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Tuesday, October 14th, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  323 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: Dirk Nowitzki, no. 12

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Todd Spehr

You see Dirk was no. 12 on SLAMonline’s Top 50?

Yeah, I saw it.

What? No good?

Him? The 12th best player on the planet!? Do I need to mention the guy is as soft as Weichkäse, he disappears in big games, and most notably, no one has suffered more postseason humiliation in recent history? That hardly screams ‘12th best player in the world’ to me.

Well, just so you know, playoff humiliation for superstars isn’t confined to Nowitzki. Hakeem Olajuwon lost six out of eight playoff series’ between the ages of 24 and 30 (’87 to ’93); Shaq has been swept six (!) times; McGrady has taken playoff impotence to new levels; VC never tasted a conference final minute; KG hardly had a glittering postseason résumé pre-2008. And was, individually, LeBron’s 2007 Finals performance any better (or worse) than Nowitzki’s of 2006?

But Dirk’s last three playoff series’ have been nothing short of horrendous: Six minutes from a 3-0 lead against Miami in ‘06 (only to lose four straight), compounded by a mixture of general fear and 38 percent field-goal shooting; being on the wrong end of the biggest upset in NBA playoff history to Golden State in 2007, with Stephen Jackson taking permanent residence in Nowitzki’s sub-conscience; and last year’s meeting with New Orleans, where a David West glove-slap to the subdued German was the only moment, other than a 4-1 Hornets win, worth noting. Sound like greatness to you?

By that rationale, if we’re judging Nowitzki by his playoff performances, why don’t you look at the prior two series’ he was in? His ’06 WCSF performance against San Antonio was arguably the most efficient by a forward in the last 20 years, not to mention he made the biggest shot of the series (in Game 7), and did it against the best defensive team of the decade. He broke open the ’06 West Finals against Phoenix with a 50-point game in Game 5. For the record, he averages 25, 11 and 3 lifetime in the playoffs, and he ups his stuff in every major category — those numbers don’t lie.

So isn’t that why we get disappointed when he plays soft? And what about his “off” season last year? Surely that effects his position on this list.

Well, had this list been taken 12 months ago, he would have been the current MVP, and his position would’ve actually been better. But while his still-gaudy numbers (23, 8 and 3) were below the standard we expect of Dirk, a closer look at his splits shows he put up 25 per alongside Kidd while shooting 50 percent from the floor, 48 percent from threes, 89 percent from the line — just look at those percentages again. And we have to put this in perspective: His team did win 51 games in a loaded West while playing for the strictest micromanager since World War II (Avery Johnson), and Nowitzki still managed to earn second-team All-NBA honors, so I bet there are plenty of guys who wish they’d had an off year like that.

Statistics, statistics, so what? He’s just another soft Maverick forward who scores a lot of points … he’s no different to Mark Aguirre or Jamal Mashburn.

You want a statistic that matters? Try this on for size: In the 10 years prior to Nowitzki, the Mavs won 30 percent of their games; in the 10 years with him they’ve won a shade under 66 percent. Isn’t that why we play? To win? And to compare Nowitzki to those guys is an insult. He’s far and away the greatest Maverick ever, Ro Blackman included. Yeah, he’s had his share of disappointment, but name a superstar who hasn’t? Too many people look at the Nowitzki based on popular misconceptions — he’s soft, he doesn’t show up in big games, he bitches out teammates — without taking into consideration the things he actually does.

How can you justify him? His legacy may be permanently tarnished, and he’ll always be held back by the aforementioned shortcomings.

If he retired today, Nowitzki would comfortably slide in historically alongside Iverson, Barkley and Karl Malone as title-less MVP’s who took their teams to the Finals for brief fleeting periods, had incredible numbers for a decade-plus, all while playing their own unique style. I’d say his legacy will be just fine.

Well, I’m still not sure he earned that MVP…does the date March 14, 2007 mean anything to ya?

It does, and it was probably one of the five best regular season games ever, but how can one game decide an award that is based on year-long performance? How easy it is to forget: Dirk Nowitzki won an MVP. They don’t give those out by accident.

So a seven-footer whose go-to move is a fadeaway isn’t soft?

Just because Nowitzki shoots his at the top of the key, does that make it any different to Olajuwon’s? Credit where credit is due. With the possible exception of Bob McAdoo, there may have never been a better jump-shooter at his height than Dirk. And for what it’s worth, there’s a distinct uniqueness to his game that makes him stand out, and love it or loathe it, for better or worse, it has made him one of the best players of the last 10 years, hands down.

Even without showing an ounce of toughness?

He came into the league a non-rebounder, and now he’s a rebounder — how many guys can you say that about? What about during his first postseason (2001) when he had his front tooth knocked out in an elimination game against the Spurs, came back, dropped 30 and led his team to victory? There’s not a number that quantifies how many times he’s rolled an ankle, left the game and managed to play again the next night. Vince Carter would be out at least two weeks. (OK, bad example.) You’re also forgetting the off-court adjustment; dude came to the US when he was 20, played as frightened as he looked, sucked it up, got better, became an All-Star, and turned into the first Euro-born MVP.

Well, I guess he wasn’t Uwe Blab.

True. And you can’t forget that he just might be the best European ever.

But at no. 12? Really?

Yes indeed.

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  • Shu

    first??

  • asdfghjkl

    小斯比德克都高?????

  • Ken

    Wow, behind Nash and DWill? I think this is a bit low. Great photo though.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    THANK GOD HE AINT HIGHER THAN PP

  • Tekno

    Nah. Manu is better…better than Melo as well.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I don’t think Dirk sucks by any means but I do think he’s a tad overrated and should be behind a few people on this list.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Excellent job, Todd. I personally don’t like Dirk or root for him or the Mavs, but he does have a uniquely effective game and his shooting percentages are very good. I don’t buy into the whole “soft” image of Dirk, but I do not think he is mentally tough or that he has the right “killer” mentality that all great ones possess. With that said, I have no problem with where he is ranked.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    TAD, does anyone personally like Dirk and the Mavs? I don’t think so.

  • Shu

    Man I still can believe everyone on this list is higher that Rashard Lewis! I mean I have 120 million reasons he should be on this list. I mean you can’t put a dude who thinks of a David Hasselhoff tune during freethrows on this list…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Shu, Rashard was on the list. He just can’t touch anybody who was ranked higher than him.

  • http://www.pablasso.com pablasso

    I could even put him in the top 10, he’s that good.

  • German Reignman

    Well placed at the 12 spot

  • Niio

    I agree with Tekno, I think Melo and Dirk should be flip flopped.

  • Shu

    @Moose, I don’t see it archived. Maybe they’ll put him in the top 10…

  • O2ArenaMvN

    Moose i root for the mavs and dirk and “personally” like him, so shove that. Rising from the second tier of GERMAN basketball to MVP is pretty special tbh.

  • FLUD

    I wish he’d either pull his socks all the way up or leave ‘em down.

  • FLUD

    Also…one of the best writes so far. Solid s***

  • http://another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    sure, another dissing of VC, the least injured Net in the last 4 years.

  • Bruno

    WHY NOT?
    i hate to see a millionaire, 7 foot guy who can shoot, but can’t win anything cause is a CHOKER!
    but, why not???
    forget the guys between 14 and… i don’t know…25…
    they are all, or most of them are, better than Nowitzki, but man, if Carmelo is considered #13, i have no problem with little-Dirk at #12.
    maybe you guys wanna throw a Jose Calderon between top10. it would look good on this list.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Money Bill Williams

    todd is quickly becoming one of my favourite writers on this site. I hate Dirk but the article made the rank make sense

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Bruno: stop man. Dirk is better than all those dudes. Seriously, Dirk gets wait too much hate. He kills most 4′s in the game today. The only one’s he don’t are ranked ahead of him. I would take Dirk on my team 8 days a week.
    I can’t believe i’m defending this dude, but i am.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    FLUD, tell that to Pete Maravich. Money Bill, I agree.

  • adams

    The only players better and more important to their team are LeBron, Kobe, Duncan and Paul. I see Garnett, Deron and Nash pretty much on the same level as Dirk, but I know hating on a foreigner is too much fun for Americans. Amare and Dwight are not on Dirk’s level yet, but they’re more popular.

  • andrew

    Moose – I bought a dirk jersey a few years ago in a Reebok factory outlet outside of LA. I’m not sure if this makes me like Dirk, or it was an ironic purchase. Needless to say, I only ever wear it on really really hot days and no one’s around.

  • Shu

    I hate Steve Nash cuz he’s a foreigner…

  • Shu

    lol@andrew…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Shu, come on, man. Save the racial stuff for outside of SLAM, aight?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    This dude is very convincing. I mean very. Damn this seems like a just ranking but it feels so wrong on so many levels. hmm.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Money Bill Williams

    agree DP

  • jay

    dirk is the single most difficult player to cover in the league…yes that includes kobe.

  • Bruno

    he kills most 4′s in the game today, but when you need him, he is gonna go hide behind someone, so, why do you need him????don’t get me wrong, those stats are great… but stats are one aspect of the game, the other one is how the game is actually played and i rather have a guy who is gonna score when i need than one thats gonna score a lot in the 1st half.
    of course Dirk is a good player. any 7 footer with a jump would be, but as a fan i don’t like to watch his game, and if i were a gm, i would never trust my franchise to him, and we are discussing franchise player level here. which Manu, for example, could be. actually, if you pay attention to the GAME, you’ll note that, even coming from the bench and in team with TEAM Duncan, probably the best PF in the history and TP, a very good guard and Finals MVP, in the last seconds… you know who gets the ball for the spurs, right??
    people love to hate Manu, but show me a player with his titles… with his guts…
    i would NEVER HAVE A GUTLESS player, like dirk or melo, before AI OR MANU, for example.
    but thats just my standard, on my list.
    that been said, i cannot see any standard that pts BDavis, Arenas or Melo before AI. If you ask those guys, hey know AI is better and had a better career.
    when they are all done, you’ll see that none of these guys came close to THE ANSWER.

  • Terrell

    Greatest Maverick ever?..what about Fat Lever or James Donaldson, Dereck Harper, Mark Agguire, and cant forget about Roy Tarpley…..

  • http://slamonline My opinion matters

    Bravo on the article…nuff said…and no way is Melo better then Dirk…I was a big Dirk fan because I liked the uniqueness of his game and I let the golden state upset slide but after that chin tap by David West I’m on the fence but I will never deny his talent

  • Terrell

    I dont have a huge problem wit this ranking even though Dirk is the Most mentally weak ‘superstar’ in the league but where is Pierce gnna land Top Ten? This time last year PP was in VC territory….c what gettin hall of famers on ur team can do for you?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Khalid will not like this…..

  • peteb80

    Btw, Caron Butler thinks Dirk is top 5 in the league. But he may have said that because he’s in Germany right now. I agree with Caron Butler.

  • Nadia Christos

    Second biggest mistake on our list to this moment after the Kidd joke…at least he wasn’t ranked behind A.I.!!(don’t laugh,it could have happened. it would have been a given if the list was made by the people on this forum…)I wonder how many NBA GM’s would pick Pierce or Nash over him right now…of course they would have picked Howard and that is also sad (Dwight will achieve the game knowledge of Dirk after 50 years playing and a brain transplant). Anyway, it could have been much worse….

  • arthur

    convincing

  • Nadia Christos

    @Terrell…:my friend do you know who is James Donaldson? Have you ever seen him play..??Comparing him to Dirk is one of the most “funny” things i’ve read on this forum (and i have read some really “funny” ones….)

  • andrew

    Nadia – I think that’s what we in the Western world call an attempt at ‘humour’ (or ‘humor’ in the de-anglicised nations). Did you not note the inclusion of Tarpley?

  • scott

    This is the right spot for Nowitzki. Dirk was starting to look like his oldself (pre 2006 NBA Finlas) after they traded for Kidd. Kidd has now had enough time to jell with the rest of his teammates. Too bad Dallas doesn’t have what it takes to get past the first round of the playoffs for the third straight year.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Really well written Todd. The photo attached is fantastic. You made some compelling arguments for him but this ranking is not accurate though. He is not above the last couple of guys on this list and unless he breaks out this season…….well……that’s not happening, so it doesn’t apply.

  • scott

    @Eboy…You wouldn’t take Nowitzki over Anthony if building a team?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Not today, Scott. 3 seasons ago I would have.

  • josesito

    i had a puppy once

  • rikson

    3 seasons ago dirk had no postgame -> hes better now….

  • http://slamonline.com whitechocolate

    too low

  • Nadia Christos

    @peteb80..:i don’t know if Caron said something like this but it wouldn’t be strange coming from a guy like him..Dirk is definitely top – 5 in the world and he has been at this level for the last 4 years…. a top-10 euro player of all time along with:Drazen,Kukoc,Sabonis,Galis,Cosic,Belov,Meneghin,Korac,Dalipagic.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Three seasons ago, Dirk led his team to the Finals.

  • Nadia Christos

    @andrew…:I had the honor to see live Mr Donaldson play and trust me this is black humour…At the same time i can asure you that from what i saw of Tarpley playing his first two years in Greece, the guy had the talent to be a taller version of C.Webber…(i haven’t seen more than 10 big men at the last 25 years with his set of skills)

  • fluxland

    Balki.. where is Bodiroga?

  • http://ngunioamosotho.com Nguni

    @TADOne 8:11am : u took the words out of my mouth. much respect.

  • Nadia Christos

    @flu…:no Bodiroga if we talk all-time…top-10 easily if we talk last 20 years…

  • jk_light

    Great write-up. I wondered who would write it and how but this was one of the best.
    I really wanted to write an own article for Dirk by the time his ranking comes up with lots of comparisons, examples and statistics, but time was not with me so I just put in my 2 or 3 cents.
    I understand some of the negative things that are said about Dirk.
    A) Can look awkward on the court sometimes.
    B) He came up short (choked) on several occasions,
    C) is not the toughest player physically and
    D) not a defensive stopper by any means and
    But…
    A) This shouldn’t count into the ability to play ball. He is a tall, blonde German Dude, so what.
    B) As he came up short (choked???) especially since game 6 of the Finals in 2006, I can remember more game-tying or winning shots from Dirk in his career than from 95% of the league. He had at least 5 to 10 for the German national team (took this team on his back the last 10 years) and as you talk about the best players in the world, the international competition should count as well but not as much as strictly NBA games.
    He was way closer to win the NBA Finals than most other non-ring-winning superstars. They came so close to winning Game 3, He had the Go-Ahead basket with a ridiculous shot over Shaq in Game 5 with 30-something seconds left and they lost Game 6 by 3 points. So one bounce of the ball in a different way and he most definitly would have one a title.
    As for the GoldenState Series I can’t say anything goog about his performance other than he wasn’t the only one really really bad (A.J./Howard/Terry), played against a coach that knew his game the best and if you get so much hate for numbers of 20pts, 11rb, 2ass, 1,8 stl, 1,2blk, you should normally be really, really good.
    As for 2008, Dude averaged 27,12 and 4. He should have responded in some way against David West and while not gave people more reason to hate, but he averaged 27,12 and 4. Shows us he can play some ball
    C) Dirk is not a guy that can mix it up underneath or that bullies over smaller players, but I don’t know a lot of guys that get defended as physically as Dirk gets defended. Just look at the 06 Finals with Posey and Haslem or the international tournaments. Dirk gets grabbed and hacked of the ball more than 98% of the players in my opinion. He always battles through that, battles through injuries more than most and is a guy who averaged nearly 9 free-throws and 11 Rebounds in 87 Play-Off Games.
    He doesn’t have a tough playing style, but he plays tough if you understand what I mean.
    D) This can be held against him as it can be held against guys like Melo, Nash, etc. But he got a lot better in this department and what if he would be a great defender with a tough Low-Post game and cojones like Kobe. Than we would look at one of the 10 best players ever to play the game.
    Finally, The ranking is okay for me, even though I would have put him 3 or 4 spots lower, around 8 or 9.

  • Nadia Christos

    And PLEASE somebody else call me at least once Balki on this forum…it costs almost nothing and it will make a little kid feel great (something like UNISEF in a way!!!)

  • scott

    What’s up Balki.

  • fluxland

    Ok.. where is Volnov? Bodiroga would have owned the NBA.. effin guy.. should have came over. No way Dirk is top 10 all time.. f that.

  • scott

    Dirk Nowitzki = Hall of Fame.

  • andrew

    Hahahahah @ balki comment. Nice.

  • Nadia Christos

    thanks scott.. (good karma coming your way through DHL!!!)

  • rikson

    @Eboy – right… still dirk added lot of lowpost-moves to his repertoire over the last couple of years.

  • a_whiteman

    thank you jk_light someone else who can actually appreciate a great player!!!! i personally had him at 9 but i dotn work for slam so that doesnt really matter. the guy simply year in year out is one of the top 5 pfs in the league, his playoff numbers for the career (25 11 and 3) are astronomical and among the best ever, yet still no love. people worship guys like carmelo and t mac and those fools havent even played a single game in may come on, just give the man his love he has already accomplished more then 90% of this list DIRK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • a_whiteman

    @scott…your right dirk will be in the hall, oh ya and hes not 30 yet if i remember correctly

  • Terrell

    @Nadia….yes ive seen James Donaldson play thats why i mentioned him….it was a joke….like Roy Tarpley was a joke….Dirk is the ARod of basketball al jokes aside though.

  • fluxland

    Balki..I can’t wrap my head around you putting Dirk in the the top 10 and not the “White Magic”. That makes no sense. Whatever, I’m sure you have your own criteria.. either way, Dirk in there is completely insane, IMO.

  • Nadia Christos

    and if you ever saw Bodiroga play you should new that he would have owned the NBA the same way Jasikevicious did…they have the same kind of limitations (physical)

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    fluxland, who is white magic?

  • scott

    @Balki…I never saw Bodiroga play. Explain if you care to Balki.

  • scott

    @Moose….Ricky Rubio is.

  • Nadia Christos

    also i have to say that i hate Bodiroga for repeatedly f…g my beloved Olympiacos and for not seeing him dunking the ball his whole career. He wasn’t much of a shooter either…but he was really intelligent,a great scorer and a real leader.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    he ain’t sucks, just a lil’ bit soft…and he’s a mavs. Er ist ein Toll basketball spieler.

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    Whoah Whoah Whoah!He’s good yeah, but he does not belong in same sentence as Iverson, Barkley and Malone…he just doesn’t! It was a good article, though i do have beef with this, alot of what you said about his playoff success was over two years ago, shouldn’t we really be asking what has he done for me lately? Because if not, Iverson would be alot higher?

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    O and where is Allan Houston on this list?

  • Nadia Christos

    @scott: is that enough for you?I could write a page about this b…..d (great player though)

  • fluxland

    We’ll have to agree to disagree.. many factors are involved. Staring with the difference of 4 inches in height.. and it JasikevicIUS.. btw.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    Allan will be rank alone with Rashard Lewis…

  • fluxland

    Balki…AAAH!!! So that’s why the hate! Thanks for clearing that up. White Magic is the effin man.. that’s all I got to say.

  • jk_light

    @overtime
    if we would count past accomplishments, he would be top 5 for me right now.
    What has Iverson done that Dirk didn’t. Yes, A.I. was a great player and still is, but besides this one finals appearance, I can’t remember Iverson’s teams having much success in the East.

  • fluxland

    Oh and btw I wonder how many know Galis is American.. wonder how he would have done in the NBA. And did you know (obscure fact) Drazen and Bodi are related?

  • Nadia Christos

    Ok, so you haven’t seen him play… Let’s just say that he was taller than Saras (+) but slower than him (-). Trust me ,the guy would have been the slowest guard to play in the NBA in the last 20 years (and i don’t thing his height advantage would have compensated for this)

  • Nadia Christos

    no i didn’t know…Galis would have been an All-Star i remember him doing things at mid-80′s that would have been impressive even today(ok, this is even more biased than the Bodiroga comments!!!!)

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    Soft as weichkaese hmm Todd? Yeah, like the guy who regularly comes back from the worst type of ankle sprains (high ankle sprains) to lead his sputtering team into the playoffs. the guy who IS german national Basketball, god knows they’d be nowhere without him (Beijings puzzling performances notwithstanding). Wo hast du denn diesen Unsinn her? An Nba MVP not quite 2 seasons ago and now he is only barely above Melo numbnuts in this “ranking”?? Utter nonsense! Soft my butt.

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    @jk-they are similar in what they achieved, but if you look closer, The Sixers were never even supposed to win a game against the Lakers, whereas it was the opposite for Dallas, who were on the bad end of the biggest finals comeback ever. Also, in terms of talent, you know those sixers were nowhere near the 06 Mavs

  • fluxland

    No.. probably not a many time as yourself. (a few times in Trieste before I moved) I still think he would have been more successful then Jasikevicius in the NBA. You have your opinon.. I have mine. I guess we’ll never know.

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    i don’t care what you say Ryne, this list of yours (you too Lang, Russ etc) is quite the travesty. Shame really

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    Also, just a side note, by my count so far in these rankings seven teams haven’t been represented (so far)including the Cavs, Bulls, Knicks, Grizzlies, Pacers, Bobcats and Magic…Anyone wanna take a guess who will still be left on that list by the end?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Please hurry NBA season, so that I don’t have to hear the complaining about this list anymore.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    OT: Knicks, Bulls, Griz, Pacers, Bobcats. You’re welcome.

  • fluxland

    Steph will be top 10.. c’mon it’s SLAM!!

  • Nadia Christos

    You change your stanse and know it is more rational: Indeed Bodiroga would propably have been a little more succesful than Saras but by doing this wouldn’t have “owned” the NBA (or even be an All – Star that ,something that Dirk achieved regularly). You see, we finally agree!!! (On a side note, except his first few years at Stefanel Trieste , Bodiroga ALWAYS played with great players around him…now,if Dirk had that luxury with Germany…)

  • jk_light

    @overtime
    sure this Mavs Team in 06 was the favorite against the Heat, but also mostly due to them beating the Spurs and Suns with two great series from Dirk. Iverson played great as I said, but he had to go through Toronto and Milwaukee to get to the finals. Not exactly the hardest road ever. But this should not count against AI, just for Dirk

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    I do agree, Dirk was great in those playoffs, what i got beef with is it being used as an arguement in the article, simply because its based on 2day. If not, they would probably both be top 10

  • jk_light

    the second best player on Germany’s National Team the past 10 years (Kaman not counting) would probably not make the 12 man roster of Bodiroga’s stacked Yugoslavian Teams.

  • fluxland

    OK fine.. he would have been more successful meaning he would have owned!! hahaha.. how do you like that? Plus, was Saras really in an ideal situation with the Pacers? I don’t think so. We will never agree Balki! I will die before that happens! NEVER!! :P Yeah, but he did well in Trieste as soon as he got there. Dirks Euro record alone excludes him from that top 10 IMO. But you hate White Magic so we now know why he’s not in there. HATER!! :P

  • Bo Diddly

    Good write up Todd. I like the ones where the writer actually says something relevant to his ranking and addresses the hate directly with evidence!! I’m now convinced Dirk is the 12th best player in the world. Well…

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Wait, you’re telling me a top NBA player wouldn’t make the Yugoslavian team??
    This HAS to be sarcasm.

  • Thomas

    Fantastic article, however, I believe that #12 is a bit low for him… And for all the people who keep on bashing Dirk in the comments please re-read the article (or for those who went straight to the comments to hate on him without ever reading the article simply READ and be impressed with what Dirk has accomplished and how unique a player he is)

  • airs

    was danny grainger on this list anywhere?

  • Nadia Christos

    @jk_…:exactly (we ain’t even sure who the second best player is the last 10 years…maybe Ademola, i hope not that Patrick Femerling stiff)

  • fluxland

    jk.. i concur! Well, it is debatable but just to annoy Balki.. I concur.

  • Nadia Christos

    @TADOne…: you also come from Romania, don’t you ??!! Frate!!

  • Nadia Christos

    @flu…:now you’ve really pissed me off!!!(hope i wrote it correct…)

  • airs

    tell me that guy on the 3BA ad doesn’t look like ashy larry.

  • fluxland

    I’m just messing with you Romanian Batman!

  • jk_light

    @TAD
    I meant, Kaman would probably be the only one.
    @Nadia
    Ademola was that guy for sure and the only one that could play successfully on good European Clubs, but besides him, there are guys like Femerling, Hamann, Greene, etc. They played their role and did well with their limitations, but no one on these teams could probably play for Spain and Greece today either. Still, Dirk got his Team to a second place in Europe in 2005, a third place in the worlds and Europe in 2002 and 2003 and a fifth in the Euros in 2007?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    What’s a Romania?

  • MSkittle

    Damn! No need to go so crazy defending him! 12 is a great spot for him.

  • Nadia Christos

    @TADOne…:its the daughter of Rome. (Rome:capital of Italy, a country located in southern Europe. Now Europe is….)

  • rw

    f’ing americans this is way too low

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Yao>Dirk

  • http://another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    Terrell: you mentioned Roy Tarpley and Derek Harper as one of the best Mavericks ever? That’s hilarious. They were good, but if you had to build a team, you would rather start with Harper or Tarp rather than Dirk? That’s insane man.

  • Nadia Christos

    @jk_…:you were clear my friend ,its just that TAD is also from Romania so he has my limitations on language comprehesion..you forgot my favorite Michael Koch (but you are right since he didn’t play with Dirk)

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Rolando Blackman>>Any maverick ever.

  • fluxland

    What about Shawn Bradley? He’s German. Him and Dirk balled. (hehehe)

  • Nadia Christos

    and since this will propably be the last time Michael Koch’s name is mentioned on this forum , i have to tell you that when both he and Amaechi were playing for Panathinaikos(together with Bodiroga) John was in love with him and was constantly making “proposals”. Koch used to complain to the team president for this matter…!!!

  • fatlever_is_underrated

    Todd is my best friend……seriously

  • niQ

    where’s my man jose calderon?

  • jk_light

    @Nadia
    a shooter and defender like Mike Koch would have been great on a (national)team with Dirk . He could shoot with the best of them. Like a smaller J.R.Redick with good defense.

  • Nadia Christos

    @niQ…:he is on the “top-30 players in the world” list ,that i will post one of the following days….

  • jk_light

    funny info about Amaechi and Koch. But Koch was not exactly a pretty dude as far as I can say that as a hetero.

  • fluxland

    If I see Jose Kakadon on this list.. that will be it.

  • Nadia Christos

    Koch was one of the best shooting guards in Europe before 10 years. Way better than Redick (basically cause he was a really good defender as you said)

  • scott

    @flux…we all know you love Calderon.

  • fluxland

    Jose is the definition of overrated.

  • jk_light

    Guys I most want to win a title just to stop the hating:
    Dirk
    Kobe (I know he has 3 of them)
    Nash
    AI

  • Nadia Christos

    @jk_….:Amaechi had “inside info” on Koch’s beauty!!!
    @flu…:get ready to see players that most people here will have to google…(Siskauskas anyone???)

  • Nadia Christos

    @jk…: A.I is that terrible that if he was at Beijing, U.S wouldn’t even be at the final.

  • Nadia Christos

    by the way: A.I ain’t even top-60 worldwide. I got him between 80 and 100.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    I didn’t read the comments for obvious reasons,but this is a good place for Dirk.

  • jk_light

    @nadia
    I don’t think he is internationally as bas as you make him and even though I like players like Kidd and Nash in the NBA way better, it sometimes was jaw-dropping and a pleasure to watch how he could score the basketball.

  • jk_light

    He=AI

  • Nadia Christos

    It is also a pleasure to watch James “flight” White to score the basketball, but that doesn’t mean that i will consider him as a good player. Although i would propably take A.I over White…(ok, i would definitelly do this, just wanted to annoy all those “video-game” kids here )

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Dirk should never be compared to Olajuwon.

  • Froggiestyle

    für unseren Freund ist dieses eine ausgezeichnete Nummer

  • Nadia Christos

    @jk_…:don’t worry i got it(not all Romanians are like TADOne!!!)

  • fluxland

    Why can’t everyone get along and learn from each other. The constant Euro-American hate/bashing baffles me to no end. So many closet bigots it’s not even funny. Ruins this site to the max.. makes me not want to come here. If you have nothing positive to contribute resist the urge to type, you fool!

  • Froggiestyle

    dey jes jealous flux (and thin skinned so watch the flukout :D )

  • Nadia Christos

    i am smoking the “pipe of peace” for an hour just for the sake of continuing having my friend “flu” on this forum…

  • fluxland

    Froggie – dies gilt. Very thin skinned.

  • big nigga

    dirk is super overrated
    he crumbles under pressure (game 3 of 06 nba finals, game 6 vs. warriors)
    he doesn’t rebound or play d
    also, he’s a bitch 2 (david west, last yr.’s playoffs)

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Forget the Euro’s, I thought the Aussies were taking over? I hate them.

  • fluxland

    *remembers TADs racist insinuation/proceeds with day*

  • http://www.slamonline.com Khalid Salaam

    YEAH RIGHT (sidebar: putting dirk in any category that includes Barkley, Iverson and Karl Malone is indisputably ‘effin nuts)

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Yao and Iverson should both be above him, i am fine with all the other people below him though (even though i hate dirk, he is great for 98% of the game, just that last 2% he plays like a pu$$y)

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Dirk is top ten. Nice article.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Khalid Salaam

    Dirk is top ten only if the other ten played for the yemen national team.

  • Terrell

    Nadia or whatever ur name is….your an idiot….atleast basketball wise…..AI 80-100 wordwide?….if u dont care for the guy fine but what do u have to back this up?….Is it the 4 scoring titles? the MVP? the fact that he was 3rd in the league in scoring last year or has the 3rd highest scoring average in the HISTORY of basketball? How is the guy awful? Thas plain stupid.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I liked Khalid so much better when he just said “f*ck Dirk”. But that line was funny.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Khalid; My top 10 (11): LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, CP3, Pierce, KG, Manu, Amare, Dirk, DWill/Nash.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    *Feel free to disagree (I know you will).

  • http://www.slamonline.com Khalid Salaam

    You’re forgetting Wade. and Deron. and Dwight. I don’t want to get into this big hatin Dirk thing, i feel like i’m known on the site as being against him. Its not personal 1st off and 2nd i think he’s a good player. But if he’s your number 1 option then you got problems.

  • fluxland

    Being that option also gives him those great numbers and they lie. They SO lie! Also, what BET said applies to so many players – Kakadon being one of them. Bring back TJ!!

  • mavs thru thick and thin

    Dirk…the reason i started watching the nba! he is the man.
    yes he has had some disapointing showings in the playoffs, but what great hasn’t?
    but like the article said, look at life time stats, and the haters have to show some love.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I told ya’ll Khalid wouldn’t like this. ;)

  • Nadia Christos

    @Khalid….:Dirk is top-10 for anybody who has played fundamentally sound (organized)basketball for more than 2 years…like Caron for example. Of course you would propably take my favorite A.I over him so that clears up everything…

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Khalid; Yeah ur right about Wade forgot about him. Just made the list up. Just slot him in right in front of Pierce. Deron is 10/11 tied with Nash. Howitzer would be outside my top 10 for his lack of moves on O.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Nadia says: “Dirk is top-10 for anybody who has played fundamentally sound (organized)basketball for more than 2 years” I think you forget to mention “in Europe”.

  • Nadia Christos

    @Eboy….:i hope that Europe is not the only place where “fundamentally sound” basketball is played…although the waste of superb athletic talent we have observed in the U.S the last 15 years propably makes you correct…oh,no,wait,you are wrong..!!Argentina and Australia are doing just fine and they are not in Europe!!!

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    If Dirk wins a playoff series this year I’ll stop doggin’ him and making out with his girlfriend. Promise.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Well Dirk is from Europe, so that’s what I was going for. And there are about 20 guys in the rudderless, shiftless, no fundamental NBA then I would take over Mr. Nowinski(no typo)but this isn’t my list.

  • Nadia Christos

    @Terrell….:i have him now at no92, just one spot above J.R.Holden and 46 spots behind Matias Smodic…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *that i would take

  • Nadia Christos

    @Eboy….:i hope A.I is one of them.

  • Nadia Christos

    @Eboy…: and i had something to say on your 1:25 comment but i am afraid we are going to lose “flu” if i do so!!!

  • jk_light

    As a number one option, Dirk took his Team to the finals, he won 67 games with his team, he took the German National Team as far as anyone could have.
    How many players got their team as a numper one option to the Finals since 2000:
    Shaq
    Iverson
    Duncan
    Kidd
    Billups
    James
    Bryant
    Pierce/Garnett
    Wade
    I think that is good company

  • Kieran

    where do you even begin to take apart this write up?? Firstly despite being swept in the playoffs Hakeem, Shaq and KG all led a team to a chip. to suggest that the dallas win % is because of Dirk is also ridiculous maybe more to do with Cubans cash and playing with players like Nash, Finley,terry, Howard etc. Historically beside Barkley malone and Iverson?! Seriously? No way! Olajuwan is one of the leading shot blockers of all time so obv isnt soft for having a fadeaway unlike Dirk. Man you guys could of atleast tried to justify this stupid placement

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    7 of those 10 actually won the title.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    @Nadia: Yeah, Kobe, LeBron, CP3, Deron, KG, etc. are just a bunch of untrained athletic wastes. Imagine if they could like, make bounce passes and shot free throws! I bet they’d even have a shot at a gold medal if they could do that. To bad they just watch and 1 mixtapes all day. I guess everybody wants to be Hot Sauce(sigh).

  • fluxland

    It’s Matjaz Balki. Darn it spell their names right.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    ******shakes head****************
    ******rolls eys***********

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    @nadia, your an idiot.
    @Terrell, i definitly agree with you, but A.I has the third highest scoring average in NBA history, not the history of basketball, just to clarify

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Jesus Wept….

  • Kieran

    does anyone get the feeling there may be a suprise at number 1?

  • http://deceptivelyquick.blogspot.com JackBrown

    Thank you Todd.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Paul Pierce is #1.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’m holding out hope it’s Ricky Rubio.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    #1 of what?

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Rafer Alston has to be next. Right?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Kobe may be number 1 on this list,but overall in the world he’s around #1,283 just ahead of Gorav Steninhaav from a place called ‘International’.Which is a disgrance.Gorav should be waaay higher.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    *disgrace.

  • fluxland

    Actually I think he’s ranked 1285th behind Philip Champion. Yo, Balki did Pierluigi and Stojko make the list is what I want to know.

  • fluxland

    Number one on this list is Vin Baker.

  • http://phoenixsunsrising.blogspot.com/ Hersey

    This is too low for Dirk.

  • tealish

    This one is wrong; he is top 10 period.

  • http://dyalekt.com d.Y.

    He still coulda been top ten.

  • http://yahoo daanswer

    Dirk is NOT better than Allen Iverson……

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    ….in 1996.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    best photo ever

  • scott

    Ricky Rubio will be #1 in 2012.

  • scott

    Seriously what is the rest of the list gonna look like?
    1. Kobe Bryant
    2. LeBron James
    3. Kevin Garnett
    4. Chris Paul
    5. Tim Duncan
    6. Dwyane Wade
    7. Steve Nash
    8. Dwight Howard
    9. Paul Pierce
    10. Deron Williams
    11. Amare Stoudemire

  • Nadia Christos

    @jk….:by now you have propably understood the deep bball knowledge that most of our friends here possess…we are talking about people using career averages of players still near their prime as proof…
    @ overtime….:who is number 3 scorer in the history of basketball…????!!!!man ,you must be a genious… (keep on the good work pal..).
    Also, since somebody is paying me money for this list, i cannot give you more details on people ranked too low. Of course i can give you the top-30 .If you don’t understand how can this be possible you can ask my secretary on this forum. Yeah, the one that is correcting my typos..(thanks flux..!!!)

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’m gonna be mad at Dwight’s ranking… yeah he’s a beast but he’s just not that good at basketball. You would think that an elite center would have a post move or three.

  • Nadia Christos

    @Z…:Dwight is abeast but “NOT GOOD AT BASKETBALL!!!”??.A post move or three??? The guy can dunk while wearing a superman uniform!!! Watch out your words pal,..you are gonna be accused of actually having a clue on this game…

  • scott

    Hold on messed up my list.
    1. Kobe Bryant
    2. LeBron James
    3. Kevin Garnett
    4. Chris Paul
    5. Tim Duncan
    6. Dwyane Wade
    7. Steve Nash
    8. Paul Pierce
    9. Dwight Howard
    10. Deron Williams
    11. Amare Stoudemire
    Much better.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Dwight got exposed in Beijing. Seriously Scoot… STAT and DWill behing dwight?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Scott*

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    I would think Wade’s Beijing performance would make him top 5 on this list

  • Nadia Christos

    exaxctly Z, although i generally agree with Scott’s ranking (except Dwight). On a side note,check Josh Childress first dunk on the greek league:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoUx5HuFZdM
    not bad….

  • scott

    @Rv…I agree but I can’t seem to justify putting Wade ahead of Bryant, James, Garnett, Paul and Duncan.

  • Nadia Christos

    @RV….:it should and maybe it will..(he will have to fight Duncan for the honor)

  • John D

    I can’t believe you guys had Dirk at No. 4 on the list in 2006.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    just a hint but not only was the order established before beijing but olympic performance has little to no bearing on nba performance and this is an nba list ok

  • scott

    @Russ…So Wade is coming up real soon.

  • Nadia Christos

    @Russ….:the WORLD list is coming soon!!!(well, at least a part of it…)
    @scott ….:Wade will be top-4 next year if he doesn’t get injured (a big “if”)

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Nadia please tell me you are not making a world list?

  • Nadia Christos

    check my 2:26 comment.

  • davidR

    great article. but i’m curious to see who’s ahead of dirk because i honestly think he’s top 10 right now. he’s such a dynamic player, and it’s unfair to label him soft. he’s not as outspoken as other PFs, but he quietly kills other teams. he’s a beast throughout the season and his numbers across the board are pretty damn good. should be top 10

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Nadia, dont waste your time. I will read it and appreciate it for whatever it will be, but you will get yelled at by one of SLAMONLINE’s other naascristic commentors.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Narcism rules.

  • http://slamonline.com Khalid Salaam

    Dirk + 2008-2009 Mavs= no playoffs (i’m here all day)

  • Nadia Christos

    naascristic? (no irony here, tell me what that means)

  • Nadia Christos

    i agree TAD.(and BET, if that’s what you were talking about…)

  • http://slamonline.com Khalid Salaam

    Best maverick? Dirk or McCain? (or Palin?…) ——Also. davidR is actually masquerading as Dirk. Or is his lover. Either way it’s pretty fraudulent to come on this site like its all good.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Best Mav ever is Rolando Blackmen or whatever that guy’s name was

  • Nadia Christos

    don’t worry David…Khalid would have also mentioned Starbury,Telfair,”Skip” and the whole AND-1 crew if he wasn’t afraid of the consequences…

  • Nadia Christos

    Ronaldo himself said that Dirk is easily the best Maverick of all-time.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    The thing with Dirk is that the stats fail me. I see the numbers and I respect them. Then I see him, the demeanor, the insecurities, the shrinking in big moments… and I can’t help but doubt the stats.
    Is it possible to be the least beastly 25-10 guy with 50-40-90 %’s and suck as the main guy (Dirk would be a deadly partner in crime to an alpha dog) at the same time ? Maybe.

  • http://slamonline.com Khalid Salaam

    thanks nadia. tell bela karolyi i said hi.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    And you can see it in the way his opponents perceive him… No way that DWest taps KG’s, TD’s or STAT’s cheek. No way, end of. Hell, he wouldn’t even tap Nash’s or Deron’s cheek.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    That’s because white German’s aren’t scary since Hitler lost power.

  • scott

    Nowitzki + Kidd + Howard = Dallas in playoffs 08-09 but probably a first round exit.

  • MeloMan13

    Not better than Melo Bosh AI Baron etc.

  • Nadia Christos

    well,i can see them not even making the playoffs easily…

  • Nadia Christos

    @MeloMan…:you forgot Starbury and Telfair!!

  • Nadia Christos

    @Melo…:sorry,i didn’t notice the “etc”..

  • scott

    @Balki…Dallas isn’t that bad. Utah, LA Lakers, Houston and San Antonio (maybe Phoenix) are the only teams better then Dallas out West. They aren’t a powerhouse anymore but they aren’t bottom feeders.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Whats up everyone???

  • scott

    @James…Balki is developing a top 30 in the world list.

  • K.I.N.G.

    “And was, individually, LeBron’s 2007 Finals performance any better (or worse) than Nowitzki’s of 2006?” But Dirk had a better team… LeBron was by his lonesome. And u have Dirk better than Melo? Naw!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    TAD; Considering your 4:13 comment it seems you’re not familiar with the name Armin Meiwes.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Nope. I failed History.

  • Nadia Christos

    i can see New Orleans and Portland over them for sure, and then they are propably in (i wouldn’t write off the Clippers… if Baron holds up..)

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ok LZ, that dude was demented. I need to go home now.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Fair enough. That wasn’t an option for me. Anyways google Armin for a quick History lesson – he’s one post-Hitler scary German white guy.

  • Caleb

    This was one of the best write-ups… good stuff. I don’t like Dirk and I definitely don’t like the Mavs… but I’m not really a fan of Dirk-bashing either. I would love to see all of the people who love throwing around the word “soft” to try and play 40 minutes at power forward in the NBA.. that would be hilarious.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Demented for sure TAD. Peace out!

  • jk_light

    The funny thing in the West is, Kobe, Duncan and Ginobili, Paul, Deron, Nash and Stat or Dirk, T-Mac and Yao or Carmelo and AI, 4 out of these 8 players/tandems will be out after the first round. And I`m not even counting a “surprise” by Portland, than it would be 5

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Kobe wont be out … how is everyone tonight? What to to say about this post … would ayone ehre take DIRK over Iverson, or Boozer, or Melo??????

  • Nadia Christos

    Houston,Spurs,Jazz and Lakers (if Manu is ok and Houston doesn’t blow up)

  • jk_light

    And of the 8 teams (Lakers, Hornets, Spurs, Mavs, Rockets, Suns, Jazz and Nuggets, either their number one option is listed above Dirk or their second option is way better than Dirk`s second option.

  • Quail

    melo is better than dirk and dirk is better than manu.

  • Caleb

    Houston, Hornets, Jazz and Lakers.

    Fixed that for you…

  • jk_light

    So if Dallas should miss the PlayOffs, which I don`t think, Dirk can still be a great player. Someone has to miss out. That doesn`t necessarly mean they suck.

  • Nadia Christos

    @James….:NBA live or NBA 2K9…?

  • jk_light

    @Caleb
    Then after the logic of some here, Duncan, Ginobili, Stat and Nash, Melo and Iverson, Dirk and Roy and B-Diddy will all suck if they are out after the first round

  • Nadia Christos

    dear Caleb, if Manu wasn’t injured the Spurs would have been champions once more…(easily..)

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    Dirk is soft, but he has enough skills to deserve this ranking.

  • kostas

    much too low. dirk is easily in the top 8

  • Nadia Christos

    @Quail…:Dirk is equal to Manu and both of them should be insulted to be compared with Melo.By the way : Melo ain’t top-30 worldwide.

  • scott

    Armin is one sick dude.

  • Caleb

    @jk… right, and that’s flawed logic.

    @Nadia… maybe, maybe not. But in fact it’s probably safer to bet on the Spurs making it past the first (as usual) than the Rockets… even with Artest

    So – Spurs, Hornets, Jazz, Lakers. Just like last year.

  • Nadia Christos

    @kostas…:pes ta re alani!!!

  • Nadia Christos

    i agree that these four teams are the safest pick.

  • Caleb

    It will never happen – but I would totally support a scrapping of the current conference based playoff system and changing it to the six divisional winners plus the other 10 teams with the best records regardless of conference.

  • scott

    There is no way the LA Clippers are making the playoffs. Davis, Camby and Kaman all have nice histories of being injured. Plus this is the LA Clippers nothing EVER goes their way.

  • scott

    I don’t think San Antonio is going to be a top four seed out West this year. Manu is going to miss too much time. They would be one team you wouldn’t want to play in the first round if Manu gets healthy.

  • Nadia Christos

    @scott…:i agree but it seems to me very interesting to see who is going to score against a Caman-Camby combo. Anyway,Dallas propably will make it, i think Dirk is too good by himself to lose the party…at the same time this once happened to the great Hakeem(top-10 all-time) so it won’t be held against him(don’t worry jk_…).

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    anthony freaking peeler popped kg and chris childs gave kobe a two piece and melo slapped mardy collins then ran away but dirk is a b!tch like no other right i get it

  • scott

    Deep burn.

  • Nadia Christos

    @Russ…:peeler,childs,collins…those guys ain’t sportscenter material,most guys don’t even know they are bball players,what were you thinking..??!! (i still remember Zo’s block on Peeler though..)

  • fluxland

    kg ran away from zaza and STAT.. thats triple bitch.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    You know what, Russ… You’re right. I totally double-standard’d (yes I’m making up verbs) Dirk on this one. I’m letting my profound dislike for the man cloud my assessment of his manhood. (no amaechi)

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    that wasn’t even sarcastic.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Anthony Peeler>>>>>>>>>>>

  • Nadia Christos

    Breaking news!!! Panagiotis Aggelopoulos is about to make a 60$ million offer next summer to Kobe. (3 years ,180!!!). Let’s see…

  • speedy

    This was a very nice read .
    I will always have respect for him and his accomplishments.

  • Stephanie

    Khalid is a coward. I’ve never read so much ignorance over the internet. Dirk will accomplish more than you ever will in your sad lil ignorance filled life, Khalid. So stick that up your hater pipe and smoke it, chump.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Nadia where are your sources on this? Stop the blasphomey, this isnt the National Equierer or ESPN, its SLAM

  • Nadia Christos

    Don’t worry about my sources pal…although i agree my BOOZER story was more funny (and the source is 100% reliable). I knew on Amaechi since 1997 .

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Boozer story?

  • Nadia Christos

    @BETCATS…:BOOZER article(no 19),OCT 6,3:36pm.

  • Nadia Christos

    NOAPTE BUNA TUTUROR!!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Nadia i am not gonna read over all the comments in a 159 comment filled section. I will just take your word for it

  • ciolkstar

    man, the comments are just retarded now. Kinda glad I don’t come around anymore. Freedarko and fantasy football/basketball keep me occupied. And just in case pepole still haven’t figured it out: The rankings don’t mean sh!t

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    ciolkstar we value the work the slam staff put into the rankings more than the rankings themselfs.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    BETCATS!!! Still there?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Forgive me if I’m wrong, but didn’t scott’s idiotic @ss have Dirk at around number 7? Eww…

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    Moose!!!

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    and Teddy you are correct Scott’s ‘idiotic @ss’ did have Dirk at #7, but dont give him no bother he is just misguided, but a decent person.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    what’s good, my man?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Anyways, this is way too high for Dirk. I would rather have Ginobli, Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady, David West, Allen Iverson, and even Melo.

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    Moose, bring this party to my Bobcats preview, i need to beef up the comments in this. Teddy, i agree that Yao, Ginobli, and Iverson should be above him, but respectfully disagree with David West (who is from my city of Raleigh), TMac, and Melo over him.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    aight. i’m there.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, SLAM is the best B-Ball mag, but I co-sign ciolkstar @ 6:42 pm about the comments section. Seriously how the hell is Chris Kaman the only person in the NBA capable of making a Yugoslavian ball club.. What the hell are these guys talking about?

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    Yeah, and on top of that we got dudes complaining about it instead of making it better!

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    We’ve missed you ciolkstar. Now I don’t have any Spur fans to make fun of. You were the only one young enough to work the internets.

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    ^.L. .O. .L.

  • http://dyalekt.com d.Y.

    Boo all of you. This is Dirk, the deutsche Kobe. How a guy who’s been to the finals without his MVP PG and sings Hoff songs at the line could be the other most polarizing NBA baller is beyond me, but it is what it is. I expected all out war. 500+ posts by now. At least Nadia and Khalid got into it. C’mon people, I’ve got a hurricane on the way. I’d like to see some squabbling before my power goes out.

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    i can pick fights like certain Bears pick noses

  • davidR

    haha khalid.. i’m a warrior fan so i loved watching dirk get crushed. f*ck no i’m not his lover, i’ll leave that open for dudes who like the sex and the city movie (ahem, khalid). but most of this dirk hate is unwarranted.

  • Caleb

    So… who’s next? I’m thinking Paul Pierce?

  • AI’s #1 Fan

    Best article so far in the Top 50, Todd. Can’t believe Dirk’s ahead of Iverson, though. Come to think of it, can’t believe Melo was ahead of Iverson as well!

  • brian

    paul pierce should be next

    if wade is not top 5, this list is flawed

    1. kobe
    2. lebron
    3. paul
    4. wade
    5. KG
    6. duncan
    7. amare
    8. deron williams
    9. dwight howard
    10. steve nash
    11. paul pierce

  • MeloMan13

    @ Russ: Melo didnt “run away”, he was just tryna size out jeffries (who is also a pussay). if anyones a bitch its nate robinson because he chased Melo and realized he didnt wnat it so he ran back

  • Tonnaay

    Ahead of MELO and AI this list sucks

  • Todd Spehr

    To whoever stated that Fat Lever is one of the greatest Mavericks ever – that is wrong, he tore his knees up bad in Dallas. So he’ll just have to settle for being the greatest Nugget ever

  • Leon

    The best article in the top 50 so far, Todd. Too bad Dirk’s ranked ahead of Iverson. Come to think of it, can’t believe Melo was ahead of AI either!

  • Dean

    Great article.
    WunderDirk is my man. He should have been higher, considering his loyalty to the German national team and the honors he got in FIBA tournaments.
    He’s in my all-NBA first team this season too.

  • fluxland

    I will throw in 100 bucks to see Kobe bounce. Sweet Lord, let this happen.
    @Melo – PA lease! Melo backpedaled 90 feet.. he was sizing up the exit doors.

  • Whatever

    If Dirk’s big criticism is not having post season success then he is ahead of Melo.

  • tealish

    ^Hahaha, flux – I like it!

  • tealish

    @Whatever: His biggest criticisms include him being a “loser” and not headbutting DWest when he got his face stroked. Oh and toss in the fact that he decides to shoot his money J, instead of doing what a big man should do regardless of whether it’s their strength or not.
    Yup, far as I can see. That’s what makes Dirk barely #12 in L.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ fluxland and Meloman13: Both of you shut up. Who the hell cares about being “hard” in the NBA? Its about basketball and if you can play then you don’t have to worry about faking like you’re a “g” or some bullsh!t like that. Who the hell cares whether or not Carmelo is “real”, he obviously isn’t a f*ckin hoodlum since he’s making millions of dollars in the NBA. He’d be stupid to risk that dough for some fake@ss “street cred”. Well, the fact that he has is irrelevant. You get my drift; good players aren’t afraid to scuffle, but also don’t get carried away with acting like they’re f*ckin street thugs.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Kha? The Dirkbashing 08 is really starting to get annoying, okay? give it a rest. you should rather be annoyed the enigma of the Nba isnt higher (A.I). Oh and may Brand get hurt for the month of march whilst your team is in the hunt for the postseason. Curses.

  • Shawn

    It is sad to see Dirk’s star fall so rapidly, an MVP not long ago. Dirk over Pierce anyday. I don’t understand why after the finals, everyone think Paul Pierce is such an elite player. Have we forgotten the season before the big 3 arrived already?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    @jk: true gospel your comments yesterday @ 9:42 am. THANK YOU!

  • jk_light

    @Teddy-the-Bear:
    in your 7:33 comment, you are talking about how bad this comment section got and you can’t even read.
    Kaman would be the only one on the German National Team in the last 10 Years to make the roster of the Yugoslavian NATIONAL Team when Bodiroga (a former yugoslavian player) played there.

  • jk_light

    good morning Darksaber. I missed reading your comments in the last days here in the north of zurich.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Hi jk-light. yeah, i took a sabbatical from the “list”. got so mad at some of the earlier rankings, i actually accused some of the slammers of provocative tactics to ensure internet hits :-) . But i couldn’t stay quiet after seeing Melo so high up, and now Dirk so low…. damnation! Ahhh, Zürich, i miss it already. been living in Singapore for the last 3 weeks now, balling here isn’t the same as in the swiss national leagues. ah well. a great morning to ya.

  • cozza

    Ken says:
    Wow, behind Nash and DWill? I think this is a bit low. Great photo though.
    Im sorry Ken, or whoever u r, but how could Dirk NOT be behing Steve Nash and Deron Williams. Nash should be 4th or 5th in this list.

  • Kieran

    would anyone else take bosh over dirk?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Nadia= Epic fail. That will be all. Thankyou for reading. Oh, and Todd= the man.

  • fluxland

    @jk-i was going to point out the same thing about Teddy the bear and that comment. Figured it was useless. If dude can’t read…
    @Teddy – I hate the posers. If you can’t see the issue with that, not my problem. I just had no idea what MeloMan was watching. That’s not what I saw.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Pierce deserves all the praise he’s getting right now. He and Antoine Walker used to go deep in the playoffs before there was a big three. Then, when he was surrounded by hums, he sulked and played poorly at time, but he also played out of his mind for stretches. Then, this year he seamlessly integrated himself with two great players and went toe-to-toe with the game’s two best players in Lebron and Kobe. He did what he needed to do to be ranked ahead of Dirk. Dirk hasn’t been carrying bum teams. First he had Nash and Finley, then he had Howard, Harris and Terry. Dirk has had talent and at times he’s excelled. At other times he’s faltered. I would prefer to have Pierce over Dirk though.

  • MeloMan13

    @keiran: i wud take bosh over dirk any day
    @teddy bear: im not tryna say hes a thug (tho he is) but who says hoodlum scant make money too
    u just being ignorant
    @flux: melo would handle any knick player

  • chintao

    Now where did I leave that post? I could swear it was around here somewhere…. Did I get moderated for calling Dirk the Duetsche Douche?

  • chintao

    Uh, sorry. That’s Deutsche

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Chintao, you did not just defame Nowitzki did ya? so sad, i was kinda digging your vibe… ah well.

  • http://csawp.blogbus.com 诺天王

    Dirk Nowitzki = Hall of Fame.

    dirk should rank in top 6

  • David

    Dirk should be in Top10! Not a good choice!

  • http://dwflash3@msn.com yuppers

    this is too high. i wud do maybe 20 12 is wayyyyyyy two high

  • http://nba.com Xaxax

    all the haters are getting on my nerves….
    dirk definetly deserves to be in the top5, let’s say top 6 or 7 in the nba RIGHT NOW. picking d will, amaré (!!!), P² and steve nash above him is (especially this year) just hilarious.

  • David Kon

    Dirk is at worst top 10, and should be top 5.

    i can’t think of a player I would inarguably want over him. I guess being white AND foreign really does kill you in the public perception. Having him as low as 12 is a joke.

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