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Friday, October 17th, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  433 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: Dwight Howard, no. 10

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Jeff Fox

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Faster than a speeding (Washington) Bullet. Stronger than a (Shaq Diesel) locomotive (well, maybe not quite). Able to leap tall defenders in a single bound. Truly a man of steel (never missed a game throughout his four-year NBA career), Dwight Howard is the new poster child for NBA centers, making lumbering, immobile centers a thing of the past. And now, thanks to SLAMco’s limited time offer, he can be yours.

Owners of the original SLAMco NBA Superman Action Doll, the Shaquille O’Neal model, will be glad to know this one is new and improved. After complaints of children drowning in the amount of sweat produced by the O’Neal doll, Howard is relatively sweat-free! Plus, instead of spewing Kobe-hating rap lyrics and performing obscene phone calls like O’Neal, the Dwight Howard edition recites the Bible! Additionally, he is capable of hitting free throws (kinda, sorta)!

Still not sold on the dominance of Dwight Howard and your need for the SLAMco Superman Dwight Howard Action Doll? Despite only playing four years in the League, and not blowing out the candles on his 23rd birthday cake until December, Howard led the NBA in total rebounds three times, made the All-NBA and All-Star teams twice, and won a gold medal this summer in Beijing. And at 6-11, he is the tallest cat to win the Slam Dunk contest. With a still developing offensive game (his points per game has increased every year he has played) and intimidating shot-blocking skills, Howard is the complete package.

Better still, this superhero doesn’t just feast off the small and weak of the League. Against his top two opponents for the NBA’s top center crown last season, Yao Ming and Amare Stoudemire, Super Dwight averaged 25 points, 15 boards and 1.8 blocks per. Now is that superhuman or what!

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  • Young C

    Ill take the doll. You can keep JJ though…

  • baron samedi

    first! oh the joy of it! top ten for dwight? hmmmm.. maybe, maybe not.. top 9 in no order: kg, pierce, lebron, nash, amare, kobe, cp3, duncan and i dont know the last one

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Does Redick come equipped with the Better Basketball videos?

  • Jeronimo

    @ Baron: The last one has to be my man Jose Calderon. Or maybe not.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    hahaha. Thats certainly original. I like it Jeff. Well done.

  • Clockwork

    & wade

  • http://www.friendster.com/sesa Sesa

    If Dwight made it to this list, I think it’s fair that Andrew Bynum deserved in this list too.
    30 something at least

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Sesa- thats the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard (or seen) you say. And I think you’ve said a lot of stupid things on the baords in your time. Thanks for playing, but thats an EPIC fail.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Jeronimo…:it is Jose!!! (you just have to wait for the list with the “top-30 in the world”)

  • Nikos Galis

    @Sesa…:you know you are on the right track when Hursty gives you the “EPIC fail” comment.

  • Nikos Galis

    and if Dwight is top-10 then Bynum is top-30…Of course none of this is correct.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    *boards. Sorry :)

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Redick would be better if he was taller, quicker, more athletic and could dribble.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Also I though this guy would be ranked higher. Not that I think he deserves to be this seems to be about right. I’m gonna break my sidekick the day I see Pierce.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Money Bill Williams

    whatup everyone! amare been yet?

  • Terrell

    Ok I listened to previous arguments about this list being more about future potential than current so when my all time fav AI was 18th I said ‘fine’ even though I felt he shoulda been 5-6 slots higher..So now they are tellling me that Paul Pierce is ahead of Dwight Howard and Deron Williams? Yeah he had a decent Finals and had a good game 7 against Lebron but damn…I mean was he even in the Top Twenty in these rankings last year?

  • Bran

    If I were to build a franchise around a single player, Dwight would be the guy. This rank does not do him justice.
    Imagine if Dwight were in place of Amare?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Money Bill Williams

    while what you say is not all wrong think of this: this is this year, not last year

  • Nikos Galis

    you are right Terrell,..and now this: you know that the quality of bball in the NBA is in decline when the best center is Dwight Howard. (tell me the last time in the previous 50 years that we had as the best center someone with the post moves and the general bball knowledge of our friend “SuperGoof”)

  • Nikos Galis

    I like this : SuperGoof!! SuperGoof!!

  • http://myspace.com/jrcfl Justin

    Very funny including the dig at JJ.
    And no, Andrew Bynum does not belong in the same conversation as D12.
    Yet.

  • peteb80

    This list is crazy weak. I’ve lost a lot of respect for Slam in the last couple of months.

  • Krishan

    I am soooooo not sold on dwight howard. I know he’s freakishly athletic, monster rebounder, and his upside is huge, but HE’S NOT THERE YET. Just watch him. Watch him grab that offensive rebound. Watch him put that back in with authority. Watch him posterize some idiot who’s out of position and knows that a dunk is coming but goes after it anyways, forgetting that the mofo is dwight. Yeah? Now watch him get the ball in the post, two dribbles, and feebly kick it back out. Watch him turn the middle and immediately get the rock stripped from him. I understand that he’s post moves need polish, and if it does get polished, he’ll be an immovable force. BUT, that time’s not here yet, and he’s not top ten material also. Yet.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    1st. It’s fascinating to see how P-squared has taken over the slamonline role that Dirk had before he was ranked: the villified/beloved star who belongs in the top 10 (or not according to some). 2nd. After all star weekend, i adored superman. Big men with humour and creativity, + mad vertical dont grow on trees. And i am willing to blame his limited mobility at the olympics on his BROKEN CHESTBONE! But work on the offense son. Its all a bit limited, your repetoire. But based on presence, potential and physique alone: damn right he’s top 10!!

  • Terrell

    That just speaks of the quality or ,lack there of, of true skilled big men….but back on Pau Pierce Im just wondering where he is gonna land…Top five…Why not?

  • Nikos Galis

    the Paul Pierce placement is gonna be a “career achievement award” so i will have no problem with that…

  • http://ngunioamosotho.com Nguni

    stop complaining cuz he’s finally here(using the kanye tone). Dwight deserves this.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    superman OHHH!!! (u know u missed it, folks)

  • Green18

    WOW– that means P Double is Top 9 – Glad to see The TRuth gettin his shine– BACK ON TOPIC D-12 is the future of the league and wit his developing short jumper materializing there should be atleast 2 Regular Season MVPs in his future TOP 10 For sure

  • Krishan

    Stop referencing that travesty of a slam dunk contest, that was g*ddamned awful. Somewhere dominique is facepalming.

  • Krishan

    Also just because I don’t agree with the placing, doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the article. Props mr. fox.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ya’ll are funny. Basketball iss whoever scores the most points, correct? I could care less how the damn basket is scored. Ya’ll remember a young Shaq, yes? Same criticisms: all he does is dunk, no moves, can’t shoot free-throws, yada….yada. So rebounds aren’t important? Defense isn’t relevant? Blocks or the fear of blocks doesn’t matter? Getting the other big man on the other team and sent to the bench in the 1st quarter has no bearing? 23 years old people!

  • Terrell

    @Nicos…huh? Career achievement?Thats not what tthis list is and if it is why isnt Shaq in the top 5?….What about Ray Allen hes had a pretty good career….My boy AI still is puttin up world class numbers and he was a surefire hall of famer 5 years ago so why was he 18th because he was traded to a team with a yound supposed star iinstead of being teamed with two othe hall of famers…Pleeeeze!

  • räuber hotzenplotz

    paul pierce is not a top 10 player, dwight too, in the beginning i was impressed by his game but he did not get better, no center moves added, just physical dominance borring to watch. andrew bynum (if healthy) will be much better.

    1,2,3 cp3, kobe, lebron
    4 kg
    5 dwade
    6 amare
    7 duncan
    8 dirk
    9 nash
    10 williams

    howard
    iverson
    melo
    boozer

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Ya’ll know damn well none of us know what the criteria for this list is.

  • Nikos Galis

    Correct!!!Basketball is whoever scores the most points!!!
    i wonder how you missed my age though??….(22,you were close)

  • Jay

    i’d like a penny hardaway-doll instead of the jj one…anybody wanna trade?

  • Anon

    can’t believe he won the dunk contest on a cheesy gimmick…GAWD people are stupid

  • Nikos Galis

    @Terrell…:i thought you would get this: there is only ONE “career achivment Oscar” in every ceremony. (although,to me, the Kidd,Shaq existence in this list and A.I.’s TOP-40 placement is a “career…” thing.And Ray Allen should be top-20)

  • Krishan

    I blame kenny smith

  • http://www.friendster.com/sesa Sesa

    @Hursty.
    That’s just my opinion, why the hate?
    I think Dwight is good but he’s not top 10.
    Amare is more like in the top 10

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Yep, cause dunk contests matter in the playoffs.

  • Funkdoc

    is amare really highter than D12? Come on, D12 really dominates the game, put Amare in Orlando without Steve Nash and all the magic’s gone, believe me

  • Funkdoc

    *higher

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Funkdoc: No, it’s not.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I personally would take Amare over Dwight any day, but that’s just me. :P

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    TAD, Dwight is still 22, I believe. And I would have said what you said. Bravo.

  • Krishan

    Amare over dwight all the way

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    @Co Co:Depends on what you need more. If you need a scoring big with post moves besides a headfake and range outside the charging circle in the paint you take Amare. If you need someone to attempt to play defense and block a shot you take Dwight.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Well, December is near.

  • Krishan

    And for the record, I’m not dissing his skills and potential, I’m just not convinced that he should be this high. Him and AI of course. AI especially. ALLEN IVERSON OH MY GOD WHAT WERE YOU GUYS THINKING

  • Krishan

    Kidding.:)

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Nah, I’d rather have Amare regardless.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    At this point.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    So PP is number one right?

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    If you want someone to block a shot Amare isn’t so bad either…now playing physical defense and stopping someone from scoring on a regular basis well that’s different.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Here’s what I’ve never understood. If a guy can get deep position and overpower whoever’s on him and score primarily off dunks, why would you be concerned whether he could hit a mid-range jumper or not? Don’t the Magic have a couple of guys making a lot of money SPECIFICALLY to shoot jumpers? I mean, yeah, Dwight could develop some more post moves and a mid-range jumper, but then he’d probably be the best center ever. Give him time.

  • Kieran

    this is bout right for howard, think by the end of the year he will be even higher! A lot of folks seem to have issue with Pierce being top 9, its a tough call on one hand you can say its a knee jerk reaction to his performance in the playoffs but then surely thats the best measure of a player. Dude dominated the finals which is something not many in the top ten has done

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Kieran is right about PP. I mean he went from needing reconstructive knee surgery in Game 1 or 2 (I can’t remember which) to Finals MVP. That’s pretty impressive. ;)

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Co sign russ.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Russ’s 10:22a comments should be framed and re-posted in each conversation morons open their mouths or move their fingers when talking about big men playing basketball.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Yao!!! Free Yao!

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Russ we’d rather have a 7 ft jumpshooter. We need more Dirk’s ;)

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    and SLAM should become a capitalistic magizine that makes sh!t that would force Spencers into retirment. I would buy some stuff (i copped the Iverson Soul on Ice shirt a while ago)

  • rikson

    Whats with all the Pierce hate? Hes just a killer – look up his stats… Plus hes got his ring now (not like AI)… Top 10 for sure!!!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    TAD, you know very well that Dwight’s post ip game is nowhere near Shaq’s (even early Shaq).

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I just wonder if PP would have been top 10 without the ring. I mean maybe if I knew what the criteria for the list was I’d understand these rankings a little better.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Not top ten … hes a b1tch … i hope i see PP on the streets throwing up gang signs. Im going to punch him in his crooked, nappy headed face … hes on my top ten for people i want to fight. Right behind Dane Cook, and Chuck Swirsky.

  • niQ

    WHAT A DEAL! I GET TO SAVE 13 MILLION DOLLARS!

  • rikson

    @CoCo Probably not, but thats slams fault…

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Z: Yeah, shaq clearly had the turning and dunking down to a sweet science. When Dwight turns and dunks, I cringe.

  • Black Mamba

    I had to write something, please I agree Dwight Howard has not shown anything yet to me, but being able to dunk, think about it, his team can’t get out of the first round, because of his inconsistent shot and his inability to hit free throws-Detroit Series. Also I think Paul Pierce is the most overraed player of all time, base off of one good series in a finals, where he has Ray Allen and Garnett triple teaming Kobe, so he looked like he was playing D, when he had people collapsing in the lane and then he hit some shots, but Ray Allen was the real killer to me with inside rebounding by their bench mob. To get back to point, I would take Al Jefferson over Dwight Howard.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Thanks Black Mamba for the PP hate. Much appreciated. And YES, he is very OVERrated!! Makes a big difference when you only have to play Kobe once out of every 20 posessions. Posey, and about 3 other defenders were guarding him, plus when you have KG to help out down low. PP actually didnt do anything except throw up lucky jumpers, which in the finals were actually dropping for once!!!

  • josesito

    wow so eddie curry is on the top 9

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Nice write up…
    The Pierce hatred on this bored is pretty lame. And Dwight Howards is not close to a young Shaq. He’s good, but a young Shaq was better.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Allen, do you mean Board? And its not Lame … your lame. lol

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ya’ll are missing the point. I was not saying Shaq and Dwight are alike, I was just saying they got the same criticism’s in their offensive games.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    TAD, you are sleeping on young Shaq’s game tremendously. Shaq came into the league with a jump hook that poeple had to respect. Dwight still doesn’t have one. Dwight is a beast, but he is not the beast that Shaq was, EVER! Please people, do not hate on how amazing Shaq was as a youngster and in his prime. His footwork was impeccable. Sure, he didn’t have many post moves, but the moves he did have were perfect and Dwight has none of them right now. The Shaq amnesia must end!

  • rikson

    If anything PP was underrated -> no spotlights; no credit…

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Lucky jumpers? Jesus, I think i’m about done with these idiotic statements.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Yeah, James you caught my typo. And when you mean to say “you are” the proper contraction is you’re. When you write “your” you are talking about possession. Just a quick tip for you.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    No spotlights??? You do know Pierce plays in Boston right? No spotlights?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    LUCKY JUMPERS YES!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    as well as UGLY JUMPERS YES!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    My eyes are bleeding.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    People who don’t respect the completeness of Paul Pierce’s offensive game are idiots…There can be no debate about this.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Again, to all of you who really can’t grasp the concept of life before 1999 in the NBA, don’t speak when you don’t know what the fu*k you’re talking about. Young Shaq was a Category 5 force of nature, young Dwight is a mild Tropical storm…..for now.

  • rikson

    Yeah no spotlights – Its hard to get reputation without support… I mean there was walker – thats it!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Allenp: trust me, I have nothing but respect for Shaq. Read between the lines. I know what Shaq was able to do, but I still remember people saying all he could do was dunk. I wasn’t saying that, but I can clearly recall that fans and critics said this about Shaq. My point, and only point, is that people say the same thing about Dwight. Now, it Dwight’s case, it is completely correct for now. But he still has a ton of time to develop his game. Thing is, no one can stop him from dunking. I’ll take an automatic two over a jump hook any day.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    When your jumpshot as zero verticle and you dont leave the ground thats consider a bad shot. And when you shoot from your chest … unless you consider Marion a great shooter …

  • Bo Diddly

    I don’t think it is too much to ask for a centre with the raw materials that Howard has (height, strength, quickness, intelligence) to have a better offensive game and something resembling a jump shot. I’m not just leveling this at Dwight, but these guys play bball full time! And they get paid a shed load. Surely they have time to develop some moves and a jumpshot. But as has been said, Dwight is still young and so has time. I don’t think he should be this high though. Just hope he reaches his (God given) potential. It is like professional footballers (soccer players for you yanks) that can’t get corners over the first defender! Ridiculous. I could make a comparison with something I fail to do in my job but I would be embarassed.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    James, your an idiot. I mean that as polite as I can say it.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    But, can we debate whether he’s top 10 or not? ;)

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Thanks TAD!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    TAD, your a gentle giant.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ok, someone please give me the teams that wouldn’t take Dwight on their squad over the big man they have now. I’ll start: Spurs, Lakers, Rockets, Suns, Blazers. That is all I have.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    PP most overrated….., yeah i say that. PAUL PIERCE SUCKS

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Thanks Simone!!! OVERRATED … kind of like TAD!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I don’t have a problem with Dwight in the top ten. I actually would prefer him over Amare on my squad if I had a decent point guard because Dwight is a much better defender and rebounder. Not just by the numbers, but just by watching them play. However, if my point guard wasn’t that good because Amare doesn’t need anybody to get him shots. He can create a shot against anyone. Depends on what you like in a player, but I don’t have a problem with Dwight in the top ten. I just had to speak up regarding a few comments. (And TAD, I understand your point now. It wasn’t clear to me initially.)

  • rikson

    Jesus… Im out!!!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Wow, just wow. James, please shut up. Who cars about the vericle (sic) on his jumper if it goes in at a more than decent clip with hands in his face. Is this figure skating or what? There are no points for style.
    TAD, I get what you’re saying in that they received the same kind of criticism. The difference is that in Dwight’s case, it’s warranted. Comparing them is implicitly saying that Dwight is kinda close to a young Shaq. He’s not. The argument about no one stopping him from dunking is pointless. I do not care if you dunk the ball 4-5 times a game if that means that you score around 18.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    The Blazers and Lakers are questionable. I think considering the injury history of Oden and Bynum, those teams would take Howard. You forgot the Celtics and Timberwolves. Neither of them would trade their bigs for Howard. Smart in the Celtics case, stupid for the T Wolves.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ok James, i’ve been told to be nice to the special people, so here goes: You are basically saying that if you have no lift on your jumper that it’s lucky and ugly? So Steve Nash’s jumper is lucky?

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Anyone who doesn’t think Paul Pierce is top 10 needs to put the crack pipe down. And this is coming from a Laker fan.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Russ….:IF “SuperGoof” develops “some more post moves and a mid-range jumper” as you said he STILL is worse than Hakeem (“The Dream” had LOTS of post moves,a very good jumper, and he was a better defender than what Howard will ever be)and propably you don’t consider Hakeem the best center ever….(i do consider him though. At least he is the best i ever saw from 1980 to now, along with pre-1990 Sabonis ).

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Don’t get me wrong, Dwight IS a beast. I’d take him in a heartbeat on my team. I don’t think he’s top 10 yet. I expect top 10 dudes to be able to carry their team. I don’t think Dwight can put the Magic on his back yet. Quite frankly, Hedo was just as important in last year playoffs run.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    People really are unaware of the early years in Paul Pierce’s career and some of the performances he put up when the Celtics were putrid. This explosion is not because of Garnett or Ray Allen. Paul Pierce has always been super tight (shout out to UGK), KG and Ray just helped him to win more games doing his thing.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    @Z … thats what im saying. How many times has PP been to playoffs and had success? He’s been a chump. But all of a sudden he has a good … not great finals. ANd now hes the man. His shot was terrible but going in FOR ONCE. With a little help from Allen and Garnett i might add!! WHat has he done without them in the playoffs … o yeah, nothing. PP is very overrated … are you in a gang, is that why you like him? O and the more you tell me shut up, the more i wont. SOooo, suck my f*cking nuts!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Thanks B. Long lol

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Z: 25,15 were Howard’s averages.
    Allenp: True about Lakers, Blazers. That is crazy talk that the C’s would’t take Dwight over Perkins. Are you serious??

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Paul Pierce went to playoffs regularly with Antoine Walker! The got to Eastern Conference Finals and lost to New Jersey. They were regulars in the second round…
    Are you serious?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Ok yes, he was great back in the day, so was Eddie Jones … is he top ten?

  • rikson

    @B.Long: So true – I guess people just dont like Pierce… So lets just make a “which player i like most”-Top 50 -> then you can put him where you like, but here NO CHANCE hes not top 10

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Pierce is overrated.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    TAD, I was talking about Garnett. I was assuming we were talking about the best big on the team. Because the Suns would ship Shaq’s big butt out of Phoenix in a heartbeat for Dwight. I thought you were talking about them getting rid of Amare.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Yeah exactly … he was top ten back in the day. Now!!! NO!!!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    James, you just said the reason Paul Pierce shouldn’t be rated this high is because he was nothing before he met KG and Ray Allen. Now you’re saying he was a beast back in the day? CAn you make up your mind?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Naw he was nothing in the playoffs, he was a chump!!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Allenp: actually, with Phoenix I was regarding Amare, but with C’s I was thinking Perkins. I guess that wasn’t really fair in my case.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    So, you’re just going to ignore the actual facts of what happened, and make arguments based on lies?
    Good to know.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Haha, I loved that last dig at JJ, too. Barely used, indeed. No idea how a legendary college player like him can barely get any minutes on a team where you’d think a dead-eye shooter would fit in perfectly. Perhaps its the lofty “I’m gonna be a role player” goal he’s set, I don’t know, but Duke fan or hater, it’d be nice to see him sinking those shots again. Or is this just Casey Jacobsen II?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Overrated! His game as always lacked because he never trained or had heart. You could tell he was tired in the fourth because of the lack of training. This is the first season where there has been any talk about him hitting the weights during off season. Too bus trying to be a “blood”

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    What is going on in here? Pierce is a lucky jump shooter?! Young Shaq is comparable to today’s Dwight? REALLY? Thought the commenters on here were knowledgeable ballers or at least baller fans. Young Shaq Fu was an enigma. Mentioning him in the same breath as D-Howitzer is like me saying Maggie G. is on the same level as Angelina J. Utter nonsense!! Shaq early in his nba career (and before that at LSU too) was like NOTHING the league had experienced, e.v.e.r. Dwight would have been forced to guard Horace Grant during those years, cause he could’nt dream of handling the little warrior. And even though i dislike P-squared personally, the man has been a top 15 Nba baller all his career, going deep into the playoffs with nothing more than Antoine and some change to accompany him. Come on people. This a’int a bloody standup comedy club. Stay real.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    As izzo said at 11:05 comment: “My eyes are bleeding”.
    Word, mine too. I’m done with this excercise for now.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    He has gained heart, i will admit it. But he is too … fake. And overrated lol.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    James, I’m going to have to let you have this argument because you’re not actually using facts to make a point. You’re just repeating over and over that you hate Paul Pierce and he wants to be a blood. You ignore previous playoff runs, you ignore previous statistics and you ignore his performance last year. If you ignore all those things, then sure, Paul Pierce sucks.
    Good day sir.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Darksaber: the Shaq thing was misconstrued. Please read my 11:06 comment.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @James: Pierce and Walker had a bunch of really good playoff runs in the early/mid 2000s. They may not have challenged for a title, but given the fact that on those Celtics teams nobody outside of the duo had any offensive game whatsoever, that was still something. Who was their next best player on those teams? An aged Vin Baker? An equally aged Tony Delk? Waltahhh? Those Celts had decent playoff success playing 2 on 5 every game. Not chump-like.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    I’m sure there’re Celtics fans out there who remember how those early-2000s Pierce teams played. There wasn’t much of a playbook, they had no real point guard, no real inside scoring threat, no tight defensive unit that AI’s Sixers had. It essentially was just PP and Walker doing all the scoring and creating. And yet they made the playoffs year after year, and put up good fights against much better Eastern teams like the Pacers and the Nets.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    I mean they had to raise the weight of the backboard supports when Shaq started ripping the things down like he was picking apples out of a tree. This in the age of Charles Barkley all out ATTACKING rims with his two handed flushes (while swinging back and forth with the momentum mind you), Ewing always going for the two handed behind the shoulder blades power jam, and Do-mi-nique straight out murdering rims. Chocolate thunder might have shattered backboards back in the 70′s, Shaq made them bow. Like Eboy correctly stated: utter force of nature

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    TAD, 25 and 15 is impressive. Didn’t know that those were his averages in last year’s playoffs. I think what bugs me with Dwight is that he can’t take a game by the throat yet. You can’t dump it to him down low in crunch time and say ‘go get buckets’. Maybe he’ll get there, maybe he won’t.
    Allenp, a wise man once said don’t argue with fools because people, from a distance, can’t tell who is who.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Z….:you are the first to observe the level of importance of Hedo in last year MAGIC team…this is no small achievement here(don’t laugh)

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    @TAD: sorry, got a bit heated there. Missed your 11:06 comment.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Turkoglu was fantastic last season. This is coming from someone who gleefully loved it when Dirk would sink jumper after jumper over the guy when the met in international play. Always seemed to shrink from the spotlight. Not anymore. That game winner against the C’s (amongst others) was too sweet. Someone give Stan Van Jeremy a medal already.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    @James, you’re right ….. PP did it cause of Allen and KG…look at his past, a sucks player play in sucks eastern con’.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Paul Pierce doesn’t suck, but I still wonder if he would have been top 10 without the ring. I dont think so and to say he’s 9 or 10 steps ahead of AI makes me laugh out loud.

  • Terrell

    Im sorry NIKOZ but at 9:47, where you implying Ai should not have been in the top 40?…Before I call you an idiot and start disectng to you y he shoudlve been in the top 12 can u explain ur reasoning please?

  • Bo Diddly

    On behalf of Slam, please see below the (unofficial & long awaited) basis for this Top 50 list:

    Choosing players for a team to win an NBA championship NOW – Playoffs only. Therefore age is somewhat a factor but career numbers aren’t.
    Players should:
    - Be a major contributor in as many ways as possible to a team.
    - Be a proven ‘winner’!
    - Have statistics to back it up.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Speaking of big men, i’m willing to bet that Marc Gasol’s going to shock a few people in the league in the next few seasons. He’s vastly improved his footwork, always had a great touch around the basket, even has a mean streak (not a whiny one like big bro) and he won’t want to be compared to Pau(sucks) out there in Memphis. Then add the stated brilliance of G-Oden, and Bynum’s resurrection and their are going to be some great matchups at the 5 next season.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Co Co, rings are part of what makes a great player. Would we look at Russell in the same way if he didn’t have 10 or 11 rings? Of course not. Same with MJ.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    If by great matchup, you mean Odean and Bynum beasting on Marc then yeah, sure.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Terrell….:since A.I. is your favorite player i would like to avoid giving you my thoughts on him…but if you insist you can check my thoughts on his career on “SLAM top50: no 18 A.Iverson, Oct 7 at 10:03 am”

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    @Z: O yee of little faith (and knowledge).

  • Nikos Galis

    @Terrell…:and you can call me whatever you want (i got no problem at all)

  • mike

    too low he is 10000000000000000000 times better than amare and nash

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Something is starting to tell me that Slam does these lists to weed out the idiots and get a good laugh. I wonder if I passed?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    This is a rare occassion.I was right.

  • Terrell

    Nikoz….its not about AI being my favorite player its about respecting his talent…personally i dont like Kobe, Nash, Duncan, or Dirk but they are great players and I would sound stupid saying theyre not even ‘top 40′ players without ne thing to back it up…just because I dont like them…thats crazy.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    1. Did anyone see Oden’s first game, were he was dunking everything, literally catching, turning inside and dunking two handed? He’s no shaq, but that’s pretty much what shaq did 24/7 when he was younger. Dwight doesn’t have the footwork or strength to do that. He gwts most of his dunks on putbacks, cutting inside, alleys, etc. I think that’s the point people are trying to make on this post. I agree a player who can manage to dunk most of the time shouldn’t be criticised for it, however, when comparing him to a guy like Yao then it would be relevant.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Eboy, do you still want to play fantasy ball? Click my name if you do.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    and i have no idea where that 1. came from..

  • big nigga

    dwight howard is a great center
    the only things his game is lacking is consistent post moves and a decent mid-range jumper

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    And keeping his turnovers low. And improving his free throw shooting.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    I don’t get the obsession with wanting a center to have a mid range jumper.Sure he absolutely needs better post moves and footwork,but a mid range jumper?Why?So he can shy away from exploiting the best part of his game.Sometimes I wish KG never had that jumper because now that he has,that’s pretty much all he ever does.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Dwight is a great rebounder and finisher. He is a presence both on defense and offense. However without a move or a jumper he’s not a great basketball player. His place on this list is due to his sheer physical dominance. When he develops the other aspects he’s gonna be closer to 1 than 10 believe it.

  • Terrell

    also Nikoz I took the time to read your assessment of AI and I dont agre with that either. Its funny because being from Detroit, a young ‘Zeke’ is why I started watching basketball an he and AI are my favorite players of all-time…but if Isiah is top 20 all time AI is top 20 or 30 depending n who you talk to its a toss up between them as the best little men of all time and ive heard plenty analyst and nba ‘experts’ say AI has surpasses Isiah. So I guess some how you were saying his career has been a dissapointment…..I guess like every other superstar who didnt win a title huh?

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I’d take one or the other for any player izzo. It seems like everyone wants Dirk to be a dominant post player when his strength is shooting. Dirk is the bizarro Dwight. As good as they are at their particular games fans want to attack what they’re not good at rather than applaud them for what they do well.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    PP has to be next. or at least in the top 7.

  • md

    How can PP be in above Howard A.I and Williams is wining a title with the help of two hall of famers really that impressive ? ? ? ?

  • Anton

    Bosh is better than Howard

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Z that statement is flawed in a lot of places. There are a lot of players with rings who aren’t great and there are several great players without rings.

  • ynneb

    howard may not deserve this high a ranking. i guess it depends on what gets your attention during a game.
    no post moves, yet. camps out under the basket. no finger roll (let alone a J). But..discounting the other areas of his game is just dumb.
    his motor is crazy. dude’s rebound ability alone may justify this high a ranking. the L is overflowing w/20 point scorers…most games are won/lost on the glass.

  • Ryan.T.

    THIS is the one I’ve been waiting for. OVERRATED!! His offensive ability is VERY limited. No post moves to speak of what so ever. And he’s not a great passer as a big man. Lets look @ it like this: With the game on the line can you rely on Dwight Howard to carry your team to victory?? Lets say his whole team is struggling from the field, Dwight himself is having the best game. His team is down 4 in the final minutes of the game. Is Dwight Howard the guy you consistently get the ball to? IS HE EVEN LEFT IN THE GAME?? Can he create a scoring opportunity? Because you know he can’t dunk on every single posession. And if he gets fouled, can he make the critical free throws?? Doubt it. Too many questions about his game to call him the 10th best player in the League. There’s at least 40 player (on this list) that’d I’d trust more with the ball in the closing seconds of a game, than him. I know everybody will talk about his defense, but he can’t keep a Top Scorer from getting buckets every time down the court. So does his defense make him a better overall player than somebody like Bosh?? NO.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    fantasy basketball, 4 spots left, click my name….so far we’ve got myself, DP, Hursty, B Long, Lz, Tad, Jukai,and Mykal..

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    “Dirk is the bizarro Dwight”
    Quote of the damn day!

  • http://its-mitch.blogspot.com/ Paps

    Oden’s next.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Ryan T
    the whole argument about who would take the last shot would have excluded Shaq in his prime from this list.
    That would not have been good.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Co Co, the ring discussion can only be had with great players that played integral roles. (i.e. Kev and PP get it for last year’s ring, Ray Ray doesn’t)

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    Yall kids on here a brick and rock dumb. People hate on PP just don’t know much about NBA basketball and should stick to And1. Pierce is one of the best post-season, big game players of his generation, POINT BLANK PERIOD. With nothing close to McGrady’s “natural” ability on either end, his intangibles, toughness, BRASS BALLS … these all are ingredients to make up what makes him so great. Man got stabbed and nearly died and STILL NEVER ASKED FOR A TRADE! Chumps in the L have a bad season, these franchise players quote-unquote, and want to be moved to another team right away. L is full of BOGUS max dollar players; Pierce beat Lebron, destroyed the Pistons in game 6′s 4th quarter when 99% of the league would have mailed it in down 10 pts, and then tore the Lakers apart. Look at his line in Game 5 v the Lakers … DOMINATING performance. That’s not just now. He carried the Cs past the higher seeded Pacers many years as well when they had no business beating Indy. Go back to close out game v Iverson’s 76ers: 48 points in the win. Winning with two hall of famers in KG and Ray? … you think Bird had no help? Magic? See who them brothas balled with. Lakes and Celts were bloated with hall of famers. Duncan had Robinson and TP’s on the way to the HALL. Kobe had Shaq. Wade had Shaq. Mike had Pip and Rodman. Nobody wins without other great players.

    Pierce was a top 10 player 2 years ago. And he still is now. he can’t jump, can’t run, can’t fly and don’t bring the flash …. but he has more substance and ethic than the entire league. You gave him Iverson or McGrady’s natural TALENT and he’d be a top 20 ALL TIME PLAYER. Slam, you’ve finally done it. This is cause for celebration. Slam, welcome back to the real world.

  • Caleb

    I’m with H to the Izzo. A big man who has a midrange game is impressive, and can be a big help (see David West), but a dominant big man lacking a J is not that big a deal. I cringed just about every time KG threw up of one of those bricks in the Finals instead of trying to get in the paint.

  • Caleb

    I mean… you never hear anyone say “This point guard will never be a truly great player until he develops his post game.”

  • Caleb

    Oh and Kenny, I tend to agree with you. I love watching Pierce play.. he has a pretty complete skillset and his determination to win is up there with just about anyone. I’m down with him being Top 10 (probably the next one, #9 – which sounds good).

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Wow Kenny I love how you just made Paul Pierce sound like he has no talent and he’s just a good player because he’s mentally tough. Um, I don’t know about that.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    if you gave PP a weight/resistance training progam he’d be a top 20 all time player…..is he one of those guys who thinks weight training will mess up his J?

  • Ryan.T.

    Shaq had the ability to score though. And he was willing to stay in the game to shoot those free throws, but it wasn’t his decision. There were a few occasions where he did make free throws in clutch situations. Plus Shaq was dominant every game, unlike how Dwight Howard is RIGHT NOW.

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    He’s a fantastic player — amazing footwork, incredible mid range game, death on the block, runs the pick and roll like a point guard, gets to the stripe, rebounds, defends … he’s so complete and plays hard… who said he don’t have skill? He’s insanely gifted, has a great body, and basketball IQ.

  • Black Mamba

    Kenny Anderson’s Auditor sounds unemployed to me, but lets get to the point. Paul Pierce is very overrated, the finals wasn’t won because of his defense. TEAM defense with Garnett collapsing in the lane and Posey swtiching up. The is the first time ever people have taken up for PP, Lets see what PP do this year. He to me is a second tier player, with good offensive skills, call it what you want, but I would pick Joe Johnson over him and maybe even Micheal Redd, you can’t say that about the top players. Please PP should not be in top 10 maybe 20 to 25.

  • Caleb

    His pick and roll game is what impresses me the most, so yeah – I agree. Its amazing watching this big dude drive to the rim like a guard.

  • Caleb

    Michael Redd over Pierce? Seriously?

    You would be a horrible general manager.

  • Black Mamba

    All they both do is shoot and smile.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    “With nothing close to McGrady’s “natural” ability on either end, his intangibles, toughness, BRASS BALLS” “can’t jump, can’t run, can’t fly and don’t bring the flash …. but he has more substance and ethic than the entire league”

    That’s what you wrote.

  • Ryan.T.

    Shaq in his prime was pretty much un-guardable. You can’t say the same for Howard at this point in time.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    ”I would pick Joe Johnson over him and maybe even Micheal Redd, you can’t say that about the top players.” You can’t say that about Pierce either you dumbf-ck.

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    Yeah, nothing close to their god given ability. I stand by that in terms of athletic ability. I’m not talking basketball skill … I’m talking as an athlete. Black Mamba, with a name like that … you can’t be taken seriously. I’m calling you Kobe’s Stepson.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Now, now no name calling guys.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Okay, but you make it sound like Pierce has no athletic ability at all.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    @kenny, sound like you know nothing about BB, i’d be doubt if you really watch the nba final last season??? F**king kobe hater…

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Yeah, I know Co Co, but this PP hate is getting out of control.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Black Mamba failed. Miserably.

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    The PP hate comes from, unfortunately, a generation of fans who have been raised in an environment and basketball climate that hypes those that never deserved it, and for all the wrong reasons. I think Slam is trying to reverse what they once were — and I applaud them for that, because they have some blood on their hands here in terms of brainwashing and programming young hoop minds. The old Slam would have Arenas, Iverson and Vince Carter rounding out the top 5 this summer.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but I’d rather have Dwight than Amare Stouemire (like what I did there?) I think the gap between Dwight and Amare on D is a lot greater than the gap between them on O.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    I’m a Hawks fan and even I would have a hard time taking Joe Johnson over Pierce, although it would be pretty close. But Redd? Come on man, not even close.

  • Black Mamba

    I didn’t fail, Its the truth, Nobody cared about PP until last year, yes its true. Not everybody thinks PP is top 10, Noooo, he is 20 to 25, I think people are forgetting all those games when he had a good Boston team and they did crap. I didn’t fail, just wait, when Boston doesn’t do as well as last year and people will then be saying PP is overated.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Even Dime magazine would NOT have had VC in their top 5.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    KAA: Um, I have read the mag since it’s inception, and you are wrong. Now, Slam may have given covers to guys who would sell more (they are in business to make a profit), but their articles were almost always well-written with an unbiased view. Slam has slammed (no pun intended) Ivy plenty in the past, but people still love him regardless.

  • Black Mamba

    Kenny Anderson, please I watch as much basketball as anyone and know, when I see mess, so you can say what you want. Okay since you know so much what is your top ten players in the league.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I just wanna say that any “hate” I have toward PP is strictly because he plays for Boston. :) I’m still not sure he’s top 9 worthy, but I guess that’s because I’ve obviously “been raised in an environment and basketball climate that hypes those that never deserved it, and for all the wrong reasons”

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    You mean with Antoine “Shimmy” Walker? THAT good Boston team?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Well, Dan Dickau once said that Slam “doesn’t care about winners”. And what Dan Dickau says is law.

  • Black Mamba

    Yes they really were good and mess the finals by some games, because PP was soft. Thank you Tad

  • Ryan.T.

    How about we save all the Paul Pierce talk for when he’s actually announced on the list…

  • Black Mamba

    I agree

  • Ryan.T.

    Because the way this list has been, he might not even be considered a top player. LOL

  • Black Mamba

    your right

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ryan T- I just noticed you said Howard is not a better overall player than Bosh. So i’ll leave the pointless PP hate discussion alone and ask: are you f*cking serious?

  • Ryan.T.

    Overall?? Wasn’t there a game last year where Bosh lit him up for 30+ and Howard got criticized by his own coaching staff?? Bosh is a better scorer, passer, and can create for his teammates. He can also rebound & has decent defense, but I’d give Howard the edge in those departments. People get caught up in highlights, and don’t really disect the game to find out one players effectiveness on the court. Howard has flashy dunks & blocks but what about all the other aspects of his game??

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    whoever compared Paul Piere to Michael Redd should be slapped in the head with a brick.
    But, since I’m a joe johnson fan, I can’t complain about putting him on that level. Joe was killing Boston in Atlanta.

  • Ryan.T.

    Head to head in a game of 1 on 1, I’d take Bosh to win. Because he has a better handle on the ball, and can score in more than one way. I haven’t seen Dwight Howard handle the ball away from the basket at all. I know alot of people would disagree with me, but it’s just my opinion.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    We’re talking about one-on-one?
    Well then Vince is the best in the league.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ryan T: I don’t get caught up in flashy plays or dunks. I’m a Pistons fan, so none there anyway. I like Bosh and his game. There is NO question Bosh’s offensive repertoire is miles beyond Howard’s. But please don’t fool yourself about who is the more impactful player. When was the last time Bosh had a 20+ rebound game? Dwight had 11. How about 5+ blocks? Dwight had 7. Howard was way more impact on the game then Bosh.

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  • http://www.sprint.com/sero Dma

    4th year amare or 4th year dwight? oh that’s right amare died on his 4th year. ok that wasn’t fair.

  • Ryan.T.

    So your saying since Howard had good games in which he rebounded & blocked shots, it makes him the 10th best player in the League?? So guys like Ben Wallace, Dennis Rodman, Dikembe Mutombo should’ve been considered one of the best “players in the league” since they all once led the league in those exact same categories?? They all had limited offensive ability as well… But weren’t and still aren’t considered one of the best players during those days. People categorize them as “good defenders”, or “rebounders”, not best players.

  • J.E

    so Dwight Howard is like 10 spots better than Yao Ming? The big men with the post game, and ability to step out and knock down jump shots is rated that much lower than a dude that can just back down and dunk. Do you think the Pistons could just put Sheed on I think Dwight is a beast, and don’t really have any beef with this ranking. However, he’s not that much better than Yao.. unless your solely basing it on the fact that yao is injury prone and dwight is not.

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    Dwight>Yao , but not by much. This isnt my list though, so i can appreciate all the effort put into it and the good write ups every time.

  • Ryan.T.

    I don’t even wanna argue about it, you win. Like I said it was my opinion. I’m not a big fan of either of ‘em. My main gripe was about how Iverson was so low on the list. You could throw some extra facts about that one to me as well.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ryan T: No, i’m not saying that. Dwight averaged 21 points last year. He is clearly better than those players offensively. But Dennis Rodman WAS a top-10 player in his prime with limited offensive skills as well. The thing is, if his back down and dunk is not impressive, why can’t anyone stop it? Or better than that: why do anything else if they can’t stop you?

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    What up, BET! You know what today is?

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    Some of y’all don’t seem to realize that your typical basketball player spends half their time on the floor playing defense. That’s more than they spend with the ball in their hands, generally speaking. Dwight may not be as polished offensively as Yao or Bosh but he’s a lot more dominating defensively than either one (yes even Yao).

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ryan: Not arguing, just debating. Arguing is when it gets personal. I’m not trying to win. Just agree to disagree.

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    no B.Long, what?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    when was Rodman in his prime? He was an excelling defender as a Piston, a Spur, and a Bull. His laker days, not as much.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Where Basketball B Longs Grand Opening day, homie! I thought you had the caledar marked.

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  • http://www.myspace.com/mack_iz_soo_fn_flyy MackSoFly

    Sheed should be better than Superman because he locked him up for the last couple years straight sweeps

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  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    You have to be Tupac to use a pager, dude.

  • Ryan.T.

    You see…. People continually talk about Howards defense, but he can be kept from putting up numbers himself. It’s crazy.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    but that would make me dead. So i am a fu(kin zombie? If i am, i am the flyest, sexxiest, coolest, aliveist zombie of all time.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    TAD, I don’t understand what you’re saying about Dwight being unstoppable and whatnot. He’s a 20 ppg guy. I don’t care if it’s dunks, lay ups, jump hooks, half court shots… he drops 20 per. Therefore he’s not unstoppable.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    No Ryan T, you are crazy. If you think you, or anyone else will be able to stop a 7 footer with Vince Carter hops and Rodman/KG like rebounding ability on both offensive and defensive glass, you are bonkers. If you think that 20 regular season points per game, 18 all star points per game, and 17 playoff points for game is bad, you are bannanas.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Z last year dwight made 529 field goals and only took a total of 897. If he had gotten as many as attempts as say Kobe (1,690), his numbers would be much higher.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Comparing Kobe and Dwight is like comparing Ferraris to Tanks.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i am just saying Dwight didnt get as many shots off as other top 10 players. Since their is a high chance Kobe is #1, i decided to check how many shots he took. I am not comparing playing styles, just the amount of shots each player took.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    I know your smarter than that BET. I just didn’t want any stupidity to get started. We’ve had enough of that on this comment section today.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    true.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    also if i ever say anything along the lines of ‘if dwight played SG tommorow, he would be a beast’ you have persmission to jump thru the computer and cut off my fingers and burn my keyboard.

  • scott

    Dwight Howard > Amare Stoudemire

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    You need to read my new article on my page, homie. E loved it.

  • scott

    Doesn’t it feel like Howard is capable of doing more? I’m not trying to say 21 and 14 isn’t impressive it just feels like Howard hasn’t even scratched his potential.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i dont have time, i am working on a masterpiece for my site. THis is the first one i ever pre-wrote.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    To get back to an earlier point about Yao and Dwight, of course injury prone-ness is factored in—especially when one guy has missed 25 games per season the last three years straight and the other guy HASN’T MISSED A SINGLE GAME IN HIS CAREER EVER.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Scott, he just needs more shots. Read my comments.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Z: Just using emphasis. No one is unstoppable.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Dwight is getting his Brett Farve on.

  • scott

    Does everybody forget how much Howard improved from the 06-07 season to last year? Howard is quite deserving of this honor his only real flaw is his FT%. Any team in the league would trade their big man for Dwight Howard.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    BET, the reason he didn’t get more shots is because he doesn’t have as many options. There’s only so many alley oops and hooks he can have and can’t exactly fool the defense when he’s limited offensively. more than likely his FG% would suffer if he took more shots at this stage of his career.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Scott… turnovers are still a problem for him, so turnovers and free throw shooting are his biggest problems.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    No, its because Hedo Turkologuo, Rashard Lewis, Jameer Nelson, and others need to get their shine on too.

  • scott

    @RV…I know you like Yao at this point over Howard. Howard improved a lot from 06-07 who is to say he doesn’t make another leap in 08-09?

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Yeah, they didn’t give Rashard Lewis $500 billion dollars to just feed the post and get out of the way.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    and not every team would trade their big man for Howard, most, but not all, that’s already been discussed today

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Dammit, that “dollars” was unnecessary, but given the amount maybe it’s best to double-dip for emphasis.

  • scott

    @RV…Sorry didn’t read the comments today. Too dam many.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    I wouldn’t trade Andrew Bynum for Dwight. (waits for it)

  • scott

    @Russ…Where was Rashard Lewis in the top 50? Rashard Lewis > Josh Howard.

  • scott

    @B. Long…That is a good one.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    scott…i didn’t mention Yao for a reason and that’s because what i said has NOTHING to do with Yao. Writing the truth about Howard is not hating in him.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    thats why b.long is not a GM

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    No, they gave Rashard all that money to feed the post, run out to the 3-point line, and get out of Hedo’s way.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    BET, think about it, if Dwight really would stay THAT efficient (59%+) shooting 30 shots a game, then Magic would be stupid not to feed him 30 times every single game. They realize his limitations and that’s exactly why they overpaid Rashard, they knew they needed another guy who could score and JUST score because that’s all Rashard does.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Yeah, so why did the Rockets get TMAC, Mike James, Aaron Brooks, and Ron Artest. With that theroy, they aquired them because Yao cant score, AND got Artest because Yao cant defend? Is Chuck Hayes their because Yao cant rebound? Basketball is not 1 on 5. Teams need more than one scorer. I am not even a Magic fan, but your argument does not make sence to me.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    No, they got them because that’s how you win a championship, if the Magic ever want to get there they are gonna need more help also……you can’t win in this league anymore without 3 stars

  • TS

    why isnt hedo on this this??…he hasnt been the greatest in the past and hes only gettin better…after this past year i think hes top 50

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    I know I’m gonna be viewed as biased being a Lakers fan and all but after watching Andrew in quite a bit of preseason action, if that knee holds up he’ll be one of the top centers in the league this year possibly the top. He looks like he’s added about 20 pounds of muscle and his showing a crazy amount of post moves for someone who use to just catch and dunk. I really hope I don;t jinx this guy.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    BET, writing never makes sense when you don’t read it completely/carefully. There’s a reason why I added the word “overpaid”. The Rockets didn’t pull a desperate move like that in acquiring Tmac or Ron. Both moves were more than reasonable.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Extremely biased. But thanks for the update.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    B Long, i dont think its biased, he was doing well before the injury and i can only imagine he put in more work this offseason. Extra muscle always helps too. Unless you’re Kevin Willis and you shoot like a T-rex.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Yeah right RV. Magic>Rockets C-Howard PF-Rashard Lewis SF- Hedo SG- Micheal Pietrus PG- Jameer Nelson is better than any array the Rockets can throw up.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Betcats is a closet Magic fan, that’s the only reason why you’d actually believe that.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    “RV says:
    BET, writing never makes sense when you don’t read it completely/carefully. There’s a reason why I added the word “overpaid”. The Rockets didn’t pull a desperate move like that in acquiring Tmac or Ron. Both moves were more than reasonable.” You talk about money wasting, lets not forget your Rockets gave STROMILE SWIFT a giant contract. The Stro Show? Talk about one dimensonal. TMAC not a desperation move? Are you kidding me! Ron Ron not a desperation move? You are delivring me some stand up comedy right now or something? Since nobody gives 1/2 a sh!t about the Magic, i guess i will play devil’s advocate. Regular Season: Rockets>Magic Post Season: Magic>Rockets.

  • scott

    I’m not sold on Andrew Bynum. It took him a long time to recover from a minor injury. Bynum had a decent 1/2 of a season. Lets not compare him to Dwight Howard. Yet.

  • scott

    Bynum is a great talent just gotta question his motivation.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    RV if i was a fan of anything you would know it.

  • scott

    I do believe Howard is more valuable then Yao but to stay Orlando is better then Houston is stretching quite a bit. Houston is real solid if they stay healthy.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    How many people in here would have given that much money to Rashard? How many people in here would have ok’ed Artest for Greene/jax trade and a tmac/howard for cato/francis/cat trade? You’ll find you’re answer will be in the minority..

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Rashard wasn’t a “desperate” move, they simply signed the best free agent to the biggest deal possible. He was gonna get max money from SOMEONE, and Orlando decided to roll the dice. Somehow I doubt the thinking was: “Oh man, Dwight isn’t as good as we thought. We need to get help, fast! Who’s out there?” “Hm, Rashard Lewis is a free agent.” “GIVE HIM $150 MILLION QUICK BEFORE DWIGHT GETS EXPOSED!!!!” “Um, OK.”

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    PP over Howard . . . this is daring.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    And look up Swift’s contract and compare it to Rashard’s. I’d look for it myself to prove how lopsided that comparison is, but you’re the one who threw it out there. I hope you realize the rashard deal leaves the Magic with a LOT LESS flexibility than the swift deal left for Houston.

  • scott

    That is a good point Moose. Can somebody explain to me why Pierce is ahead of Howard?

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Rashard is a sweet-shooting 6-10 forward who didn’t get nearly as much attention as he should have because he was playing in Seattle. He’s never been in trouble, he’s hardly ever hurt, and he was coming off his third straight 20+ ppg season where he shot over 38 percent from downtown. And he just turned 29 this summer. Shard was gonna get PAID.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Honestly, the Rockets should have tried to dump Mac and go after Shard themselves. He’s more or less the perfect complement to a dominant big man.

  • scott

    Exactly Russ so why wasn’t Lewis top 50 again?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Oh yeah, I said this yesterday, But I’ma say it again. For those of you who haven’t read my Timberwolves preview on Bachi, click my name and read it. And the number of comments is disappointingly low, too. Let’s get that going!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    I can always count on Russ to exaggerate…i think you know what i meant russ, obviously dwight “not being as good” wasn’t the issue, but they knew he wasn’t up there offensively and there’s no way to know if he’ll ever be. They HAD to roll the dice. I call that desperate.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Rashard was one of those 20 or so guys rattling around the 40-60 area. In the end it was just a matter of different people liking different players. Would it make you feel better if I told you he was No. 52? I’d be lying, since we didn’t go that far, but I’ll tell you that anyway.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    RV, it doesnt change facts what you have just said. Lots of people will ok the Rashard Lewis signing. He is instant offense. What did the Rockets need when they got TMAC? Instant offense! You are the one who said that signing instant offense is a ‘desperation move’ what about trading for it? And you can compare contracts all you want, but Rashard can do more than JUST shoot threes. All Stro can do is dunk. It is beyond him to do anything else. Magic>Rockets until you prove me round. And Dwight has BEEN OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND more times than Yao and TMAC cominded. Taste that, Apple Sauce!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Exactly Scott..dude can’t even get on this list but he deserves that much money? Desperation..

  • Steph

    So the Suns have 2 top 10 players?
    Interesting….
    Dirk should have been in the top 10.

  • scott

    Thanks Russ I do feel better.

  • scott

    Correction Steph…Phoenix and Boston have 2 each of the top 9.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Dwight scores 20 a game on a team where you have two other guys who need the ball and a lot of shots.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    And RV, if anyone’s exaggerating here it’s you. You said yourself that every team needs at least two or three star players if they expect to contend. What were the Magic supposed to do, sign filler until Kobe or LeBron was available? It wasn’t “desperation,” it was a case of “hey, this guy is the best free agent available, let’s lock him down.” I would venture to say it had nothing to do with Dwight’s limitations as you perceive them as much as it had to do with getting a Mr. Outside to go with their Mr. Inside. They saw a chance and they took it.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    out of the top 15 highest paid players in the league right now, 3 guys didn’t make this list. Marbury, Francis, and Rashard. I’m not saying these guys are comparable, but it does scream overpaid.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    RV desperation and overpaying are 2 different things. Were the Lakers making a ‘desperation move’ when they gave Shaq huge contracts? No, they made a smart move that lead to a 3peat

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    and i meant comparable in their level of play

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    No, it screams “this guy signed a max deal last summer.” You’re reaching so hard you’re gonna strain something.

  • scott

    Betcats…Orlando will probably win the southeast by default they could be the only team with a winning record. That will get them a top four seed and probably into the second round of the playoffs. Houston if everything clicks has a chance to win the West. I know it is a big IF with Houston but they got a better squad then Orlando.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Steve Francis is on your team RV. And you still havent addressed me on the fact that ‘desperation moves’ these Orlando Magic have made led to them getting out of the first round. What has the TMAC trade or any other petty move your Rockets have done since Yao got drafted done for them in anything other than the regular season?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    OK, Pierce is too high, Nash is too high, Deron’s too low.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    BET read the Wolves preview.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    BET…you’re not exactly making a case for desperation and overpaying being two diff things because the shaq signing was neither overpaying or desperation…thats a guy who was dominant at the time and pretty much guaranteed you a great shot at a ring. He deserved the money he got.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    RV, Shaq didn’t deliver by a long shot. He COULD’VE deserved the money. They thought he did at the time.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Scott, thats your opionon. But right now Dwight>Yao, Rashard Lewis>whatever the Rockets call a power forward , Hedo>Ron Artest, TMAC>Micheal Pietrus, Jameer Nelson = Rafer Alston. Advantage: Magic.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    What does Francis being in Houston have to do with this? They’re only paying him like 1 or 2 mil.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    BET, you’re comparing getting out of the first round in the west vs the east, enough said…

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    RV you are not making a good case for anything. Like i said, i dont even care about the Magic, i am just a fact evaluator. You are a Rockets fan, i am not seeing any strong arguments. Where you at RV? Rashard Lewis, Hedo, and Dwight got to the 2nd round. What did Yao, tmac, and the boys do last year? First round bye bye. What will they do this year? I am not nostradamus, but probaly the same thing.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Yeah, you guys lost to Utah? Utah? And Orlando beat down Toronto. Toronto and Utah are just about as good. Calderon is a better playmaker (not player but playmaker) then Deron Williams, and Chris Bosh is just as good as Carlos Boozer. IF Yao is as good as you say he is, how come he couldnt contain Memo Okur?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Moose, i was assuming Shaq got the money prior to the 3peat based on BET’s comments, but now that you mention it, i don’t remember when he got the money, so you might have a point there.

  • scott

    Betcats…If Orlando was in the West they would not be getting out of the first round. If Houston can stay healthy you don’t think Houston is getting out of the first round?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    BETCATS, you gotta add in the benches. And here it really is: Dwight=Yao, Rashard Lewis>Luis Scola, Hedo>Artest, Mcgrady>Pietrus, Nelson=Alston. But factor in the benches and houston wins.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    I guess the Magic having the their full squad and Houston having Rafer and Yao out automatically means the Magic are better overall than Houston right?? Put houston in the east with a healthy team and they get past the 1st round also, thats not saying much.

  • LordKratos08

    I think Dwight deserves a higher ranking. He has improved in every category and he’s never missed a damn game in 4 years! I’m still waiting for a faceup jumper but I guess He will figure that out soon in the next 3 years (Amare figured it out around 2 to 3 years ago and he is 4 years older so do the math!) Next year I’m expecting he will be top 5 around here. My two cents! Peace out!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    alright RV, state your case in 1 comment why the Rockets are better than the Magic, and why Yao is better than Dwight. THen i will give my rebutal, you will give your rebutal, and we will call it a day. Unorganized debates give me a head ache

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    BETCATS, right now, Boozer>Bosh, but by the end of the season that notion will be thrown out the window.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    and this isnt an alternate history assignment, dont tell me about Magic in the west or Houston in the east. I want real facts, not crazy dreams.

  • scott

    @Moose…I think you can throw it out the window now.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Toronto the same as Utah?? You’re comparing a team that almost reached the finals to a team who can’t even get to the conf finals?? A 41-41 team in the EAST to a 54-28 team in the WEST? C’mon BET, you’re better than that…

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Ok everyone sacrifices to a certain extent on a team. If Shard was the focal point of the f*cking knicks or grizzlies he would be putting up 25 a night and maybe he earns the paycheck that rv apparently signs? Instead he contributes to a team with a legit shot to go to the conference finals and takes pressure off his teams dominate center. What an assh*le, he should have taken the money and the numbers f*ck winning.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    scott, Boozer has been better than Bosh. Mid season this year, we can throw it away. Bosh needs to prove himself more. and I agree with RV . . . I’m out y’all, and it’s friday nite so I ain’t coming back. Read the Wolves preview on Bachi!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i was comparing stars, utah has a better bench/supporting cast and a crazier coach.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    BET, if i say the Rockets would have won in the east that’s crazy dreams, but you saying the current Magic would take anything the current Houston team throws at them isn’t?? Are you basing this on a video game, because your comment isnt “real facts”, they haven’t even played this year, hell the season hasn’t even started..

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i am bassing it off head to head player comparisons via nba.con

  • slamfan4life

    this guy is a BEAST, i saw bulls trade their whole roster (except Rose) for this guy

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Are you serious BET… Why in the blue hell wouldn’t Houston be better than Orlando. You don’t even need proof to answer a stupid question like that.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Bryan, answering so many different post at 100 mph caused me to overemphaasize “desperation”. I still think it was desperate though. Definitely not as desperate as Russ tried to explain, but do you not agree he was overpaid? Yes, on a grizz team where he actually scores 25 plus it wouldnt be overpaid…but they did have the option to wait another 2 or 3 years for bigger free agents who truly deserved the max. I don’t think thats too crazy of an idea when other teams are doing it as well. Its not like the rashard move vaulted them into th finals.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Bahahaha he says Hedo Turkoglu is better than Ron Artest. Are you kidding me? What NBA have you been watching?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    BET, in that case, i guess you failed to mention houston held Dwight to 9 boards a game last year, the lowest any opponent held him to. I dont even think Yao played one of those games either..

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And also, the eastern playoffs aren’t comparable to the western playoffs. Put Orlando against Houston, the Rockets will win. Enough said.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, a free JJ Reddick is like charging you money.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    He fits their team, I don’t agree he’s overpaid who am I to make that call? The magic knew what they were getting explosive shooting and scoring occasional rebounding and a defense stretcher. That’s why they paid what they paid, also no one expected Hedo to get nearly 20 a game he jumped from 13 ro 19 that’s 6 points a game that may have been rashard’s , but instead of being selfish he let his average take a hit for the betterment of the team. The magic made the call to pay whatever and I don’t think they’re disapointed they improved from one season to the next.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    and head to head means nothing in this case since Ron playing in Sac and Barry in SA don’t translate to both of them in Houston. I hope you compared the bench as well because the Magic are suiting up guys like Redick and Battie, while Houston has Artest(battier is the starter) and Landry.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Teddy went on a posting binge. I was just playing devils advocate BUT i still belive that the Orlando Magic are better than the Houston Rockets. You can beg to differ all you want. Also Teddy, Hedo is better than Ron Ron. It is a fact. Hedo is a much better offensive player, can rebound, and is a decent defender. Ron Ron has that lockdown defence, but could never compare to Hedo offensivly or rebounding wise.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Yeah RV, you chose the 2 worse dudes on Orlando’s bench and compared them to the 2 best on yours. You are keeping itFair and Balanced like Fox ‘News’

  • Emphasis

    I’m sorry, but you can’t be serious with this. I don’t think Dwight Howard has made a shot that’s not a dunk in his NBA career. Really. I’m not joking. You can’t be a good basketball player if you can’t shoot the ball. It’s that simple. Dwight might be the best ATHLETE in the League, but as far as one of the most talented, he’s no where close. Dirk and Yao are both better basketball players than Dwight. I’d take Pau Gasol over him.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    ^Emphasis appears to be from Europe. But Dwight has a more than just dunking abilities. IT is not a Center’s job to take shots though. That is why we have Shooting Guards and Small Forwards. IF Dwight had to become a shooter, the Magic would hire a coach to help him devleop a jump shot, but he doesnt need one. Dwight is a presence in the post, if you dont agree, he just hasnt man-handled you yet.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    like the old saying goes ‘if it aint broke, dont fix it’, as long as Dwight can leap, he will never need a jump shot because he will just overpower you.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    You’d take Pau…what? If the Magic offered Dwight for Pau, Kobe would stuff Pau into a box, take him to FedEx, and pay for the shipping out of his own pocket.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Bryan, i agree with that, right now it seems to have paid off, but i think its safe to say they knew the move wasn’t going to make them an instant title contender. To get there they need a bit more help and for Dwight to get another 2 yrs of experience and improvement. by that time Lewis and Dwight will be making almost 45 mil combined. Jameer will be at almost 8, that’s almost 53 mil. That seems a lot to me for those guys given that Rashard is one dimensional and dwight may never reach his potential offensively. If Hedo opts out this year that’s going a few steps backward and could possibly put them back were they were prior to signing Rashard. Had they not gambled on Rashard, they would be looking at a big free agent market in 2010 with a huge amount of cap space and with Dwight being a main attraction, they would have a big shot at a proven superstar and not rashard. I know i’m not a GM or an owner, so in the NBA world my opinion means squat, but then same could be said for every one else’s opinion here. The point is for my argument to make sense as we sit here throwing scenarios and opinions back and forth..and i think it does

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Yeah RV, but they wouldnt have made the 2nd round last year, and Hedo would be more heavly guarded at all times, so he probably would have an empty trophy spot in his trophy case right now.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Bet i’m sorry, i was so unfair in picking the two worst guys on the Magic bench. would you prefer I give you anthony johnson and Foyle instead?? Keith Bogans? Fine. Houston has Artest and Landry, Magic have Bogans and Foyle.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    The people who think Hedo is better than Artest are on crack. That is all.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Russ, i’m pretty sure Kobe would buy a jet just to make sure he could deliver him personally

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay BET. This season, watch our Rockets kick the living sh!t out of the Magic. Not that we need proof on this matter anyways… Also, I really don’t see how you can say Tukoglu is better than QB’s Finest, when last season Artest lead him in points, rebounds, steals, and blocks, albeit by a relatively small margin. Still, that pretty much cancels out every argument you’ve made.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    LMAO @ Russ.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    BET, Artest averages 5-6 boards, Hedo about 4-5…..should i go on?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    And I like BETCATS.
    But that was a crackish statement.
    If you truly believe Hedo has more offensive game then Artest, you’ve never actually watched Artest play for a long period of time. Hell, just check out their career numbers.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    first of all, since when is Shane Battier starting over Ron Artest? That is a lie. 2nd of all Courtney Lee, Bryan Cook, JJ Reddick(if he can finaly get his shot to fall), Keith Bogans, and Anthony Johnson aint half bad. Carl Landry? Are you serious? He was a great contributior, great role player, and showed lots of hustle last year, but he is still a role player.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Rocket fans are so adorable.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    He’s a role player off the bench
    And he’s better than everybody on the Magic bench. You’re reaching BETCATS. I thought you had a good argument that RV was reaching when he said the Magic signed Rashard to hide Dwight’s flaws, but now you’re going crazy saying the Magic are better than Houston.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Teddy, i am not a Magic fan. I am just defending them from the Rockets fans, because you guys would be having a ball right now if you could just rip them. And since when can you tell the future? Since when can anyone? I just use head to head comparisons and other assets from NBA.com, you are relying on things that still havent happened.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And as for roster, the Rockets starting five is obviously better than the Magics starting five, individually and by team chemistry too. @ RV: Not to mention the Rockets bench also includes Aaron Brooks, Joey Dorsey, DJ Strawberry, Brent Barry, Mike Harris, Chuck Hayes, and Von Wafer (the dude shoots a smooth 3 ball). That’s about as tough a bench as you can get, especially when you include Ron Artest and Carl Landry… Damn son.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    BET, look at Artest’s career numbers compared to Hedo’s. The Magic would trade Hedo for Artest straight up without blinking.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    So any team who sign a guy to a max contract and don’t win a championship the following year are desperate failures. Is that what we’re thinking here? I’m sure it would have been easy for the Magic to sell Dwight and their fanbase on “hey, just chill for the next couple years until we can maybe sign Dwyane or LeBron or Kobe.” That would have gone over well.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    I am just presenting an argument Allenp. Who knows if i actually belive it? (psst i dont), i just want to let the Rockets fans squrim a little, because if i wasnt doing this nobody would be doing this and this would be all about how Yao got robbed (but i do belive Dwight is slightly better, not this much better, but it is not my list)

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Teddy, the Magic jell togther. They still made the 2nd round eastern confrence my @ss, they did what Yao and TMAC have yet to do.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    BET, Battier is starting since Rick Adelman said so 3 weeks ago. Please don’t make me look for the news story, just trust me on this, i live in houston, and know i probably know more about them than anyone on this board…Battier is hurt but is suppose to be back by opening night to get his starting spot. Adelman said he plans to stick to that for now, he didn’t completely rule out Artest starting down the line, but also said he’d prefer to have Ron coming off the bench.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Um, I don’t think they would Allenp. Hedo has Artest whipped in the common-sense and team chemistry department.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I would rather have Dwight because he’s a better rebounder and defender and isn’t injury prone. Yao got exposed in the Utah series the Magic lost in seven in my mind. He couldn’t dominate offensively and was a disaster defensively trying to stay with either Boozer or Okur. Y’all is good, but I would much rather have Dwight.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    TAD, you are tripping. Talent trumps all that stuff. Plus, Artest is not a bad teammate. He was a good teammate in Chicago and good teammate early in Indiana. I guarantee you that 90 percent of the players int he league would love to play with Ron Artest.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Allenp, the Magic lost to the Pistons in the 2nd round, they beat Toronto in the first.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    BET, as everybody has said, the Magic’s playoff success against the Raptors wasn’t impressive to me. I’m confident that Houston, who was without Yao, would have beaten Toronto as well.
    The Magic are a good team. Dwight is better than Yao. But, Houston is the better overall team top to bottom.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    russ, when you stop exaggerating so much, then i’ll be more than glad to answer your specific posts, but I know i’ve admitted my overreaction and stated my view clearly in one of the recent comments,so if you didnt read it then please do and quit raising my comments a billion levels of exaggeration

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    ^^^ You won’t say that when they start the hack of Dwight.
    Also BET: Okay, have the Magic play the Utah Jazz in the first round, then see if they ‘jell’ as well.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Russ loves hyperbole like fat kids love cake. Lol.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Maybe so allenp, but I didn’t see any GM’s or owners tripping over themselves to get Artest for relatively reasonable contract and the Kings not asking for much in return.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Alright well i made my argument for a team i knew nothing about until today pretty effetivly. Sure their were some flaws but i dont care about the Magic. It made for intresting discussion though. As far as the Rockets fans go, i have respect for your team, i was just presenting an argument. Sorry if i disrespected you guys too much. When not trying to make an argument i belive Dwight Howard>>>Yao Rockets>Magic, but i am trying to make an argument. Just wanted to make that clear.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Its a really open ended debate, but Dwight is NOT better than Yao.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Notice I said every player. Players determine chemistry, not GMs. No GMS wanted to sign Rodman from the Spurs, but Jerry Krause took a chance and that worked out just fine.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    By ^^^ I was really talking to Allenp, but oh well.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Allenp, the Bulls had Micheal Jordan and Scottie Pippen to keep Rodman in check. BUT Ron Ron is not a lockeroom cancer. I could waste a lot of time explaining how a certian four letter news outlet (its name scrabled is N P S E) likes to villify Ron Artest, even though Ron is just a good person who makes bad choices. He is not a bad person. If he was a bad person, he would be in much more trouble, and not repent for anything that he has done. Ron has said always sorry, and always trys to act better. He hasnt done anything crazy recently. He problay wont do anything crazy agian, but dont tell ESPN that.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    If the Magic didn’t give Rashard a max contract, someone else would have. Period. He averaged 20+ ppg the previous three seasons and has always been a deadeye three-point shooter. On paper at least, he was the PERFECT complement to Dwight. Look, cap flexibility is great, but at some point you have to go all-in. And who’s to say that someone like D Wade or LeBron would want to play alongside a guy like Dwight? Each of those guys (rightly so) would want to be the centerpiece of the offense. And given the relative weakness of the East, maybe the Magic thought that a one-two punch of Dwight and Shard would be enough get them to the Finals. Is that so crazy? Is that desperation? Is that hyperbole? You tell me.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    alright i am done here.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    peace. also co-sign Russ.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    and let me make it clear that just because i’m a rocket’s fan doesn’t mean i believe Yao is Superman or sumn…for some reason i keep getting accused of picking Yao over dwight for EVERY possible scenarion out there. Ive said before that I only have Yao > Dwight based on current overall talent and nothing more. Not counting injuries. Now if you ask me to take injuries and wear and tear into account then i’d be a fool to say Yao. I’ve admitted that several times…

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Russ, I understand your argument and co-sign. However, I do think the Magic payed slightly more than any other team was willing to offer and ended up bidding against themselves. Now, i’m not saying that it won’t work out, it has only been one season. I’m quite sure Rashard will prove to be worth the coin in the near future.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    russ, what’s wrong with another team giving up max money for Rashard…my argument is Rashard is overpaid as a Magic, but as THE guy on aother team then he wouldnt be.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    and that’s not hyperbole, but your previous comments were…..but i think given the current trend of having 3 stars or so to a team gives the Magic a great shot at landing a Wade or Lebron. They could each still be the focal point in the offense since Dwight is built more for D and could possibly never take an offensive role consistently like a Kobe/Wade/Lebron could. Lebron wants a ring. Wade is itching to bet back on top. Yes, being the one and only star has its perks, but those guys want a ring bad enough to share the spotlight with another superstar.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Russ, if you don’t think that Bron would want Dwight in Ohio right now… you’re the one that’s reaching.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    I agree with Tad, what he said was my original point, i went overboard with the “desperation” stuff like i admitted earlier, but there had to be some desperation for them to overbid like that and so soon. If Rashard was more defensive minded and not as good of a scorer/shooter, but still considered as talented, would they have still pulled the trigger? I think they wouldnt, at least not that high.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Bron would take Dwight in Ohio in a second, but would he sign with Orlando? Here’s the thing—you can wait around for the best-case scenario, but sometimes it never happens. Remember when the Bulls were gonna sign Tracy McGrady and Tim Duncan? Yeah, me too. They ended up with Ron Mercer and Eddie Robinson. By signing Rashard Lewis, the Orlando Magic felt like they had a shot at the reaching the Finals NOW. Not three years from now, not in some fantasyland future that might never come. RIGHT NOW. Did they overpay? Yeah, sure. Just like the Blazers overpaid for Zach Randolph and the Suns overpaid for Stephon Marbury and the Bulls overpaid for Ben Wallace and on and on and on and on. Will the Rashard/Dwight duo win a title in Orlando? Maybe not. But as all those previous examples have taught us, there’s always someone willing to take your max contract off your hands. And the motivating factor wasn’t desperation. Aspiration, perhaps. And what’s wrong with that?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Well, they signed him for 7 years, so I don’t know that they sold out just for NOW, but they definitely did if NOW is considered as the nest 3-4 years.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    *next

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Z, when you said “ohio” you’re argument went down the drain

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Which opened a seven-year window. At the end of it, Dwight will be all of 29 years old, right in the middle of his prime.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    That makes no sense Rv a player is who is. He either is worth the money or not. He does what he is supposed to do, hits open shots runs the floor and doesn’t make waves. The numbers in this case are not relavant.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    russ, once again, there had to be some desperation, there definitely was some asperation, but i dont believe you can rule out desperation….its not so much that they signed Rashard and crossed their fingers that he’d blow up, but that they paid too much and too quickly. How many other teams could have matched the offer?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Bryan, are you talking about money numbers or stats? Or both. How can they not be relevant? A GM/owner has to build a complete team, you have to plan, the numbers have to be taken into account.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    RV: The “desperation” word throws me off too. Hell, you could say that about any team trying to lure a high profile free agent. Now, they may have been overzealous in their approach to get him, but it’s not like they would have been terrible if they didn’t sign him.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Again with the desperation! Desperation of or for what, exactly? Were they going to get relegated? Was the cap money going to go away? Did Dwight say “GIVE RASHARD LEWIS THE MAX OR I’M QUITTING TO PURSUE MY TRUE PASSION OF LINE DANCING?” I don’t understand the desperation angle at all. Rashard was the best free agent, and it was determined that he should get a max deal. The Magic targeted him early and locked him up as soon as they could. You’re confusing surety with desperation. Was the seventh year excessive? Sure. But I don’t think it was a case of “OMG if we don’t sign Rashard we’re through let’s give him all our money.” It’s just the nature of the NBA these days. I mean, the Nets gave VC $65 million when no one else would have done it. Were they desperate? The Knicks gave Allan Houston $100 million. Was that desperation? I just don’t see “desperation” being a cause at all.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    RV, I’m not sure I understood your 6:53 comment.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Tad, how about “rushed”? Looking back on it, they made the Rashard move the same week they extended Howard. Is it possible Howard would not have signed an extension if the Magic didn’t get help? Its possible the Magic thought so and rushed to sign Lewis to they could lock down Dwight. Had Dwight been under contract for several more years they may have waited for the 2010 FA class.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Russ i hadn’t seen your 7:04 comment when i made my 7:07 comment but i think it answers your question

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Z: Since Lebron is from Ohio and is already settled there, it would be easier for him to say “yes i want dwight here in ohio”, than for him to say “yes i’ll go to Orlando to join Dwight”.

  • Orlando

    ahhhh….noo

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    i’m out for now, but once again, i’m setting up the SLAMonline fantasy league and there’s still at least 3 spots open, click my name to get more info/sign up…our draft will be soon so don’t think twice….(eboy i dont think i’ve received a response from you so let me know if i should save a spot)

  • LAN

    omg i cant believe he’s only 10! i would have had him 5 and definatly above amare!(no amare hate either)

  • http://www.mckennamagic.blogspot,com D-Mac

    sesa that was so so stupid

    howard eats bynum for breakfast

  • Dwyane

    This is almost as stupid as putting Iverson at 18th. This List Sucks and i think alot of people agree with me

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    400!

  • j-smoov 5

    Hahahah LOVE the J.J. Redick part. :D Oh, and Dwayne, this list is great. AI’s aging idiot.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    ^^^^^^^^ regardless, he should have been ranked ahead of Melo.

  • Boomdizzle

    dwight is a monster and a good post defender but he aint good against the likes of sheed or KG unlike amare who is!howard still has to get a bank shot like TD’s or somethin to improve! by the way the list for me is as good as what the top 5 will project. i envision 1)kobe 2)lebron 3)CP3 4)KG 5)Amare (he’s gonna be 100% this year finally, barring any setbacks)

  • willlllly

    are you kidding, this list is so badly done, paul peirce wouldnt be in my top 20 and yet he is at least in the top 9 on this list, dwight should be in the top 5, nash should of been named before the top ten

  • KA

    lol at bible spewing doll comes with jj reddick. that pic makes dwight look like a retard tho. btw amares ahead of dude right? im down witdat.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    Bet is da man, Rocket fans is just annoying.

  • Gaz

    Jeff Fox’s article= Gold
    BETCATS article= Sh!t

  • KA

    also this comment section is informative in telling us that james the balls is a damn fool.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Another gem from Gaz. Personal vendetta maybe?

  • tike

    OMG all this guy does is DUNK i mean veryone knows hes a good player but Top 10 geez SLAM bunch of d*ck riders!!….oh and if P-double aint coming up soon im gonna scream the guy is not that nice!!

  • tike

    SLAM really cooks my grits!! i dare that bug eyed number 34 2 be less than 8-9…no more SLAM for me if so….not that they care if they lose fans of the mag…

  • tike

    And off D-wade should be ahead of CP3 if he isnt then really shoot me!!

  • Ecmelo

    ohhhh…..dwight howard is the best center on this planet…and you put him on 10!!!!
    hahahahahah
    this list realllyyy reaallyy SUCKS!!!
    soorryy but its true

  • Jaylen Rose

    My Guess
    1.LeBron
    2.Kobe
    3.C3P
    4.KG
    5.Flash
    6.Duncan
    7.Nash
    8.Amare
    9.Pierce

  • Ecmelo

    hahahaahah….amare and duncan are NOT better than D12:D:D
    he’s the best Center!!!!!

  • Nikos Galis

    @Emphasis….:there is no doubt that Gasol is a better bball player than Howard (i won’t insult Yao and Dirk by comparing them to Dwight…)but you have to have two things in mind in order to understand what’s going on here:
    1)it is an NBA top-50.(NOT: “best 50 bball players alive”)
    2)we are participating on a SLAM forum with 70% of the commentors having a “videogame/AND-1″ bball education.

  • Ecmelo

    and here is my guess:
    9. Tim Duncan
    8. Paul Pierce
    7. Steve Nash
    6. Amare Stoudemire
    5. D-Wade
    4. KG
    3. Chris Paul
    2. Kobe Bryant
    1. LeBron James

  • Nikos Galis

    @Ecmelo…:i bet you would have put James White first if he was still in the NBA…

  • Tekno

    Hmm…Who was the best big man during the gold medal game in the Olympics? Pau Gasol. Who was the second best? Marc Gasol.
    Dwight does not deserve to be this high just yet.
    If Timmy gets a worse ranking than Amare or PP, then I’m boycotting Slamonline for one month just to detox myself.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Tekno….:Gasol better than our dunkers..?????
    watch your words on this forum young man….

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    TOP 10!The fact that hes never missed a game doesn’t get mentioned enough

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    “Darksaber says:
    Another gem from Gaz. Personal vendetta maybe?”
    No, Ga(y)z just hates me for no reason. It just started hating on me out of nowhere and i said it wasnt worth responding to. Then Ga(y)z got mad(er).

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i am volunteering for Obama today, i still cant vote, but i can inform others about early-voting on spot registration (registration for voting in the novemeber elections is closed), so i gotta jet. Peace.

  • Tekno

    @Nikos Galis…I never said either Gasol was a better player than our “dunkers” (as you so aptly put it). I was just making the point that in a big game D-12 had the chance to dominate with all that muscle, athleticism and whatever else we extol him for…and he didn’t. The best big men on the floor for that game were the Gasol brothers.
    So I’ll watch my words if you watch that game without your ‘dunking’ blinkers on.

  • WOOOZE

    Obama > BETCATS
    McCain > BETCATS
    Hillary Clinton’s dog > BETCATS
    Hillary Clinton’s dog’ sh1t > BETCATS

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    BETCATS>WOOZE

  • Anton

    Bosh is better than Dwight

  • Gaz

    Gee that was an original comment BETCATS…
    I dunno how you thought that hilarious piece of work up. Your brain is just a comedic maze.
    Stale urine > BETCATS

  • Gaz

    It sure is a personal vendetta Darksaber, enjoy…
    Darksaber > BETCATS

  • raptors

    if hes 10..then cb4 should be 9 unarguably

  • http://slamonline.com Chocolate Gum

    Why is DH #10 on the list? He’s been spending his whole off-season eating free McDonalds for doing that Monopoly commercial…..but no worries, he’s a beast and 5 Big Macs before a game won’t slow him down….he’s gonna average 23ppg and 15rbg this season

  • Lee

    Im a big fan of this guy.
    He has alot of potential to be an All-Star for many years to come.
    Definately HOF material, reminds me alot of David Robinson. Possibly can become even better than he was.

  • Brian Wimer

    I thought it is an NBA rule that know players are to wear a t-shirt under there jersey. Vince Carter had on a white t-shirt under his Black pinstripe jersey.I don’t have any problems with an player wearing a white t-shirt under their jersey, it just made Vince Carter stand out from the other players.

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