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Monday, October 20th, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  329 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: Dwyane Wade, no. 8

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Russ Bengtson

Dwyane Wade awakened with a start, nearly spilling a half-full red G2 all over his 3,700 thread-count Egyptian cotton sheets. Over on the nightstand, his Sidekick buzzed out the first few notes of an old Mike Jones song. Odd, Wade thought. That’s not what it’s supposed to be. Wade suspected Daequan Cook was the one who kept changing his ringtones, but had never caught him at it. Without lifting his head from his triple phat goosedown pillows or even opening his eyes, he reached out his arm and brought the phone to his ear.

“What, Chuck?”
“Chuck?”
“Yeah. Chuck. What?”
“This isn’t ‘Chuck’.”
“Who is it then?”
“Dr. Edmund Bertschinger, the physics department head at MIT. This is Dwyane Wade, right?”

With that Wade sat up, capping the G2 and setting it next to his iHome. Rubbed the sleep out his eyes.

“Oh right, right—Dr. Bertschinger. Thanks for getting back to me so soon. Did you figure that stuff out for me?”

“Yes, Dwyane. I had my team look into it. We went through it again and again, and no matter how many time we crunched the numbers, we concluded that there is absolutely no way you can fall down seven times and get up eight. It simply isn’t possible. I’m sorry. And as a theoretical astrophysicist, I explored EVERY possibility. Trust me. Oh yeah—can I be in your five?”

Bertschinger was still talking, but Wade had stopped listening. Crestfallen, he let the phone fall aw…

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Man, I’m sorry. There I go, just using Wade’s spot on this list to be all clever and look-at-me writery. My bad. Let me try this again.

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The first time we wrote about Dwyane Wade in SLAM, we spelled his name wrong. It was an honest mistake. Truly. He was still at Marquette then—not anywhere near a household name obviously—and spellcheck doesn’t help when it comes to proper names and who the heck spelled Dwayne “Dwyane” anyway? Yet in a world littered with Anfernees and Andrays we should have known better and double-checked.

Now? It’s the traditional “Dwayne” that looks wrong. And if Mr. Wade keeps playing the way he’s been playing, 20 years from now guys named Dwayne are gonna be the ones getting their name spelled wrong. Because familiarity will go the other way. All becau…

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Ah, that’s no good either. Personal reminiscence and still no real reasoning as to why he’s ahead of Player A or behind Player B. Maybe I should go to the numbers?

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31.

That’s how many games Dwyane Wade missed each of the past two seasons, thanks to an assortment of painful and surgically repaired reasons. It was all or nothing too—Wade averaged 37-plus minutes and 24-plus points per game in each of the 102 games he did play. Either Dwyane Wade played as Dwyane Wade, or he didn’t play at all. And in 2007 he averaged career highs in points (27.4) and assists (7.5) despite missing all of March and playing just five hobbled games in April.

15.

That’s how many games the Miami Heat won last season. In the 51 games Wade played, the Heat went 10-41, including a stretch from late December to late February where they lost 24 of 25. Yeesh. His best game of the season—a 48-point, 11-assist, seven-rebound effort in an overtime loss to Orlando—came during that stretch. He played nearly 52 minutes. Other great games produced similar results. Back-to-back December nights of 36, 10 and six against the Hawks and 41, six and five against the Nets resulted in two more losses. His last game of the season came on March 8th. He played 39 minutes and stacked up 24 points and eight assists. The Heat lost, dropping their record to 11-50. I would have taken the rest of the season off, too.

1.

That’s how many times Dwyane Wade has won Finals MVP. It’s also his number of NBA Championships and Olympic gold medals. He was the best player on the court in the summer of 2006 playing in Miami and Dallas alongside Shaquille O’Neal, and he was the best player on the court in the summer of 2008 playing in Beijing alongside Kobe Bryant and LeBron James. Olympic success doesn’t necessarily translate into NBA transcendence—see: Anthony, Carmelo—but all signs point to Wade being fully recovered from the injuries to his knee and shoulder that slowed him for so long.

77.

That’s the most games Dwyane Wade has ever played in an NBA season. It was his second season, his 24.1/6.8/5.2 breakout year. The following season he kicked it up yet another notch with a Jordanesque 27.2/6.7/5.7 line and the championship that had people wondering whether he was actually the class of the Class of ’03. Then came the injuries and the sweep at the hands of the overachieving Bulls and 10-41 and LeBron’s hey-Mike-look-at-me digits and there went the neighborhood.

8.

That’s the spot where we ranked Dwyane Wade. You probably don’t agree. His talent and career averages and Olympic performance place him higher, his injury history places him lower. His age—he turns an older-than-you-might-think 27 in January—places him right square in his prime.

So let’s see what happens next. Will he be able to resume his rugged game of controlled recklessness? Will his surgically repaired body hold up for >37 x 82? Will he mesh properly with a new coach and a new scorer and a new point guard? Will he bang and dunk and shoulder (NPI) his way right back into that LeBron/Kobe/CP3/TD/KG best-player-on-the-planet discussion?

I don’t know what the answers to those questions will be. He might come out of the gate on fire, energized by that gold, he might go down seven times and get up six. Either way, it’ll be fun to watch.

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  • http://www.gmail.com serevei

    FIRST!!!

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    should be top 5 after this summer

  • Young C

    You CAN fall down seven times and get up 8. When you wake up in the morning that counts as 1 time of getting up!

  • Joshblizz

    1st!

  • b

    1st

  • kas

    he’s a hellof a lot better than tim duncan

  • Michael

    hang on, has nash been yet?

  • http://slamonline.com whitechocolate

    ^Nope

  • adams

    My prediction: After suffering a torn shoelace some time in November Dwade will be transported to the hospital in an emergency submarine parked right outside the arena in Miami. He will miss the rest of the season which won’t keep him from filming annoying amounts of commercials and shooting 15 free throws a game from the bench. Also, he really likes to m@sturbate his ego while you guys watch. Suckers.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Money Bill Williams

    nice writeup Russ

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Great write up Russ. There’s no point in questioning a player’s rank at this point so if you guys say he’s 8, then he’s 8.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Since therankings were done pre-olympics, this is the right spot for Mr. Wade. I also didn’t realize he was 27.

  • Jiggy

    he’s already @ 8 even after 2 injury filled seasons…can get up to 4th by season’s end..

  • Edmond

    yeah, you can get up 8 times and fall 7 times. Think harder man. Geez. D-wade was a disappointment last season, hope he has a great one this season!

  • Squirrel7

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not hating on D-Wade, but his turnovers bug me. I know Eboy claims it’s because no-one else on the Heat can catch the ball, which may be partly true, but I also think his decision-making (regarding passes) is sometimes very suspect. And maybe even he didn’t try to draw contact every time he goes to the basket (rather than concentrating on making the bucket first), he wouldn’t spend quite so much time on the sidelines with injuries…..

  • Squirrel7

    *maybe if he didn’t try

  • Michael

    so nash/pierce 6 and 7

  • Jay

    nr 8 it is.

  • peteb80

    Worst three point shooting guard in NBA history, 4.5 turnovers per game. Respect!

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Ok this is the first one to actually piss me off. Paul Pierce is getting more overrated every f*cking day.

  • peteb80

    Oh, and the only person overestimating his abilities more than you guys is Douche-Wade himself.

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    Pagin’ Eboy…

  • Edmond

    1.) Paul
    2,) Bryant
    3.) James
    4.) Duncan
    5.) Garnett
    6.) Nash
    7.) Pierce

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I really am sorry D-wade. I have bash you and bashed you but you have proven me wrong. at least with your olympic performance. I want to see who is ahead of Wade and like Bryan said, I’m wondering where the hell is Paul Pierce going to end up? If he is not number 7, this is bullsh*t.

  • Costa

    BULLSH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Maybe Paul Pierce didn’t make the cut guys…….

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    1.Kb24
    2.LeBron
    3.CP3
    4.Garnett
    5.iRobot
    6.Nashty
    7.PP

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Almost, Edmond

    1.Lebron
    2.Bryant
    3.Paul
    4.Garnett
    5.Duncan
    6.Nash
    7.PP?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Billups wasn’t this damn overrated when he won the Finals MVP.

  • LISTEN LISTEN

    WHAT THE HELL???????????????

    Paul Pierce top 7 in the league??? WHAT THE HELL… SLAM what the hell are yall doing. Paul Pierce isnt even top 20… wtf

  • andrew

    Perfect spot for him. Great write up, Russ. Wade is the kind of player that I resent, not because he’s spectacular and I wish he wasn’t, rather, I find his game boring because of its spectacular nature. You can almost pick when he’s gonna go flailing to the rack for an and-1, or pull up for the jumper from 15 (and occasionally sink it) or whatever. I wish I did like him, but there’s something about his predictability that riles me somewhat. Am I getting to meta for a basketball fan?

  • Costa

    RUSS IS FULL OF CRAP!!!!!! he is a top five play arguably top 3… f*ck a n*gga named russ this is an insult, how can he even have the privelidge of having to ran top 50 players… oh Im guessing he forgot that wade was the only rookie to make it into the payoffs from the top 5 picks (disregard darko he doesnt count because he didnt play)oh and when it came to being clutch he made the shot in his rookie season so if you think his sophomore season was a breakout year you obviously didnt watch Heat basketball Wade was balling since his rookie season its just that since he was the third and at times 4th scoring option with eddie jones, odom, and butler ahead of him… so yeah and if i remember correctly there were many analyst who sought to believe wade was a strong contender for roy that year, and… and when did didnt wade play through injury too? he did in fact take over many playoff games when shaq was out and scored 35 to 40 plus a game kind of like how lebron did… which by the way wade also has an mvp finals in his trophy case… oh and probably the most consistent player in the olympics

  • TheGuggenheim

    There is no way you can say that his olympic performance wasnt taken into consideration. This last season was the Dwade equivalent to VC quitting on Toronto or T-Macs losing streak at Orlando. When he played he was still averaging above 20pts per game but he just kept losing (unlike the kobe/lebrons past with similarly bad teams). I respect his game and expect to see him up here doing great stuff again next year but at this moment he should be in the 15-20 range

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Hmmm……..

  • andrew

    Listen – I’m hoping they put him at #1. Just to fu(k some sh!t up. And then he can go putting up his 32 points on 10-32 and nine free throws like the old days cos Ray Ray does an ankle.

  • Costa

    and andrew must not be a basketball fan i dont even know what the hell hes doing looking at the slam website

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Seriously..I mean I hate pp but I’m also objective I understand he’s a good basketball player but he is not this good. Amare, Iverson are only two of the names I would put above him. I have a gut feeling you’re gonna rank him over Steve Nash too.

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    My personal Top5:
    1.Kob
    2.Bron
    3.CP3
    4.Garnett
    5.Wade

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Well…..I knew Dwyane barely cracked the top ten before the list was posted from “a little birdie”. I wasn’t hateful about the ranking, becasue….well, he just didn’t deserve a much higher place than this after his last two seasons of work. That being said, I think his Olympic work (where he was unquestioned the most consistent and explosive player on the floor)and what I’ve seen of him from his preseason work so far, his place on next year’s list (if there is one) will be Top 5, maybe top 3, depending on how far he can drag the Heat.

  • rikson

    So Wade is 8 – good spot… btw I HATE PIERCE ;)

  • rikson

    So the economy is collapsing… in other news I HATE PIERCE…

  • Sdfigits

    Yeah guys PP sucks, no good compared to KB24 NO GOOD! KOBE PWNS PIERCES FACE KB24 KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24KB24 BETTER THAN MIKE, LEBROOM! PAUL PIERCE SUCKS THE “TRUNTH” IS THAT HE SUCKS HAHAHAHAHA

  • Edmond

    yup DP, that was my first thought too, but my guts tells me that paul MIGHT surprise us all! hahaha

    And yes, I do think that Pierce is damn overrated. Just because he battles lebron for 40+ pts each in Game 7 makes him a top 10 player?? HOW ABOUT IVERSON?? didnt he almost always did that when he was still in Philly?

  • T Money

    Is Nash that much better that Deron Williams?
    Is he better at all?

  • Sdfigits

    *Sarcasm

  • andrew

    Costa: get mad. Get really mad. Type with an angry look on your face and make the ‘e’ key not work properly until you get it fixed. Then, relax, and realise that this ranking, and everyone’s posts on this site are entirely subjective, a matter of opinion, and regret that you got personal with both the writer of this piece, and a guy who doesn’t like your favourite player. You make good points, but your delivery is too shrouded in anger, mate. Relax. Millions of other people love Wade. Take solace in that, you dumb fu(k.

  • andrew

    p.s. i love being hypocritical.

  • Sdfigits

    Can we have one Fu(king thread that doesn’t revolve around PP? I hope he goes #1 just so I can see the collective coronary that every Kobe fan has.

  • Costa

    I dont regret sh*t… mate

  • T Money

    Paul Pierce did everything for his team last season. Clutch threes, and ones, passing, rebounding, defending Kobe AND LeBron… He was the only Celtic who created antything for himself and got shooters open for threes. I don’t think he’s over rated. He was arguably more valuable than Garnett in the playoffs.

  • andrew

    Sd: cosign.

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    I just wish the season would start and we could focus for these guys actually playin’ again!F**k these rankings!!!

  • rikson

    people i was being sarcastic.. it seems like no mather what the topic is people will give Paul all the hate they got!

  • rikson

    T-Money: cosign

  • Edmond

    PP sucks man. Word.

  • rikson

    PP rulez. Hahahaha… We´re going back to the start! ;)

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    Edmond you are a bit harsh…He’s Finals MVP so I don’t think he sucks…

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    (i’m also joking…)

  • KA

    this list is bullsheeeeeeeeeetttttt!!!!!…..ok I feel better now. also, dwade would be a lot more jordanesque if he didn’t fall down too much. even ai doesnt fall down as much as dwyane.

  • namik

    Russ gave away the first 5. OHHHH!!! Great writeup Russ, health permitting, he will be higher next year. I still think they’re a threat in the East. Mostly because of this guy.

  • rikson

    So what do you guys expect from the heat this year???

  • Edmond

    hahaha nice one Bigi

  • halkias

    damn..i think d wade is top 5 easily…maybe 3 after kobe and lebron…but his last season puts him in the 8th spot….

  • Costa

    8 or the 7 seed… and probably lose in a hard fought first round… either way if they make the playoffs it would be a succesful season and spoelstra will be COY.. 40 plus wins either way

  • rikson

    I doubt their chances to make the playoffs – would be great though!

  • Edmond

    rikson: EAST

    1.) Celts
    2.) 76ers
    3.) pistons
    4.) cavs
    5.) orlando
    6.) toronto
    7.) washington
    8.) atlanta

  • T Money

    SLAM can by no means be considered the authority on doing player rankings. Last time around they had Zach Randolph, Andrea Bargnani and Adam Morrison(Two of whome hadn’t played an NBA minute) and ommitted Baron Davis. Nuff Said.

  • Kieran

    I love nash and pierce and some of the hate on here bout them is ridiculous, but, neither (in my opinion) are top 7 in the NBA as of right now, Wade talent wise is easy top 5.

  • Edmond

    T Money: REALLY? wow

  • T Money

    It was such an embarrassing fiasco, that Sam Rubenstein was forced to step down as online editor a few months prior to the release of the new rankings…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Harsh words, T Money.

  • T Money

    About as harsh as Adam Morrison’s NBA career?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Kind of…..but’s it just a list….guys aren’t cancelling their careers because of their place on it.

  • Edmond

    AGAIN, I announce this PP SUCKS!! wouldve picked AI over this guy any day.

  • T Money

    Eboy, I have no problem with subjective rankings, as long as the subjective criteria remain consistent. And unfortunately there are a lot of anomalies on this list. If we are looking purely at talent, DWade would probably be higher. But 15 wins? Really?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    Like someone before me mentioned, the season hasn’t started, so I guess from the past two years, D’s probably lucky to have cracked the top 10 on this list. Hopefully he takes this as another slight. Seems he needs slights these days to ramp it up. I can only hope that it rubs off on his quasi-talented teammates.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Quasi-talented is really generous, Cheryl.

  • Squirrel7

    I’m lovin’ the list, but I have to agree with T-Money to a certain degree, the criteria seems to be changing with every rank. Someone like Iverson is on the down-slide (due to age), and so is judged on this season’s performance, rather than his prime, but then how is someone so often injured, like D-Wade, ranked so highly?

  • namik

    Cmon Eboy, we all know that they’re not all that bad.

  • T Money

    Cheryl/Eboy, I think y’all have a pretty decent team this year. All you are really missing is a decent big man to anchor your defence/offense and a consistent and experienced point guard….Actually never mind

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Not all namik, but of the 12 man roster they’re going to roll out, only a third of them are worth a paid contract.

  • http://nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    Hey y’all better read my new Magic preview on Hibachi. Gotta go to class, so I’m out.

  • LISTEN LISTEN

    MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE
    PAUL FREAKING’PIERCE

  • Edmond

    Squirrel, you got a point. Based on last season, i still wudve picked AI rather than Pierce. No bias there

  • T Money

    Thanks Squirrel/Edmond. I’ve been fishing for compliments all day…

  • Edmond

    haha sure. Anyways, im out. PP Sucks. haha

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I hope ya’ll take things that actually matter in everyday life this literally.

  • namik

    True Eboy but let’s not forget that this is the East and even with Philly improving, there are still 4 spots wide open. LeBron went to the Finals with an equally mediocre squad. And even though Wade isn’t LeBron, when healthy he is very very close.

  • T Money

    TAD, what in real life could be more important than this?

  • Nikos Galis

    @halkias….:dikio exeis re file alla perisi ta ekane thalassa….pantos to kalokairi itan noumero 2 meta ton Kobe. O Lebron einai enas “mpetantzis” re xwris sout, min psarwneis apo tis diafimiseis….

  • slamsucks

    Wade should be Top5

  • Clockwork

    Wow, people do NOT like Paul Pierce. Can you blame them?

  • scott

    This is madness. Tim Duncan, Paul Pierce, Steve Nash and Dwight Howard shouldn’t be in the top ten. If this was fantasy basketball.

  • T Money

    I personally feel that Tim Duncan is a little high on this list. I do not doubt his resume, but really- He’s not the offensive/defensive juggernaut he once was. Everyone is always saying what a great defender he is, but why does he never guard the other team’s best post player? The 7 step 3 point buzzer beater was sick though. Dude is a winner.

  • T Money

    I personally feel that Tim Duncan is a little high on this list. I do not doubt his resume, but really- He’s not the offensive/defensive juggernaut he once was. Everyone is always saying what a great defender he is, but why does he never guard the other team’s best post player? The 7 step 3 point buzzer beater was sick though. Dude is a winner.

  • matt the jazz fan

    of course you can fall down 7 times and get up eight, you just need to get up first.

  • slamsucks

    If The Truth&KG are on top7, why Ray is only 35??

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    i’m kinda late today, but C’MON slam…PP was a CRAP…he doesn’t deserve to be in top 15…i was hoping it’s better be PP before i click the slam’com…now that’s what i got…

  • Nikos Galis

    @scott….:SuperGoof shouldn’t be in the top-20 if it was just bball either….

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    1. Pierce
    2. Kobe
    3. Paul
    4. Pierce
    5. Pierce
    6. Bron
    7. KG/Pierce

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    get da hell out of this website Nikos Galis, you’re just messing around…

  • rikson

    Pierce should be ahead of KG…

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    they’re both final mvp, but i don’t think PP was that GOOD to be rank front of Dwade…

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    T Money, he doesn’t guard the other team’s best post player because he’d stay on the bench in foul trouble.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    WWJD?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    What Would Jukai Disect?

  • Bruno

    PP is already higher than 8… higher than Dwyane…
    really ridiculous choice.
    i wonder Wade receiving Garnett and Allen…

  • rikson

    Simone: Dont make the mistake to underestimate a versitile player. I know its more fun to watch players who perfectionated their playing style (see AI). But think about PP: a real all around player. Playing against a bigger defender he can go past, otherwise he can back up and score in the post. The fact is: Pierce can score just as many points if his jumper is off (not many dudes can do that).

  • Squirrel7

    Also seems as though a lot of players are being penalized for being one-dimensional (ie. can defend but have no offense, or vice versa), while there are plenty in the top-20 who are essentially only skilled in one of those 2 aspects (ie. STAT, Melo, etc.)

  • Squirrel7

    And not wanting to get sucked into the whole Paul Pierce debate (though I’d put him no higher than 15), I like how people keep talking about his performance against Lebron in Game 7, and more specifically, his defense. Don’t get me wrong, going toe-to-toe with ‘King James’ offensively is impressive, but don’t praise his defense when Lebron still went off for 45 points!

  • rikson

    1. Duncan
    2. Kobe
    3. LeBron
    4. CP3
    5. PP
    6. KG
    7. Nash

  • rikson

    Well to me it seems that King James can put up 45 against anybody on any given night…

  • scott

    @rikson…No.
    1. Kobe Bryant
    2. LeBron James
    3. Chris Paul
    4. Tim Duncan
    5. Kevin Garnett
    6. Steve Nash
    7. Paul Pierce

  • Squirrel7

    I know he can, but it seems absolutely ridiculous to be praising someone’s defense when their man has just dropped near-50 on them!

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    @rikson, PP didn’t play lot of D, who’s he gonna guard, …??? posey and KG does the most…and this about top7 player, he didn’t make the playoff for few years in Eastern Con’ till kg and ray came in…you got the point???

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    co-sign Squirrel7 on comment 10:37

  • Squirrel7

    Personally, I didn’t think Pierce’s defense was THAT impressive, I think it was more of a team effort. I actually thought Ray-Ray’s was better.

  • Nikos Galis

    @slamsucks…..:cause Pierce&KG deserve so , and cause it would be too much to have 3 Celts in the top-20(although Ray belongs)
    @Clockwork…..:no you cannot. Cause as C.Barkley said last year “hey,man the average fun,… don’t know a lot about basketball,well..let me..most funs don’t know lot about basketball,all they know is points rebounds & scores….”

  • rikson

    Simone: Actually it was just two years… and he was basically alone!

  • T Money

    But CoCo, isn’t that the mark of a great defender? Someone who can limit the effectiveness of his opponents without having to foul excessively?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I guess since we are close now and others are dropping their’s:

    7. PP
    6. Nash
    5. The Robot
    4. KG
    3. CP3
    2. 24
    1. The Young King

  • Nikos Galis

    sir Charles..:this is my friend Simone!!!!

  • rikson

    Fact is: Even with to all-stars and HoFers (for me) its still HIS team

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    yeah, 2 years in Eastern Con’ …if he’s a top 7 player.

  • http://slamonline.com Chris O’Leary

    loved this writeup Russ. Great stuff.

  • Nikos Galis

    TODAY’S NEW MEMBERS TO MY “LEBRON LIST”:
    DP & Eboy!!! (and the day just started…)

  • Squirrel7

    No, it’s HIS team as he’s been there for the long-haul, and KG isn’t the sort of *sshole to come in and demand to be THE man. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve some credit, and a ‘chip, but there is no way the guy is top-10.

  • Squirrel7

    So much for not getting dragged into the P-Squared debate!

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    no offense on Nikos, but don’t write somethin’ we don’t get it next time. where’re you from anyway???

  • rikson

    Ahhh the good old Pierce debate -> I just love it!

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    top 7
    1.24
    2.Lebroom
    3.cp3
    4.TD
    5.KG
    6.Nash
    7.no one…

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    Even i think CP3 was better than Lebroom sometimes…

  • rikson

    Squirrel: You got a point there (with KG)… still to me hes top 5

  • rikson

    Squirrel: You got a point there (KG)… still to me hes top 5

  • rikson

    sorry for the double-post…

  • Nikos Galis

    @simone….:exactly! it is interesting that even you can do so…
    and what is that you don’t get darling…?

  • http://slamonline.com RaptorsMelo

    @costa: actually. Melo was a top 5 pick and he made the playoffs too

  • Nikos Galis

    @simone…:i’m from my home country.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    F**K off dick head…i’m 22 years old street boy, and i got gal..

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    liar liar Simone

  • Krishan

    I love dwyane. I love russ’s writings. I don’t care if wade got a no.100 rank, this piece just makes me happy.

  • scott

    How did Simone’s comment not get censored?

  • Nikos Galis

    “….i told you man…the average fun…the average fun don’t even….”

  • Nikos Galis

    it was towards me cool…

  • Krishan

    I can’t wait for the paul pierce ranking to drop and witness how these fu(kers’ heads just simultaneously explode in front of their monitors

  • Jordan

    BULLSH***T!!!
    BIG DESAPPOINTMENT @ U SLAM.

  • Nikos Galis

    @scott….:and i have already said that i got no problem with whatever is thrown towards me .of course someone should respect the rest of the forum but you know,if you don’t learn such things somewhere else you won’t do here you (and at the age of 22…)

  • Black Mamba

    I can’t believe this, I don’t really like Dwades game, because he jumps into people, but it will catch up with him, when he is 30, but having Paul Pierce ranked higher than him is flawed. Yes Dwade played good in the Olympics, but who cares, that was against inferior talent, I would rank Dwade of PP even without watching the Olympics along with Amare and Iverson and Carmelo. I am still think maybe PP didn’t make the list and his one great year is washed under the table with his shot, but if he is next. Slam you messed up big time.

  • brian

    what a joke, wade is a top 4 player right now and might be top 3 by years end…lol at pierce and nash ranked higher

  • Nikos Galis

    on WADE now: if healthy and at full speed a better player in the NBA than Bron (easily) and than CP3 (marginally). Closest thing we got to M.J’s game (NOT to M.J’s level. that honor belongs to Kobe).
    And on a side note: the “rumors” on D.WADE made it to Bucurest.(i was really amased to hear from people not close to the NBA..)

  • Black Mamba

    I also can’t believe Nash is still in the running after being two time MVP, that cannot get to the Finals with at stack team, be honest and PP had to have a stack team to look like a good player, “Help Defense by Posey and KG made PP look good” not to me, also when the celtics fall, please blame it on pierce, since he is top 7 by slam.

  • Black Mamba

    1. Kobe
    2. Chis Paul
    3. Lebron
    4. TD
    5. Wade
    6. KG
    7. Nash
    8. Paul Pierce

    Should have looked like this, even thought I do not endores 7 or 8.

  • Squirrel7

    I have no idea why, but whenever I see D-Wade I wish I could punch him! That photo up top isn’t helping! Slightly off-topic, but anyway….

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    he should be higher on the list

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    but that is just my opionon

  • WhaHuh

    TheGuggenheinms comment at 8:58 is 100% correct, Wade eont be rememmbered for his 07/08 season. olympics, shmolympics

  • Nikos Galis

    @BETCATS….:next year (if not injured)will be top-3 (you see,we got to have the “king of what?” at number 2…)

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    He’s number 3 in my book. Right behind Lebron and Kobe.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    I knew this was coming, so no comment. thanks Ryne.

  • Cupcake

    Okay, I just know Pierce can’t be this high so Slam probably thought just to leave him out of the Top 50 altogether. Great Write up on Wade though.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Wait, is Steve Nash higher than Dwayne Wade?
    Good Lord.

  • Young Chris MP3

    I’d pick Chris Paul above Lebron and right behind Kobe, and Paul Pierce IS better than Steve Nash. Y’all can hate dude all y’all want, but Truth does his thing and has been doing it his whole career.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    And I’ve been criticizing the Paul Pierce hate, but we are starting to get into dangerous territory here. If Paul Pierce makes the top five, well, I can’t understand that. Is Paul Pierce really better than Dwayne Wade?

  • Nikos Galis

    @Young Chris…:exactly
    @Allenp….:he SHOULD based on the criteria they claimed they used .

  • Young Chris MP3

    Oh, and Russ did a poor Max Airington imitation with the opening here.

  • rikson

    @AllenP…: Last year: for sure – Whole Career: Probably

  • Young Chris MP3

    Allenp: This is the result of this past season alone. I’m sure last year’s list had D-Wade ahead of Truth even with the freak shoulder injury. Why? Because Truth’s team won about as much that year as Flash’s did this year.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I can’t understand this “last year” argument when Gilbert ARenas and Baron Davis were higher than ALLEN IVERSOM!
    Ok, I’m calm again. Simply, it can’t be all about last year because Gilbert hasn’t played in two years. It can’t be about last year because Baron was disappointing last year. I assumed it was about player potential and performance. Wade RIGHT NOW wins when it comes to both of those things.
    I just don’t understand this list sometimes. I like to understand things.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Wow. Dating Start Jones must have been taken into consideration here.

  • Michael

    maybe the slam guys did their own lists and the criteria wasnt discussed, leading to some of the more confusing entries when the list positions were averaged…

  • scott

    Who is Start Jones?

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    Again, PP overrated…
    PEACE…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    The R and the T are right next to each other, i should get a pass on that one

  • scott

    @RV…You get enough for your fantasy league?

  • Jeter

    He is 8th only because he was injured most of last year.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    well slam staffers? Enjoying the flak yoz are receiving for this ranking yet? Ominous silence from y’all lately.

  • fattycakes

    Dwyane Wade > Steve Nash 24/7, 365.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    I’ve heard rumours Steve Francis is in the top 5…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    @scott: we’ve got 9 teams signed on, with a 10 possibly soon…we can go up to 12 incase you want to join, but then I’d still need 1 more, I can’t have an odd number of teams

  • Nikos Galis

    @Allenp….:
    Gilbert & Baron not only have more potential-future than A.I but the had a more positive impact to their team than A.I. although they played less games than his usual 80. This is the magic of our cute “ANSWER”: he would have made his team more succesfull if he hadn’t play at all. Next year he will be out of the top-30, and hopefully 3 years from now out of the league to Panathinaikos!!!(Although Obradovic wouldn’t sign him even if it was for free…) .

  • Nikos Galis

    @Keith…:SLAMS top-5 if they had their way(joking of course..):
    1)Starbury
    2)Lebron
    3)Telair
    4)”Skip to my Lou”
    5)”Franchise”

  • scott

    @RV…If you need a 12th team let me know.

  • scott

    @Balki you forgot Iverson.

  • Nikos Galis

    @scott…:damn it…!!!no Franchise then Keith…

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Nikos, you claim to be an expert about basketball and yet you have failed to notice that both Gilbert and Baron have the exact same bad habits on offense that Iverson has. Only they are less durable and not as consistent. Check the numbers when you get a chance and then watch a few more games to see how many times Gilbert and Baron over dribble and jack up bad shots. Then check out their career success versus Iverson’s. I think you’ll find that Iverson wins.

  • Kieran

    @ Nikos Gilbert has a positive influence? When Baron and Gil lead their teams to the finals then we can talk

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Young Chris MP3: It’s actually a bad ripoff of myself, if anything. I was writing SLAMadamonths like that five or six years ago.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Darksaber: Opinions are like, uh, livers. Can’t speak for anyone else, but for me, arguing isn’t worth it anymore, even when I feel I’ve got a point. Not gonna do it. Take that for what you will.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Allenp…:i agree with most of what you’ve said (especially the “expert about basketball coment” !!!). I have definitelly seen them playing less than you have but from what i managed to figure out is that ,although all of them would have been disastrous for teams playing serious basketball, Gilbert seems to be the one most under control and Baron is just slightly more efficient than A.I. (although he couldn’t be characterized efficient at all). I agree that it is difficult to figure out who is the worst between Baron and A.I. but you can usually win by picking A.I. at most times in such kinds of dilemas. (i exagerate but i will propably never forgive him for wasting such rare gifts by just being lazy and not caring about this game)

  • Nikos Galis

    @Kieran…:when the East (or West) will be again at the level of 2001 we talk…(that was too easy, give me some more please)

  • tealish

    Nikos: You need to stop with your propaganda. Flash (NOT dwade) doesn’t equal no substance. The two are not mutually exclusive. Just remember that.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Kieran….:BONUS for you: last years’ CSKA would have won the 2001 Sixers 4-1.

  • tealish

    And clearly, Allen Iverson does not care about this game. He sure plays that way, the little f*cker.

  • Nikos Galis

    @tealish…:you accidently wrote my name on your comment (i only said Dwade is no-2 in the league, 11:11 am)

  • tealish

    You clearly didn’t catch the (NOT DWADE) part of my comment.

  • UK Bball head

    DWade
    at NO 8???
    therefore, you’re implying that PP is better than him

    Dear Slam Online

    Boooo!!

    That is all

  • catalonian

    number 8? he can’t shoot, so he’s mediocre, poor NBA

  • Nikos Galis

    Drazen used to spend 6 hours a day all summer every summer till his death to become the best he could be. Just for the love of the game. A.I. likes to play bball while doing also other things…Lebron by the way plays bball cause it is the one occupation of those he could ever follow with the most potential to lead him to his dream “richest man in the world”!!!! (ok, i don’t expect NBA players to be academic material but at least the league should protect them from their own s……y for the sake of its image. M.J would never say so although he maybe had the same goals..)

  • UK Bball head

    Sorry but I’m kinda mad at this ranking so once again


    ..

    BOOOOOOO!!

  • Nikos Galis

    Hola Catalonian!!!

  • Nikos Galis

    @tealish…:you are right,my english comprehension needs improvment (among other things…)

  • tealish

    What I’m just trying to say is that not all guys with insane dribbling skills who play with flash, are without equally insane basketball skills. Conversely, not all non-athletic guys, with minimal ball-handling ability and a good outside shot is a “truly skilled basketball player” who just happened to miss out of the greatest L in the world because of the cancer that is typical American ball.
    Just saying.

  • Nikos Galis

    @tealish….:how can i disagree with this..?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Does every single top 50 entry have to turn into a referendum between American and European players? We get it, Nikos—you think American players are lazy and flashy and just obsessed with being rich and any other cliched stereotype you can come up with. Terrific. Bravo for you and your Euro brethren, you’re so much better than the rest of us. Allen Iverson doesn’t spend every waking moment learning the intricacies of the motion offense and zone defenses, therefore he’s a lousy player. We get it. You’ve said it 4,000,000 times. Give it a rest.

  • scott

    Russ tell us how you really feel. Is the Slam staff going to put together another All-time top 75 issue to make it current or will it be on the old internet machine?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Fundamentals are for p*ssies.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    All the problems I’ve had haven’t been with a players particular ranking per se. More like who came before or after. I don’t think wade is any better than 8th best in the league but I do think he is better than Paul Pierce. The only player who I think was blatantly under ranked was Iverson. Top ten in the league is badass though Wade is a great basketball player and deserves every accolade he gets.

  • UK Bball head

    co sign Russ on the Euro pretentions
    If we were that good we’d be in the NBA getting paid (see Tony P, Manu etc)

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! on the ranking Russ, BOOOOOO!!, HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOP 5!!!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ya’ll do realize that Russ only wrote the piece, he didn’t personally rank the player. It was a collective effort to rank these players. Only 8 more days, thank the lord…..

  • Nikos Galis

    OK, Russ (finally) got it…400000000 more to go….who’s next..,wait..TADOne my little friend!!!! Come here,come here!! Where do i start with you…?…well..Once upon a time there was an old man called James Naismith…

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Nikos, you are rapidly proving your ignorance about the motivations of most NBA players.
    Your quote about why MJ did many of the things he did is clear evidence that your basketball knowledge doesn’t cross the Atlantic. MJ was ten times the corporate whore that Lebron is. Easily. Sure, MJ was great at ball, but he has always, ALWAYS been about his money. You do realize Jordan still has the single season record as far as salary, right? A cool $30 million each of his last two years with the Bulls. It was always about the money with MJ. He just loved basketball as well.
    Your bias is showing Nikos and it’s really, really not pretty. I’d like you to point to one European star in the league that is complete on offense and defense. And if you name Manu, you fail.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Nikos, you do know that you’re just annoying and not really getting anywhere in bothering anyone with your constant bablle, right? There must be a bad vat of hummus you’ve been eating off to keep you steady simple.

  • Nikos Galis

    and yo Russ: no problem with having to repeat myself 4100000 times if needed. “repetition is the mother of knowledge” as someone said a long time a ago (he was a s….d European though so don’t bother at all. I’ll give you also the original: “Epanalipsis mitir mathisews” )

  • tinchek

    27?? how?
    i thought he’s like…25

  • Nikos Galis

    @Allenl…:Manu.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Allenp….:i also wrote on M.J exactly what you said. you don’t have to read any stupidities i write but maybe it is a good idea to do so if you are planning on commenting on them…
    @Eboy…:you got that right, i am sick on my office since last night.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    What Allen forgot to mention was that MJ’s early contracts were ridiculously undervalued and that those last two were consistent with “you made our franchise into an actual hotbead of money and fanbase so this is what we can give to you in thanks”. Plain and simple economical thanks.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/nba/2008/10/slamonline-top-50-dwyane-wade-no-8/ Andy

    This is the worst pick ever! I can’t believe you would rate Wade lower than Pierce. PP is the most overrated and biggest p*ssy to ever play after his fake a*$ knee injury

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    You know what? Nikos is exactly right. All European players are hard-working and fundamentally sound, and all American players are lazy, shiftless, materialistic showoffs. Is that OK? Can we move on now? Or do you want to keep trolling?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I heard this Wade guy was pretty good at basketball. I also heard this Russ guy could write a little.

  • Nikos Galis

    @RUSS….:after you read my 2:20 & 2:28 comment you read IMEDIATELLY my 2:33…(do you use any kind of program to randomly write answers for you…? )

  • Nikos Galis

    @TADOne…:you heard right pal..

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Nikos, you’re a classic internet troll. You change ANY topic of discussion to what YOU want to talk about, and just try and incite disagreement with yourself at the center. This post is about Dwyane Wade. Not about the difference between American players and European players, and certainly not about the intentions of Dr. James Naismith. You’ve brought up the same tired points in every discussion for the past week, and it’s getting very, very old. It’s obvious that you have nothing but disdain for the majority of American-born players. That’s fine. It’s you right. But please, in the name of all that is holy, stop belittling them in every single thread. Please.

  • Nikos Galis

    one of the things i really enjoy here is that i have the role of Anti-American. I mean,for the last 20 years of my life i have been the poster “american-boy” at any situation-discussion i have participated. I have been hated for this at some environments…it is really funny to be on the other side and i “over do it” many times intentionally…

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Nikos, you know that Lil Wayne actually quoted that European teacher you mentioned earlier.
    As if I didn’t need another reason to ignore all of your “intellectual” comments.
    lol

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Nikos
    You’re right, I mis-read your MJ comment and somehow got the impression that you were saying you preferred MJ over Lebron because MJ presented an image of self-sacrfice instead of his true personality of a power hungry uber capitalist. I got the impression that either you were grossly underestimating how self-serving Jordan was, or that you just didn’t care about making sense in your arguments.
    Sorry I missed that.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Allenp….:don’t know what John Wayne said but i was happy to observe that my ancientgreeks where still in good shape while i was writing the original quote…and i excuse you.

  • Nikos Galis

    i’ll take an hour break for the sake of my college-years’ hero RUSS!!!(no irony here)

  • darren

    what is goining on dwyane wade is in the top 3 with lebron and kobe and KG is great but who was sayin he was top 5 before last season when he had allen and peirce and a great bench. Peirce isnt even close to as good as wade before last season he was putting up around 23 to 25 wade was doing that at his worst. and chris had a great seasaon but thats just it ONE SEASON he still has alot to prove its only been his 3rd season and he only got to the second round wich is great in the west but in wades 3rd season he got finals mvp and a ring which he earned while shaq was in foul trouble and he was dropen 45 to 35 a game with 7 boards. 1.kobe 2.james 3.wade 4.tim 5.pual 6.kg 7.nash 8.dwight and the rest dont matter!

  • B Deezy

    the fact that pp is even in the top ten is just embarassin’…sure, he has a nice career avg n all, but im sure greg ostertag coulda put up them kinda numbers playin ‘ for the celtics before kg n ray ray saved the franchise…dammit anyways

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nikos Galis’ Ex Boyfriend

    listen to everything Nikos says. He know everyting

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    This is bond: Paul Pierce’s placement on this list has made me look at this publication, which was once the brunt of many jokes from me, my colleagues, my friends that haved coached and played in the League, in an entirely new manner. I have a respect for Slam that I didn’t previously. Slam, the Truth will set you free. Pun INTENDED. You’ve made it to the big time. You have arrived. It took you a while, and I didn’t think you’d make it. Substance, in this league, has always won over style. Always felt at Slam it was the other way around. I salute you. I’m going to start buying the mag again.

  • Nikos Galis’ Ex Boyfriend

    Hey Nikos thanks for taking it easy on me last nite. i can actually sit without it hurting to bad. I hope you’re not in to much pain either. These americans just dont get us intelligent blokes over here in Europe

  • Nikos Galis

    @Russ….:i leave for an hour and you get a grand total of one and a half posts…i mean, that’s what you really want..??(joking)
    @Kostas…..:if you also listened to what i used to say we will still be together now .Admit it ,IT WAS YOUR FAULT ALSO!!!(i told you a thousand times: no teeth…)

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    They need to give litmus tests before selling computers. For real.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Kostas…:last nite was simply amazing you, have to know that. By the way,Antonis is way bigger than you….!!!

  • Nikos Galis

    (googling litmus…)

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Boston in da house . . .

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Pierce and Nash are overrated on here.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Moose….:you are my favorite poster!!and by far the best previer i have read here…i don’t agree with your Pierce & Nash assesment though..

  • Kieran

    thank you russ for finally putting Nikos in his place. I dont think i can take another 7 comments worth of this sh*t

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Nikos, why am I your favorite poster???

  • Kieran

    unlucky Moose man

  • Nikos Galis

    cause you keep things simple and pure. You also have an excitment every time you get here that i really enjoy. I’ll try the same happy look to see if i can duplicate it..Let’s see:
    Welcome back KIERAN!!! We missed you cool!!!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Simple and pure . . . I think I know what you’re saying, but what do YOU think you’re saying? But thanks, I guess.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Moose…:don’t worry pal. Kieran is just jealous..i don’t think he deserves your sunshine..

  • Nikos Galis

    @Moose….:and you guessed correct.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Moose….:by the way,where would you put Ray Allen..?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Nikos, I didn’t guess anything, so I couldn’t guess correctly.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    I think that SLAM did a good job with Rayray, putting him at 35, he’s getting older, and his numbers are declining. He still is one of the (if not the) best shooters in the league, a textbook jumper. Still great, though. I think that he wasn’t better than anyone before him, so it’s a good spot in my book.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    1. Kobe
    2. LeBron
    3. Chris Paul
    4. Kevin Garnett
    5. Tim Duncan
    6. Paul Pierce
    7. Steve Nash

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    OK, YES, I hate Kobe more than anybody in the league save Lamar Odom, and I do like Bron. Just right now, I do think that Kobe is better than James. But after this year, those spots will be switched (and possibly with Kobe in the 3 spot with CP on the quick rise), because James is a helluva lot younger and a better all around player on offense. Paul is top-tier in points, assists and steals, which is just amazing for a PG. And Garnett and Duncan are still doing their thing, but Garnett gets a higher ranking here for the little thing that he helped win called a “Larry O’Brien Trophy”. You might’ve heard of it. And, PP and Nashty. For what Pierce did in the playoffs he deserves it over Nash. I don’t know why Nash is so high here, Deron’s a better PG and he was at 11. And that’s just for point guards. But there’s my list for what’s coming. And yes, a Lebron fan said that Kobe was better. FOR NOW.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Moose ….:i would have him top-20.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Moose….:best shooter in the World and still quite explosive when he has to.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    OK . . . I might’ve had him 30 or 31, but top 20 is too high. I mean, look at the rest of the guys who beat him!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Definitely explosive when he has to. By the way Nikos, I’m a Celtics fan. I love the way he drives to the hole, something that is sometimes overlooked in his game. That one play where he went left on Gasol in the Finals was just beautiful. Everything he does on and off the court is smooth, just a great player and a great guy. Fun player to watch.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Moose….:Kobe has at least 3 more years at the top,his offensive game is the most complete since M.J, (Lebron can’t shoot, wrong mechanics) and when he will be surpassed by someone it won’t be Lebron…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    OK, I’m not sure if you meant that Kobe will be surpassed or MJ will be surpassed. But I have an anwser for both or em. One: MJ will never be passed. Two: Uhhh, YES, Kobe will be surpassed by Lebron. Look up the numbers, crack youtube and turn on the TV. Dude’s going further than anyone since MJ.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Moose….:i meant Kobe. Don’t say so on M.J cause we used to believe the same about Dr.J and then we got Mike. And back to P.Pierce: if they have Marion at 23 ,then Ray is easily top-20. Trust me on this.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Nikos, is Ray Allen better than Caron Butler, Joe Johnson, Chauncey Billups, Elton Brand, Brandon Roy, Antawn Jamison, Jason Kidd, Pau Gasol, Andre Iguodala, Al Jefferson or Rasheed Wallace? Because those are the guys listed between Marion and Jesus. I MIGHT give you Pau, Jamison or Sheed, but the other guys he ain’t better than. And with Marion and Allen you ignored the D. Allen’s D is OK, but Marion’s defense is superb.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    And MJ is the best ever, and he forever will be. Six MVPs. Six Larry O’Brien’s. Look at the numbers. The dude can’t be touched, especially with so many teams so good these days. I can’t say anything bout Dr. J and what they USED to think bout him, because I wasn’t even born then.

  • floe

    fFUiCmdK that! paul pierce does not beat out Dwyane Wade. And Kobe better not come out on top. This thing is rigged.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    I’m out. I got homework that ain’t doin itself. Most likely I’ll be back later, but till then, have fun kiddies.

  • Terrell

    Damn soon as I log on to see Dawayne Wade ranked 8th I see Nikos is already hating on one Allen Iverson. Why does he hate that guy so much? He’s a pretty good player.

  • Terrell

    As for DWade I think if he were not injured he’s battling easily for that #1 spot with Lebron and Kobe. Im not a big fan but he’s the complete package. But boy oh boy did Paul Piere improve his stock by having around 6 good games all playoffs last year…I forgot he and Ray Allen still played basketball until the finals now he may be ranked#1…why not.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Terrell….:i’m passing you the torch, good night from me. And i don’t hate A.I. (i never hate bball players, they are just athletes playing games for kids) i just express(again & again that’s true) my disapointment on those extremelly gifted for not caring at all to work their godgiven talents. A.I. was my favorite player in the world (Jordan included)at the time he was at G-TOWN. There is a theory called “the duty of the genious” but more on this another day…

  • Nikos Galis

    and i completely agree on your DWADE assesment.

  • Terrell

    Also this is for Nikos…I feel compelled to ask your opinion on this concerning Allen Iverson, whom you apparently feel is the worst thing to happen to basketball since the And 1 mixtape tour. I want to go on a long journey to my point but im pressed for time so i will break it down like this. AI played for John Thompson and Larry Brown both Hall of Fame coaches. People have a problem with AI not being a team player, shooting too much, dribbling too much, but these were two of the hardest nosed diciplinarians that coaching has ever seen yet they let AI do as he pleased. Hell AI came from jail to Georgetown U. where they were notorious for building there offense from the inside out and producing top flight centers but coach Thompson pretty much handed AI the ball and said do what you will. He even said and I quote”This young man has been confined and we dont want him to feel restrained on the basketball court”. Larry Brown, who is known for being brutal on point guards saw that being a distributor limited AI’s game moved him to the 2 which is unheard of for a guy AI’s size, traded away scorers, brought in benchwarmers from other peoples teams to defend and rebound and pretty much told AI to put the ball in the basket anyway he wanted even if it meant shooting 30-40 times a game. He even said, and I quote again, “Allen’s missed shots are just as good as a rebound because there is so much attention paid to him the other team is often out of postion letting us get a offensive rebound or putback”. So Nikos my question is do you think these coaches were part of what you think is Iversons problem?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Accusing AI of “not caring at all” about basketball is absolutely outrageous.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Nikos and I share a feeling that Iverson could have been better.
    Unfortunately, Nikos has allowed his disappointment that Iverson did not maximize his talent to turn into insanity. This is unfortunate.
    The Lakers that beat Philly were arguably one of the greatest playoff teams of all time. They swept everybody else, including a Tim Duncan lead Spurs team in a series where I think Kobe destroyed Bruce Bowen. I don’t know much about CSKA or whatever that team was Nikos mentioned, but I no damn well that they were not as good as that Lakers team, and therefore would not have beaten the Sixers 4-1. Yes, that Sixers team was talent deprived, but they found ways to win games against three quality teams that year in Indiana, Toronto and the Bucks.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    LeBron/Kobe/CP3/TD/KG, I hope you weren’t foreshadowing the top five in order, Russ ;)

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Why are people still bothering with Nikos?

  • Narles

    There better be a unbelievably convincing article for why Nash and Pierce are ahead of Wade, Howard, Baron Davis, AI, Gil and STAT

  • LordKratos08

    Should be in the top 5 next year together with Amare and Dwight and CP3 and Lebron. Book that!

  • Terrell

    How could anyone say of all people AI did not reach his potntial??? that is the reason AI is great, because he does and has done things that nobody his size has done. Jesus in todays NBA you can be 6’3 190lbs and experts will say, tweener, too small to play the 2gaurd, AI, as a Sports Illustrated article put it years ago is’The most Compelling One Man Wrecking Crew that the league maybe as ever seen’. Damn I dont get it.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Moose back in da house/apartment/cardboard box/momma’s basement y’all!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Terrell, Iverson is 6 feet 180 pounds.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    He’s more like 5-10, 160, but that’s besides the point.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    I just scrolled through the comments and it’s safe to say that I’m glad I had a busy workday today. Some of yall should be banned from the internets, for real. It’s like Larry the Cable Guy and Amy Whinehouse had abortions that decided to comment on slamonline.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Oh yeah, solid spot for D. Can’t wait to see him healthy and playing with Beastley.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    B. Long, I can’t either. But the Heat probably still won’t be a playoff team with their lack of Point Guards and Centers. Oh yeah, B, check the Magic preview I wrote for Bachi!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Anyways, I’m out for the night. Read the Magic Preview on Hibachi! See y’all later.

  • j-smoov 5

    Top 3 no doubt if he has a good season.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    I have a weird feeling duncan is next up….one spot left for fantasy ball, draft is this wednesday at 3pm central, anyone interested?

  • slamfan4life

    def one of the best in the L

  • Maindude

    Ok guys, really??? 8??? I can see why. (b/c of the last 2 seasons) bt… u gotta think about the player himself not the team’s effort. Ur looking at the players past seasons to rank him which makes no sense. “???” U hve to look at what the player has accomplished himself regardless of his team (which is usually not up to him). Wade has continually been “one of the greats” despite the injuries. Last season, his worst, was still statistically one of the best. In these past ’08 Olympics, just recovered from 2 serious injuries, he shined above the rest (which are the greatest players in the world!) from the BENCH!!! Who do u kno can do tht like he did??? NO ONE! U could argue Kobe bt he would be the only one nd its still questionable due to the fact tht he probably wont even play (b/c of his pride) if he doesnt start. (Not Hating) Bt very tru. LeBron is WOW! Great motivator. Bt thts all I saw at the olympics. I saw every game (DVR). He had a couple spurts of greatness bt way too less often times. These three players are the only one’s worth discussing. Yes, CP3 is one of the best point guards to play the game nd Garnett has the heart of a lion bt in the context of best overall player….it’s just these three. So finally,

    1. Kobe
    2. Wade
    3. LeBron

    Wade will be right with Kobe after his next two seasons.

  • Lakersfan24

    wow
    i was expecting Wade to be #3 or #4

  • Anton

    I’ll take DWade over Paul Pierce right now

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    nash top 5???????????!!!

    ^_^
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    ^_^

  • tealish

    I’m curious but lazy — anyone know where Pierce and Nash ranked on last year’s list?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Costa 8:58 a.m. : That was one of the stupidest things I wish I never read. Good thing I didn’t read past the first two sentences.

  • http://karanmadhok.blogspot.com karan

    wade will be #1 by the time next year’s list rolls out

  • Yassi

    1.)Kobe *würg*
    2.)Lebron *kotz*
    3.)Garnett
    4.)Duncan
    5.)PP
    6.)CP
    7)Nash

  • Nikos Galis

    @Terrell….:your 6:08 pm comment is the first real argument that’ve read in the defense of A.I. Up to now ,basically,i have only seen kids throwing around scoring averages and Russ trying to make it a case of anti-americanism just to fight his ghosts…for this reason i think your comment deserves my serious consideration-answer and for this i will give you my “answer” as soon as possible.

  • Nikos Galis

    and anyone who saw CSKA last year and remembers the 2001 Sixers will not find my comparison exagerated.

  • Nobody

    Lebroom is not number 1!!!

  • Nikos Galis

    @Nobody….:everybody knows that.(you know when something is not going well when you start answering to “nobody”….)

  • Nobody

    Lebroom is ludicrous and fat MF! Don’t even think about putting that bastard on 1st place

  • Yassi

    can i see the listed players so far somewhere?

  • Nobody

    KOB iz da best playa in league right now!!!
    Even I know that!!!

  • Yassi

    btw, nikos gallis you are one of my fav players of all time ;-)
    From Giessen, Germany,
    yassi

  • Nobody

    Are you a boi or chick? Yassi?

  • http://mykal1.blogspot.com/ ♦MyKal♠

    If Nikos talks sh*t about A.I. again, I’m gonna get my Croatian fam to throw him in a river. (is that international news, yet?)

  • http://mykal1.blogspot.com/ ♦MyKal♠

    I’m allowed to say that, I’m a descendent of a long line of river-throwing Croatians.

  • http://mykal1.blogspot.com/ ♦MyKal♠

    Is that how you say it? “I’m a descendant of a long line of river-throwing Croatians” is it meant to be “in a long line of…” plus I spelled descendant wrong.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Yassi….:thanks Yassi, i remember playing against Leverkousen with Aris and Panathinaikos! I also remember the info you gave me few weeks ago on Ademola Okulaja and Misan Nikagbatse…
    @MyKal….:you wanna give you the chances of A.I. making national team of Croatia if he was eligible…? You already know them if you have any kind of relation to this bball country…get back to your cereals now.

  • Yassi

    Neither nor @Nobody:
    a lady ;-)

    is there a list somewhere of the ratings so far?

  • Yassi

    i saw that game in leverkusen with Aris ;-)

  • Caleb

    If he can stay away from anymore serious injuries and start playing full seasons… Wade should easily slip into the Top 5 next time this list comes around. I love the guy’s game, personally… one of the funnest players to watch. But right at this moment.. #8 seems about right.

  • Caleb

    @Terrel. I would be very curious to see any statistics on that theory: A.I.’s missed shots turning into offensive rebounds at a higher than normal rate. My gut feeling is that this is probably a coach’s misperception, but hey… maybe it is true. If it is that’s something that would certainly serve well as an argument against Dave Berri and the like who are highly critical of Iverson’s shooting percentages. I don’t know if there’s any way to find numbers like that though…

  • Rob Wells Jr.

    Wade should be number 1. Unlike Lebron, Wade has a Nba Title and Finals Mvp. Flash is the best. Believe that.

  • Rob Wells Jr.

    Wade is nuber 1. He’s a mixture of Jordan and Iverson. Going to the hoop hard everytime. Playin hard and givin their all every night. D-wade all the way.

  • http://slamonline.com Chocolate Gum

    I just want to point out that there was an AD in SLAM #122 advertising a product or I don’t remember what it was but it spelled Wade’s name as “DWAYNE”, I was like, damn, I thought people would get it correct by now, especially the numerous time Ed. has corrected people in Trash Talk, and especially on an advertisement.

  • darren

    1.kobe
    2.james TOP 3 could be switching
    3.wade around after this
    4.kg season!
    5.cp
    6.howard

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    MOOSE WAS HERE NOVEMBER SIXTH. NOBODY WILL EVER COMMENT ON THIS POST EVER AGAIN AND I WILL BE THE LAST ONE ON HERE. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I CAN SAY WHATEVER I WANT BECAUSE NOBODY WILL EVER CHECK THIS POST EVER AGAIN! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA! CELTICS FOR LIFE! MOOSE IS DA MAN! SHOUT OUT TO HB! Wow, I don’t know what to say even though I could say anything.

  • mike

    your wrong im here hahahahhahahahahaahha

  • reider

    look at the stats
    1.DWADE
    2.Lebron
    3.kobe
    4.CP3
    5.Superman
    6.CB4

    guys
    wade is the best player in the league right now, he is still averaging 29 a game even though he had 2 games in a row that were under 20. plus hes the best shot blocking guard in the league which is always good
    and does lebron have a ring… nope
    and dont say its cuz of shaq, shaq did nothing but scarethe guards so they wouldnt penetrate
    Dwyane Wade MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • L33tSauce

    So where are the haters from october? adams? peteb80? qny words?

  • Lee

    Within the next 1-3 years Wade is gonna be among the NBA top 3 players.
    If the Heat want to keep him in Miami they better be ready to sign a big check!

  • http://kajdlacac musti wade

    1)WADE
    2)LBJ
    3)CP3
    4)K BRYNT
    5)KG
    6)MELO
    7)SUPERMAN
    8)ME

  • Ben

    This list better change. Wade at #8!!! No wade at #2 or #3

  • Dada forever

    1)Kobe Bryant
    2)Lebron James
    3)Dwyane Wade
    4)Chris Paul
    5)Dwight Howard

  • Dada forever

    D-Wade is so amaing this season!!
    He can’t be #8!!!

  • Kobe’s #1 Fan 24——-8

    1)KB24
    2)LBJ23
    3)WAD3
    4)CP3
    5)DK40
    6)BR7
    7)DW12
    8)JJ2

  • bbal4lyf

    this pisses me off so much. wade should be at least third. how can duncan even be in the top 10. And well i like paul pierce but he’s way to overrated

  • Big Kobe Fan

    at least ahead of Nash

  • stevie

    he should be 3rd after the season he had

  • http://slamonline Akira

    NBA season top 5 2008-09

    1- Flash D-Wade
    2- Lebron
    3- CP3
    4- KB24
    5- D-Will
    6- Melo
    7- Superman Howard
    8- Kevin Durant
    9- Billups(not because of his stats the nuggets play a lot better with him)
    10- Joe Johnson

  • http://www.slamdunk.ro ueid

    for me Wade is number 1

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