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Wednesday, October 8th, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  445 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: Gilbert Arenas, no. 17

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Myles Brown

Pet peeve #721: “These guys make millions of dollars playing a kid’s game…”

This is simply not true. The game wasn’t invented by a kid. A comprehensive knowledge of its principles and a mastery of its fundamentals could never be achieved by a kid. The burdensome expectations of millions could never be shouldered by a kid. This game-this league-is for Grown Ass Men, a startling revelation many kids come to only after they’ve been trampled by the herd.

Which is why we are inspired by men who can survive at this level and still play like kids. Men who dare to enjoy themselves amidst pressure that would grind mere mortals to dust. Men who remind us that though this may not be for kids, it is still just a game.

Men like Gilbert Arenas.

SLAM: I wanted to talk to you because we’re doing our SLAMonline Top 50, and we’ve got you ranked at number 17. Just wanted to get your thoughts on that, amongst a few other things.

Gil: I think it’s wonderful to still be in the Top 50 considering I haven’t played in almost a year. So I’m grateful for that, but if I’m healthy, 17′s not my number

SLAM: What do you think is your number?

Gil: Uh, top ten. Top ten.

SLAM: Who would you rank ahead of you?

Gil: Player wise?

SLAM: Yeah, overall. Just consider it a fantasy draft.

Gil: Kobe. LeBron. I’d have Yao. Melo… I don’t know. I’m a fan so I’d put everybody in front of me, but once I’m on the court I’m not a fan anymore. I’m just an assassin. So I don’t….I wouldn’t see most of those guys in front me anyway, when it came down to pound for pound…

SLAM: I hear you. Kill or be killed.

Gil: Yeah.

SLAM: If you were making your own list, what criteria would you use in ranking or judging players?

Gil: Natural ability, work ethic and just talent. Just basketball talent and knowledge of the game.

SLAM: Do you think that age, injuries or anything else should come into play?

Gil: Um, yeah. When you’re looking at a number and you say somebody’s in the top five, you don’t want somebody who’s injured. And then depending on how old they are and what they do. If I look at Steve Nash, he’s one of those names I’d like to keep up there.

SLAM: You’ve been talking about how you want to take a more mature approach to things this season. Does that mean that we’ll be seeing less of the antics that make you known throughout the blogosphere and the league?

Gil: What’s kind of funny is that I just accepted that role. Before, people didn’t really know me. I averaged 29 points, I made a couple All Star Games, I got screwed at the All Star Game where I only played nine minutes and then I got left off of the Olympic team. That’s when the trash talking off the court started. Before that, I just played.

SLAM: Does that motivate you?

Gil: I think for me, it made things easier because sometimes when you’re at a certain level, you know I don’t put a whole bunch of….I have a repertoire of moves I can give ‘em, but when I’m playing basketball I just make it simple like coach always taught me. I just get the job done. See, that’s what people don’t really understand about how I play. I averaged 29 and I still had two other players that averaged 20 on that team. The night I scored 60, Caron had 30something and Antawn had 28 or something like that.

SLAM: How many assists did you have?

Gil: Eight. What people don’t realize is…they look at my numbers and they think “Oh he just shoots.” I’m a point guard. I missed the whole season and Caron went up half a point.

SLAM: So how does that affect your assessment of yourself when you how see well the team did without you?

Gil: That’s one of those rumors that somebody said and everyone else just jumped on it. If anybody did the actual numbers, when I played we were 40-30 and we were trying to get 50 wins. After I got hurt, we only won one game after that. So we went 41-41. So last year we won 43 games and everyone’s like, “Oh well they’re better without him than they were with him.” When a team is successful without their main player, people assume that if they don’t have him they don’t need him. Same thing with Kobe. They won three games without him early in the season and went 3-0. Here come the rumors. “Oh they don’t need him.” Same thing with LeBron. The same people that said they were better without me are the same people who when I went down and we went 1-10 said “Oh the Wizards look hideous without him.” You just gotta take the good with the bad. If they’re gonna say good things about you, you’ve gotta accept that they’re gonna say bad things about you. That’s why I never really paid attention to it. Abe Polin believed, Ernie believed, the coaching staff and the players believed.

SLAM: How much does coming in and out of the rotation affect your rhythm?

Gil: I remember when I was in high school and I broke my hand right before the season, I took my cast off before the first game and went out and scored 50. But with the knee, I can’t do anything. That’s what I get criticized a lot for. I play. I like to play no matter what it is. If I can run, ‘then you go out there and play.’ So when I’m 50 percent, I’ll lie and say I’m 85 percent or 90 percent so I can go out there and play and I keep hurting myself. And so for me, I don’t want to look back and say “I could’ve gave it my all.” But people are gonna go, “Oh he’s not the same player.” I’m not the same player right now. I’m at 50 percent, I can barely run. I’m not even practicing, I’m just suiting up for games right now. That’s how bad it is. But I just go out there, put my face on and try to grind it out.

SLAM: Just to go back for a second, you’re depicted as having a carefree and ‘quirky’ personality. Does that give you confidence on the floor? And considering the mature approach you plan on taking this year, how is it going to affect your style of play?

Gil: I remember I was, um, 11-years-old and my Dad had a basketball team. And it was right around that age when I started playing basketball. But he wouldn’t let me play on the team, so I played on the other team and we actually beat them and I had like fourteen. From there, that confidence of me beating his team never went anywhere. From there, I always had confidence about myself that no one could stop me because my Dad, he couldn’t stop me. So if he couldn’t stop me on the basketball court, who can? So I just worked and worked at my craft. So by me taking this ‘serious approach’….and you know what? When I made that comment it was more for the writers, I guess. Because my teammates, if I walked around here acting serious, they’d lose their minds. They want me to have fun. They want me to loosen up, because people take everything so serious they don’t know how to enjoy the game of basketball anymore. For some players careers are long, like Stacey Augmon, he played 18 years. But for some players it’s short. And so you have to enjoy every moment, you don’t want to leave anything behind. That’s why I have fun and that’s why I think people gravitate to me more. Because I like to have fun with it and still go out there and do what I do.

SLAM: So there won’t really be any changes in how you approach the game this year?

Gil: My antics don’t come between those lines, everything is around the lines. Once I get on the court, I’m a demon. I’m a demon player. And if I have time to smile or shake someone’s hand in the crowd then I’ll do that, but other than that it’s business.

SLAM: How has your engagement and a growing family grounded you and helped you through the injuries you’ve had?

Gil: I think if I were still playing I’d be riding that wave out, but just being at home and playing with my children and not at the gym so much has me appreciating what family values are. It’s helping me slow down and appreciate things even further.

SLAM: Are you gonna be one of those ‘Sports Dads’ who tries to instill the love of the game in your kids or will you have a more hands off approach?

Gil: I’ll be just like my Dad. “Whatever you wanna do is whatever you wanna do.” When I grew up I was a football player, he was a basketball coach, and he never pressured me or tried to make me play. He coached the team and for a year, I just used to watch and then one day me and my friends started to play at school. Things just went from there. It was just a faster pace for me I guess.

SLAM: That’s what you appreciate more about basketball than football?

Gil: Yeah. I can’t watch football. I can watch certain players during football games, but it’s too slow for my mind. I’ve got a quick mind and it just moves. So once basketball came in my life, I dropped everything and just focused on that.

SLAM: What are your goals for the upcoming season? What do you see the team doing and what do you expect of yourself once you’re healthy?

Gil: My number one goal is to be 100 percent. I don’t think the fans around the League should see anything less than me at 100 percent. I’m entertaining them. The more I’m on the court, the longer those people are in the seats. And I think that we need to get off to a good start. If we can do that while I’m rehabbing, I think it’s going to be great for our season. Every year for some reason we come out of training camp and we’re sluggish. Last year we were 0-5 and the year before that, we were 0-8. So I think we just need to come out of the gate strong.

SLAM: How much have you guys focused on defense and what that will mean to team success this year?

Gil: I think it’s gonna mean a lot. We proved that we can score. But the scoring teams in this league are not very good at defense. We’ve seen it from the Phoenix Suns, we’ve seen it from those Dallas teams. Now when you cut down the scoring and you add more defense we might only score 99, cause we’re not going to be running as much. When I was playing we were running, so we’re scoring, but we were giving up points. When you slow the game down, that actually helps in the points too and it keeps you in half court defense.

SLAM: It seems like you have enough scorers on the team-yourself in particular-that you can get off a shot whenever you want to, but it’s more about getting that stop to keep the game under control.

Gil: I talk to other players and I had free agents all year asking me what am I doing and what team am I going to cause they wanted to play that up and down. Even though it’s “winning” basketball to stay in the half court, a lot of players don’t like playing in the half court in today’s game. They wanna just go, they just want to run, they want to feel alive. Players don’t feel alive when they’re in that structured half court, but it wins championships.

SLAM: The open court game does provide more shots and a chance for everyone to showcase their talents.

Gil: And that’s why somebody like me can average 28 and Caron can average 20 and Antawn can average 20. Because there’s shots. When Larry Hughes was here, he was the same. I averaged 25, he averaged 22 and Antawn averaged 19. They all scored. And when he went to Cleveland thinking it was that same system they were running before-just a fast break-and he got there, and Mike Brown got there and put them in the half court, he never was the same. Only one player dominates in half court, the main player.

SLAM: You’d rather see everyone shine.

Gil: Yup.

SLAM: Now come the end of this season, where do you think that you’d be ranked if we made another list?

Gil: At the end of the season and I’m playing at 100 percent? I’d be in the top…um, 7.

SLAM: Switching gears, I thought we could have some fun with a few general questions. If you had to choose between video games and porn for the rest of your life, which one would you go with?

Gil: Porn.

SLAM: Why?

Gil: Cause I’m a man. Video games is kids stuff.

SLAM: But as far as porn goes, you can get the real thing anytime you want to. There’s no substitution for video games.

Gil: That’s what you think. ‘Real’ men don’t hit it as much, from what I’ve heard. You got a little porn in your life, it’s all there for you. If your woman’s trippin’, bam, you’ve got it.

SLAM: Have you ever played Murder, Marry or F*ck?

Gil: Who?

SLAM: Murder, Marry and F*ck. I give you three people and you have to pick one for each.

Gil: Oh, I’ve seen that on 30 Rock. Okay.

SLAM: Alright. Oprah Winfrey, Whoopi Goldberg and Star Jones. What do you do?

Gil: I’d marry Oprah of course…

SLAM: For the money?

Gil: Yeah. She’s also the cutest one out of those three. I’d f*ck….Whoopi and I’d murder Star Jones cause she has a Rottweiler’s head on a Doberman Pinscher’s body.

SLAM: She does look like a deflated parade float.

Gil: Big bobblehead.

SLAM: Alright. Sarah Palin, Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama?

Gil: That’s rough. I’d marry Obama….

SLAM: Why is that?

Gil: Cause if she got him this far in the Presidential race, I know she can do wonders for me!

SLAM: I hear that.

Gil: And uh…..I’d f*ck Palin…and who was the other one, Bush?

SLAM: Clinton. Hillary Clinton.

Gil: Yeah, and I’d marry Hillary. I mean I’d kill Hillary. She just looks conniving.

SLAM: Yes! Thank you.

Gil: She’d have you assassinated at any minute. She’s just ready to get in there and push the button.

SLAM: Speaking of politics, it looks like you’ve been replaced on the Obama/Arenas ticket by Joe Biden. How do you feel about that?

Gil: With who?

SLAM: Joe Biden.

Gil: Joe Budden?

SLAM: Joe Biden.

Gil: That’s the problem, I don’t even know who he is.

SLAM: You don’t know who Joe Biden is?

Gil: No.

SLAM: He’s Obama’s running mate.

Gil: That’s what I’m saying. I don’t know who he is. I’m the only Vice President cause I was the original Black President. So when Obama came into office, I said “I’ll slide aside, let him be in command and I’ll be his sidekick.”

SLAM: You’re probably the better backup anway. That way, if anyone kills the Black President, there’s another Black President.

Gil: That’s right. And I’m a wild card.

SLAM: What do you know about Sarah Palin?

Gil: That she’s a female Bush. Retarded. I’m not that into politics, I try to stay away until things get closer. But just from what I can tell she’s a moron. She can’t bullshit yet. As a politician she doesn’t know how to bullshit. She’ll just run around the question. “Who’s better, Kobe or LeBron?” “Well you know D.Wade, he’s been looking nice lately, so those are tough choices.” What the f*ck are you talking about?!

SLAM: Andrew Bynum has been bragging about his Halo skills. You think he can see you?

Gil: No. No athlete can see me.

SLAM: So what’s your weapon of choice?

Gil: Sniper.

SLAM: Sniper, huh? I like the sword. Or the sticky grenade.

Gil: Wooooow! You can’t play with me then. You should’ve just said shotgun. Or rocket launcher.

SLAM: Why do you think nobody’s ever come out with a chocolate gum?

Gil: A chocolate gum?

SLAM: Yeah. It seems like a decent idea and no one has come with it yet.

Gil: Pssssh…a chocolate gum. I don’t know, man.

SLAM: Would you chew it?

Gil: Nooooo…

SLAM: Why not?

Gil: I don’t like chocolate besides mixed chocolate and vanilla ice cream.

SLAM: So no Hershey’s, no bon bons, none of that shit huh?

Gil: Not really. I just think chocolate is for girls.

SLAM: Word?

Gil: Just seems like only girls always want chocolate. But you know what? I’ve got an invention. I’ll let your hear it, but if you make money you’ve gotta hit me off.

SLAM: I got you.

Gil:It’s called the Cool Aid (note: I couldn’t tell if he said Cool Aid or Cool Wave. Either way, copyright pending…) It’s like the microwave, but the Cool Aid. So for instance you can put a warm soda in the machine and boom, it’s cold. Most people, “Oh no, you call that the freezer”, but nah, the freezer takes two minutes. Just like you’ve got the oven and the microwave, you’ve got the freezer and the Cool Aid.

SLAM: But what else would you want to make cool besides soda?

Gil: Anything. Like if your ice cream is melting, boom, put it in. Beep!

SLAM: Alright, you give me the seed money and I’ll put that project in motion…

Gil: *Laughs*

SLAM: Last one. If Caron, Antawn and DeShawn were all dangling from a cliff, in what order would you save them?

Gil: Oh man. Um…Antawn cause I’ve known him the longest, and then me and him would pick up Caron and DeShawn. So there’s no last.

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  • Bo Diddly

    First! oh no, I’m one of them

  • einstein

    he doesn’t even know who biden is… where’s yao? no 15?

  • Clockwork

    Man, that was a dope interview, especially the “politics” part of it.

    But Gil is not better than AI.

  • Ken

    Waaaay too high, especially given his latest knee surgery. I love Gil as much as anyone, but he’s taken a lot of money and not done very much in the last couple years.

  • JK

    Is it just me, does he always come off as full of himself and douchebaggy? A little humility would suit him.

  • jay

    gill is injured. Put an asterisk next to his name*

  • Karl

    Good read! Thanks!

    Gil’s placing is about right if you dont count his present injury tolls….

  • starbury&stevey

    well…hes funny…hey BETCATS!!..no.17 and still cant see your cats men…i thought G-Force and J-Rich could make it,but i was wrong

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    pretty hard to place Gil here cos as the man said himself, he simply hasnt played, oh well, are the rankings on imaginary “if he was healthy” rules? cos thats kind of dumb and would see many *retired through injury* players in the top 50. Grant Hill would be like top 5 (or 3) if his career had been as injury free as MJ’s was….

  • Michael

    that was a great interview, and i thought he showed more humility than expected. good ranking for him i think but unfortunatley the ai rank has coloured the rest of the list

  • fluxland

    PlasticMan?! Nice. Also, sticky grenade is the best. I would play games and only use those.. zero shots fired.. all kills sticky. Love it.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I wonder if Gil would put Allen Iverson ahead of him.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I feel priveleged to finally know what the MMF question is. This interview was funny as h*ll. Gil is the man.

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    Does the phrase ‘i can barely run’ not have some kind of clue into why he is not the 17th best player in the NBA?

  • Squirrel7

    Haha, as if Gil would put anyone ahead of him!

    I’m a little confused though, if these rankings are done on ‘present-day’ performance, how is someone who has barely played in the last 2 seasons ahead of people such as AI, his more talented & less injury-prone team-mates (Butler & Jamison), Chris Bosh, and so on? Seems being a media-darling due to his blogging and personality (both of which I can’t stand) means that recent achievements are irrelevant……

  • Omar3

    NO WAY better than Allen Iverson!!! Last night he was on the BENCH, like always

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I hope dude mans up whent he season comes around and plays like vintage Gil. play wit it.

  • B_Easy24

    My man great interview

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    this list sucks you guys are stupid do you even watch basketball i’m never reading again until tomorrow

  • Anthony

    I love the last answer…Gil talks about a politician never giving a straight answer (and gives the Kobe/LeBron example)….and then when asked the question on who he’d save…he gives…a politicians answer!!

    Gil you got my vote for president….

  • Terrell

    How the hell is Arenas ahead of Ai when he has barely played in a year and a half and no one knows if he ever will be the same. Also even when he was good he wasn better than AI…whom apparently has lost a step but still was 3rd in scoring 9th in assist 8th in steals and lead the league in minutes while shooting 46percent and 83 percent from the line..what the hell?

  • KobeStopper

    Considering the fact that the majority of the list has been revealed, and we can figure out the players that remain, I think it’s safe to say that Arenas is the most overrated player on this list, BY FAR

  • Jeter

    He should be playing for Nellie. or Mike D.

  • Squirrel7

    I wasn’t hatin’ on the rankings, as such, I just think that if you’re going to penalize someone like AI for slowing down over the last 2 years through age (though I’m not sure he has!), then surely someone like Arenas would be penalized for having been injured for the majority of that time.

  • http://yahoo daanswer

    Gilbert ahead of Allen IVERSON?????? No way-no how! Hey SLAM- Stop it with the early morning crack smoking……

  • airs

    still got love for gil

  • fluxland

    Russ, that will only byefunny if you say it 5 more times today… order for your subscription to be canceled…and on the very last comment apologize and say SLAM is cool but for real this list sucks.

  • fluxland

    or be funny.. whatever.

  • Funkdoc

    he’d f*ck Whoopi?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    “I’m a fan so I’d put everybody in front of me, but once I’m on the court I’m not a fan anymore.”
    This is the most Gilbert quote ever.
    Oh, and if we re-order the Slam Top 50 list based on the dopeness of the actual write-up, this one’s a lock for No. 2…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Ryan:You left out the part where he called himself an assassin,I’d call that very Gil-like.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    That was actually a pretty dumb quote if you put the entire thing in context, Ryan.

  • http://ngunioamosotho.com Nguni

    no complaints on this one. i have decided to stop complaining. Aint gon’ change the rankings. Just enjoy the articles :-)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Jukai: EXACTLY. That’s why it’s awesome, and that’s why it’s quintessential Gil.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Wow! I love you.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Also, Nguni wins the Smartest Commenter of the Week award. Seriously.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Who? Me? I know, Sports Gal.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Nguni, that is. The thought of 300 more comments whining about A.I. makes me want to put my head in the Cool Aid and smash it with a hammer.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    You too Sports Guy.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Ryan:Ahead of my “The list is pointless outside the top 10,the articles are great and the complaining-type people are idiots” comment?Do you even watch commenting?Your best comment list is dubious.

  • andrew

    I fu(king love Gilbert. Thank god for this interview. Best piece yet in the list. Perfect spot for him, as he said himself. Top notch stuff, Myles. Your ideas and writing are a pleasure to read.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Izzo complaining about the list I made about people who complain about the list… does that qualify as meta?

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    what’s the problem? slam…, why he’s ahead of Al???

  • Terrell

    Arenas shouldnt be in the top 30 at this point..I mean damn how can he be this high when he doesnt play and his team was just as good or better without him?..this is crazy!! and I gues Baron Davis is coming up soon and he’s so good that he got benched after halftime in te most important game of the year for his team. Who the hell is doin this ranking??

  • andrew

    I’ve stopped reading most of the comments. This is a terrific interview, and the reason why I like Gil so much. I love the fact that Myles can ask him a bull$hit question like “Why do you think there’s never been a chocolate gum?” and he’ll answer it, earnestly.
    @Myles: I mean bull$hit in the best way possible. I’m Australian. Bull$hit is sometimes good.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And Izzo, to your question: I try not to.

  • KA

    dope piece. I’m like doug Collins, I totally feel like I have this bond with gil now.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Myles, excellent work, great interview, Gil really is a breath of fresh air in the stale-ass media-dependent superstars of today. The reason? Because he does overvalue himself, he does it in a way that isn’t looked upon as faux and gives the majority of people a bad taste in their mouths because of it. Btw, the interaction between Jones, Izzo and the rest of the pork chops this morning here….not so excellent. We get, you guys don’t like whining…..NO SH*T! Most of us don’t but we don’t need to be reminded of it today just like I didn’t need to hear A.I. was listed incorrectly yesterday 300 times by the same 5 people.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    i’ve lost my ability to use capital letters and punctuation other than apostrophes

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    also forgot to mention that i totally hate allen iverson

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Ryan:Taking things very literaly this morning,aren’t we.
    Eboy:And how do we express the dislike of whining?By whining.How great am I?Surly forty year old…..

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *Because he doesn’t*- sorry.

  • maeng

    im a big fan of agent zero….he’s a great player and one of the best personalities in the NBA…but there is no way he’s better than A.I. plus a.i. has been durable while gil is always injured….

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Nah, I’m not whining Izzo. Just tired of the silliness from the writers, the same guys who give us sh*t when we veer off topic, which I think has finally gone away after along period of stupidty from most of us. I only come here day after day because I love the writers (Ryan, Russ, Myles, etc)works, not so much their opinions on the commenters opinions. Get it. This is their home, we’re visitors. That’s all I can think of ’cause I’m in the middle of working on something, but to go back on topic, Gil should be in the high twenties this year due to his injury and the unexpected results he will put up this season. the same can be said for Wade when he shows up, ’cause he’s going to be penalized for his sh*t season and his injuries last year and not be in the top 6 (where he should be).

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Eboy:I…….didn’t say you were.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm….it seemed like it, Izzo. Again, I’m actually working like a jerk*ff, so please don’t mind me. I think I’m more pissed that I wasn’t able to get the full jist of Myles interview because I’m finishing this sh*t.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    I betcha Allen Iverson is next. Allen Iverson hasn’t been called yet, right?

  • Krishan

    Actually eboy, I disagree. The second best thing about this list (besides the pieces themselves) is scrolling down the comments skimming for the staff writers’ getting baited by the whining. Explanation, then frustration, then sarcasm. It’s pretty funny. BTW, great read.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Eboy: My comrades’ surliness aside, I think the beef on our end is that people “complaining” about something that is totally arbitrary and meaningless and has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on their lives… is pretty stupid. You/we all can and should debate/discuss this; really, that’s the only reason to post this list in the first place. But there’s a difference between debate/discussion and mindless b*tching, and like everywhere else on the internets, there’s a lot of mindless b*tching here. Nature of the medium, I suppose.
    Point being, none of us (ok, well, most of us) don’t actually want to ban comments or discourage discussion, but I think there is frustration sometimes among those of us who care about the site in how many people post nonsense complaints that don’t elevate the discussion even a little. Is my point.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    All that said, I do not speak for Mr. Bankson.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Ryan: the list is called ‘definitive.’ Maybe you guys should change the subtitle to ‘The totally arbitrary and meaningless ranking of the best players in the NBA today…’ and you wont have this problem?

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    or, I mean, maybe you can do some of the other things I suggested like post a specific criteria or have each SLAM writer show their own list, or something smart, I don’t know

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    i’d get surly about being referred to as surly but i suppose that would be ironic like rain on your wedding day or allen iverson being ranked lower than gilbert arenas

  • Karl

    The rankings are getting interesting.. my top 16 prediction
    1.Kobe
    2.Lebron
    3.Chris Paul
    4.Dwade
    5.Garnett
    6.Duncan
    7.Dwight
    8.Carmelo Anthony
    9.Deron Williams
    10.Dirk
    11.Yao
    12.Amare
    13.Nash
    14.Paul Pierce
    15.Baron Davis
    16.Manu

  • Krishan

    or a traffic jam when you’re already late

  • Krishan

    stupid karl and his top 16 list ruined my attempt at being witty

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I’m puzzled by this list. A blogging Gil is better than a playing Iverson? With this logic a golfing Jordan must surely be ranked at least top 5.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Thanks Ryan. I’ve been an as*hole enough times around here to be chided and it was well deserved so I’m just trying to move in another direction (with periodic falling back into moronisisms)is all. Besides, Jukai has taken up the mantle as the village co*ksu*ker, so it’s all good!

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    it is not possible to ruin the canadian glory that is alanis morissette

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    The glory that Alanis is,someone should really teach her the difference between ‘ironic’ and ‘slightly misfortunate’.

  • fluxland

    I don’t even mind the “complaining” as much as personal chat room/msn like conversations that go on sometimes. At least the the whining is relevant. I really don’t care about someone’s opinion regarding chocolate milk or Nesquick, bus drivers in the middle of the outback in Australia, how drunk some guy is while posting, why BETcats got suspended, how Taco Bell makes his entire family gassy, or how I need to read Moose’s blog or what either of their plans are for the rest of the evening. Get a (chat) room will ya?!

  • fluxland

    oh and 10K spoons when all you need is a knife/ no smoking sing on your cigarette break.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    More DP’ing, easy on the sack, and watch the teeth, C’mon Jukai if you really wanna fill Eboy’s heels you have to do better than that.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Lz, trust me bro, if you want to “fill Eboy,” than go ahead, I’ll stay out of it.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Fluxland, I agree with what you said for the EXCEPTION of Bengston and Izzo discussing Alanis Morissette.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Jukai: Are you familiar with the concept of “marketing”?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And… out.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Ryan: Are you familier with the concept of a comment section, which is usually designed to hear opinions different from yours that don’t always have to be backed up with logic?

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    And… work for another seven hours so I’ll be here.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    a discussion would require a back and forth which was never established it was more of an offhand remark on my part

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    To whine just a little, I like Russ better when he capitalizes and uses punctuation.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Thank you Russ. Thank you consequence. Thank you THANK YOU SILENCCCEEE-Y ENCEEEE EEENCEEE.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    That may have been Jukai’s most insightful comment ever. :)

  • Krishan

    Isn’t it ironic…that a top50 post veers strangely into a quirky alanis morisette tangent and the said post is about gil? Don’t you think?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Hehe good comeback Jukai.

  • Froggiestyle

    Myles! Wow! Where to start? Great piece, amazing interview… just all around great. It feels like Gil is picking up a torch of realness that has been missing for a while now. More like these pleez! :)

  • matt the jazz fan

    yeah but the real question is: angela merkel, margaret thatcher, laura bush => M, M, or F?

  • Froggiestyle

    “If your woman’s trippin’, bam, you’ve got it.” Just classic.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    thinking about losing my ability to spell in here too obviously it’s not required

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Gilber Arenas is Allen Iverson with a better three point shot, less driving ability and more injuries.

  • niQ

    17?. that’s too generous for a guy who’s been injured for so long. him averaging 29 seems like a decade ago.

  • Froggiestyle

    Except AI has the biggest heart, where Gil has the most humor, “I just think chocolate is for girls.” so true.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    You guys better shut the hell up with this Iverson thing, or SLAM is going to put Kobe as number 16 to REALLY piss you guys off.

  • Jordan

    Funny guy but not a betta BBall playa than Ivy.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    I hate Gil as an oponet, love his personatiy, wish he was on the Bobcats.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    I don’t like him as an oponet either, BETCATS. I actually downright hate him as an oponet. We are on the same wavelength today, buddy.

  • fluxland

    Jukai – 10:36 lol.. and btw his name is BengTSson. Unless of course you are mistyping it on purpose ;)
    @matt the jazz fan – the correct question would have been: Angela Merkel, Margaret Thatcher, Yulia Timoshenko. Laura was never a leader.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Flux: that’s a stupid spelling, I’ll keep calling it Bengston, thanks.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    ok juky

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Anybody see Rudy Gay throw it down last night on Barry?? DAMN

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    James, stay on topic please.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Jukai, no. The dunk needs to be talked about.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Plus weren’t you just complaining aboutthe topic… again?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Jukai stop sassing me

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Dookai

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    James: Sarcasm much?

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Wow, I felt like Ryan Jones in that last comment. Whef, never again!

  • matt the jazz fan

    @flux: good call! and an obvious “F” to boot. too good…

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Hey Jukai, whats your facebook again?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    James: he dont got one, he has a @ssbook. OWNED

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    lol yo BET did you end up getting any of those shoes?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Flux:Can we append that so it includes:”Golda Meir:Oy or Vey?”?

  • Bo Diddly

    Where can we see this dunk?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Youtube maybe … but check TSN. It was ridunkulous!!! Its sick!! He just keeps rising, like Jukai’s head!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    yes

  • Bo Diddly

    Did you see Rudy’s dunk in summer league last year?? That ish was crazy. Possibly one of my favourite dunks of all-time. Two handed facials really get my juices flowing

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i am ouuuuuuuuuut

  • Bo Diddly

    ;) – Should that comment have been blocked??!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    The dunk is REALLY worth watching!!

  • Bo Diddly

    If you don’t remember the summer league dunk I’m chatting on, you should youtube it…It was on Darko or someone..

  • fluxland

    @matt: ;) that’s why i threw her up there ..clear F
    @Izzo: sure, why not? Not sure if she’d qualify for the F, tho.
    Not trying to get off “topic” either. I blame this on Mr. Brown.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Yeah its like that except he gest up like 8 inches higher. He just keeps rising, as Barry comes forward he climbs him and throws it down. And he has a two handed facial and1 in the game, not as pretty but still a facial.

  • MENDEL

    this list is TRASH. Gil infornt of AI on a list thar Slam endorses. Hate to say it but, shut this site down.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    I was gonna post some haterific comment about how Gil should be ranked behind AI and what not, but baahahahahahahaha this interview was hilarious, so f-ck that.

  • MichaelJ

    two years ago I would have said that 17 is way to low for Agent Zero but this season and probably the next and the season after that, Gil will just be sitting on the bench watching his Wizards franchise go down. goodluck Wizards fans

  • RV

    word press sucks

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Can the writers stop complaining about repetitive comments? I would think by now you’d realize this will continue to happen when you post rankings one by one on separate pages. Its not like someone didn’t mention it back at the 49th spot..

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  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    gilbert arenas is off topic to begin with

  • http://nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    MENDEL, gimme your list and let’s see if I agree with you.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    and i was just complaining about repetitive comments by the same people in the same post actually but since i have no authority or earned respect whatsoever i’ll just join the chorus

  • el-bot

    why did it take 34 rankings until the first Plastic Man reference?!?!

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Russ really needs a hug

  • luvshaq

    jeez

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Wow things are nuts here lately.

  • Bruno

    AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…AI…

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    …..

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    this list is amazing you guys are the best i can’t wait to read again tomorrow

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Damn that. I’m going to need an explanation for what pushed Gilbert over Iverson. I hate to agree with Jukai, but it would be really helpful to see the criteria for how decisions were made. Just some basic guidelines or something. I can’t understand how Gilbert is bringing more to the table right now than Allen Iverson. He’s a point guard who has never averaged more than six assists.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    He’s a a career 43 percent field goal shooter. He’s a known chucker, and takes way too many long jumpers. He is nowhere near Iverson when it comes to creating contact and does not have AI’s ball hawking skills. He has only been out of the first round one time! This has to be addressed in a real manner.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    this all takes away from the point that this interview is the best thing posted on this site ever so maybe just read it and enjoy it and be happy you didn’t have to pay to read it between the pages of an actual magazine

  • Jake

    Am I the only one that chews chocolate gum around here?Dentyne makes it….Still not sure if Gil should be rated higher than Iverson buuuut it’s ok .

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    word, Russ. I was shocked at how many of the comments were about the ranking and not the sick interview that accompanied it.

  • http://slamonline.com Khalid Salaam

    Myles, that interview was nuts. Good stuff man.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Allenp: They had no criteria. They’ve admitted this several times. It was a) who is the best team player and b) who is the best skill player, which leaves a lot of wiggle room and even more arguments. Then, after yelling at each other for half a month, they took everyone’s list and averaged them. TADA! Gil over Iverson!
    But thanks for backing me up on the criteria idea a good week and a half after I originally suggested it, Allenp.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Oh yeah, great interview or whatever the write-up was that I didn’t read.

  • Bruno

    ‘The totally arbitrary and meaningless ranking of the best players in the NBA today…’
    liked that….

  • tike

    once again SLAM mananged to mess it up again…i like Gil but hes just not better than Iverson period

  • Caleb

    I’ll guy with the other guys who have said this is too high due to his injury issues lately. This is supposed to best players right NOW, right? And though Gil may have a beastly season once he gets healthy, we don’t now that yet. So I think #27 may have been more accurate than #17. And over AI also seems questionable.

    But whatever, I like Gil.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Guys, drop all this “logic” crap. Look at that awesome interview!

  • Caleb

    “You guys better shut the hell up with this Iverson thing, or SLAM is going to put Kobe as number 16 to REALLY piss you guys off.”

    If only…

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Thanks Ben and Khalid.

  • Caleb

    It’s not that awesome. It was mildly entertaining.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And Jukai, why do you keep coming back?

  • fluxland

    Maybe some of us don’t appreciate the interview as much because we don’t care for the player to “open up” /”talk without reservation” about things that are not basketball related. I am sure you guys as writers, appreciate it more, since you get “the same old same old” from the players a good portion of the time. Not to say it’s not appreciated at all.. I did find part of it “intriguing” .. the rest was sort of entertaining/disturbing. I just don’t really care for much off the court stuff with these guys. Or I’m just a hater.. whatever. And Russ we pay with our loyalty and by bringing traffic to the site and directing other people to it. (while paying for our ISP) .

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Still Caleb, dissenting opinions are frowned upon here. Take that BS to DIME!

  • Caleb

    Oh I like that part of it… and that’s what I like about Gil generally (his blog is always a fun read). I just don’t think it’s the “MOST AWESOME INTERVIEW IN THE HISTORY OF INTERVIEWS” or anything. It was amusing.. nice job by both parties. On to #16!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Man, the attitude that people should be grateful to read the “great writing” of SLAM for free is idiotic in today’s media climate.
    Magazine sells are down across the board. Slam is online because that’s the growth market with the most potential and the magazine posts quality work online because it wants people to come to the site so advertisers will pay for space.
    Let’s cut this BS telling the masses to be grateful. People appreciate good writing, people constantly say they enjoy the articles. That does not change the fact that SLAM created a list of the 50 “best” players in the NBA for the purpose of driving traffic to the site and creating a discussion. Now readers are questioning how this list was created and the standard response from several Slam employees seems to be “shut up and be happy we even let y’all read this for free.”
    Are y’all serious? The SLAM subscription is $13, that in now way covers the cost of producing the magazine which means that ever subscriber is actually reading sh(it for free every month. The mag is paid for by having a high enough circulation to justify charging hefty fees for advertisers to add glossy ads to its pages.
    If y’all just wanted a circle jerk about how wonderful your writing was about the players, then maybe you should have avoided doing an ordered list and instead posted individual write ups about 50 players in the league.
    Of course, y’all didn’t really want that because that doesn’t drive page hits and page hits resonate with advertisers.
    Come off it.

  • Caleb

    BAM!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    The only thing that I found fault with in the Gil interview is the misnaming of MMF. It should be F, Marry, Kill, a game that has been in the public consciousness since around 1995 from the popularity of it on the Howard Stern Radio Show. The rest of it, for the smug and unintelligent, is one of the best and realest interviews with a sports figure I’ve ever read and I’ve read a ton. That is all.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Allenp, I think you’re missing the point. They interviewed GILBERT ARENAS! I don’t even remember anything about a list that doesn’t make sense, the one that the people who made it refuse to justify anything on it. Chocolate gum, what will that Gilbert Arenas talk about next?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Allenp is a f*cking beast.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Wow Allen, that’s some deep sh*t.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai, can I ask, when you read this, wasn’t this a little bit more entertaining than reading someone elses words to describe a player and their perceived psyche? Straight from the horse’s mouth and all that jazz? Just asking. Answer when you feel like it.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Look, I apologize if I offended any Slam employees with my rant. I was angry, and didn’t write in a totally respectful manner. I mean everything I wrote, but reading over it, it was kind of harsh and I’m not trying to be rude to other folks.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Eboy, I like straight question and answer interviews and I like stories where the writer filters the words and tells a story. They both have their merits to me. My complaints had nothing to do with Myles’ work, which I’m sure he knows I am a fan of since I have said this numerous times. The fact is SLAM created an ordered list for a reason. They are saying which players are better than others in SLAM’s opinion. I can’t understand the hostility towards explaining how that decision was made, particularly from media folk who regularly complain when the entities they cover fail to be transparent. I’m not on here saying SLAM sucks or anything like that, I’m asking legitimate questions about how decisions were made.

  • Caleb

    Don’t be a Kwame Brown Allenp.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I guess free is better than nothing right?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    If I couldn’t stand the condescending and out-of-touch attitudes of the people who created the content that I consumed on a website, I don’t think I would visit that website anymore. What would it say about me if I did?

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    What the f*ck is everyones problem lately man. Its one thing to disagree but damn is it THAT serious? Are you offended by the list? If so you’re an assh*le. I think the writers should lighten up a bit and not take the commenters so seriously but other than that I don’t see any problem. F*ck it re read my last comments on the Allen Iverson piece.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Eboy…
    I think this would be a great read in a portion of this website which has nothing to do with ranking the top 50 basketball players in the game today. I think this interview was a lame and cheap attempt to distract people from actually thinking for themselves and questioning the process by which SLAM haphazardly put together a list they should have forseen causing problems. I think this is a way SLAM to take some heat off themselves because they get OFFENDED when someone disagrees with them.
    However, I’m not going to outright give my opinions anymore. I’m going to treat this the same way they treated my complaints, by acting all sarcastic and smug throughout this article’s comment section.
    Plus, I’ve made a few awesome zingers, I’m on a roll baby. Can’t stop now!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Or, if such a website had so many problems that I spent most of my waking hours complaining about this website and its problems and poor decision-making, again, why would I keep coming back to this website? How would that reflect on me and my intellect, and the ways in which I chose to spend countless hours of seemingly every day?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    SLAM, love it or leave it….
    Are you all f(ucking serious?
    Is that the attitude intelligent people have when challenged? I’m not defending Jukai’s attitude, he’s pompous, obnoxious and clearly a little jealous, yet he is asking legitimate questions and the response is “If you don’t like it here you should just leave…”
    That’s some straight up B.S. for a group of intelligent people to say. Intelligent people can have disagreements and discussions without resorting to “Go back to Africa” chants.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Asking questions as a way of making a point is profound!

  • Caleb

    All lists cause problems.. that’s sort of the nature of lists. “Questioning the process”? It’s a freaking list. It’s for fun and entertainment.

    Do we really care that much? I just like reading the stuff, and while I think that Gil is too high here… I can’t see how it really matters. Yeah, they called it “definitive,” but we all know that’s media BS and we shouldn’t take it seriously.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Ah, vintage Ryan Jones, more counter-distractions. Lemme take a picture!

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    is it still traffic when it’s just the same ten cars driving around and around in circles 24 hours a day seven days a week i’m just curious

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Myles told me to go back to Africa after an argument last week. I’m still confused by that.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “I think this is a way SLAM to take some heat off themselves because they get OFFENDED when someone disagrees with them.”

    I really don’t think that’s true, Jukai, the problem, if it is one, falls on the fact that the SLAM writers make themselves available to their readership on this website so there is some form of a personal relationship between the writers and us, the commenters/readers. It makes for a great interaction with guys that put forth the effort to entertain us and sometimes I think the personal side of it flys into the face of madness when things become touchy. I doubt their is any alterial motive on anyones part from the mag’s side.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    also if we’re making a ton of money off of all this ‘traffic’ i’d love to see some of it trickle down ain’t working damn reaganomics

  • Caleb

    We’re all from Africa if you go back far enough!

  • fluxland

    Also, I e-love everyone on here regardless of anything. Oh and Russ, I forgot to mention how many times I open an ad in another tab (without looking) cuz I know it helps, or at least I hope it does.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I DID go back though, just so that’s clear. And the Ivory Coast is lovely this time of year, so I’m totally staying!

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Russ, if that’s the case, maybe the approach isn’t working. How about, let’s say, intelligent basketball? No? Okay, back to praising the interview then.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    *intelligent basketball conversation. Had to clear that up.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    i got mad alterial motives son

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    Myles, this is the best submission to this Top 50 List yet. One of the best interviews I’ve ever read online and another reason why both you and Gil are my favorites. Thank You!!

  • tealish

    Allenp speaks true again.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Haha, this is really fantastic. Instead of answering Allenp’s original question, Russ is complaining about money. I guess we have to slip him 20 bucks to get his reasoning.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    F(uck it. It’s y’all’s website and y’all’s magazine. Y’all set the agenda and determine what is and is not legitimate. I forgot that for all it’s wonderful writing and counter culture mystique, this is still a media business populated by an offshoot of the same folks that operate most other media businesses. Y’all be cool, man. I have a couple stories to write and all that jazz.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    As witnessed above, Ryan get’s snarky & Russ stay’s dissinterested. That’s how it is.

  • tealish

    Taking AI out of the equation, this ranking for Gil is pretty good. The interview was interesting to read.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    There are NOT that many white people here, though, which seems sort of ironic. I though that’s what they meant by “Ivory,” like in the Paul McCartney song he did in the early 80s. Might’ve been a duet.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And I love it regardless. Give and take, boys, sh*t ain’t perfect all the time.

  • fluxland

    Russ, sorry I don’t know how the “traffic” deal works. I thought by coming myself and promoting it to other people, it was helping. I don’t know what to tell you about money not coming down to you…

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Damn I’m invisible here lately. F*ck it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I see you, Shia.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I’m just trying to out-absurd the absurdity, Eboy.
    Here’s the thing: Your boy with the HILARIOUS pen*s enlargement link behind his name has commented roughly 25 times on this post, and the point of basically every one of those posts has been “You’re wrong, you’re defensive, I question you’re judgment, don’t get defensive, you suck, explain yourself, oh wait you can’t, oh now you’re sarcastic, this list is bogus, you guys suck, I’m laughing at you, seriously why so defensive, ha ha look at me making fun of you all.”
    And I guess I don’t get it.
    You don’t like the list, cool. Neither do I.
    You don’t like our opinions, fine. You’re entitled to yours.
    You can’t figure out why people who write for a living and put a lot of time into creating something would get defensive when that something is publicly attacked for no apparent good reason, ok. You’re either not that smart or trying to draw a response, or some combination of the two.
    What I don’t and can’t understand is why anyone — specifically a regular reader of this website — would read this interview and give it no credit for it being funny and creative and entertaining (all of which most of us agree it is) and instead spend literal HOURS complaining about it and the people responsible for it and the rest of the site. All honest questions and criticisms are welcome, but really, if it’s that bad, and if you’ve made a very public habit of complaining about the site and its content and creators for a long time, WHY DO YOU KEEP COMING BACK?
    I honestly can’t understand. Is dude on house arrest or something and literally has NOTHING better to do with his time? I’m being as sincere as I possible can here, which I know is really important. Explain, or don’t, but that’s the view from where I sit.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    i didn’t realize i was asked a question and the list is what it is if that isn’t readily apparent because there is no statistical formula you can put together to rank players unless you’re david berri or john hollinger and i don’t think any of us are that and even if you do use some kind of formula it’s hard to compare guards and centers and when you ask the opinions of ten or more so-called experts and distill them into one list you get dissent among those ten people let alone amongst the general populace and i guess i’m just sort of surprised by the sheer vitriol this thing has caused and i suppose we shouldn’t argue our own points so vehemently but obviously i shouldn’t care so much since it’s just a list and in ten years no one is going to remember anyway

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    .

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    That was for Russ. He looked like he needed it.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    but anyways it was a hell of an interview and I enjoyed every bit of it. great piece, Myles.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    This is exactly what I envisioned when I spent all afternoon on the phone and transcribing this interview. But I did it anyway. I never asked to be jerked off or revered as the second coming of Cronkite. I do this for free because I enjoy it and I thought that others would too. It wasn’t even a groundbreaking interview, but I thought it was better than hearing me wax poetic about Gilbert Arenas. Apparently it wouldn’t matter either way, because he’s in front of Allen Iverson and I should have wasted this space explaining why it’s impossible for a dozen people to come a common criteria in judging hundreds of players to the satisfaction of thousands. Again. So to whom it may concern in the art department: I’m seriously considering changing the name of this blog to Why Do I F*cking Bother? Please have a banner ready, just in case.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    But a sincere thank you goes out to all who actually read and enjoyed the interview.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    The interview sucked!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Ryan on fire.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    i believe that was my bad for suggesting that people appreciate the interview and i sincerely apologize for overeffusively praising the work of a fellow writer and distracting people from what really matters 18

  • fluxland

    Thanks for 2:04 comment, Myles. First time I have seen a SLAM writer do that. For all the time us readers say “Thanks for that, X writer! Good stuff!” I’ve never seen an “You’re welcome “or “Thanks for reading”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    No hate for almost half an hour? VERY disappointed…

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Actually, I have gotten responses from every writer in here at one time or another if I have praised their piece, and vice-versa if I had something good to add or a valid comment. With that said, thanks guys (this includes everyone, even the commenters).

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Ryan, you stole my words and I want royalties. I called out jukai for being like that weeks ago and everyone said I was an assh*le.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    You are an asshole, kid!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    You’re a likable asshole. So is Eboy.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    That didn’t read right. Disregard. No homo.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Homo exotic?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    That would be making love to a Lamborghini’s tailpipe.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Gilbert Arenas wrote an amazing blog about his relationship with his mother over at NBA.com. I will give that dude credit for not being afraid to share his true self with the world in a way that I doubt most people could ever manage. Besides the quirky ish, that’s a dude with a deep and dark past.

  • fluxland

    TAD, in all fairness, you are “one of them”. And you are right, I probably shouldn’t have said never.. more like seldom. And it’s usually a thanks for the compliment as opposed to a simple thanks for reading/swinging by the site. Maybe I’m just nitpicking. Either way.. to see it the way Myles put it was refreshing.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    In case I haven’t said it, I liked this interview and I liked all the write ups whether I disagreed with the ranking or not. Thanks E, Tad.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    TAD’s a big apologetic nerd.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’m already planning on just putting up one comment each on the Lebron and Kobe rankings ’cause that sh*t is gonna be bananas.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I’m writing No. 1, Eboy. I’ve already suggested closing the comments for that one, because there won’t be anything left to say after the comments go up for No. 2.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Flux is a racist. He called me “one of them”. Hmmm.

  • fluxland

    I hope you are kidding?!. One of them as in one of the writers. Then again I thought one of them would get offended since you are really a contributor. I should have said regular contributor. How do you get racist out of that? Please explain. Sweet mother of everything. Also, I am guessing LeBron is 1 and Kobe is 2 .. or Ricky Rubio is 1. :P

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    If I put those pieces together and use logical deduction, I may be the happiest person that comes through that day, Jones.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    TAD contributes? When? On his own blog? That fu*ker…….oh, he did write the Pistons preview.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    My writing No. 1 means it HAS to be LeBron.
    Unless it means it has to NOT be LeBron.
    Either way.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yeah, it would be funnie if you wrote the Kobe piece, although my dissapointment level would take a huge spike.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *funny

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    No, please, stick with “funnie.” I’ll start calling you Cliff Palin.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    winks, “You betcha!”.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    *insert rant about the position of the above NBA superstar here*

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Thank you thank you thank you loyal readers. We are nothing without you.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Flux: It was sarcasm. Hi, have we met??
    Cliff Palin sounds oddly like it belongs together.

  • http://slamonline.com Khalid Salaam

    Interesting comments today, huh?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    That’s ’cause it sounds like “Cliff Claven,” who I have no doubt would be a better VP candidate than Sarah.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    NORM!!!!!!! Oh, and Ben: It’s too late for that now. We have clearly ran off Jukai.
    At least until tomorrow…..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    He’ll be back. He has to be back. He is most likely reading right now.

  • fluxland

    TAD.. thanks for explanation. Still hurdling language barrier.. thought I said something I (clearly) didn’t mean to imply/suggest/convey.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    wow, so much hate. Where is the love? I love yall and i loved this interview and love where Gil was placed on the list. Good sh!t by Myles and much man love (in a non-Jukai kind of way) to this list. Dont hate appreciate!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    !

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Flux: Like Myles, I graduated with a degree in sarcasm with a minor in idiot. If reading a comment from me and it my intent doesn’t appear clearly, remember this day.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    well, i love SLAM, and am still mad that my dudes G-Force and J-Rich didnt make the list, but SLAM is most definatly not “stupid” or “running away from hard questions”. It is just a LIST not some sh!t your life depends on. And bashing the people who put time into it is not a good idea because maybe they put effort into it? Disrespectfulness and disagreement are 2 different things. But i think Gil is in the right place here. The End

  • j.b

    not bettr then A.L

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    J.b: A.L?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Keith he meant Iverson

  • john

    gilbert is not better than iverson

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Having stuff explained to me by BETCATS? My life is at an alltime low…

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Have Keith diss me? My life is at an all time…oh wait nothing on here detrimes how i live my life.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Your spelling might do though, man.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    lol @ Keith, than BET than BET again and back at Keith!!!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Your obsession with me might do though, ma’am

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Touché.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    shoot i didnt want to be negative today… oh well, if i am a hypocrite then i am also a hypopotumus

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    You got something to say to that Keith … keep it coming… and BET did you get any of those shoes we were pretty much bidding on a couple weeks back?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    alright keith have we finished our duel

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    James, i did get 1 new pair of shoes, they are sexxxy Nikes (they are the blue high tops that cost $91 and are somewhere in kicks of the day)

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: BETCATS is my man.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Gosh, this is like a logic meltdown.
    I have work to do that actually involves me leaving my laptop, but I’m not posting anymore so I must have “ran off.” Okay, cool. I can see how people may think that.
    Many readers, from Flux to Allenp, have expressed concern over the list and how they do not appreciate what the writers are doing right now, but it’s pretty much just me who is causing the ruckus. Hey, I have caused problems in the past. It’s easy to look past other people and blame one person who is causing all the crap around here. I can understand that.
    I have not liked this list at all, so I must hate SLAM and have never once commented on a good article, despite countlessly praising good news findings or great blog-like writeups or fascinating interviews. Okay, that’s getting a little bit more off-base, but it’s cool, it’s cool.
    My name is orange cause I have linked to a penile enlargement website… okay, that’s totally true. Nothing I can do about that.
    I clearly must have no work to do because I have posted 20 something comments, which is inexcusable, but Ryan and Russ and Myles all get paid per post they make on SLAM, so them wasting time on here, while not writing for the magazine or the website is totally justifiable, and things should not get tossed both ways. Wow, that’s getting a bit odd, but okay, everyone seems to be accepting it.
    If I don’t like the article, I should keep my mouth shut or leave, but when SLAM doesn’t like the comments, they should respond as much as they like. Fan-tas-tic. I’m losing the logic here.
    Russ and Ryan and Myles think it’s totally justifiable to just rant and cry about how no one appreciates their work while not once have any of them answered why they think Gil should be ranked better than Iverson. I guess they have a lot of pent up anger, so I guess it’s reasonable.
    No one on SLAM seems to like this list, yet it keeps getting pumped out.
    Well, that last one just doesn’t make sense.
    Nice article though!

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Ben has just gone down in my estimation.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Ben is still awesome though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Hey Myles, that DC Sports Blog linked to this column, just like I told you they would. They really liked the interview, too. Only problem is, they didn’t complain about Gilbert’s ranking. I know that’ll bum you out.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Jukai, I read the first 3 words of your post but got side tracked by your link. Apparently, you can increase girth by up to 17%.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Keith: it’s subtle hints to Eboy

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Having read Jukai’s post, Jukai has now gone down in my estimation.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Jukai and Keith are my new support crew! I love you guys! So effin amazing at how effin negative you two effing attention wh0res (keith, you are no attention wh0re, that is just at Jukai) keep comming at everybody (except keith, who is a above decent commentor i admire from affar) and trying to get the point off that you are some how supperior to everyone here with your mental knowlege and how we all suck. To that i say: EAT IT APPLE SAUCE

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    BETCATs, I never said I was superior to any of the SLAM crew. I do think I’m superior to you, though. I mean, if you were going to ask that in the future.

  • fluxland

    Jukai.. for the record: I never once complained about the list or any ranking in any way shape or form. If anything.. I was among the very first to implore people to not complain excessively, since no one’s definition/criteria/opinion/ranking will be the same as they will all vary. I just wanna make that clear. No disrespect to you or any point you are trying to make.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    I actually don’t think I’m half as smart as either Myles, Russ, or Ryan. So when someone asks them why they think Gilbert is better than Iverson, I think it’s sort of shameful for them to start yelling at everyone for not praising Myles for that super slick and sexy interview.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    “Oct.8 at 1:14 pm
    Jukai says:
    Oh yeah, great interview or whatever the write-up was that I didn’t read.”
    “Oct.8 at 3:49 pm
    Jukai says:
    Nice article though!”
    READ THEN COMMENT

  • LA Huey

    How good is a guy who’s team seems to be as successful without him as they are with him? People talk about Yao…

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Jukai, you think you can compare to me. Jukai, even if you used the product in your link a billion times a day, you would have NOTHING bigger than me. This goes for Brains and Weiners (the 2nd i belive you like more than the first or you would be more tempted to use your own)

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Sorry Flux, went back to one of your posts, and I apparently misread it. Replace your name with mat smith or something.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Jukai, the thing that makes you fun is that, unlike some of the crazier commenters in our history, you’re fully capable of rational thought. That makes it all the more entertaining when you completely miss the point, which you’re doing now, so relentlessly and with such pride.

  • jk_light

    for every commenter that hates on the list or doesn’t appreciate the interview, there are hundreds who loved it like me and who appreciate your work to the fullest without commenting.
    I write here just seldom but follow slam from here in Europe since issue one.
    Keep the great work up.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    You called it Ryan. Good job.

  • MoneeMane

    Gil over AI? F*ck No.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Is it just me or has the commenting on SLAM turned a little aggressive and personal of late? I’m far from perfect in that respect, I know but it just seems that since the SLAM top 50 list started, people feel it appropriate to make outrageous comments, slurs and generally unpleasant comments. It’s not like I particualrly care but new readers of this website may find it off-putting.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    BETCATS: the last sentence was sarcasm. Next time I’ll wrap it in brackets with BIG BOLD LETTERS that say SARCASM so your inferior mind can comprehend it. Also, I only have one weiner. Do you have more than one? Do the ladies like it?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    and you think that because you go off and say”Jukai says: Great article though!” like a sacastic a$$hole you are not hating on this list. Get out of town, oh wait you are already at the Amtrack station.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Nice BET!

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Hey Ryan, explain it to me, explain the point that was missed by me and countless others who, unlike me, are incapable of rational thought. PLEASE explain it to me. I’ll even smoke some Mario Chalmer sh*t during it so I can feel all enlightened.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Being one of the crazier commentors in SLAM history, it is my civic duty to play my part in destroying Jukai. AND no i do not have more than 1 pen!s jukai, although you just proved my point of you liking d!ck more than brain

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    This is like a bad political debate.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    BETCATS: I AM hating on the list, you imbecile. Do I have to get you Hooked on Phonics or something? Did you not get the point of my page long rant? Do I have to write it on a chalk board while you sit indian-style on the floor with a juice box? You practically are the dumbest person on earth!
    Shoo! I want to hear Ryan’s response!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Jukai … you had this coming my brotha!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Keith: SHUT THE F*CK UP.
    I kid.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Shoo!? What am i your dog? Jukai you are my dog, no wait, you are too stupid to be my dog. Jukai you are my pet goldfish, five minutes till i flush you

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Hey now, how can he be the dumbest, i was the dumbest person back when Bosh was ranked. BET would have to be second!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    And yes i am the dumbest person on earth. If i would have gave your Mom $500 for that abortion, you wouldnt be here right now Jukai.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    BETCATs, I really think you need an MRI. You may have brain cancer. How are you this dumb and lame? Aren’t you in college or something? Stop hitting on Moose, go out there and get laid! Don’t talk the entire time either. And for the love of god, don’t write anything, or you’ve blown yer chance.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    hahaha best political debate ive ever sat in for … and the only one but great in itself!!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Jukai, since i have gotten ‘laid’ and your link advertises for pen!s enchancement drugs, i suggest you look in the mirror if you are on a virg!n hunt, not through a computer monitor

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Look BETCATs, I know you get some pseudo-sexual joy out of this, but I really am just waiting for Ryan to give me the point I’m so dearly missing out on. So go play with your pokemon cards or something, alright? Thanks.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    and i am in High School, you got Hi at School, we all have our things we do in our daily lifes

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Jukai, you are getting bad at this. BET got you flustered.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    No, i am gonna annoy the fu(k out of you till you cry and Call me Jesus while Spelling out the word ‘Missipi’ and pointing at the state of Misouri.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Jukai i am crazy on these boards. Ask anyone. I go apesh!t until i win. Ask Tarzan Cooper, NBK, Teddy the Bear, even James the Balla. I have no points in my arguments just like you have no point in living. I am the most narissitic, arsonistic, locoist commentor you will ever meet kid.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Jukai, what is your name on assbook?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    looks like i win. If jukai declares victory Japan won WW2.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    I hate that Teddy The bear cat … lol whats his assbook?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    James we won!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    this was the biggest waste of time investment ever

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Right, normally I’d love to waste office hours seeing who actually had sex with whose mom, but right now, I’m just waiting on Ryan’s answer to my question. Go ahead, declare victory and get blown by James the Balla.
    Ryan, still waiting on you buddy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Yeah but im going to clean out my INFINITI in like 2 hours so i have time to waste.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Jukai with the zinger.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    its hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooover

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    I feel like impregnating Jukai’s sister

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Jones isnt gonna answer you. And i am flattered if you think me and james do that stuff, but i dont role like that. Jukai + Keith = Steve Frances and Cuttino Mobley

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Jarron Collins and Jason Collins!!

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    I guess these were the intelligent commenters you were talking about who see past the rankings and respect the article, Ryan. Great, intelligent people. Anyway, back to “running away” or “doing work” or whatever you call it nowadays.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Unlucky Jukai. I got a response from Ryan, albeit a mean one, and you got nothing.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I’m totally caving here.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    …and cut-and-pasting because this won’t post. But here goes…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    NOAH: The point you’re missing, over and over and over again, is that this list is like any of the 4.8 billion lists published by American media outlets over the past seven-and-a-half years: It is arbitrary, and it exists to generate discussion and drive readership to said medium. This particular list is a collaborative effort that involved a bunch of unrelated people from different places with different backgrounds and formative experiences weighing in with their opinions on which players are the “best,” from 1-50, in the NBA today. In other words, it means nothing. You can like or loathe the manner in which this list was constructed and what you seem to think it represents, but that’s what it is, and I’m certain you understand that.
    For most of our readers, this list is a fun distraction, particularly when writers like Myles take the time to come up with a creative concept and spend even more time doing and transcribing an entertaining interview. But again, the list itself is what it is — a collection of reasonable and relatively well-informed opinions that literally cannot be correct or incorrect or anything other than what it is. A list. A list.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Also: We used “definitive” in the same way that other media outlets use it and other words like “exclusive,” which is to say that it looks and sounds good but, again, doesn’t actually mean anything at all. Again, this is how media work, and again, I think you get this.
    As for your specific beef with this specific Gil v. AI thing, and why we apparently keep “dodging” the question. One possible answer is, Let’s say I just think Gil’s better than AI. Or let’s say I don’t. Can we agree that it doesn’t f*cking matter in the least? That doesn’t mean you don’t share your opinion or question our judgment — again, we can handle it, and as long as you’re moderately polite (and most of the time even if you’re not) no one here will complain. It just means that as a reasonably intelligent person, you understand what this is, and have the emotional and intellectual maturity to let it go once you’ve spoken your mind.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    The thing is, I’m very sure you’re smart enough to understand all of this

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    i hate to start thid up since it seems to be dying out…but like I’ve said before (repetitive i know, sorry), the SLAM guys had to see this coming after the first few spots were posted. You HAD to. It was pointed out several times. At that time y’all could of either said f*ck it, let’s post them all within a week instead of weeks, or you could of just said we’ll keep it going and take it. Y’all kept it going, but didn’t take it. The responses in the comments by the staff just kept the readers going and expanding on it. Eventually the comments became the main attraction and not the write up itself because everyone expected the same to continue post after post. And it sure did. Y’all have kept it going just as much as we have, which definitely has to make readers, like allenp, wonder is its being done on purpose to keep the discussions heated and keep traffic coming in (the same ten may be posting, but there’s several more just watching and entering the site). Personally, i can’t blame SLAM for doing that, IF that’s the reason, or even part of it. However, blocking comments, questioning our intelligence, or continuing to bait readers isn’t the best way to go about controlling this. If y’all kept it going this far, why cut off the comments on number one ranking? I know its only been suggested, but it shouldn’t even be considered. Second, you’re not providing Iphone accessories here. There aren’t dozens and dozens of sites proving the same service. There are very few bball magazines out there and the majority suck. So we pretty much don’t have an another option and will continue to come back for that reason. That being said, SLAM is still a great mag, so i’m not saying you’re the least suckiest of all…as for the time you spent doing these rankings and writing everything up, its appreciated, but a lot of these write up include a lot of history and stats or other things irrelevant to how the ranking came about. It may be good stuff anyway, but that also adds to readers questioning the rankings. We don’t know what was taken into consideration, who argued for whom and how a conclusion was finally made. To sum it up, y’all made your beds, now lie in ‘em. Readers will always keep coming, bitching, praising, etc. I’m guessing most of you, if not all, love writing and love basketball, so regardless of the response you’ll keep writing. Which is why I think y’all shouldn’t get so upset over it. Hell, i’ve spent a lot of time writing stuff on Hibachi 2.0 (click the link!) and we don’t get many comments, so just be glad you’re still attracting several readers, so obviously you can’t be as bad as some readers say. Yes, a lot of readers’ comments are unfair, perhaps childish, or just plain stupid, but that’s what happens when your audience keeps exanding. You’re gonna get some good ones, some bad ones, and some crazy ones. Just gotta take the good with the bad.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I knew that year of teaching would repay you some day.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And yet, IN SPITE of understanding it, you keep coming back. Your very first comment on this thing, 7 or 8 hours ago, was something about how dumb one of Gil’s quotes was. From the get, you were negative and added nothing to the conversation. In and of itself, that’s TOTALLY fine — a lot of people add comments that are pointless or random or unnecessary, and I’m often one of them. It wasn’t a personal attack, and no one jumped on you for it. But then, while I think/hope most of our other readers were enjoying Myles’ interview, you kept coming back with negativity. Again, it’s totally fine and valid that you don’t like the list, and that you have questions — questions I know you’ve asked previously, and had answered, even if you didn’t like the answers — about how it was put together.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    But — and I guess this, really, is the point — you are acting like a complete f*cking clown. You act like you’re the moral arbiter of the comments section, standing firm through a blizzard of Slamonline spin and evasion to get to the bottom of the travesty that you find this list to be. And what a silly concept that is. And you just keep looking like more and more of an *sshole.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    AGAIN: It’s fine not to like the list. It’s fine to think the list is a joke. I guess it’s fine that you’d rather spend time thinking and talking about how much you don’t like the list and pretty much not allowing yourself to enjoy what was actually posted here. But there is NO LOGICAL REASON why you keep sitting on this perch and complaining about this non-issue. You’re like the guy at the small-town council meeting, where they’re discussing rising crime or how to raise money for a new school or the budget deficit or whatever, and you come to every council meeting every month and demand your turn at the mic and disregard the things that almost all the other people in town would rather talk about and you ramble on for some soul-killing immeasurable amount of time about how your neighbor’s trees are infringing on your view of the hillside, and dammit you’re a tax payer and the government needs to do something about it.
    And almost no one else cares, because they realize that your view of the hillside doesn’t really matter to anyone else, at all.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    So you should let it go, is the point. If you thrive on the intellectual exercise of having internet arguments with people you don’t know and will never meet, that’s fine — I sometimes enjoy them myself — but your approach is redundant and adds nothing positive to the overall experience of the site. You aren’t standing for anything important or significant. You’re nitpicking. Your persona is largely unlikeable and distracts both from the content of the posts you comment on, and from your own occasionally salient points. You are hung up on an insignificant thing, and you seem to be the only one who can’t see its insignificance.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    So I go back to: No, it’s not about “Tell us how great we are or don’t comment,” and it’s definitely not about “Go back to @frica!”…. good lord. But you’ve made clear that you have substantial issues both with the site and the people who create its content, and given that, I cannot imagine why you keep coming back, other than to be a d*ck.
    I think that’s the point.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    ***bows to Ryan and begins to wrap up work day and log off computer***

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    …test..

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    wordpress sucks!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And I also cannot believe that I spent as much of my day on this topic as I did. This internet is a horrible, horrible invention and will be the death of us all. Goodnight.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    props to Myles ahead of time

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    i haven’t actually read it because i’m keeping up with the comments

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    but it sounds like its a great read, will read it later

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    there, got it all in. Death to WordPress.

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    What’s good y’all??? Moose in da house!

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Why is that when Ryan talks about Jukai everyone kisses his ass but everyone jump all over me when I say the same thing! That’s f*cked up jones.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    A Jukai proud production:
    The summarization of Ryan Jones dumbass post!
    Point a: This list sucks. It had no criteria. It was meant to drive conversation.
    Point b: This list still sucks. It is a distraction. It’s purpose was to give writers an excuse to write-up on certain players. Myles got an awesome excuse to interview Gilbert Arenas cause of it. This list was made up from people’s intelligent point of views.
    Point c: We say it is definitive but it is not and we are only using it because other news organizations do it. Also, to attract attention. We dodge your question because we just believe Gilbert Arenas is better than Iverson and we have no facts to back it up. We’re going with our gut. This list is NOT made up of intelligent point of views. One post should be enough and you are are not allowed to post twice or respond to anyone elses’ posts.
    Point d: Jukai is smart (ed note: nice)
    point e: Jukai is not smart. Jukai adds nothing to the conversation. A lot of people add nothing to the conversation. Point is once again emphasized that Jukai adds nothing to the conversation. Point again is once again emphasized that it is alright.
    point f: Jukai is acting like an (explicative) clown. Jukai thinks he has high moral authority. The word “silly” is used.
    point g: It is fine not to like the list. It is fine to not read what is wrote because of the list. It is NOT fine to not like the list and post about it. Jukai is (ed note: apparently) the only person who does this. No one else does this but Jukai. Point is stressed that Jukai is the ONLY person who does this.
    point h: Arguing is fine. Jukai’s way of arguing is not fine. It is insignificant if the list means nothing, no selection can be explained logically, and the writers keep on putting it up when they’re clearly offended by all the crap they’re getting (ed note: he more or less said that).
    point i: Jukai gets a response that is clearly meant for Allenp, making everyone wonder if whenever there is a dissenting opinion of the list, Ryan imagines all their names say “Jukai” and gets angrier and angrier.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    To sum it up even more, I was finally told straight-up that there’s no god damn reason to explain any of this.
    And that the list was a joke.
    And that even if it was made for discussion, my discussion is the only one that is not accepted here.
    So in essence, Allenp’s question of “why is Iverson worse than Gil” can never be answered in an intelligent way, and that’s why it never got an answer in the first place.
    Congratulations. That’s all I wanted to hear. I can promise, -PROMISE-, that I wont post in Slam’s Top 50 again.
    I love this website. I really do. If you want, I’ll start e-mailing you every single time that I give this website a compliment, just so you can sleep better at night.
    I just think it’s a little pathetic that a website that many people, myself included, consider the most knowledgable basketball website in the world would release a list where absolutely statistics or basketball knowledge was put into. It was just “I think Gilbert Arenas is better than Iverson, I’m not going to really give it any thought, here it is.”
    I guess I imagined Slam putting a lot of time and effort into it so it could get what it deserved.
    Nope, it’s just one big excuse for Myles to interview Gilbert Arenas.
    Alright, I’ll see you guys around the news articles and the links. See ya.

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    I’m holding you to that promise, Jukai.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Thats a big post Jukai, and whats your assbook?

  • Anton

    Allen Iverson is better than this guy

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Me too! DOnt come back now ya hear?

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  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    who teaches the autistic how to use these computers anyway

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    any1 here?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i had to step out to go to the store but i am baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Its the way you post you stupid f*cking idiot. You act like your omnipotent about basketball. The truth is you know next to nothing. You want a basketball argument so you say and then when someone takes the bait you shoot their points down, not with actual basketball rebuttal but with “you’re stupid, you’re wrong and I’m right.” You really are Charley Rosen in disguise. You berate everyone and expect everyone to just bow down and respect your opinion. You’re the epitome of an assh*le but you love the attention that we all give you ,and here I am playing into it again. F*ck off, if you’re so smart publish your own basketball magazine and website. I get why everyone is so pissed off at you, especially the writers no one goes to your job and tells you that suck at jerking d*ck all day. The writers don’t suck they have a different opinion than yours God forbid, so then they incur the wrath of the all wise jukai whose opinion is the only expert opinion here. You don’t know jack dude you’re a nerdy loser who sits around stat boying it up all day and come in here and share your wealth of idiotic statements with people who actuallly get paid to watch basketball and wonder why you always end up looking like an assh*le. The truth is you love it and that’s why you keep coming back you don’t care about the list the magazine or the game you only care about aggravating people over the internet where they can’t get their hands on you just like a punk.

  • tealish

    SLAM: Who would you rank ahead of you?

    Gil: Player wise?

    SLAM: Yeah, overall. Just consider it a fantasy draft. *Hands Gil a sheet of paper* Here’s a list of guys you can’t mention because they’ve come up alread–

    Gil: ALLEN F*CKING IVERSON??

    SLAM: Yeah we f*cked up but please play along.

  • tealish

    Just kidding. The site’s the best. What’s probably the best about it, is how its writers aren’t afraid to unleash a b-slapping like Ryan just did a couple posts above. That was sensational to read.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    @ Bryan … THANK YOU.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Shia’s 5:44 comment>>>>anything i said

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Bryan is now my 3rd favorite commentor … BET being 2nd and me being first! :D

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    james you are #15 on my list of slam peeps

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    and i just checked the exact ‘name’ of the shoes i got, they are the Nike Air Bound 2′s

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Thats alright, i never played high school ball but play for Canada now, ill be the top 3 spots soon!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Im going to google the shoes and see em, they sound brick’ish!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    ooo ok, yeah i remember them shoes. I been looking for some Stan Smiths!!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Bryan and tealish are funny.

  • Quail

    i’d f*ck palin too. just sayin.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Stan Smiths? Do they have a discount clothing chain called Ross up in Canada? Google it. Ross got all the 04-07 Stan Smith models at it. It is a HUGE chain down south.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Allenp, since you read it, was i acting too crazy earlier

  • jeremy

    gilbert is much better than iverson

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Ross, with Stan SMiths … are they cheap and can you buy online???????????

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    BET, if james is #15 on your list of slam peeps, where is Moose (aka me)???

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    BETCATS, get your butt over to hibachi and read my celtics preview now.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    This didn’t go well.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I love everyone,except James the blla who doesn’t have ME in his top three. Shameful, kid, I’m an Icon.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    lol Moose, you guys are up there, im low on the list!!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And I say Jukai is full of it. He’ll be commenting tomorrow in the #16 post.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And BET get’s my vote as favorite commenter. I co-sign Ben O.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Eboy, you havent said sh1t to Jukai so your probly at 6. And im not a kid. Im 22 … im a grizzly bearded, harmonica blues playing monster of a man … k think.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    If Jukai never posts again, I will give my Kidney to Teddy The Bear and p1ss on him if he is every on fire!!

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Jukai is not on my ‘Top 50′ list.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    No way he is letting me or jones hit him with a knockout punch E.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    My SLAM fav commentor list:
    Above all: Holly MacKenzie (the G.O.A.T)
    1. Eboy
    2. Ryan Jones (hes ‘Da’ Man)
    3. Hursty
    4. Tom Waits (i know he is on here somewhere)
    5. Tariq
    6. Bryan aka Shia
    7. Me
    8. TAD
    9. H to the Izzo (just because he hates me)
    10. Money Bill Williams
    11. Myles (just because i never talk to him)
    12. Russ
    13. Sam (what ever happened to that boy?)
    14. Jake (where is he at??)
    15. James the Balla
    16. Me agian

    Now lets see who i piss off with this list

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Alright, i read it, great stuff….i agree with everthing Gil said, good thing i never got into video games. funny how he says he keeps going out not being 100% so he gets reinjured, but Tmac goes out 100% and still gets injured anyway……by the way, tmac this week “you talking ’bout preseason? I don’t need no stinkin’ preseason”….well not the exact words, but that’s pretty much what he said…he also said “whats funny is when i was lifting my shoulder was bothering me, i stopped lifting and it didn’t bother me much”….that alone should get his ass pushed out of the top 30 on this list for being a stupid, its only been said a million times that his trainer is wearing out his body with his incorrect workouts.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Moose is 6.5

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm…….James…..I’m sixteen years your senior, back up on that veteran act. :) And I’m not taking sides against Jukai. Like Ryan mentioned earlier, dude is smart, just misunderstood and a lightning rod for poor talk, although some of it is brought on by his unapologetic ways. And can I know call you James the Bigfoot? Or John Popper? Or The Blues Traveler?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Thank you for that Eboy

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Shia, I think you threw a big right that was unseen and took dude down for the standing 8 with your comment.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And BET, how are you #7 on your own list? You’ve got to be top 5.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i am humble

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai, I know your trolling, so just know I’m with you, my man, it’s just I’m with everyone else too and it’s hard being misunderstood and mislabelled. I think you are both, but it doesn’t matter, you have your own life and this is just web posting, we ain’t changing the world here.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Also Ryne is 6.5 sitting next to moose on my Most Like commentors list. If i would release a commentors i hate the most list it would cause to great of a stir. So i wont do it

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Well, BET kind of is, but that’s besides the point.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh, just do it, BET, it’s just words.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Fine

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Eboy, all of those names work. I also roll with Mini Wheat, and Light Weight.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    1. Eboy 2. Me 3. Me 4. B.Long 5. Teddy the Bear 6. Jukai (he is towards the bottom, because he just cant be on top) 7. Bruno (he is cool, but sometimes annoying) 8. tike (that b@stard never visited my site) 9. Hibiachi 2.0 (they are all cool, but i just wanted to raise awarness for their blog for the counter-BETCATS movement) 10. Me agian

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    BET, you read the preview???

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    reasons people are on it: Eboy- Lenny wilkens had most career wins and most career losses, it doesnt need to make sence, Me- I need better one liners like wh0res need better 1 nite stands, Me- I am dissatisfied with some of my arguing skills, B.Long- was a decent commentor writes a good NOYZ but is arrogant and trys to get under my skin and has ‘teamed up’ with Jukai to attack me, Teddy-needs no explamation, Jukai- he is nuts i am nuts nuts hate nutes end of story.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Moose you link it i read it

  • Ronni

    u suck slam U SUCK! AI is better way better

    DIME ALL THE WAY

    Slam sucks

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    fine, whatever. and i’m disappointed by the ranking, by the way, i think i deserve more than 6.5. we still ehomies though, don’t worry bout it. http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    Ronni, whoah.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Moose i found a link i read it and left a comment

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    BET, it’s awaiting moderation, check back at 6:36. Or just click RV’s name.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Ronni = Jukai = Tarzan Cooper = Teddy the Bear = Chukaz, the circle of crazy

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    wooooo wooooo, Ronni, slow down chache. SLAM what? SLAM put it to DIME ages ago. Get out of here Ronald!!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Moose, do you know what happened to PP aka Peoples Princess?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Ronni is Jukai!!!

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    Cool, BET. I’ll think bout it for a bit . . . but prolly yeah. i’ll get back to you in a coupla days, most likely.

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    No idea what happened to him. I was thinking the same thing.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Im out … peace

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    It looks like i might join bachi, too BET. MIGHT.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    hit me up at cowcluper@aol.com if you want in

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    well if you wanna join them do it. I am not gonna be the one to stop you

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Im out

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    aight. i’ll get back to you soon.

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    great, BET. i prolly will. i’m out too.

  • Young Chris MP3

    Not better than Iverson.

  • ber

    I can’t decide what’s more entertaining…the article or the comments. Great interview, Myles!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i came back to use my AIM, but i got a little sidetracked updated my site! read it kids.

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    that is always a tough decision, ber.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    moose i only got a minute before i need to chat up with my lady, so read it!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    well i am done promoting, i have to go chat now. Peaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    thanks, BET. OUT.

  • andrew

    I always thought it was Bengston until just then. Weird. I’m usually good at reading.

  • http://karanmadhok.blogpsot.com karan

    one of the funniest posts on slam ever.
    hibachi is a living legend

  • Jack

    Yeah now I really love Gil, probably the most entertaining guy in the league, but he’s not better than AI. AI should be like #8 and Gil #10. Wonder where Yao is?

    Gil’s right on with the players above him though. Melo should be in the top 6.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=627550406 KA

    holy crap the place went ballistic O.o allenp is pretty much on point but id stick with gil over ai currently based purely on gil being more relevant in the nba then ai at this point.

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    Slam has hit an all time low. You know, I gave you all the benefit of the doubt. I assumed that Gilbert Arenas was ranked at #51 and would never see the list.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    What a day.

  • tealish

    It’s been glorious, hasn’t it

  • Froggiestyle

    friggin pandora’s box if ever there was one

  • http://www.triplejunearthed/dacre Dacre

    nash will be ranked higher than yao.
    I dont like Gil.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed/dacre Dacre

    the ONE saving grace is that Gil likes Nash. But then neither Gil nor Nash like/know me so its the single most irrelevant point in the known universe.

  • http://johnhotmail.com dongles

    my top 16 would go something like this

    lebron
    kobe
    wade
    paul
    garnett
    duncan
    ming
    stat
    deron w
    diggler
    p double
    howard
    carmelo
    nash
    davis
    emannuel

  • davidR

    mustve been fun interviewing gil, myles

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    Sixers beat my Celtics in their first preseason game last night.

  • davidR

    i can understand gil being top tier when healthy, but even then his teams haven’t accomplished anything, especially in the east. and i can see why ai is ranked 18 (playing with melo somehow knocked him off top tier status). so yea.. if i were a gm and had to choose between building my team around gil or ai, given both were injury-free, i’d pick gil because he has more long-term value, and because he’s easier to build around at this point of time

  • davidR

    i really gotta check this site before 4am pst

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Just so I got this straight: Jukai banned himself? Interesting….

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  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Wow. Most comments in a long, long time. That was crazy. Co-sign Ben’s last comment. And Froggiestyle.
    There was stuff in there that I laughed at, wanted to respond to and go nuts and was interested in a whole lot of what was said. Peace, Hursty.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Oh and no.3 from BET! Yeh! :)

  • j-smoov 5

    Hahaha that’s a tight article. :D

  • arthur

    This is the problem with a comments section: I, as a reasonably intelligent person, read and immensely enjoyed the interview, and, having nothing in particular to contribute and not wanting to brown nose or appear condescending, decided not to leave a comment. Were I an idiot with an axe to grind I may have spent several fruitless hours irritating Slam staff and dedicated commentators trying to have a constructive argument by whining, throwing countless plastic toys out my over-sized pram before concluding that the entire mess was not my fault.

  • arthur

    Don’t let the pr*cks keep you down!!

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  • http://n/a 007

    wow interesting comments..never knew it was this serious..but anyway..IMOHO..i think d readers should have at least a decent right to hear the justifications for the rank list.
    Writers being professional shouldn’t treat their work as nothing cuz i dont believe it is.
    It’s all bout credibility to get respect. and value for the readers/commentators. this is still bout business.

    Regarding d list being of anyone’s opinion..it’s hard to admit 1s fault..but logic can tell this not a fairly accurate list.
    But then again..who is perfect?

  • http://ethosstrategygroup.com Patrick Lok

    I like basketball. This was a great interview. That is all.

  • http://slamonline.com Chocolate Gum

    So Gil, Stacey Augmon played 18 years in the NBA? He was drafted in 1991 out of UNLV, so shouldn’t he still be playing?

  • http://www.sohu.com sohu

    hehe

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