Quantcast
Tuesday, October 21st, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  402 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: Paul Pierce, no. 7

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by russ bengtson

paul pierce what the hell is paul pierce doing here sure he was the finals mvp but he wasnt even the best player on his own team last year yeah so kevin garnett said he was the true mvp of the celtics what did he know that was just kg being kg selfless to the end everyone else knew the truth the truth you can’t handle the truth my name is shaquille oneal and paul pierce is the motherfucking truth the truth the truth went toe to toe with lebron in a game seven and came up on top went up against kobe bryant in the finals and came up on top again but that doesn’t make him top ten now does it not gonna give you numbers cause they don’t matter and they can just get twisted

and you can go look them up if you really want because they’re out there in plenty of places you can even sponsor his basketball reference page if you want to nevermind its too late what I do know is this that pierce is big and tough and good from three and a beast in the post and terrific at getting his shot off because you’re not gonna put a body on him he survived antoine walker so he can handle himself whether hes competing with opponents or teammates drafted late hes been proving people wrong ever since stabbed multiple times in late september of two thousand he made it back that same season and played all eighty two games and had a career season but this isnt about that although he played in the eastern conference finals long before the kg resurgence carried a bad team with a brilliant legacy on his back for years before the cavalry came never trashing management or demanding an out or immediate help like certain other all-star all-timers whom i wont name and who may appear higher on this list hes been the best player on a bad team and the best player on a great team

and a scorer and a complementary player and a complimentary player and a teammate to guys like vitaly potapenko and jerome moiso and joseph forte and vin baker and jiri welsch and sebastian telfair and coached by rivers and obrien and pitino and carroll and  what does that have to do with anything nothing at all thanks for asking but just know that paul pierce is a guy who can change his game as circumstance dictates and either step down or step up depending on who his teammates are and take the fewest shots since his rookie year at thirty years old and play equally well on either side of the ball and put in on you like nobodys business

and pile up tommy points like there’s no tomorrow and be the best celtic in the whole damn playoffs not just the finals and guarantee that his number thirty four will join birds thirty three and mchales thirty two and russells six among too many others up in the boston garden rafters whoops legacy doesn’t matter here sorry where that seventeenth banner he played a major part in earning already resides and an eighteenth and nineteenth and twentieth could follow if things keep going the way they have and everyone keeps playing the way they can and pierce earns this spot and higher to the point where no one can dispute it which will never ever happen so why even mention it you idiot because jay says paul pierce is overrated so while I may be wrong still i write

want more of the slamonline top fifty check out the archive

  • Add a Comment
  • Share
  • RSS

Tags:

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    first … HOLY sh!t he isnt first. I hate you PP. Im not even reading this article. I know for a fact i would take a injured Wade over PP!!!

  • andrew

    Pow! Let the hate begin…

  • Marcel Mutoni

    wowza.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Im drinking the haterade on this one. He is overrated, he doesnt train, he isnt number 7 … anybody else list he is maybe top 15. But if he is this high Ray Allen does not deserve to be high 30′s. he should be top ten as well!!

  • andrew

    Also, Russ, fantastically written. I felt like I had to read that really, really fast. Stream of consciousness-type writing makes my heart murmur. Great, great post. It almost makes me want to agree with it.

  • andrew

    Also, I just saw the ad saying free headband. I never got my free headband with my subscription. Just to get off-topic, because way too many people have posted about P-squared in the last two days it makes my brain hurt.

  • andrew

    He is a beast on NBA Live 07 though. I had him averaging a triple double.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Russ, your past English teachers are mortified right now! Loved the run on sentence though.

  • Michael

    pierce is a great player, no doubt, not worth this spot though. that write up was horrible though, the slam guys are getting a bit defensive now, i guess 43 days of getting trashed will do that to you.

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    Wow, i guess Slam know this placement is bogus, otherwise we wouldn’t have the article wrote like this? He’s a dam good player, underated before this year, but im not so sure…

  • Paul Pierce

    This ranking is BS. I should be number 2.
    1)KG
    2)ME!
    3)everyone else.

    I outplayed Kobe. I outplayed Lebron. When the Celtics needed a big shot? Who took it? Well Ray did…But if Ray was covered? ME!

    This is just like the draft.Michael Olowokandi? Over ME?! Then everyone thought VC was the better player? Insane… Who has the ring now? Not Dirk! Not VC! ME!

    This ranking is a start. But I will show you haters.

  • Tombomb

    Fair choice, he has had a great year, and he has been clutch. I dont know what else there is to argue about. Look for him to slim down and come back strong…….but will the Celtics repeat? I think it rests on Garnett more than Pierce……

  • Michael

    nash at 6, hard to believe

  • http://its-mitch.blogspot.com/ Paps

    The Truth. Dam right he’s top ten.

  • andrew

    Michael: sometimes writing can break the rules a little to get the point across – cases in point: Bukowski, Dave Eggers, DF Wallace, Irvine Welsh, William Burroughs… think of it like avant garde art, then it’s a little easier to digest. I loved the way it was written.

  • http://slamonline.com Yknot

    Love the Joe Forte reference. DeMatha Foreva! Great write up. Numbers can be twisted, a players greatness is never about his numbers!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Channeling his inner “Scoop” is nice and also loved the f’ bomb drop and the pre-emptive hate strike and referencing past teammates who mean nothing but mean everything in this ranking right now peoples heads are exploding i dont like boston but oh well kg is next

  • Tekno

    So there are only six players in the NBA who are better than Paul Pierce? Really?! Wow. I know I miss a beat here and there since I live in Australia but I must be missing a whole lot more than I thought if Paul Pierce is truly the 7th best player in the entire league. Was he even invited to try out with Team USA?

  • Clockwork

    Can’t really argue with the ranking, since he’s a pretty awesome player. A couple years ago, when he was playing on those awful Celtic teams, I even thought he was as good as Kobe. But he really doeas come off as an arrogant prick.

  • Ken

    This was one of the best-written ones to date. While most people will argue that he is too high on the list (and I agree), at least this was well-written and well-argued.

  • Costa

    top ten but not better than wade…

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    At least you made it entertaining Russ. I disagree with where he is but sweet article anyway.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Tekno….:he was by far the best player in team USA in 2002 (glory days…). I remember his face watching B.Davis doin’ “his thing” during the tournament….

  • Wil

    That has to be the worst article I’ve ever read. Terrible content and almost unreadable.

  • iain.

    Horrible write up. I like the whole diversity in Top 50 write ups thing, but I had to stop reading halfway down. Number 7 is fine for PP.

  • Si

    Hm I have to say I didn’t like the way the article was written. Hard to read and reminded me of the comments on all the other Top 50′s where people were moaning about PP’s placement…although perhaps that is what you were going for.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    nice article, wrong pick. He is top 20 no top 15 but top 7 is well…at least he was a finals MVP right? play wit it.

  • Niio

    Longest run on sentence ever lol

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    This is funny.

  • Manumaniac

    Great player, great scorer, great leader. I love this guy’s game. Every time he steps on the floor he has this mentally confidence that he’s the best. I just don’ t get the fact that so many of you guys hate him. I mean, you should be happy about the fact that NBA has so many great players (KB24, Lebron, D-Wade, CP3, Derron Williams, Carmelo, Duncan, KG, AI, T-MAC, Nash, Stoudemire, D-Howard, Matrix, Rip Hamilton, Billups, Bosh, Agent Zero, Manu, Nowitzki etc.). I mean… really, who cares who is the best or who is better than whom? All of these guys are the best players in the world and they all play in the NBA. Watching so many talented players… I mean that’s good for us, right? So take it easy…

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Very Funny … how you been DP … holding it down still

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Just when you think this list can get any more odd.

  • Andy

    I can’t believe how few people have picked up on the fact that this was probably written as a direct barb at those of you who HAVE been dogging PP all summer. Truth is that he was the best player for the best team in the NBA finals. If you look at it that way, 7th is too low. Oh yeah, I went there.

  • Boing Dynasty

    based on the list thus far, #6 will either be kobe bryant or kris humphries

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    been rollin, James. tryin to skip advanced world geography right now but I don’t think I’m going to make it. play wit it.

  • Dimitris

    Nice article- wrong place…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm…..the only people dogging Paul on these boards are idiot Laker/Kobe fans….let’s be real.

  • Andy

    That’s my point, Eboy. Those guys are the same ones who write in exactly the same fashion, so I thought it was a great article.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Niio….:longest run on a sentence ever belongs to James Joyce(greatest writer of the century according to TIME at 2000, although i go with Proust,just read “À la recherche du temps perdu” and then we talk) on his last chapter of “Ulysses”. Of course the result of Joyce is brilliant (especially at the end..) but we have to live with the imitation of our own Russ for now. At least he tried…

  • Michael

    Andy, have people really been dogging pp? I think it is more relative to other guys placement on the list. And yes, it was fairly obvious thats why he wrote the article that way, this doesnt make it any more readable or intelligent and i dont care how avant fu(kin garde it is

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    It was a good piece, and Russ has taken the whole lack of punctuation to new levels of absurbity, so yeah….Paul is a lightning rod for some, for others…we just like the dude’s solid offensive game….and the fact he outdueled the “outduelable” on the game’s biggest stage.

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    Russ you are the James Joyce of SLAM, congrats

  • Spurs on 09

    Paul Pierce IS top-ten…he’s been a top-ten player in the NBA for the past 6 or 7 years now (arguably ten). He’s consistently been a great two-way player…one of the few players in the league who is adept at getting whatever shot he wants, while also being skilled enough to consistently make them (Lebron, Wade-cough!). He has played ridiculous minutes on horrible teams, and had a little bit of success pre-summer or 07. Say what u want, but the fact that he made it to the conference finals with ‘Toine (not much) and NOTHING ELSE speaks volumes.

    Sure, Garnett and Allen made Paul Pierce better, but he also made them better. Garnett had BY FAR his most efficient season last year. think that had anything to do with Paul Pierce’s ability to get into the lane on the pick-and-pops? Ray Allen had a pretty damn good Finals? Think that was because Kobe was too busy trying to slow down Pierce? OF COURSE…

  • Bruno

    more like #17… more #27 than #7…
    ridiculous choice as fnals MVP.
    selfish disgusting player.

  • http://www.lifehoopsthoughts.blogspot.com the baconator

    Russ, I’m this close to beating you with one of DWill’s crutches for using following absolutely no standard English conventions. And I should know about those, cuz I’m in a school library right now, supposed to be working on a psych project. Truth is def one of the best players in the L. He’s such a crazy versatile scorer. I know I’m gonna draw hate for saying this, but he reminds me of Kobe in that he knows how to score and can score anywhere, anytime. He’s that good

  • andrew

    Michael: That’s what’s great about good art. It makes people hate it. Download some Wolf Eyes records. They sound like this article reads. Which is super by my reckoning.

  • arthur

    At least there were paragraphs.

  • arthur

    And Bruno… disgusting? Really?

  • http://slamonline.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    I’m PP hater…

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    what happen?

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    I would also like to think not using caps in your name was an omage to me…. maybe not….

  • KA

    hey guys I think you guys forgot to capitalize and punctuate and stuff. also, ain’t no way p squared better than dwade.

  • http://ngunioamosotho.com Nguni

    this article is well written. good lookin’ Russ. Paul Pierce is exactly where he needs to be. 7 sounds very right.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Eboy I am offended.

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    just change my name…, now that’s my real name

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    I’m a pp hater…

  • http://www.pablasso.com pablasso

    Please, go hire and editor, all this pile of text was just disturbing to read.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’m confused, Shia.

  • jay

    Like I said. Overrated.

  • matt the jazz fan

    * one paragraph of run-on sentences would have been enough.

    * ray ray was at LEAST a finals co-mvp

    * p² is rated too high on this list.
    deron and yao deserve to be higher than him, and that’s just off the top of my head.
    and yes even yao at 55 games/year.

  • Froggiestyle

    To each they own . . . he can ball but I ain’t impressed. He’s not all that, and pr’y got 3 years left under his hood before he’s cooked.

  • jay

    ps Thanx Russ.

  • Froggiestyle

    Eboy – anyone who doesn’t have PP and Beantowns balls on their chin is a laker/kobe fanboy? Care to shed some light?

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    You said you everyone who is hating on Paul Pierce is a laker loving kobe loving idiot or something.

  • slamsucks

    Pierce and old Nash are not better than Wade!!!!!!!!!

  • jay

    shut up slamsucks…just shut your mouth when you’re talking to us.

  • WhaHuh

    lol slamonline commentors are a mess

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    (23 Capital Letters) & …,.?,,..?!!…..,:..,;?.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Put those where you like.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Froggie, I don’t root for or put picture of Paul or the Celts up in my office or at home, but I’m sensible enough to know dude’s an incredible talent, his team gelled into a monster in one season and yes, maybe I should have said MOST of his detractors all of a sudden appeared around here after the Celts secured their title so…..

  • airs

    its the playa haters ball in this one.
    hate hate hate hate hate!

    still not okay with him above d wade but whatevvvvvv

  • jay

    I just don’t see what all the fuss is about. So he played well against LBJ and Kobe….so what? What has PP done for us lately???

  • ber

    wow russ what a great write up

  • Terrell

    I wonder where PP would be ranked if he didnt have those few good games in the finals and that big game 7 against Lebron because he and Ray Ray where terrible throughout the first three rounds of the playoffs. Hes good player though maybe between 10-15 not 7 though but like Paul so no biggie.

  • Bo Diddly

    Did anyone else read all this in one breath? Great piece but you forgot to punctuate. ;)

  • Bo Diddly

    “So he played well against LBJ and Kobe….so what?” – Moron
    “those few good games in the finals and that big game 7 against Lebron” – Moron

  • Cupcake

    PP (in the pic)looks shocked that he’s number 7. Great write up, I love run-on sentences.

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    i better just be simon…

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    PP overrated…

  • folodadon17

    OVERRATTED!
    SLAMONE ARE SUM D**K RIDERS
    SLAM ONLY PUT HIM UP THERE CAUSE HE HAS A RING

  • rikson

    Id put him at 5 – but this spot is alright!

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    I wonder where Paul Pierce *will be* ranked when he wins his second NBA Finals MVP next June…

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Come to think of it, since this is the “definitive” ranking, you guys should just close the comments. ;)

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    folodadon needs a girlfriend.

  • http://www.friendster.com/sesa Sesa

    I think Wade is better than Paul Pierce

  • Bryant Reeves

    One of the greatest Celtics of all time. Absolutely deserves this spot, maybe even 1 or 2 higher.

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    @Bryant Reeves, not even close…

  • jk_light

    I Think Paul Pierce is a very good player and his confidence puts him over some guys, but he also could have been out of the Playoffs in the first and secound round easily last year. What would have happended to his and KG’s rankings if Lebron’s Cavs just scored 6 points more in this Game 7. They became Champions with him playing how mnay good games in the 08 Play Offs?
    But overall I co-sign on Manumaniacs 8:44 Comment.

  • rikson

    …but he should be higher than KG.

  • Omar3

    Hell Nooooooooooo!!!
    Paul Pierce is super over rated!!!
    Allen Iverson, Dwight, and D-Wade are way better than this guy!!!
    Wow, he has a ring, that he needed help from 2 awesome superstars to get!!!
    Slam, this list sucks!!!

  • Jordan Eyali

    PP should b higher
    great player, complete, tough and cluch. He overpassed KB by far during d finals.
    Get ready 4 more tears next year u haters cuz it’s just d beginning
    bad article but I liked d Jerome Moïso ref.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    co-sign Omar … DP, dont be skipping class boy. Get yaself a good education!!! So you dont have to join the military lol

  • Nikos Galis’ Ex Boyfriend

    PP and NASH OVERRATED!!

  • rikson

    @Omar: My thoughts: AI is a undersized (,selfish) 2. Dwight is still very raw. If he works on his game, he will be better than PP – but not yet. Im pretty sure Wade will be higher than PP next year…

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    I knew a post like this was coming…and I liked it even more than I expected. Russ is gangster.

  • Black Mamba

    I cannot understand this. Just listen PP was not the best player on the team, you can argue with him being tied with Ray Allen for second best and Rondo being right their with them. I never have been impressed with PP game since he came into the league and kept losing and losing, He then gets 2 Hall of Famers to carry the load and now he is a superstar. Come on, I like slam, but be honest, somebody in the board room had to be crying or holding someone up to get PP this high.

  • Nikos Galis

    PAUL PIERCE: undervalued his whole career basically because he was on terrible Celtics teams(it wasn’t his fault that he had to play together with A.Walker, the A.I. of forwards)and he wasn’t as flashy as some clearly worse players than him (Carter, A.I,etc..). In any case he is easily one of the top-10 NBA players of the last 15 years.Great fundamentals, complete offensive game, good defender when needed. So even if this rank is a little bit higher than what it should have been (10-15 like Terrell said seems to be more apropriate) it is doing justice to P.Pierce for being overlooked his whole career.

  • Squirrel7

    Don’t really agree with the ranking, but I did enjoy the style Russ wrote it in. The question is, though, if people hadn’t been hatin’ on Pierce all through this countdown, would he have written the article like this? And if not, what would he have written to justify P-Squared being at #7?

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Its not that I don’t think he’s a great player E I think by now most people know my stance on him. You don’t go from whining malcontent to top ten in the league in one season. Not only that but didn’t he shoot 4 of 14 in his last game? Ray Allen had more impact on the series imo. He’s a good player I just think the hype surpassed his actual ability.

  • Black Mamba

    This looks like a Nash ranking, when he won two MVPs for playing with good players. Amare Marion and Bell, and not to mention, Amare and Marion were All Stars both years. Nash will probably be next too, for throwing nice passes, but the key is winning when it counts.

  • John D

    I don’t know what’s funnier, the fact that people think Pierce is overrated despite outplaying both Lebron and Kobe in the playoffs or the fact that some of the commenters didn’t even realize Russ was directly making fun of them with this writeup.

  • Squirrel7

    I don’t really like how Pierce is getting praised for his defense, when in fact he is very lazy on the defensive end the majority of the time (probably as he’s so out of shape). And as I mentioned yesterday, stop talking about how he shut down Lebron in THAT game 7, James still went for 45 points.

  • Sparker

    some of you dudes need a muzzle. and russ, you nailed it. pp has a big body, knows how to use it and can shoot from downtown with the best of them. he may lack flash in comparison to some other top 10 guys, but he is one of the toughest match ups in the league and DOES NOT QUIT

  • Squirrel7

    Also, I agree that Ray-Ray was actually just as deserving of the Finals MVP, especially considering the hate he’d been getting in the earlier rounds due to his streaky shooting….

  • Black Mamba

    John D, Pierce outplayed nobody, when you have Garnett and Allen on your team to help soften the scoring load and to play collapsing defense. Plus the write up to me felt like he was defending PP, so to me he knows this is a jacked up ranking for a player who to me had one breakout season and he did play on some good teams with Walker, people forget the success they had together, but they lost because of PP not showing up, its true.

  • John D

    Squirrel7, you obviously didn’t watch much basketball last year if you think Pierce didn’t play defense. Period.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    PP is very lazy and out of shape, his defense is not great by no means (where was he for TEAM USA if his D was so phenominal … Prince was thought of before PP), and everytime a scorer plays the celtics they drop big numbers. He leaves D for guys like Posey. But when he does guard good players, they usually drop BIG numbers on him.

  • John D

    Black Mamba, I can’t take your opinion seriously with that name. If you really think he didn’t outplay your precious Kobe, then I don’t know what to tell you.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Pierce is a professional athlete in a game that guys do some amazing athletic feats and plays 37 minutes a night doing this, but he is out of shape? Why, because he doesn’t have the hang time of Kobe or because he doesn’t get high off the ground on his jumper like his teammate Ray Allen? He may have baby fat and maybe he doesn’t get in the weight room like Bron, but he is not “out of shape”. This is laughable.

  • John D

    I love how people think he’s lazy and out of shape just because he isn’t the most defined guy in the world. Keep it up guys, you’re good for a laugh if nothing else.

  • Squirrel7

    I watched plenty of ball last year, and it was Garnett’s defense that was far more important than Pierce’s. Your comment shows you quite clearly only watched the playoffs when Kobe had a horrendous stretch of games (I’m not defending KB24, I can’t stand him), and Lebron’s shaky jumper was exposed when he couldn’t drive through a key filled with Perkins and KG.

  • Black Mamba

    John D, you forget he played with 2 future Hall of Famers, Kobe had some good players, which would you pick. The lakers lost to the better team. Remember the lakers played Pierce straight up. Kobe was played with a zone collapsing Defense with Garnett in the middle and Posey playing off of Odom. Do you watch NBA?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Did someone from the Lakers drop big numbers on the Celts during the Finals? I can’t remember…..o, no one did. You know why? Because similar to the 04 Pistons, their strength was TEAM defense and not one guy is relied upon to shut down other teams top scorers.

  • Squirrel7

    I don’t remember anyone else trying to make their performances look better by pretending to be severely injured, then miraculously recovering within about 3 minutes……

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Nice call Black Mamba!!

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    @john D, he outplay my man kobe because he got help from posey, ray, KG…, did you really watch the final?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    lol again with the nice one squirrel!!! I love this sh1t

  • Black Mamba

    Thank You, Eboy

  • Squirrel7

    Agreed with Eboy, but yeah people still seem to be crediting P-Squared with single-handedly shutting Kobe down. Personally, I think KB24 was his own worst enemy, after a poor opening couple of games, he started trying to force far too many ill-advised shots.

  • John D

    Squirrel7, I never said his defense was more important than Garnett’s. But Pierce played great defense as well. And I’ve had Celtics season tickets since the ’03-04 season, so nice try, but I did not “only watch the playoffs”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yeah, and no one was saying “well Kobe’s pinkie is limiting him.” Fu*cking dummies.

  • jay

    I just saw PP! OMG!!!…he was just here, I swear on Duncan from Blue’s life. He was standing at the mcdrive, ordering a mc-rib, some nuggets, large fries and a shake(vanilla-flavour) minding his bizz. I dared to aproach him and asked him about his place among the best players. He said he was not even the best small forward in the NBA. He then named the 3 small-forwards he’d rank ahead of him: peja, odom & battier. Go figure huh? He didn’t want to get into the whole top dawg discussion…but that’s probably because his fries were getting cold and he was pissed of because that mcdonalds-dude helping him forgot the kechup & nugget-sause. Personaly I hate it when they do that. That why now I ask for my sause up-front! But you got this from the horse’s mouth. PP has spoken!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    As it stands today, Paul’s ra nking is solid. He’s not above KG, which was the heart of the Celtics team, and he’s above several guys that either a) never played in a Finals before b)can’t move past a single round in the playoffs, which would give some of the lower ranked players who may be more talented a chance to be top 10 (ie: T-Mac, Melo, post Shaq Wade, etc.)

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    @john D, you watch nothing …

  • John D

    Yup, of course, I watch nothing, you’re exactly right Simon. You guys are funny.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I’m sure John D watches plenty of basktball and being a Celtics season ticket holder is in no way impacting his feelings on this situation. ;) Stop calling each other names guys. Play nice! :P

  • John D

    Hey, I never said I was completely unbiased. Haha.

  • Squirrel7

    What’s the betting KG will be higher than Timmy? Don’t get me wrong, I respect all KG has achieved, but he shouldn’t be higher than TD, but I know KG is SLAM’s boy…..

  • rikson

    its funny what names you hear while talking bout pp. Cmon people we are in top 7 here. I can deal with posey but perkins? You rather give credit to perkins than admitting pp plays d? Jesus! Btw its aways a team effort to stop a star…

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Great read

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I remember when the C’s came out the gate last year beating everyone and then swept the Texas Triangle and people were saying Pierce was playing like an MVP and whatnot. I also remember people saying Wade wasn’t as good as his hype because the Heat were struggling and he was throwing passes into the first row. I also remember comments from the last few days saying Howard has no offensive game, Amare has no defense, Dirk is soft, Manu is overrated, and so on. So now Pierce isn’t better than these guys right now? Not tomorrow, right now? Come on guys, it is a list. Purely opinion. You don’t agree? Fine, speak your peace and move on. Stop saying dumb sh*t that makes this mag and site look bad. That is all, i’m retiring my soapbox.

  • Squirrel7

    Though, having said that, it depends on the ever-changing criteria for these rankings. Current level, maybe KG would be higher than TD, though overall, I’d say Duncan has the edge….

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    There’s no criteria in which KG should be higher than Timmy. But anyway, what does Bill Simmons think of this ranking? That’s all that matters…..

  • John D

    Thank you, Tad. Every player on the list is catching ridiculous amounts of hate.

  • Squirrel7

    I wasn’t giving Perkins credit for playing D, I was pointing out that Lebron can’t use his brute strength to get through a key filled with KG and Perkins (who is like an immoveable object) every time. Hence settling on his streaky jumper, and Pierce getting more credit for slowing down Lebron that he possibly/probably deserved credit for.

  • Squirrel7

    Co Co, a couple of people have been promoted/demoted based on their performances this past year (Pierce a perfect example of being promoted, maybe Wade being demoted), and therefore KG might be ranked higher than Timmy, being that Duncan, while still a great player, is maybe not QUITE as good as he was.

  • John D

    I agree with that, Squirrel, I understand that the Celtics played phenomenal D as a team. I’m just saying Pierce was a vital part of that team D. There were several coaches around the league who told Doc they couldn’t believe how well Pierce was playing D. And they know more than any of us.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I would only disagree with the idea that Pierce didn’t complain about his team and teammates. He was pouting a lot when things were tough, even though he signed a $60 million extension to stay with a bad team. So I don’t think it’s accurate to say he never complained or badmouthed management because he did both.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Timmy does almost EVERYTHING right. He’s top 5 until he hangs em up. He’s top 3 in my mind right now!

  • Squirrel7

    Of course he was an important part of their impressive team defense, it wouldn’t be impressive team defense if there was any of them not pulling their weight. But it seems to be Pierce who is single-handedly getting the credit for the wins against Cleveland, and the Lakers. And if other coaches couldn’t believe how good Pierce’s D was, then maybe that’s a sign that he doesn’t play enough of it, all year round? In which case, shouldn’t that affect his ranking, seeing as that would imply he doesn’t give his all EVERY night?

  • John D

    Btw, the last time this list was made in 2006, Dirk was number 4. If you guys are this upset about Pierce at 7, I can’t even imagine what the comments section was like for that.

  • Squirrel7

    CoCo, I know Timmy does everything right, but he’s rarely given the #1 defensive assignments nowadays, and you could argue that Manu is now the Spurs’ go-to guy. But don’t mistake this for TD hate, personally I think in history, he’ll go down as a superior player to KG, and one of the best power-forwards to ever play the game (though some people will no doubt argue he’s a center!).

  • Randy Brown

    Pierce should be high yes, but not higher than Wade. Def not higher than Wade

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Squirrel said that Manu is the Spurs “go-to” guy.
    You can’t be the “go-to” guy if you regularly go through stretches where you can’t hit the broad side of a barn and lack energy. Also, you can’t be injury prone. Manu is nice, but TD is the man on that team until he retires. He is the team focal point on offense and defense. And he better be ranked higher than KG because even with Duncan’s recent dropoff, he’s still better than KG.

  • Tim Dogg

    Funny. In high school journalism class fifteen years ago, we were tought that stories should be clear, and mistake-free, unlike say, a text. My how things have changed. I couldn’t read this at all.

  • John D

    No, I meant during the regular season, Squirrel. Their D was there all season long. They really didn’t take a night off, even if it was against the Bobcats or Sonics or whoever. You can probably give KG credit for that.

  • John D

    Tim Dogg, it was a joke. That’s what the comments section looks like on here a lot of the time.

  • Black Mamba

    Sorry but PP is overrated by a long long long shot. I still feel that the writers at Slam who put this list together collectively should be able to put out their own list of their top 50, so we can see who really sucks at doing these rankings and it would make your customers happy.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i agree with this ranking. He beat Lebron, he beat Kobe, he beat Joe Johnson, he beat Tayshaun Prince. Paul Pierce beat the world.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    “John D says:
    No, I meant during the regular season, Squirrel. Their D was there all season long. They really didn’t take a night off, even if it was against the Bobcats or Sonics or whoever. You can probably give KG credit for that.”
    Bobcats stomped the Celtics by 12 in Boston.

  • Squirrel7

    Just my own personal opinion, John D, but I didn’t think much of Pierce’s defensive intensity before the post-season, and I never thought much of it all those years on Celtics without 2 future HoF players alongside him, that’s all…….

  • Squirrel7

    Betcats, surely then the top-12 or so should be the Celtics rotation, seeing as they all beat those guys? If it was team-defense that won it (which is widely regarding to be the case), then my point is perfectly valid. The whole argumenty seems to be that Pierce is getting too much credit, considering he didn’t single-handedly beat any of those guys, and wouldn’t have before KG and Ray-Ray arrived (ok, maybe Joe and Tayshaun…..)

  • Black Mamba

    Team defense makes Pierce look like an all world defender, we should of had Pierce on the Olympic squad-NOT, because he can’t play one on one defense, except Garnett and Posey are shadowing him to help him keep the middle. We all know PP is out of shape.

  • Squirrel7

    Anyways, that’s me out for now, might check back later.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    WTF is with you dense people calling a pro athlete out of shape?

  • Squirrel7

    Tad, I have one name for you. Robert Traylor.

    Now I really am out.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    To write in that manner must have been tougher than thinking of the content to fill the piece. Well played Russ.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I really love that people STILL think that Pierce’s miraculous return from what seemed like a terrible injury was done just for effect. How cynical do you have to be? Have any of you ever gotten hurt? Is it totally inconceivable that one could suffer an intensely painful injury that fades in a matter of minutes? Is it possible that Pierce actually deserves CREDIT for coming back as fast as he did? Unbelievable.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Paul Pierce is out of shape. That’s exactly why he’s a six-time All-Star and could play 40+ minutes per game against LeBron and Kobe in the Playoffs…

  • Nikos Galis

    @TADOne…..:I was gonna ask you if you are serious with your 11:52 comment, but then i thought that you could very well be so…(EASILY!!)

  • namik

    Good lord.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Keith….:correct.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    As for the whole “out of shape” thing, he averaged 35.9 minutes a night through 80 regular-season games, then 38.1 miuntes a game through 26 playoff games. Out of shape? Seriously? You people are amazing.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    The Paul Pierce hate is really strange. It just came up out of the blue it seems. Sure, Pierce got a lot of hype, but dammit he was killing Lebron and Kobe!
    You will get hype if you kill those two players. I still would rather have DWade, but Paul Pierce ain’t no slouch. I fully expect he and KG to take their games to a whole new level this year. Have y’all seen KG so far? He is looking much more aggressive offensively. I always thought that the pressure took a toll on his game because he was always worried about his legacy. Now that he has that monkey off his back, I’m predicting a career year barring injuries.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Why do people have such a problem with PP?

  • Nikos Galis

    @Russ….:could very well be true.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Co-sign Allen’s 12:02p comment.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Keith….:cause as Charles Barkley said: “the average fun,….man the average fun only knows….”

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Other than last year’s operation shutdown and his second season (when he played 73 games) Pierce has never missed more than three games in a single season. Out of shape?

  • Black Mamba

    PP has been in the league in the east for 10 years only six time All Star, so he must have had some down years then. PP once again last time to Ryne Nelson, have you ever heard of team defense. I’m done, I have said enough and I will see old Nash number six, I don’t know why?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    We should have a picture of PP throwing up gang signs in an internationally televised basketball game. And then show Starbury swinging a machetty.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Nikos: I have no idea what you’re talking about.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    BMamba: You don’t know why Nash is number 6? Probably because if you stick him into any team int he league, he will instantly make them better. Sure, age isn’t on his side anymore but he is still one of the top 3 pointguards (top two by this list) in the league.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Keith….:join the club!!! (but if you really wanna find out the whole CB comment check my yesterdays posts on Wade…)

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    He didnt make the All-Star team in his first year because there was no All-Star game that year. He made his first All-Star team in his fourth season (just like Allen Iverson). Then he didn’t make it two years ago because the Celtics were heart-stoppingly bad. That’s that. Next?

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    people hate Pierce for saying he is the best in the world, thats when all Kobe’s b’friends on here lost their mind, I like Pierce and think he has Tenacious D…. on his Ipod….sorry it was too easy

  • Nikos Galis

    top-3.

  • Black Mamba

    Okay Keith, you stick Nash in for him to lead the team to what a sixty win season and 2nd round KO. That’s why, he is now offically done with the Suns and yes I said that, wait him and Disel-Unleaded will be awful.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Y’know Nikos, I’ll pass on your comments from the D-Wade post. I started trying to read them but you got a bit out of control, so I’m happy just staying on this post. But thanks anyway.

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    and as for out of shape, not everyone has the same body type, like Melo look’s totally different to say LeBron, but aside from a medical how could you possibly tell who is in better shape just because they have different frames?

  • Nikos Galis

    still waiting someone to wonder how can he be ranked over “the Answer!!!”…..

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Russ, Iverson probably deserved to make he All-Star team before his fourth season. 23 and 7 as a rookie and then 22 and 6 as a second year player. Witht he shooting percentage going up his third year. Iverson couldn’t make the all-star team his third year becuase that was the lockout year. Just felt that needed to said. This in no way means I disagree with your larger point that Paul Pierce deserves to be top 10 right now and is probably the second best small forward in the league.
    Wait, did y’all just read that? Paul Pierce is the second best small forward in the league behind only Lebron. Can anybody really argue with that? And aren’t the two deepest positions in the league the 2 and the 3? The Paul Pierce hate must cease.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Keith….:it’s way better here..(Trust me…)

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    I think you’ll find that Nash has consistently pulled his team along, hitting game winners making big shots, running his team and generally being the FHOF that he is.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Paul Pierce can roll out of bed and throw up 40 on your favorite player’s favorite player. So what exactly is “in-shape”?

  • Anton

    Paul Pierce said he’s better than Kobe and is the best player in the world because he got Finals MVP.
    fail.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Pierce averaged 19.5 and 5.4 his second year and 25.3 and 6.4 his third year, this playing alongside the biggest gunner since Billy the Kid. But that’s neither here nor there.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Allenp….:you came that close to fulfill my 12:12 wish..
    And P.P is E-A-S-I-L-Y a more complete player than Lebron…

  • Young Chris MP3

    Paul Pierce is The Truth.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Keith, Nash in Dallas was not a future Hall of Famer. He was an all-star and really good player, but he was not a future Hall of Famer. The year before he left he Mavis he averaged like 14 and 7. I respect what Nash is now, but he was not a superstar until he met a magician named Mike D’Antoni.

  • Black Mamba

    PP is Chauney Billups on steroids with the respect and just like how Billups has shown the last couple of years, that MVP finals was his best play ever, so yes PP got MVP finals and a championship, but once age starts showing on Garnett and Allen, PP will have to do more just like Billups and will not be able to handle it. This year will tell everything about who PP really is, since he feels he finally is a top player in the league to himself.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Nikos
    I think most people believe Paul Pierce is better than Iverson right now. I do. I think he’s better than Melo too. Like I said, Paul Pierce is the second best small forward in the league.
    And that makes all the hate seem stupid.

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    a magician named Mike D’Antoni who said thus “do what you think Steve”

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    I never liked Pierce … he seems fake. Like Juaki. He hides behind great players to make himself look good!! He is SO confident it actually makes him look worse because he isnt the best at anything in the league. All of the guys on this list for the most part are the best at something. Rebounds, blocks, scoring, hustle, and it goes on. PP is average on most, he wasnt even the best on his team. he played a few good games in the playoffs losing to every team they played at least twice. Ray Allen saved they’re ass in 3 games. Paul is a lazy defender, we all know this, how many Defensive Teams has he made? Just because SLAM puts him at 7 doesnt mean its a good decision. I know for a fact and so do most other people PP is not ranked 7th in the NBA. I dont know what this list consists of for decision making but, he isnt a great defender, hes not the best player on his team, hea averages under 25 a game, his jumpshot actually has no jump, he can only go right for the most part, team defense only happens because of KG and Posey, he struggles in the 4th because his lack of ability to get into the gym, and he picks games to have heart: for example, he hurt his knee so terrible that he was able to come back out after being carried off the floor 5 minutes after it happened. Im pretty sure his leg was fine and he needed real oxygen from a tank. PP is not 7 … although right on on this list he is, we all know, if we had our choice, Dwight, Manu, melo, Iverson, Amare, Wade … maybe about 7 others guys would be ahead of even even before the top 6 players!! Run wit it!!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Nikos: Um, no.

  • Sdfigits

    Wow, and I’m guessing when Kobe goes first there will be a giant lovefest with “Black Mamba” being the pivot man. I’m a celtics fan and I’m not entirely sold on this ranking, but give the man his due, just becuase you weren’t watching him doesn’t mean we weren’t. So please Laker fans who haven’t watched a C’s game before ’07 just do all the intelligent commenters a favor and shut the F@#k up.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Mamba
    You do realize that Piece put up insane numbers carrying the Celtics, right? Really, have you even bothered to examine Paul Pierce’s career numbers?
    I think it should be rule that if you complain about Paul Pierce you have to look at his career numbers to be taken seriously. Comparing Paul Pierce to Chauncey Billups is really unacceptable.

  • Heals

    Russ great read, love the prose. Keep on P Double haters, you’re all predictable, laughably ignorant and stuck in hoops denial.

  • Heals

    Russ great read, love the prose. Keep on P Double haters, you’re all predictable, laughably ignorant and stuck in hoops denial.

  • Sdfigits

    Plus I do enjoy how James the Balla “knows” that PP isn’t #7, obviously because he is far better connected than the writers at Slam and clearly has the inside scoop

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    200 comments in four hours, wow, join me in the Adonal Foyle thread!!!! we could be the alternative kids in school

  • Nikos Galis

    @Allenp….:i wasn’t expecting you to say such a think, i was just joking. After all i know who is capable of saying this(A.I > P.P) in our forum.
    And by the way: P.P has always been better than our lovely “answer”. (ok,you were expecting this from me,don’t you…?)

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    mat smith
    Are you really arguing that Don Nelson had shackles on Steve Nash?
    Is that your final answer? That Steve Nash didn’t kill in Dallas because he wasn’t allowed full decision making ability?
    Come on, you’re better than that.
    D’Antoni’s system is one of the best offensive systems in the league. Combine that with replacing Dirk and Finley with Amare and Marion, and well the increase in Nash’s play isn’t that surprising. Nash has been great in Phoenix, but it’s amazing to me that people don’t notice that nothing at all about his actual skill set has changed. The only things that have changed are the people around him.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m a Pistons fan and have no idea why he was comparing Billups to Pierce. My I.Q. has dropped 10 points just from this mornings comments.

  • Nikos Galis

    @James….:thanks man.(you see Allenp,it didn’t take that long…)

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    lol thanks digits!! And i know know … i got it like that.

  • namik

    James, and despite all that he won Finals MVP. So…he is kinda good. But if a team suddenly gets a tremendous upgrade like the Celtics then that has to be accounted for. I know Russ is pulling out all kinds of arguments but that didn’t help him with jack for like the past 3 years. All the while AI was stinking it up in Philly and still getting mad love. Oh and having the DPOY and one of the best shooters in the L and then saying you’re the best player in the L is suspect.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Pierce is obviously quite capable of averaging 25+ ppg, as he’s done it five times in his career (including a career-high 26.8 in ’05-06). Maybe he realized that there are more to basketball than a high scoring average? Whatever, dunzo.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    know know know … im that good that i know know know he aint 7!

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    My mistake AllenP. I didn’t sticka timeframe on what I meant. I meant in his Phoenix years post-Dallas. Which includes now. Which is when he’s been amongst the top 2 point guards in the league. I’d pick him above Duncan.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    My mistake AllenP. I didn’t stick a timeframe on what I meant. I meant in his Phoenix years post-Dallas. Which includes now. Which is when he’s been amongst the top 2 point guards in the league. I’d pick him above Duncan.

  • Sdfigits

    I’m with you TAD, I am actually suprised that some of teh commentators are actually capable of posting considering their clear lack of gray matter

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    James: Adrian Dantley. You ever heard of him? The man had a 2-inch vertical on his best days but was one of the more lethal scorers in his day and all-time. You think his jumper cared that he only got 2 inches off the ground before whistling thru the net??

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    Nash did kill in Dallas, He had a German and a Finley, Steve is like a fine wine and has matured wonderfully, BTW Nash is my favourite player in the world so I dont know if my comments have been misunderstood, I have alot of manlove for Steve, and he has British hair like me :)

  • Nikos Galis

    lots of similarities between P.P and Billups. P.P is the Billups of small forwards and vice versa.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Thanks Namik … i dont know why people arent seeing that. yeah hes done it five times. Now that he has talent better than him … well not so much!! Yeah so we can talk about really good team players but that doesnt make you the best in the NBA or number 7 … or Tyronn Lue would be in the 3 spot!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Yeah same with Donyell … how big was Adrian?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    6’5 James.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    AllenP: Will Steve Nash be ranked as one of the best players in the league this year without D’Antoni’s system? Like you said, his skill set hasn’t changed….

  • namik

    Comparing PP to Tyrone Lue? Overkill. This is not a day for logical reasoning. See yall tomorrow.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Nikos is smoking whatever Cliff Robinson smokes.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    would you see that now adays? No PP is a dieing breed. His jumper is NOt that good. Dantley was a great player ROY and all but the fact is. You are not the 2nd best SG if you have no verticle on a jumpshot … to easy to stop!!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    If you think Pierce is the Billups of small forwards you are stupid.
    That’s it, that’s just how it has to be.
    Look at their careers. There is no comparing Chauncey to Paul Pierce. No comparision at all.
    Somebody dispute these two arguments please:
    1. Paul Pierce is the second best small forward in the NBA.
    2. Small forward is the deepest position in the NBA.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    SF*

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Keith
    I expect a dropoff across the board for Nash this year. Not because he’s much worse, but because the way the team will be structured will not maximize his talents and minimize his weaknesses.
    Shaq is going to cause him problems finding spacing and attacking on the pick and roll. We saw that at the end of the season last year. Amare is going to score more on his own, which will also reduce Nash’s assist numbers. I don’t see Grant Hill or Raja Bell improving and I really wonder how Nash is going to hold up with his coach demanding that he play some sort of defense.
    I just don’t see him playing a superstar level this season. I think he goes back to his Dallas year, which would make his still quite good, just not transcendent.
    But, that’s all speculation.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    AllenP: You seem to have a ‘thing’ about people debating your points.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Who’s going to be feeding Amare? I’d put money on it being Nash.
    But that’s all speculation.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Paul Pierce doens’t have that good a jumper?
    Stupid people need to be removed from the internet.
    Paul Pierce has one of the best mid-range jumpers in the league, can get his shot off the bounce or in the post and is outstanding at finishing at the rim because of his body control and strength.
    Have you all really watched Pierce for an extended period of time? Really, I don’t believe any of you have because the explanations you’re giving just don’t make sense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    I think i just ahte PP and think he is very overrated but it makes me upset to think of him as number 7 in the NBA hahahahaha. Im going to go cry myself to sleep and just be thankful im not as ugly as Jukai. peace out ladies.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Keith
    Not at all. Have I been disrespectful towards you? I don’t think I have. I think you are making a decent argument for Nash and you’re not spouting idiocy. I typically disagree with people amicably unless they are stupid.
    I have a problem with stupid people who don’t make logic based arguments.
    Anyway, every time Nash feeds Amare doens’t mean and assist for Nash. If you remember, last year Amare did a lot of his attacking one-on-one once the Suns got Shaq and really proved to a lot of people that he wasn’t dependent on Nash to get his shots. I expect to see more of that as the Suns run a more traditional post oriented offense.

  • John D

    Say what you want, but Allenp is right.

  • Nikos Galis

    @Keith….:and it feels soooo good!!!
    @Allenp….:haven’t you figured out who is behind the nickname “Keith” by now…? I mean you post in this forum for quite a long time….

  • Henry

    pp has been my fav player since his rookie year. Always loved the way he scored, especially in the playoffs. Alwaysed believed he was top 10 and with the expansion and improvement of his overall game, his current ranking is valid . Another great piece russ..

  • http://phoenixsunsrising.blogspot.com/ Hersey

    Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, CP3, KG, Nash? Interested to see how this plays out.

  • Henry

    LOL I think I made up a word there

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Scott, if you’re around, i may need one last guy for the fantasy league, if you’re still interested click my link or post your email.

  • Black Mamba

    Henry I am glad you always believe PP was top 10, but wake up and smell the coffee, Please wake up, PP is out of the wheelchair. LOL!!!

  • joe

    what idiot is writing this?
    how come there are no full stops?! or periods as you americans call them.

  • http://slamonline.com Khalid Salaam

    This is amazing

  • Nikos Galis

    @1:10pm….:comment of the day.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Unfortunately i can’t tell if Joe is serious or not.

  • sunburn

    pierce is a great player/decent defender, but not a top ten today.
    1.kobe
    2.lebron
    3.tim duncan
    4.cp3
    5.nash
    6.KG

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    joe is my new favourite.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Goddammit, I knew I forgot something.

  • sunburn

    I think howard, amare, melo, dirk, and wade are better than pierce. PP is not a top ten.

  • jaywhy

    Amare > PP

    1)LeBron
    2)Kobe
    3)CP3
    4)Garnett
    5)Amare
    6)Duncan
    7)Nash
    8)Wade
    9)DWill
    10)Dwight
    11)Yao
    12)PP
    13)Dirk
    14)Manu
    15)Melo
    16)TMac
    17)AI
    18)Bosh
    19)Baron Davis
    20)Booz
    21)Gilbert
    22)JJ
    23)Parker
    24)Roy
    25)Marion

    agree my list is good? =)

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    7 more days……..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Actually, TAD, we’re gonna stop at No. 3, and then not post the top two until March. That’s a secret, though, so don’t tell nobody…

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I just can’t bring myself to say this guy is better than Iverson or Amare. Everyone else I guess is kind of debateable but those two guys are a lot better imo.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I like Ryan’s plan.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Oh and Wade I would take Wade too.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    It would be great if you guys stopped at 3, then waited to see who had the better season between players one and two.

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    Without question the most important ranking in the history of Slam, but an abnormally poor write-up. Somewhat makes a mockery of this. I would think many at the Mag would have been salivating and frothing at the lip to pen the Pierce piece. It was a terrific opportunity. Squandered, even with the perfect ranking at #7. Finally afforded the chance to string together several well-constructed paragraphs on why PP is unquestionably a top 7 player in the League, the author takes the easy way out and resorts to mama-jama-babble … brotha Russ, you obviously went the short route, must be said. I’d just like to know … erm … why?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    You really dont see where Russ made his case for Pierce’s ranking??

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    “Somewhat makes a mockery of this,” he said.
    Step away from the keyboard, Russ.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I’ll just say this, and really, this should be enough:
    Is there some combination of words, in English or any other language, with proper punctuation and everything, that Russ or anyone else could’ve put together that would’ve made anyone go, “Oh, OK, I totally see and completely agree with how you have justified Paul Pierce’s place as the 7th best player in the NBA today. Not the 6th or 8th best, mind you, but EXACTLY the 7th best. Perfect. Inarguable. Well done.”
    Answer: No, there is not.
    Enjoy the rest of the list!

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    He convinced me Ryan and up until this post I was not sure…. :)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I just hope your back is feeling better.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    It isn’t I really need a 5 or 6 year old to walk on it. Can I borrow a couple of your kidz?

  • http://slamonline.com Josh D

    No way the truth is better than D-Wade

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Actually Ryan, I was speaking about the start of the season. To hell with the list or who is #1. I hope you do stop it at 3 and close all comments off.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    My son’s not quite 4, but I’m sure he’d be happy to do it.

  • Young Chris MP3

    Didn’t he almost win MVP in 2002? 2nd to Duncan that year? He certainly was deserving of it when he led the Celtics of that year into the Eastern Conference Finals after having a break-out season. If the haters wanna hate then it’s their loss.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Oh noes, I made a mockery of the list!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    My bad, TAD. And yeah, that would be pretty funny…

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Thanks Ryan I’ll see you in a lil bit…

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    Just a proper let-down, that’s all. The most debated ranking in the top 50, the most talked about player who came up incessantly in other players rankings, and the most curious write-up. I just find that odd. You all had the brass set to rank him here — where he belongs — but seemed disinterested in even presenting a case as to why. Maybe it’s a turn-of-the-nose at everyone shouting down on Pierce’s name and game. You have the right. It’s your mag. Indeed, you also have the forum to put forth a case and substantiate — not make it inarguable — this ranking, which is bold and courageous no question about it. I just wanted something more. Maybe the ranking has to be good enough on it’s own.

  • John D

    All the middle school/high school posters are gonna be posting soon. This should get interesting.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Kenny, because you’re being reasonable (we don’t always get much of that around here), and even though you sound like a dirty sociallst European of some sort, I will return the favor.
    Your points are fair and valid. Speaking for Russ, a habit by which I have made a handsome living in recent years, I will say that I THINK Russ’ Pierce write-up is A) a specific response to some of the more reactionary comments posted on previous Top 50 write-ups (those of us who write for and visit the site regularly tend to be insular about it, which I suppose is inevitable); and B) a chance to do SOMETHING different after most of the rest of submissions on this list, which were relatively straight-forward exercises in stating the case for each player. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but hopefully you can understand why Russ, who’s writing a few of these, might want to mix it up.
    And of course, your last sentence makes a good point. Reluctant as I am to bring it up, this list exists primarily as a conversation starter, a job it’s done pretty well. Anyone looking for it to be anything more than that stands to be mightily disappointed. Which they probably already are.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And John — good point. I’m f*cking gone.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I rather thought I made a pretty good case for P Double’s ranking. It’s not like I just threw out a bunch of gibberish. Just because there aren’t any capital letters or punctuation doesn’t mean I spent less time on it than I did on any of my other writeups. In fact, this one may have taken even more time, just to get the rhythm right. I understand that not everyone will like it. Didn’t expect that. But to say I was “disinterested in even presenting a case” is roughly 493 percent wrong.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I should just hire Ryan as my official spokesperson. Especially since he knows grammar and stuff.

  • Rico

    This article sucked….I couldn’t even bring myself to finish reading it – and I love P-squared!

  • Trevor

    Listen, coming from Boston i’ve watched well over 500 games that Paul Pierce and i have been saying that he’s been in the top 5 players in the league for the past 6 years. I see where your coming from saying he’s only getting this spot because of his success this season but he just hasn’t been noticed enough until this season. Pierce deserves this spot on the list at minimum.

  • ROBERT SMITH

    Some of you people are completely out of your minds. Paul Pierce is a multitalented stud who carried the Celtics with no support for 9 years before finally being blessed with KG and RA. Only Kobe and Lebron should be ranked in front of him as wings, and this ranking is right on point. He can score from anywhere, rebounds better at his position than anyone in the league, and plays a completely unselfish game when given people like KG and Ray to pass to. He is the best pure scorer (not player) in Celtic history, and in 3 years will pass Bird and be second to Hondo Havlicek only in points. He is a lock for the HOF now that he has won a championship. He deservedly won the Finals MVP and frigging outplayed Kobe and Lebron mano to mano. He has played hurt countless times – including after his teeth were knocked out by Amare a few years, and after he almost died after being stabbed 11 times. He is tough as nails and a gamer. As Shaq said, he is the motherfrigging TRUTH.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    celtics are like a sunday. Rondo is the cherry on top (makes it all better, but could be replaced), Ray Allen is the choclate syrrup (adds flavor and greatness to the celtics), KG is the ice cream (he is the undisputed core of the team), and Paul Pierce is the bowl (he is the foundation of the team, and is needed). Kendrick Perkins is the guy eating it and Sam Cassel is the alien who takes some of the ice cream sunday back to his home planet of zutron-9. End of crazy analogy.

  • Kenny Anderson’s Auditor

    Fair enough, Russ and Ryan. Russ, I shouldn’t have said you weren’t interested. But my reaction to the piece comes down to being perhaps “too” geeked to read what I wanted to read: a lettered but still rabid if not venomous response to Pierce haters and those who still underrate this unique, absurdly-gifted player. As for european, no, southside Chi-City born and raised (and I’m old: I was IN Hoop Dreams lol). You all gave me the luminous Billy Harris ranking. I shouldn’t be so unthankful.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Well, that’s what you get for sounding smart. Appreciate the discourse.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I get the writers’ point of view on all of this. We’re all humans, nobody likes to deal with people telling them over and over again that their work (The Top 50 list) is garbage. I’d get defensive too.
    While this is nobody’s list, from what I understand, the players’ rankings are an average of everyone’s list. So we can still assume, as readers, that the majority of the Slam writers/contributors consider that Dwight is better than Amare.
    The thing I don’t get is : why is not debatable? Why can’t one argue about that? Why can’t one say that a ranking is ill advised?
    Some commenters are annoying as hell and just say the same stuff in every post (we get it, the NBA sucks, Euroleague players are the best in the WORLD) but others just happen to disagree with the list and choose to voice their opinion. That’s cool with me, that’s what comments are for.

  • chris

    hes very good but does not deserve this spot theirs no way in hell hes better than melo or wade

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Just a thought, maybe SLAM could get a system where annoying/dumb posters could be reported and flagged. I visit a soccer forum almost daily and they use the yellow/red card system. It works out pretty well on keeping the morons off or preventing them of saying moronic things.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Debate is welcome, Z, but stupidity, not so much. I don’t direct that at you. You seem not to be one of the morons.

  • Nikos Galis’ Ex Boyfriend

    @BETCATS- I think its planet Zutron-8 i could be wrong… Anyways i once asked Cassell for an autograph, he simply waived his hand(which has 7 fingers) over the piece of paper and his signature magically appeared in a strange neon color

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ironic that one of the latter posted right after Ryan mentioned it.

  • K.I.N.G.

    I love the truth, but lets be truthful… a healthy dwade behind my man Paul P. I’m not too sure about that.

  • Terrell

    Wow…I think its fascinnating that on every forum on a ranking since he was ranked a paltry 18th there has been some form of debate about AI.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Paul Pierce is good at basketball.

  • B Deezy

    *shakes head at pp ranking* this is sum bullshht!!!

  • scott

    @RV…If the draft is tomorrow at 3PM I can’t make it. Sorry.

  • scott

    Pierce had his best season last year (especially from January on). Was the best player in the 08 NBA Finals by far and away. Is a lock for the Hall of Fame. Yet all this hate towards him? What will everybody say when Boston repeats and Pierce repeats as the 09 Finals MVP?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Co-sign, Scott. I’ve said it since 10:06 am. :-)

  • http://www.truthismygame.com/ Kevin

    without a doubt, the worst ranking so far in this top 50

  • Nikos Galis

    Pacat,pacat,….Steaua-Lyon:3-5..that’s life..
    @Bryan….:comment 2:09pm. I love you just for this…

  • Nikos Galis

    and yeah ,i’m a moron..!!!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Boston in da house!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    2 new previews on Bachi by RV and me, if you guys wanna read them.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    First of all, to all of you guys saying that this is the worst ranking, I have to say that next ranking will be worse. Nash isn’t top 10, much less top 6. But I’d say he’s number 11. I know he’s an elite PG and stuff, but PP is better. Remember, I watch Pierce every night he goes on the court, unlike a lot of you guys, and the dude has a complete game. The man is a great player. Maybe not deserving of THIS high, but top 10.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    And scott, the Celtics ain’t repeating. That’s coming from the guy from Boston.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Scott:, you can always pre-rank your players, which is what some of the guys are doing. Let me know if you still want in. Anyone else interested? We need at least one more guy , but can add 3 if more are interested.

  • scott

    @Ryne…Didn’t read all the comments it is too much of a task sometimes.

  • scott

    @Moose…Why not? They probably aren’t going to win 66 games again but they still have Garnett, Pierce and Allen. Plus they still have a SWEET supporting cast with Rondo, Perkins and Powe. The East belongs to Boston you should be happy about this since you live in Boston.

  • scott

    @RV…Thanks but no thanks. I did that for one of my leagues last year and got stuck with a bunch of guards and no quality forwards.

  • scott

    Fearless predictions for the East this year.
    1. Boston
    2. Detroit
    3. Cleveland
    4. Orlando
    5. Philadelphia
    6. Toronto
    7. Washington
    8. Atlanta

    Charlotte, Chicago, Indiana, Miami, Milwaukee, New Jersey and New York get a chance at the Ricky Rubio sweepstakes.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    scott, I am a diehard Celtics fan. I love the C’s. They are still the best team in the East. But, Posey’s gone, the big three are getting older even if they are still a beast core, and we lost PJ Brown as well, a huge boost. The bench is still nice, with Powe, Big Baby, Eddie House, (not) Tony Allen, and maybe OBryant, Giddens and Walker will be good. But in the West, at least the Hornets, Lakers and Rockets are all better than us. And the East is better, remember that the Hawks, Cavaliers and almost Pistons took us to seven games. We’re still great, but we ain’t going back to back.

  • LAN

    good rank… for sure top 10…….. he’s arguably top 5 h*ll he’s arguably number 1!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    1. Boston
    2. Philly
    3. Detroit
    4. Orlando
    5. Cleveland
    6. Toronto
    7. Atlanta
    8. Washington

    scott, remember, Rubio isn’t a lock for number 1. Blake Griffin and Brandon Jennings could give him a run for his money here.

  • LAN

    @Moose… that isnt very die hard celtic talk… and celtics are the best team in the league… no one is yet to prove otherwise

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    LAN, if you are a true fan of your team you know how good they are. If I’m a huge Heat fan I ain’t coming out and saying that they’re gonna win the Finals, am I? (no offense to you and your Heat boys, Eboy)

  • j-smoov 5

    Never thoughtr of him this high…But I agree.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    And LAN, offseason moves have proven that on paper. I guess no, nobody’s proven to be better, but that’s cause nobody’s played yet. The LOOK better than my C’s.

  • scott

    I know it all depends on team needs but what Rubio did in the Olympics was unreal (then again that is the only time I ever saw him play). He was only 17 at the time. If a 17 year old American kid was on the US squad and did what Rubio did he would be the second coming.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    scott, he wouldn’t be on the American squad. The American squad’s more competitive and harder to get on than the Spanish one, because of more players and more skill.

  • scott

    @Moose…We got the same teams just in a different order. You really think Philadelphia will have the second best record in the East? Ahead of Detroit, Cleveland and Orlando?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    I am out for a while. Got HW to do that ain’t gonna write itself. See y’all tonite, most likely.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Before I go, scott. Yes. NOW I’m out.

  • scott

    I didn’t explain myself clearly. I know Rubio wouldn’t make the US squad. I’m just saying imagine if Lance Stephenson was good enough to make the team this past summer the hype for him would have made LeBron’s high school career seem trite.

  • Yassi

    1.)Kobe *würg*
    2.)Lebron *kotz*
    3.)Garnett
    4.)Duncan
    5.)CP
    6.)Nash

  • Narles

    Yeah umm not convincing. Nash is gonna be worse and I am Canadian and i think nash is overrated and Pierce is not better then AI or Gil or B Diddy.

  • Yassi

    @Scott: Ricky always plays like that, since he is 13, the Olympics were not even close to RR at his best.

  • Caleb

    @Moose – you should reply to my comments on your Hornets preview!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Scott, if a high school player was good enough to make the American squad he would be much better than Rubio and would deserve the crazy hype. The American squad featured the two best point guards in the world, and a third point guard who is a Hall of Famer. If you can make that squad, you are the second coming.
    Nash better be next. I will still have a problem with that, but if Nash gets into the top five, well I will write angry comments on the internet.

  • Yassi

    @Narles: you mean Nash is coming in lower than 6th? I dont get it.
    Other than that you are right in my opinion but I was just guessing on the rest of the SLAM-list which is absolutely not my list but ….*sighs*

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    last time, anyone interested in the fantasy league, let me know…that goes for you too AI, i know you’re on here trying to figure out how Pierce got this low

  • Caleb

    Oh and I just thought I’d state – anyone basing their arguments on a players # (low or high, and Pierce’s six selections is pretty damn high anyway) of all-star selections is silly. We all know that its basically a popularity contest, right?

  • Yassi

    right! ;-)

  • billymagnum

    Let’s face it, anyone who calls PP out of shape is spending too much time looking at his body, and not enough time watching his game…he’s been a top 15 player his whole career. Maybe he’s better than Wade, maybe not, but he’s got the same trophy and finals MVP. To anyone who thinks he only looked good b/c of KG and RayRay- get real suckas. Ray Ray didn’t even show up until the finals, and then it was only for four of the six games. And how does KG get open eighteen footers and Ray open threes? Oh yeah, it’s b/c PP kills on the pick and roll, kills in the post, kicks out to Ray for three, and oh yeah, PP hits the 3 pretty well himself. I’m sick and tired of these cats hatin’ on PP. These are the same cats who touched the rim that one time; were in the gym when the local playground legend was there too but couldn’t get on the court; sat on the bench in high school-on the junior varsity; and more than likely really really like the lakers. Am I wrong or didn’t DWade play with posey when he won that title, and shaq (albeit older and slower) too. NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE, wins the title w/out a lot of help (see Kobe Bryant). Y’all are suckers and your douchebaggery knows no bounds.

  • billymagnum

    @Caleb: you’re right about the all-star selections, at least the starters. The rest have to actually earn the selection.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    @ Caleb: I didn’t write the Hornets preview, that would be RV. But go ahead, read, and comment on my Magic, Wolves or Celtics preview!

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    awesome. THIS WAS GOOD.

  • dp

    the only thing overrated here is all you haters commenting. who the hell are you to call someone overrated, oh that’s right you’ve made the NBA and won a championship and got named the MVP…NOT!!! hahaha!!!! computer geeks that probably will never know how it feels to play basketball at high level, calling the finals MVP overrated. hahahahaha. i’ll never know how it feels either, but at least i’m not stupid.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    When you think about it, Paul Pierce has been the Celtics’ faithful leader for the past decade, especially during their championship run. Make no mistake, is number IS going to be retired alongside Cousy’s #14. Can you imagine that? That’s really an incredible honor and when you think about it, Paul Pierce is actually pretty damn good.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I like how despite the entire piece being one run-on sentence, Russ still took the courtesy of dividing his article into paragraphs. Awesome.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Teddy, you don’t have to think about it to realize that Pierce deserves to be top 10. At least I’d hope that people wouldn’t have to think about it.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    wow, hornets preview, he went wayyy back..i’ll check…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    RV, I’m writin the Sixers preview as we speak . . .

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    And Russ, wherever you are, great piece.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Caleb, i did respond to your comments, but after the Bonzi comment.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    @RV: Dude, as much as I’ve read Hibiachi the least you could do is vist my site and tell me what ya think, homie. Can’t believe I haven’t heard from you or Tad. Did Lz ever get back to you?

  • Sean

    Paul Pierce > Dwyane Wade? Yeah, for now…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Sorry, man, i usually don’t comment on anyone’s writings so don’t feel too bad, i’ll check them out though. I haven’t heard back from LZ

  • Caleb

    @RV: Thanks for your responses.

  • Onions Baby Onions

    i would comment on how overrated paul pierce is but i must focus on the importance of exponential functions in our world today

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Caleb, you’re welcome…..You wouldn’t happen to be interested in fantasy basketball, would you?

  • Todd Spehr

    Russ, grammar or no grammar, there’s no possible way you could’ve convinced some of these morons that PP was good enough for #7. After all, he was ONLY the best player in a series that featured Kobe and KG, playin’ for all the marbles. That’s all. Good stuff man.

  • davidR

    dope post russ. i like how it sounds like its being recited by some random whiny paul pierce/slam top 50 list haters. oddly enough, the entry that’s written with the least emphasis on proper grammar makes the most sense in justifying the placement on the list.

  • davidR

    i guess most of the paul pierce hate comes from him not having the bonafide superstar marketing status of a kobe, lebron, ai, etc.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    I’m out for good, y’all. Look for new previews on Bachi from RV and me!

  • J Donuts

    fantasy trade: Oden for B Roy. I’m trading Oden. Good?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Nah Moose, it does take some time to wrap your head around just how crazy that is. Bob Cousy? Bill Russell? Larry Legend? Daaamn.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Todd Spehr: I think you mostly mean James the balla… Haha

  • Orlando Green

    6- Steve Nash
    5- Tim Duncan
    4- Chris Paul
    3- Kevin Garnett
    2- Lebron James
    1- Kobe Bryant

  • Orlando Green

    When are we going to get an updated list of the all time top 75 or 100

  • darnell

    dats mi boiii right dere. that pdub joint is heading back to the chip baby!!

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    So can we like, move on? Dirks been ranked (too low of course), and the second player to antagonize most commenters here for the last week or so (P-Squared) is also on the list. Bring on the crème de la crème of the NBA.

  • jdn41

    oden gonna get 15-10-2 and .500 f roy

  • brian

    Russ,

    Im still waiting for justification as to why pierce is ahead of wade…wade is in another class than pierce such that even w/ his injury, hes still higher than pierce

    everyone and their mom knows that pierce is maybe top 15 and that wade is top 5…except for slam…lebron, kobe, wade and paul are the true top players in the league

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Orlando @ 10:45…a list like that is coming to the magazine (and probably the site as well) in the next six months or so…stay tuned.

  • KA

    LOL at dudes not getting the styling of this article based on unhinged Internet fanboy ranting LOL. srsly, I done think the pp-billups comparison is unreasonable. sure paul has been consistent for a longer time but essentially theyre both dark horses when u discuss the best at their respective position. pp right behind lebron, in front of melo? I’m down with that. also my fave pp quote is abt him not needing to work out and get ripped, he just needs some fried chicken and he’s ready to go. the truth keeps it real.

  • niQ

    um. what was wrong with the grammar….. that was pretty bad.

  • tealish

    I’m curious as to whether AI or Kobe is higher on the all-time list. I guess the rings will push one ahead of the other, but looking strictly at their individual careers aside from team accomplishments, it’s really hard to say.

  • John D

    Wow, niQ. You STILL don’t get it?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    For the record, I caught up with Pierce tonight after Knicks/Celtics, and he was pretty psyched on his spot. Had no problem with any of the guys we put ahead of him. Does that mean he’s too high? Don’t know. But I like him just where he is.

  • Chukaz

    See, this type of nonsense is why I don’t frequent this site no more.

  • Big Time

    PP right on the spot! Great stuff SLAM!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    J donuts: That’s a tricky one. Usually i’d say take Roy, since he’s not a rookie and you know he’ll contribute some good stats..however, with bayless, rudy and Oden coming in this year its likely Roy’s stats will drop, especially scoring. If I were you i’d look at the preseason boxscores to get an idea of how each is playing and being affected by their new teammates.

  • Chukaz

    Yo, P Double ain’t top ten in the Eastern conference. Seriously, who came up with this sh*t? Was it a joke?

  • Justin

    Better than Wade? Eh, I don’t know. Based off of last season’s performance, I guess this is close.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Damn, now even Kobe went down.

  • ArmoPimp

    Boooooo

  • ArmoPimp

    Kobe’s gonna be #1

  • Jono

    wyane wade deserves to be higher

  • Jono

    Dwyane*

  • underdog

    At least, P-Double is number one on his own list, and that’s what really matters.

  • d-mo

    P-dub is #7 thanks to James Posey, no lie!

  • starbury&stevey

    Russ you´re writing the way eminem raps..
    i agree with his place,he´s been a leader for years now,bad(mostly)and good years.and he´s the greatest pure scoring machine in the league right now(sorry sasa)

  • Lthizzlamic

    must be one great allusion, Ulysses? Flowers for Algernon? Cummings? I thought Vonnegut for a moment and then Faulkner but I must be wrong. Either way I agree with the central idea of the arguement, but hey PP isnt the best at anything, hes just excellent at everything, and that cant make him valuable right? Thats why Pippen just rode coattails.

  • scott

    Fantasy wise. Brandon Roy > Greg Oden.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Russ is the man. Nuff said. Peace.

  • floe

    I like where this is placed.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    d-mo: Uhhhh, no. And I can answer it in two sentences. 1) As much as Posey helped, he came off the bench, so it’s not enough time to cover his butt as you think he did. 2) Posey was only here in Boston for 1 year. Look at all the other stuff he did.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Oh, and who wants to bet me that the number two ranking on this list will break the SLAM all time record for comments? And when that happens, sensical people, do come out. And Russ or anyone else, what is the record for number of comments?

  • Andy

    For those of you who continue to post “OMG PP suckz. Melo and AI are better. My grandma is better thatn PP. ROFLMAO”, could just one of you actually provide us with some reasons for your opinion?

  • rikson

    PP is the kind of guy you either lolve or hate – thats the problem. But make no mistake here, dude is a silent killer. You wont see him dunking in somebodys face but he gets the job done… I guess people dont like him, cause his strenght isnt hangtime, fancy dunks or nolook passes – but (to me) the truth is the most versatile 3 we have today. As this list is based on efficiency this has to count equaly (or even more)…
    In addition you must not forget, that he can probably do even more than he did this year, but plays the way that is best for the team. I think thats the main reason, why he is in front of most of the gyus you were naming here. Good choice Slam!

  • Andy

    Moose, rankings 1 to 3 are going to be insane. Keyboards across the world will be responsible for earthquakes.

  • rikson

    Plus im really sick of all this “he has to allstars, who carry the load arguments. NO ONE – i repeat – NO ONE will get a ring on his own! And all you melo and AI fans – look at THAT supporting cast. AI (dont get me wrong i like AI) has a great team but hasnt accomplished anything that can be compared to C´s last year. The ability to form a new team and win the chip in one year shouldnt be rewarded on a list based on efficiency???

  • rikson

    * Of course Pierce didnt form the team but he knew where his place was and played the right way…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Andy, number 2 will be the big one, though–it says Kobe or Bron is number one.

  • LISTEN LISTEN

    Most OVERRATED PLAYER IN THE NBA.

    He isnt even top 20

  • rikson

    Jesus. Cant help all of them. im out…

  • folodadon17

    PP=Overrated
    SLAM juss because sum1 has a ring doesnt mean their sweet. Lemme guess KG number one rite?
    SLAMONLINE ARE SUM TRUE****RIDERS

  • Bruno

    Paul Pierce is a fraud!
    come on… except celtics fans, everybody knows this guy never is/was/will be top 10 nba
    he is a joke.
    a good player, but this team was KG’s team, and Ray Ray deserved way much more the finals MVP.

  • http://www.GotKickstv.com Sean

    YES!!!
    TOP TEN HE IS HE PROVED IT IN THE SEASON AND THE PLAYOFFS HE WAS THE MOST CONSISTENT ON HIS TEAM

  • Otome (LionO)

    Man, haters quite. P Double deserves this spot, maybe higher. Couldn’t agree less with what Russ B implied, the guy metamorphosises, being whatever Boston needs him to be. He became great against LB and KB, even overcame ‘em. P Double, much love and high regards.

  • George

    pshh. dont know why all you are hating on him. without double P, the celtics wouldnt have got out of game 7 against lebron and the cavs. if anything, pierce deserves to be in the top 5. he is 1 of the most complete players in the league, he should be mentioned with the kobe talks!!! he can shoot, post up, drive to the hole, and is an above average defender.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    MOOSE WAS HERE NOVEMBER TENTH. NOBODY WILL EVER COMMENT ON THIS POST EVER AGAIN AND I WILL BE THE LAST ONE ON HERE. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I CAN SAY WHATEVER I WANT BECAUSE NOBODY WILL EVER CHECK THIS POST EVER AGAIN! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA! CELTICS FOR LIFE! MOOSE IS DA MAN! SHOUT OUT TO HB! Wow, I don’t know what to say even though I could say anything.

  • http://IJIJ CAMILLE

    IF HE TRULY IS NUMBER 7 YOU WOULDNT WRITE AN ARTICLE TRYING TO CONVINCE EVERYONE HE IS NUMBER 7. ONCE AGAIN WADE GETS THE SHAFT. HE SINGLE HANDEDLY WON A CHAMPIONSHIP FOR MIAMI. A PERFORMANCE WHICH IS ARGUABLY THE BEST IN BASKETBALL HISTORY AND HE LEAD THE US BASKETBALL TEAM TO A GOLD MEDAL. SAD.

  • abbey

    I loveeee uu piercee and sweetyy u deserve to be numbaa onee <33

  • http://celticknightk3@aol.com Sir Ken Scott

    PP is the truth and you see haters and PP’s opponents can never handle the truth LMAO!!!

  • Zach

    The above article is the most moronic thing I’ve ever read. Truth has been an unheralded top 12 player for about a decade now, with ridiculous durability and phenomenal numbers on teams that were really low on talent. It’s about time he gets recognition as a top 7 player after a title, a finals MVP, and a phenomenal run this year leading an injury depleted squad. After Lebron, he’s without argument the best small forward in the NBA. Few if any players are a more difficult matchup offensively and he’s raised his defense to all-league level in recent years. Also with the game on the line perhaps only Kobe is a more sure-bet. The haters are sad and I haven’t read a single legit argument against Pierce’s ranking here. When he hangs em up in about 5 years, he’s a 1st ballot hall-of-famer who people now seem to think is overrated when in fact he’s been underrated for almost his entire career.

  • jeremy

    managed to get a pretty bad team to the eastern conference finals led the biggest playoff comeback against the pacers elevated the level of his team for years untill adequate support came. consistently goes up against the best and out preforms them ie. keeping lebron under 40% fg in last years playoffs contain kobe . always played good defense but now improved consistency at that end and elevated it to an all team level while similar guys like tmac and vince caters careers taper off his game is improving. like dirk the guy is still underrated he is truly a top tier elite all world type guy in that group theres KG TD kobe lebron dirk and pp34 yao would be if he was healthy

  • http://www.narutoepisode.us Watch Naruto

    nice post here mate! It’s great to finally see other people online that think the same way that I do! im gonna save your website in my favorites so i can come back later!

  • Vanessa Lynch

    I Agree. Paul Pierce Is Great Truely One Of The Best In The NBA.
    So All Yall People Sipping ON Hateraid And Being All He Dosent Deserve It. Go Somewhere.. Because He Is Amazing, And Goes Hard In The Paint..
    This Is The Truth!

Advertisement