November 18, 2008 10:30 am  |  104 Comments

George Karl Has No Qualms About Throwing A.I. Under the bus


by Marcel Mutoni

The excitement over the Iverson/Billups trade is off the charts in the Mile High City. The Nuggets, after all, are 5-1 since re-acquiring their native son. And no one is happier about this than the head coach.

Hearing George Karl talk about the ramifications of the swap, you’d almost be led to believe that a great weight has been lifted from his shoulders; that he’s finally free to demonstrate his coaching ingenuity to the world now that he’s been blessed with a “playmaker”.

From the Denver Post.

“I don’t think there’s any question coaching a team for many minutes, without a passing and point guard mentality, is frustrating for a coach. Sometimes I saw something, but I couldn’t get it done on the court because I didn’t have a playmaker out there.”

“A.I., at times, had trouble trusting the guy he’s throwing it to,” Karl said.

Karl even busts out his calculator to demonstrate Iverson’s inferiority at the point guard position (something about “contested-shot charts, bad-shot charts and cheap defensive possessions”).

Of course, there’s no mention of Karl’s failure to properly utilize Allen alongside Melo, the team’s overall inability to play a lick of defense over the last couple of years, or the fact that their recent success has come largely against sub .500 teams.

The “Answer” when Denver bows out of the Playoffs early yet again next spring? Iverson’s fault, naturally.

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  • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 10:38 am
    Is anybody surprised at this move by George Karl? He’s thrown players under the bus at every stop in his career. He’s constantly bad mouthed players to the media. He is Larry Brown without the actual coaching talent.
    Come on, Karl is pretending that he didn’t have Steve Blake as a point guard. Or, he’s forgetting that he did have Andre Miller and the Nuggets still couldn’t get out of the first round!
    So basically, George Karl is counting on people who are not enamored with Allen Iverson’s brand of basketball to immediately take the bait and accept that he was the problem in Denver. That’s what he is counting on to protect himself and get people to ignore the fact that Linas Kleiza, Anthony Carter and Carmelo are regressing. That Nene still does not play defense more than four feet away from the basket and that his team still cannot be counted on to defend in crucial situations.
    Cool.

  • Exile Posted: Nov.18 at 10:38 am
    Chauncy is better for Melo… But this is a fairly “whatever,” comment. I don’t think AI is gonna get torqued about this one.

  • LexaB Posted: Nov.18 at 10:41 am
    So AI was the BIG flaw in a team that couldnt play any defense despite having a offensive dream roster???? Interesting George, really interesting…

  • Diggy Posted: Nov.18 at 10:48 am
    Why didn’t he say that when AI was there? What a coward…

  • Will Lee Posted: Nov.18 at 10:51 am
    he sucks

  • Niio Posted: Nov.18 at 10:52 am
    Did Karl forget how AI had to save the Nuggets’ @ssess during ‘Melo’s suspension?

  • Dunkadelic TV Posted: Nov.18 at 10:55 am
    George Karl has never been able to get over the hump. When he was in Seattle it was Shawn Kemp. In Milwaukee it was Glen Robinson or Vin Baker. Now in Denver it was A.I. If Karl continues to diss players in a league where egos are as big as the arenas they play in he’s going to have problems reaching them as a coach/player and more important win that elusive championship. Defense wins Championship George you’ve had the Defensive Player of the Year twice in your career maybe you should look in that mirror and you might be scared at what you see. I know I would.

  • j Posted: Nov.18 at 10:57 am
    I don’t see the big deal. If I was AI it’d be hard for me to trust some of those guys too and given the teams he’s come from its hard to just shake off that mentality.

  • matt Posted: Nov.18 at 11:05 am
    this is what i don’t get. anthony carter was running the point, and steve blake while he was here. isn’t wasn’t all on ai’s shoulders. ac should not have even been on the court if that’s the way karl felt, though. if he can’t run the team either, then what’s the point of putting an undersized, p o s out there? karl must be on his last legs in denver.

  • Cheryl Posted: Nov.18 at 11:07 am
    The funny thing is, LB would probably be a really good coach for this team.

  • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 11:11 am
    George Karl is a blowhard. I’m sure Gary Payton and Ray Allen would agree.

  • kev Posted: Nov.18 at 11:21 am
    karl is a horrible coach and a punk for saying all this after AI got traded but with that said its the truth. We all love AI’s heart but, his game has diminished and he is selfish. His best role would be as a six man, like ginobili’s role in san antonio The pistons will not get better from this move, mark it down!!!!!

  • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 11:23 am
    Thanks for the input Kev.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Nov.18 at 11:26 am
    Not cool by Georgr Karl, but in some ways he’s probably right. Since AI left Melo is even averaging 10 plus rebounds and their holding opponents under 100 ppg. Chauncey has really spread the ball around and seems to have brought that Pistons mentality with him. I hate that Ivy is being made into a scapegoat for all thats gone wrong in Denver though.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Nov.18 at 11:29 am
    I think Karl was a bit scared of AI (and Melo too for that matter), but this is a bitch move. Listening to Karl in the huddle you can tell that the team has very little respect for him. Who wants to bet AI drops 40+ on the Nuggets next time they meet?

  • BETCATS Posted: Nov.18 at 11:32 am
    George Karl is just p!ssed he didnt get a call back for the lead role in Grumpy Old Men 3.

  • Candice Posted: Nov.18 at 11:34 am
    ciolkstar, they were playing better defense before the trade too. It didn’t just start when Chauncey got there. ALso they were bad defensively before AI got there. Melo still look’s the same to me too. Denver offense hasn’t looked that spectacular either. Last year Melo averaged something like 7.4 rebounds, so naturally shouldn’t he be better? Maybe just maybe if Karl would have had some type of play’s instead of iso’s, it would have been better.

  • Candice Posted: Nov.18 at 11:36 am
    What hasn’t Karl thrown Lineas Klieza or Anthony Carter under the bus yet? Especially Klieza because just like JR he hasn’t taken a shot he doesn’t like.

  • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 11:39 am
    I marked it down Kev. Now, what do you want me to do with it?

  • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 11:41 am
    Incidentally, i’m now eagerly awaiting Jan. 9th.

  • Keith Posted: Nov.18 at 11:42 am
    Still don’t think this is gonna end happily for Denver. I thought they moved Camby on so that after Iverson’s contract expired, they’d have a tno of money to throw around. Instead, the Camby move now looks costly as Denver is a tiny team which is locked into to Billups for the next 4 (?) years. Smooth move Denver.

  • Candice Posted: Nov.18 at 11:44 am
    Also during the summer KArl asked AI and Melo to shoot less, AI did shoot less in the beginning of the season. The most shot’s were 19 in that Ot game against the Cilpper’s, and the less was 8 shots in the loss against the Laker’s.

  • Cizzo Posted: Nov.18 at 11:44 am
    I don’t like George Karl, But his son Koby is cool kat and he can ball , pops on the other hand is Bball cancer!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Nov.18 at 11:46 am
    coward…

  • Candice Posted: Nov.18 at 11:52 am
    Also I can’t imagine that Melo and K-mart are happy about this.

  • Candice Posted: Nov.18 at 11:58 am
    tadd, I don’t have LP so the only game I really saw was the game against the Laker’s and GS but it seem’s like it’s always people in motion offense wise. In Denver the offense was nothing like that so that’s one difference I have seen so far.

  • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 12:05 pm
    Candice: That is the big difference. Curry favors a motion offense. Karl…i’m not exactly sure WHAT he favors. I do know his players do a ton of one-on-one play.

  • mackmaine Posted: Nov.18 at 12:11 pm
    yea george karl… because j.r. smith is the most trusting teammate in the world. it’s definitely all a.i.’s fault…

  • Bryan Posted: Nov.18 at 12:24 pm
    F*ck Karl.

  • neaorin Posted: Nov.18 at 12:25 pm
    Way late to the thread, but I’d really like to hear about how Iverson should be “better utilized”. Taking the ball out of his hands ain’t it because he’s not such a great shooter. His game is about driving to the rim. He is what he is. And starting a real PG alongside him creates major matchup problems on D.

  • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 12:28 pm
    Detroit is utilizing Iverson quite well.

  • neaorin Posted: Nov.18 at 12:33 pm
    Detroit has a small forward who can also initiate the offense and pass the ball, and a 6′7 SG who can knock down shots and is not a liability on D. I was asking about what George Karl should have done with that Denver team of his.

  • Breeze Posted: Nov.18 at 12:39 pm
    yes george karl is soft for his aftermath…but in some sense hes right im sorry ai is a great player..but simply great player…he needs a team with him and 11 other role players….that when he will go to the finals again..

  • Reverend Paul Revere Posted: Nov.18 at 12:42 pm
    He’s just still mad at AI for 2001. Next he’ll be bashing Mutombo again.

  • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 12:48 pm
    Neaorin
    he could have elimated some of those isos. had steve blake or carter get iverson and Melo the rock on some down screens and flare screens like Detroit runs. He could have told Kenyon and Camby to flash hard to the rim when Iverson drives baseline. Eliminated most of those elbow jumpers for Camby. He could have gotten Melo to crash the boards harder and to work on doing more things from the high post at the free throw line. He could have worked harder on the Melo and Iverson pick and roll. Lots of stuff he could have done.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Nov.18 at 12:51 pm
    I do honesly think that AI’s Philly teams were sorta the best fit for him. A bunch of guys who would scrap, rebound, defend, not make mistakes and let him shoot 35% of the time while covering for him (gambling) on defense. I’m not trying to knock Ivy, its just that he’s gonna do what he does, regardless of the situation. Denver didn’t have the right type of players surrounding him to be successful. Whether the problem was him or the other guys depends on your perspective…

  • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 1:11 pm
    Ya’ll should really watch a Detroit game or two before commenting.

  • B. Long Posted: Nov.18 at 1:12 pm
    Imagine what George Karl’s gonna say about J.R. Smith when he leaves…oh, wait they just resigned him.

  • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 1:31 pm
    TAD is right. If y’all watch Detroit, this is actually the best fit for Iverson ever in his career. Defensive players, who also have some scoring ability. Spot shooters and some folks who can create their own shot.
    I really believe Detroit can come out of the East. The only problem is that this depends on Rasheed Wallace and several Detroit fans have told me that makes it a pipe dream.

  • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 1:38 pm
    I live for “pipe dreams”. However, i’d rather “roll the Dice”.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 1:48 pm
    “I was lucky to have a coach like George Karl who gave me the support and opportunity to grow into the player I was.” —Gary Payton

  • tealish Posted: Nov.18 at 2:03 pm
    Oh Georgey boy, not cool. Not cool at all.

  • Breeze Posted: Nov.18 at 2:31 pm
    well you say to watch a detroit game but see it might be a good fit for ai..but it overshadow the other talent on the floor..prince has way more to offer than he produces…and the ball movement has been dim since..billups has came thier and step up thier defense..and most of all thier will to win…thats what happen wheen you are around a winner and not a one man army

  • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 2:40 pm
    Breeze: Huh?? Yes, I did say to watch a Detroit game or two. So far, Iverson has not dimmed anything or stopped ball movement. I really wish people would give something a chance work without making assumptions after 6 games and saying “see, I knew it wouldn’t work! What a dumb trade!”. Sometimes I wonder why I bother.

  • Breeze Posted: Nov.18 at 2:48 pm
    well let me asked you when teh denver trade was made what was your statement…did you say you wasnt sure way in see..or did you see trouble from the beginning…im not saying they wont be sucessful..im not even saying Ai wont have a good year …im just saying it will overshadow the talent they do have…and unless does guys result in playing like the 76ers did like rip turn into aaron mckie then i dont see teh finals..but as far as a good team you right i will wait and see..but one thing i know ai is a very talented player that makes otehr players talent not as relevant

  • Breeze Posted: Nov.18 at 2:51 pm
    tadone when iverson went to denver…what you think the out come was gonna be ? and do you think there going to the finals?can they beat clev or boston…shyt can they beat the hawks…

  • Nguni Posted: Nov.18 at 2:56 pm
    tadone: don’t bother. Only do so if these commenters gave actually watched some games.

  • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 2:57 pm
    Breeze: I said I would wait and see. Granted, Chauncey was running the Pistons offense for 6 seasons, so at first the trade made me hesitant. I’m sure it would make any fan fearful because for 6 years oyu know what you would get with Chauncey and how he meshed with the other players that were with him at least 4 seasons. With that said, you have to give Iverson some time to get acclimated and for the other players to get used to his style of play. Iverson is and has been a superstar in the league for 10+ seasons, so he will get the bulk of attention a majority of the time. That is the way the league is setup, for better or worse. Detroit is a squad that is very unselfish and don’t really care who get the credit or the numbers. I think Iverson can fit in quite nicely in our system and the early returns have given me signs that they will be good with him. The question is whether they will be great? Too early to tell, but I like their chances.

  • Breeze Posted: Nov.18 at 3:01 pm
    homeboy im not speaking of the game in this actual statement more of the player…and let me emphizes player..because with this so essential player to play with him you have to give up your own desires…i guess that why stackhouse, larry hughes, and melo was cool with him but he went down in numbers…i remeber when Ai went to denver he was in a press confrence and actually said its melo team…few games in the season he the team leading scorer plus he leads in mintes played..hmm…JR smith was a ghost….only one that was living off this was kleiza..he should go to the d …

  • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 3:05 pm
    TAD
    Cats haven’t even watched games. I’m an unabashed Iverson fan, but I’m also a realist about how difficult it can be to build a team around his talents.
    That said, George Karl did nothing. He rolled out the ball and made sour faces. Come on. He’s still making sour faces, but now at least Chauncey has given them som real defense at the one.
    Seriously, are you people forgetting that Karl coached ANDRE MILLER and STEVE BLAKE. These are two prototypical point guards. They pass the ball around, the set people up and Miller is a very solid defender.
    What was the excuse with them? Why were there still ball movement issues?
    Doesn’t anybody think that it’s weird that people like Anthony Carter, Eric Snow, George Lynch and Steve Blake have had career years alongside Iverson?
    Has anybody noticed how much players like Aaron Affalo and Kwame Brown have benefited from playing with Iverson? The easy shots they are already getting?
    Look, Iverson does not need to be on a team full of “scrubs” to succeed. He needs a team of defenders who can make open jump shots, are active around the glass and don’t need to touch the ball every time down the floor.
    That’s it.
    It’s not magic. In Denver, how many of those things were there? How many of Denver’s big men are activity guys? How many serious spot up shooters were on the floor? (Steve Blake and Kleiza both had career years with Iverson.)
    Denver was not constructed to totally take adavantage of Iverson’s talents and George Karl did nothing to make the situation better. This is classic Karl using the media to advance his point of view and deflect blame. He does this all the time.
    Finally, Tayshaun Prince is having a career year right now and is finally get recognition for everything he does. And all this came with Iverson on his team.
    WTF are some of y’all talking about?

  • Breeze Posted: Nov.18 at 3:05 pm
    tadone i feel you on that they are very unselfish so you right out of all teams ..this was a good pick…but can you agree that iversons get a little to overzealous….and can cause the team a lose…but i agree with he fits thier better than any other team i could think of…

  • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 3:10 pm
    Breeze
    BS. Blake, Carter and Kleiza ate off Iverson. Camby had a career year. JR Smith fell off because he couldn’t get playing time because of Karl.
    Stackhouse had a career year in Detroit after leaving Iverson, he never became an elite player and is generally regarded as a chucker. He had problems playing with Jordan too. Larry Hughes has never, EVER been that good. He had one great year in Washington where he put up 22 and that was a contract year. He’s never been a consistent shooter and couldn’t mesh with LEBRON. So is Lebron a problem? Does he hurt teammates growth?

  • Breeze Posted: Nov.18 at 3:15 pm
    well no one disagreeing that those fellas had good years…with him..i believe that if your a defender ..a hustle man..diving fall balls..aaron mckie…george lynch..hit a 3 everynow and then…you can have a fine career with him..thats why i agree that detriot is a good fit…ijust dont see the finals that just my thoughts on it…but i think hes a cancer for any offensive minded team..like the nuggets..i guess tadone is telling me not to make an statement too early about this team because this might be where he needed to be…but im just stating was has he displayed as a great player in the league…isnt this the arguement they had against kobe kinda…you sink your team..i will wait to the all star break …

  • Breeze Posted: Nov.18 at 3:23 pm
    no lebron is not a problem great point cant argue that one…but it wass a one man show in philly..and his back up dancer fits perfect…but like i sid detroit is a good fit..but do you see the measure thats needed to be taken to adjust to this player..maybe one team oout of how many teams can this guy fit with out being totally cancer…like ok .but like i said i will make no mor pre-mature statments ..as mentioned by tadone…we shall see

  • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 3:49 pm
    Here is the difference: Other teams maybe needed to adjust their team to Iverson. With Detroit, Iverson has to adjust his game to their system. One man does not trump on the Pistons. Also, Iverson is now a veteran who very badly wants to win a ring. He is willing to subject his offense to accomplish the one thing he hasn’t done yet in his career. I’ve seen some unfamiliar moments on the floor since Iverson has came to Motown, but again, I fully expected them. But I bet Detroit would have the same record with Chauncey and probably wouldn’t have beaten the Lakers on Friday.

  • Moose Posted: Nov.18 at 3:51 pm
    AI hinders his team with the fact that he isn’t a true point guard and isn’t a true shooting guard. He’s just a scorer. That might sound a bit harsh, but it’s hard to get other guys to work around that while getting a good amount of minutes.

  • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 3:56 pm
    He hasn’t hindered Detroit.

  • tealish Posted: Nov.18 at 4:03 pm
    @Moose: AI is a shooting guard who has the passing abilities of a point.
    It’s true, as Allenp said, to incorporate a player like AI in a team just like that. He’s not easy to fit.
    Is that what makes you think he’s a hindrance? If so, sign me up for some cancerous hindrance please.

  • K Holls Posted: Nov.18 at 4:04 pm
    Allenp and TADOne should be basketball professora.

  • what Posted: Nov.18 at 4:47 pm
    I agree with pretty much everything Allenp has said in this thread. AI definitely didn’t stop ball movement in the game against the Lakers (the only Pistons game I’ve seen since the trade). The only thing that needs to get fixed on that team is Rip Hamilton’s role, since almost all his scoring previously was based on coming off screens and getting fed the ball by Chauncey.

  • Breeze Posted: Nov.18 at 4:53 pm
    well i agree tadone that if billups was still there they would have the same record or if not worse…and your right detroit would have lost to the lakers…i see that you actuallu believe that hes willing to adjust to the system in detriot..so what was his motivation to sign with denver i asked.? but maybe this is his best shot as a champion. at least to be a bonife contributer and not get his ring buy just being on a team like..gary payton no disrespect to the glove tho i dont want to include his fans in this convo resulted in the butt of my jokes…but we shall see…

  • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 4:57 pm
    He was traded to Denver, not signed. Also, there is a difference in Payton when he got his ring and AI now. Payton was at the end of his career and a role player coming off the bench. AI is still a top contributor and player in this league and very well could be for another 4-5 years.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 5:14 pm
    It’s hard to build around guys who are high-volume shooters AND a team’s primary ballhandler. LeBron and AI are very similar in that way. It’s no coincidence that both have gone through a large number of teammates with limited postseason success. (It’s kind of funny that Larry Hughes played with both of them.) I suppose Gilbert fits into that class as well, along with Stephon. I don’t believe it’s a coincidence.

  • Jackie Moon Posted: Nov.18 at 5:31 pm
    He also thought that Coby Karl was the key to the Lakers’ success.

  • Candice Posted: Nov.18 at 5:38 pm
    But Russ you have to admit that AI has cut down on his shooting and is now more efficent.

  • what Posted: Nov.18 at 5:47 pm
    LeBron’s played 5 years and been to at least the 2nd round in three of them. I wouldn’t say he’s had “limited” postseason success at all… in fact compared to most players, even most superstars, his success in the postseason is probably above average.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 5:59 pm
    Eh, they beat the Wizards every year. I could beat the Wizards. And yes, AI is definitely more efficient, but he’s still difficult to build around.

  • Candice Posted: Nov.18 at 6:24 pm
    Russ what are you expecting from our Bull’s tonight? It’s been a long time since they have been .500 starting their circus trip. Also Rose is the first rookie since MJ to score double digits in his first 10 games.

  • Caleb Posted: Nov.18 at 6:48 pm
    @Russ Bengtson… I would hardly say that Lebron has had “limited postseason success,” unless winning a title is the only thing that can be considered as such. And I’m not at all a Lebron fan… but give credit where credit is due.

  • Caleb Posted: Nov.18 at 6:49 pm
    Ah, I really need to read more comments before I post my own.

  • Anton Posted: Nov.18 at 7:14 pm
    that’s because all the guys he was throwing the ball to SUCKED

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 7:27 pm
    Man. I just want the Bulls to compete tonight. I’ve more or less given up on the idea of John Paxson being a remotely competent GM and I’m not sold that Vinny is a competent coach. As long as none of this hurts Derrick’s development I suppose it’s OK for now, but I’m expecting some major changes one of these days. So far they’ve been afraid to do anything serious, and it’s starting to get a bit upsetting.

  • ClydeSays Posted: Nov.18 at 7:35 pm
    Institute some defensive schemes George instead of blaming AI.

  • Dacre Posted: Nov.18 at 8:00 pm
    Its all good Russ….I think Paxson and DEL BLACK will let Rose just keep playing…
    I like how Ben Gordon has gone to work with the court time he’s been given….he hasn’t said too much to the media about being the 2nd best guard the bulls have and not being utilised properly…

  • Candice Posted: Nov.18 at 8:19 pm
    @Russ. Take it for what it’s worth but Sam Smith said that Chicago deal for Garnett was better than Boston’s. He said that they had offered something for Gasol too. Who knows’s but I think Paxson has done okay.

  • Gaz Posted: Nov.18 at 8:33 pm
    I heard a rumor that BETCATS wants to bum George Karl…..

  • ChrisBay Posted: Nov.18 at 8:55 pm
    Breeze said:”well you say to watch a detroit game but see it might be a good fit for ai..but it overshadow the other talent on the floor..prince has way more to offer than he produces…and the ball movement has been dim since..billups has came thier and step up thier defense..and most of all thier will to win…thats what happen wheen you are around a winner and not a one man army”
    - Im sorry, but you are full of garbage…T-Prince has been playing like a grown ass man so far this season, he has probably benefited the most since Iversons arrival. Give me a break. The ball movement has been perfectly fine since Iverson got there..the problem in Denver was that no one barely moved around in the half court sets, they would just stand around waiting for someone to make a play…in Detroit they move very well without the ball, I remember during the Laker game the commentater saying “if you move without the ball Iverson will get it to you”, and he did. Also, as someone mentioned the Nuggets defense was a little better then last season even before Iverson was traded. And if it took Billups to come to that Nuggets team to convince those lazy bastards to want to win then that is truly pathetic. Why should they need someone to constantly tell them to play hard? Disgusting. The Nuggets have only played 1 team with a winning record since Billups arrival, so give us all a break. I like Billups and think he can help that team but some of you are pushing it. Anyone that has watched Detroit over these last few seasons can tell you that Chauncey got real complacent..hell even Sheed said that about last seasons Pistons the team and some of its players in a recent interview. I have seen Piston fans online say that since Iverson has gotten there that that team seems to have a new spark and the players are playing even harder then they have before, he also gives them something they never had which is when their offense gets stagnent a true “go-to” guy, someone that can get to the line at will and someone that can get you more points in the paint. I actually seen Iverson playing decent defense for the first time in a while the othernight(lol), maybe that team is also rubbing off on him. So if we are going to give credit, lets not make it one sided..because some of you are just in here giving your opinion on Iverson, but not basing it on FACT. Yes Iverson has had the tendency to make some bad shots..all scorers do, so I dont know why he is the one that constantly gets called out for it. That Nuggets organization needs to worry about their own so called “franchise player”, maybe if Melo lived up to even half the hype that some of the Nuggets fans put him up to, maybe that organization wouldnt have to go out and make trades for other Superstar players to try to help save that sorry franchise. Its okay to hold Iverson accountible for some things, but make it fair..by Karls own admittence he said that Iverson was the ONLY player he didnt have a problem with ‘jawing off’, he said that Iverson was a professional the entire time. If that was the old “Sixer” Iverson, he would have cussed Karl out for half the Coaching mistakes Karl made…and their were plenty. Karl knows good and damn well AI wasnt their primary PG, so the comparisen is mute..all Karl just did was buy his team a first class ass whoopin when Detroit comes to town.

  • tealish Posted: Nov.18 at 9:08 pm
    @Candice: That first 10 game double digit scoring stat is surprising to me. I would think AI would’ve easily done that. In fact, if you said he didn’t have a single game under 10 pts in his rookie year, I wouldn’t have been surprised.

  • Gaz Posted: Nov.18 at 9:11 pm
    I’m sure BETCATS would love to get inside George Karl’s ‘bus’.

  • Candice Posted: Nov.18 at 11:00 pm
    @Tealish I meant to say Bull rookie since MJ.

  • ChrisBay Posted: Nov.19 at 12:05 am
    Wait, I just read the article and it was originally taken out of context by the Philly inquirer (ofcourse). Karl was basically talking about what having a true PG can mean for a team like theirs..he wasnt saying that Iverson was at fault. He also praised Iverson and said that he beleives Iverson will thrive in Detroit because of their system. Someone has even written an article about how Karls comments were taken out of context and how he has never had anything negative to say about Iverson. But I still stick by my comment that Karl needs to start taking accountibility for his teams, because going 1 and done in the first round of the playoffs for five years is not the business.

  • rjcortesjumpman Posted: Nov.19 at 12:10 am
    George K sucks as a coach… he’s a proven loser… its a mystery why teams keep giving him chances — there are so many young coaches more deserving to coach in the League

  • Dacre Posted: Nov.19 at 12:42 am
    this from NBA.COM…[Nuggets coach George Karl lamented the timing of Joe Wolf's move from the Denver organization to Milwaukee to serve as Bucks coach Scott Skiles' assistant. Karl said that had he known he was going to lose two of his own assistants last summer, Wolf would have been at the top of his list for a promotion after serving as coach of the D-League's Colorado 14ers the last two seasons.]
    …..He can’t even assess the value of capable coaching staff he could keep on hand, let alone the pluses/minuses to a particular style of PG over another…

  • NJ4Life Posted: Nov.19 at 12:42 am
    anyone know the name of these retro kicks? http://www.kicksology.net/images/reviews/nike/review_kidd_34shell.jpg

  • ktokyo Posted: Nov.19 at 3:01 am
    the funny thing is, Geroge Karl is right! I’ve been saying all along - Iverson will NEVER help a team win a championship. Sure he gets lots of points and plays through injury, but he’s a liability to a TEAM. He can’t RUN a team the way a PG should. He’s already slowing down the Detroit offense because he disrupts the flow by hogging the ball and taking too many shots.

  • ktokyo Posted: Nov.19 at 3:04 am
    @ciolkstar. Yeah, you’re probably right. Iverson will drop 40 on the Nuggets - and the Pistons will lose because Rip and Sheed won’t get enough touches. Iverson’s all about self. Not because he’s a selfish person, just because his game is selfish.

  • ktokyo Posted: Nov.19 at 3:06 am
    and I don’t really care about George Karl, but I’m glad someone said it.

  • 007 Posted: Nov.19 at 3:10 am
    for d coach everybody has a point as to him sucking..for Ai..he’s an all-star but he ain’t no superstar or gonna be a legend when he’s done like MJ,Bird.magic etc. And i don’t think i have to elaborate on that. No matter what he says bout him being him. It’s what u see on court that says it all. Period.

  • ktokyo Posted: Nov.19 at 3:13 am
    @AllenP. Yeah, I noticed Kwame Brown has really benifitted. He’s a scrub. Maybe they should trade Rip for Eric Dampier or something.

  • DALLAS STOKES Posted: Nov.19 at 3:24 am
    CHAUNCE IS THE TRUTH!!! KARL IS LUCKY, AND A.I. IS A GREAT HIGH LITE, HOWEVER I’D TAKE CP3 OR NASH D.W. OR HALF THE GUYS WHO SEEN OLYPIC GOLD OVER HIM ANY DAY. HE HAD HIS TIME AND 3 TEAMS AND NO CHIP LATER… HE WILL ALWAYS BE THE GUY THAT CROSED JORDAN, HAD SOME GREAT AWARDS AND RETIRED LIKE BARKLEY MINUS GOLD. GOOD BUT NEVER GREAT AND ONE HELL OF A FIRST SHOE. P.S. CAN THEY TRADE KARL? IM SURE SOTA WOULD TAKE HIM FOR AN ESCALADE AND A 3RD ROUND DRAFT PIC!!!

  • 007 Posted: Nov.19 at 3:35 am
    anytime ur 6′2 and under ur expected to spread d ball and not be a liability on defense presumably when u already are due to ur size. and when u aged..u suppose 2 be wiser.

  • Crook Posted: Nov.19 at 11:14 am
    Stop Stop Stop….AI is NOT washed up and he IS hard to build around but do NOT blame him for Denvers lack of winning. Anthony is more of a problem than AI was and Anthony isn’t a big problem (on the court lol). Karl is one of those coaches that really knows the game well but can not really coach. True players will understand that statement. If you listen to Karl and the media, Kemp wasn’t smart enough, GP was a loose canon, Ray wasn’t aggressive enough etc etc etc. IT IS WHAT IT IS AND IT’S KARL’S FAULT.

  • Allenp Posted: Nov.19 at 11:27 am
    Some of y’all really need to take a writing class. And a logic class.
    In fact, any sort of class would be an improvement.

  • Crook Posted: Nov.19 at 12:04 pm
    That quote by Payton: Most people say something good about a person when a mic is thrust in front of them and the red light is on. lol. except for Artest or KG.

  • Breeze Posted: Nov.19 at 12:15 pm
    i agree on a writing class..but i guess this is not the place to critize grammar…but to chris bay that wrote the longest comment in the history of the blogging world …understand me iverson is a great player…but his talent…..sometimes over shadow other guys…that a guy like chauncey can assist or get more shots for..less observed the year before iverson came to the nuggets..melo average was higher in almost every catergory..now you might say well iverson came so he didnt need that many shots ..but then that will mean that his percentage should have been higher…its hard for iverson to co-exist with another scorer..now prince people are saying stella year but compared to who..or just compared to his recent sucess..

  • Drew Posted: Nov.19 at 1:00 pm
    I am really late to this thread, but I thought I would add my two cents. The Karl interview wasn’t as bad as the quote makes it sound. He said that he missed having a real point guard last year. He said that AI is playing better in Detroit because he trusts his teamates more, and that he didn’t seem to have that trust in his players in Denver. Ever since the Nuggets didn’t resign Steve Blake, Karl has been lobbying for a real point guard. It’s not that he wanted to get rid of AI. It’s is that he really wanted a point guard. AI is a great player, but to fully utilize him, you need to pair him with a tall point guard who can defend. Denver didn’t have that last year, and it killed them. The addition of AI’s $20 million to their already-bloated payroll prevented them from getting one. Karl should have shut up about AI, but that isn’t his nature. He speaks his mind, and you have to listen to his whole stream-of-consciousness discussion. He is an overrated coach, but there was truth to what he was saying.

  • Jacob Posted: Nov.19 at 1:18 pm
    karl needs to stop talking, seriously he is acting like a coward now, he shouldve said these things while AI was there…

  • NBK Posted: Nov.19 at 1:24 pm
    The Nuggets are going to end up in just about the same position record wise as last year. Billups makes more sense for their team and probably makes them better but at the end of the year they will be in the same place they were last year, Iverson was not the problem

  • CD PLAYA Posted: Nov.19 at 1:34 pm
    Ok, lets just ask one question. Who would you rather try to win with in a game?

  • NBK Posted: Nov.19 at 1:45 pm
    You can’t ask that question because it still depends on who is on the team, if you have a team with shooters then you would rather have iverson because he can get to the hoop on anyone, if you have a team with bigmen or a good #2 option you take Billups because he is more likely to get the ball to the right spot at the right time. THere is no way to come up w/ a 100% correct answer to that question

  • ChrisBay Posted: Nov.19 at 3:05 pm
    Breeze: If you were to put together all your 100 comments on how Iverson supposidly messed up the team, your comment would have been the longest on this board. I like to get all my sh*t out at once and keep it moving. Now A.) Iverson isnt a PG, he’s a combo gaurd, so all this comparing him to Chauncey, Nash, CP3 or whoever else is irrelevent. B.) The only thing that went down off Carmelos statistics was his PPG (go check before you start typing) and Iversons PPG average went down as well, thats just commen since when you have two dominate scorers on 1 team. Also, Melo still playing the same way since Iverson left, not living up to his potential. C.)Prince is having a good year compared to himself. Where we supposed to be comparing him to someone else? You came on here and said Iverson was overshadowing Prince and that Prince has “more to offer then he is showing”, the fact of the matter is Prince has probably benefited the most off of Iversons arrival and has been playing very well. ANy star player is going to have the attention on them when they come to teams, thats just commen since. You are basically just spouting off a bunch of nonsense just to suit your opinion of Iverson, whitch like a lot of his critics, has not always been based on FACT. As I stated before, Karls comments were taken out of context anyways..so you are basically wasting your time. The Nuggets had been playing without a PG for the last few seasons, they knew they needed a PG when they traded for Iverson..and if they were so worried about Melos getting outshined then maybe they should have thought about that before they went out and made a trade for a player that was a bigger star then the one they already had.

  • Eric Posted: Nov.19 at 3:29 pm
    iverson is a chucker

  • Amanda Posted: Nov.19 at 6:53 pm
    “Some of y’all really need to take a writing class. And a logic class.
    In fact, any sort of class would be an improvement.”
    ha ha ha

  • Breeze Posted: Nov.24 at 12:15 pm
    well chris bay you say maybe they should have thought about getting a bigger star..no maybe they thought that iverson will actually grow up and make winning is best intrest..this guys is sinking a once prominent denver team yeah it may be all his fault but you know what with billups they new how to when even when they was playing bad….

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