• November 18, 2008 9:04 am  |  88 Comments

    The Post Up: Spurs Steal From The Clippers

    While Houston and Utah take care of business.

    by Holly MacKenzie

    Good Morning!

    The news of the day (at least in my Golden State-infused world), is that Stephen Jackson signed a 3-year extension with the Warriors yesterday. I had originally changed my facebook status to, “Holly is happy Stephen Jackson is locked up in Golden State for 3-years.”

    Yeah, had to go back and change that one after thinking about it for a moment.

    Very happy for Captain Jack and his extension.

    Not so happy to see McGrady go down again last night. “Aggravating his knee” in the second half of the Houston victory over Oklahoma City, who knows what is up with Tracy. Wishing him well, from the Post Up, though.

    Roger Mason’s big three to win the game for San Antonio was nice last night. Really pretty shot. I’m Tim Duncan!? Is that you?sure there are only three of you who saw the game, but those of you who did, it was nice, wasn’t it?

    The Spurs are so funny to me. Take away Gin, take away Parker and sure they will stumble, but they will also find ways to win the games that they are supposed to.

    K.G. suspended for the slap/hit/connection with Bogut’s face on Saturday night. I love K.G., but this was the right decision. After the Calderon taunt, he has been bursting at the seams with intensity, even more so than usual (which I didn’t think was possible, but hey, impossible is nothing, right?), and he definitely has a tendency to go overboard, if not reined in.

    Consider this his time-out.

    Andrei Kirilenko with back-to-back blocks on Shaquille O’Neal. Kind of makes me sad to see Shaq not have the lift that he used to have. Kind of makes me happy to see Kirilenko have his back.

    I don’t really know what to think of the Suns at this point. One game they look good, the next their chemistry seems messed up. I like seeing Amare be the aggressor, I miss the run and gun game. I’m also not entirely sure that they know their thoughts on themselves right now, either. What are yours?

    Houston 100 Oklahoma City 89

    Things just get rougher for the Thunder as they dropped their eighth straight game last night. While the Rockets took the 100-89 victory over Oklahoma City, they did not leave unscathed as they lost Tracy McGrady to an aggravated knee in the second half and Ron Artest left the game in the final minute with what appeared to be an ankle sprain. McGrady did not return to the game, but it didn’t matter as the Rockets were up six at the half and extended that lead to as many as 19 points in the third. While OKC would come back in the fourth and cut the deficit to single digits with a 14-3 run, they would get no closer than eight as Ron Artest scored 17 points and hauled down 11 rebounds. Yao Ming added 19 points and 12 boards and Luis Scola scored 23. Kevin Durant had 29 points for the Thunder while Jeff Green scored 16 and Russell Westbrook added 14 off of the bench.

    Utah 109 Phoenix 97

    With Deron looking nice on the sidelines, the Utah Jazz were able to take down the Phoenix Suns last night, 109-97. The win kept them undefeated on their home floor, making their home winning streak the longest in the NBA. While they were without Williams, they had Andrei Kirilenko back and he made his impact felt, blocking consecutive shot attempts by Shaquille O’Neal in the fourth quarter as the Jazz used a 17-2 run to burst to close out what was a tight game. Carlos Boozer and CJ Miles each scored 21 points for the Jazz, with Boozer also grabbing 15 boards. Kirilenko had 19 points off of the bench and Paul Millsap added 11 points and 9 rebounds as well. Amare Stoudemire scored 30 points and grabbed 8 rebounds for the Suns as Matt Barnes had 19 points and Steve Nash scored 14 to go with 8 assists.

    San Antonio 86 LA Clippers 83

    Having earned only one victory this season, the Clippers were looking to grab their second against a depleted San Antonio Spurs team. Of course, San Antonio did not envision this happening and although it came down to the final seconds, they were able to close out the Clippers and take another precious win. While the two teams battled throughout the first three quarters, the Spurs were able to go ahead by as many as 11 in the opening minutes of the final quarter thanks to a 9-2 burst to start, but the Clippers quickly came back in the final two minutes of the game, thanks to consecutive baskets from Chris Kaman and a three-pointer from Cuttino Mobley. With the game tied, it was Roger Mason Jr. who drained a three-pointer, with 8.6 on the clock. While the Clippers would get the ball back, Baron Davis would attempt a three that missed everything and the Spurs won their third straight. While Mason was big finishing with 21 points,Tim Duncan’s had a line of 20 points, 15 rebounds and 6 blocked shots. Michael Finley also added 19 points for the Spurs. Kaman had 17 points and 13 rebounds for LA while Mobley scored 18 and Baron Davis added 11 and 8 assists in the loss.

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    • Ryne Nelson Posted: Nov.18 at 9:10 am
      Those AK47 blocks encapsulated the Jazz’s absolute manhandling of the Suns. Wonderful finish!

    • Ken Posted: Nov.18 at 9:11 am
      Good to see the Clips big men can work together.

    • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 9:17 am
      Could the Thunder challenge for the worst record in NBA history?

    • Bryan Posted: Nov.18 at 9:23 am
      Terry Porter is pissng me off.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 9:26 am
      The TFKATSS needs to just go away.

    • LexaB Posted: Nov.18 at 9:30 am
      Am I the only one depressed with the 7,5 assists per game of Steve Nash under Terry Porter??? The run & gun’ style fitted him so well, thats absurd to try to change his game!!! 7 seconds or less… thats when Stevie plays like his n°6 rank on the Slam Top 50!!!! BTW, great Post Up Holly, like always!!! And great stuff about Jackx, his intensity is so beautiful, the warriors need him for all those years!!!

    • Co Co Posted: Nov.18 at 9:39 am
      Shaq can’t consistently get up the court in 7 seconds or less. I’m just sayin…

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 9:41 am
      Thing is they can’t run like that all the time with Shaq. Not if they want to win games. The D’Antoni Suns were a nearly perfect team, and if it weren’t for suspensions and injury, I’d suspect that a) they would have won at least one title, and b) D’Antoni would still be there.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 9:42 am
      Shawn Marion being clinically insane didn’t help either, of course. If only he were satisfied with receiving a max contract to play in the perfect system for his talents.

    • Bryan Posted: Nov.18 at 9:44 am
      Agreed Russ. I don’t think seven seconds or less is realistic but to come in and change the entire system, it takes away the strength of your best players. At some point as a coach you have to take stock of who you have on your team and use them according to their ability and not force your system on them.

    • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Nov.18 at 9:45 am
      Ryne, I knew you’d love the Jazz game. LexaB, it makes me sad, too. When the trade for Shaq happened, that was my worry. And “his intensity is so beautiful” may be the way I choose to describe Jax to people from now on. hahah

    • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 9:48 am
      But think of all that cap room they will have at the end of the season!

    • Bryan Posted: Nov.18 at 9:49 am
      And I mean the other night I was watching a game and the suns had zero fast break points through the middle of the 3rd quarter. Basketball is about scoring the ball and easy baskets. That tells me they are getting no easy buckets. Also Nash is taking ten shots a game , which is INSANE when he shoots such a high percentage.

    • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Nov.18 at 9:50 am
      Shia, I remember that stat coming up as well… And I wanted to bang my head against the wall.

    • Co Co Posted: Nov.18 at 9:55 am
      The Suns are a different team when Shaq is out there. Notice when he got ejected the other night they went on a run. They could actually be in a good position to compete for a title. Maybe I’m being overly optimistic, but it should be noted that I am not a Suns fan by any stretch of the imagination.

    • Co Co Posted: Nov.18 at 9:56 am
      Oh I probably should have mentioned I think they have the ability to play big or small which is why I think they aren’t in a bad position.

    • Z Posted: Nov.18 at 10:02 am
      One of the biggest myth in the NBA : Shawn Marion benefiting greatly from the addition of Steve Nash. Marion is a garbage player deluxe, he was getting 20 and 10 then, he got 20 and 10 with Nash and he’ll get 20 and 10 in MIA as long as his body holds up.

    • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 10:07 am
      Question: Is anyone complaining when Shaq is dropping more consistent 20/10’s? You have to have balance in the NBA. We all know that “7 seconds or less” stuff wasn’t going to work in the playoffs. But hey, it was fun while it lasted, right?

    • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Nov.18 at 10:11 am
      It was fun, Tad. I miss it, though. And I think it would have worked in the playoffs if not for the suspensions, but, you know.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 10:14 am
      We know the 7 Seconds or Less stuff wasn’t going to work in the playoffs? Really? Did they lose in the first round every year? I’ll say it again, if Amare doesn’t get microfractured, and if he and Diaw don’t leave the bench, they’d have at least one title by now. Coincidentally, that would be the same number as the team-first, defense uber alles Pistons. Obviously they DIDN’T win, and it’s all speculation, but please, please, PLEASE stop with the whole “fast break offenses won’t work in the playoffs.” Because they did. And they will again.

    • Co Co Posted: Nov.18 at 10:15 am
      I don’t blame the suspensions because they still lost 3 other games. I think the Spurs just had the Suns number.

    • Holly MacKenzie Posted: Nov.18 at 10:16 am
      Russ, good morning!

    • Bryan Posted: Nov.18 at 10:16 am
      Really z? Cause he’s about 11 and 9 right now.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 10:17 am
      Mornings suck.

    • jb21 Posted: Nov.18 at 10:18 am
      I didn’t get why everybody was loving off the Rockets to start the season, T-Mac and Yao have both been healthy for a long stretch of the season how many times in the last half decade?? Zero I believe. If this was NBA Live Houston is good (if injuries are off that is) but not in real life. T-Mac seems to be the classic case of an athlete that doesn’t take care of his body. Remember a couple years ago when he discovered drinking water helped his back out?? Apparently eating like crap, not working out, not drinking water, and sleeping 12+ hours a day is not a recipe to take care of a broken down athletes body, who woulda thunk it?

    • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 10:20 am
      Just my opinion Russ. No need to get ultra-defensive. I didn’t say the fast-breaking style wouldn’t work, but in a 7 game series you need some balance. That is the way it has played out thru history. Agree to disagree.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 10:21 am
      Sorry, I just snapped after hearing that tired old cliche for the billionth time. Nothing personal.

    • brian scalabrine Posted: Nov.18 at 10:23 am
      shut up russ

    • brian scalabrine Posted: Nov.18 at 10:25 am
      i banged shaqs mom

    • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 10:27 am
      But I will agree mornings suck. Time for some more coffee.

    • LexaB Posted: Nov.18 at 10:28 am
      Cosign Russ… Without Diaw and Amara leaving the bench, I also think Nash & co would wear a ring by now. History is history but it really saddens me to see a stat like “Phoenix had zero fast break points through the middle of the 3rd quarter”. Getting Shaq was a bad move for them as for the game as for the lovers of the game, if you ask me…

    • LexaB Posted: Nov.18 at 10:30 am
      And Holly, totally on the same page with you… I mean how in hell can you not like Jax intensity??? Thats like loving the Knicks’ fourth quarters or counting on T-Mac’s body to make a run at the ring??? Just simply impossible. Jax just seems to bring his whole life on the court every damn night!!!

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 10:32 am
      Also, I think the Suns HAD balance—more than most—because they could break out and score 130 points. Defense-first teams like the Pistons can’t do that. And with Marion and Bell the Suns could still shut people down. Sure, they had trouble with big centers, but those same big centers couldn’t hope to keep up on the other end.

    • Z Posted: Nov.18 at 10:34 am
      Bryan, my point was that Shaw Marion was 20-10′ing before Nash got there. / Russ, why is everybody so certain that the Suns would have won that series if Amare and Diaw had not been suspended? I’ve never got that one. I mean, the Suns had already lost some games at full strenght in that series, no?

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 10:35 am
      Thing is, a lot of fast-break, small-ball teams played that way because they had to, not because they were built for that specific purpose. The Suns were one of the first (that I can recall) that had a shot at a title. And they came damn close. As it turned out, they had a short window and just couldn’t get past some outstanding teams. All in all, were they any less successful than the early ’90s Suns or the mid ’90s Sonics or the late ’80s Blazers? Great teams all, who just weren’t able to get it done in the end.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 10:37 am
      Z, I’m not certain that they would have won that series, but it’s a possibility, right? Losing Amare for a full season hurt them, too. And I feel like had they won a title—or even made it to a Finals—maybe the whole thing doesn’t get blown up. Maybe the whole “fast break teams can’t win” myth goes up in smoke. Maybe more teams play basketball that’s both successful and aesthetically pleasing. Which would be a win on so many levels, because grind-it-out basketball is one of the worst things in sports, as far as I’m concerned.

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 10:41 am
      So, are we saying that MVP numbers Steve Nash put up were definitely tied to the system he was playing in?
      Are we all in agreement with that now?
      Just curious because that was kind of taboo to discuss for a why.
      You know, the amazing leap in his productivity based on an increase in pace and talent around him. Not that he wasn’t an all-star, but surefire Hall of Famer?
      Cool.

    • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 10:41 am
      Agree Russ, but it wins. I do miss the Showtime Lakers, the Run-TMC Warriors, and the Doug Moe Nuggets teams. Unfortunately, early 90’s teams changed all of that.

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 10:43 am
      And didn’t I mention that the Shaq trade would cause big problems for Nash?
      I think I did.
      Yes, I am gloating.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 10:44 am
      Steve Nash WAS the system, Allen. It wouldn’t have worked without him. He’s a lead guard who can push the tempo AND shoot the lights out. Show me all the other ones. And he’s still a surefire Hall of Famer. Hater.

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 10:45 am
      Oh, and like Coco, I actually think this Suns team could win a Finals.
      They have a great big man rotation, Nash is still a great point guard when he’s not over dribbling and they are playing much more solid on defense. They are a legit contender in the West.
      I think Porter needs to incorporate a few more side pick and rolls with Amare and Nash and things will be fine.

    • Z Posted: Nov.18 at 10:47 am
      Fast break teams can win in the L? I have one word for you, Russ : showtime. The Suns’ problem was never on O to me. The problem was and as always been getting key stops at the end of games and not conceding offensive boards. Nash and Amare are horrendous defensive players. That’s that, really.

    • LexaB Posted: Nov.18 at 10:48 am
      Yep Allen, I’m definitely saying Nash’s MVP numbers were tied to the system he was playing in. But what’s wrong with that??? I mean isn’t it the purpose to any coaching staff : getting the best out of what your ballers can give ya??? D’Antoni sure made that with Nash, and litte Stevie could be considered the Most Valuable Player for his team and its system in the whole L. Which doesnt mean I think he should have won that award two years in a row. You could argue about that, and in a way I would be on your side on that one, but an argument really could me made, no???

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 10:48 am
      Russ
      I don’t think I’m a hater.
      The system is working pretty well so far in New York.
      Just saying.

    • Z Posted: Nov.18 at 10:48 am
      Russ, to be fair, Chris Paul would do just fine in the desert. Maybe Deron, too.

    • LexaB Posted: Nov.18 at 10:49 am
      And yep, cosign Russ… Stevie Nash still a surefire Hall of Famer. That guy is REALLY good when the system is built around what he can do

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 10:51 am
      LexaB
      This is a longstanding argument on this site and one I’ve had in many other places. I agree with your point completely, but that hasn’t been the argument on this site and many other places.
      Anyway, it doesn’t matter. The Suns have great talent right now. They are deeper, have longer rotations, have backups for Nash, can rebound and can defend.
      They are a much more complete team right now than they have been at any time since Nash first got to Phoenix when Joe Johnson was still there.
      And I’m tired of people hating on Shawn Marion. What’s funny is that nobody ever hates on Joe Johnson for doing the exact same thing. Weird. People just don’t like Shawn Marion.

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 10:53 am
      LexaB
      I think many, many players in the league can be great if the system is built around their skills. How often does that happen though?
      Truly great players appear great no matter what in my opinion.

    • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 10:55 am
      Yep, I don’t like Shawn Marion. I’m a hater.

    • Co Co Posted: Nov.18 at 10:57 am
      Joe Johnson was a free agent, slight difference.

    • Z Posted: Nov.18 at 10:57 am
      I personnaly think it’s kinda stupid not to go for the money unless you’re really at the twilight of your career. And even then… it’s not like teams were lining up with big money for Cassell, Payton, etc. An NBA career is very short as it is and can even be shorter if you get injured. By all means, go get paid fellas.

    • Co Co Posted: Nov.18 at 11:04 am
      Plus, if you believe some of the stuff that was written, everyone in that Suns lockerroom didn’t get along. Maybe that’s why players kept wanting to leave that perfect system. Just like we all want to work around people who don’t get on our effing nerves, maybe some athletes want to do the same thing. And it also doesn’t hurt if some team is offering them millions of dollars to go with their peace of mind.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 11:05 am
      Shawn Marion’s complaint wasn’t about money. It wasn’t even about possessions and shots, since he was getting enough to be an All-Star on a regular basis. It was about attention and perception. He wasn’t being used in as many ads as Nash and Stoudemire. Boo hoo. My heart bleeds for him. And now he’s in Miami, on a crappy team where he’s once again overshadowed by a perennial MVP candidate and a hotshot youngster. Hope he’s happy. But I doubt he is.

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 11:08 am
      Russ
      I think it would be grating on me if somebody else was constantly given credit for my success by the media and fans. That’s what Marion was dealing with. People kept saying that Nash “made” him. They ignored the fact that he had been putting up at least 17 and 10 since his SECOND year in the league! True, he played with some great points like Kidd and Marbury, but he still got his numbers. Nash and the system helped him be more efficient, but I can understand it being a problem being told somebody “made” you.
      That’s insulting. His complaint about endorsements seems petty, but I think it’s tied to the fact that he felt like people were downplaying the hard work and effort he gave to be great.

    • Z Posted: Nov.18 at 11:09 am
      Russ, perhaps Shawn suffers from depression? No, I’m not even trying to be sarcastic but some people can never be truly happy. His perception of reality seems to be a bit off, I remember an interview where he said that he would rather be the top dog on a playoff team rather than one of the main players on a championship team. So yeah, it’s not even about money with Shawn.

    • LexaB Posted: Nov.18 at 11:10 am
      Allen
      Totally agree, “truly great players appear great no matter what”, but you have to admit you dont see that often a system (D’Antoni’s) so perfect for a player (Nash)!!! Yes, “many players on the league can be great if the system is built around their skills” but how often do you see that??? I think that was the real strenght of the Nash & D’Antoni runaway train… finally some coach able to bring a system just rightly right for his main player (I know, Amare is a beast too)!!! That system even allowed Diaw to shine a bit, thats great adaptation to your players, isn’t it???

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Nov.18 at 11:11 am
      Oh man, I can’t do this today. I’m cracking up. No more internet for me.

    • Z Posted: Nov.18 at 11:11 am
      I also remember Shawn flipping out in a chat session (!) because a fan was commenting on his unorthodox J. I think he’s just a sensitive, dude. That’s all.

    • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 11:19 am
      Which means you will be “lurking” for another 2 hours.

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 11:21 am
      Z
      Yeah, Shawn seems overly sensitive and weird. You add the media’s constant dickriding of Nash and belitting of Marion’s talent to that mix, and well, it’s going to be volatile.
      I’m not absolving Marion of blame, just saying it seems like people give him a lot of grief for not wanting play with the Suns when Joe Johnson did something very similar. Joe got offered a huge contract and told the Suns he’d rather go do his own thing on the ATLANTA HAWKS. Joe Johnson got clowned for a little while, but it died down pretty quickly. Yet, people still seem to make snide remarks about Marion and how he left a great thing.
      It’s just strange. I think it’s because people can look at Marion and see that he’s not a really “great” individual player who is going to carry a team. So, fans assume that he should be content to be a role player and get his money. Only, some people aren’t like that. Scottie Pippen had the same damn problems and the Bulls were winning rings!
      Some of it is on Marion and some of it is on some other folks.

    • BETCATS Posted: Nov.18 at 11:24 am
      i feel bad for shaq, Paul Milsap and Kirklenko minamalized his efficentcy.

    • Co Co Posted: Nov.18 at 11:24 am
      Thanks for capitalizing the Atlanta Hawks Allen! ;)

    • Z Posted: Nov.18 at 11:26 am
      Scottie Pippen could have been the alpha male of a really good squad in his prime. Marion, not so much. You just can’t dump it to Shawn at the end of games and say ‘go get buckets’. He doesn’t want to accept that. Nash didn’t make him though. That’s just plain false.

    • Co Co Posted: Nov.18 at 11:27 am
      And again Joe was well within his rights to leave. Marion kinda forced his way out.

    • Myles Brown Posted: Nov.18 at 11:32 am
      Im holding all of you responsible for anything Russ does within the next 6-8 hours.

    • BETCATS Posted: Nov.18 at 11:41 am
      Breaking News, Lebron traded to the Pistons for Kwame Brown and a pack of M&Ms. Joe Dumars promises the M&Ms are not the halloween type that you can find at your local grocery store for 25 cents a bag. Kwame Brown may veto the trade if he is not given cakes to throw at Clevland Fans on his way into town. Who got the better end?

    • BETCATS Posted: Nov.18 at 11:46 am
      now i see why ESPN and Fox Noize makes stories up, its fun and time consuming.

    • Bryan Posted: Nov.18 at 12:06 pm
      Jesus. In response to old comments. Marion is garbage, his entire career was spent with a dynamic point guard until now and we see what he’s doing now. Nash is putting up good numbers for someone who is playing with handcuffs on. The suns were balanced on offense just not so much on defense, that being said you don’t have to sacrifice your entire identity just to play better defense. The suns are made to play a quicker tempo game , ideally shaq would rebound and start fast breaks and when the transition game breaks down they have a go to guy in the post. Now it seems Porter doesn’t allow them to break at all. Amare Nash and Barbosa are some of the faster players in the league in the open floor what’s the point of having players like that if you’re going to under utilize them?

    • akimana Posted: Nov.18 at 12:06 pm
      AllenP, Joe Johnson went somewhere where he could make more money. Also he made an all-star game since then so he proved his point. Marion wont ever be an all-star again plus he was already gettin MAX MONEY

    • Z Posted: Nov.18 at 12:14 pm
      Bryan, that’s just stupid. It would be like saying Nash’s career was spent with dynamic bigs (Dirk and Amare). Shawn is a career 20 and 10 guy who doesn’t need plays run for him and he can guard almost anybody from 1 to 4. That’s not garbage, he gets garbage points but he’s not garbage. Foolish.
      As I’ve said, I don’t think you can win a championship if you’re constantly outrebounded and can’t get key stops. The Suns haven’t proven otherwise. You guys talk about the run n gun thing but gloss over the lack of d and manhood under the boards. Nash and Amare are terrible defenders. Amare is a below-average rebounder. Those are your two main guys.
      Running has never prevented a team from winning a chip, Lakers did that in the 80s. Get real, people.

    • Bryan Posted: Nov.18 at 12:31 pm
      Really? Its foolish how? Marion played with Kidd, Nash and Marbury in his career, now he’s got Mario Chalmers and he’s hardly scoring or rebounding. I’m saying the guy is over rated and all that plays being run for him stuff is crap. That’s the point , you can’t run plays for him he can’t create on his own, he’s only effective playing with a dynamic running point guard. Nash’s numbers are down but he’s still effective and still able to make plays occasionally when Terry Porter allows it.

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 12:35 pm
      Akimana
      Are you sure that Joe Johnson was offered more money by Atlanta? I can’t really remember, but I do know that the Larry Bird rule allows the team you’re currently with to pay the most money to resign you. I thought the Suns and Hawks offered Johnson roughly the same amount of money and he said that he just wanted to get out and do his own thing.
      Bryan
      Terry Porter has said they can run on bad shots and turnovers. He does not believe in quick threes on semi-transition and he’s not fond of quick threes on the break. Raja and Nash have of course gotten used to doing that for years and so they are having trouble adjusting. You’re right that you can run and play halfcour, the Lakers did it years ago with Magic and Kareem. But the Lakers were also very, VERY strong defensively. That led to steals, turnover and bad shots that allow for fast breaks. The Suns are not there yet.
      The Suns need to so whining about their coach. This is current team is the one best suited to making it to the Finals. They have everything they need. Now is the time to just shut up and sacrifice. I can’t believe most people don’t see this. Right now is the Suns big shot in my mind. Shaq is still capable, Amare is a beast and they have a deep team.
      Nash has to learn to play his game with a center. That’s been the biggest problem. Since Shaq came Nash has struggled to get everyone involved while also getting his points. He needs to concentrate on making Raja better, making Grant Hill and Diaw better.

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 12:37 pm
      Bryan
      I agree with your points on Marion, although he’s not garbage.
      But, this thing about Terry Porter “holding back” Nash is utter bullcrap.
      Did Don Nelson hold back Steve Nash? Because he’s putting up the same numbers now that he put up his last year with Nelson.
      The coach is not the problem in this case. The coach is trying to make the Suns into a complete team that can defend and rebound.

    • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 12:42 pm
      Porter is a good coach.

    • Bryan Posted: Nov.18 at 1:26 pm
      Why do people think he’s a good coach? He had one .500 season. And imo the suns are not playing as well as they could be under him. Allen, I respect most of your opinions but you seem to always target Nash. 15 and 9 his last season in Dallas is different than 13 and 7 this season especially coming off a 17 and 11 season. He’s a better player than he’s playing this year and I personally think it has to do with the system he’s in. Its early I’m sure he’s not going to finish the season this way but I think Porter is going to have to loosen the reins , he’s no avery johnson but damn.

    • Co Co Posted: Nov.18 at 1:35 pm
      The Hawks offered 70, I think the Suns offered like 56 or something. It was a long time ago so I don’t really remember

    • TADOne Posted: Nov.18 at 1:36 pm
      Shia: Porter only coached two seasons, so 1 .500 season is pretty good. The Suns are 8-4, playing defense, rebounding, and Shaq is posting some pretty good numbers. I’d say he is doing well for a new coach on a new team. Who cares whether or not Nash gets his numbers? Wins are what matters and also a prolonged playoff push. This team will deal better in the playoffs with a healthy Shaq and a defensive identity. When Shaq got ejected on Sunday, the suns ran that game. You cannot expect him to be a D’Antoni like coach. Give him some time; 12 games is not a season or even a half of season.

    • Bryan Posted: Nov.18 at 1:44 pm
      I don’t care about the numbers as much as I’m talking about them I care about the way he’s playing. The numbers reflect poor usage of your assets imo. I just don’t understand the porter love fest is all, he hasn’t proven himself at all to me. The record is ok but its misleading to me. I guess we’ll see. I have hope for them, I think they just need to work out the kinks and feel each other out but so far… I’m unimpressed.

    • Z Posted: Nov.18 at 2:59 pm
      Unimpressed by… Nash’s play? I mean, tell it like it is, Bryan. You’re a fan of Nash and you want to see him have great numbers. That’s okay by me. Porter’s jobs is to give his team the best chance of winning it all and I think is doing that.

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 3:16 pm
      Bryan
      I’m not a fan of Porter. I really don’t know much about him. But, I have seen Raja Bell and now Nash complaining about the shots they used to take and the shots they have to take now.
      There is a difference between improving shot selection and preventing your team from running. The playoffs have shown that when the game slows down and defense and rebounding are at a premium, the Suns have some issues. Now, you could chalk that up to the fact that the Suns had to face the Spurs multiple years and that was the perfect team to beat them. I think that’s a good point.
      But, the fact remains, they had to get better at rebounding and defense. They have done that, and they have a pretty good point differential. I say the Suns players and their fans need to give Porter more time and buy into his system.
      We already see in New York that D’Antoni’s system can produce points, but we also see the same problems with rebounds and defense. Nobody thinks the Knicks will have a real shot unless they improve on defense. Sound familiar?

    • H to the Izzo Posted: Nov.18 at 3:53 pm
      There’s always one constant during Steve Nash discussions….

    • Allenp Posted: Nov.18 at 4:16 pm
      Izzo, good to see you.
      How are you?

    • Bryan Posted: Nov.18 at 4:24 pm
      I’m not questioning the shot selection of the dude who shot 53 47 and 90 a year ago. There is a difference between a bad shot and a quick shot. Z yes I’m a Nash fan but if his numbers go down and the suns are playing good basketball I have no problem.

    • Z Posted: Nov.18 at 5:22 pm
      Well, they’re 8-4…

    • BETCATS Posted: Nov.18 at 6:10 pm
      i am late as hell to be in this conversation but SHIA IT IS EARLY IN THE SEASON AND YOUR BOYS ARE 8-4 NOT 4-8. CALM DOWN, PORTER AND NASH WILL GET THEIR SH!T TOGETHER.

    • Amanda Posted: Nov.18 at 6:33 pm
      I feel so bad for Kevin Durant, I really do.
      This talented guy plays on the worst team in the league, let alone have a WNBA team name.
      Poor Kevin. Someone start a fund or something.
      The “Lets Get ‘Em a New Name” Charity.

    • Dacre Posted: Nov.18 at 9:02 pm
      I’ve got high hopes for the Suns (as I’ve had every year since NASH was drafted…) this year. They do seem like they are in a state of flux at times though…passing into the post seems to be something they have trouble with every second game or so - I would like them to mix in the ‘uber fast game’ every once and again…maybe starting the 2nd quarter with it or something after giving nash a rest for the final couple minutes of the 1st quarter…Terry Porter is certainly respectable. I think he’s using the bench very well with Diaw, Barbosa, Hill leading the way and Lopez and Dragic given ample time to contribute…. The’re just not as dominant (or as young) as the Suns of 2 years ago….And Amare needs to dominate every night…not this, 37 one night 14 the next business…26 a night would be fine young man!
      still….we can but watch and enjoy.
      I just like the fact that both the Spurs and New Orleans are average (at best) so far this season….makes us Suns fans feel that chances look a little clearer to meet the Lakers in the Western conf. finals.

    • Dacre Posted: Nov.18 at 9:05 pm
      H to the Izzo says:
      There’s always one constant during Steve Nash discussions….
      _______________________________________________
      The finger licking!
      …Nash is awesome by the way.
      fav. player by far…

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