Tuesday, December 23rd, 2008 at 9:36 am  |  158 responses

MVP Race: Quarter Report

A look at the Top 10 candidates thus far.

by John Krolik

Hey all, I’ll be taking over the MVP rankings here at SLAM. My credentials are as follows: I love making lists, love talking about players, and think more about the MVP than any human who considers himself sane rightly should.

Real quickly, here are my three main criteria for the MVP, all weighted more or less equally: 1) Size of role on team, 2) Efficiency in performing said role, and 3) Success of team. And know that I use my criteria rather than going off past MVP awards and trying to adapt to the “established” criteria of those who vote for the MVP. I haven’t agreed with an MVP pick in the last four years. So without further ado, let’s get to the candidates:

1. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
Pros: If the vote was held today, he’d be the near-unanimous pick. Only his lack of minutes due to how many fourth-quarter blowouts the Cavaliers have accumulated are preventing him from attaining numbers the likes of which are rarely seen: last year he posted a historic 30/8/8, and this year his points per 40 minutes are up nearly a full point, and his assists and rebounds per 40 remain the same.

On top of that, more time spent in the paint and in transition, as well as a dramatically improved free throw stroke, have bumped his scoring efficiency to 60 percent true shooting, which would be his career best by a full 3 percent. And his turnover ratio would be the best of his career. And his defense is all-NBA quality: The best player on the NBA’s second-best defensive team, he’s become a feared shot-blocker (especially in transition), he’s averaging more steals than ever, and his opponent PER is 10.7 despite taking on the other team’s best scorer more often because of Delonte West’s position as the starting shooting guard.

And did I mention he’d comfortably have the single-season PER record in hand if the season ended today, a record currently held by Wilt Chamberlain? Oh, and his team is 22-4 and leads the League in margin of victory. Simply put, this is what dominance looks like.

Cons: Alas, the curse of being perhaps the most talented player ever means there will always be holes that can be fixed. When LeBron sets his feet and gets a good look at the basket, he’s a good shooter (see: International Play), but on the Cavaliers he tends to settle for off-balance looks from 20+ feet and still doesn’t have many shots in the 8-15 foot range that work for him: as a result, his eFG% on jump shots is an average 40 percent-other than Dwight Howard, that’s lower than anyone on this list, including Duncan, by a fair margin. When the lightbulb goes off on the perimeter, you could well be looking at the greatest player of all time.

2. Chris Paul, New Orleans Hornets
Pros: Offensively, Chris Paul is playing the point guard position just about as well as it can be played. By my gorilla math formula for points created, which is (PPG+APG*2), Paul is creating 44 points a game, which is straight freakish: that would match Kobe’s points created in his historic 2005-06 season.

And then there’s the efficiency. Scoring 20 points a game, he’s 12th in the entire league in true shooting with a 62.9 percent mark, thanks to his ability to finish inside or set up a sweet little short jumper. And he’s sixth in the League in assist/turnover ratio. And for the love of God, the little man only trails Jason Kidd in rebound rate among point guards despite being one of the league’s smallest guards. And he leads the league in steals, and the fact the Hornets are 11 points per 100 possessions better defensively with him on the floor would suggest that’s not just a reflection of him taking stupid gambles. Statistically speaking, I’m hard-pressed to tell you how any point guard could be playing better than Chris Paul.

Cons: But somehow he’s not your MVP. More than anything, that’s because the Hornets are “only” 4th in the West with a 16-7 record. The feeling here is that it’s the Cavs, Lakers, Celtics and everyone else at this point, and if a player from one of those three teams is putting up an individual line that’s MVP-worthy, he should get the nod.

With LeBron putting up career-best lines and on pace to break Wilt Chamberlain’s PER record on one of those teams, it’s hard to advocate Paul over LBJ. I could say that the issue is that assists, which require a teammate to make a play to finish, are less tricky to get than points, which you do all yourself, or that Paul’s defense doesn’t make nearly the same impact on the game as LeBron’s (in fact, advanced stats continue to show him as a liability at that end, which isn’t definitive but isn’t encouraging), but really it’s only his team’s lack of a stellar record and their slight underperforming of their lofty expectations that’s kept Paul’s near-perfect play out of the limelight so far. I mean seriously, look at this box score. He’s been doing it all year.

3. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
Pros: League’s leading scorer, and doing it efficiently. Ninth in the League in assists. 2.2 steals and a block and a half per game. Right now, the League’s biggest threat to drop 40 on a given night. And the team may be 14-12, but this was the League’s worst team last season. Getting to the hole at will and has developed an absolutely deadly elbow pull-up from the left side of the Wade > Kobefloor to keep defenses honest. Absolutely playing to the best of his considerable ability right now.

Cons: I had the no. 2 spot all nice and warm for D-Wade before last weekend’s three-game crapfest, where he went 19-56 from the floor with 16 assists against 11 turnovers in losses to Atlanta, Memphis and Milwaukee. That would be as many games as Kobe and the Lakers had lost all season at that time, so putting Wade ahead of Kobe just didn’t seem right, and he was in the no. 4 spot. Then he beat Kobe in an early Christmas present of a showdown and went on a mini-rampage while the Lakers looked vulnerable, and now he’s in the three-spot. For me, this was easily the toughest call in the Top 5, as it’s your classic “stats vs. record” debate, but this time I’m going with the hot hand. Ultimately, I see it as a little moot because as good as Wade and Kobe have been, LeBron and CP3 are on a whole other level, scary as that may sound.

4. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
Pros: Well, of the three teams clearly head and shoulders above everyone else at the quarter poll, two have clear-cut best players, and Kobe’s one of them. Hard not to ignore that. Defensively, he’s stepped up his game: He’s earning that All-Defensive selection he’s been given by reputation in the past, and both his opponent PER (12.5) and the Lakers’ resurgent defense reflect his renewed commitment on that end of the floor. And offensively, he’s still Kobe freaking Bryant, and has started to peel off a few of those games that make it seem like he can just decide to drop 35 on you on any given night.

Cons: He is Kobe Bryant, yes. But he’s not playing at the level he has in the past. Reduced numbers are fine—the team around him is better, and he’s playing less minutes. But there’s no reason either of those factors would cause his efficiency to fall off, which it has. His true shooting is down two full points from last year and, at 56 percent, is as low as it’s been since 2002-03. His assist ratio is as low as it’s been since 2005-06, and his rebounding rate is slightly down. A lot of this is because of a slightly worse touch from the perimeter, with a 30 percent 3-point percentage, and a reduced willingness to get to the stripe, although that’s been offset by Kobe shooting a career-best FT%. All in all, Kobe isn’t playing for the MVP this year: He’s thinking ring or bust. There’s nothing wrong with that, but this is an MVP column. Of course, none of this means he couldn’t explode at any point this year and claim back-to-back awards. There’s no doubt he’s got the ability.

5. Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic
Pros: With 4 blocks and 14 rebounds per game for a team that starts Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis at the forward spots and is still 3rd in defensive efficiency, Howard is the clear-cut DPOY at this point. And the League’s best rebounder. And scoring 21 points per game and the offensive focal point for the 21-6 Magic. And just had his 23rd birthday two weeks ago. Yipes.

Cons: It’s ridiculous how much better Howard could be on the offensive end. That he’s putting up 21 points as one of the League’s worst free-throw shooters, with a shaky post game (a decent 53.3 percent on “inside” shots), with no jumper whatsoever and no mid-post abilities to speak of is a testament to just how physically gifted he is. Just a solid free-throw stroke would make him the League’s best big, hands-down. With some fundamentals on the offensive end, he’d start exploding brains. The Shaq parallels are creepy—was he secretly in a motorcycle accident?

6. Kevin Garnett, Boston Celtics
Pros: This may seem high for KG. Here’s my justification: The Celtics are on an 18-game winning streak and the best team ever at the quarter-mark. Someone needs to be up here. The Celts are doing it with the League’s best defense. There’s no doubt KG is the Celtics’ best defensive player. Adjusted +/- backs this up by showing him as the League’s best defender and, in fact, the best overall player in adjusted +/-. CP3 got my no. 2 spot for flawless offense and being a possible liability on defense—Is the no. 6 spot for KG, as the leader of the League’s best defense and its best team, that much of a stretch?

Cons: Pretty obvious—he’s only average offensively, both in production and efficiency. And on that Celtic team, one of four players could be their best on a given night: Allen’s the best offensively this year, Rondo’s the sparkplug, plays killer D and can take over games now, and The Truth is their most well-rounded guy and their crunch-time scorer. But KG does it every night on the defensive end, and while that may not be apparent on the stat sheet or on first glance, it’s the reason the Celts are winning and why he deserves this spot. That said, it’ll be a cold day in hell when someone averaging 16.5 ppg actually wins the MVP, unless Bill Walton is given unilateral power over the League.

7. Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
Pros: Very quietly, he’s 8th in the League in PER. And putting up 21-11 every night. And he’s carried the injury-ravaged Spurs to the 3rd seed in the West. The sentimental favorite here is Never leaves the Top 10Chauncey Billups, but here’s why I put Duncan first: Who’s carried a bigger load for his team? (Duncan.) Who’s bringing more leadership”? (Duncan.) Who’s giving you more on the defensive end? (Duncan.) Right now, would you take the now-healthy Spurs or the still-on-honeymoon Nuggets in a playoff series? (Spurs.)

Cons: He was there when the Spurs were looking like a doormat, which is tough to excuse from an MVP. Other than that, he’s Tim Duncan. It doesn’t get much more solid than that.

8. Chauncey Billups, Denver Nuggets
Pros: The unquestioned leader of the League’s surprise success stories, going from what looked like a fringe playoff team to 2nd in the West, he’s completely galvanized that team on both ends of the floor. Thirty-three points created every night is nothing to sneeze at. And the efficiency is as good as we’ve come to expect from Billups: 60.5 percent True Shooting and he only trails Chris Quinn, Boobie Gibson, Derek Fisher, and Bobby Jackson in turnover ratio among point guards, and those who trail him are really spot-up shooters.

Cons: Doing as good as can reasonably be expected, but he doesn’t have the raw ability to take over a game on a nightly basis like the guys ahead of him do. That’s really not a diss—Chauncey has played as well as can be expected of a point guard, he’s just not the guy to go deus ex machina on you and pop a 30 and 7.

9. Brandon Roy, Portland Trailblazers.
Pros: When the first draft of this was sent in, I had him, in my own words, “sneaking into” the 10 spot and “keeping it warm” for Joe Johnson, Amare, DWill, Dirk or Yao. Then on national TV, B-Roy kicked it up ANOTHER NOTCH! (Note: I was looking for a clip of Emeril saying this, but couldn’t find it and got that instead. It is so bizarre I feel I must share it with you, as this is the true purpose of the internet.) He’s the clear-cut alpha dog on a playoff team nobody wants any part of, which is always good for a spot on my list.

Cons: You know, you get a week-long grace period for a clutch 50-point game on national TV. Mostly, I’m just afraid he’s going to make me look stupid again, even if only Ryne saw the original draft. I’m sure he silently judges me now.

10. Devin Harris, New Jersey Nets
Pros: In terms of points and efficiency, one of the NBA’s best scorers: He’s putting up 24 on 60.8 percent True Shooting. He’s another one of these hyper-quick guys who’s compensated for his lack of a great natural shooting stroke by never settling for deep jumpers and getting a nice little pull-up jumper from midrange that really uses his quickness to set it up instead of trying to prove to everybody how good of a distance shooter he is. And he’s running a team that many thought had given up on the next two years nicely, propelling them to a 12-11 record, which is better than DWade’s team. His defense is a strength.

Cons: Team’s not good enough; he’s not quite dominant enough. This field is ridiculously deep when someone 5th in the League in PER isn’t going to sniff the trophy as one of the League’s best two-way players.

Well, that’s it for this installment. The e-mail is johnkrolik@gmail.com. I’m sure you’ll all want to tell me how great of a job I did and how vehemently you agree with me.

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  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Big Man

    Tarzan Cooper
    Who is better on defense, Wade or Lebron? YOu can’t sh(it on Lebron’s defense and give Wade and his ole defense a pass.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    yea, dwade was the star of miami. timmy is one of the best ever, but greatest ever is a hard title to give somebody. bob pettit?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Big Man

    Honestly, I’m mostly going by hearsay on how awesome MJ was on defense early in his career. I wasn’t watching ball that closely the first ten years of my life, and that happened to coincide with MJ’s prime on defense. By the time I started really watching, Pippen was the one doing the heavy lifting on defense. MJ was still nice, but he wasn’t better than Pippen at that point.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    wade: 2.2 steals, 1.6 blocks
    james: 2.0 steals, 1.1 blocks
    by the numbers its dwade. wade is in the situation kobe and lebron have been in before where they have to really carry the teams offense, so dwade is playing great on ball d, but all other d is there from wade.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    wade isnt playing great on ball d

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Big Man

    So, you think Wade is a better total defender than Lebron right now?
    Not by the numbers, I just mean your honest opinion.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Jordan had recovered completely by the 1986–87 season, and had one of the most prolific scoring seasons in NBA history. He became the only player other than Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season, averaging a league high 37.1 points on 48.2% shooting.[8] In addition, Jordan demonstrated his defensive prowess, as he became the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Jordan led the league in scoring again in the 1987–88 season, averaging 35.0 ppg on 53.5% shooting[8] and won his first league MVP award. He was also named the Defensive Player of the Year—a rarity for a guard—as he had averaged 1.6 blocks and a league high 3.16 steals per game.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Its really not even close.

  • Jose

    if wade gets them 5-10 games above .500(at least) he may get it,but (unfortunately) lebron has it right now. WADE 4 MVP THO!!!!!

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    Jesus Christ, Tarzan is an idiot.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    by position yes. of course dwade cant guard the small forwards that lebron does

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    I think NBK is wrong 99% of the time when it comes to basketball, but he’s schooling Tarzan right now. This is downright ridiculous.

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    Also, Myles is correct, Jordan was a lot better defender (all-around) than Lebron. The statement was pretty dumb, unless it was meant to sort of give you the image of a guy who can both run offense AND defense, which is true in both Lebron and Jordan’s case.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    as much as lebron is dominating sf, dwade is dominating even more so at sg. its mostly because of lebrons size everyone(bandwagon know-nothings) says hes better

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    How did this debate turn into who is a better defender, Lebron or Wade? That’s totally besides the point.
    Lebron is a better overall player, and is playing defense well enough to 100% earn a birth at all NBA defensive second team, maybe good enough to get all-NBA first team.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Big Man

    Personally, I wouldn’t put Wade or Lebron on all-defense. I think Caron Butler is better than Lebron on defense and so is Artest. There are tons of small forwards who are better defenders than Lebron.
    Jukai
    I compared Wade to Lebron because Tarzan said Wade was better, and I assumed he was using Wade’s defense as proof of that.

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    Big Man: Tarzan is so undoubtably biased, why would you even try to draw logic on why he thinks Wade is better than Lebron?
    Also, considering the Wizards are the -worst- defensive team in the NBA, it’s pretty hard to make a case for Caron Butler. Artest probably is, but if he’s constantly injured or not playing the minutes, his impact he has on defense will suffer and he wont make the first team.
    I think it’s more probable Lebron makes second team. With the way he’s playing, he pretty much has to.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Big Man

    Then I don’t get the all-defense team. I always figured you made all defense if you were the best defender at your position. So the best defender at small forward is first team and the second best is second team. Apparently those are not the rules.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    big man, those havent been the rules for a while. the nba is always changing the rules for all the different awards. let me ask this, how is dwade not better than lebron, besides stature?

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    how am i biased? im not a miami fan at all

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    JUKAI! Where you been my jewish bretheren?

  • Harlem_World

    Eboy, OK, let me be clear…DWade is BACK in full effect this year, no question and there is no doubt he is in the conversation (more so than Kobe, for me at this stage Moose). I know that’s your guy, and I’m giving props where props are due. HOWEVER…watching Bron this year, at times it really does feel like we’re watching the varsity stud go against JV. The last time I felt like that was watching Mike. And NO, I’m the last person who will EVER say Bron or whomever is the next Mike etc, this is and will always be, only one MJ. What I’m saying is, we have a dominant player in the league today at a level I haven’t seen since Mike. Wade is on that ‘best of the rest’ level, but Bron has another gear he can go to that nobody else in the L can reach. Imho.

  • Harlem_World

    *this = there

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    B Long: I’ve been around, doing my thing.
    Tarzan: Better scorer, better rebounder, better court-vision (Wade can pass the ball better but doesn’t really see the floor as well as Lebron), better leader, more efficient when he scores. That’s a lot. Wade is a better defensive player, probably can get the ball to players better. That’s really it for Wade. If you watched any games, you’d know.
    Big Man: Not… REALLY… you know? It’s like, if you KNOW Marcus Camby is a better defensive player than Dwight Howard, but Camby only played 48 games and Howard played all 82, then hasn’t Howard done MORE defensively than Camby? Likewise, if Howard plays 40 minutes a game and Camby only 25, hasn’t Howard done mroe for defense than Camby?
    You see the points I’m making? Playing time, as well as the the impact you have on the game, holds a lot of impact. YEAH Artest is a better defensive player, obviously, but if he doesn’t actually play, he doesn’t get to use that defensive presence.

  • Harlem_World

    The other point about Bron is what I call the ‘Shaq’ rule. When Shaq was in his prime, he dominated because he was physically superior to all competition. Alot of people discredited him and his ability because they saw it as he had an ‘unfair’ advantage because of his superior physical gifts. That kind of thinking is so JV. When you’re talking about the best, there is no question that superior athleticism is going to factor heavily into the equation, because the game has evolved to be so heavily dependent on physical attributes at the elite level. Whether or not Shaq had the finesse game or footwork back then of a Hakeem (he didn’t) wasn’t really the issue – he didn’t need it as he was so physically dominant, and that should not be held against him. The same applies for Lebron. He has a high skill set regardless, but when you factor in his physical superiority, you’re going to struggle to make an argument for anyone else coming close to him as far as being the ‘best’ goes. His ‘upside’ isn’t even fathomable, based on what we’ve seen come through the league in the past. Wade is an incredible athlete, but he can’t match Lebron – which isn’t his fault. Genetics are a mofo, but it is what it is. Bron is that guy.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’m not even arguing the fact that some scout thinks that LBJ is playing MJ-level defense. He’s not, but he’s putting guys on lock at the end of games now and he deserves consideration for the all-defensive team. My point was only that MJ is a mere mortal and one does not need to get his knickers in a twist every time he’s being (how daring of me…) compared to a current player.

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    Russ needs something to whine about or he will explode.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    jukai, bron is a better scorer than dwade? have you watched any miami games this season?? they are probably the same as far as scoring, they can both drop 50 on any given night. bron has better rebound numbers mostly because of position. wade is a great rebounder for a guard, bron can hit the glass too. how is dwade a better passer but cant see the floor as well??? makes no sense. doesnt that indict bron by saying he has better vision but not as good a passer? again, no sense. they are clearly the two best players in todays nba. really, the only differences are size and shooting. bron is bigger and takes advantage of that, wade is a better shooter and takes advantage of that. that said, in 12 years, we will measure them by rings.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    If you think that Wade is as good or better than Bron then you don’t know much about NBA basketball. That is all.

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    Oh, and anyone who doesn’t think Lebron doesn’t deserve an all-defensive birth, I hope they watch Lebron’s ill block on Yao Ming. Pure amazingness.

  • http://slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Hey, look what I started.

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    Tarzan: I’m sorry, but you have to wake up kid. You really don’t get basketball. Lebron takes less shots, plays less minutes, shoots at a higher clip (from the field, the three, AND the free throw line. What?) and generally has a far greater range of game, moving FAR better without the ball this year than Wade is (Wade actually was having immense trouble at the beginning of the year playing off a point guard) and takes it to the lane easier, but mostly because of his physical attributes (which should not be ignored).
    Lebron’s physical attributes should ALWAYS be taken into consideration. Why ignore them? Are Archibald and Jabbar equal rebounders because Jabbar is bigger?
    Yes, Lebron is a worse passer but has better court vision. It figures you really don’t understand this. See, Wade is a better passer, when Wade SEES a person who is open, he can stop his play easier, contort is body better, and get them the ball much easier. That’s not to say Wade SEES the plays as well as Lebron. Lebron passes in all areas of his game, from creating passing lanes by dribbling in the paint, drawing and kicking out, pick and rolls with his bigs, and finding players at the rim. Wade really only FINDS players when he sees them as he’s scoring, sort of like Kobe. Once again, this is a pretty simple basketball comment, if you don’t get it, I can’t really help you.
    Wade is not a better shooter. The stats (the only evidence you have ever used) prove this, as well as the game.

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    I was also thinking about talking about how Lebron plays 1/2 the time off the ball and Wade always has the ball in his hand, making it easier for Wade to get his shots and his assists, but, you know, I already wrote enough so I don’t think I’ll mention that.
    Hi Ryan Jones!

  • Nbk

    Umm hey tarzan what happened to your ron artest-shane battier can hold lebron outta the key hypothesis? How bout LeBron shuts everyone he guards on the Rockets down, and goes for 27pt 9rbd 5asst 3stl & 1blk while his counterpart(s) battier mcgrady artest COMBINED for 21pts 8 reb 8 assts and 2 stls. HMMM seems like LeBron played better then 2 of the players that can “stop him” and tracy mcgrady. Oh yeah lebron played 38 minutes while the other three combined for 102. Hard to fight the facts

  • Nbk

    Merry Christmas hopefully santa gives you leaguepass

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    NBK, awesome stat man, love it.

  • ass

    JB you are just plain stupid.

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  • Dutch Rob

    Tarzan shouldn’t even post on this site

  • lukie

    B-Roy is legit. Def. a MVP in a few years.

  • jessdogg

    d-wade better then lebron? tarzan…do you watch nba basketball? if lebron was on miami heat in wades position he would average 37/8/9.
    maybe you should watch a game every now and again.

  • joesmoove

    How are Lebron and CP# on another level than DWade? DWade is having a better year than any of those guys sir. You should know that. Last night Lebron had 18pts (a crapfest as well) and his team still won, which proves they can win without him. DWade is most valuable to his team and the turn around since last year was not expected by you or any other pundit. That said, you take DWade off that team and they are a college team, Cook, Chalmers and Beasley should all be in college. What DWade is doing is off the chart and he is playing only one minute more than Lebron. He has more blocks and steals, is All NBA Defense and the best overall player in the league. Lebron is lacking the ball handling skills that DWade has, his crossover, both vertically and horizontally and his change of direction and step back have never been seen in this league before. That puts him above LBJ and KB24. Sorry guys, the truth may hurt but it is clear to see. You must clear all the smoke that Nike and Lebron keep chalking up to you guys, when all that crap settles, the answer is clear: DWade! …… and he has a ring. Of the last 3 Finals, we have been blessed as fans to see DWade in 06, Lebron in 07 and Kobe in 08. Now do I have to remind you who performed at levels unseen before in the finals? Or do I have to remind you who got swept or who got beaten to a pulp.

    Dwyane Wade, best overall player and MVP.

    Happy Holidays.

    J

  • joesmoove

    One last thing. All you Wade haters are on Lebron’s nutz. How can DWade have more steals and blocks than Lebron and NOT be a better defender?

    DWade has more blocks and he is a guard, 5 inches shorter than Lebron. The stats prove is guys, there is not need to argue or post ridiculous defenses for your ridiculous posts. Look. I am not here to make you like DWade. I like Lebron, he has been primed to be the best player and the mvp ever since he was in high school. ESPN and Nike are leading the pack in making sure Lebron is promoted as the best. The only problem here is that nobody expected the guy picked 5th in the draft that year to blow onto the scene like he did. Remember DWade’s rookie year? He put that team on his back and they made the playoffs (before Shaq) and Lebron was home watching. DWade crashed Lebrons party then, crashed it again when he destroyed the Mavericks in the Finals and got a ring & FInals MVP, crashed it in the Olympics and will continue to crash it this year and beyond.

    These are all facts, not fiction. Stay informed. They meet on Sunday and Tuesday, let’s see what happens.

  • Nbk

    joesmoove if you knew what you were talking about you would know that the step back dwayne wade does is fundamentally basic and his little change of direction trick is a carry (they don’t call it, but its nothing that makes him the best player in the world).

  • joesmoove

    NBK learn the game fool. Just ask OJ Mayo if it is basic, they are still wiping his sweat off the gym floor fool. DWade has the best ball handling skills in the world. Your man Lebron has NO handle, his feet point outward like a duck, all he does is clear the lane, back up, get a running start, takes 3 steps most of the time and dunks because at his size aint nobody jumping. He is a great dunker, but that is it. No rings, no things….

  • Nbk

    So for Lebron to b better then wade he has to win a title? Does that mean dennis rodman was better then karl Malone and Charles Barkley? If LeBron can’t handle the ball like wade how come lebron averages less turnovers every year and more assists

  • Nbk

    And since you hold defensive statistics in such high regard that should prove u don’t really pay attention to what you say compared to how you judge skill because if blocks and steals make you better at d then turnovers mean lebron is better at handling the ball. Hypocrit

  • joesmoove

    Wade handles the ball more so the propensity for turnovers is higher fool. Lebron has never averaged more assists that DWade guy, learn the game.

    You cannot compare Rodman to Barkley as far as overall skill but he has rings and Barkley does not. I love Barkley and Ewing but Rings are what they are mostly judged by. DWade played like no other has in getting his.

    I am not here to make you like DWade, I am here to let people know that he should be given the same credit LBJ and Kobe have been getting. His game is better than theirs right now.

    In the last 3 finals, each of them had a shot and look what the results were. Wade shined, Lebron got swept and Kobe got killed.

    You do the math. Bottom line is that the league belongs to DWade and Lebron now and for the foreseeable future. The fun is watching them.

    Peace

  • KBDWILL

    Bron!! End of story

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