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Wednesday, December 17th, 2008 at 8:48 am  |  255 responses

The Post Up: Steph Arrives, Again

TMac knows no pain and CP3′s steals streak lives!

by Holly MacKenzie

It’s Wed., Dec. 17. You know what that means? It means, I get to fly home today! Yes, yes, yes. Can’t even express how excited I am to see my friends and family. A group of five girls I went to high school with (including myself), are all home for the first time since high school graduation five years ago. How did I graduate five years ago? My goodness.

So, Steph sitting courtside (or maybe baseline, I’m not positive), at the Lakers/Knicks game last night. I didn’t think it would really happen, but if course, it did. And of course, he spoke with the media and of course, they showed him on TV way more than they needed to.

My favorite was how at ease he is with getting to sit and watch ball while getting paid. And when he referred to the team as “we”. That Steph, what a crazy character.

Those Knicks. What crazy characters. They took it to the Lakers and they were running things for the first half. Then we had a battle the rest of the way through, right down until the final seconds.

Who would have expected this? I certainly did not. Impressive, especially on the second night of a back-to-back.

Even more so when you realize they used seven players last night. SEVEN.

And, Nate Robinson. Say what you want about him, you can’t deny that guy is crazy when he wants to be.

I’m absolutely shocked at the Knicks. I’m enjoying them. A lot. They are building chemistry and are growing together, it’s nuts. That D’Antoni, no wonder Nash misses him.

Kobe also passed Clyde Drexler to become 21st on the NBA all-time scoring list last night.

Tracy McGradyLuckily for you guys, we’ve got some notes coming from that one. Can’t wait for those.

Okay, so Tracy McGrady with a triple-double. That was wonderful to see. Made me do a double-take, but also made me smile. Good for him.

I’m not writing about the Thunder/Clippers or the Blazers/Kings because I really didn’t see any of either game and that Blazers game was an entire blowout anyway.

The interview with Shaq and the guys in the NBATV studio was great. I like Shaq a lot when he’s being funny. He just sounds like so much fun to be around. His “slow-motion” free throw, the footage of his 18 year-old self smashing the backboard, it was the perfect ending to the night.

The New Orleans/Memphis game was also an enjoyable one. Of course, the Lakers/Knicks matchup was the game of the night (yes, I realize how weird that sounds), butI was thrilled to see Chris get those five steals and most importantly, tie the NBA record for consecutive games with a steal. He’s crazy. The great crazy.

The end of the Charlotte/Chi game was also a good one. It was really fun watching Augustin take over and make things happen, both at the end of regulation and overtime. I’m not sure about that foul they called to put him on the line where he hit the game-tying free throws, to send the game into overtime, though.

Before I end this here, my thoughts are with Gerald Wallace who has left the Bobcats, again due to death in the family. While he just returned from losing his grandmother, he has also suffered the loss of his father.

Charlotte 110 Chicago 101 OT

In the duel of the rookies, DJ Augustin got this one as he dropped 29 points on the Bulls in an overtime victory last night. At the end of the game, it was Augustin who came up huge for the Bobcats, selling the refs into believing that he was fouled behind the three-point line by Rose. After hitting all three free throws with 19 seconds remaining, the game went into overtime. In the extra session, the Bulls collapsed while the Bobcats pulled away thanks to Augustin who dropped in four consecutive free throws in the final minute of overtime. Emeka Okafor had 20 points and 13 rebounds for the Cats while Raymond Felton scored 20 points to go with 7 assists. Tyrus Thomas led Chicago with 22 points and 9 rebounds, Ben Gordon scored 25 points and Rose was held to only 6 on the night.

New Orleans 91 Memphis 84

In a game where Chris Paul had a chance to tie Alvin Robertson’s record of 105 consecutive games with a steal, not only did he grab one, he grabbed five as the New Orleans Hornets used a strong fourth quarter to defeat the Grizzlies, 91-84. While the game was intense, the intensity only helped the Hornets as it hindered the Grizzlies who were looking to continue their four-game winning streak, but came up short. Paul finished with 18 points, 9 assists and the 5 steals while David West also scored 18 and James Posey scored 15 off of the bench. Rudy Gay led the Grizzlies with 28 points as OJ Mayo scored 20 in the loss.

Houston 108 Denver 96

While the rest of the NBA world seems content to count out Tracy McGrady he came up huge for the Rockets with a triple-double to lead his team to victory over the surging Denver Nuggets, 108-96. While Yao Ming scored 32 in the game, it was Tracy’s show as he finished with 20 points, 14 boards and 10 assists on the night . Using a 13-2 run to start the game, the Rockets led by six points at the start of the fourth and the bench came up big with Ron Artest scoring 20 points and Aaron Brooks adding 18 as the starters were able to enjoy the victory and most of the fourth from the bench. Carmelo Anthony scored 22 points for the Nuggets while JR Smith added 17 and Linas Kleiza had 13.

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  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    The New York Crazy Characters has a ring to it.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    OJ consistent again, Rose gets put in storage. I will continue the Orange Juice Mayonnaise bandwagon

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    by the way, I KNOW this is going to sound fruity, but Starbury looks stylish and fresh on the front page picture for this feature. nohomo. Okay, forgot to add that Holly, GREAT piece as usual. I will also take this moment to admit I was wrong about Augustin (I thought he was bust’ville

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    The new site still has some glitches. At least, on my IE6 browser at work.
    I was watching the Chi/Cha game last night and I was surprised that D. Rose didn’t adjust to Emeka. He got his sh– sent back like 3-4 times on dribble drives. You have to take it HARD to a shotblocker, not try to flip it up.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Z, glitches are to be expected…hang with us and we’ll make it right.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Great Post Up Holly. Nasty Nate is a beast, for sure. I really hate the way the Lakers are playing right now…never thought I ‘d say that when they were 21-3.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    My boy Arek Kissoyan, the biggest Lakers fan ever. EVER. that I have EVER met, was so angry with the lakers that he unabashedly had a 30 second span of dissing their play against the knicks. To repent that action, he spent the next 10 minutes dissing LeBron. He felt better.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    By the way, this site change seems good but damn it’s gonna take some getting used to. What’s good, Ben?

  • riggs

    thats why you need to use firefox Z, unless your job prohibits downloading. the new site looks fresh and came at a great time, anyway that knicks/lakes game was a nailbiter cause i really wanted the knicks to win for a few reasons, one of them being trumping the lakers

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    The site is so white at that moment, it’s blinding. Also, the Lakers are really making it hard to take them and their good record serious. Seriously.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Z: Internet Explorer? Seriously? That sh*t still exists? I’m on Safari right now, and I feel like a dinosaur… c’mon, homie.

  • Plasticman

    I too can’t stand the way my Lakers are playing, but I am heartened by their record! Hopefully they’ll get it together. I’m also enjoying the way the
    Knicks are playing. Everyone loves an underdog! Though glad they lost last night

  • Jamie

    why does the headline say CP3′s steal strike dies?? he tied the record right?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Damn, I feel for Gerald Wallace. It is hard enough losing a grandparent, but then your father a week later? My prayers are out to him and his family.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I guess I’m the only one who’d be scared of a 21-3 team who haven’t even reached their peak yet.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    “Gary…take off that white suit man.”

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Myles, cosign on that.

  • Myung

    I’m looking forward to seeing the Hawks do to the Celtics what we did to the Cavs this past Saturday night.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    riggs, I switch b/n Chrome and Firefox at home but the IT guys don’t play at work. They want you to use the cpu AS IT IS. Licences, security, legal stuff, bla bla bla.

  • Myung

    Back in the days (or yesterday, even), the non-orange among us were just black. Now the font accompanying our names is smaller too. Time to go orange (or blue, I guess)?

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    firefox, or maybe maxthon is way better than IE.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Oh yeah, there is no way he’ll get it, but DJ has been playing his way into the ROY race the last two weeks. Did Obama change Larry Brown too?

  • ber

    Google Chrome > Firefox. I like the new look.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Myles needs to not be in fear so much.

  • WhaHuh

    Emeka brutalised Rose with those blocks

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    What was I thinking. Theyre still making some of the same mistakes and theyre still only the second best team in the league. Its just so frustrating. They’ll never figure it out. GO TIMBERWOLVES!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I think your L-Wolves love is more sincere, btw.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Painful. You meant to say painful.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    “Loooooove,Love will tear us apart…again.”

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    It looks and navigates better on my sidekick than the last one. The knicks are making me really believe they can be competitive which is surprising. Nate for sixth man!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    LOL, well, that may be true, but you are fighting the good fight for those young cats. They need the support, no matter how pained it may be.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Vintage tmac, a couple of vintage post ups its feeling like the nba is in full swing. Good victory for the bobcats last night too, but if Juwan Howard is your starting power forward and 2008 and 1998 you have problems

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    For all the love derrick Rose has been getting (most of it deserved) last night was the second time this season he was badly outplyed by an oppsoing rookie PG. DJ Augustin lit the Bulls up for 29 and 7 and a Georhe hill had 20 pts and 9 boards against the Bulls about a month ago. Now, I realize that the Bulls as a whole are pretty poor defensively, so I’m not laying all that on Rose. But, Rose didnt really do anything to go back at either DJ or George Hill in those two games…

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I’m very excited about tonight’s games, could be the highlight of the “nationally televised season” so far. I, sadly, do not have league pass.

  • Randy Brown

    How did CP3′s steal streak die if he broke the record?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    “We some winners b!tch a$$e$” Betcats commenting on last nights win.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    Juwan Howard can still play. Yall will see, or if your blind you will learn

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    But now that i think about it, Howard wont start for us. Wallace is deactivated right now because his Grandmother died THEN his fater died. Dude cannot play right now. When Wallace returns, all will be good.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Yo, this site is incredibly white now. It really is hard to read at work.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Allenp…..Nah. Too easy.

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  • http://www.ngunioamosotho.com Nguni

    love the new site. loved the post up. love slam. love love. there’s love all around. dare i say, no h*mo. Betcats is funny commenting on a comment. is that right?

  • musicrebel

    Headline says “CP3′s steal strike dies”, but he had five steals in the game.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Allenp is now gonna launch a full-blown protest against Slamonline (kidding of course)

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Random thoughts from last night’s bulls/betcats game :
    1) Augustin is legit, my apologies Ryne
    2) Rose’s D is more shaky than I thought, he had trouble staying in front of DJ
    3) I feel for Russ, players like Ty Thomas make fans go crazy. In the 1st half he froze Emeka at the elbow with a right to left cross then drove to his left to hit a scoop shot on the right side of the rim. It was just so fluid you would have thought that he was a 2 guard. WHAT IS PREVENTING HIM FROM DOING THOSE THINGS NIGHT IN AND NIGHT OUT !?!!?!?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I was hoping y’all would go there. Good to see people are staying sharp.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    That was for Myles and TADONE.
    Tyrus Thomas is crazy. That’s why he can’t be consistent every night. He’s mentally unstable.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I was going to test those waters too, Allen, but I couldn’t find my way out of this backround blizzard to do it

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *background

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    So what are the regulars around predicting for tonight’s big matchups (ATL v BOS and SAS v NO)?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I think Tyrus actually is crazy. I may be off base here, but I don’t think that team has a lot of comraderie. In OT last night, Tyrus made a nice move and got to the line, then the camera panned to the Bulls bench. There was absolutely nobody standing or even looking remotely interested in what was happening on the floor. It was a 2 point game with under 2 minutes laeft in OT, and from their body language you would’ve thought it was a 20+ point blowout…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I need sunglasses. My damn pupils are dialating out of my damn head!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Funny thing is, Ryne stole the white background idea from the SKO site. BITER!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Tmac was one assist short of a triple double in the last game….unfortunately, i feel like this is just in response to critics saying he’s done/faking and he’ll come back to earth soon…on the other hand, rafer was out and they still got a solid win against a good team…who are the 6th man frontrunners?.. Brooks deserves some votes..

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    as for the new site, one question/suggestion…why dooes the space for the links at the bottom of the home page have to be that big? I think that area could be minimized greatly so the rest of the page won’t be so jam-packed, its too much space for just links.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    D.J. is officially a member of the fly society. Felton needs to back those bags and get ready for a trip.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Augustin was really impressive last night, the he is better then Rondo thing is still a little bit nutty but he is much better then people think he is

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    D.J. and Paul give little people like myself a dream. my has crashed and burned but other little guys should have hope.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    as long as they can jump and run (like freak athletes)

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    ATL Shawty :)

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Tyrus Thomas is maddening. I still have hope, though.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    I still have hope for Larry hughes. where are the old wizards days?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    His body as filled out too. He’s a legit 4 now. He has a little J going on… The elements are there. His basketball IQ is still very low, though. I put in the same category as JR. Oh and Noah sucks, he’s a very poor man’s Varejao.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Larry Hughes has lost his love for the game of basketball, it’s evident. I should diss him but the situation with his brother was so tough that I won’t go there. His last playoff run with Cleveland was very telling, he just did not care.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Tyrus will probably end up turning into an All-Star…three teams down the road.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Larry Hughes is playing good basketball right now, he is shooting the highest % he ever has. Is still playing decent defense and he is not trying to take any attention away from D-Rose, stop hatin on Larry Hughes, the problem is he was made out to be way better then he actually was so expectations grew too high

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    I just hate Larry’s flat jumper (which when it misses, IT MISSES) and his propensity to take threes even when his twos aren’t falling. They need a better long-term answer, and I wish Vinny would just play Thabo.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    plane hater.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Chicago has too many guys on its roster that think they should be starting: Rose, BG, Kirk, Hughes, Thabo, Luol, Noc’, Ty Thomas, Jo Noah, Drew Gooden. Part of the blame has to go to the coaching staff because all of those guys have started at a certain point (+ Gray!). The rotations are not set, you can’t win in the L if you don’t have a rotation. Guys have too to be able to ballpark the amount of burn they’ll get night in and night out.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Noah is awful. Tyrus is a poor man’s stromile swift. Larry is just sensitive I think. I believe he’s offended to be coming off the bench he thinks he’s better than that, whether he is or not at this point is debatable but I understand how he feels. He’s one of those playerslike Marion (not in skillset) in that he needs to play in a system tailored to his needs in order for him to have success.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    First off Z If a player is in the NBA and does not want to start then they should not be playing at all. The rotation thing is spot on though, Vinny D needs to put some consistency in his lineup, and to Bryan if you think Tyrus Thomas is a poor man’s Stromile Swift you have either never seen Stromile Swift play, or Tyrus Thomas play or your one of those people that group guys that jump high together just because they jump high. Although both players are a disappointment they play nothing alike. Tyrus Thomas is a high enery guy who loves to attack the rim and shoot jumpers and Stromile is a big man that is happy dunking and collecting money thats it. And your comment that Larry Hughes needs a system like marion is off base way off base Marion has a limited skill set, hughes is pretty much solid at everything (he just is not as good as espn and other nba analysts have made him out to be)

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    The stro reference was more because they’re both disapointments from the same school who play the same position. I disagree about Larry Hughes he has limits as a shooter and in the half court same as marion. I will say that he’s a much better slasher than Marion but I stand by the comparison especially since I even prefaced it by saying I wasn’t comparing their skillsets just their effectiveness in ball control systems as opposed to free flowing ones.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    well sorry bryan but what you just said proved you dont know what your talking about. Shawn Marion might be one of the best slashers in the entire NBA heads and tails better then Larry Hughes. And the shooting thing you keep bringing up- larry hughes is shooting 42% from the field and 43% from 3 while scoring 12 ppg in 26 min. He is averaging 1 steal, 1 assit, and 3 rebounds in those 26 minutes. He is actually having one of the most productive seasons of his career per minute and is also shooting better then he ever has.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Marion has limits as a shooter because he cannot shoot, and he can’t get his shot off if there is someone within 5 feet of him. Hughes is shooting smart shots and playing within himself in a ball control system.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    there was a miscommunication on the headline, so, so sorry about that! You know I don’t want to take ANY shine away from Chris and his ridiculous achievement. I’ll see about getting that changed!

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    If marion was such a good slasher he could create offense for himself which he cannot and Larry Hughes can… he’s taking good shots this year so his percentages are up but 42% shooting isn’t exactly great. And this is the first year he’s cracked 40% on threes but I guess his shooting prowess was just hiding all these years.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Larry has been called a lot of things but I had never heard ‘limited’ yet. If anything, he’s kind of a do-it-all tweener who does everything right but nothing great. And he hates playing the point.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Cosign Z and Bryan you my friend don’t even know what slasher means do you? A slasher does not create offense for themselves they are the guys catching the passes from the creater. Larry Hughes shot has gotten better because he is taking smarter shots and as he said thats all he worked on in the offseason. But the fact that you don’t know what a slasher is says a lot

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    A slasher cuts (slashes) to the basket looking for a pass, hence the term slasher

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Thats how marion got and gets virtually all of his 2 point buckets his whole career

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    NBK: Dude, you get upset if someone comes at you and says that you don’t know what you are talking about, but yet you do the exact same damn thing! Debate is one thing, but don’t belittle others and say that they don’t know what they are talking about. Opinions are meant to be different; hence, they are opinions. I can personally vouch for Bryan and Z becuase I have read much of what they comment on and they know the game pretty thoroughly. Step back and check the “you don’t know what you are talking about” comments at the door. Thanks.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Sorry to hurt your feelings Tad he does know what he is talking about, i am not talking trash or trying to belittle him, me saying he does not know what he is talking about when he does not know what he is talking about is different then abreviating someones name to make fun of them. I did not make fun of him at all i simply stated he did not know what he was talking about because he doesn’t. you know what a slasher is it is not subjective, and i did not say anything to z except i cosigned what he said about larry hughes not being limited. Obviously you don’t like me though seeing as how every single day people on this site try and back up their arguments with NBK=No basketball Knowledge
    or net ball king or other stupid unrelated crap. So sorry if i hurt your feelings for saying your boy doesnt know what he is talking about, but he doesnt

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    But you dont say anything to those people why is that? Because they normally agree with you, or because they are regulars on this site? The day i actually insult someone then you can say that but what i said was not an insult just a statement of fact

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Not hurting my feelings my man.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    “Boom” goes the nine. Right on TAD. NBK is getting too big for his britches.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Exactly what Ciolkstar just said is exactly my point, how am i getting to big for my britches?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Yes, because they have been around for a minute I can vouch for them. I can also say that Bryan aka Shia hardly ever agrees with me and hates my team (well, not as much anymore since AI joined the fold). I have no problem at all with people disagreeing with me; hell, I expect it. No big deal. It just seems to me that you disagree with everyone and call them or their ideas dumb or stupid. I have no issue with you, just some of the comments I see is all. But if you are really Jukai’s evil cousin, then I understand. Ok, rant is done.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    I do not disagree with everyone, i speak my mind, i say what i say to all my friends here, to everyone i talk basketball with, i have no problem with anyone on this site personally, and frankly i love it when people disagree, i do however have a problem with people that argue just for the sake of arguing and i also do not like it when people consistently defend their positions even after they have been proven wrong over and over again. I have no problem admitting when i make mistakes just like i have no problem telling people when they don’t know what their talking about. I never insult a person or make fun of them, where i come from being told you don’t know what your talking about is an educational tool to let you know that what you think you know is wrong. I have never had someone tell me i don’t know what i am talking about on this site, i have only had people call me stupid, or brain dead or something related without any real evidence as to why i am wrong or why they are saying that.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    No relation to jukai in any way i think i argue with him more than anyone

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Nbk=nice boy king?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Fair enough. However, if you was to tell me that I don’t know what i’m talking about, then i’m taking my ball and going home. Ok, carry on.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    TAD=Totally Anglo Dude?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Now E, that is just bad timing. Or perfect. I can’t tell.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    TAD does not know what he’s talking about…..ever.

    Leave the ball……take the canollis.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Go with perfect…. it’s how I do things.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    This white background is making slightly schizo.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Shia=Should Have Inched Aside?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    i have had a headache since i started commenting make it the background brown like the hardwood

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’ve come to grips with it….I feel like the Joker…..looking for Mr. goodbar….not really using the piss pot……could you tell that I ran home….not really, she’s got a bone….I followed you to your stairs….when i got there, know what was there?

  • Kieran

    Net Ball King is pretty funny to be fair (no offense dude!) Larry is a solid player i think expectations rose after his playoff series with the Wizards and then teaming with Lebron he got a bit over hyped.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yeah, it’s definitley the white.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Wow, I sense hot fire in the comments today from NBK. DANGER WILL ROBINSON, HE’S GETTING TO BIG FOR HIS BRITCHES! Also NBK, a slasher isn’t just somebody who catches passes off the cut, it’s also a player who drives in off the kick, someone who does a quick move and blows by his defender off the wing… I wouldn’t dare say Marion makes the best shot selection, but neither does Larry Hughes, and I’m not hating for him. I say more power to you for speaking your mind and saying that you disagree and some people dont know wtf they are talking about (Even though I Disagree on you thinking Bryan and Z don’t know), but methinks your points need more articulation of reasoning. I can vouch for myself in regards to hoops and if I gotta face criticism so be it. My swag is phenomenal

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    oh i wasnt saying its not funny, i was just saying their insults that have nothing to do with anything. But yeah some of the ish some people say is funny nothing really hurts my feelings i just think its stupid to insult someone to back up why you think lebron is overrated ya dig

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh, Justin, you’re always bragging.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Justin- I believe someone who makes a quick move and blows by his defender is more of a playmaker, a slasher must be slashing and you can’t slash with the ball,

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Eboy, are we up for another debate? I loved our Wade debate. and I’m not bragging, I’m saying I got self confidence. You have to when responding to rough love comments. Recently Betcatz dissed my entire home state and it’s basketball prowess (The HS scene specifically). He even Said F texas. A man’s gotta keep his swagger Eboy! haha How you doing E?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    There is an OJ joke in there somewhere.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    and for the last time i never said z doesnt know what he is talking about. Cosign means you agree with them

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Can we all agree that Sean May wouldn’t be considered a slasher?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Can you have swag in Texas? Isn’t that an oxymoron?

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Nbk, fair enough but I fully and wholeheartedly doubt basketball analysts would label forwards slashers when half of the time the slasher they just gave the moniker can’t move without the ball. I just fundamentally think slasher is more than cutting to the hoop. But now that I know your mindset, I respect it. I also think LeBron is overrated in this league. I’ll expound upon it if you’d like haha

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Actually, Justin, I wouldn’t mind a good debate, but this whole “slasher” controversy is kind of weak. I need something terse and fulfilling like….how will the overrated Lebron James manage an MVP trophy and a DPOY award and a possible Finals berth all in one season?

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Eboy, he’s a slasher of butter on white bread, he slashes the stick into small squares, spreads it on the wonderbread, then laces the concoction with some salami and provolone cheese. Sean May: Slasher of fine butter.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    You will have a sh*tstorm rained down upon you if a certain Mr. Jones see your comment, Justin. That would be entertaining.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Tad do you live in like an american community in Saudi?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I feel like Tom Cruise in Vanilla Sky. Seriously, this white screen makes me feel like i’m in a psych ward or something.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Is Saudi a state of mind? If it is, then yes.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    @Eboy & Justin- Ya’ll think LeBron is overrated for real? and if he does win mvp, dpoy, and gets a title i would like you all to know i called all of it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Oh, and that Kanye lyric for his #1 fan Eboy. You’re welcome.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Do your thing TADye.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    i read your blog thought thats what it says

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Eboy, I’d love to debate you on that, but since you said LeBron is overrated, you agree with my viewpoint. LeBRICK James will get the MVP because it’s just his year, He IS top 3 in the league, just not the best. Everyone jumping on Kobe, HIS STATS ARENT HIGHER YADDA YADDA. F**k that noise, Kobe has an effing loaded roster, he doesn’t NEED to drop the numbers LBJ HAS TO DROP in order to get the win. The Cavs roster is not all that talented, therefore the environment forces him to produce more. If Kobe’s team had that talent, he’d have similar numbers, but with higher shooting percentages from deep, FT, and more points. LBJ will NOT win DPOY trophy because he still can’t hang with the backcourt best due to lack of lateral quickness with one on one defense. Kobe can sit down with the latest and greatest whenever he sets out to do it. Idk if he can go past the Celtics, that squad is his kryptonite, they made him shoot too many threes and he got screwed in doing so, and I think everyone will agree his 3PT shot and FT is worse than last season. Or are we still riding LBJ’s nuts to the bank?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    not an american community but saudi, i have boys from my high school that lived in an american community there their whole lives

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Nickel Bag Killer,

    I was actually being sarcastic….my man Justin has obviously lost it due to the whiteout we are experiencing.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    See, his long comment proves it….gone.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Justin, if your Kobe fan club membership is up for renewal, we can all chip in for a Christmas gift for you. :)

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    NBK, he won’t win DPOY until he can guard one on one perimeter possessions and have better backside help off of skip passes. That’s what it took for MJ to win it, that’s what it will take for LBJ to win it. I don’t care if he wins the MVP, the MVP is such BS these days, what with Nash winning twice, and who doesnt see now that it was the system making him better, D’antoni leaves, the new system rolls in and he’s no longer Nash. D’antoni’s system just makes the offense better, and the PG looks great, look at Chris Duhon, homeboy was trash for the buckets in Chi town, now he’s averaging 8+ assists a GAME? That’s the system broskie

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    @Justin- Kobe Bryant did play on a team that was less talented like lebrons is now, it was some 2 years ago, and your right he put up better numbers from deep and scored more points but he did not win as many games as lebron does. And winning is the only thing that matters

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Justin, if your Kobe fan club membership is up for renewal, we can all chip in for a Christm*s present for you.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Eboy, I happen to like the whiteout, in fact I’m addicted to it like renton from trainspotting.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Um…what?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    @Justin read my blog i said the same thing about nash- but lebron if you have watched his games this season is guarding the best player on the other team every game, (unless its a point or big), he has his team playing the best defense in the league (remember what kg did last year) and lebron is averaging a block and 2 stls if i’m not mistaken. He is the frontrunner for DPOY right now, or second depending on how voting goes because dwight is doing what a typical dpoy does.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    This must be what it’s like in the mind of Stephon Marbury from day to day.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    NBK: The one and only Tariq al Hayder is Mr. Saudi thru and thru. He is our secretary.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    @NBK, hate to break it to you, but the team you are talking about, the non talented 05-06 team was one of the worst teams in the league top to bottom besides Kobe, nobody had real knowledge of the triangle offense but Kobe, Odom and Devean George (it’s a well known fact that the triangle offense takes 3 years to really know wtf is going on in a game), plus when effing Smush Parker is your third best player on the entire floor, something is wrong. He didn’t win as many games as LBJ is now because LBJ has a better roster than Kobe’s 05-06 rosters, one of the worst laker rosters I’ve ever seen. It’s just that KOBE has such a GREAT roster that LBJ’s is weaker by comparison.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Justin has guzzled the Kool Aid and is now preparing for the coming of Tan.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    See, I didn’t even know Nine Buster Kid had a blog. Seriously, my eyes are bleeding.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Eboy, my fan club membership is up for renewal. And while you’re picking up my membership at the store, be sure to take two pennys from the take a penny leave a penny cup. Because yall need some two-cents of knowledge. I will drop it here…ready? LBJ to the Nets in 2010

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    and lebron is only the third guy to go for 30 7 7 for a season maybes its 8 8 i dont remember. Kobe has never done that, and the year cleveland went to the finals, other then lebron that team was a lottery team, if thats not raising the level of play of the guys around you i don’t know what is. LeBron does everything you can ask from a star player except shoot from deep except he shoots some 80 points per 48 minutes in the clutch. Thats not an exaggeration

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I miss orange text names.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I’m not gonna get into an arguement on here but no one can make me feel like I don’t know what I’m talking about, a slasher to me is someone who not only cuts (everyone is supposed to cut and move when they don’t have the ball) but also someone who can attack and SLASH through a defense and put it on its heels Hughes IN MY OPINION does that much better than Marion does. Larry Hughes for the first 9 years of his career has been a mediocre shooter and now this year he is shooting better but I’m not ready to call him Ray Allen. Good looking out tad while was I away from the sk. Ask anyone who knows me if I give a crap that you think I don’t know what I’m talking about nbk, I’ve been watching and playing ball my whole life I call it how I see it. My basic assessment is Larry Hughes is better in a motion style loose offense where he is able to attack defenses from the wing, Marion is also strong in a free flowing move without the ball offense, if you disagree with that well great I couldn’t care any less.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I have come to the conclusion that Lebron will be playing basketball somewhere in a warm weather climate as the 2010-2011 season opens. Take your pick……if you dare!

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    and to you justin lebron will never ever ever ever ever sign with the nets, they have one of the lowest attendances in the nba and are not moving to brooklyin to 2012 at the earliest. The market in jersey is not big enough for LBJ

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    If I have to stare at this godawful snowstorm on my computer screen, can we talk about the new Starbucks flavors or why Walmart is racist?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Shia=Somehow Hamburgers Invaded Alaska?

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    What up eboy been around a lot today.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I just had a Vitamin Water Iced Tea…..I never saw that flavor before.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I hope I can shoot straight at my game tonight…yeesh.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Hello, S.uper H.ard I.nvading A.nimal

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Bryan what is your definition of slash using my caps lock method didn’t illustrate what you meant

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Maybe Ron Ron has a snow white screen saver too.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And Chris Anderson.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Justin, that was not very convincing. Try harder. You’re basically saying that you think that Kobe is a better basketball player than LeBron. Okay, that argument can be made. So why is he overrated, again? And you said he was top 3… who else could be in front of him?!

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    NBK did you seriously just use one of those bunk a** Bill Walton, IF HE PLAYED LIKE HE DOES IN THE CLUTCH EVERY 40 MINUTES HE’D AVERAGE 24143569 POINTS PER GAME, stats? If you did I can’t talk to you anymore today.

    Things LBJ can’t do: Guard the perimeter against a high caliber player. Shoot a 3 consistently to save his life. Shoot anything midrange longer than 15 feet to save his life. Shoot a free throw worth a damn. And I don’t actually care about LBJ’s 30 7 7 season. Know why? 81 points. Okay, I win. And anyways, I’ll bring up MICHAEL JORDAN’s 3rd season in the league (and only his second full season due to second season injury. Stats: PPG 37.1 BPG 1.52 SPG 2.88 APG: 4.6 RPG 5.2 FT: 85% FG%: 48%. He got that many blocks and steals per game, when he was STILL SKINNY, playing in the most loaded era of HOF talent. He scored that many points per game, which is EFFING RIDICULOUS. That is one of the most solid NBA seasons for anyone ever and no LBJ season can hold a candle to it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    LeBron totally bites his fingernails in an unorthodox way. He will be nothing more than a very average nailbiter. Mark my words.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    You’re a f*cking idiot how’s that for a definition.I’m glad to see you here since you’re obviously dr james naismith in disguise and the best scout of talent and ability in world history. Thanks for stopping by.

  • http://www.xtremecouture.ca LeeVan

    Holly- You graduated high school in ’03?…You DEFINITELY need to look me up at an upcoming Raptors game(I bartend on the Mezzanine) ;) .
    As a lifetime(of the organiztion) Raptors fan, I love the Alvin Robertson reference.
    Also, D.J. Augustine is a great, if inconsitent, plug-in fantasy player.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Justin: Kobe has never done a commercial with Nicole Scherzinger. BITE IT!

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Z, LBJ is number 2, Wade number 3. I admit, I am not giving too many points for LBJ being overrated, but here are the glaring ones: People who say LBJ is the most complete NBA player in the league are ridiculous. ESPN overhyping him to the hes going to be better than jordan levels are a reason. His inability to shoot a jumpshot is a reason

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    LMAO @ Shia.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Haha, Bryan I sense you are a huge LBJ fan and thats why I’m a f*cking idiot. I don’t think LBJ is bad, In fact I think he’s great. But he hasn’t passed Kobe to me. I openly take criticism on this point, but it’s my honest opinion. Kobe is the best overall player in the game of basketball and you have to convince me that there is a player that is better than him in the majority of all areas of basketball to pass him in my eyes. Simple as that. It’s not asking much. The best player in the league should be the best player in most respects.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Actually my stat about the clutch illustrates that lebron does not need to shoot threes to win games. And it is a real stat not an exaggeration like Bill Walton go to 82games.com if you need proof. your 81 point game that you think merits a victory came against the worst team in the league the same seaon lebron went to the FINALS. Kobe didn’t make it out of the first round that year, and michaels third season is the league has nothing to do with anything we are talking about but since you brought it up you can put that season next to the one lebron is having right now and take into consideration that they are the same age, and lebrons team has what 4 losses while mj was just then starting to think about what it would be like to win a series.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    and Bryan, I don’t think I’m the best scout ever or James Naismith. I just have a strong LBJ opinion, and decided today was a good day for a debate! :) A nice heated one. Eh Eboy?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    That Lee Van dude really shouldn’t be looking for woman on websites should he? Don’t bartenders of any kind get the best pu*sy? That’s like the second time I’ve seen dude trying to run game at our girl. Sorry Holly.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I saw that too E. If anything, dude is ambitious.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yeah, I give him props for that.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Nbk, I dont care if it’s a stat at 82games.com, PER is a real stat at ESPN, but I still think it’s useless. LeBron got to the finals, then the WESTERN CONFERENCE CHAMP SPURS MOPPED THE FLOOR WITH HIM. The west was INARGUABLY much much much much better top to bottom than the east, and to have a horrible lakers roster play the suns with steve nash, amare, marion, diaw, barbosa…How is that supposed to go Kobe’s way. I’m sorry, I’m just a guy that thinks that the best NBA player is the best INDIVIDUAL player, and if that makes me wrong so be it. I keep my opinion.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    and justin as you said you need convincing that someone is better then kobe in more areas of basketball, how does this sound, lebron is better at rebounding and passing, he is a better playmaker with the ball, kobe is better at shooting, and perimeter defense. LeBron can guard more positions and is better in the fast break. Oh and Lebron is shoots 80% from ft harly piss poor

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Justin, let’s make this simple…..

    Please list, in no particular order…10 basketball-related-only reasons why you feel Lebronson is overrated.

    Shouldn’t be too hard…should it?

    You don’t even need to expound….just outline where he qualifies as overrated.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    OJ Mayo is better than both of those bums.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Things LBJ can’t do: Guard the perimeter against a high caliber player. That’s actually not true, watch the games.
    Shoot a 3 consistently to save his life. MJ couldn’t. Kobe can’t. Wade can’t. So what?
    Shoot anything midrange longer than 15 feet to save his life. That’s not true, watch the games.
    Shoot a free throw worth a damn. That’s true, but he’s just below 80- this year so there’s no reason to think that he won’t be a 85% shooter in the upcoming years.
    And I don’t actually care about LBJ’s 30 7 7 season. Know why? 81 points. Okay, I win. That’s just silly.
    And anyways, I’ll bring up MICHAEL JORDAN’s 3rd season in the league. So you’re saying MJ is better than LeBron? No sh–.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I guess what I’m trying to say is : why the hate? Did he steal your gf or something?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    and in that year lebron beat the pistons in the ecf which was arguably a better team then phx. And what kobe does individually is not as valuable on a basketball court as what lebron does for his team. LeBron has never played a game with another all star on his team outside of the all star game (which he has 2 mvps in to kobes 1). If you don’t think lebron is the best player fine thats your opinion but lebron gives teams a better chance to win and to me if you are better at winning your better at the sport.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I don’t like LeBron because he plays for the Cleveland Cavs. I keep’s it simple.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Marion can’t dribble, how can he be a slasher? Ginobli is a slasher. Corey Maggette is a slasher. Larry Hughes would be a slasher if he stopped settling for jumpshots. But, Marion isn’t a really a slasher. He’s a four trapped in a three’s body.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Z. fair enough, I’ve been caught bringing the MJ card into a LBJ debate. Here’s the most telling reason of why Lebron is overrated (but still great.) This season alone, his shooting percentage from certain areas on the floor sucks and he only has very good percentages from to places on the floor. Go to http://www.nba.com/hotspots/ then choose team Cavaliers in the drop box, then in the next choose Lebron James, then 2008-2009 regular season in the dropbox below that, then for the split below that choose season. look at the percentages. you want a stat, there’s your stat.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    and just to let you know justin-kobe bryant is my favorite player in the league, but that doesn’t mean i am blind to winning. And if you put lebron on the lakers last year you can bet they would have had a better chance then they did with kobe. And my proof of that is that cleveland took boston to 7 with only lebron as their star player while the lakers have 2 all stars and lamar odom

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    plus phil jackson

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Allenp, FTW.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Z, i dont hate, I merely don’t think hes number one in the league. I am overlycritical on LeBron because I’m Kobe loyal. I’ve admitted it since day one. I’ve said time and again, I will take any criticism for it. I just don’t think LeBron is a better player. I don’t hate the guy, I even said he is number 2 in the entire NBA talentwise. How is that hating? When you ask me all the reasons he’s overrated, I have to list all the negatives, so of course it’s going to look like I despise him

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Nbk, although I agree with your reasoning… the last argument is kinda weak. Does that mean that Joe Johnson is better than Kobe too because he took the Celts to 7 games with a weaker squad? That’s why I’m not a huge fan of the hypothetical scenarios to compare players.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    NBK, when my comment with the link of why I feel LeBron is overrated is done being approved, go to it and that’s why I prefer Kobe. I’m not saying LeBron isn’t more valuable to his team, because he IS. I’m just saying I think that Kobe is a bigger scoring threat and a better overall defender. And I like Kobe more, and I think he’s better than LBJ. Period. Love is blind, and I love his game.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Overrated is the wrong word.
    Overrated implies that the people who think Lebron is better than Kobe are blind to the facts and illogical.
    That’s not the case. An argument can be made that Lebron is better, it’s all about what you prefer in a player. So, Lebron isn’t overrated. He’s perfectly rated in my opinion. Everybody knows his failings and everybody still understands exactly how amazing he is. Now, some folks think Kobe is more amazing, and that’s a valid opinion, but it doesn’t make Lebron less amazing or overrated.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Kobe fanboys trying to cling to his #1 status are really funny

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    If being #2 is overrated, than I clearly had the wrong definition.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    When I say overrated, I mean IN MY OPINION Kobe is better than Lebron, so to me people saying Lebron are better are OVER rating him. It’s just my opinion Allenp, just like your opinion is yours. This is just one of those instances where I knowingly have a love is blind opinion on Kobe’s game.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    My comment had nothing to do with Lebron I hate to say I agree with you on anything but I also like Kobe better. Agreeing with you makes me want to vomit though.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Colorado loves them some KB.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Don’t do it on the sidekick!

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Bryan really hates my opinions :) Oh well, you’ll find the only extreme opinion I have is in the LBJ-Kobe debate. Every other opinion I have is rational :)

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    And by the way, Being a slasher does not only mean cutting without the ball. That would make David Lee an elite “slasher”.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Z-I see your point but I was trying to illustrate that LeBron is a better winner then kobe and that was the only way to compare it to make sense. My point does have wholes as you pointed out, obviously this Justin guy is never going to change his view, it took me months and months to come to the conclusion that LeBron is better then Kobe, although LeBrons game is not nearly as polished as kobes to me it is obvious now who is better (whats the difference between better and more valuable justin?)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    OJ is an elite slasher, the rest is just child’s play.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Kevin Garnett was more valuable to the Timberwolves than a Kobe was to the Shaq led Lakers, but that didn’t make him better than Kobe. Most valuable depends on the parts around you as well as the player. Hell, Nash was voted the most valuable player in the league twice and nobody in their right mind believes he was the best player in the league those two years.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    But he was the best soccer player.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Difference to me between better and more valuable? In my opinion you can be better than another player but not as valuable. Take Lebron off his team and they are screwed. Take Kobe off his team and they are less screwed. Not because Kobe is worse, but because his team has way more depth and can survive to a degree without him. Valuable is more reliant to what the makeup of the team is. Better is just head to head skill.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    slasher and penetrator to me are two different things, and in every system of basketball i have played in from aau to college a slasher or slashing to the basket is something you do without the ball or in stride of catching the ball, a good example is ronnie brewer

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    by the way Nbk, I WILL change my opinion on LBJ when his jumpshot and perimeter defense improves. And I believe it will. “this Justin guy” mmm, that tasted salty. As if I’m some random new commenter

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    And the saying that Kobe’s stats are worse because his team is so strong argument doesn’t really work when LeBron sits out the 4th so frequently. Kobe cannot dominate a game physically the way Bronius does, When Kobe is hot there’s nobody hotter, but can anyone say that Kobe could do what Bron does in terms of rebounding, help defense in the paint, and even passing? But when Kobe’s jumper is off, what else is there really? Bron can just decide he’s going to the paint and bang on whoever is there(ala Detroit in 06)

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    I know what most valuable means in terms of MVP fellas, i was talking about justins definition because if lebron is “more valuable” and kobe is “better” and the cavaliers are screwed without lebron but the lakers are “less screwed” without kobe then why is the team with the worse player just as good?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I think you’re confusing a “cut” which is an action with “slasher” which is a role.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Nbk, back to the slasher. If that’s what a slasher is, are you saying that ever NBA analyst gives the slasher moniker to the wrong player? because most analysts just tab the slasher name to any guard or forward who has to drive to get his points instead of shoots, they dont really bring up moving without the ball. I’m not saying that slashing isn’t moving without the ball, I just think it’s only half of it! Great debate today guys

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    and you keep talking about lebrons perimeter defense, maybe you should check kobes production when lebron is guarding him. Or maybe you should watch a cavalier game this year and then try and say he a bad perimeter defender

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    NBK, what you call slashing is more like cutting. Semantics. You slash to the basket by dribble drives. You cut to the basket without the ball.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Nbk, I dont think the cavs are just as good as the lakers. The lakers are 21 and 3 and are playing horrible. A team with that record playing BADLY? What happens when they start playing WELL?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Damnit, ya’ll sucked me in.
    Ciol: Um, this sucks because I HATE defending Kobe, but is KB’s J is off he is still very dangerous. I’ve seen KB create and get to the basket at will in his career.
    Ugh, I feel ill now.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I’m just gonna say you don’t know what the f*ck you’re talking about nbk. At all. Scottie Pippen was one of the best slashers in history and he had the ball in his hands a lot. Now I’m really pissed off cause I had to compliment Scottie f*cking Pippen to make a point. F*ck.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Justin
    Lebron is a better rebounder, shotblocker and passer.
    Kobe is a better shooter, overall defender and ballhandler.
    I can’t understand why people overvalue certain characteristics and undervalue others. By any objective measure Lebron and Kobe stack up pretty evenly as players. The way people separate them is either based on pure fan bias, or based on what they prefer in an individual player. There is no clear cut better player anymore.
    NBK
    I think you severely limiting the definition of a slasher and you are giving Marion that title when he doesn’t deserve it.
    And penetrator and slasher are pretty much the same, except slashers typically are only looking to score, while penetrators can find other people for buckets as well as score.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Justin, if you can’t see that LBJ’s defense is elite now then you just don’t want to see it. He’s putting locks on mofo’s.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    I changed my definition of slasher a bit cuz what i said before was a little off, a slasher is anyone who cuts or slashes while getting the ball in stride. What i mean is a guy who is standing still and does a move to get around his guy is not slashing he is penetrating, chris paul is not a slasher he is a penetrater/playmaker, michael jordan is a good example of a slasher (early in his career) he would catch the ball on the run and get to the hoop without breaking stride. To me a slasher does not create offense from a stand still but in motion. Does that make more sense?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Semantics, as someone already pointed out.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Man, I honestly can’t wait to watch the games tonight. Game 1 is a fantasy smorgasborg(?) for me with Je Johnson, Al Horford and Rondo(!) and Game 2 will be a surprisingly rare chance to watch my hometown Spurs now that I live in Austin. Is Suns v. Spurs still a rivalry now that d’Antoni is gone? I honestly don’t even know…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    But the way ya’ll are debating something so trivial is pretty f*cking entertaining.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    larry hughes is a slasher i am not saying he isn’t but shawn marion scores from slashing to the basket thats how his offense happens. I am not saying a playmaker can’t be a slasher i was going to extremes to illustrate my point

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    You’re a slasher if you drive to score first. You’re a penetrator if you drive to dish first. Moves without the ball are cuts.
    Marion makes great cuts to the basket. Hughes was a good slasher back in his Gstate days. Voilà.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    How many times have you heard somebody say “Lebron/Kobe/Wade slashes through the defense and scores” a million I’m sure and how many of those times was it used when said person cut off the ball received a pass and scored? Hardly ever.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Allenp, I have openly admitted at the start of this effing debate that I AM A BIASED PERSON IN THIS REGARD, I AM A KOBE LOYALIST, MY OPINION IS BLIND. I have apologized beforehand for being biased on more than one occasion on this topic. On almost any other topic, I am level headed and rational, ask Cub Buenning, Ryne Nelson, even comment old wise man, B. Long.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I think “slasher” in the context were all used to refers to a non PG who penetrates into the lane either to score or draw defenses inward. Ginobili, to me, is the perfect example.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    That’s it for me, folks. Time to get ghost.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I tried to change the topic TAD. But it is kinda fun…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    All good. I’m just throwing out randomn nonsense anyways.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Ciolk i can dig that definition, but penetrating and slashing are completely different things and i am not going to try and explain the subtle differences but they are different

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    I am officially quitting the LBJ Kobe debate for the day. If I have to claim comment debate in order to do so so be it, nobody has said anything new in a while (including myself). Let’s change the subject please. SLASHER TALK? hahaha I love this game

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    and i think justin is going to take my caps lock crown, now that i am on the other side of the capital letters i see why you guys found humor in it

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Shawn Marion : the best and first off the ball slasher in nba history.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Coke or Pepsi? Thoughts?

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Nbk, I’ll take the caps lock crown in an admittedly irrational fruitless debate about something neither of us can prove (and I apparently refuse to make attempts to). I’ll prove I’m rational on just about anything else. Fair Enough?

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Tad is baiting me into a caps lock war. I will simply say Chocolate milk is what’s really good.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    By your definition Reggie Miller is the greatest slasher to ever play which I don’t think has ever described reg.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    vanilla coke

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    how is that bryan?

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Nbk, vanilla coke is yum to the max. But can it stand up to the test of Lipton Brisk?!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    So let me get this straight. OJ is a slasher and Kobe is a penetrator? Got it.
    (That is the only time I will make a joke regarding those two topics. But, it was just sitting out there.)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Chocolate milk is the ish, no doubt.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Allenp, any opinion on drinkery?

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Cutting through defenses and hitting open shots = your definition of a slasher and the shorthand version of reggie millers career.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    That was pretty good Allen. I’m just upset you beat me to it. Ok, have fun kiddies. My non-sensical thoughts are done for the day.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    when did i say hitting open shots? ever, i said catching the ball in stride and cutting (slashing) to the basket

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Actually, i’ll add one more: I normally only drink H2O, so I don’t know much about soda and such. However, if anyone ever wants to get into an alcohol drink debate with me, me and my liver are game.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Tad, it’s all about frat-tastic drinks ala UV blue with limeade mix. :)

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Reggie caught the ball in stride and shot a lot. So now it matters where the “slasher” catches the ball too? Ok.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    no it matters as to whether or not they are slashing, you have proven that your just blatently rude and have to real point to anything you say, so keep changing what i say to fit your insult its cool. But i never said anything about shooting in any of my comments, but you’d do good in imagination land with mr. rogers

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    no*

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Calling Bryan rude is like calling double dribble on a retarded kid. We don’t call him “f*cker” for no reason.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    my bad i’m still a little new, ill leave the retard oops i mean f*cker to himself

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    It’s a term of endearment.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ok, I really am gone now. Late.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Y’all should just kiss and make up. Like Eboy and Kobe.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    AllenP killed it with the OJ/Kobe Slaher/penetrator line. This debate is entering absurd territory…
    How about predicting the outcome/spread of tonight’s two “big” games? I’ve got ATL by 2 and the Spurs by 8.

  • http://www.myfreesport.com LexaB

    I’m with ya on that one Holly, really starts to like the Knicks game, D’Antoni is da man!!! Also. Augustin??? Sick!!!! Mayo??? Sick!!! The entire Trailblazers’ team??? Sick sick sick and sicker every night!!! I wouldn’t want to be the team that gets to play PDX come playoffs time !!

  • http://www.myfreesport.com LexaB

    And yes, 250th and 251th (like it better than first, dont know why) !!!

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Nbk having so many comments is a unsettling thought

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Nbk gives me hope that their are at least 3 people in the world i am better than. Thank you

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    BET is like Kevin McHale, he is trying to pick up the scraps that was NBK’s comments. Sorry Myles

  • Kieran

    Everytime someone uses Kobes 81 points for any reason in a basketball argument a little bit of my soul dies.

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