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Tuesday, December 16th, 2008 at 9:00 am  |  148 responses

Will Stephon Boo the Knicks in L.A. Tonight?

by Marcel Mutoni

It’s been eerily quiet on the Stephon Marbury front of late, and that’s never a good thing. Thank goodness for the NY Post!

Steph’s BFF, Marc Berman, reports that the former Knick point guard (can we start calling him that now?) wants to attend the Knicks/Lakers tilt in Hollywood tonight.

Steph, who’s working out in the LA area, will not only be at the game, but he might be sitting courtside among the rich, famous, and totally insane. Gnarly:

Despite being banned from the Knicks New York Knicks , Stephon Marbury Stephon Marbury is strongly thinking about attending tonight’s game in Los Angeles against the Lakers – as a fan.

Marbury was investigating whether he was allowed to buy courtside seats and sit among the celebs.

This is an awesome idea by Stephon Marbury on too many levels for me to list; I can only hope that he tops it by wearing a Vujacic jersey or something.

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  • rikson

    It depends on; will he be allowed to leave kindergarten? Im pretty sure hell have to bring some adult supervision…

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    i dunno about having to watch your own team that is paying you $20m as part of the crowd. not from the bench or the locker room, but from the crowd. ny must have money for days

  • http://www.slamonline.com Matt Caputo

    He belongs on the Clippers.

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    as baron’s backup?

  • tinchek

    vujacic’s jersey roflmao

  • rikson

    some people call him the “space cowboy”…

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    the only explanation i can come up with regarding why the knicks don’t buy out marbury is for tax reasons. maybe the owner can claim some business-related expenses, that marbury is a sunk cost or a damaged inventory item, then can use the amount as write-offs.

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    er, the amount as deductions to tax expenses.

  • neaorin

    Meh.

  • rikson

    @ DavidR: I think the problem is that marbury insists on a higher fee… That means that the knicks would have to pay more than they would pay him over the season… I would do the same as a GM!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    He could buy the seat next to Nicholson, where that guy with the stupid hat and sunglasses and beard always sits. Actually, he should go in disguise, dressed up like that guy. It’s Hollywood. He can definitely a makeup artist to pull that off.
    This needs to happen.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Marbury should insist on all of his money. Wouldn’t you?

  • Clockwork

    He should throw a beer at Quentin Richardson

  • Plasticman

    Who is that guy that sits next to Jack anyway? Is it his son?

  • rikson

    If i were in the same situation, ill take some mil less and be free! Leave all the sh1t issues behind. Use the time, sign a new contract (maybe in europe) and play bball, cause thats what i love to do… In fact would he even make more money that way???
    “Let it be – speak the words of wisdom, let it be”

  • Torrance

    “Eerily quiet on the Stephon Marbury front of late?” Think not.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    This is an excellent idea!

  • http://theghostofroyhobbs.blogspot.com Mo Charlo

    Nothing could possibly go wrong.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    So much attention for such an irrelevant player.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    If you were in his position and you felt like you were being done dirty, you might not be so accomodating. Especially when you are being painted as the villain. At some point they are either going to have to cut him or welcome him back. They won’t welcome him back so they might as well cut him and let him be on his way… with all of his money. That 1 million they are going to be out of is not keeping the lights on in the Garden. The organization is being ridiculous right now.

  • rob stewart

    What if Stephon participated in and won a halftime shooting contest and won 1/2 mil. That would be awesome!

  • jay

    He should come disguised as phil jackson and coach the team to victory against the knicks!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    If Steph’s there, I’d place 10 to 1 odds he wears an old school Lakers jersey, probably Magic’s.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    He should wear an Isiah Thomas jersey. Gangsta.

  • Slick Nick Da Ruler

    If Steph has the white Lakers #32 jersey, Jack Nicholson will roll over in his grave.

  • Kyle Ian

    Co Co, the Knicks should get every second out of the time on that contract, shouldn’t they? I mean a contract is a contract. It can’t work one way and not the other. No double standards. He wants his money? Then he does his time. And for the record, the man isn’t being portrayed as a villain. He has an entire body of work that speaks to that.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Eff a bargain, give the man his money and let him walk. Stop drinkin the Kool Aid, people. Mike D ‘asked’ him if he wanted to play. Are you for real!? I don’t know about you but I’ve never been asked to play by a coach. They dress you or they scratch you. They sub you in or they sub you out. No questions asked.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Yeah Kyle, but the Knicks arent trying to do that. They are trying to unjustly keep him away from the team and in the meantime they don’t want to pay him. And since we’re talking about contracts. The CBA kinda frowns on some of their actions.

  • http://thesportsdiaryonline.blogspot.com Roy

    Interesting… This I gotta see… :D

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    When reality starts to eclipse even my craziest Stephon-related scenarios, it’s time to start worrying. Also, if Steph wants every last cent of his contract, he’d better be prepared to sit out for every last second of the season.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I think he is prepared to sit every last second Russ. Both sides are stubborn and they are willing to be stubborn til the end.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Well, it’s gonna hurt Steph a lot more than it hurts the Knicks. The best thing he could do, if he really wants to start rehabbing his rep, is take a buyout as soon as possible—whatever it costs him—and sign with someone else. Dude’s Kryptonite right now.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    He won’t give them the satisfaction.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Yeah, but so what? He’s cutting his career off to spite the Knicks. They can AFFORD to wait! How’s it hurting them? Oooh, he takes up a roster spot. THEY DON’T CARE. And the longer he sits out, the more petty he looks, and the further he gets from being a productive NBA player. Let’s face it, Steph has a long history of being a malcontent, while Mike D’Antoni is considered more or less the most player-friendly coach in the history of history. Who has more to lose? In the grand scheme of things, Steph would be smart to take the $17 million for this season (which is about $12 million more than he deserves), sign with someone else, and start playing basketball again.

  • jay

    Steph is officially over. Yeah, I said it. Case closed.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I hear what you’re saying Russ, but sometimes its just about proving your point. No matter how stupid or petty it seems to the rest of the world. This situation did not have to come to this at all. And we all know Steph is not known as being the most reasonable human being ever. He might be incapable of seeing the big picture. Plus, who knows what the ramifications of this will be long term. I think it would set a bad precedent to let the Knicks just carry on any damn way they feel like it. Like it or not, the players do have certain rights afforded to them in the CBA. Even the slightly irrational players.

  • Cizzo

    If he’s not playing then he doesn’t even deserve any recognition who cares if he’s there or not so what!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Ugh, I can’t talk about this anymore. If you feel that strongly that Steph is in the right here, we have absolutely nothing to talk about.

  • Antonis Fotsis

    @Ryan Jones..:for years i try to figure out who is this guy “with the stupid hat and sunglasses and beard” standing next to Nicholson is…i always thought that he had to be a kind of American celebrity…does anybody know who he is..?
    @Russ…: Starbury deserves 5 mil ?Ineresting…and Starbury is doing what he always did: first try to make as much money as possible, then play some ball..

  • Antonis Fotsis

    STARBURY!!!!

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I don’t feel that strongly that he is right, but I see why he has taken the position he has taken. Think about it in the context of your own job and how you might react if you were in a similar situation. I honestly think he has a good chance to get exactly what he wants. They can’t suspend him without cause forever so they will have to let him come back and how uncomfortable will that be? They don’t want that so they will eventually cut him.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Look at the situation if it were a more likeable guy. I think the fact that everyone hates Steph is clouding their judgement a little. If the Knicks were doing this to David Lee would you feel the same way?

  • Indy

    How does doing the same thing to Jamaal Tinsley for the next 3 years sit with everyone?

  • Young Chris MP3

    God I hope the Celtics DON’T sign this loser.

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    he sux…

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Again, you’re assessing all the blame to the Knicks organization and painting Steph as an innocent victim, and I just don’t see it that way. At all. I can’t have this discussion because we’re not even in the same book, let alone on the same page.

  • rikson

    THIS Situation WONT happen to a likeable guy!!!! And everybody hates steph because he acts like a retarded child -> its his own fault… act like a child and youll be treated like one….

  • rikson

    @Coco: Steph = Luke Skywalker / Knicks = Imperium

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Dolan and Steph in a UFC octagon! Of course, Steph would need to tie one hand behind his back to make it fair. Make it happen Dana White!

  • riggs

    knicks are more like an emporium am i right?

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Also, if Steph acted like (and had the same attitude as) David Lee (or Wilson Chandler, or Nate Robinson, or Jamal Crawford, or nearly any other Knick of recent vintage), we wouldn’t be having this conversation because this situation wouldn’t exist. As a veteran miserable person myself, I can say with authority that Steph is one of THE most miserable human beings I’ve ever dealt with. I wouldn’t go so far to call him a locker room cancer, but he’s definitely a locker room boil. Maybe a locker room bunion.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I’m not trying to paint Steph as a victim, but to act like the Knicks are not wrong in any way is just false. Again, if this were another player in the situation where a new coach came in and that coach just didn’t particularly care for that player and things unfolded like they have people might feel differently. Look at the situation and the handling of it while taking Steph out of the equation. That’s all I’m saying.

  • DruWil

    Huh, is Stephon considered a celebrity?

  • Ugh

    CoCo, thank you for being one of the few that see that Marbury should not be totally blamed for this.

    Russ, If you signed a contract, i’m pretty sure you’d want to collect on every bit of it too. It’s not Marbury’s fault that the Knicks gave him this contract. D’Antoni has done nothing but lie(everyone has a clean slate, claims he didn’t curse out fans, playing time, etc) since he got here, yet the media paints Marbury as the bad guy.

    Don’t blame Berman for seeing through the BS the Knicks put out.

  • Blinguo

    Forget buying a ticket, just sneak into the layup line or something. Or better yet since the Lakers blow everyone out, he’d just jump right in with the 2nd and 3rd unit the Lakers throw out there. Which is who now again? Sun Yue or something from China and Coby Carl? See, nobody knows.(both are in D-league or not on the team active 12 anymore, I know) He’d just replace Odom even because Lamar used to have those stars on the back of his head, noting he wanted to be considered an All Star that year. Both got the Mr. Clean dome, nobody will notice. Jack will be gone after 3 qtrs. (Didn’t Ron Artest/someone else do this a few years back? Sideline sit in, even got an interviewer come up to his seat.)

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Co Co
    I wouldn’t leave without all my money either. He should just suck it up and keep in shape. Do some more charity work.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Yup, he should just sit out. He deserves 100 percent of his money because he’s 100 percent in the right (which is what that implies). Boy is he gonna be a free-agent prize this summer. Teams are just gonna be falling all over themselves to sign Steph. Thing is, if he were willing to give up some of his guaranteed money this year and go play somewhere for the rest of the season, he’d more than make up whatever money he did give up on the back end. Because, fair or not, he’s viewed as a me-first malcontent and this stance is just reinforcing that view. Hardlining now means he’ll get his $21 million and spend the rest of his so-called career playing with Bonzi Wells in China. If he thinks teams like the Spurs or the Celtics will give him a second look, he’s in for a rude awakening.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    He should buy a seat like right at the end of the Laker bench and come out dressed in Laker warm ups just to fu(k with everybody.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    i like how russ keeps having the discussion he can’t have lol…and i hope Steph shows up with a home made sign.

  • Roger Dorn

    Russ, you seem to have something personal against Stephon. Did he give you the cold shoulder for an interview? Hit on your girlfriend? What is it? Every chance you get you throw in a cheap shot. Russ, are you Anucha Browne Sanders?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    “As a veteran miserable person myself….”
    Do you also carry a card? I have one and it gets me great discounts.

  • Kieran

    Did anyone else read that Marbury has the 5th lowest win % in NBA history for dudes who scored over 15,000?
    Oh and Russ for Steph to return to being a productive player that would imply he was one originally. I dont think he has for at least 6 years now. the media coverage is tiresome dude is like the Amy Winehouse of basketball

  • rob stewart

    Read the book titled: The Last Shot. It will give you complete details of Stephon Marbury and his mentality towards basketball and money. As a freshmane in high school he clearly new sports was all about getting your money. Good book too!

  • http://www.slamonline.com mat smith

    thats just so sad…. start a camp for kids or something Steph…. should have stayed with the wolves with KG…. bad decisions bad decisions bad decisions….

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    I don’t think I’m throwing in cheap shots, and I don’t consider it personal (although he’s certainly treated me in the same way he seems to treat nearly everyone else). Look, I’m not saying the Knicks are entirely in the right. If I were, I’d be suggesting they find a way to void his contract and dump him without paying him anything further. I’m saying that it would be in HIS BEST INTEREST as an NBA player to take a buyout that leaves some loot on the table (only fair since he won’t be playing for the Knicks anymore) and get back on the court as soon as possible. That could only help him for ’09-10. But it’s beyond obvious that Stephon doesn’t think like that.

  • Dark

    D’Antoni couldn’t even man up and just ask Steph to play before, which he should have. He just asked Steph if he wanted to play. Semantics.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Has it ever been reported how much the Knicks were asking Steph to give back? I think I heard one report awhile back saying that they just wanted to recoup $2-$3 million, which isn’t a bad deal.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Russ
    The team doesn’t have to play him, but they do have to pay him. That’s what guaranteed contracts mean. Just like when coaches and GMs get canned for failing to do their jobs. They get to keep all their money for sitting at home doing nothing.
    Funny how nobody gets incensed about that. That’s just business as usual, people getting paid for doing nothing. But, for some reason, it’s a bad thing when Steph does it. Then it’s a problem. Nobody tells coaches or GMs to take buyouts and settle for less than their full salaries even though they make millions.
    Why is that?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Steph signed a contract to play basketball for a certian amount of money. He showed up for work ready to play basketball. The team decided they didn’t want him to do that, and now they want him to take a pay cut.
    WTF
    Name one time when that has happened to a coach or general manager.
    Why are players held to a different standard than GMs and coaches? Why are we so much more incensed by the amount of money players make then the amount of money coaches, GMs and owners earn?
    Do people ever wonder about this? Seriously, wack coaches screw up every year and get to keep their money. PJ is still getting paid.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Tad I think they want $3 million which is a bit more than the $1 million he was offerering.

  • http://nyer.sosblog.com/ Be A Real Fan

    Co Co and Russ have encapsulated this issue presenting both sides pretty accurately . Good stuff guys. Russ I feel you about it hurting Stephon more than the Knicks. To me, I think Stephon really wants to sit out the year, rest and rehab and/or wants to vindicate himself by showing how low the Knicks’ management is willing to sink to bury him. Personally, the press is so in love with D’Ant that Steph’s gonna lose that press war especially knowing that “Bermanbury” is the only NY beatwriter in his corner. Fighting for every last cent makes sense if he’s going to Europe or retiring. But if he’s planning on playing…playing for good money and not the vet minimum…he should give up $3 or 4 mil (of which he’ll get back $1.2 mil immediately upon resigning with another team) and have a good “rest of the season”. If he plays as well as he thinks he will, he more than make up the difference at the end of the season when he negotiates a new deal. But it is his right to fight for his money. More power to him if he thinks he’s exposing something ill in NY. I just don’t think Steph is someone that will be taken seriously when it comes to him claiming mismanagement.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    If someone owes me $20 and they say here’s $17 instead, I’m gonna have a problem with it. And I don’t understand the logic of he’ll make it all back anyway. No one is going to offer Steph a ton of money in the offseason. I don’t care if he leads a team to a championship. The only GM who would have considered doing such a thing was the coach of the Knicks last season and he’s not running any team these days.

  • http://nyer.sosblog.com/ Be A Real Fan

    It would be out of character for D’Ant to tell a player to play if he’s been saying since the of the preseason “I don’t wanna disrespect Stephon with spot minutes”. Even if that statement is true or false, D’Ant’s tried to be considerate in the press of Steph’s ego. And its not like D’Ant doesn’t know Steph. He’s already coached him before in PHX so its not like he’s doing this to a player he doesn’t know. He does know him and he must not like him, right? Russ, the funny thing is, you make the argument in support of Steph’s ongoing career but readers think you have a problem with Steph. I feel you tho. Steph’s hard lining makes sense if he doesn’t want to continue playing in the NBA for maximum money. Leave some on the table now to recoup that and more when you negotiate a new deal. Makes sense. But I think, maybe, he doesn’t plan on making NBA money after this contract. If he does sit out the rest of this year, at best, Steph is either signing a one yr vet min deal with a winning squad or he’s signing an MLE for a desperate losing squad. Either way, leaving some money on the table would be a better, faster track to his on-the-court image rehab. IMHO

  • http://nyer.sosblog.com/ Be A Real Fan

    Co Co, I think the bigger point is if Steph wanted people to think differently of him, he’d take the lesser buyout, get back on the court with another team and prove it with his play. I don’t think the Knicks don’t want to pay him, they just don’t want to play him (even tho a desperate D’Ant offered Steph the starting SG position after it was revealed that Mobley would retire, which Steph declined). I think the position are in is “Hey, I’ll pay you. I just won’t pay your whole contract to go play for another team”. You either take a pay cut or sit at home. The ball is now in your court. The Knicks have basically said, “Hey, we’ll pay you your guaranteed contract on our terms, not yours. No problem. But you won’t play for our team. You won’t play for another team. And you won’t be able to show and prove yourself in your ‘contract year’ to any future prospective teams. How much is that worth to you Steph?” Its a guaranteed contract, so obviously, he’ll get his money. But he could get most of it today and play. Or he can wait til March to get every last cent and not play. Its really up to him. He’s no victim. He’s making millions either way.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    STeph will never get maximum money again.
    If he signs with a team mid season, it’s going to be hard for him to shine particularly since he’s probably going to be asked to come off the bench or play some other reduced role.
    I think it makes sense for Steph to take some much needed rest, stay in shape and then sign with a team next year so he can have the benefit of training camp. I don’t think every team is going to blackball Steph because of what’s happening this year.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Also, I don’t see image rehab as an option for Steph. He’s been branded in the media and it’s probably forever. What he should be concentrating on is getting himself set even more financially and then making sure that the next team he plays for is a good fit for him. If he has success next year he might not be able to remake his image, but he could silence some of his critics for a while.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Name one time a coach took a buyout? LARRY BROWN, NEW YORK KNICKS. Coaches take buyouts ALL THE TIME when they want to immediately take another job with a different team. The ones who get all the money contracted to them are the ones who spend the rest of said contract sitting at home playing solitaire on the computer. Steph wants to have his cake and eat it, too. No one says he can’t get every single penny as stipulated by the contract—but if that’s what he wants, he’ll have to abide by the Knicks rules.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    MAX money??? Steph will be lucky to get above the veteran’s minimum. Also, I love how this is somehow the media’s fault. Obviously.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    I hate myself for typing all of this.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Steph doesn’t need to prove himself as a player. People know what he is at this point. He’s not some 3rd year player who needs to shine in order to get people to pay him. The market for Steph is going to be the same whether he plays now or not I think.

  • Blinguo

    “NBA LEEG pass?” Man, that seems like forever ago.

  • Blinguo

    Oh, and a big “Boourns!” to this StephoNBA continuing ongoing, drawn out, daytime soap-saga although the alternative in NY is LeBroNBA, which isn’t much better.

  • http://nyer.sosblog.com/ Be A Real Fan

    haha@russ not worth the effort. I just hate it how people think Steph is a victim and the Knicks are the monster or vice versa. Depending on who’s perspective you relate with more, they are bot responsible for how badly this situation has played out. Dolan must hate Stephon because any reasonable ownership would have cut their losses a long ass timed ago. Its on the Knicks for letting it escalate to this level but the reason its gotten to this level is because of how Steph has used his time in NY. I think the ship has sailed for Stephon and max contracts, definitely. But, the difference between the Veteran’s minimum and the Mid Level Exception is enough to take the pay cut now. If Jared Jeffries can find a team to give him a 6 yr deal, a “Im in the best shape of my life” Steph should be able to find a taker to let him ride out the twilight of his career. Now, if he really wants to go to Europe, this is all moot. If he’s going to Europe, he should sit out and rest and plan for a re-emergence in Italy. Starbury in Europe puts a whole new spin on this here.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    The best place for stephon marbury is phoenix, think about it, he still is top 20 pg’s in the league, he will get plenty of minutes, and he will get to stick it to mike d’antoni

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    I just don’t get the “he’s owed X amount and shouldn’t take any less” POV. Let’s say I signed a contract with someone to shovel their driveway every week for three weeks. And for the first two weeks I did it and got my money. Then, for whatever reason, because of some slight either real or perceived, I didn’t want to do it the third week. But I wanted the full amount anyway. How is that fair? Wouldn’t the fair thing be, well, you don’t get your driveway shoveled—and you have to pay someone else to do it—and I get a percentage of what’s allegedly due me? If anything, the Knicks writing Steph a check for $17 million (or $18 or whatever) would be EXCEEDINGLY generous. It’s not like they’re refusing to pay him for services rendered—they’re saying they shouldh’t have to pay him 100 percent of what he’s “owed” for services NOT rendered. Doesn’t that make sense? Didn’t Larry Brown only get roughly half of what his so-called “guaranteed” contract stipulated?

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    The craziest thing about all this is that it’s making Antoine Walker (who’s in exactly the same position, and has been there even longer than Steph) look like an exceedingly reasonable and patient person. Also, I’d like to see in the CBA where it says that a coach can’t play/dress whomever he chooses. (Well, he can’t dress them literally—I’m sure that would break some laws, or at the very least be extremely uncomfortable for all involved.)

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Yeah Russ, but they don’t want his services so they should still pay him. And you’re right they don’t have to play him and they haven’t, so for them to look at him like he’s crazy is just crazy. Mike does not want to play him so where does that leave Steph? It leaves him in a position to say he wants his money and they have to give it to him.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    They can’t just suspend him and not pay him for no reason and that’s what they’re doing. That’s not right. They can’t be forced to play him, but to suspend him and fine him continually just because he’s a prick who you had no intentions of using in the first place is just wrong.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Agaim you’re placing all the blame on the organization, which I feel is absolutely preposterous. I’m done.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Stephon Marbury has had a problem with every single organization he has played for, for you Coco to make it sound like it is completely the Knicks fault is totally obsured. Stephon Marbury asked for the treatment he is getting, he is still getting payed millions of dollars to not do anything, he has nothing to complain about. The Knicks are doing the right thing by getting him away from the team 100%

  • vtrobot

    @ Antonis Fotsis: That bearded dude in the denim beach wear is Lou Adler. Big time music producer. So big that his son gets to be a rock star and gets models because of it.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I’m not putting all the blame on them, but you’re not putting any of it on them. Seriously if you look at this situation taking Steph out of the equation you might see it differently. Their handling of this situation has been poor. It just has. I just don’t see how he’s wrong for wanting all of his money. That’s been my point throughout this whole thing. Like I said, if someone owed me $20 and they decided they only wanted to give me $17 I’d have a problem with it. I guess you all are just a little more accomodating than myself.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Maybe they had a good reason to suspend marbury like he refused to play….the players assossiation is appealing his suspension so if marbury did “unfairly” get suspended then he will get his money. he already stated he does not want less money he wants his check, but if he wants his check and refuses to play then the knicks have handled everything well, if they unfairly suspended him the appeal will b accepted and marbury will get his money. In other words the Knicks are right and stephon Marbury is just keeping pattern with the rest of his career

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    The knicks are looking out for themselves as a business why would they care about marbury being happy? The NBA is a business not the YMCA

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Marbury is looking out for himself as a business too. So it’s okay for the Knicks to act in their best interests, but Marbury should just concede and take less money? Come on.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Please, Please, let this happen.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Let me try to put this in simple terms. Let’s say you’re under contract for the company you work for now and for whatever reason they deide they don’t want you anymore. Now of course there are 29 other companies throughout the country that are pretty much the same as that one, but your company can’t guarantee you a job with any of those companies, nor can they guarantee that you’ll make a specific amount of money should one of those companies hire you. They’re offering you less than they owe you in the contract and basically wishing you luck in your efforts to find a new job that is going to pay you well. How many of you would just say ok?

  • http://www.bbl.org.uk Josh D

    He’ll feel right at home with the rich, famous, and totally insane.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Russ
    Your example doesn’t work because STEPH DIDN’T STOP PLAYING.
    He showed up in shape and ready to contribute. They told him no thanks. So, he said fine, just keep giving me my money.
    So, the Knicks were paying somebody and told them we don’t want you to work and despite your contract, we don’t want to pay you what we owe you.
    If that’s me, I say pay me my money. Period. Why should I do them a favor when there is no guarantee it’s going to benefit me? Everybody keeps saying that playing for the prorated vet minimum is better for Steph’s career, but there is no proof of that. There is proof that if he takes the Knicks buyout, he will lose money.
    And Russ, you can pretend that the media handled this situation in an equitable manner if you like. You can pretend that the stories were written without malice or bias, and that the issue was viewed in the fair and objective way that the media claims to operate.
    Me, I like reality and the reality is that did not occur. It’s not even an argument. No objective person can say that Marbury was treated in a just and fair manner by the media.
    I can’t believe you truly believe that Steph was treated fairly. It’s almost like you’re saying that since Steph is a dick, he doesn’t deserve to be treated with respect.
    Those are not the rules the media is supposed to operate by. That is not ethical.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Except your missing a huge huge part of the equation- They cannot tell him they wont give him his money unless he refuses to play. That is the only way they can suspend him and it is also the only way he will get less money. He has to refuse to play, if he didn’t refuse then he will get ALL of his money. Stephon Marbury makes his own situation, if he refused to play then the knicks are right for suspending him, if he didn’t and he denied a buy out then the knicks will (they have to) pay him all his money. He is not getting screwed unless he is screwing himself don’t you understand that

  • http://nyer.sosblog.com/ Be A Real Fan

    They suspended him because they don’t want him around the locker room, coaches or the players. They docked him one game pay which is being appealed so he still has a chance at getting that money back if he’s proven right. Steph still gets paid so its not like he is being done wrong. The reporters who keep piling on have mind’s of their own and most of them are on the side of the franchise cuz when Stephon is gone, the Knicks will remain. Stephon has not had many fans in the NY press other than Berman. So if you wanna blame anyone other than Stephon for his public image, it would probably be them. Look, if Steph were a professional, he’d have teams fighting over him. He would have been playing his ‘contract year’ for the Knicks, had the ability to resign with the Knicks or with a new team. His expiring contract could be a trade chip and he’d have the front office looking for teams that Stephon would like to play for. There’d be consideration and a little give and take. But, that’s not what Stephon has cultivated while in NY. You make your bed and lie in it. This is what he reaped because its what he sowed. He neglected to keep it all about basketball so here we are in the midst of his ‘contract year’ and its about everything but basketball. That’s not news, that’s expected with Steph. That’s how he made his bed.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I think ‘victim’ is the wrong word used in these arguments; neither party is a victim to anything. Now, ‘stubborn’ is a very good word. Both sides have arguments and both sides are also wrong in the way they have handled some of this dilemma. Steph has a guaranteed contract, so by law of that he is owed everything that was initially agreed upon. However, the Knicks also have the right to ask for a portion back if in fact they are releasing you outright so that you can go play for another team this year. This is not specific to the NBA because the NFL, MLB, and NHL also has these issues. I guess it is how you yourself see things.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    The media is a different story Allen your right about that he is gettting shafted by the media

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    It seems like some people think Marbury is getting shafted by NY because he isn’t getting to play, frankly he is getting 22 million dollars he could be forced to wipe sht from toilet seats and still wont be “screwed” by the knicks. Are any of you getting 22 million dollars to not do your job? Didn’t think so

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    I’m a bit torn here. I think I agree with Russ 95%, that 5% being that awful shoveling scenario. If I sign a contract with a house saying I shovel their lawn every week and they pay me a set amount for every week I shovel, then if they don’t want me to shovel anymore, they still need to pay me. That being said, I’d take maybe half of that money (more than the work I did owed me but less than the total contract) and find a new job. And stop being a little baby.
    God, I don’t even know if what I said above made sense. I’m not proofreading. That’s for all you to do.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Jukai would you take half if the other half was 11 million dollars is the question

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Correct me if i’m wrong: If a team cuts x player with a contract and x player signs with another team, isn’t the first team owed money back regardless as per the CBA? That could be an NFL thing i’m thinking of.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    If a team cuts a player they must pay his gauranteed money no matter where he signs

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ok, that must be a different league i’m thinking of. Thanks.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    But if the team that resigns the players signs him for the veteran minimum (im not totally sure the circumstances) the league will pay half the new salary

  • http://nyer.sosblog.com/ Be A Real Fan

    They are due back what the new team pays the player. So if Steph’s signs for the vet minimum (1.2mil) the Knicks will get the 1.2mil. Pro-rated of course as one quarter of the season is already gone. The Knicks are paying him so that’s not the issue. They docked him for the one game where D’Ant alleges he offered him the starting SG position which Steph declines. Steph also says D’Ant should have forced him to play and he would’ve played. That’s the most funny thing I’ve read from Steph. Basically, he’s saying he would prefer D’Ant be an assh0le and tell him to do things like a child as opposed to asking him if he would like to play, like a man. Treat me like a man, you know. Tell me to do something. Don’t leave it to me to decide. HAHA Steph says things without thinking of how that reflects on him and his train of thinking. But, hey, he’s the millionaire so he must know what he’s doing.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    So, Russ, you’re essentially telling me that the deal breaker is 1 or 2 millions? Can you tell me with a straight face that the Knicks really care about saving 1 or 2 millions. They want to stick it to him and get him to bend over. That’s it, that’s all. You wanna get rid of him? Pay him what you owe and keep moving. It’s beyond me to criticize a man for wanting what he is entitled to by virtue of a legally-bound contract. FWIW, I don’t give 2 sh-ts about Steph. It’s just the principle.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    The Knicks were talking about paying the difference b/n his new contract and his old contract for a buy out. Knowing that Steph would have prolly signed a 1-year deal for the prorated vet’s min that would represent a discount of about half a mil. N…. please.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Be A Real Fan, I’m amazed that you can’t see that D’Antoni is playing that game. Since when does a coach ask a player if he wants to suit up?! I’ve NEVER heard of that EVER. What I fail to comprehend though is this : it is apparent that Mike D was not going to play Steph regardless of what Steph did on the basketball court in the preseason. He had no plans for Steph the moment he took the offer. Why are we in this situation in mid-december? A buyout or a trade could have been arranged LAST SUMMER. I just don’t get it.

  • http://nyer.sosblog.com/ Be A Real Fan

    Its more like 3 or 4 million. Of course they (Dolan) want to stick it to him and make him bend over. But they’d only be returning the favor after Steph’s four yr career in NY. Everyone acts like they’d do this to anyone and everyone. Look what they did to Alan Houston. Its not all business with Stephon, it personal. Players have a certain amount of time and then their bodies break down and they are forced to retire. Teams keep going. By tying up Stephon for the rest of the season, they are messing with his FUTURE earning potential. Stephon chooses not to cut his losses and continues to allow himself to be associated with this fiasco. That’s his choice.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    NBK
    So, we’re taking D’Antoni’s word that Steph refused to play? Even though Steph has denied this?
    The same D’Antoni who said Steph had a clean slate before abruptly benching him, and the same D’Antoni who said the Knicks are not focused on 2010?
    There is no evidence Steph refused to play. None. There is evidence that Steph said he would prefer not to play, but he never refused to play which would have opened him up to suspensions. In fact, he has explicitly denied this.
    So, I don’t see your point.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Steph is not a victim.
    He’s a man with a contract and uncertain future earning potential.
    If I had uncertain future earning potential, I would try to make sure I made all the money I could make right now. Period.
    That’s what this boils down too. If Steph takes less money, there is no guarantee he’s going to make that money back. In fact, any new money he makes back, is less money the Knicks have to pay him this year, so he’s actually going to take a loss no matter what.
    So, Steph is being asked to do the Knicks a favor. That’s what it boils down to and I don’t particularly see why he would do that.

  • http://nyer.sosblog.com/ Be A Real Fan

    Z, I agree. I said it all summer long, the Knicks should get this situation dealt with and get rid of him. I’ve been saying to buy him out for 3 yrs or do like they did with Steve Francis. Of course D’Antoni’s playing the game. And Stephon is playing a game and Dolan and Walsh. They all have their roles to play. So why try to call the franchise out for the way they play their game? If I were him, I’d take the hit and find a team that wanted to use me correctly. A team that wants you to shine is the best remedy. But because he knows he won’t find a team that wants him to shine, he fights for every last cent. More power to him. But don’t act like you’re a victim then. You know your deal and you know your situation and why you are in it. So for 3 or 4 million dollars, if you’re Steph, you’d sit at home and continue to allow your name and image to be associated with this situation? Do you think the Knicks are going to lose money or value because of how they handled this? I don’t. They’ve lost miserably for years and have had bad management for years and they are still the richest franchise in sports. They won’t lose anything by letting Stephon stew for the sake of his principle. No, I wouldn’t want to lose out on a few million of guaranteed money but I also wouldn’t want to be held hostage for a year when I know my career is winding down and teams will be less willing to pay me max money.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    He isn’t going to get max money anyway. Period.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Allen it does not matter if D’Antoni was telling the truth because of the appeal, what i am saying is steph brought the situation onto himself by complaining openly to the media. If he lied or if D’Antoni lied has a what 1 million dollarish effect on marbury’s season? I am saying that Marbury will get his money, he signed a contract, the knicks are not going to be able to screw him out of his money. Stephon Marbury is not being screwed over by the Knicks by getting benched he is getting payed 22 million dollars to NOT do his job. What does he have to complain about? He said he doesn’t want a buy-out he put himself in the posistion he is in, he said if you don’t have me in your future i don’t want to play, if thats not refusing i don’t really know what is. Although he is not part of their future that does not mean he was not offered to partake in the present. There is no quote anywhere that says d’antoni didn’t offer him the sg spot, the quote says marbury was told he was not part of the plans, (which was said at the beginning of the season) so he said he was not interested in playing thats what marbury said.

  • http://nyer.sosblog.com/ Be A Real Fan

    Even though Steph has denied this?Steph didn’t deny he was offered a starting SG position. He denied refusing to play. D’Ant admitted he asked Steph and Steph admitted he declined the offer. The Knicks responded by suspending him and docking him one game’s pay which I think will be overturned and Steph will get his one game money returned. That’s moot though. I don’t see what that proves other than Stephon not wanting to play for D’Ant and D’Ant being willing to use Steph as a starter. If anything, it proves D’Ant was honest about “not disrespecting Stephon with spot minutes or a diminished role”. because when a starting SG became available he offered it to him. So if anything, that situation was definitely the nail in the coffin.

  • Sari

    yea i agree 100% wit coco, jus put urself in his situation and try forgettin this messed up image that the media made of him

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Why would a guy sign a buyout when he is owed 22 million dollars. Why would you take less, say you make 30 thousand a year, you sign a yearly contract for that amount but your company says we are going to have to give you a buyout its over a 1/3 through the year and they say we will give you 25 thousand to go find another job where you will probably get paid 1 thousand dollars for the rest of the year. That equals 26 thousand dollars instead of 30, all your livelihood and everything you do in your life that year depends on how much money you get, do you still take the buyout?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Its the same concept except this is millions of dollars he would be leaving on the table, call him greedy all you want but money is the only thing that lasts after you retire not how many different teams you played on.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    There are no nails in no coffin. I’m not taking anyone’s side in this one. Buy him out for the full price and keep moving. I’ve read every post in this thread and I still don’t see why Steph should give the Knicks a discount. It’s not either or. Why couldn’t he be bought out AND look for a vet’s min somewhere? His next contract (IF he gets one) should have NOTHING to do with the present buy out.
    I do not care about Steph’s image or career, I wouldn’t want him on the teams that I root for. I don’t care about the Knicks either. I just don’t see why a wealthy player should give a discount to the wealthiest organization in the L. Do business like grown ups do and pay what you owe.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Why couldn’t he bought out for the full price is what I meant, obviously.

  • http://nyer.sosblog.com/ Be A Real Fan

    @Z, but see, what you are describing is hardball. If you don’t want to come down from your price then why should the Knicks buy you out? What’s their motivation? If they have a juicy 2 for 1 trade offer (the rumored Curry to the ‘Cats perhaps) and they need Steph’s roster spot to make it happen, I can see the Knicks buying him out and being done with it. But if they aren’t getting a discount then why do a buy out? For Steph’s sake? You can forget that. I’m a Knicks fan in case anyone didn’t already know. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have even scrolled this far down. :)

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    because the knicks dont want to give him all his money to go win on some other team

  • http://nyer.sosblog.com/ Be A Real Fan

    what do the Knicks gain with a full priced buyout? a roster spot that they would then have to fill and pay double because of the salary cap hit. they aren’t in a rush to do that. I’m not saying I agree, I’m just saying what it is.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    There is no reason for either the knicks to do anything nor stephon if he doesn’t want a buy out then the knicks should not give him one. If you give him all 22 million dollars then you are paying a guy to play for a different team. What if he does to miami and the heat take the 8th seed in the playoffs and the knicks get left out at number 9, plus marbury hits a game winner in the last game of the season to bury the knicks. How would knicks fans feel knowing they payed the guy that beat them 22 million dollars and got nothing for it?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Steph needs to get his act together. He needs to realize what he has rather than what he doesn’t have. He could have an NBA career while making a ton of money. Yet he wants MORE. Jeez. Selfish much? He’s more fortunate than 99.9% of the world population.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    yeah but he is not worried about the rest of the world he does not affect their life with how much money he makes. It is stupid for him to take less money when he does not have to, its not like if he didnt take the money the knicks would donate it to the needy.

  • knick

    Mike please start Steph as your shooting guard and Steph please be reasonable and accept the offer!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Moose
    Check out a site called Sports on My Mind and read about what Marbury has done with his money.
    Do that before you call him selfish. Just search for Marbury’s name on the site.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Thanks for that, Allenp. I read it and now I don’t agree with my last comment. But I still think that what Marbury is doing right now stinks.

  • http://fdsklf.com Jukai

    I don’t think Marbury is selfish to get what is his.
    I DO think this shows the world that Marbury has never cared for the game of basketball.
    If he did care for the game, he’d take the four million paycut, still have 16 or so million, and play on an other team, just to play ball.
    This is just two stubborn forces trying to stick it to each other the best they can. Neither cares about the game. That’s the end of it.

  • Young Chris MP3

    Stephon Marbury sucks.

  • Danny W UK

    Well I got excited when Steph became a Knick, it just seemed like the Boy done good and then came home. Maybe he’s hanging on, hoping it can be resolved, and he can play for his hometown Knicks again. We all know he thinks a little different to most of us.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jukai, 4 mil is A LOT of moolah to leave on the table. Even for a multimillionaire. The Knicks do not HAVE to buy him out. Steph does not HAVE to take a buy out. Neither can blame the other one for standing pat. However, Steph should not be criticized for wanting his full contract. There’s A LOT to criticize about his pouty/moody behavior or his game. I won’t criticize his money though.

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    Z: First off, worst case scenario, Steph takes a 4 million pay cut and signs with another team or 1.2 million. That’s 2.8 million for the love of the game. Probably scenario, three million and signs for two. That’s a cool million for the love of the game. To a multi-millionaire.
    Sorry, if I was in his crazy, cheap-ass shoes, I’d take the hit.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jukai, you don’t know that. You don’t know that you would unless you’re already a millionaire. Who’s giving Steph 3 for 2?! How is that the most likely scenario? If he ever plays this season, he’ll be a rent. Pro-rated vet’s min for the remainder of the season which will be about 600K. Again, that’s a lot of money to throw away for the love of the game.

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    Not really. You don’t think there would be teams who would wave the pro-rate?
    I mean, I’d delve into the fact that Marbury showing he could play for another team effectively would mean getting a bigger and longer paycheck by another team (He is in the “best shape” of his life) but if pages and pages of convincing writing on the same subject by Russ doesn’t convince you, you’ve already made up your mind.
    If Steph is done with the NBA for good, then this is arguably a smart move. He’d rather not play ball, he’s on extended vacation and is getting paid 22 million for it. The next year when his contract is up, he’ll either live confortably with the 50 or so million dollars he has or move to Europe to play some ball.
    If he’s planning on playing ball in the NBA, he’s an idiot or a stubborn punk.
    Once again, I’m 100% positive I’d take the paycut and keep playing… that is, if I knew I could jump on another team and help that team (which I’m sure Stephon can). It makes financial sense.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I see your point, Jukai. But I don’t think that this year is do or die for Steph. Why? Because he can play. That’s the thing about the NBA, as long as you can play someone will throw money at you. He can sit the rest of the season, stay in shape down in LA and sign with a team this summer. There will always be an agressive GM like Riles or Cubes to take a headcase… or better yet a hard-nosed coach à la Sloan or Pops that has a solid system that can afford to take a shaky character. (like SA did with Jax)

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    That’s a lot of words for a player I couldn’t care less about. I think I’ve just OD’ed on Starbury-talk. No mas. I just didn’t like how he was portrayed like a villain in this particular instance. As I’ve said, there’s a lot material to work with as far as dissing Steph.. but, for once, I think he played this just about right.

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    Sloan or Pops wouldn’t take Marbury if THEY were paid twenty two million. Steph’s hurtin’ his career right now. He hurts his career every second he doesn’t play.
    Or, at least to me he does.
    I think that’s the major point here. If Steph can get a nice contract without playing a minute this year, then hell, let him do what he wants. I question if he can. We’ll see.

  • awesomepossum

    so much comic hate here..

  • Antonis Fotsis

    @vtrobot…:thanks a lot!!!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I happen to think that Pop would take Steph in a heartbeat. They need a back up pg. With so many high character guys on the Spurs, Marbury won’t have the opportunity to disrup sh–. Timmy is just so unphased. That’s just my opinion.

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