January 2, 2009 2:37 pm  |  31 Comments

Big Fish, Small Pond

Small college players make an impact too.

by Jeff Fox

In the world of basketball, bigger is always better. This is a world where the average player comes in at 6-6, and six-footers are the Oompa Loompas of the land. But bigger being better doesn’t just mean bigger in physical size. In the NCAA, this also applies to the conferences in which teams compete. The power conferences (BCS) of the ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC rule the roost in college ball, both in terms of winning championships and recruiting the best players.

All the talk about parity in college basketball is nothing more than that—talk. The stats don’t lie. The last 18 NCAA titles have been won by a BCS team (the last non-BCS team to win the title was Larry Johnson, UNLVthe LJ-led UNLV Runnin’ Rebels in 1990). As for recruiting talent, in 2008, only 19 of the Top 150 Rivals seniors committed to a non-BCS school. So while non-BCS schools and conferences can protest the label of “mid-major” placed upon them and claim that they are elite programs and conferences, not many of them have the evidence to back those claims up.

That being said, while the odds are against them, “small” college players do make an impact in the NBA Draft and, subsequently, in the NBA. In the first installment of Draft 365’s mock draft, three non-BCS players crack the first round—Davidson’s Stephen Curry, Saint Mary’s Patrick Mills and VCU’s Eric Maynor. Curry is truly the trendsetter amongst these three, as Davidson College, and the Southern Conference in which it competes, is not exactly a breeding ground for NBA talent. The last Wildcats’ player to play in the NBA was Brandon Williams (whoever remembers him gets a gold star), who played 18 games in the late 1990s and early 2000s. And the only current NBA players from Southern Conference teams are Kevin Martin and Anthony Johnson.

While this year doesn’t appear to be a banner year for small school draft prospects, the past five seasons have seen a bumper crop of non-BCS players crashing the NBA. In fact, if you filled a NBA roster with only these guys you’d have a pretty competitive team. Behold:

Guards


Derrick Rose
— Memphis ‘08
Memphis, along with Gonzaga and Xavier, is one of the few non-BCS teams that can consistently hang with the big boys. Nonetheless, they do compete in Conference USA, which isn’t one of the top conferences around. Rose hasn’t missed a beat since leaving Memphis and currently has his hometown Bulls on track for a Playoff berth.

Kevin Martin
— Western Carolina ‘04
Martin quietly put up 23 points a game during his three-year collegiate career at lowly Western Carolina. Same story in the NBA—Martin is quietly going off for about 20 points a game for Danny Granger, New Mexicolowly Sacramento.

Forwards

Danny Granger — New Mexico ‘05
Granger had a very solid NCAA career, playing his first two seasons at Bradley before finishing up with New Mexico. He’s really stepped things up in the NBA though, posting much better numbers than in college or that were expected out of him on draft night.

Paul Millsap
— Louisiana Tech ‘06
You would guess Millsap to be the best player Louisiana Tech has ever produced. Alas, this was where the Mailman made his deliveries in college, not to mention P.J. Brown. Still, Millsap’s standout play this season has made all the talk of Carlos Boozer opting out of his contract a lot less scary for Jazz fans.

Center

Andrew Bogut — Utah ‘05
Andrew Bogut is the latest in a long line of solid players to enter the League out of Utah (Tom Chambers, Keith Van Horn, Andre Miller). On top of that, he is the best player his homeland has ever produced.

Bench

Rodney Stuckey — Eastern Washington ‘07
Ramon Sessions — Nevada ‘07
Jameer Nelson — Saint Joseph’s ‘04
Delonte West — Saint Joseph’s ‘04

Jeff Fox also writes about college hoops and the NBA draft at collegehoopsnet.com.

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  • Darksaber Posted: Jan.2 at 2:42 pm
    Oh man, a pic of LJ from wayyy back. Where’s plasticman? Ah, the memories

  • Kiran.n7 Posted: Jan.2 at 3:10 pm
    2nd!!!

  • Kid Presto Posted: Jan.2 at 3:40 pm
    Granger is top 25 no doubt in my mind. Give stuckey a few more years and he will be in that category as well. Jameer is actually starting to look like the point guard everyone considered to be the best in the land when he was at St. Joes.

  • CP3 Prodigy Posted: Jan.2 at 3:59 pm
    uhm Nash?

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.2 at 4:00 pm
    Pretty good list of players there. I cannot wait for Patty Mills to declare and go pro. I think his game will relate better in the NBA with better talent surrounding him. That UNLV team was awesome: Anderson Hunt, Augmon, LJ, and Greg Anthony. I miss Tark and his incessant towel munching.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.2 at 4:02 pm
    Oh yeah, good catch CP3. Nash should no doubt be on the list.

  • Fresh Posted: Jan.2 at 4:12 pm
    this would make a pretty good team but where are there only point guards comin off the bench. Big Fish, Small Pond or Small Fish Big Pond

  • chronically_ill Posted: Jan.2 at 4:28 pm
    Hey, what about Derek Fisher? Dude came from Arkansas-Little Rock, not exactly a hoops factory. Besides, his name fits perfectly with the article, since you guys are playing the “big fish in small ponds” angle no?

  • chronically_ill Posted: Jan.2 at 4:30 pm
    Ben Wallace has to be on this list too. To my knowledge, he is the ONLY active player in the league from a Division II school.

  • B. Long Posted: Jan.2 at 4:52 pm
    Devean George is the only Div. III player to ever get work in the L. Is St. John’s in a BCS conference? Ron Artest?

  • pennydunk_1 Posted: Jan.2 at 5:21 pm
    Andrew Gaze is the best-ever Australian, right?

  • Jeff Fox Posted: Jan.2 at 5:45 pm
    I only included guys who were drafted over the past 5 years, that is why all the names you guys are mentioning aren’t on there. And yes, St. John’s is in a BCS (Big East) - they just don’t play like they are!

  • B. Long Posted: Jan.2 at 5:47 pm
    I knew they were in the Big East but I didn’t know if they counted since they don’t have a football program. They don’t have a football team, right?

  • dubya816 Posted: Jan.2 at 6:04 pm
    Marion? I know he sucks now but still he can play a little bit, not to mention when he was in Phoenix.

  • Dacre Posted: Jan.2 at 6:20 pm
    yes Andrew Gaze is the best australia ever produced….he just didnt get to the NBA in time….(2 goes at it, one with washington the other with spurs - just was always old…)

  • Hursty Posted: Jan.2 at 8:49 pm
    Lauren Jackson is better Dacre… haha.

  • Hursty Posted: Jan.2 at 8:50 pm
    Patty Mills!

  • BETCATS Posted: Jan.2 at 8:57 pm
    This made me happy because you mentioned my boy Ramon Sessions!

  • Jeff Fox Posted: Jan.2 at 9:03 pm
    That’s my goal - to make you happy BET!!

  • Onions Baby Onions Posted: Jan.2 at 9:47 pm
    Well this team’s missing a little bit of height, buit other than that looks solid… Also, quick question that im too lazy to find the answer to: were most of these guys overlooked coming out of H.S., or did they just choose to go to a smaller school for personal reasons (e.g. good coach, reppin the hometown etc.)

  • dma Posted: Jan.2 at 11:22 pm
    where’s qyntel woods? literally. david west? pippen is definately should be on an all-time team. and terry porter.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Jan.3 at 1:29 am
    I have those Air Force Vs that LJ is wearing. Well, not THAT pair, but A pair.

  • serevei Posted: Jan.3 at 2:43 am
    nice two australians in one post… that must be a first

  • Hursty Posted: Jan.3 at 8:36 am
    Probably serevai.
    What about Ron Artest? he went to St. Joes too!

  • Jeff Fox Posted: Jan.3 at 10:22 am
    Artest went to St. John’s, not St. Joes and this list in the story is only guys who entered the draft in the past 5 years.

  • 2G40 Posted: Jan.3 at 12:27 pm
    What about Andre Miller, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Sean Marion, Lamar Odem, Zack Randolph, Chris Kamons and Marcus Camby? I’d run these eight against yours any day of the week.

  • Stats Posted: Jan.3 at 12:41 pm
    Okay, you succeeded in spelling about half of those names wrong, and Joe Johnson and ZACH Randolph went to Arkansas and Michigan State, respectively, plus the fact that Josh Smith didn’t even go to college.

  • 2k9 Posted: Jan.3 at 4:13 pm
    lol—-if you want to make a team based on players straight from highschool— you’ll have a championship team lebron, kobe, t-mac, garnett, stoudemire, howard, josh smith, and bunch of role players

  • Hussman25 Posted: Jan.5 at 10:40 am
    2G40; your knowledge of these players and your knowledge of College B-Ball has to come into question??

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  • Poet5417 Posted: Feb.7 at 3:13 pm
    Most of the bust in the NBA draft has been major conference players, back in the day small school players had no problem. Not all McDonald’s All-Americans can cut if in college and some can’t even play on the JUCO level. Don’t you remeber Sam Bowie picked before MJ from the SEC ’s Kentucky and had a crappy career. Then take George gervin who played at Eastern Michigan and was picked in the 3rd round, averaged 26.2 ppg during his NBA career. Just look at the 2000 NBA draft first round picks and see how many are even in the league. To make a guy a lottery pick is saying that he is going to be a pillar for the franchise, but we all know every major conference player is not a savior. Sorry Marcus Fizer , 4th overall 2000 NBA draft.

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