Thursday, January 15th, 2009 at 11:00 am  |  65 responses

College Ballers Might Get Less Time to Make NBA Decision

by Marcel Mutoni

Less time, as in ten days.

As things currently stand, non-seniors have about a two-month window after they’ve declared themselves eligible for the NBA Draft to make a decision about whether or not to return to school. If the ACC have their way, though, that window will become considerably shorter.

From the Washington Post:

Underclassmen currently have until late April to enter their names in the draft, and until mid-June to pull out and retain their collegiate eligibility so long as they have not signed with an agent. The ACC’s proposal would give players about a 10-day window after the Final Four in April to make a final decision on the draft.

“If you give somebody forever to make a decision, they are going to take forever,” North Carolina Coach Roy Williams said. “It leaves your program in limbo. It leaves your current players in limbo.”

Of course, the over-arching idea here is to decrease the number of underclassmen who declare for the Draft, something that’d make the folks who run college hoops very happy. And if this gets green-lighted, it will certainly have an impact on the way NBA teams go about evaluating talent – with fewer opportunities to work guys out – from the college ranks.

The NCAA Legislative Council is scheduled to vote on the proposal this week.

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  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    One more way for the NCAA to keep their slave labor system intact.

  • http://www.nba.com iLL wiLL

    Turrible. NCAA players need to be paid, dammit.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    No one should need another reason to hate the NCAA, but just in case…

  • http://docfunk.blogspot.com Doc Funk

    score one for brandon jennings

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    The NCAA sucks.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    its just gonna rush things and make all of them leave early before they can take their name out of the draft before its too late. Way to destroy futures, NCAA

  • ENDS

    co sigh BET. They not gonna choose to stay there just gonna screw up earlier

  • http://slamonline.com/online/media/2008/10/slam-radio-the-most-unlikely-preseason-venue/ James The Balla

    Brandon Jennings is the man!! Thank f()ck he went over seas. Now we need more people to start doing that!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Roy Williams is a douche. So he is more worried about the state of his program then the rest of a players life? Loser.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m now rooting against Carolina. Go Wake!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    Tad i can not agree with that statement more. Roy incouraged Bradon Wright to leave because Brandon’s family was living in extreme poverty and his draft stock was high, even though that meant he was loosing a big part of the team. The dude cares.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS


  • http://www.bbl.org.uk Josh D

    Keep it like it is, less than a month after the Final Four isn’t a time when coaches should be planning for next season

  • Buddy Christ

    I don’t mind this. I’m sure the players that feel their eligible for the draft have been thinking about it for quite some time. It’s just that now the players have to make a decision quicker because of a deadline. It’s like this, when your a kid who has to decide what college you want to go to, chances are are that you’ve been thinking about it all year long. Yeah, sure the kid might have a 10 or 20 day deadline. But it’s not like he starts thinking about it once the deadline approaches. That’s kind of irresponsible on the kids part. Sometimes you don’t have forever to make a huge decision. I know the college player has school and grades and other things to worry about during the year but at the same time I’ll bet he’s been thinking about turning pro since he realized he was good enough. So it’s not like the player is really rushing anything. He’s had a lot of time to make a decision, really. I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong. There might be more to the decisions than that. That’s just my thought on the subject.

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    This is pretty ridiculous. The ACC is doing everything they can to drive players to Europe.

  • Keith

    I’d like to hear Lebron James’ thoughts on this.

    Actually, no I wouldn’t.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogpost.com BETCATS

    i was being sacrastic in my last comment. I read it and realized it didnt make sence.

  • collin

    this helps how???

  • http://www.nba.com Tarzan’s Jane

    Personally, I don’t think this is all such a bad idea, to at least be considering. The way I figure, if a player wants to be entered into the draft, he should have made up his mind before submitting to the draft. Not be given 2 months to think about his decision. He can think about all that leading up to the deadline to be in the draft.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Not a bad idea for who? They ALL want to go pro but rushing that decision can drastically change your outcome. Ask Joe Forte. 10 days are not enough for a player to gather all the relevant information about his draft situation. It doesn’t even give enough time for the NBA teams to work out those players. College stats do not give you a clear idea of NBA potential, we can all agree on this. What bothers me with the NCAA is that the policy changes are NEVER geared towards the players.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I seriously hope that all mcdonald’s all-americans go overseas for a year.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    I find it quite telling that the first concern Roy Williams expresses is for his program.

  • bike

    Fine as long as the NCAA also requires all head and assistant coaches the exact same deadline for deciding whether they will take another college or NBA coaching position. They get 10 days after the final four to make a decision or they commit to one more year at same position/school.

    Run that by Roy and Coach K.

  • Harlem_World

    How much longer is the NCAA going to be able to get away with antiquated oppressive systems that are built on the foundations of hypocrisy and exploitation?

  • Harlem_World

    Damn, I sound like Etan Thomas.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    Brandon Jennings = hope and change.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Sounding like Etan Thomas is in no way a bad thing, Harlem_World. The dude definitely earned my respect after his latest SLAM piece.

  • http://soulbanger.tumblr.com tapion786

    i say give a month after final four instead going on until mid july. too bad what i say means nothing

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    I like the idea of shortening, but this seems a bit extreme. Like i always say, being a college coach is one of the most brutal, nerve racking jobs you could find.

    In no other occupational endeavor is someone’s job security based on the performance of not only other people, but young teenage kids.

    The NCAA, as a public/private entity, sucks granted, but this isn’t that big of a deal.


    I’m probably in the minority on this one, though…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Those that want all the top high school players to go overseas don’t care about the NBA or its product.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Cub, I hardly feel bad for Roy Williams and his $3 million-dollar-a-year salary.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Cub, how so? The NCAA is the NBA’s minor league as it is. Do you think Jennings will be less prepared for the rigors of the NBA after spending a year playing Euro League ball then he would have been stomping on Pac-10 pgs? I’m expecting some kind of bias from you because you love the college game. But, seriously, I fail to see how that would affect the NBA product. They could spend their extra year in the NBDL for all I care. I thought it was very selfish of people to say that Jennings was ruining the game.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Then we should just get rid of HS ball and just play AAU…. The success and quality of the NBA is still dependent on the same at the college level. If it goes somewhere else, it will eventually stay.
    Jennings, as an isolated case will be a smashing success, but on a large scale, it is not good for the NBA.

    Bias? That’s funny if you really knew me….

    TAD, it’s the presidents as apposed to the coaches that deserve all administrative ire. Coach Williams spent his entire life (morning, noon, and night) towards coaching youngsters. As bizarre as this sounds, he is worth every dime.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Brett Favre, Brett Favre, Brett Favre.

    Mike McCarthy was never given crap for being annoyed by Brett’s annual decision issues, but Roy Williams is the villan in this case?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Granted there are issues, but a free education and a much better chance at an actual future far outweighs all of this massive hate.

    Being “paid” 25K to get a future and play more sports after high school shouldn’t be dismissed.

  • http://fjdsklf.com Jukai

    Cub, I’m against the exodus to Europe as much as the next guy (and I think Jenning’s performance and lack of playing time there, as well as the spiralling Euro, don’t bode well for the kids making decisions these days), but what the hell is the logic for shortening the decision time? If you LOVE THE NBA, you HATE THIS DECISION.
    Also, I’d say the most nerve racking position in the NCAA is the players. If a star player gets injured and the team starts losing drastically, that coach gets fired with his million dollars. If that NCAA player gets injured, he loses 20+ million possible dollars. THink about it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Jukai, with 350 DI programs (i’ll ignore the thousands of players from the other divisions)and about 15 guys on every roster (that’s over 5200 players) how many of these can realistically make 20+ million???

    I’ll resist retorting with your snappy finish.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    After almost six years of working for SLAM, i can come to one conclusion, most fans of basketball hate coaches for some reason.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Cub, speaking as just one relatively well-informed basketball fan, all other context aside, I tend to hate mulit-millionaire college coaches at those specific moments when they ask people to feel bad for them because decisions made by 18-year-olds make their jobs harder. On that, I trust, all sane people can agree.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Anyone that has worked their entire lives to one professional goal and acheive that shouldn’t really be hated upon, just because it involves major financial compensation. Excuses, however, in any realm of life, are stupid.

    My comment on “coach hating” extends to all levels of fandom. For example, the current pro coach that works in my hometown is the proud recepient of some of the most vile venom. And he is a 900-win sure-fire Hall-of-Famer.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    But, Ryan, I know what you mean.

    Did your boys fight as hard as it seemed last night? I didn’t watch it, but was tracking it while watching a couple others……

    Think Illinois has a chance in East Lansing this weekend?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    True Cub. But he’s also kind of a loon.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    They did. Battle more than repped against his best-pg-in-the-league rival, and Cornley played one of the best games of his career. Unfortunately, we had two guys playing well, and they had a whole roster. It was very impressive to see them fight back from being down 18 and getting to within a point in the final minute or so. If we had one legitimate player over 6-6, it’d be really cool…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    That was why I only coached ONE year of college ball.
    All are all pretty much loony, semi-slimey guys. Kinda the nature of the job and I wasn’t feeling that kind of lifestyle.

  • Son of Shawn

    What I´m really waiting to see is a college coach saying that in a year a kid can´t learn all the fundaments he want to teach him, I´m tired of kids leaving the University without a clear progress in their game, so, in some cases it´s a wasted year, that´s the main thing, because if you are learning things everyday and you understand that you´re improving your game in a daily basis, if you don´t have serious financial troubles, you´ll prefer spend one or two years more in college, being treated like a king and becoming a better player (and a better draft pick), so I think that in some cases it´s coaches fault.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Cub, focus on “star” player and give me a better response.
    I’m also sorry I used 20+ million. Let me finish by saying “any major sum of money at all.”
    For people planning on going into the NBA, their -major- is basketball. They have no minor or concentration. Many of these kids have learned enough from High School to go out and start making money in the real world. These kids are going to make it into the NBA anyway. Why not HOPE for them to go into an environment where they will get paid for applying that skill in the real world?
    And NCAA coaches are so hateable because they get such superior treatment (millions of dollars and all the time in the world to decide where THEY want to go) when the people that put the fans in the seats get suspended if they accept a damn $2 dollar shirt from a corporation.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    I mean, I thought like you too once, Cub. But this whole thing is getting ridiculous. Sickening, really. Speeding up the process DRASTICALLY on one of the most important decisions these kids can make in their lives? Are you $(#)ing kidding me?

  • Harlem_World

    Moose, I never implied that it was. Got alot of respect for that man. It was’tongue in cheek’ obviously…

  • Harlem_World

    Cub, not all coaches are slimey or grimey – but the sad state of SUPPOSED amateur athletics is, unless you are ready to roll up your sleeves and muck in, you lose the best talent and the way the game is played nowadays athletes/talent win out. Invariably that means all power programs/coaches have SOME degree of dirt on their shoulders. Some are just better at covering it up than others.

  • http://www.slanonline.com jedi knight

    HOLD ON JUST ONE MOMENT PEOPLE lets not beat RW up to bad he’s only trying to keep his job. you see how it is one or two bad seasons and no ncaa means to coaches UNEMPLOYED!! 2 months slows down scouting. I agree 10 days is abit much hows about 1 month. With slim picking of top prospects coaches need to get a jump on recuiting why do you think HS kids are committing in there jr year. Let’s understand it’s a business although it seems somewhat exploitationess (not in dictionary) but a business none the less.

  • Fleezy

    roy williams did not say that in support of a 10 day period. that quote was from a press conference a while ago. It was only mentioned in the article because he is a big time coach that thinks two months is too long.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Jukai, then, how many “star” players are there really each year? Dude, you are way off on that one. I played DI college basketball and my major was not hoop, nor was it for many other guys I know that followed a similar path.

    Oh and Jukai, what were the names of those players that sold-out all of those seats at Texas Tech????

    Don’t be salty just because your team made one of the largest coaching blunders in the history of organized sports and the current players are negatively reaping what the PRESIDENTS and ATHLETIC DIRECTORS (the real villans-BCS, anyone) sowed.

    I benefited directly from the NCAA process, so I may feel differently than many do.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Cub, we are not talking about the average ncaa players. Those guys do not have to make a decision on turning pro before their eligibility is up. I just find it incredibly selfish to give players 10 days to make a decision that will change their lives. The NCAA is there to stay and it’s an incredible opportunity for 99% of the D1 players to get a free education. However, I find it incredibly stupid to b-tch about guys that know are going to the league choosing not to go to college. Carmelo didn’t need Syracuse, Bonheim needed Melo.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Carmelo’s case represents 0.005% of all college athletes, maybe less……

    As others have mentioned, those “chosen ones” are not solely using the 10 days to make this decision

    If this is not about those “average” players, than this actually speaks to a smaller percentage of those “on the fence” or in need extra time to decide whether they should turn pro.

    I have no problem with guys NOT playing college ball (kobe and lebron surely didn’t need it)but again, we are talking about the smallest of percentiles that these ind’ls fall into.

    I ain’t b-tchin…..except about the Prezs & ADs

  • http://www.slamonline.com jedi knight

    Cub so you played d1 ball great for you I scout, but the bigger picture is How does a coach scout players if he doesn’t know for sure who’s going to the league? coaches would be recruiting blindly. Wether RW said it or not it balls down on how early can I recruit. Ex… If my back court puts there name in the draft and then pulls out because the’re not going first round and I’m stuck with the new back court when I really could have used a big man.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    jedi, sorry, first-hand experience (from both the player and coaching side) in discussions of this nature is probably pretty worthless, anyway…..

    You are making my argument, i think. Or i am just struggling to completely ascertain what side you are on. Seems like you are in favor of the college coaches and the shortening of time.

    BTW, these are not the droids you are looking for….

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    That’s GREAT that it changed your life Cub. Really, fantastic. If you’re such an NCAA fan, you should want EVERY star player to go to Europe. Not even joking here. If every star player goes to Europe, then the NCAA’s will be as they were, where tough up-and-coming players played all four years and were drafted after staying most of their college career, which you seem to desperately want.
    I want you to explain to me how this ruling effects those “average” players you keep talking about. To me, this doesn’t seem to have any effect what-so-ever on those average players. It just seems like it effects (negatively) those STAR players you keeping pushing off as minor and all those NBA scouts who now have little to no time to figure out players and tell them if they are NBA ready or not. All this helps are those greedy NCAA execs and THOSE OH-SO-POOR COACHES who make TWO MILLION A YEAR but may be FIRED AFTER TWO SEASONS so they would only make FOUR MILLION oh god my heart goes out to them!!!!
    Cub, there is a LOT of changes that need to take place in the NCAA’s. You’re clouding the issue by trying to explain to me that this will only effect 50-90 so players a year. This is still effecting kids who are poor and need the money as fast as possible but still want to make the right financial decision. Until the exploitation changes, I’ll be rooting for Europe all day long.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Jukai…. OK, here we go.

    I don’t want the old NCAA, I like it just fine as it is. If guys can play out of high school; I want them to go to the league. I am also not in favor of any kind of “year-amount” minimum rule, either. You obviously haven’t read much of my stuff and you surely aren’t understanding me at all.
    It DOESN’T affect those “average” players, at all, just a small miniscule percent. And if those guys are so good, they should be more than equipped/ready to make the one decision they have been thinking about their entire lives.

    Why do NBA Scouts have little to no time to figure out who(m) is NBA ready? Dude, that is their job. To watch hours of tape, log hours and hours on planes catching guys in person, come to a conclusion whether a kid can play in the league, and if his team should draft said player. Not to inform those undecided college players if they are good enough to be a first-round pick.

    AGAIN, I just don’t think this proposed change is that big of a deal. Also, “Oh-so-poor” coaches??? I have no pity for them, but i respect the fact that they busted their a$ses to get to the highest level of their profession, where you almost always make top dollar. I’m done with this topic. Too many preconcieved notions about the process of going from an amateur player to a professional one.

    PS-as a side note, the NCAA football season ended a week ago, and all of their players had to declare for the NFL draft, this week.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jedi knight

    Cub yes I am in favor of the shortening of time, but just not to the extreme of 10 days that is simply insane,it takes longer then that just to create a habit did someone forget that these are still teenagers we’re talking about whos at home situations we know nothing about. For the record I personally think each player should obtain a least a 2yr degree before declaring for the league. See Ya

  • Dre

    I am a UNC fan but and I agree and I disagree at the same time. I do think that they should not be able to take forever to make a decision because how do you expect the coach to do their job and go on with their program with athletes dicking around. The coach has to make a living just like these kids want to do but these long drawn out decision can cause coaches to miss a chance at certain athletes that can cause them to keep their job or lose it.

    Then on the other end I think the amount of time the coaches want are unrealistic. I think the players need a certain amount of time to evaluate their situation and make an informed decision.

    All this talk about NCAA slave labor is BS… I think everyone should think logically and not like and emotion driven little child.

  • http://dfjlf.com Jukai

    Wow, NCAA football, the perfect example of what college sports SHOULD be. Or is it the exact opposite?
    This is ridiculous, saying that this rule wont effect many NCAA players so its not such a big deal. This hurts more organizations (the players going pros, the NBA in general) more than it helps people (a couple of college teams with one star player). Bad form all around.

  • pigott17

    in a way thats fair go.

    coz college is obviously a buisness for coaches and wat not,and if you wanna get ur payday and stay in the job you gotta put up the W’s.and if you dont no who u got till waaay late well then its no hope

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Jukai, you’re right. I was using that football example of what it COULD be. If you think it’s bad for hoops, at least we have a playoff and aren’t ruled by the acronymial atrocity known as the BCS. I don’t hear NFL people saying that their “one-week” window hurts their product. It just means that Todd McShay and Mel Kiper Jr. have to cram their entire existence into the month of January.

    I am not so sure there isn’t some NBA influence, though, in here and I am still uncertain as to how this would hurt the NBA?

    Dre, thank you for those last two sentences.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    My 2 Cents:
    2 months to 10 days is BS. Straight up. Find a middle ground. 1 month sounds about right to ME. It gives kids an opportunity to see which teams may be interested in them (or not) and where they’d fall in the draft. It also gives NBA scouts enough time to evaluate kids (which they’d been likely doing for the last 2-5 years anyways). Same with colleges. Time for them to get their affairs in order and still get the kids they want (in the majority of cases).
    I don’t feel particularly sorry for the coaches though. They make more than the players too. With great $ comes great stress and great responsibility.
    It sucks if they lose a job, but if they’re good enough, they’ll find another home and another multi-million dollar contract.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    The coaches I DO feel sorry for are the ones who are mid-major to low(?)- majors. They don’t have the buying or selling powere to attract major stars, and if they end up with a Devan George (or another low level college player good enough to turn pro) who is the soul of the program, not for 1 or 2 years like KD and DJ for Texas, but a 4 year guy like Morrison who sticks through everything and helps the team become a winner. When that kid leaves, the head coach, assistants, scouts and everyone else involved in the program suffer. It’s not their fault- the kid stayed all 4 years- but that might’ve been their only time to ‘be someone’ as a coach and another contract may not be as forth-coming….Do I really have a rock solid point? Not really lol. It’s just my thoughts on the matter.