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Thursday, January 22nd, 2009 at 10:00 am  |  278 responses

LeBron Fails to Impress Rick Barry

by Marcel Mutoni

For all of his obvious gifts and talents, not to mention the never-ending improvements, LeBron James continues to have his detractors. These folks we generally refer to as, what’s the word I’m looking for, oh yes, CRAZY.

Charley Rosen was among the first to walk down this dark path in an infamous column for the ‘Leader’, and now, the eternally crabby (see what I did there?) Rick Barry has decided to join him.

Barry, in an interview that aired last night, gave a scathing assessment of LBJ’s game. From the Plain Dealer (via: BergerSphere)

He’s got major flaws in his game,” the Warriors great said in an interview airing Wednesday night. “He’s six years into the NBA. How can a man six years into the NBA with his talent have a major flaw in his shot? How can he not use screens effectively?

I watch the game very carefully, he doesn’t use screens effectively and this is not LeBron’s fault. It’s the fault of the people who are teaching him. … There is no doubt in my mind that LeBron, if shown these things, would do them, because he wants to be a great player. He wants to win a championship. As great as he is, he should be better.”

Rick Barry, I can only presume, then went on to describe all of the flaws that he found in the Mona Lisa painting.

LeBron and the Cavs visit the Bay Area this Friday, which will be the perfect opportunity for the Warriors great to personally address these “major flaws” with James — before it’s too late.

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  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    I dont have anything to say on LBJ today, but great HOUSE MD reference to SEE WHAT I DID THERE!

  • k.o.

    primo.

    LeBron will make Slick Rick eat those words.

  • WhaHuh

    Whats wrong with the way he uses screens?

  • Buddy Christ

    What? LBJ’s not good enough now? So if he adds that wrinkle to his game can RB shut up? And if that’s LBJ being flawed then I’ll take it

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    When you are 6’9 and almost 280, why do you even need a screen?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    ^Exactly.

  • http://www.liveddb.com DDB

    LeBron needs screens because he has no moves. He has ZERO one on one moves. His points come in transition and explosive moves off of screens (which is why I don’t know what Rick is talking about). In today’s NBA guys that are fast like LeBron and CP are unstoppable with a screen. With their speed, all they need is a little space.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Although, if I had a group of sons as pathetic as his were at the game of basketball…I’d be upset too,

  • ENDS

    while in High-school, crossed Over Waived away picks…see what “I” did there.

  • Buddy Christ

    What exactly is Lebron’s weight exactly? It seems to fluxuate from game to game.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    372.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    screen? Barry said screen? Has he seen an nba game since the millenium started?Nearly every nba player sets lazy screens or illegal ones ( if you go by the rulebook). A dude who’s massive, flexible and quick like lbj needs frequent screens like i need the ability to fly a f22 raptor. Get otta here with that nonsense, rick(rhymes with d*ck)

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    280?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    4 and a quarter?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBQEmmgDl9I Boing Dynasty

    Rick Barry: noted racist.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Wow. Wouldnt go that far, Boing. Any proof?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    No 1-on-1 moves? Then what do you call that ‘crab dribble’ move?

  • Randy Brown

    Anybody want to weigh in seriously on what’s wrong with the way he uses screens?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Am I crazy because I agree with Rick Barry?
    Haven’t we all said that if Lebron had Kobe’s technique he would be the greatest basketball player ever created? Well, that appears to be what Rick Barry is saying as well.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Allen…..major flaws is a HUGEEEEEEEEEEEE stretch. Some flaws that could be corrected by the time dude hit’s his prime (in about 4 years) is more accurate.

  • Joe

    Not knowing how to use a screen is a MAJOR FLAW! i’d hate to hear rick barry criticize Kwame’s game.

    Rick, needs to stop trying to sell those Better Basketball videos, that’s all he is trying to do.

    If not knowing how to use a screen properly is going to make me play like LeBron, I am goint to work on being worse at using screens.

  • The Seed

    Rick Barry is saying that Lebron should be better, he is bless at 6’9 260. But hasn’t improve his shot in six years. When I watch a Lebron game its like he hopes he makes the shot, not I know, thats why at end of games he gets in Dwayne mode and try to run people over to get layups or go to foul line and Barry is right if he used a screen better, he would average more points. Kobe and Wade uses screens well, watch the games. How do you think Miami beat Dallas in the finals. Yes Lebron is the second best player in the league, but he could be even better, also Lebron needs to get Kobe killer instinct.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Lebron nearly always rounds off his use of pick and rolls. Too often he allows big men to force him to flatten out when they hedge on him. He could stand to improve on how he attacks coming off pick and rolls, and how he splits those double teams.
    Off the ball, he rarely uses down screens or back screens to get open, but can you imagine how dangerous he would be if he did. Now, that’s a function of the team’s offense, but I think Lebron isn’t really comfortable using off-ball screens so he doesn’t ask for them. He should be learning how to use screens the way Rip and Reggie once used them because that would only improve his game.
    And, I agree with the fact that Lebron isn’t really a crafty dribbler, which limits his one on one moves. In fact, one of the reasons for this is because Lebron rarely palmns the ball, which can make it more difficult to make an off the dribble move. Most great dribblers get away with a little palming action and that allows them to do more with their dribble. Lebron dribbles in the textbook manner, which can make things more difficult.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    All that said, I still think Lebron is the best player in the league. So, whatever.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Rick is famously a douchebag, but I think he’s right — LeBron’s absolutely still got flaws in his game. But they’re correctable. He’s 24 — this is a fact, not an excuse — and I don’t remember Jordan, Kobe or any other player ever having a truly complete game at 24. Like all truly great players, LeBron has gotten better every season, and will likely continue to for the next 4 or 5 years.
    And yet, LeBron, flaws and all, is still the consensus leading MVP candidate this season. So, hey, good work by Mr. Barry.
    I’ll now leave the podium to the Honorable Mr. Brown of Minnesota, who will get really worked up and equate LeBron’s still-inconsistent outside shot and lack of a steady post game to the humane crisis in Gaza. Probably.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm……correct me If I’m wrong….but is there any part of Lebron or his game that screams screen-using-jump-shooter? Sure it would expand his game…but c’mon now.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Oh, and still far and away the best part of Rosen’s column — which I may have referenced once or twice or 30 times on this site — is how he put that line at the end of the column. He put the dumbest possible thing he could say in the place where it was most likely to be remembered. I love him for that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Eboy: Thank you. Sure he can tighten up his J a bit, but as I asked Myles the other day, “Are you saying it’s possible to take too many high-percentage shots?”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I can’t wait til Myles wakes up from his LOST coma…

  • The Seed

    I have discussed Lebron with people for a while and if Lebron doesn’t win a title his whole career, to me he has to be looked at as a Dominique “Highlight” Wilkins, who had crazy blocks and dunks, but didn’t expand his game to be the ultimate best.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’m of the thought pattern that if Lebron’s J was as wet as post baseball MJ’s or unforced, working on the triangle Kobe’s, it would be unfair to the rest fo the league to try and contain him.

  • Michael

    seed, i dont really see why lebron would bother expanding his game, he could play at this level for the rest of his career, be a lock for the hof (if he isnt already) and probably pick up a chip or two along the way as it is.

  • Michael

    and eboy, did you need to say the barry brothers were pathetic? they did make it to the nba and had fairly solid careers, and unless there is something you arent telling us, i dont think any of us posting at slam cant say the same thing.

  • Michael

    *can say the same thing

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Was there a Michael Barry brother?

  • Jackie Moon

    Michael said “i dont really see why lebron would bother expanding his game”

    I do. Maybe because Lebron wants to be the best player he can be, not just the best player.

  • The Seed

    Michael, the article is about flaws in Lebron game and I see them. Yes Lebron is an oustanding basketball player, but I feel its more about his size that his skill. Lebron dribbling is suspect, when you have to go to a crab dribble and did you watch the laker game I predicted he would go right on both in the lane moves and Ariza stole them both, if he could dribble, he would have reacted to the player with a crossover. Lebron is a good player, but there have been many who played a a high level, he just gets more props for his age, but has been playing in the league for six years, forget the age. I feel Lebron has peaked, yes people would disagree, but if you do, what will Lebron get better at, only thing is shooting, using screens, dribble. I feel Lebron is satisfied with his career, and doesn’t have the killer instinct, Kobe went after Jordan everytime. Lebron should have tried to embarrass Kobe in the live TV game.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Also, doesn’t LeBron have the ball in his hands about 70% of the time, initiating the Cavs offense? So, instead of trip-dubs, you want him to run off petty screens and shoot jumpers that apparently haven’t improved from his rookie season?
    Um, yeah.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Yeah, like Ryan said, Lebron’s track record shows consistent improvement. I expect this to continue because he’s just as driven as Kobe, only he’s not a psycho.
    Yeah, Kobe’s a psycho. Lakers fans know this, but they prefer not to discuss it in polite company.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “Kobe went after Jordan everytime” And did that with little efficiency. They played a handful of times Seed, and there was only one instance (in Michael’s Wizards stint) when Kobe showed dominace (against a 39 year old Mike). Let’s not rewrite history incorrectly.

  • The Seed

    Eboy he still went after Jordan, thats the key, success doesn’t happen everytime, its trying to succeed to be the best and beat the best. So failure fueled Kobe to be better, thats the key.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And let’s no say Lebron doesn’t bring it against Kobe. That’s just ridiculous.

  • Michael

    maybe he just has a personality where he doesnt feel the need to drive himself to be the absolute best player he can be, who knows. a lebron that has reached 90% of his potential will still obliterate the league for the next decade anyway.

  • http://www.bbl.org.uk Josh D

    True, he should shoot the three better, but MJ was no deadeye marksman either and why does he need screens when he can just get to the basket at will?
    Lebron will be a great player, but not as good as MJ

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Seed…..you’re talking as if Kobe faced the Bulls in the Finals a few times and failed on the games greatest stage, in head to head matchuos with MJ. A few regular season losses, against the greatest player of the generation, while Kobe was still on the come up, didn’t fuel Kobe’s fire. Trying to outshine his giant teammate and make a name for himself was more the fuel. Emulating most of Michael’s on-the-court mannerisms showed that the fire he had wasn’t an angry one towards MJ’s legacy….but an honoring one.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Nitpicking Brons use of screens is unnecessary, but the fact of the matter is that the man still cant shoot. People point to his overall FG%, but year after year NBA Hot Spots will consistently show you that Bron shoots about 70% in the paint and around 35% everywhere else. Of course since hes the most unstoppable wing player since, ever, he gets to the lane with ease against most teams. But smart and capable defensive teams keep him out of the paint and he becomes far less effective when forced to rely on that J consistently. So I could care less about screens, he doesnt really need em. But if after six years he still has no post game, a weak midrange, spotty three and hasnt cracked 80% from the line yet, then its not that crazy to point it out.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And LOST was great.

  • The Seed

    Just posting my thoughts, still feel Lebron lacks the killer instinct and Lebron did say this in an interview. What player you know would say I want a killer instinct like Kobe. Be real, so Lebron fans love him or witness him not expanding his game. Yes a Lebron at 90% is better than alot of NBA players, but Lebron wants to be the best-Global Icon, and I don’t see it out of him. When is career is over, we will see what he has become. I honestly think DWade will have a better career, but hey I am just planting a SEED.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Just because it may not be pretty doesn’t mean it is not effective. So, no we are nitpicking? Is Bron’s flat jumper or the fact that he rounds out on screens mean that he won’t win the MVP this year? Or that he won’t improve his game before next year or the year after? I know at age 24 I was hardly a finished product.

  • witness

    his shot could be better. and so could his post defense.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    TAD…..probably, at 32, you’re still unfinished.

  • Vannshy

    Michael, when u said: “he could play at this level for the rest of his career, be a lock for the hof (if he isnt already) and probably pick up a chip or two along the way as it is.”

    The thing is, it would probably be a perfect career for 99% players in the L, but for Lebron i really think it would be a waste, with the potential that he has he can go higher than that.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    33 E, and yes, i’m still unfinished. Appreciate the reality check.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I really wasn’t trying to be insulting, TAD….just saying….you keep learning, year by year. For someone to say Leborn has hit his ceiling just makes me tune out to what most basketball “fans” think they know.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    If his goal is to win the title, then he probably knows that teams like Boston, LA, Orlando and San An are gonna pack the lane and put their best defender on him with help lurking to keep him on the perimeter as much as possible. And hes probably gonna have to make those jumpshots. But if this is just about whether LeBron James can win an MVP without having a jumper, then yes he can.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And to say that hes reached his ceiling is just as ridiculous as saying that hes unquestionably the best player in the league.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I like the idea that a guy whose FG percentage has gone up in five of his six seasons “hasn’t improve his shot in six years.”
    I like the idea that a guy who did what LeBron did in Game 5 against the Pistons in ’07 is deemed to lack a killer instinct.
    I like all of these things. Please keep them coming.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Co-sign both things Myles said.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    It’s not NEARLY as ridiculous, Myles, but you’re mostly right. I try to give you credit in those rare moments when it’s due.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm…..for all the rocket scientists…..Dwyane Wade….yeah that guy in Miami….uses screens a thousand times better than Lebron….handles the ball better than Lebron and has a better “killer instinct” resume than Lebron. Would you take him over Lebron? Yeah….thought so…so please kill this useless argument.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    @TADONE,EBOY….:have you eve…never mind.(keep on the good job my little friends!!!)
    @Marcel….:don’t know about the extend of your basketball experience but to call crazy players like Barry and Eddie Johnson (also has said repeatedly that LBJ’S shoot has major flaws)is at least “funny”…basically you just expose yourself…LBJ’S shoot is not only ugly (not “Childress like” ugly but ugly…) but the worst thing is that there is no improvment on it for all his years in the league. Barry is really polite when is trying to protect LBJ’S lazyness by saying that he would have corrected it if somebody had told him so but he just doesn’t want to say publicly that LBJ cannot shoot better since he went on to be a bodybuilder. This is his OWN choice, and it is understandable having in mind the pressure he has from his shoe company to sell shoes. Kids love dunks and muschle flexing and my little friends here can assure you about that…Once again: to compare KOBE with LEBRON is a clear sign of ignorance although LEBRON is more effective for the NBA regular season for whoever that matters (kids!!) .By the way: LEBRON is BARRY BONDS 2020. I can almost guarantee a “Flo-Jo” in the next 30 years from him,hope it will not be at the course of an NBA game. The signs are alarmingly clear…

  • justin

    Actually, what Rick Barry said made a lot of sense. Could you imagine if he did have a shot? He has mastered his adolescent form, but he will never be consistent with it. Losing Paul Silas hurt his game a lot, could you imagine where it would be now if he had a tough coach that taught him the game like Silas would, instead of whoever Mike Brown is?!?!?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I only do this for pats on the head from Ryan. And it is entirely possible, since he has gotten bigger, that his FG% goes up every year cause he goes to the basket more. Nothing wrong with that at all, its the smart thing to do. But it doesnt necessarily mean that the J was significantly improved.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    As the morons continue to pour in………..

  • Cizzo

    Big as LBJ is he needs to set some solid screens!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    As much as I have the most honorable respect for Barry (whom I consider the most underrated basketball player of all time), this is pretty dumb.

  • The Seed

    Eboy relax, I see you are passionate about Lebron, and I would take Dwade over him hint: (ONLY IN PLAYOFF FORMAT AND LAST TWO MINUTES OF A GAME). YES I WOULD. The only thing that scare’s me about Dwade is him getting injured again. and ANTONIS FOTSIS your funny man, Lebron is barry bonds 2020, hope not but all that muscle is slowing him down with that crab dribble. Wished Lebron care about expanding his game the way the people up here feel about crying for him.

  • http://www.bebotbebot.com 007

    Lebron is 6’8 and 250..no way he look like that (6’9 260-280) beside nene or big baby davis who got those specs. why is it always exaggerated..

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Actually, 99% of the posters here are pretty dumb too. Mostly Seed though.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    lost is back? Where the hell was i? Under a rock like some crab? Saaaaaayiiiid!

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    First, talking about the Rick Barry thing. Yes, Lebron would be sick with a dependable jumpshot. Lebron has “hot spots” on the floor (right inside the key facing to the basket, and around 15 feet around the paint he’s actually hitting incredibly consistently. For a while, it tricked me into thinking Lebron had a nice jump shot, but I realized he’s just taking jump shots from a few locations) so if he’s given a little space, he can hit these flat jump shots from off the floor. People don’t give him credit for this. Still, I get it: If Lebron can’t see all of the backboard, he rarely makes his shot (have you EVER, outside of the Pistons game 5, take a shot from the sides?) and Lebron needs to get higher on his jumpshot. It’s very flat footed, and while it works when facing straight at the basket, it’s hard to arch it on the sides and obviously doesn’t work at the three-point mark (his mechanics when taking a three point shot is totally different from when he is inside the line). It’s also a rather slow shot. Sure, no one’s able to block it because they defend him SO FAR AWAY because if you guard Lebron close, he’s going past you, but it’d be downright deadly if he could just catch and shoot.
    That being said, WHY THE HELL WOULD LEBRON NEED TO SHOOT OFF SCREENS? WHY? SOMEONE GIVE ME A REASON? CAPLOCK?
    The dude -has the ball in his hands 60% of the time-. The dude had 14 assists yesterday, and these aren’t cheap Iverson/Kobe find the open man assists. He CREATES offensive tempo and makes his own passing lanes. Likewise, when Lebron is running off the ball, he is going to be swiping down around the basket. Lebron has giraffe gallops, rarely gets called for three steps, can take off from the free throw line if he has a clear path. Why would ANYONE want to play him like Ray Allen and have him run behind screens and take a quick turn around? What kind of game plan is that?

  • Julius J. Hornswaggle IV

    I dare say that Berry is right in his assessment. LeBron (a.k.a. The King) has some flaws in his game. But the flaw is pervasive with the entire Cavs squad. Timing is very poor on their screens. Poor in terms of setting the screens up, poor in terms of impatience with waiting for the screens to develop, and poor in terms of screen positioning (back picks). The Celtics, Spurs, Lakers, Jazz, and Hornets are superb in screens, pick and rolls, and the like.

  • Julius J. Hornswaggle IV

    Barry not Berry

  • Tom

    So what did Rick Barry say about Reggie Miller? What about Peja?

    I’m pretty sure from a text-book standpoint, their jumpers had MAJOR flaws.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    dwade is better than lebron. how is dwade not better than lebron? dwade is a better shooter, has better overall offense, is a better passer, is a better defender, more steals AND BLOCKS. lebron just has size. he uses that effectively, but dwade has much better skills

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Seed….I respect Lebrons’ talent….that’s it. I root for Dwyane and the Heat….so I have no vested interest in defending Lebron’s minor shortcomings. What is presently annoy (mostly every day around here) is that the fact that Lebron is the most marketable star in the League and has that mantle since Mike retired, that cancels out what the dude is as a player. Sure his game’s not perfect (not one players in the history of the game has been)but most of the people here compare Lebron to Kobe daily (which is unfair to both since their games are so disimilar)and tout Kobe’s killer instinct (which there has been none on full display in an NBA setting, in a playoff atmosphere since 2003)as one of the things that set’s Kobe above Bron. That’s complete and utter horesh*t, as Ryan used one example to show Lebron’s ability to do just that, we all know that Kobe has had huge moments….in big spots……but to say Lebron doesn’t have the ability to get there is silly.

  • Todd Spehr

    Would Rick Barry say it if he didn’t think it was true? Let the man have an opinion; heck, he’s one of the best forwards ever, he should know what he’s talking about, right?

  • Julius J. Hornswaggle IV

    Well, well, “has that mantle since Mike retired” is highly suspect. Once Mr. LeBron dons several championship rings….perhaps.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Arek

    Ebony.. if you had 2 sons in the NBA you would be upset?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Rick Barry is a huge d bag. Lebron is really good. That is all.

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Responding to EVERYONE else, you HAVE to give Bron some credit here. He has LISTENED to your complaints:
    Post play: No, you don’t see Lebron posting up from 15 and shooting Jordan-looking turnarounds. Yes, Lebron has so much height that these would be unstoppable. But c’mon now, give the dude some credit. 75% of the Cavs games I have seen (I have watched all but two), Lebron posts up when there’s a smaller defender on him. Yes, most of the time it’s just to get better positioning on the floor so he can be closer to turn around and drive to the basket, but he will do the occasional flick-it-to-the-basket or spin-around-the-defender-and-dunk (those are technical terms, by the way). I know, I’m sorry, we don’t see Lebron shooting a side-to-the-basket-babyhook. It’s terrible. The point is, Lebron is using it, HE’S IMPROVING.
    Yes, Lebron still isn’t Kobe. He can’t catch the ball and shoot it with two defenders on him and cold bloodedly knock it down. Still, as I said in my previous post, he’s shooting a LOT more jumpers. He’s got two or three sweet spots on the floor where his shot is damn consistant, he’s fading more (not hitting them, but he’s doing them more) and when the defenders give him the space, he’s no longer trying to drive and lose the ball… he’s taking them! It’s undeniable he’s improved.
    Lebron also is hitting his free-throws more consistantly. I’m not doing the MATH (someone correct me if I’m wrong), but every month he is shooting a better free-throw percentage, and he may very well reach 80% this season. Sure, he’s not Rick Barry (*ahem*) but he’s improving.
    Oh, and everyone can now shut up about Lebron’s shot blocking and one-on-one defense now.
    So, even though he’s still a ludicrous scorer, a great rebounder, an amazing passer, an undeniable leader, cold as ice in the clutch, and great in the passing lanes, he has STILL found time to work on his jumper/post/shot blocking/defense, while keeping his game either on par or better than it was last year. What are you guys complaining about?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “most marketable star in the League”. Please take an English reading course.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    AF
    Why do European cats think hitting the weight room is a bad thing?
    Do you think Chauncey Billups would be the player he is today if he wasn’t in the weight room?
    How about Earl Boykins?
    Adding muscle is actually a good thing and is a sign of dedication to your given sport.
    Lebron is improving. I like his chances to catch and pass MJ.

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Also, Lebron is an incredible dribbler for a forward. Save Caron and a couple of others, what forwards in the league can dribble better than Lebron right now?

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Allen, ignore AF. He doesn’t watch basketball. He just said Lebron has had no improvement in his jumpshot since entering the league, meaning a) he hasn’t watched basketball when Lebron came in the league, because that shot was AWFUL, and b) he isn’t watching basketball now, because Lebron’s shot now is half-way decent.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m personally complaining about the economy. My LeBron complaints? Um, that he plays for the Pistons division rival. Other than that, I have nothing. Carry on.

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Still, I love the way Rick Barry played the game, so, you know. It’s my one man crush vs my other man crush.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    AF is really Rosen. He moved overseas and gave himself a new identity.

  • neaorin

    The only issue I have with LeBron on screens is he doesn’t lead his man into the screen; a lot of times when the screen is coming he will dribble into space which allows an aware defender to easily avoid the screen. I’m not sure if that’s what Rick Barry means.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    LeBron is shooting a lot more jumpers. And hes not making them. Outside of the paint and inside o the three point line, there are three areas on the floor where he shoots 30% or less. There are two other spots where he shoots less than 40%. He takes a majority of his shots from the left elbow and makes them at a 54% clip. But he still takes an astounding number of threes for the awful percentage rate he makes them at. Im not making this sh*t up. Go to the NBA site, look up NBA Hot Spots under statistics. His shot is not halfway decent. So yes, it is a overwhelming testament to his skill and ability to play at such a high level regardless of whether he can shoot or not, but again, if he wants to win hes gonna have to fix that. And fast.

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Neaorin: That’s actually a very good point. I think the reason is that when Varejao sets a screen, Lebron gives him extra space so he can run the pick-and-roll more effectively. Still, he does it with Big Z and Wallace, so I don’t know. Big Z moves his feet so damn much on screens that maybe Lebron Lebron wants to draw that away from the refs.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Mr. Brown from Minnesota wrote,

    “if he wants to win hes gonna have to fix that. And fast”

    Why does it have to be fast?

    Serious question.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I can’t argue with Myles’ statistics, but just from watching games it seems like Lebron’s jumper has gotten better. I don’t know, maybe it’s still putrid, but it’s improved.
    Jukai
    You’re right. Lebron is pretty much on par with every other forward in the league. Maybe Kevin Durant has a better handle, and possibly Josh Howard. Oh and Steven Jackson. I guess given how fluidly Lebron moves on the floor I expect him to have more off the dribble moves, but maybe that’s unreasonable.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Because his teams chances of winning a title this year and henceforth would increase dramatically if he would. Driving to the lane against helpless defenders will work against about 25 teams in this league. But there are four teams that have the coaching and personnel to implement the aforementioned defensive strategies to keep him on the perimeter and limit his effectiveness. Those are the same four teams hes gonna see on his way to a chip. If he wants to win, he has to fix that.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Not to answer for Myles E, but it probably goes back to his 11:47 comments to which he said good teams know to pack in the lane on Bron and force him to beat them with his J.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    KOBE> DWADE > GINOBILI > LEBRON. (all of them top-10 in the world at the moment)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Or theres that. Damn refresh button.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    ***Checks watch. Makes sure he isn’t dreaming****
    -
    Um AF, please stop typing.

  • Keith

    I 1000% agree with Barry. I haven’t read what he’s saying but because he’s one a championship, his opinino is more important than yours.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    AF
    Nikos, is that you? Only Nikos would put Manu over Lebron. Manu, who is regularly injured and is a left handed bandit. Manu who can’t post up and is regularly out of control on his dribble drive. Manu, who is great, but is nowhere near Lebron’s level.
    Myles
    You are right about elite defensive teams. But, I wonder if the improvement in Bron’s teammates, particularly the addition of Mo Williams, will be enough to mask the fact that he can’t shoot jumpers as well. His teammates will make it more difficult for other teams to pack the lane because Lebron is a willing passer and Cleveland’s ball movement has improved greatly.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Those are all good points Myles, but aren’t two of those potential roadblock teams both nearing the end of their potential roadblock status (celts and spurs)due to age. And I’m guessing you’re referencing Orlando….which we all still need to see in playoff tested waters and their ability to do it there. Sure the Lakers have the potential to be there for a couple of seasons as Finals reps for the West but that’s not guarenteed, like Lebron having to get back to the Finals in the nest season or two to make it work in his favor to be legendary.

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Interesting fact that I’ve learned from that hotspot chart that Myle showed: Lebron shoots around 40% outside of the paint from the left and wayyyyyyyy below 40 on the right. What I’ve also learned? Myles is still a total tool.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    Keith!!!!!!!! your genious was really missing from here!!! (although EBOY,TAD,JUKAI and the other kids gave their best as always…)

  • underdog

    Plus he’s chewing his fingernails!

  • The Seed

    Thats all I am saying, Lebron should have more go to moves with his dribble and not just depend on running or jumping into people for contact, thats what he did against the lakers and when he doesn’t get the calls he is ineffective. So he does need to improve screen and rolls and his jumpshot to be this global icon and I disagree with someone about Lebron having the mantle. ESPN is shoving Lebron down our throats and its not working. Kobe has that for the next 5 years, then maybe Lebron has worked on expanding his game by then.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    @Allenp…:Manu who has been the BEST PLAYER on champion teams on EVERYLEVEL – EVERYWHERE around the world…(of course winning has little to zero important for fantasy bball and videogames….)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Maybe if Keith could improve his English grammar, I could listen to what he has to say.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    The short yellow bus has arrived.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    @TAD…:you could listen or you could read…?(i definetelly need to check my English grammar among other things…)

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    There is certainly a difference in the way the Cavs offense is set up now. Bron plays off the ball more and that certainly makes him-and his teammates-more dangerous. But missed shots are still missed shots and that would give a defense more options in their attack if they think he cant finish outside the paint. And yes, a couple of the teams that are in his way are getting older, but the much ballyhooed free agent class in 2010 could change the game even if Bron stays. Whos to say that Wade, Bosh, etc. dont go somewhere else and create an entirely new threat? If I were a Cavs fan I wouldnt take the present or the future for granted. And for that I would be a total tool.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I took Myles advice and went to NBA.com to check on Mr. James.

    This is what I found.

    PPG 27.8
    RPG 7.20
    APG 6.8
    EFF + 29.95

    Yes, I believe the dude should leave the game for fear of embarrassment.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    AF
    Manu is better than Duncan.
    GTFOH
    Forever

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Antonis Fotsis: could this be the talent that Manu has on every single team he’s ever played for? let’s see what manu can’t do:
    -Not lose the ball every time he has it. For a guy who doesn’t have the ball in his hands coming down the floor, he LOVES to turn it over.
    -Create offense (almost every single one of his passes come from drawing defenders with his shot and passing it to a big man by the basket. Note to Antonis Fotsis, Manu has never played on a team without dominant big men. Talk with Duncan and Scola)
    -Not travel. Sorry, dude steps so bad Lebron would blush
    -Play legit D. Manu is the most overrated defender on any level. He has been on lockdown teams his entire career, but the dude gets BLOWN BY SO MUCH. How does he make it up? Flopping and smacking people’s hands away from the ref. Sorry, he’s a so-so defender.
    -Stay healthy. Ever.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    You know…..it would be SO fuc*ing fantastic if Lebron choose to go to the Lakers in 2010…..and then hear this ridiculousness end in a millisecond playing alongside 24.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    There should be a breathalyzer on the comments section.

  • Marcel Mutoni

    stats are dumb. lebron is handsome. i just ate a burger. good day!

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Myles: Watch the games man. Yes, Lebron’s actual statistics are upsetting all-in-all, but it’s not an every game thing. He’s inconsistant, ESPECIALLY at home, where in the first/second quarters, he thinks he can just walk up and take 50 jumpers without much thought. Still, there are more games nowadays than last year where Lebron is hitting his jumpers. This may seem petty in the regular season, but in a seven game series, he’s going to have two or three games where his jumper is on. If you don’t think he can win that one or two games without his jumper, you’re once again the tool.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    My question is: If you were a tool, what kind of tool would you be and why?

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Eboy: it would be even MORE fuc*ing fantastic if Kobe choose to go to the Cavaliers in 2010.. and then ehar this ridiculousness end in a millisecond playing alongside 23.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    @JUKAI….:i agree with everything you said but if he was healthy in the semifinal the result would have been the same as 4 years ago and LEBRON would have still been known as LEBRONZE around the world .(of course this would have still be true if not for KOBE, but never mind my little friend…)
    Its clearly an insult to MANU to compare him to guys that have zero serious achievements in their careers up to now but being in this forum i think MANU would understand…

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    You’re right about Manu’s TOs Jukai, he’s way too loose with the ball. But, Manu has actually been amazingly healthy over his career (far more so than DWade), considering how recklessly he plays. I’m not putting him in the Bron-Kobe-Wade ranger but he’s definitely a top 10 perimeter player in the world. He definitely does gamble too much on D. But the guy puts his body on the line every game and is an elite competitor. Not to mention he’s as clutch as anyone in the game. Sorry, I just had to step in to defend my boy.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    HELL NO E! Keep LeBreezy as far away from the Lakers as possible. Besides, there’s no way he signs there.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I do watch the games and the statistics bear out what Ive been seeing. Its not as though Im using some convoluted measure like EFG or PER, its just his FG%. The shot either goes in or it doesnt. And I guess Im a tool for remembering last years matchup with the Cavs where he set records with his subpar jump shooting. There werent two or three games where his jumper was on, there was one fantastic game where it was on. If he was shooting better, chances are they wouldve gone to the Finals again. I dont see how hes going to magically going to improve his shot once the calendar turns over to May or how if he doesnt improve that shot that things are going to turn out differently.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I HATE how people think Kobe was in any way resposible for the US winning Gold. He was at his worst during those games. Look at THAT shot chart if you want to see some garbage. If anything it DWade and Bron (and Bosh to a lesser extent) who carried that team. Kobe just kept jacking up shots, terrible ones, the large majority of which he missed. Badly. Kobe proved to me in that moment that he’s the most insecure sociopath I’ve ever seen (outside of serial killers)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Forgive me for bringing the party down….but I’m bummed that Alonzo has retired for good.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    ..and, uh, yeah Lebrons FG% is over 50%. Kobe and Wade’s are not.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Me too E. I’d always had respect for Zo’s toughness and indomitable will but hearing him speak about some importanat issues made me root for him to get back more than ever.

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Antonis Fotsis: okay, what achievements has Manu made around the world? He has one ONE olympic gold medal and one bronze. I believe Lebron has the same amount. Hell, Manu couldn’t even medal in last year’s World Championships. He played PITIFULLY. Manu may be the on-the-court leader, but I’ve heard Scola really leads the team. Didn’t they vote him Captain last year?
    His European achievements are impressive, but not really. I remember him opting to not go to the NBA so he could join Italy’s best team and make it pretty much even better. Good for him.
    But okay, let’s go back to the NBA. Manu has three NBA championships. That’s nice. Manu barely PLAYED in the second championship the Spurs won. The third one, I’ll give you, Manu pretty much lead that team to victory. The fourth one? Manu was injured throughout mostly all of it and it was Tim Duncan and Tony Parker that won it.
    So stop stating all these facts. They don’t mean anything.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Still Jukai, you gotta admit, Manu made his NBA career by ABSOLUTELY burrying your boys in Phoenix.

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Myles: I assume you’re talking about the Celtics series where Lebron shot awfully but also was double teamed from the paint to the three-point line. So yeah, how dare he not be able to get off a shot during all of that. Also, the Cavs would easily have gone to the Finals last year if Gibson had not injured his shoulder because Gibson would not have missed every open three pointer like Sasha, West, and Sexyback did.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Lawd. Manu is good, LeBron is better. Crack is wack.

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    Ciolkstar: A lot of people have made their careers by obliterating my boys. Your point doesn’t stand!!

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I don’t have a point. I just think you’re presenting overly negative, one-sided arguments against Gino because you disagree with AF. I have to defend Gino, the same way you have to defend Nashty.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Thats the point. Theyre gonna do it again. And more importantly, the rest of the leagues elite has learned from it. So its not an outright denigration of LeBron James supremacy, its a reasonable question. If hes not shooting well now and has had this problem over the course of his career, how can anyone be absolutely confident that things will turn out any differently this spring?

  • niQ

    criticizing lebron’s game and flaws is like criticizing iverson (in his prime) and how he shoots too much. iverson is one of the all time leaders in scoring. if the shoe fits, wear it. Seriously, if thats how they play works, then STFU.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    i love that even suggesting that LeBron’s game isn’t entirely free of flaws like the 45,973,003-carat diamond he is, is somehow tantamount to high basketball treason and supreme idiocy. Fine, he’s the best player who ever lived and he doesn’t have to work at anything. All hail the King.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    The Cavs did give the Celtics the best run for their money last season. By far. The Lakers just gave up in the Finals. No heart. You can’t measure it, but it counts for a lot.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Define “works”.

  • http://dfsjlkf.com Jukai

    @Ciolkstar: Yeah, I am pretty much. Manu’s a very underrated player. If he was on another team, he’d drop 25 a game easily. Still, he’s a bit one-sided in terms that scoring is his strong point.
    Brown: A vastly better team, vastly improved personal defense, improved inside passing, improved free throw shooting, and all the other teams being worse than they were last year? Would any of that make one a bit more confident?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I forgot a comma up there.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I leave the remainder of my minutes to Senator Bengtson.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Also, Rick Barry’s obviously just a know-nothing racist. A Hall of Fame know-nothing racist who happened to be one of the best shooter/scorers in the history of the game, but still.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I don’t have any issue with what Barry is saying, but calling them “major flaws” is just wrong.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I’m not getting involved.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Barry didnt, as Russ so mildly put it, “suggest Bron’s game isn’t enirely free of flaws” he said he has “major flaws” which he won’t be able to win a ring without correcting. And suggests that since he watches the game “so carefully” he sees what Bron should do instead of what he already does. Maybe if Bron was built like Barry he’d run around screens and work on his set shot all day.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Four teams in the league are on pace to win 60 games, yet theyre worse than they were last year? Fine. Consensus is that as Bron goes, so go the Cavs. And if any player in the league-even one as talented as Bron-is shooting 30% from the right side of the floor, then his shot has a major flaw.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yup.

  • The Seed

    LeBron Fails to Impress Rick Barry and others is a better title. Rick Barry might be a racist but he is right about Lebron James. Plus how do yall know Rick Barry is a racist-I want facts. Lets get to a Kobe playing Football or Baseball article. Kobe would ahave been Moss’in on those Cardinals.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I was referring mainly to the vitriol being spit at the people in here who DARE suggest that LeBron has a few things to work on. Everyone knows Rick Barry is batsh*t crazy.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Also, let’s make this realllllly simple for everyone. If LeBron were to work on his jumper, would he improve his own game and increase Cleveland’s chances of winning a title? Yes or no?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    On a completely different note, I would like to know the origin of “batsh*t crazy”. Seriously.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Russ is lumping us all together, I think.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Yes Seed, lets. I think its hilarious how Bron’s football commercial (and ascent in the “best player in the world” argument)has made Kobe so obviously insecure that he’s bragging about his ability to play football (and apparently baseball as well. Maybe he missed that chapter in the Jordan legacy) did Kobe ever play either in HS? what makes him think he wouldnt get taken out (ie severly injured)? Being freakishly tall is a hinderence in football, unlike in hoops. His knees would be ripped to shreds by tacklers. And, don’t get me wrong, the same thing would probably happen to Bron, but his build is more suited for the physical punishment.

  • Julius J. Hornswaggle IV

    I agree with title revision, Seed. As for Eboy, there is simply no hope of revision. He is and will for always be wrong.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    In a nutshell, there are chemicals in bat sh*t that can make one crazy.

  • Julius J. Hornswaggle IV

    Eboy, as to you marketability mantle jumbo. Get real, MJ founded NBA baller marketing. LeBron is a benefactor.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Agreed Russ @ 1:49. I just dont like when you swoop in here and try to undermine the debates people are having, with some point that renders all other useless and tries to make those debating look like reactionary fools. We’re debating because its fun, not because its entirely neccesary (which it obviously isnt)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Thanks Myles. Incidentally, Wiki doesn’t have a definition for that.

  • Julius J. Hornswaggle IV

    Really, Myles, really? You would know?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Julius….while your attempts at being funny work well in this forum….any one that disputes that Lebron is the most marketed player in the current NBA game….obviously is a mentally challenged idiot and should’nt be posting on websites…but should be receiving special educational assistance to help with their day to day lives.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I always though it was just some wacky expression…interesting…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    All Star lineups are announced tonight. I can’t wait to see Yi’s name in lights.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I never realized “debating” involved calling people morons and tools. I must have missed that part of the Presidential ones. Shame.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    ugh TAD. And to think, he’ll likely be taking Granger’s well deserved spot.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    “The term “batsh*t crazy” is linked to the chemical fumes that accumulate from guano in caves where bats dwell. These fumes are toxic to humans — particularly those who “mined” guano for fertilizer in the American west during the 1800s — and can cause brain damage. Hence the term.
    You may have seen the photographs in an issue of National … Read MoreGeographic a while back of deep cave explorers in the southwest sporting gas masks, 02 tanks and protective hoods to prevent poisoning while in bats’ habitat.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Also, I like that no one’s actually answered my question. That IS like a debate, I guess. Y’all a bunch of Palins.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Fine “arguing” and maybe occasionally insulting each other (although I try to restrain myself from outright insults, since thats not the point). but still you can’t deny that you always come in and try to demean those who are arguing/debating/talking isht WTF ever with some point that tries to make the entire debate seem useless. Its just annoying.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Yes.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Which is why I didn’t even want to post in here at all, because I think this entire “debate” IS useless. I’m out. By all means, carry on. Let me know what the consensus is.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    And I did answer your “question”. Would an improved jumper improve Bron’s chance at a ring. Sure. Is it a “flaw” he’ll have to correct for him to win a ring. Hardly.

  • The Seed

    ciolkstar, your right Lebron’s football commerical was his best to me so far, way better than the commerical with Lil Wayne and he look down and have white stuff on his shoe and looking at Lebron, plus Kobe could play center/left/right fielder, would be better than manny.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Hockey Mom!

  • Ryan D.

    Yea Rick Id like to you guard Lebron over screens and his improving jump shot with those underdeveloped boy muscles you had when you played. HI HATER!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Myles has given me a history lesson. Word. Sam would be proud.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Good then. The comments would be alot more enjoyable and less mean spirited if you DIDN’T come in an attck the peple who support your means of making a living. Yeah, its useless, not everybody gets paid for their “opinion” so we come on here and debate/argue about useless isht in our free time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Here is the real question: Is Kobe Palestine and LeBron Israel, or vice versa? I know it’s actually an imperfect analogy, but I think we should explore it further.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I knew youd be back. And I like the analogy how it is.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Apparently bat guano is ridiculously valuable as a fertilizer. All the fruit and bugs they eat produce some powerful sh*t.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Who would be Arafat?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Kobe is ALIPAC and Lebron is HAMAS.
    Out for dolo, but pretending like there is more there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    So Myles will go the victimhood route, which I think makes the crab dribble roughly equivalent to UN-banned phosphorous shells. Makes sense.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I can live with that.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Wow. You guys are fun.. I’ll just say that when I watch LeBron and he’s hitting his jumper I think to myself, wow LeBron is hitting his jumper tonight. That might mean trouble for (insert team name here)
    I think that means I’m not convinced he’s a good jumpshooter.
    His shot is inconsistent and he’d probably be referred to as streaky if he were someone other than who he is.
    All of that being said, he’s a good player.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    This is probably a horrible idea, going this route. I apologize.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    “All of that being said, he’s a good player.”
    Co Co just SOLVED this sh*t. Everybody go home.
    PS, If you ever read my book, you’d know there’s so much more to it…

  • Julius J. Hornswaggle IV

    Eboy – I was taken by your compliments in the same vein as I wept during the Obama inauguration. (time out to blow my nose). Being a particularly diligent consumer of your posts, I noted the addition of “current” to your latest post. Very sly indeed. Being of exemplary higher education and knowledge, I’m sure your ad homenum comments were not directed at me per se. But I will stand steadfast in defense for those of you who “…obviously is a mentally challenged idiot and should’nt be posting on websites…but should be receiving special educational assistance to help with their day to day lives.” Rest assured your input matters, even to those of us in your superior.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Russ is lucky I stick to calling these wormlike individuals morons.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Hornswaggle for the grammatically incorrect win!

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I’d love to read your book one day Ryan……as a matter of fact I ordered it online a couple of weeks ago… still waiting on it to arrive. ;)

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    Rick Barry > Russ “who??” Bengtson .
    Although this is logically-mathematically incorect since you cannot compare something that exists with something that doesn’t (bball wise)

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    EBOY!!!!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Fotsis doesn’t believe in imaginary numbers.
    I don’t believe in Imaginary Players, although I know they exist.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    @Allenp…:i generally prefer to know than to believe…now if you know something exists but still don’t believe it, then we have a really interesting case that my weak inteligence is unable to follow…we need the help of some real genious here and since professor Stiglitz is propably busy with GDP’s & ROI’s we would have to rely on our own phenoms here (EBOY,TAD,JUKAI please step up!!!)

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Kobe/LeBron : crisis in the middle east = brilliant. THAT is why I come here.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Rick Barry used to have his own radio show out here in the bay, he was constantly arguing with callers because of his cranky, over-analytical demeanor. It got to the point where on one show he said that Shaq was not in the top 5 discussions of greatest centers ever. After about 10 callers saying he was a hater, he vehemently said he would hang up on any caller who said he was a hater. Pure comedy. His show was pulled shortly after.

    Sidebar: When Scoop was promoting Sole Survivor (I think?) He was on the show and pissed Barry off because he kept referring to him as “Pretty Ricky”.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    SHAQ ain’t top-5 and i am not a hater. Wilt,Russell,Kareem,Hakeem are clearly ahead of him and you have to give Mikan the edge over SHAQ since he dominated the NBA more than SHAQ did in his era. SHAQ is right there with MOSES tied for number 6…

  • dubya816

    LeBron for MVP.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    LeBron’s J is broke. We can all agree on this. The reason why it bothers you guys so much is that you’ve been conditioned to think that a superstar wing NEEDS to have a good J in order to be successful. If LeBron was a 4, nobody would care about his jumper. He made the finals with a sorry-ass team with that J. He took the Celts to the last minute with that J. He’s going to win an MVP with that J. He’s going to win at least a few chips with that J. / How you score is overrated in basketball, the object of the game is to put the ball in the basket. Last time I checked, he could get to the bucket in crunch time with the whole defense waiting for him. And what does when he doesn’t have a clear path? He kicks it to OPEN SHOOTERS whose jobs are to shoot the damn ball.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Mikan over Shaq is hilarious. What was he 6’9″?Imagine Mikan (at his peak) trying to guard prime vintage Diesel. I’d accept the argument for Moses before I would Mikan. It was different era admittedly, but one with a far lower standard for greatness.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Shaq gets top 5 just because he had to play against superior competition. So, I agree you aren’t a hater Antonis, you’re simply insane. There are a million more reasons why Diesel should be in the top 5 debate.

  • Leeboy

    Yeah I understand Lebron has some flaws but Rick acts like Lebron is good at all!! Rick should have given Brent and Jon some advice. lol

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Are Antonis and Rick Barry one and the same?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Seriously, Bron could hit 70% with his fg and some would still argue that a wing with no J can not be the best player in the game. Some might find Kobe’s game more aesthetically pleasing, but does that mean better? / To answer your question, Russ : The Cavaliers would be a better team if LeBron had a better jumpshot like the Lakers would be a better team if Kobe knew how to make/let teammates play at their max potential like the Spurs would be better if TD could be money from the line in crunch time like the Suns would be better if Nash wasn’t playing matador-style D like the Magic would be better if Dwight had a go-to move down low like the…

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    @ciolkstar…:the only way to compare players from different eras in my mind is to check their achievements. Have you seen Dr.J shooting or dribling..? T-MAC (when he was healthy..) is propably a better overall player (he was no bad athlete either,again when healthy…). Now ,would you ever consider comparing Dr.J with T-MAC in terms of greatness..? Having this in mind Mikan gets the edge over SHAQ..(and YES, SHAQ would have propably eaten alive Mikan if they were to go head-to-head…)

  • http://nba.com tealish

    Whoops, I guess I’m one of the morons that think LeBron could benefit from improving his jumpshot! Improving a fundamental skill in basketball = a good thing. Shocking, I know!
    Seriously though, we know Bron is the best at getting to the rim and it’s near impossible to stop him. But sometimes, the defense plays great and you’re not getting the calls (last gm vs. the Lakers). A better shot would have helped, no?

  • http://nba.com tealish

    NO! HE’S 6’9 290!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    tealish, this all started regarding Lebron’s use of screens, not the ability to improve his shot……go back and read the first bunch of comments….before the other clowns showed up and polluted the conversation.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I like Barnum & Bailey.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    LeBron’s biggest flaw is that he’s too awesome.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    i’ve said this like a week ago but lebron is getting almost as polarizing as kobe in these threads. almost.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    It should’ve been said earlier, but:
    “Rick Barry’s name fails to ring a bell in LeBron’s head”

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Ryan, I read your above comment about the book, and I would like to say that I ordered it on Amazon two days ago (not gonna tell you how much I paid, though). Can’t wait to get it.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Why is a crooked J considered more of a crime as an inability to convert in the lane for a wing?

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    I know a lot of major flaws in the games of Drew, Jon and Brent Barry.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    Fotsis, I had spent the last month or so hoping you had killed yourself… imagine my disappointment when you returned to infest the slamonline message boards again. Manu is maybe the 10th best shooting guard in the world. Maybe.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    @Ryan….:and that ain’t good….
    @everybody….:a wing player without a really good J can be the NBA MVP but he will never be considered a complete player from those who really have a clue on this game (Rick Barry just being one of them). Many people prefer the easy way to greatness-money-fame and can’t blame Lebron for having the lazyness of ordinary people: he chosed to do it through becoming a mutant instead of spending the many thousands of hours you need in order to perfect your shooting stroke…

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    @what….:what? (i missed that darling!!!)

  • Snow

    Lebron is Overrated!!!

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    @what…:you can think about it the good way:you keep having to hope on something with your time-life since i was such a capturing thought in your life(and rightfully so) for the past month…!!!!

  • donlaker

    RICK the same dude who sot underhanded free throws
    his biggest flaw was /is that he could never shoot as good as jerry west..
    a list of good shooters under 20 feet
    1.gail goodrich
    2.jerry west
    3.jordan
    4.del curry
    5.kobe
    6.ginobli
    and bron is top ten

  • Jackie Moon

    If Lebron James continues to improve his jumper and free throws (even more than he has), yes, that will increase Cleveland’s chances of winning a championship. Yes.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Moose, I should’ve been clear, that comment was an inside reference of sorts to Co Co.
    I will not be offended if you bought it used.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    MANU is one of the 10 best players in the world for the last 10 years E-A-S-I-L-Y (propably top-8)

  • Jackie Moon

    Ok, we get it.

    Manu is the best player in the history of civilization.

  • donlaker

    larry bird and reggie miller had a top 10 shot also
    and ray allen is in the top 10
    but bron just bench presses his shots
    but he is getting better…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Good that you won’t Ryan. I still can’t wait to read it.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    The logic that you have to put Mikan with Shaq because Mikan dominated his era is total BS. That’s like saying you should compare Bob Cousy and Magic Johnson because Cousy dominated his era. That is some dumb ish.

  • http://nba.com Big J

    I wish I had LeBrons flaws I mean he has some things to improve but every year he has shown improvement and I believe his biggest problem is SHOT SELECTION so his stats are misleading like all the deep threes he takes and also heavily contested jumpers he takes but a fundementally sound jumper would help but I think he’s doing fine right now

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    MJ won his first three rings without a great jumper and he was clearly the greatest player in the world which he proved when he and the DReam TEam went to the Olympic and beat the rest of the world like crimson-headed stepchildren.
    Z is right that a jumper can be overrated. Russ and his minions are right that Lebron could stand to improve his jumper.
    Everybody is right that NIKOS smokes crack with $2 whores on weekends.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    AK
    So, it doesn’t take hours to get strong and develop athletically?
    This is the comment of an idiot who has been brainwashed into believing that avoiding the weight room is the only way to be a true basketball player.
    No sensible person believes that hitting the weight room is easy. Nobody who has actually lifted weights to get ready for a sport (which I have done for football) thinks that activity is a cop out. You have no idea what it takes to get into the physical condition that Lebron is in, and you are proving it with your inane comments.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    Fotsis, can you rephrase that in English? The only way you can honestly say that Manu is a top 10 player in the world is if you are a racist.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    You can make a pretty solid case that Manu is the 3rd best player on his own team.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    speaking of DREAM team: if the yougoslavian team hadn’t been cut into pieces before the final of the 1989 European championship, the first loss of the professionals would have been at the 1992 Olympics final. Croatia was even with U.S until their starting unit got tired and unfortunatelly they hadn’t have a second unit…same thing happened in the 1996 final when Serbia was even until the 30′ minute when Divac was fouled out out there was nobody to replace him. Robinson ate alive a young Rebraca and the game was over…now imagine a combination of the two teams (this was the former Yugoslavia) with the addition of Yuri Zdovts at point(a better-more athletic version of Calderon). The team would have been something like this: Zdovds,Petrovic,Paspalie,Radja,Divac and Gorgevic,Danilovic,Kukoc,Savic,Vrankovic coming from the bench. Having in mind that those guys where playing together since little kids, i can hardly see a way the Dream-teamers escaping this game. That Yugoslavian team is propably the greatest basketball team ever assembled….(i am giving you for free things that you should pay good money to know and this ain’t the first time…)

  • http://nba.com Big J

    AF that is a good team but there is no way that you can prove that they were better unless everybody on slam contributed on buying a time machine which I believe is not going to happen

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    now, IF the dream-teamers where all at their prime AND if the where playing together for more than a summer then it would have been really interesting…
    @Allenp…:i spend my weekends with $500 whores because I HAVE IT like that…sorry..

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I love Tony. He’s not better than Manu. Most of the time I want the ball in Manu’s hands at the end of games, even over Timmy. To me the only issue with Manu is the turnovers, but I want him taking the shot to ice the game. But whatever, he’s not the type of player I expect to get his just due. Not to mention the role he plays for his team in the NBA is much different than most “stars” in the league.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Have what “like that”? A hideous disfigurement that causes $2 hoes to charge you $500?

  • Jackie Moon

    I spend my weekends watching TV. I have it like that.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I spend my weekends with my wife and son.
    I ain’t got jack…
    Dream Team 1 would have abused any international team y’all trotted out. You know this and I know this. But, keep living in Euro fantasy world.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Co Sign AllenP. As far as those tied game scores go, I’d imagine we had a case of playing down to your competition. ANY player on the Dream team would’ve been the Yugo’s best player.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    There is so many things that need to be corrected here…
    Allenp: I thought you were older than me. I’m on your side with the whole idea of Lebron not needed a jump shot to win a ring, but your Jordan statement was a little ridiculous. One of Jordan’s main weapons earlier in his career was his post-up turnaround J from 15 feet. He dropped 60-something on the Celts in the playoffs cause of it.
    AF: Have YOU ever seen Dr. J shoot and dribble? His jump shot wasn’t perfect but Dr. J had a nice handle. Everyone just remembers him when he was 30-something in Phili and not in his Net days. So yes, Dr. J in his prime was infinitely better than T-Mac. INFINITELY. In every aspect of his game. And that isn’t just my father talking who saw Dr J play like 700 times.
    Ciolkstar: Now you may be over exaggerating Manu’s game. Dude scores in bunches, but he also grows cold A LOT. His passing is amazing for a role player but not really on par for a star. His defense, once again, is suspect on the one-on-one, and of course, the turnovers. He’s not REALLY that amazing. I’d be hard pressed to have him crack a top 40-all time shooting guard list.
    Russ: You’re right, bad mouthing people is a terrible way to have a debate. Talking down to them and trying to make them feel dumb though, that’s legit. Keep on posting… moron.

  • jrp14

    Lebron could average 33, 10, and 10…some people are just always gonna hate because some people just feel that that’s what they need to do

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    jrp14, don’t you get Myles’ point though? He could average 33/10/10 but he’ll NEVER GET A RING because he WONT BE ABLE TO HIT A JUMP SHOT@@@@@

  • whatever

    instead of being all negative and taking this as an affront to Lebron, the thing to take away from Barry’s quote is that Lebron can get much much better than he already is – insanely scary.

    and screens aren’t just for jump shooters, if used correctly, they create mismatches and angles which make your path to the hoop a lot easier.

    and the NBA sucked in the 1950s – the average shooting percentage was in the 30% range.

    http://www.baseballcrank.com/archives2/2004/08/basketball_shoo.php

    the absurd stats of the 50s-60s is a product of pace… even in the much slower 70s and even slower 80s, the current Warriors would be the slowest team in the league.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Jukai have you ever watched the game jordan scored 63 on boston in the playoffs? He did not have a turnaround post jump shot (as his main weapon) until after he retired for baseball….It was a byproduct of the speed he lost and the energy he had to exert to do what he used to. Against Boston he scored off of face ups-cuts-and transition buckets-plus dribble drives…and LeBron is around the same age Jordan was when he did score 63<lebron’s been to the finals —- and efficiency wise as of last week LeBron James was having the best season OF ALL TIME…whether you put stock in that statistic or not the gold standard was MJ’s 8687(?) season when he put up 36. The fact that LeBron has flaws is what makes him so much MORE special then other players…he is already better then them and he is not near his ceiling…

  • http://nba.com tealish

    @Eboy: I see that now, sorry. I usually just skim the comments. Regarding the whole using screens thing, I think it’s insignificant in LeBron’s case.
    However, an improved jumpshot is definitely something he could use because as of now, (and I’m only speaking for myself of course, and I’d likely get killed for this), 3 seconds left in a tied ballgame, Bron wouldn’t be in my top 3 to take that last shot.
    @Allenp: No need to respond to him, man. Just let him be!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    tealish,
    The only thing with Bron is that he doesn’t need to take a J with 3 seconds left, he can get to the hole. He’s about the only one in the league who can win games with layups.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    NBK: My apologies. I had this memory of Jordan fading outwards in that game, but what he was actually doing (I just watched the youtube clip) was posting up from the side, fake-pivoting going one way then pivoting the other way and shooting facing the basket. It’s still a damn 15 foot jump shot.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    But, as everyone as stated, of course he’d be a better player if he had a better jumpshot. There is not much to debate there.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Z: Lebron would also be a better player if he had a complete post game/had better lateral timing/worked on his legs so he can jump higher/had better court vision/wore shoes that gave him another inch or two/grew a third arm/grew wings. I hate that logic.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    wow. Barry should be proud. His statements brought Jukai out in full effect. Haven’t seen him write this much in ages, and he stayed civilized too. Nice. Then hamas/mossad comparisons were drawn (phosphor shells. Really ryan?) and for the first time i can remember, the usually amiable Russ Bengston got straight blasted by a few linkstigators, to the point of getting insulted. Even Fotsis and his overly euroball loving views are in the mix. This is a vicious post. Rick Barry making us dance like puppets

  • http://nba.com tealish

    Z: Against what defense? And OK, fine, make it 2 seconds. My point is, I don’t care who you are — sometimes you just have to take the jumpshot.
    LeBron may be able to get to the rim 95% of the time he wants to…but he’s not an actual train going against mortals. He isn’t, no matter how many broadcasters say he is — he isn’t. Drives to the basket CAN be stopped. Sometimes he HAS to shoot from the outside, that’s a fact.
    In that 5% of the time, if I were a Cav fan, I would hope he improves on his 30% from one side of the floor. That’s just from a hypothetical Cav fan though!

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    Off topic here: i beg everyone who knows of him and enjoys reading him (even those who don’t) to go over to the worldwide follower and read Sports Guy’s latest story called “one last toss for the dooze”. i kinda had to grab a tissue cause something was threatening to leak outta my eyes! It’s a bit long (like most of his articles) but if you do not feel anything while reading that, you have my sincerest pity for being a coldhearted human.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ DDB: LeBron can get to the basket at will against ANY defender, by himself and you say he possesses no 1-on-1 moves? Are you high?

  • joe

    The reason he does not use screens well, is because at 6’9 270lbs, he is not made to use a screen, he is made to be a screen-setter

  • Mike

    250+ comments qualifies this topic as one of the controversies of the year.

  • Fitzy

    @ AF
    the u.s was a better team because of their physical strength and conditioning. They could wear any team down. Which covers the topic of physical attributes, but yes lebron could benefit much more if his jumper improved, a better jumper forces the defender to guard you more closely, and in lebron’s case he could just blow by the defender, a lot of the people here are talking as though a jump shot’s a bad thing

  • Mike

    Blah blah blah swept by spurs blah blah going to knicks blah blah bronze medal blah blah no rings blah blah

  • Dave

    Eboy, your kids are doomed to sleeping in the doghouse if they’re not multiple All-Stars, aren’t they?

    As for Rick Barry… how’s your D?

  • Young Chris MP3

    Ciolkstar’s 3:29pm comment: Imagine Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, Kareem, or anyone else in the history of the game defending or posting up Shaq in his prime. Diesel wins.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    @Young Chris….:you are THAT young after all…(M.J has Hakeem over SHAQ and Robert Horry who played with both of them in their prime has also Hakeem over SHAQ…of course neither Robert nor M.J are young…)

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Young Chris, that’s what bugs me about Shaq a bit. Everybody agrees that he’s the most dominant blablabla but Dream used to give him the business back in the days. People tend to forget that. In fact, Dream owned Shaq AND Ewing AND D-Rob.

  • neibo

    tha dream dominates easily over shaq….its a non-issue…

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    Hakeem is propably this generations Elgin Baylor.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Hakeem was infintely better on defense than Elgin Baylor, and more beloved by his teammates.
    And he won rings.
    Although Elgin was still sick, their games weren’t even close.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Jukai
    Jordan’s jumper wasn’t really consistent until he came back in 1996. He could hit shots, particularly when he got hot, but he wasn’t outstanding from midrange. Even in 1993, his jumpers was still kind of flat, although he got incredible lift. He was just unstoppable going to rack. Go back and watch that 93 Finals where he averaged like 42, he was shooting nothing but layups, it was uncanny.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ ANTONIS FOTSIS

    @Allenp…:come on,i was talking in terms of greatness and how easily they were forgotten…you should have got this…you keep comparing players from different eras which is childish…(since Deron Williams is bigger, stronger,faster better shooter and all,you think of him as better than Cousy or Lamar over Petit…that’s plain silly).Once again: video-games are cool(i guess…)but there is a limit to everything.G-R-O-W U-P!!!!

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Allenp: Enough of this though. Everyone is inconsistent. Kobe still goes 5-15 some nights and never shoots over 50% a season, and isn’t he suppose to be the KING of jump shooting? Jordan pretty much stopped missing when he came back from retirement, sure, but his jumper was GREAT enough when he came out of college that I’d call it a nice jumper. No, he really DIDN’T have a three point shot and that took a long time to develop… but his midrange game was always great. I know people have a way of overhyping Jordan as if he was a god, but you’re downplayin’ the dude a bit too much here.
    Quote from that classic Celtic’s game: “He’s got the shot of Jerry West and the drive of Elgin Baylor.” That was his second year in the league.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Antonis Fotsis: How old are you, like, 12? Allenp’s old enough to be your father, kid. By your logic, the GREATEST player in the game, who has hit every big shot on championship teams for over a decade: ROBERT HORRY!

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    I mean, what does it mean if Manu has lead his team to victories all over the world if “all over” meant the lesser teams in Europe? They couldn’t hold a candle to the teams over here.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    LeBron is clutch

  • tulsa

    What if Rick’s correct? Barry’s criticism doesn’t sound harsh…only constructive.

  • MacGyver

    it’s funny how everyone is saying that kobe is monster from jump shots..still there’s no way you can’t compare he’s efficiency to for example:steve nash’s,he’s way more better at everywhere,kobe just flashier/prettier..if lebron’s jump shot ain’t as good as kobe’s doesn’t mean he’s not better!!kobe has slight advance in jump shots,as for lebron has bigger at the basket..so that debate goes to lebron,as long as he makes the baskets with 50% fg effeciency doesn’t matter how he finish them..he’s jumper just get’s better by the time..the reign of king james has begun and you’re all witnesses.

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  • prof

    The only way a player can be ineffective using screens is by not moving past the screen close enough to the screener (you should practically rub shoulders with him)–this needless space allows the defender to slip through the screen. LeBron does seem guilty of this at times, but so does almost everyone in the NBA. There seems to be an attitude like, “I’m so great offensively, you can’t expect me to use screens, or if I use them, I’m not going to do it all out.” Even clowns in the local gym have the same attitude. So I guess Tony Parker and Tim Duncan are wasting their time (like Stockton and Malone did before them). Bottom line–LeBron’s an unbelievable player, best in the league right now, but he’s not perfect and if he’s really committed to being the best, what else would he do but work on his weak spots? Rick Barry, by the way, won an NBA title (so he has a little leverage to talk), and his will-to-win (not his skills) was comparable to MJ’s. I think that’s why he’s such a crab as a commentator–he hates seeing all the players with more skill than he ever had loaf their way to mediocrity. Not that that’s the case with LeBron.

  • DaBreezyOne

    LeBron is getting by b/c he has average skills and seemingly superhuman athleticism. I think the coaches are failing him and if you were in my circle of friends, you would know that I have been saying that Mike Brown should be fired. LeBron will not be the best ever under Coach Brown b/c he wants to be more a friend than a teacher/disciplinarian. LeBron now expects calls and when he doesn’t get them he cries like a baby. In all fairness to Brown, the NBA marketing machine is also partly to blame. Who decided that it was cool to call a boy King? I mean, seriously, how can a king defend his castle without a good defense? I would hate to see him try to guard a pissed off Kobe all game. It would be very ugly. No Lebron can’t play good defense, can’t move without the ball, doesn’t know when to use the “hop-step”, His shooting form could use some tweeking, he isn’t hungry as he should be, and the list can go on and on. So Rick Barry, I know exactly what you mean. I am also disappointed in the Cleveland coaching staff b/c Lebron should be the best ever by now.

  • Mitchell

    Lebron is the best physical specimen in the league, plays great defense nowadays, scores the most points in the paint, and leads all forwards in assists. It is rare that you see James use a screen to catch and shoot, he runs a great pick and pop with Ilgauskas. I don’t believe Rick was referring to Lebrons pick and roll ability but to his off the ball use of picks.
    James is average at shooting off of screens and excellent at everything else. I shoot midrange shots well and watch players technique and I see little wrong with James form, only with his jump shot results. Reggie Miller said that his own form was not perfect but that he had uncountable repetitions. Slick Rick was complementing James. Imagine if Lebron could shoot 15+ foot shots more consistently.

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