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Monday, January 12th, 2009 at 11:00 am  |  166 responses

Shaq Chooses Where He Wants His Jersey Retired

by Marcel Mutoni

Shaquile O’Neal, the self-proclaimed Most Dominant Ever, has left an indelible mark on four NBA franchises over the course of his career. But there’s really only one League venue where he’d like to be forever remembered.

Pressed to choose the one arena where he’d most like to see his jersey hung up near the rafters, Shaq picked L.A.

From ESPN:

“Hopefully it’ll be here,” he said, walking through the hallway in Staples Center. “I was part of the greatest one-two punch in Laker history. Hopefully they still remember that.”

“In a perfect world, I have four teams, I’d be the first guy standing there with all four jerseys, number retired in all four places. It’s not something I really think about. If I had my first wish, it would be here. Because when I first came here, I made the statement I would love to have my name next to Kareem and those greats.”

There’s no need to rehash the drama that took place between Shaq and members of the Laker organization here, but needless to say, it’ll take some fence-mending before this jersey-hanging takes place. Which, all told, is pretty incredible, considering the guy did play a huge role in bringing three titles to the team.

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  • Squirrel7

    Anything to stay relevant…….

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    Orlando?

  • Gumdrop

    There’s no other place that would make sense.

  • The Seed

    Kobe and Shaq is greatest combo in history. Top 3 center with a top 2 shooting guard in history.

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T

    And Roger Clemens wants to go into the HOF as a Yankee ;)

  • Harlem_World

    Miami will retire his jersey too, just because they don’t have much else to retire. Riley retired Jordans jersey too, I think, so Shaq is a no-brainer. Definitely worthy of 3 teams, Suns will all depend on him leading them to win a ring, which is HIGHLY unlikely.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    It won’t be Miami…..unless he wins a ring in Phoenix somehow that’s not even an option…..Orlando….well, maybe….but the legend of his career was really cultivated in LA, so although there may not be an instantaneous rush to print up a 34 retirement banner….at some point…..maybe after 24 retires too…..they may retire them one season apart.

  • ENDS

    It most defenitly not be Orlando. He demoralized us when he left

  • Harlem_World

    Eboy, you don’t think Miami will retire the center-piece to your only championship year?

  • Harlem_World

    Barkley has his shirt retired in 2 different cites…

  • http://ldshoops.blogspot.com bakers’ dozen (12-13)

    Shaq should get his # retired in OKC…give the fans SOMETHIGN to root for.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Not unless Arison and Riley are both out of the organization, Harlem.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    He should get it retired in L.A. and Miami. Any time an all-time great brings your team a championship banner it’s deserved.

  • Harlem_World

    Time heals wounds and hurt feelings though…

  • Young Chris MP3

    It’ll be retired the day he retires. Orlando too (which is why nobody else has ever worn #32 since he left). I think it’ll be retired in Miami as well.

  • http://hypebeast.com Spaceship Jay

    “It most defenitly not be Orlando. He demoralized us when he left”

    “It most defenitly not be Los Angeles. He demoralized us when he left”

    “It most defenitly not be Miami. He demoralized us when he left”

    “It most defenitly not be Phoenix. He’s demoralizing us right now.”

  • http://hypebeast.com Spaceship Jay

    Good one Ends.

  • Todd Spehr

    I’m not so sure “fence-mending” is needed here – he’s arguably the most dominant Lakers center in history (the only one to lead a three-peat; he won three straight Finals MVPs) so there really should be no debate as to when his jersey goes up.

  • Todd Spehr

    Apologies for forgetting Mikan, he led a three-peat as well (’52-54)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    (This is the part of the comments where I tell people they’re wrong.)
    -Mutoni wrote: “It’ll take some fence-mending before this jersey-hanging takes place” Mutoni, you are wrong. Everybody will be over themselves in more than enough time for Shaq to get his jersey hung at Staples. This is beyond question.
    -The Seed wrote: “Kobe and Shaq is greatest combo in history.” The Seed, you are wrong. I mean, you theoretically could be right (possibly), but still, wrong.
    -Eboy wrote: “It won’t be Miami.” Eboy, you are wrong. Predictably, but nonetheless.
    -Young Chris wrote: “It’ll be retired the day he retires. Orlando too (which is why nobody else has ever worn #32 since he left). I think it’ll be retired in Miami as well.” Actually, you’re not wrong. Nice work agreeing with me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Some other people are wrong, too, but I’m kinda busy. Sorry.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    This is a done deal, It’d be insane for LA not to put the big fella’s jersey in the rafters. That adds one more HOF to the illustrious list they already have, and seriously, could you see Shaq’s jersey anywhere else?

  • Keith

    Greatest one-two punch in Laker history? Hmm..probably not.

  • Harlem_World

    Could be the first player to have his jersey retired in 3 franchises?

  • http://hypebeast.com Spaceship Jay

    He should ask Kobe how is @$$ taste at the ceremony.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Championship > Demoralized < Retired Jersey

  • Son of Shawn

    Why not in Miami?, they could retire his jersey, please correct me if I´m wrong, but I think they only retired Jordan´s 23 (so that´s not Boston with twentysomething jerseys hanging) and Shaq did a lot more than Jordan for the Heat. They have to recognize that thanks to Shaq they had a Champion´s banner in the roof (next to Jordan´s number); and maybe Wade won´t be there much longer to hang their jersey

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Keith is rucking fetarded.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hey B, ever heard of Jordan and Pippen?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    It is a matter of which team will he retire his jersey for 1st, LA will be right away then miami a few years later then Orlando right before he dies

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    B. Long, homie, are you implying that Magic & Kareem aren’t in the conversation? Wilt & West? Ceballos and Jet Ski?
    Ok, two of those were serious…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I just want to see the world burn.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Hey Tad did jordan and pippen ever play for the Lakers?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Ryan said on 1/9/09: The C’s will beat the Cavs. Book it. Or something ridiculous like that. That’s where his prognastacating prowess should end. Carry on.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Mmm… are we talking about Shaq here? There is absolutely no question that his jersey will be retired in Orlando AND Miami AND LA. Prolly not in PHX unless they go and win a ‘ship (which is not happening).

  • mike

    This is why I like it when players stick with a team their whole career. Magic, Bird, Reggie, Stocton, Dumars, Duncan, , David Robinson, Dirk. It makes the retiring thing easier.

  • Harlem_World

    Magic and Kareem…as legendary as they are, never got that 3peat.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Apparently, I need reading comprehension. Sorry. Carry on….

  • http://madpropstobakedpotatoes.com/?p=166 Brian Who Likes Airplanes

    Miami only retires football players and players who didn’t play for them, I thought.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    And Kareem was not that great when he was in LA, well he was great at the beginning but he did not dominate, it was Magic, Worthy, Cooper, Scott, Rambis that were the focal point of Showtime Kareem was more of a Shaq in Phx if the Suns were what D’Antoni tried to make them last year.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Eboy: That was a faux-prediction intended to jinx the Cavs to victory — and it f*cking worked. Admit you’re wrong on this one now, it’ll relax you for the rest of your day.
    Harlem: Five chips in nine years, all while battling the Bird/Celtics dynasty? I think it’s comparable, dude.

  • The Seed

    Ryan Jones, Kobe will go down behind Jordan as the greatest shooting guard ever and Shaq is behind Wilt and Russell to me as centers. So Top 2 Shooting guard in history and top 3 center in history playing together is not best one two combo, then what is. Come on give the lakers credit for three peat, it was hard for thme. had to beat Scottie-blazers, San Antiono, Jazz. Shaq only needs to be retired in LA, Orlando didn’t have shaq long enough and Dallas gave Miami that championship by bad coaching by Avery Johnson.

  • Harlem_World

    Ryan, strength of schedule wins through. You don’t have to go far to convince me Magic/Kareem over Kobe/Shaq. Magic is a superior winner to both of them, in my opinion. Though many will disagree, Kareem was a better ball player than Shaq too. Shaq is more physically dominant, but even with that, did he ever have a more dominant weapon than the sky hook? Hayell naw.

  • Tyrone Shoelaces

    The heat definitely need to retire some more jerseys, MJ and Dan Marino? really. They do gotta retire Eddie Jones #6 tho, get something up there, plus mario chalmers wearing that # throws me off. and if it wasn’t for LBJ i’d say ‘gretzky’ mike’s number to make the heat retiring his number kind of make sense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    You said “Scottie-blazers.” Good one. Also, Hakeem Olajuwon just called…
    Shaq gets three retirement ceremonies. Mark it.

  • Harlem_World

    LMAO…’Scotties Blazers’??? GTFOH with that bullsh*t. LMFAO…Magic is the greatest pg of all time and there is a strong argument that Kareem is the greatest center of all time. Plus as illustrated, they had to beat ‘better’ to win what they did.

  • Tyrone Shoelaces

    so i vote ‘yay’ in terms of retiring shaq’s jersey in L.A and Miami.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    yeah the baby hook, and kareem’s dominance was fading when Magic got there he only averaged a double double with magic johnson 1 time. Shaq & Kobe >>>> Magic & Kareem – it would be different if started when kareem first got to LA but that is not the case

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    if *magic* started when kareem first got to LA*

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    2 times my bad

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    and shaq and kobe never got bounced in the 1st round either. Kareem and Magic did in the Apex of their dominance as a tandem

  • Harlem_World

    You can’t measure Kareem’s greatness on his numbers alone…but if you want to go there…he is a SIX time NBA Champion and SIX time league MVP, TEN time All-NBA first team, FIVE time All-Defensive first team and ALL TIME LEADING SCORER. Plus no *ss taste youtube videos, which has got to count for something.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    My week-after-New Years-resolution is not to get involved in any more extended arguments with unbending, perspective-challenged slamonline commenters. Enjoy your week.

  • The Seed

    Joking with Scottie-blazers. come on folks.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I like the term “perspective-challenged”.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    I know kareem is great but he did most of those things without Magic for example of his 10 all defensive team selections 7 came before magic, of his all nba team selections 7 of his 11 first team came before magic 3 of his 5 2nd team came before magic, he was only top 10 in mvp voting with magic, I am open to changing my opinion but I am gonna need some strong evidence

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    disregard the top ten in mvp voting line he was there every year

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    @Ryan:All of those guys are all-time greats but neither Wilt and West or Magic and Kareem played with each other in their prime. You could argue that Kobe wasn’t quite in his prime during that run either but his otherworldly athletism would still trumph the others.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Mike and Pip are the only ones in the conversation. Your right, Tad.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    and as much as you tag “commentaters” as “perpective-challenged” when was the last time you admitted you were wrong to anybody Ryan? Go ahead i’ll wait

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    This I know.

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Top 50? This summer?

  • wilz

    thank god he’s gone, conversation is much more interesting when Ryan Jones isnt here to turn everything into an argument…unless he lied and he still has this article as his homepage…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Wilz has to be NBK.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    i would not thank god for anything on this site or any site. even if i was using another name but i don’t even know what wilz means

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Yeah, the convo got scintillating after I left…

  • http://www.bbl.org.uk Josh D

    He’ll get the jersey Hung in LA, maybe Orlando and Miami, but probably not the Valley of the Sun

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    Having Shaq’s ass hanging over Kobe’s head every home game? Priceless.

  • underdog

    Shaq has left an indelible mark on four NBA franchises? I think he only left a mark on the Lakers. Maybe Orlando too.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    because miami didn’t win their only title with him

  • http://docfunk.blogspot.com Doc Funk

    Somewhere, Rick Fox is admiring his jersey hanging on a wall at a local Applebees

  • http://www.kavafis.gr/lections/content.asp?id=50&author_id= Nikos Zisis

    Although Shaq is definitelly top-20 of all time it would be nice to see him tortured a little bit until he gets his number retired for all his arrogance and s….d behavior all those years….

  • Young Chris MP3

    Jones made me laugh today.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Hmmm, greatest one two punch of all time? West/Wilt, Magic/Kareem or Shaq/Kobe?

  • AlbertBarr

    Doc Funk, that sh– is hilarious.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Everybody is arguing the Shaq/Kareem angle, but nobody has bothered to discuss that in his prime, Magic was better than Kobe was with Shaq. Magic was considered the best in the league for a huge chunk of his time in L.A., with Kareem still being one of the league’s top centers. To me, Magic tilts the greatest combo argument well into he and Kareem’s favor.
    Also, West and Wilt need to be discussed. They both were near the end of the their careers, but Wilt’s numbers at the end of his career were still bananas.

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    Yeah i take Mag and Kareem, 5 chips in 10 years against Bird’s C’s, Doc’s Sixers and the bad Boys trumps Shaq and Kob’s 3…The real old boys can argue over the Wilt and West era..

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    FINALLY……………….someone that knows about basketball before the turn of the 20th Century. Thanks for that Allen. No one really knows just how great Buck was unless they saw him play entire games….not just Youtube clips and sh*t. Unquestionably one of the top 10 players of all time and maybe it’s greatest leader. Kareem was also one of the top 10 players and was hugely respected by his teammates…….both Shaq and Kobe should have kept a bit of humility about them and they could have won a few more. Alas, they fu*ked themselves since both were primma donnas and neither was uncompromising when they both needed it the most. Now, going on 5 seasons later….Shaq is in the twilight of his career with a sh*t reputation for destroying squads and Kobe has failed time and again by trying to be the “man” on his own since his “big brother” left, something his mental makeup, not his talent, won’t allow him to be. I’d take Magic and Kareem all day, everyday.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    21st Century….sorry.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Dammit, Eboy’s making sense.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Sorry, Ryan, I’ll go away now. I know NBK will be here shortly to disect my words and send me into a mental tailspin.

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    Add to the argument, Magic won his first as a rookie with a rookie head coach…

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    James Worthy had a lot to do with those wins. E and Allen make good points though.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Are we talking all time on the Lakers only? If not, MJ and Pip did quite well for themselves.

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    If we are talkin all time, MJ and Pip have to be the best one two punch, by a stretch too….

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yes, B, and the Shaq/Kobe Lakers weren’t filled with the best role players in the league at that time, not that James was a role player, but in all honesty, the Lakers with Worthy, Magic, Kareem, Coop, Byron, Rambis etc. would have rolled the 2000 version of the Lake Show.

  • Mike

    Who would win in a game of one-on-one, magic or kobe? I’d pick kobe because i think he is a better defender. Now what about the two-on-two game between kobe/shaq and magic/kareem?

  • Mike

    Kobe and shaq also have more combined Olympic Gold Medals in basketball against the whole world. That has to count for something.

  • Mike

    Yes, I know they didn’t win them together.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Magic would post Kobe all day. Kobe would get to the basket pretty easily against Magic. That’s a wash.

    The thing is, Magic would get Kareem the ball in a great spot everytime, the same could not be said for 24 and Diesel. And once Kareem hit a few skyhooks on Shaq, the frustration would build and then sh*t would go south for Kobe/Shaq….imo.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    That is the problem with today’s NBA; I could give two sh*ts who would win in a one-on-one battle between KB and Magic.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    There’s that.

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    Not really, cause pro’s weren’t playing Olympic ball in Mag and Kareem’s day

  • Boston Baller

    Shaq is not dominant any more (He is in spurts) but he IS still relevant. More so than a lot of starting centers that are playing now, come on, just because you don’t like or care for a player personally doesn’t mean they are irrelevant or that they stink. The L is all about publicity so it is not a stretch to think his Jersey will be retired in 4 cities. He took Orlando to their only appearance in The Finals, He was a major factor in Miami’s only Title, LA is a given and Phoenix will not want to be left out. lol.

    T. Crook

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Here’s the thing that makes me think Kobe and Shaq would take Magic and Kareem. If you asked Magic or Kareem they would both tell you that Kobe and Shaq are better players. I’ve heard it come out of their mouth with my own ears.

  • Boston Baller

    How did Shaq destroy teams? He has been a winner and leaving a team doesn’t constitute destroying the team. He left Orlando to win Chips in LA and Penny became injury prone (Not Shaq’s fault or problem) He left LA (Not entirely all on him) and won a Chip in Miami. Wade got hurt (Not Shaq’s fault or problem) He left Miami (whose doing?) He is now in Phoenix and will NOT win a Chip but is still somewhat of a force. If he retires from Phoenix does that mean he destroys them too. lol

    Have fun folks. T. Crook

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    Thats a retired Mag and Kareem talking..In the midst of their playing days with the competitive juices flowing it’d be a different story i’d reckon..

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Another reason I like Magic and Cap more: humility. Thanks for reminding me, B.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    The Lakers had 0 other HOF players during their 3-peat, the 80′s Lakers had Worthy, Kareem and Magic were booted out of the 1st rnd the year after they won the title and never 3-peated but who blames them (damn celtics). Magic>Kobe SHaq> Kareem in my opinion. Longevity wise Magic and Kareem but at the peak of their performances Kobe and Shaq were more dominant. But the Era’s are huge, style of play is huge there is no way to really tell.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Playing devils advocate for the moment, NBK actually makes a lot of sense. I’m going to cry myself to sleep now….

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    If your asking me who I like more as a person Magic and Cap both win, Tad.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I thought we were just arguing on the Lakers, not the best one-two punches of all time.
    Also, the Lakers had a stupid deep team and would have rolled every other championship team since Jordan’s Bulls.
    And, they probably would have rolled the bulls of 97 and 98.
    Just my thoughts.

  • Mike

    Great point EBOY, I forget about Magic’s size advantage over Kobe. Plus, if free throw shooting was involved in this 2-on-2 game. Magic/kareem would win in a blowout. I change my position and vote for Magic/kareem.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    I think the 97 & 98 bulls would have mind-f**k’d the lakers especially Jordan against Kobe – And isn’t the fact that they would roll every other title team the reason we are comparing them to the 80′s Lakers.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    in terms of dominance for their era’s i mean. Not the reason we are comparing best 1-2 punch

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’ll take Michael Cooper and Kurt Rambis.

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    Who is Phil coaching in the Bulls Lakes hypothetical matchup?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    phil with hips is coaching the Bulls – half phil half machine is coaching the lakers.

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    NBK..The lakers main rivals in the 80′s all had multiple H.O.F’s too..The era difference is big like you said

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    yeah well those lakers had 3 of the top 50 of all time (as rated by the NBA not me) is that more satisfying? And so did the Lakers main competition arguably (spurs – duncan and robinson)

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I don’t think Shaq is better than Kareem.
    Kareem dominated the league like few before him. He and Oscar won a ring in Milwakee! And that was just his second year, if I’m not mistaken.
    He made them change the rules in college. He was just as dominant as Shaq and he did it with a combination of power and skill. Plus, he went against better comp. I’m not cool with ceding the better center argument to Shaq.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    NBK
    I’m talking about the 80s Lakers rolling every other team. Not Shaq and Kobe.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    And, Magic with Kareem was clearly better than Kobe with Shaq. Maybe not better than Kobe in his absolute prime, maybe, but when Magic and Kareem were killing it, Magic was a better individual player than Kobe.
    Magic gave MJ fits when Jordan tried to guard him in 1991, so much so that the Bulls had to switch Pippen on to him. Now, if Magic was giving ’91 Jordan fits in the twilight of Magic’s career, than I think he would have dismantled Kobe.

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    Celts had 4 top 50 of all time in their 80′s squads..Bird, Walton, Mchale and Parrish NBK..@Allenp, i was hoping you were talkin bout the 80′s lakes rollin everyone,but i still don’t know bout em rollin the 97-8 Bulls

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    i was referring to interconference rivals when i said the HOF comment. i am still stuck on the fact that the Lakers lost in the 1st round in 81 (or82?) My fault Allen I misread what you meant when you said since the Jordan Bulls my fault. But sayin Magic with Kareem was CLEARLY better then Kobe w/ Shaq is false, effinciency wise Kobe/Shaq were clearly better. If you had Kareem in his Prime with Magic in His prime i would agree but that never happened and I can’t judge the tandem on what could have been only on what actually happened. And in terms of two players adding together (while they were together) Kobe & Shaq were more productive as a pair. Choosing which you would rather have can go on all day

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    Kareem was pretty close to his prime in 1980 i’d reckon..MVP i think.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    he was but magic was not in his prime yet either, and that year is not good evidence to judge the better TANDEM considering Magic was finals MVP and did everything humanly possible to win game 6 w/out kareem. the w/out kareem thing is huge especially when you consider what i have already said a handful of times they were eliminated from the 1st round the next year by a team that finished under .500 (although the 1st round was 5 games-but the rockets made the finals so it doesn’t really matter)

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    Yeah fair call prob not the best eg. Kareem was still pretty good in the early 80′s though..

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Kareem was still great don’t get me wrong but he was not dominating like he used to, it was the Magic and Co show featuring Kareem compared to the Shaq & Kobe show featuring Phil Jackson and Co. kind of

  • Boston Baller

    The biggest difference in the two tandems is that the competition was tougher in the Magic/Kareem era and with all of the rules to “make the game better” the Shaq/Kobe era is soft which inflates their numbers and dominance. I loved both combos.

    T. Crook

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    The thing that i think will make most fans favour the 80′s Lakers is the coach. Kobe and Shaq were lost without Phil..While Kareem and Magic’s teams turned young coaches into winners..

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Westhead got lucky and Riley is the only other coach they had that won. You could argue since Riley came after 81 (when they lost to the rockets) that he was the person that put them back into title town. The coaches were equally instrumental espsecially considering Riley created showtime and phil created the triangle the two most influential offensive strategies ever.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I can see NBK’s argument.
    Kareem wasn’t in his prime when Magic came, even though I think he was a better player than Shaq over the course of his career.
    It’s an argument, because Magic was clearly better than Kobe, while Shaq was clearly better than Kareem. It’s an interesting discussion.

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    Magic was probably more influential on Riley than vice-versa though, showtime run and gun doesn’t exist without Magic at the helm, where the triangle was around long before Kobe and Shaq.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    The ERA argument is the most intruiging to me- put this little idea in your pipe and smoke it (not really kids don’t smoke its bad) what if you flip flopped kareem and shaq’s careers – let me explain Kareem played in the rugged beat the sh*t out of each other era and Shaq played in the “finesse” (or michael jordan aftermath) era what if those two played opposites Shaq would have fit in perfect with the 70′s-80′s style and Kareem would have been the perfect weapon in the late 90′s early 00′s. Just an idea it has no barring on any of my judgment

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    gotta go to the bank though people tryin to steal money have a good day fellow contributors

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Shaq’s number will absolutely be retired in Orlando, Los Angeles and Miami, and the jury’s still out on Phoenix (but it doesn’t look good). The big question is this: Will the Lakers retire both 8 and 24 for Kobe? The way I see it, they HAVE to retire 8, because he wore it during the championship runs. And presuming he stays a Laker for his entire career, they’ll have to retire 24 as well. Has any player ever gotten two numbers retired by the same team? I can’t remember.

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    Centers these days (particularly someone Shaq’s size) have it tougher i reckon. With zone d and the dotted half circle, offensive foul area under the hoop (what do you call that?). An era switch would probably favour both players. Look at Wilt’s numbers back then, Shaq is arguably as dominant as he was.Prob a fair call NBK.

  • http://jamescleaton@ning.com jaymes

    Dunno Russ, they’d prob just pick one number. The Lakes and C’s will be runnin out of no’s soon. I’m not looking forward to the era when players are wearing no.36 and 58 and ordinary looking numbers like that.

  • http://www.friendster.com/sesa Sesa

    I think he deserved to have his jersey retired in 3 franchises.
    Orlando: Establish himself as a dominant force.
    Lakers: Became the King of NBA.
    Magic: Proving the critics wrong.

  • http://www.friendster.com/sesa Sesa

    I mean the Heat, not Magic

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    They’ll retire both.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    he’s real hard to just ignore…..
    Kareem wasn’t dominant at LA..??? Yeah 2nd all time scoring leader was coasting for 4 years…

  • Harlem_World

    Damn, convo picked up since I left…Just a point on NBK comment about Magic playing with other HOF’s during the run – did you ever consider that MAGIC made them HOF’s?? I remember when Magic retired from HIV, the following season the Lakers key players FG% dropped DRAMATICALLY (10% in some cases), which tells us one thing…Magic got his guys (Worthy, Coop, Scott) easy shots all game. He is perhaps the only equal to MJ in terms of being an out and out WINNER, and unquestionably the best of all times at making his team mates better.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    It’s pointless to compare people from different eras. Greatness is determined by how you murdered your OWN competition, how above the field you were in your own era.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    That’s why MJ is the GOAT. Dudes were straight scared to go up against him and were VERY careful not to say anything that could motivate him.
    Kobe had 3 years as the Alpha Dog in the league : from 2004-2005 to 2006-2007. In retrospect, people will agree that LBJ started to be the best player in the L in 2007-2008. I feel very strongly about this.
    What I’m trying to say is Magic and Kareem beasted more that Shaq and Kobe.

  • Nbk

    W more help and more years against harder competition every positive is ruled out by another positive when comparing the tandems

  • From out of Nowhere

    Possibility of Shaq having his jersey number retired on all four teams he’s played for at this point: MAGIC – probably, even if they haven’t retired a number for any player yet (why not Penny Hardaway?) HEAT – The Heat were desperate to retire a number and Rony Seikaly didn’t cut it, so they retired Jordan’s for “contributions.” It’ll happen. LAKERS – I see it happening, but it wouldn’t be surprised if it happened YEARS after the Magic and Heat gave Shaq the honor. SUNS – Maybe. They did retire Barkley’s number, but then again, Barkley helped them reach the finals, so…

  • Nbk

    And he won an MVP the franchises first, he was the first suns player to represent tehm in the olympics too

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I think that the arguement about Kobe+Shaq vs. magic+kareem is kinda silly. There have to be guidelines.
    Also, are people forgetting that Kobe in 02 was NOT as great a player as he is now?
    What I mean is, are we judging guys off their whole time with the franchise e.g. 1980-1991+ and 1996-2004 (or whenever it is) or is it done over the title winning period? I would take K+Shaq in 02 over the Magic+Kareem final title, but not anything before that.

  • http://www.amazon.com/Hitchhikers-Guide-Galaxy-Full-Cast-Dramatization/dp/160283511X/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231825516&sr=8-4 fourtytwo

    Big Fella, welcome home. If you want to come back, we’d love to have the most dominant Laker ever hanging among the rafters with our other hall of fame centers.

    You were unstoppable and Quotatious-alicious. If you had just been a little more health conscious, ah, well, let’s not get greedy. Thanks again, Shaq.

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    Whatever happens, this has serious KB24/Shaq endless rivalry potential. So they retire l’il warrior’s jersey, probably before Kobe’s and Mambiatch has to play under the jersey for a few more years. I’m sure he’d love that. The slab of beef might just flip out one evening and go up there on a crane, armed to the teeth screaming Shaqobscenities down at the crowd.

  • Nbk

    i’ve been wondering for a few days- does anybody ever know what darksaber is talking about?

  • Washtub

    I think LA’s an absolut given, and it won’t be long after he retires.
    Remember how fast Pippen got his number up in the Bulls rafters and that was one STRAINED relationship

  • http://www.kayceonline.com/blog/ Kevin

    i can see Shaq having his jersey retired in both LA & Miami.. yes, he was dominant in Orlando too, but he didn’t really accomplish much there, which is why i think he deserves to be up in the rafters in the AAA as well as the Staples center.. but, the main thing i wanted to say is: i’m sickened that in just about every “greatest center in NBA history” debate, a certain Hakeem Olajuwon is always overlooked.. Ryan (who gets points in my book – completely useless points) excepted, allllll of you get the gasface.

  • #6marjons

    good on him, lakers would be foolish not to and it’d show their pettiness, i think they should

  • Boston Baller

    I like the flip flopping of players and eras. Magic would dominate in both as would Kobe & Kareem. Shaq would do the same back in the day but since it was so rough he would get fouled a bit more and recent success aside he would hurt his teams in the playoffs with his foul shootinging from the charity stripe…

  • The Dream

    Why would Orlando retire his jersey. I remember watching Hakeem Olajuwon teach Shaq how a REAL center plays ball.

    Anyway, why are we talking about this. Shaq will continue to be a bad rapper and a super-cop regardless of where his jersey is retired.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    This is pointless.

  • donlaker

    after shaq dissed l.a. and played the victim(buss crybaby)
    he needs to wait til 10 years after he retires
    to even think about hanging next to kareem
    until shaq can move his feet he deserves to be hung up like charles barkley in a phoenix jersey
    on some northern wall at tempe stadium or whatever they call that corporate arena in arizona.

  • donlaker

    as far as orlando ask lil penny if big cactus should be there… and ask pat riley if they should hang shaq up (gift title from avery /dirk/and cuban) and phil jackson is laughing somewhere in a hotel room
    rambis and cooper should be hung up before, shaq is even considered shaq hated l.a when he left and how does my jersey taste /benadict arnold
    pay me my money or the yard won’t be guarded
    and get surgery on your toe on company time.
    i sold both your jerseys i dont want them in my collection anymore shaq is waq

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    someone seems frustrated wow

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    not as much as you, nbk-peabrain. Don’t you bother about what i’m talking about, just keep on writing your dimwit views on B-ball in 30 comments per post or more. That monologue suits you just fine, playa.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    does anybody know what not as much as you meant? and i’ll post as much as i want, for someone who has dimwit views i havent had anybody disagree with me in a few days. Nobody even says anything when you post because nobody knows what your talking about.

  • donlaker

    nbk and darksaber should just take it to the court , you can only play in shaq’s $25 shoes and the winner gets 4 fatburgers (i saw shaq eat 4 in 10 min in 2004 at all star weekend)now if his jersey is in a fatburger hanging from the wall that would be pretty cool

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    i would trash darksaber especially in some shaq shoes

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I think watching nbk play basketball would be amusing actually. In any kind of footwear.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I’m thinking that nbk would argue with referees durng the game, you know those whiny comments like…”over the back ref!?!?” [when he gets outjumped for a rebound], or “watch his hands!?!?” [when he tries his little patented 'slow little spin dribble' and gets striped at the top of the key].
    Yeah I know how you go at it custodian.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    And crab dribble. I’m sure you love the crab dribble.

  • Rob Wells Jr.

    Its right that the Daddy choose L.A. He did the most damage there. Threepeat? Come on.

  • donlaker

    you have to have a contract extension to get a crab dribble call dacre…

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    *sigh*: the lonely boy who has no real life friends is proud to stir up the pot, because he makes stupid points to rile up the (comments) masses, THEN he brags about it. Need i go on? Ah well. never.been.kissed, you are irrelevant to me, so go look for beef with some other guys in here okay?

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    Oh and nbk? Priding yourself on the number of reactions you get to your comments on slamonline? That’s like 20% of the US populatin still giving Dubya the benefit of the doubt….sad!
    and now back to my regularly scheduled program of ignoring you.

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 3:33 pm
    Nbk is hustling, I respect that. If I may really act like a 35-year-old and try and offer some friendly, if unsolicited, advice to a college-age reader: Try not to be so immovably certain about sh*t, man. Slamonline appreciates your patronage, and a good debate is always encouraged — but you’ll probably have more fun with it (and in life in general) if you can avoid thinking you KNOW so much.
    If you find this advice genuine and at all helpful, cool. If not, blame my vagina.

  • funkyfresh

    Hey Mike, I guess you forgot that Dirk was drafted by Milwaukee and traded to Dallas. Not so common knowledge, I guess.

  • Blinguo

    Greatest NBA “1-2 punch?” Charlie Ward on Kobe. That’s why he disappeared. The NBA retired him.
    Or somewhat more realistically Tractor Traylor and LeBron. “Yes!!” -Marv Albert

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