Wednesday, January 28th, 2009 at 2:02 pm  |  53 responses

The Dirt On Trade Rumors

Making rumors is easy. Making trades is tough.

by John Krolik

So, it’s that time of the year again…trade rumor season! Dutiful fans probably have Amar’e Stoudemire or Raymond Felton sugarplums dancing in their heads. NBA heads are cooking up numerous proposals that will have their team in the championship hunt in no time. After all, it worked in NBA 2K9.

But why do managers rarely act on trades that we think make perfect sense? As you probably know, trade rumors almost always have major flaws. Let’s break down four common trade assumptions to understand why playing GM isn’t as easy as some may think.

1. Having an expiring contract affords as much leverage as having an antidote to a slow-acting poison.

Fans generally believe opposing GMs are thrilled at the opportunity to get rid of big contracts for essentially useless players and the opportunity to spend money on future players. There’s also a general feeling that teams without a shot at the championship exist for the sole purpose of giving good teams their best players.

But the thought of teams going free-agent crazy with expiring money is hilarious—only one max-contract free agent signing has ever led his team to a championship. Other than the summer of 2010 (when LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Larry Bird, and a new-model Terminator sent back in time in order to play basketball and the sky shall turn purple and the nonbelievers will be blinded), few teams will be thrilled to try for the huge free agent fish, especially when most wouldn’t have the cap space.

Example: The Cavs have a massive expiring contract in the form of Wally Szczerbiak, who is a terrible fake European player. I fully believe the Cavs should target Amar’e Stoudemire for Wally’s contract and a few extra things. Phoenix isn’t winning the championship anytime soon, right? And with that expiring contract, there’s like a 35 percent chance the Suns could sign Carlos Boozer when he opts out! Boozer’s almost as good as Amar’e and almost fits Phoenix’s system! No-brainer! This makes sense in my head.

2. GMs will offer whatever you desire if you include a young, talented player.

There is no fear like trading a player and watching him blossom and go off for the next five years. Watching a guy you expected to blossom into a star do it for another team is the worst kind of pain there is. Fans tend to fear this pain so much that they elevate their own players to the status of demigods in trade proposals.

Back to the Cavaliers. An example of this type of player is Daniel Gibson. He came into the League as a spot-up 3-point shooter, and a very good one. But he also had blinding foot speed and absolutely great ball handling ability. Fans Baby Amar'eassumed Boobie was two years from learning to see the court and get to the hole. They also thought he would develop into JET Terry or Mike Bibby, at worst.

In his third year, Gibson is a very good 3-point shooter who occasionally tries to drive the hole and shoot a floater—which he misses—and who still has no court vision. But when Gibson gave everyone those JET flashes, we wouldn’t have traded him for anybody.

Now, back to the ridiculous Wally-for-Amar’e proposal. The Cavs have a young J.J. Hickson, who looks like one of the sleeper success stories in the Draft. He’s an absolutely ridiculous athlete with a massive wingspan and springs, who can fly down the court. He’s got soft hands and is a born shot-blocker. He’s shown some extremely patient moves to lose the defender and finish in traffic around the basket. We’ve seem beautiful quick face-up cuts off passes and even a smooth mid-range stroke. In my mind, Hickson will have a Leon Powe-type impact in the Playoffs and has a baby Amar’e potential. I would be reluctant to give up Hickson in a Stoudemire trade, but would probably do so begrudgingly. (Rest assured, there are many Cavs fans who would not.)

3. Non-lottery picks don’t matter and can be thrown around like pennies in a pool.

Some people are willing to disregard a non-lottery pick as an added bonus for a one-season rental of a player like Brad Miller. But is overpaying a player for a half-season worth the rights to a guy like Tyler Hansborough, who could possibly play for a decade? Even Taj Gibson, who would be considered a reach in the late-first round, is—in the opinion of a USC homer—definitely a rotation big in the NBA for a number of years.

4. The Gasol trade happened, so any trade is possible.

Actually, I guess it kind of does mean anything is possible. Hop on that trade checker and dare to dream, everybody!

John Krolik is a columnist for SLAM who also writes for Cavs: The Blog and Free Darko. He studies creative writing at USC.

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  • Ken

    I think the 4th point is the one that gives most fans hope.

  • Diesel

    great article about nothing

  • a_whiteman

    If amar’e went to cleveland it would officially be a wrap!!!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I still have no idea why JJ freakin Hickson gets some much love? Sorry, don’t see it.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    The Suns would be crazy to trade Amare to Cleveland for Sexy Back.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    yeah that was weird too even bring up especially when your talking about making RUMORS and trades….you made a rumor, and a terrible one at that

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    TAD: Hickson is only 19 and, while undersized, has more atheleticism than a guy like Millsap who’s been doing big things with increased minutes. I can see why Cavs fans are excited by his potential.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    I thnk Tad was referring to him being compared to Amar’e, and John trying to justify an Amar’e trade to cleveland by involving JJ……which did not work and overhypes hicksons ability

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    Great post, always enjoy your input John.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hmmm, I just don’t see it. Hey, Hickson may have a ton of potential, but I don’t see anything special about him, especially a talent so special that Cavs fans would think twice about trading his for a stud like Amare. I mean, I love Jason Maxiell, but if the Suns called tomorrow asking for him in an Amare trade, he’ll be eating babies somewhere else by the evening.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    eating babies tad- you just turned maxiell into a homosexual, i don’t know if that was intentional but it was funny

  • neaorin

    I’m not sure Amare is the final piece for the Cavs. If he’s not having fun in Phoenix I can’t imagine him liking the Cavs’ defensive footprint that much. Also, if you start him and Z you have serious interior defensive issues. Of course all this is irrelevant because that trade won’t happen, Gasol trade or no Gasol trade.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Neaorin you don’t know anything about BIG Z and defense man do some homework

  • neaorin

    And I can vouch for the Cavs fans liking Hickson a lot, but if a Wally-Hickson-for-Amare deal came along there’d be a line in front of JJ’s house to help him pack.

  • neaorin

    nbk: Big Z is pretty good at defending the pick-and-roll because he shows hard and is 7’3 which usually prevents passes to the guy rolling to the basket. But other than that his lateral movement is really bad and if there’s any dribble penetration he’s in big trouble (one of the reasons Big Ben has been so important to their success so far).

  • neaorin

    And since we’re talking trade rumors… Michael Reghi said this morning on the radio that Ferry has had talks with Utah about… Boozer. How about that one huh?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Uhm Z protects the basket, is lateral quickness only plays a role on pick n rolls, which is the real reason they got Big Ben. Also ben helps guard quicker 4′s but Z is so improtant to the Cavs defense because of how many shots he changes and blocks at the Rim.. Z is probably top 5 defensive centers in the NBA.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    NBK: g00gle “Jason Maxiell eating babies” to understand what I meant. No homo.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    o ok my bad

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    TAD- Do you have one of those shirts?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Naw NBK, but they are pretty great. I think i’m too old for something like that anyway.

  • Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques Wamutombo

    diesel is right

  • neaorin

    nbk: this is not 2004. The guy hardly ever jumps anymore. The last time he tried to jump in order to block a shot he landed on Donyell Marshall’s foot and rolled his ankle. Varejao is a much better low post defender than Z. And if there’s dribble penetration it’s usually Big Ben’s job to block the shot, or AV’s job to take the charge because Z can’t recover in time. Now if you take out Big Ben or AV and put in Amare – who is going to prevent the layup? Because it sure as hell won’t be Z.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    NEAORIN- the rim is 10 feet high for everyone. Standing straight up and down big Z TOUCHES THE RIM. No matter how high he jumps he is at the required height against almost everyone first. Big Z may not block as many shots as he used to but he sure as hell changes more shots than Wallace and Amar’e combined. You don’t watch enough Cavs games to understand what I am talking about

  • neaorin

    Also: Superman, Okafor, Biedrins, Kaman (when healthy), Camby (ditto), Dalembert, Shaq, KPerkins, Horford… all of them are better defensive centers than Z right now. I’m probably missing a couple more. Z’s main contributions to the Cavs are on the offensive end. It’s been that way for a number of years now.

  • neaorin

    nbk: I’ve watched their every game this season except for that opener in Boston and the loss in Chicago earlier this month. Anyway, If we’re to believe the man himself, he’ll be going against Howard tomorrow night. So let’s wait and see.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Uhm Z just came off an injury and Howard is a whole different monster then a normal center. tomorrow will show you nothing.. Saying Kaman, Perkins, and Shaq are better then Z on d is reaching—big time. Dalembert maybe, but i know you have not watched every cav’s game but those two thats not true and its obvious.

  • neaorin

    Well it’s good to find out that you know better than me what I’ve watched and what I haven’t – but since you brought up Shaq, tell me why am I “reaching big time” with Shaq? Z alters shots around the basket simply because he’s tall even though he doesn’t jump and a guy in a wheelchair could easily go around him – but Shaq does NOT alter nearly as many shots because…?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Well A- Zydrunas is taller AND has longer arms
    B- Shaq is just as slow as Z (especially when you factor in how lazy shaq is
    C- I have watched 20 or so cleveland games and have seen every single suns game
    D- When Z is in the cavs hold teams to 7 points less then when he is out—-compared to when Shaq is out Phoenix’s defense gives up the same amount of points (82games)

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    And if you have watched every cleveland game except two you would not be ignorant enough to say Big Ben is who protects the rim for the Cavs. ANd if you have been watching the games you have bein either intoxicated or distracted the whole time

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    don’t try and use a block statistic with me right now, i am full aware ben averages more blocks, but i am also aware that wallace guards the post players with the ball and Z guards the hoop.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I think the “Wally for Amare” thing was a joke. Also it says Krolik wites for Cavs: The Blog. Hence, his wishful thinking (and focus on the Cavs, ie JJ Hickson, Wally…)

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    did not see that he works for the Cavs. But still thats a dumb joke when your whole article is about the difference between rumors and trades.

  • neaorin

    I wasn’t looking at explaining Big Ben over Z to you since you specifically asked for centers and Big Ben is what, 6’9, but c’mon… anytime a guard gets in the paint he mainly has to be careful not to get blindsided by either Wallace or LeBron, and/or not to run into Varejao for the offensive foul. And FWIW the Cavs give up more points with Varejao than without him, I guess AV needs to bring his defense up to par eh? Hint: big Z has almost NEVER been thrown out there without Ben or AV (and LeBron for most of the time), whereas Varejao often plays with JJ Hickson (a sub-par defender right now) and the second unit. You can’t just throw numbers – and insults – at people and expect them to understand.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Uhm Zydrunas plays 26 minutes a game, anderson plays 28. Thats more MINUTES for ANDERSON and the CAVS GIVE UP 7 MORE POINTS WITH Z OUT. You don’t get it, if your that STUPID (i don’t care if you are offended or whatever your being an idiot) that you can not see the advantages Z brings on defense there is no hope for you. And Ben Wallace can be classified as a center because he got DPOY some 4 times in a row as a center. Which is why Ben Wallace guards the best Post players on opposing teams while (for the 5th time) Zydrunas gaurds the RIM.

  • neaorin

    Funny, I was using 82games’ “Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.” stat which does’t care about minutes played, but whatever. I’ve explained it to you as best I could. Z is not a “good” defensive center at this point in his career. There are things he does well on defense, and things he sucks at but most of the latter are compensated for by the DEFENSIVE big man playing alongside him. Remember previous seasons when Z got beat into the paint and Gooden wouldn’t rotate properly and the Cavs would give up a layup? That’s not happening nearly as much this year. But put someone like Amare in there and it’s another story.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Your right Amar’e can’t guard Danny Schayes, the trade does not make sense anyway I don’t know why your reverting back to that. And I never said Ilguaskas is great at defense I said he is top 5 CENTERS. 5 Centers better than Z at d- Camby, Howard, *Duncan*, Horford (when healthy), (Okafor is preference), Dalembert, and Perkins is only better ON THE BALL. Preference wise I would rather have a center who changes shots at the Rim then one who can kinda of guard other centers. And according to my definition of Center there is only 4 centers better then Z. If TD is a center then Z is number 6. I could be forgetting someone but I don’t think i am.

  • neaorin

    Fine. There aren’t really a lot of “Real Centers”(TM) left in the League – notice that everyone’s having a hard time figuring out who should be backing up Howard in the All-Star Game. Hell, Z might’ve gotten in if he didn’t get hurt. A lot of teams like to play small nowadays, Cavs included. And I’m going back to the Amare idea because that’s what started it – me speaking about “defensive issues” with Z and Amare got you talking about Z’s “good” defense – well, that’s not gonna do you any good if you don’t have somebody else checking the player with the ball…

  • neaorin

    And FWIW (not directed to you), Amare to the Cavs would probably create even bigger offensive issues for them because now you’ve got five starters (with a healthy Delonte) screaming for the ball. The Cavs really need a BACKUP big, not a big-time scoring machine taking 15+ shots a game and making 15+ million a season (right now I’m pretending that Ben Wallace is being paid his fair market value).

  • Young Chris MP3

    nbk needs to be banned.

  • vegas

    what about the pistons and the hole iverson drama? Where should he go?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    Neaorin I never said Zydrunas was a great Center anywhere, I implied that it was only Centers he was better then by saying he was top centers.. There are probably 12-15 PF that are “better defenders.” But I completely agree about Amar’e affecting the Cavs offense negatively if said fantasy trade occurs. I think Stat might end up to be the bigman Starbury, i sincerely hope not but I have felt the pain of both players and seen the letdowns (even though marbury was way more consistent believe it or not). Hopefully the All Star break refocuses him and gets him off the block.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    top 5* and that was supposed to be defender (not center)*

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com Nbk

    And AI for Marion and Banks makes the most sense to me. Detroit can play better D and make SM a starter at PF. And Iverson would make Miami scary on offense very very scary that is just IMO though. Definately wont happen

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    “and a new-model Terminator sent back in time in order to play basketball” LOL

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    and JJ Hickson is like Andrew Bynum minus the a*shole attitude

  • I am the walrus

    Johan Petro and a 2nd roung pick for DJ Mbenga

  • I am the walrus

    Oh wait, Petro just got traded to nuggets. My bad…

  • rikson

    neaorin is right -> Z sucks at D! He is Muresan with an offensive game.

  • TheAirWillLiveOn

    Miami Heat:
    7 Shawn Marion

    Chicago Bulls:
    12 Kirk Hinrich
    24 Tyrus Thomas

    Sounds like a good trade to me.

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