January 6, 2009 9:00 am  |  91 Comments

The Post Up: VC’s Still Great

Unfortunately, Melo’s hand is not.

by Holly MacKenzie

Why does it feel like Monday night always has a handful of matchups that are not overly intriguing? I enjoyed Golden State and Utah, but that’s because I like anything Warriors. I did not enjoy Toronto/Milwaukee because those damn Raptors folded in the final minutes.

Didn’t get to catch much of San Antonio and Miami, but that block from Ginobili, um, yeah.

San Antonio is too good. When Matt Bonner is starting and scoring in double-figures, you know they are rounding into mid-season form and rolling to the victories.

Ridiculous, but you can’t hate them.

Seeing David Robinson sitting courtside in Miami was a nice little treat as well. Is there anyone here who can honestly say they don’t like this man? I can’t. Bet you already knew that though.

While I hated seeing the Raptors lose, I was happy that Charlie V had a great game. It’s got to feel amazing to always be able to stick it to the team that drafted you and then sent you packing.

I had a sad moment when my guy Stephen Jackson went down last night. Just before half, he Carmelo's bum handwent down clutching his leg, a damned hamstring injury for him that caused him to miss the second half of the game. I’m hoping he takes some time off, does whatever he needs to do to get healthy.

And one more on the injury watch: Melo’s got a probable fracture of his right hand and will see a specialist tomorrow. Sending him the speediest of well wishes. Sorry to hear this, Cub!

Enough with the injuries, already!

On to happier news, we’ve got a big one on the schedule tonight. Lakers/Hornets. I’m pretty excited. I also want to see if those Wizards can come up with another win as they face the Magic tomorrow night.

Speaking of the Wizards, great to hear that Gil is making progress on his recovery from knee surgery and is now playing two-on-two games again.

It’s his birthday today, so the happiest of birthday wishes are being sent out to to an NBA player who’s had a bigger impact on me than he’ll ever realize. And, as always, when speaking of Gil, wishes of health go along with those for happiness.

And, let’s recap!

San Antonio 91 Miami 84

While the Heat are trying to find an identity and integrate two rookies in their main rotation, the Spurs are seasoned, veterans who are cool under pressure. Last night they used that coolness to hold off Dwyane Wade and a Miami squad that was nipping at their heels in the fourth quarter. When their lead was whittled down to only three, the Spurs were solid, shooting 50% in the final quarter as Manu Ginobili was the hero, blocking a Wade attempt with less than two minutes to go. After the block deflated the Heat, the Spurs went on to take care of business and stretch the lead to five. Tim Duncan led the way with 19 points and 9 rebounds while Roger Mason and Matt Bonner each scored 11 and George Hill added 15 off of the bench. Wade finished with 24 points and 12 assists as Michael Beasley had a 15-point, 12-rebound double-double and Shawn Marion also added 15.

Milwaukee 107 Toronto 97

After piecing together two big victories on their home floor, the Raptors were looking to continue the winning on the road against the Bucks last night. Luke Ridnour had other things in mind. With the game on the line and the two teams in a dogfight down to the end, Ridnour responded, knocking down two three-pointers in the final minutes as the Bucks went on a 13-0 run to finish the game while the Raptors fell apart, missing their final five attempts from the floor. Without Jermaine O’Neal and Jose Calderon, Michael Redd scored a season-high 35 and former Raptor Charlie Villanueva added 25, including 13 in the final 12 minutes. Chris Bosh led Toronto with 31 points, 11 rebounds and 5 assists as Bargnani scored 21 points and Anthony Parker added 12 in the loss.

Utah 119 Golden State 114

Another close game, another loss for the Warriors. And, the frustrating finishes continue for Golden State. While they had Corey Maggette back after missing the last 15 with a hamstring injury, they lost leading scorer and captain Stephen Jackson to a pulled hamstring just before the first half. The Warriors kept things close until the final minutes and neither team led by double figures in the game, but in the fourth it was the Jazz who simply outworked Golden State. Led by Deron Willimas and Paul Millsap, they took a seven-point lead in the final 1:14 to go on and get the victory thanks to solid free throw shooting down the stretch. Millsap finished with 19 points and 14 rebounds, while Deron Williams put in 25 points to go with 15 assists and Mehmet Okur added 20 points to go with 11 rebounds. Jamal Crawford scored 28 for the Warriors, Andris Biedrins had 14 points to go with 17 rebounds and Corey Maggette scored 23 in his return.

New Jersey 98 Sacramento 90

It’s funny how we can all hate on Vince Carter, but when the season is out, he’s always got a handful of game winners and dominating fourth quarters to choose from. Last night was no different as he took matters into his own hands and ensured that the Nets won on their home floor against the Kings, despite Devin Harris having to sit out the second half with a hamstring injury. While Sacramento led 55-43 at the half, the Nets trimmed the lead in the third and trailed by only two to start the fourth where they then dug their heels into the ground and outscored the Kings 26-16. At the end of the game, it was Carter who responded when his team needed him. Getting an and-1 where he misses the free throw, the ball finds it’s way to him where he knocks down a three-pointer and the Nets were safe from there. Carter finished with 29 points, 9 rebounds and 7 assists while Yi Jianlian added 22 points and 13 rebounds. Kevin Martin had 36 for the kings, Jason Thompson scored 12 and Francisco Garcia added 10.

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  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 9:05 am
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  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 9:05 am
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  • WhaHuh Posted: Jan.6 at 9:05 am
    If the media didnt hate Vince there would be All Star talk. He is having a great year

  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 9:06 am
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  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 9:06 am
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  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 9:07 am
    It’s code. First one to figure it out, I’ll give you a dollar.
    Oh, and first. Morning Holly.

  • Ryne Nelson Posted: Jan.6 at 9:08 am
    WhaHuh took the words right out of my mouth. Vince is playing with more focus and intensity this season than he was when fans voted him into All-Star games.

  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 9:10 am
    Just so I’m not a complete tool, let me actually comment on the post: The problem with Vince Carter is that he IS still so good. That’s why he catches hate for being a sourpuss and settling for 30-footers instead of driving — because as good as he is, we all know he could be truly great if only he acted like he really gave a sh*t. Which he does occasionally, but not nearly often enough.
    So, there. At least we don’t have to argue about that anymore.

  • Eboy Posted: Jan.6 at 9:14 am
    The Spurs are good…..and their bench is gangsta in defensive skill, cheatingness, oldness and toughness. Bowen, Kurt Thomas……….actually, maybe no one else needs to be mentioned.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 9:17 am
    Is that code for “ouch USC, stop the pounding already!”?

  • Fred34 Posted: Jan.6 at 9:18 am
    Did I miss something? VC beat the Kings – are they any good this year?

  • Eboy Posted: Jan.6 at 9:19 am
    I saw Vince play live in Miami three nights ago and he was less than impressive. I saw him three seasons ago live and he was still a monster then. He’s still capable of big nights, but if you play him physical and limit his drive space, he does just pull stand still threes from all areas, usually with little success.

  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 9:20 am
    Well played Tad, especially seeing how your team did in its bowl game. Oh, wait…

  • Z Posted: Jan.6 at 9:20 am
    Not having Vince in the ASG would be a travesty. Reputations shouldn’t matter in the process, it’s about rewarding the best players of thsi season’s first half. What would it take from the Cavs to get vince? Wally’s expiring and Andy V? Is that too much? I’m not rational with Andy V because I feel he brings so much morer than stats to the Cavs.

  • Z Posted: Jan.6 at 9:22 am
    Perhaps Delonte too… You have to give something to get something. But then the Cavs might lose their identity as a defensive team.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 9:24 am
    And for actual NBA talk: Happy Bday Gil! Now get your ass back on that court ASAP. Not that it, you know, matters.

  • Co Co Posted: Jan.6 at 9:24 am
    I saw Vince act like he cared on Friday night. When he’s good, he’s really good. :(

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 9:26 am
    Actual Ryan, Texas did pretty well last night. I root for Michigan and whoever is playing the Buckeyes.

  • Ryne Nelson Posted: Jan.6 at 9:32 am
    Sorry to interrupt, but a few people might be interested in this random stat: It took Michael Beasley until January (32 games!) to record double-digits in rebounds…

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 9:36 am
    Who?

  • Eboy Posted: Jan.6 at 9:39 am
    Sh*t seems to happen when you get minutes.

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Jan.6 at 9:43 am
    Any 10 rebound game is good when you’re 5′3” and shrinking…..

  • Fred34 Posted: Jan.6 at 9:44 am
    Beasley has future written all over him – he just needs more time but he’s already nice and gonna be seriously sweet.

  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 9:45 am
    Not really a shock, Ryne. Beastley’s only averaging 25 minutes per, plus he’s playing alongside some very aggressive rebounders in Marion and Haslem, who are the only teammates currently in the top 15 in RPG. His RP48 average is actually better than Kenyon, Kirilenko, and even David West, to name just a few. He’ll get there.

  • Z Posted: Jan.6 at 9:46 am
    He’s already nice and gonna be seriously sweet? Are you talking about his basketball skills? I’m confused.

  • Eboy Posted: Jan.6 at 9:46 am
    Ryan must be looking for hand release or something…..

  • Cub Buenning Posted: Jan.6 at 9:47 am
    Yeah, I guess that height drama (he’s barely 6′7″) did matter for Beas at the next level. K State still is listing him as 7′1″. Holly, it is a bummer for the Nuggets, as they patiently await the MD report, however,if it was a broken right hand for Jay Cutler, then I would have major issues. For once, though, the Nuggets can win with Melo temporarily out of the line-up.

  • Tom Posted: Jan.6 at 9:47 am
    Shaq and Karl Malone’s elbows are the only people who don’t like the Admiral…..And that Ginobli block is a top 5 play of the season so far.

  • Cub Buenning Posted: Jan.6 at 9:50 am
    Nice Izzo. beat me to it. Ryan, RP48 better than Kenyon!?!?
    He is a three-point shooter, not a banger.

  • Eboy Posted: Jan.6 at 9:50 am
    Cub, the Heat list him as 6′ 10″. If he’s almost 6′ 8″ (maybe), I’d be surprised, but he looks taller than UD, who’s listed at 6′ 8″, so UD must really be 6′ 4″. Put it like this, the Heat’s frontcourt is tiny.

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Jan.6 at 9:55 am
    Heightwise,Beasley is like a basketball Benjamin Button….with awful tattoos.

  • WhaHuh Posted: Jan.6 at 9:57 am
    Kevin Love got double rebounds alot sooner averaging only 22mpg (I hope i didnt sound too much like Ryan)

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Jan.6 at 9:58 am
    Wahuh:The difference is that Kevin Love is the biggest bust in the history of any sport ever…and he looks like Bubba Sparxx.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 10:00 am
    True fact: you appear a lot taller playing among tall buildings in Manhattan.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 10:04 am
    Does anyone have the video of that Manu block?

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Jan.6 at 10:05 am
    True Fact 2:You appear a lot taller when,in college,your average in-conference Power Forward was 6′2”.

  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 10:11 am
    “The difference is that Kevin Love is the biggest bust in the history of any sport ever.”
    Previous interactions imply that Izzo is not actually stupid enough to mean this, so I will assume he is baiting me and let this one pass.

  • Eboy Posted: Jan.6 at 10:14 am
    I still marvel at the fact that Charles Barkely was only 5′ 9″ and did all he did.

  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 10:15 am
    And again, re: Beasley, he’s got TWO teammates averaging 9 rpg (which no other duo in the League is doing), which means there’s not exactly a lot of boards to go around.
    And Cub, are you saying I was wrong to be impressed by Beasley outrebounding Kenyon, or vice versa? Clarification, please…

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Jan.6 at 10:16 am
    Did you SEE VC?

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Jan.6 at 10:16 am
    Ryan:The mere fact that you took that even half seriously means that you have not read one word coming from my comment box in the past.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Jan.6 at 10:17 am
    Sorry, just releasing my inner Gary Sussman.

  • overtime Posted: Jan.6 at 10:18 am
    David Robinson is one of the greatest guys ever in NBA history

  • Cub Buenning Posted: Jan.6 at 10:19 am
    TAD, by manhattan, do you mean, kansas? A beautiful skyline, for sure. I am a genuine 6′8″ in bare feet, and neither UHaslem or Beasley are that tall. BTW, Nene is maybe 6′9″.

  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 10:19 am
    Just making sure, homie.

  • Cub Buenning Posted: Jan.6 at 10:21 am
    Ryan, Kenyon, the dude thinks he is a two-guard these days….. Although, he is ballin’, for certain. Russ- 23-9 since trade and have five straight left at home.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 10:22 am
    Bad attempt at a joke Cub, yes.

  • Cub Buenning Posted: Jan.6 at 10:23 am
    TAD, no, it was a good one, just lost on most people unfamiliar with that beautiful midwestern metropolis.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Jan.6 at 10:24 am
    Cub: Huh?

  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 10:24 am
    Gotcha. I guess my point was that they’re of similar size, and Kenyon was a similarly dominant inside force in college. But duly noted. Glad you’ve got a team worth watching out there.

  • Cub Buenning Posted: Jan.6 at 10:27 am
    Russ, sorry, you were mentioning a couple weeks ago, that the Nuggets’ record post-trade was all that mattered…. just an update. Ryan, Your points are all valid, and completely true. It has just been a while since i commented so i am antsy/rusty. Watchability is a great thing. I actually turned off a college game this weekend (New Mexico v. UNLV) to watch the Nuggets/Hornets; that hasn’t happened in some time.

  • Ryan Jones Posted: Jan.6 at 10:30 am
    That’s a big step for you Cub. Shame you don’t get the BTN, or you could make up for it by watching my boys take on the Boilermakers tonight. Purdue’s apparently got a couple starters hurt, so I’m optimistic…

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Jan.6 at 10:30 am
    Did I say the Nuggets? I thought I was talking about the Pistons. I don’t think I had any doubt of things on Denver’s end. Then again, who knows what I’m talking about half the time.

  • tinchek Posted: Jan.6 at 10:30 am
    WC anyone?

  • H to the Izzo Posted: Jan.6 at 10:33 am
    Ryan:If your Nittany Lion(whatever the hell a Nittany Lion is) manage to beat Purdue I’ll shave a portrait of Joe Paterno onto my head.Talor Battle does appear to be a player,though.

  • Z Posted: Jan.6 at 10:36 am
    Height doesn’t tell the whole story. Why don’t we have stats about reach? I mean you don’t grab boards with your head. AI wouldn’t be AI if he didn’t have pterodactyl arms, same with Rondo (an a different scale).

  • ciolkstar Posted: Jan.6 at 10:39 am
    Damn. Cub is 6′8″!? How bout some predictions on how much time Melo will miss? Any inside info, Cub?

  • ciolkstar Posted: Jan.6 at 10:41 am
    Also, should I be picking up JR Smith right now? Drop Eric Gordon?

  • ciolkstar Posted: Jan.6 at 10:42 am
    Go Horns! Never been a Colt McCoy fan, but Quon Cosby is an absolute beast!

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 10:42 am
    I’d demand a fully digital, HD pic up on SKO Izzo.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 10:43 am
    And Russ, i’ll provide you a midwest update (although i’m quite sure you are aware): 21-11, with 7 straight wins.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 10:46 am
    I think I forgot to mention something to Ryne: How about them Wolverines?

  • Ryne Nelson Posted: Jan.6 at 10:55 am
    How about them Badgers?

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 10:56 am
    Yeah, they opened a can of something on us.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 10:56 am
    We need a Cub Scouts post ASAP.

  • Ryne Nelson Posted: Jan.6 at 10:58 am
    It’s being edited as we speak. Give it about 15 minutes.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 11:06 am
    Damn, I wish everything was that easy.

  • Eboy Posted: Jan.6 at 11:22 am
    In the early 90’s, girls in South Florida were that eas……oh, that’s not what you were referencing.

  • Jukai Posted: Jan.6 at 11:27 am
    Uh oh, sounds like Grandpa Eboy is setting up for another long winded story of his!

  • Eboy Posted: Jan.6 at 11:36 am
    Nah, Jukai, I usually let the stories stick to my blog now….I’ve learned from you long ago, that long winded and boring are exclusive to your idiotic ass now.

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Jan.6 at 11:42 am
    @ Z: VC won’t get traded to the Cavs, especially not for only Wally and Andy. If, and I should type it like this, because it’s a big one “IF” VC gets traded, which is doubtful, the Nets really want young-and-upcoming player in return, like last year with the Kidd-Harris trade. Adding Deltone West won’t happen. Contract-wise it’s impossible, and the Nets already have 15 guaranteed contracts. The Cavs aren’t an interesting trade partner for the Nets.

  • Candice Posted: Jan.6 at 12:07 pm
    @Tadd, have you heard anymore on Rip’s injury? I just read an article yesterday and it sound’s like he isn’t doing any type of activities.

  • Plasticman Posted: Jan.6 at 12:20 pm
    I heard Wes Unseld was only 4′3″

  • B. Long Posted: Jan.6 at 12:28 pm
    Attention everyone:Please do not start giving Vince Carter praise. He’s on my fantasy team and unless he’s constantly reminded by fans and the media that he is an underachieving assclown daily he will immediately start sucking again.

  • B. Long Posted: Jan.6 at 12:29 pm
    Oh yeah, Hook’em Horns.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 12:40 pm
    Candice: Yeah, Rip’s groin injury appears to be pretty serious and they aren’t allowing him to do any sort of practicing until he can make cuts without any pain. He has a partial tear.

  • B. Long Posted: Jan.6 at 12:59 pm
    Rip needs to be traded. Seriously.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Jan.6 at 1:13 pm
    Detroit would love to move Rip, Stuckey is the reason the Pistons are winning now. The Pistons won’t be able to move Rip though. He’s already 32 and just signed a long extension this summer.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 1:21 pm
    Rip needs to be traded…um, why again?

  • Tarzan Cooper Posted: Jan.6 at 1:28 pm
    On Sunday, James said it was a “bad call” and that “they need to look at it and they need to understand that’s not a travel.”………….shouldnt lebron get fined for saying stuff like this?

  • tealish Posted: Jan.6 at 1:57 pm
    You forget, he’s LeBron.

  • B. Long Posted: Jan.6 at 2:48 pm
    @Tad: This is not the 04 squad. This is A.I. and Stuckey’s squad. They’ve finally found their groove and when Rip gets healthy and comes back Curry is gonna really have a hard time finding minutes for him and Affalo who needs playing time as well.

  • TADOne Posted: Jan.6 at 3:59 pm
    B: I hear you, but you do realize that Rip has only been out 3 of the 7 games we have in a row, right? They were finding a groove before then. Also, Allen’s deal is done after the year. Rip will be back and is durable, reliable, and still has the best mid-range game around. Now, I have no issue with Curry bringing Rip off the bench when he comes back from injury this year. Someone is gonna have to sacrifice since the bigger lineup with Amir starting is better for us defensively going into the playoffs. I trust Curry will make the right decision.

  • Allenp Posted: Jan.6 at 4:38 pm
    I hope Rip is ok coming off the bench long term, but I doubt it.

  • Cub Buenning Posted: Jan.6 at 4:55 pm
    Ryan, I get most channels that might be showing college basketball. The Big Ten Network is the shizzle. My daughter and I love the Thad Matta show on Sat. mornings. I’ll be watching. tonight. Who is hurt? E’Twan Moore? Robbie Hummell? Sounds like melo is out 3-4 weeks.

  • Dacre Posted: Jan.6 at 7:52 pm
    Jukia crab dribbles…?

  • Dacre Posted: Jan.6 at 8:01 pm
    Z Posted: Jan.6 at 10:36 am
    Height doesn’t tell the whole story. Why don’t we have stats about reach? I mean you don’t grab boards with your head. AI wouldn’t be AI if he didn’t have pterodactyl arms, same with Rondo (an a different scale).
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    And Yao is like the T-Rex of the NBA with those little spindly protrusions….
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    We’ll be getting NBA basketball on TV in Australia later on this year! 3 games a week!

  • Aussie Kidd Posted: Jan.6 at 8:20 pm
    @Dacre… Are you sure, we don’t get sh*t all in Australia. Coming from the only American Football fan in all of Aus.
    I have foxtel anyway or whatever you call it outside of Melbourne. Also… San Diego Chargers anyone…?

  • Hursty Posted: Jan.7 at 8:59 am
    Yeh.. try November kiddies. Its on Ch 10’s new sports channel. Like how they show the NFL on Ten HD right now? Same thing. Get educated. Damn, this is why basketball in Australia is sh8t right now- because nobody knows what the heIl is going on.

  • BETCATS Posted: Jan.7 at 10:19 am
    AND MOOSE: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • kenny Posted: Jan.11 at 2:00 pm
    Vc does settle a lot but he can knock them down, he is a good shooter but if he drove move often he would be hyped like Lebron and Kobe because he still can do it every night he still had a lot in the tank but doesn’t put it all on the floor every night

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