Tuesday, January 13th, 2009 at 10:00 am  |  296 responses

Who Will Come off the Bench: Hamilton or Iverson?

by Marcel Mutoni

Rip Hamilton will re-join his Pistons teammates tonight as they face off against the Charlotte Bobcats. His coach, Michael Curry, as he has been hinting for quite a while now, might have the unenviable task of telling either Hamilton or Allen Iverson that they’re no longer a starter.

Curry knows it won’t be an easy thing to explain to either guy; so far, Hamilton has let it be known (in no uncertain terms) how he feels about becoming a sixth man – Via, DBB:

But I don’t think Rip is hearing any of it. Our exchange went something like this:

So, what’s going to happen when you come back, do you think you will jump right back into the starting lineup?

Rip: “Yeah, that’s the only option.”

Well, there is another option — coming off the bench.

Rip: “That ain’t happening.”

Out-standing!

Would it be too much to ask for a camera to be placed in the room when Curry has to deliver this bit of news to either Hamilton, or even better, Allen Iverson?

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  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Ahhh Moose, precious beloved Bostonian. It’s a different world for you and I.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    SLAMFAN4LIFE….yes well, Allen Iverson would say he has HIS RULE about it…

  • Nbk

    How does run more (that’s all I said) mean turn into a running team? They are 26th in pace You guys over analyze everything

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    Coming off the bench? Coming off the bench?! We sittin here, I supposed to be a franchise starter and we talkin’ bout coming off the bench? How silly is dat?

  • http://www.triplejunearth.com/dacre Dacre

    over analyze EVERYTHING….was an over analysis…

  • Nbk

    Most everything I say, happy

  • prophecy_projectz

    There is something oddly impressive about a second year guy who’s barely played a year in the league (remember he was out at last season’s start) and still been good enough that its forced one of the best GM’s of a consistent title contender to trade away there all-star Finals MVP and force them consider which of two other perriennal go to guy All-Star’s should ride the bench or force to comply with his play in a small lineup.

    Stuck Dogg truly is the 50 Cent of this NBA shot.

  • http://fdkl.com Jukai

    the problem wasn’t over analyzing NBK. It was overestimating. We overestimated your intellect. It wont happen again.

  • Wiz

    Well they both got there way and they lose im sure one will come off the bench now……

  • marz

    Stuckey is going to come of the bench, sorry

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Overestimated my intellect? and ya’ll been bringing up points i never said? seems like your overestimating your own intellect

  • http://dskjlf.com Jukai

    Right, points you never said but typed down. Wish you had an edit button, right?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hamilton willing to come off bench to help Pistons
    by A. Sherrod Blakely
    Tuesday January 13, 2009, 11:30 PM

    AUBURN HILLS — For most of Richard Hamilton’s career, he has been a starter.

    He has no desire for that to change anytime soon.

    But if coming off the bench makes the Pistons a better team, Hamilton said in an exclusive interview with Booth Newspapers on Tuesday night that he would be willing to do it.

    “Whatever makes us win, I’m going to go ahead and do it,” said Hamilton, who returned to action in Tuesday’s 80-78 loss to Charlotte after missing the previous eight games with a groin injury.

    While Hamilton acknowledges telling a group of reporters last week that he didn’t want to come off the bench, he added that his feelings on the matter are consistent with most players who have spent the bulk of their career as starters.

    “You can ask anybody who plays the game; nobody wants to come off the bench,” Hamilton said.

    Hamilton started Tuesday night, as part of a three-guard lineup with Allen Iverson and Rodney Stuckey.

    Iverson, who is also under consideration to move from the starting lineup to a reserve off the bench, echoed similar sentiments.

    “If I’m asked to come off the bench, I would think it’s to help the team,” Iverson said. “But I never felt me coming off the bench would help a team.”

    Said Hamilton: “I know A.I., I know Tay, I know Sheed. We’re in it for one reason and that’s to win games. Whatever it is, we’ll do it.”

    While Curry won’t rule out making a change in the future, he appears to be content with sticking with the three-guard lineup for the time being.

    “As long as we’re playing well, I think we can stay this way,” Curry said prior to Tuesday’s loss. “Whether it’s these three games or the games we have going forward, we still have the same issues we have to make sure we address.”

    For Hamilton, the issue he’s most concerned about is helping Detroit find a way to win.

    While he doesn’t necessarily believe him coming off the bench will result in more wins, he reiterated on Friday night that he’s at least open to the idea.

    “I want to win,” he said. “Everybody here wants to win. That’s what we’re all in this for.”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Thank you and good night.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    what a flip flopper

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Juaki I never typed down that the Pistons should become a running team ever….I said they should RuN MORE… When your the 26th slowest team in the league you can speed up without becoming a “running team” But since your all knowing and can read things that aren’t there. And TAD that is exactly my point they either need to run more or one of them has to come off the bench. (it should be iverson but whatever)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Um, i’m quite sure the article didn’t say anything about them running more. Let me re-read.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Um, nope. Just wanted to point out that either player said themselves that while they wouldn’t want to come off the bench, they would be willinmg to do it if it improved the team.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    And yes, I understand it can be an easy thing to say since Curry didn’t actually bench one or the other, it still was direct quotes to the question. So yeah…….

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    And i’ll be willing to discuss the loss to Charlotte last night, as soon as I stop putting pins into my Larry Brown voodoo doll.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    And TAD i never said anything about the article saying that let me make it easier for you
    nbk Posted: Jan.13 at 3:35 pm
    not when the half court dominant team is better at running. With 3 guards in your lineup and no real big man on the boards that is not going to work. If they have 3 gaurds in their starting lineup there is no chance they get to the ECF with a half court offense, but they do have a shot running. (they will not beat Cleveland in the halfcourt, boston, or orlando.) Either Run or change your lineup.
    WHERE DOES THAT SAY BECOME A RUNNING TEAM? it says run or change your lineup and guess what they are going to do…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m actually just trying to get this over 300 comments on the second day of it’s existence.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ok NBK, where did I say anything about become a running team? I didn’t. I mentioned you said they should run more. I’m quite sure I can read. And no, Curry hasn’t said he would change anything. I’m just pointing out the players would be willing to go to the bench. Jeez….

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Uhm Tad my running more rant was to Jukai and his made up crap-a-thon. I know Curry has not said anything but it Will happen and both you and I agree it should no?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    the first part of my last post was just saying I made up the idea its all from me. The rest was to show Jukai that he made up what i “said”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Agree that they should run more? I can’t say I necessarily agree with that, regardless of teh lineup. I understand your arguments and all of the counterpoints, but our bread-and-butter is still defense. I don’t care about Detroit being 26th in pace, I care about wins. Pace didn’t lose the game for us last night, missing our last 8 shots and turnovers did. And if Curry wants to send one of either AI or Rip to the bench, then i’m fine with it. Honestly, it is a good problem to actually have, no?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    I meant we both agree one of the two (hamilton/iverson) should come off the bench? Or what is do you think would be best for their lineup

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Its a fantastic problem to have as long as you know how to use it…and i just don’t have that much confidence in curry’s gameplan but thats all opinion

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Curry is a rookie coach. He has impressed me in being flexible, listening to his players, being the one voice in the locker room, playing and trusting the young guys, and making guys accountable. He has disappointed in his game plans, in-game coaching, knee-jerk reactions, and his slow adjustments. However, I expect those things from a rookie coach. All coaches go thru it when they start out. He has shown me that he is learning quick, though.
    -
    As for what is best for the team: I’ve said that we need to play a bigger lineup and was against Stuckey starting. Since he has came in a produced better than I anticipated, we can’t take him out. That said, I would still like to have Amir starting and Rip or AI off the bench. But i’m also open to seeing how the small lineup will work. Playing small didn’t lose the game last night.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    No not at all poor ability to make shots was the problem – and thats not good for a team that has 2 late game shotmakers (wallace and ai) they have a lot to worry about…….no offense

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I guess my point is: the small starting lineup has gotten us off to good starts when it has been used. It does appear that other than McDyess, we don’t have much of an offensive spark off the bench. So it is a delicate balance. Now that everyone is healthy, we need to determine what is going to work in the long haul.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Not necassarily no offense, just players settling for jumpers or quick shots. The one thing that Billups excelled at was the fact he could smell blood in the 4th quarter when the Pistons had a lead and needed to close out the game. He always made sure the team got the best shot available or got to the line. Stuckey is still learning this killer instinct. Once he does, we’ll be fine.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    I meant like “no offense” like not to offend you about your squad

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Oh, my bad. But yeah, my Billups comment still is relevant.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    The ability about knowing how to “close out” games was one of the reason I didn’t want Stuckey starting yet. Then again, you have to be thrown into the fire to acquire that skill. I’m confident he’ll be much better at it by season’s end.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    yeah it is lol what was stuckey like in college at eastern…did he win games at the end? (to me you can tell what “kind” of player a guy will be in college/you just can’t tell “how” their skills will translate)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    All I know about Stuckey in college was that he was a stone-cold scorer.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    hes learning from the best stone-cold scorer since jordan — stuckey is going to be really really good in about 2 years.

  • Bballrehab

    .

  • http://www.triplejunearth.com/dacre Dacre

    …wait up…you’ve made-friends?!?! No no…..I pine for the good old days…

  • Harlem_World

    At this stage, the right thing to do for the TEAM is for AI to come off the bench. He can make the pistons so much better. VINNY JOHNSON 2.0!

  • http://www.pistonscast.com John W. Davis

    @TADOne You know you are my boy but you have to stop defending this atrocious lineup!

  • Boston Baller

    You can and do lose your starting spot when you come back from injury if the player replacing you is better, the “replacement” is playing well as is the team or if you need to come back slowly. Brady took over for Bledsoe and never looked back..sorry for the football example. lol

    Rips numbers before injuey were lower than AI’s but what does that mean. Team Chemistry is what matters. T. Crook

  • Blinguo

    Detroit? Bench? Darvin Ham! Oh right. Damn. Maybe next year. He could definitely get a better gig than holding back Cuban from stupiding all over the court in Dallas.

  • Bo

    Trade one of them. Preferably Rip. That’s the only option. Try to throw in Kwame in there too and get a Brad Miller or Chris Kamen. That is the only solution. But since the pistons arent going for a championship this year by the looks of it… nothing will happen and they will continue their losing ways. I just feel bad for AI… the man knows he’ll be gone next year, yet he’s still out there trying to win, and at least attempting to play defense.

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