Thursday, February 12th, 2009 at 10:00 am  |  100 responses

Baylor: Sterling is Running a ‘Southern Plantantion-Type Structure

by Marcel Mutoni

No one has ever claimed that Donald Sterling is good team owner – hell, I don’t think anyone has ever said anything remotely positive about his helm atop the Clippers’ franchise – but a comparison to a slave master? That’s gotta be a first.

And it comes courtesy of Elgin Baylor, only one of the game’s greatest players, who was dismissed from his GM role (one he held for two decades) last October. Elgin is now suing the Clippers and the NBA.

The LA Times reports:

NBA Hall of Famer and former longtime Clippers executive Elgin Baylor alleges in a civil lawsuit filed Wednesday in Los Angeles that team owner Donald Sterling has embraced a “vision of a Southern plantation-type structure” for his NBA franchise, accusing him of decades-long racist behavior.

Baylor worked for the Clippers for 22 years. The complaint against Sterling and others, which was filed in Los Angeles Superior Court and obtained by The Times, presented Baylor’s version of an eroding relationship between Baylor and Sterling. Baylor contends, among other things, that the Clippers owner had “a pervasive and ongoing racist attitude as expressed to then-NBA player Danny Manning during contract negotiations.”

According to a report from TMZ – which has a brilliant headline – Baylor claims that Donald Sterling repeatedly called players on the Clippers “poor Black kids”. There’s a press conference scheduled for today in the office of Baylor’s lawyer. That should be interesting, to say the least.

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  • CHE

    On an unrelated note I think David Stern is Satan.

  • Jayphilly

    Everyones already portraying El as the bitter old man. But, there is definitely some smoke. Sterling definitely has a track record.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Jukai
    Like I said, I am not crying any tears for Elgin. Most likely, he was quite all right working for a racist as long as Sterling CTC.
    I just don’t like people saying “Oh, race has nothing to do with it.”
    It’s amazing how easily people are willing to say that despite all the evidence to the contray in every other human interaction.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Teddy
    I’m going to ask you to read my post again. Baylor referenced a “plantation mentality.” He did not call the Clippers a “plantation.”
    There is a massive difference.
    Do you even understand what the term, “plantation mentality” means? The power dynamic it implies, the unspoken rules inherent in that sort of dynamic?
    I doubt it. Yet, you have decided to pop off at the mouth. So sad.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Once again, I do not KNOW if Elgin Baylor is teling the truth. I do know if Donald Sterling is a racist.
    However, I’m surprised how many of you all believe, with no proof, that Elgin is lying and Sterling isn’t a racist. Even though the only evidence says that Sterling has some problems with racism. I find that curious.
    And, Elgin Baylor was the GM of a horrible franchise for 22 years. Many of you have asked why Sterling would keep him all those years if he was a racist. I’m wondering why Sterling would keep him around if he was as horrible as all of you seem to think. Why would he allow such horrible management of his team? What does that say about the dynamic between he and Elgin Baylor.
    Could be something positive, could be something negative, but it says something.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Actually, nobody used the phrase “plantation mentality.”
    Elgin said there was a plantation structure. If you read the LA Times report on the lawsuit, it gives some details about why he said that.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    350K has to be put into context. It’s JV money for an NBA GM. Working 22 years for a guy you despise then filing a lawsuit when he fires you could be perceived as acting cowardly. I wouldn’t necessarily disagree. However, it has nothing to do with said lawsuit. Sterling has a precedent that could be brought up in this case. (Allenp, was he found guilty?)I don’t know that he said that but it’s entirely possible given his rep. And yes, Baylor made some awful managerial decision but what does that have to do with the price of cheese?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    On November 15, 2005, the Associated Press reported that Sterling had been ordered by U.S. District Judge Dale Fisher to pay $5 million in fees to plaintiff’s attorneys in a case accusing him of trying to drive out non-Korean tenants, particularly blacks and Latinos, at apartments he owned in Los Angeles’ Koreatown neighborhood.[4]

    August 8, 2006- The U.S. Department of Justice sued Sterling for housing discrimination, claiming he refused to rent apartments to blacks and families with children.

    Sterling also made headlines during a trial in which he admitted to paying a Beverly Hills woman named Alexandra Castro for sexual favors, these favors included oral sex, in many building, offices and even limos that Sterling owned.[5]

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Donald Sterling Accused Of Violating Fair Housing Act

    Sterling Faces Housing
    Discrimination Suit
    The U.S. Justice Department has filed a discrimination suit in U.S. District Court in L.A. against Clippers Owner and real estate mogul DONALD STERLING, accusing him of violating the Fair Housing Act by “favoring Korean tenants while seeking to exclude African Americans and families with children from his apartment buildings” in L.A. County, according to Myron Levin of the L.A. TIMES. Sterling’s wife, ROCHELLE, is also named, along with three Sterling companies and trusts. The Sterlings’ lawyer, GREG GARBACZ, said that the Sterling Corp. for the last year “had engaged in ‘open dialogue’ with the U.S. Department of Justice, which at no time identified ‘any evidence, document or witness supporting its allegations’” (L.A. TIMES, 8/8). Sterling last year settled an ’03 suit filed by the nonprofit Housing Rights Center “claiming six plaintiffs, including former employees and tenants, were fired or mistreated because they weren’t Korean.” A court filing called the settlement “one of the largest ever obtained in this type of case

  • Keith

    Allen P’s knowledge scares me.

  • http://www.bbl.org.uk Josh D

    He’s probably just bitter about being sacked, but if he’s racist why is 4 out of the Clips 5 best players black?Thought so.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Because the league is 90% Blacks !!! Josh D is a douche. How can make that statement and expect to be taken seriously?

  • donlaker

    it is about getting the job done at the end of the day , elgin didnt do it
    dunleavy isnt gonna change anything, and it seems baron davis tuned out dunleavy long ago
    mike d you are next for a donald sterling buyout
    and sad to say, elgin was just cheap labor
    i co sign , allen p and $230,000 i think i could work something out

  • littleshotlarry

    The general ignorance about racism around here is really what’s scary. The logic that just because someone hires a black person to run their business, they can’t possibly be racist really boggles the mind. Or the idea that because 90% of players are black that no one in a particular franchise or the NBA can be racist. I know we all think that we’re in some post-racial nirvana now that Obama is president, but I have news for everyone- racism and classism still exist.

  • littleshotlarry

    And frankly, I find it really disgusting that everyone is so up in arms to defend a super rich old white guy while making statements that imply that all those blacks should be happy to be getting money and just shut up.

    Maybe, just maybe, Elgin decided to stand up for what is right after he realized that he wasn’t an exceptional house negro to Sterling anymore.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    tell ‘em, littleshotlarry… tell’ em…

  • Clark Kent

    Sterling is a pr*ck. End of story. He’s had a history of shady behavior(as AllenP mentioned)and any type of negative press he gets he deserves.

  • http://www.commuto.com SteveA

    It’s funny to see people complaining of racism after have been fired. Elgin worked for the Clips for 20 years. If the allegations are true, then during that time he must have seen a lot of racist behviour from his boss. Why didn’t he act earlier? Why only after getting fired?

    The timing of these situations always seem odd. Either you have no self respect, and respect for your race that you are willing to work for someone who you know is racist but because you’re getting paid you’ll keep your mouth shut, or you’re a bitter employee that’s been fired after 20 years of poor performance employment. Time will tell…

  • http:www.myspace.com/linkstigatorkevin Kevin Wilson

    Any GM who drafted Olowokandi first cannot be underpaid.

  • donlaker

    mj got kwame brown ,(as a g. m.) and he wasnt long for washington. so sterling should have fired elgin long ago … but the donster was buying elgin baylor’s name and his nba pegigree , not his g. m. talent , 22 years is a long time to lose and let talent stampeed away from the clippers(the candy man does’nt count)so elgin got played like bill walton (thought he was going to be a clipper coach)

  • donlaker

    memo to elgin : we cant use the angry black man excuse any more or go johhny cochran on everbody
    your skills suck as a g.m. call up the lakers and see if you can scout for them.

  • Andrew

    Right. I just wrote a whole thing about Sterling not letting black people live in his apartments and saying it really poorly and badly written. Then I scrolled up to see Allenp’s post. Beaten. But yeah, Sterling is a bad dude.

  • donlaker

    frekin pedigree 5;25 pm

  • CHE

    littleshorty I think this goes both ways. Even though racism exists doesn’t mean every white person is out to get the “black man”. It doesn’t give a person of color the right to blame all of their problems or reasons for not being successful on the white guy. Now I am not saying that maybe something racist didn’t go on but I am saying there are both sides to this story and I am sure in time it will come out. But to jump on either side right now is dumb because none of us know what really happened. Yes there is racism out there doesn’t mean the whole world or everyone that is white is racist. (I am black by the way). People like Obama made no excuses for why they succeeded or didn’t succeed.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    CHE
    So, saying racism is a problem is an excuse?
    Cause I didn’t see Elgin Baylor blame the Clippers horrible record on racism. I saw him say he was fired by a racist boss who doesn’t like old people.
    I haven’t seen a single comment that says all white people are racist, or that when a black person fails it’s because “whitey” held him down. Your having an argument with points that have not been raised. Now, if you have a personal issue where all the black people you meet blame white people for their failures, I would suggest you get a new social circle, because I don’t have that problem with my friends.

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  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’ll ask for the last time : why are his gm skills even brought up in this discussion? the fact that he stayed 22 years in the organization is completely irrelevant as well. if sterling did say the things baylor is accsusing him of then he made racist comments and should lose the case. it’s really that simple. and given sterling’s reps and precedents, why would he get the benefit of the doubt?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Allenp: If I was making millions upon millions of dollars sucking @ss at my reliable 20-year job–like Elgin Baylor was, I wouldn’t give a sh!t if he called me or people we were signing “poor”.
    Granted, those WERE racist comments, IF he said them. But Elgin Baylor has no excuse calling it a “plantation mentality”. And, I’m pretty sure you don’t know what that term means, if you really think its “plantation mentality” to be paying somebody like Elgin Baylor MILLIONS OF DOLLARS at a job he sucks at.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m not picking sides, either Allenp. I think both of those guys suck. But ELGIN BAYLOR of all people should NOT be complaining.
    I should have said more against Sterling, too, but whatever. Both parties need to shut up.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    A win-win solution would be firing Elgin Baylor and taking the Clippers away from Sterling. But who knows, right?

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Allenp: Co-sign, co-sign, co-sign, and more co-signs until the part where you’re arguing with CHE. I didn’t like the “super rich old white guy” part from littleshorty. Context wise, it didn’t sound right.
    Z: Actually, the fact that he stayed for 22 years will probably be what is used in 65% of the court case. It may be irrelevant to you, but it’s actually probably the most damning thing about the case. Also, everyone can make racist sounding statements. The verdict will rest on what he actually meant by the statements (ie if he’s stating he’s paying a poor black kid super wealthy money as a fact, it’s not racist, it’s just a stupid thing to say).
    You know, my outlook on this is sort of dark… AND I HAVE NO PROOF OF THIS… and after yelling at everyone for jumping to conclusions, I should be shot for this.. but well, I read up on everything there is, and I sorta just came to this myself.
    I DO believe Sterling is a racist. I do believe he complained of giving “poor, black kids” money, you know? One look at the dude, and you get that vibe. I also believe Elgin just laughed this sort of behavior off and continued to work to prove everyone wrong about his GM skills.. and he’s only suing, NOT because it’s the right thing to do, but because he’s angry he never got that chance (after two decades to prove himself). He knew Sterling was racist, but he wasn’t an ‘outright’ racist (IE wasn’t calling players the N word, was still paying them 20 million a year) and he wasn’t drafting only white players like the Pacers/Utah/Duke so he figured everything was fine. Now he’s only bringing up this lawsuit with two or three things he heard, not to make wrongs right, but to get back at the people who fired him.
    I mean, I still hope Sterling loses ownership of the Clippers (although I don’t think that can happen legally). That would probably be the best thing to happen in this scenario.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Teddy-the-Bear: Why don’t you actually read the article for like, two seconds, to figure out what the hell he’s talking about when he says a “southern plantation-type structure.” HE’S CLAIMING STERLING SAID THAT HE WANTED THE TEAM TO BE COMPRISED OF BLACK PLAYERS BUT -ONLY- WANTED A WHITE COACH.
    THAT’S WHAT ELGIN BAYLOR MEANT.
    The caplock was to help you understand, since the articles and 80-comments didn’t help you in the slightest.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Jukai: Okay, so how in the slightest f*ck do you go from White Coach/Black Players to “PLANTATION-TYPE”. Poor choice of words, fool.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Whatever, they both suck. Elgin and Sterling.

  • JoeMaMa

    Why didn’t Baylor quit?
    Was Donald Sterling secret lovers with Marge Schott?
    Will Baron Davis stage a walk out?
    Can you visualize Mike Dunleavy slowing backing up with hands up and palms raised, furtively checking exits?
    Will this hopefully lead to an all-white Clippers team? That would be a sinfully delicious situation.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Though, Baylor WAS the man back in his playing days. And I’m pretty sure he’s less racist than Sterling…
    Ah, who cares?
    Jukai is excited.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Teddy-The-Bear needs to go read a history book. His ignorance is astounding.

  • rikson

    Just to know im not missinformed… The GM is above the headcoach – speaking about responsibility and decision-making. Which means the GM is responsible for hiring (players and staff) and drafting. Is that correct?

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  • IndividualFirst

    AllenP: How is that Clarence Thomas, Condi, and Steele debased themselves? They’ve busted their tails to get where they are – Clarence Thomas started from nothing, even was homeless for a short time as a child, and is now a Supreme Court Judge. Does it just bother you that there are people of color with political views opposite to yours?

  • http://nba.com tealish

    Sigh, Teddy-the-bear’s 8:36 comment is saddening. Very saddening.

  • rav

    “If Sterling is such a racist, why did he keep a black guy on his payroll for 22 years – sound strange to me…”

    because the black guy is far, far cheaper than the white guy

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    IndividualFirst
    There is a clear analogy. The common perception is Elgin Baylor debased himself by working for a racist for 22 years. People believe he should have left out of self respect.
    The other black people I named are all involved with a political party that has had regular flareups of racism for the past 50 years. Some would argue that their party actually decided to use racism as a means to win elections. So, why would a self-respecting black person align themselves with a politcal party that has encouraged and practiced racism agaisnt black people?
    Seems like a clear connection to me.

  • IndividualFirst

    1964 Civil Rights Act – Republicans voted 80% for, 20% against. Democrats voted 63% for, 37% against. Similar trends for the Voting Rights Act. Ronald Reagan was the guy that made MLK Day a National Holiday.

    The Republican Party has more than its fair share of sleazebags, but so do the Democrats (the guys that practice paternalistic racism – “We’ll take care of you minorities – just remember to vote for us!”). Both parties are f’ed up; I can hardly fault someone for choosing the party closer to one’s philosophical principles.

  • Prison Mike

    I think Baylor should have spoken about this while he had the platform of being the GM. It would have helped his credability. Doing this now, people can easily use the excuse of him doing it because he was fired. I think this happens to a lot of people. They see things wrong at work but are hesitant to say things because they have families or whatever to take care of. Now that he is no longer a part of the oraginzation, he feels no pressure about speaking his mind, but at the same time it is not taken as seriously if he had done it last week.

  • Prison Mike

    Whoops. I guess he fired a lot longer than one week ago. Shows you how much I keep track of eveything outside of Kobe.

  • Harlem_World

    What’s sad is, I stopped being enraged or surprised by the general acceptance of racist perceptions and genuine ignorance amongst racist ‘everyday joes’, a long time ago.

    Some of you are blindly racist and defending your stance from a position of shared commonalities…”so and so thinks just like me, so we must be right”…

    My 2 cents:

    (1) America is STILL inherently racist, despite the whole Obama episode. It takes more than a couple of months to change over 400 years of conditioning. Many Americans are institutionally racist without even consciously being aware of it, it’s unfortunately part of our global DNA. To some, Sterling will be seen as a little old school, but no harm, no foul – right? Well, if we’re collectively striving to make America a place of true diversity, cultural acceptance and equality – then actually, yes, there is a whole lot wrong with Sterling’s actions and behaviors.

    (2) Co-sign on AllenP on Baylor’s reasoning for waiting until now to speak up. Take it as you like, but understand the meaning behind the popular modern day Obama mantra: Rosa Parks sat so Martin Luther King could walk. Martin Luther King walked so Barak Obama could run. Barak Obama ran so all our children can fly. Someone has to pave the way, blaze the trail, open the door. Don’t chastise him because he accepted poor working conditions without complaint. It’s been happening for generations all around you, and if you haven’t noticed, then re-read my first paragraph above. Also, those who say ‘pay me $300,000 and I’ll do anything…’ first of all qualify yourself by being a hall of famer and one of the best, most-liked players in the history of the NBA, and then I’m sure Sterling will consider it. Until then, dead that stupidity.

  • tolbert-

    Maybe trying to lease apartments in an all Korean area to Koreans was a business decision. it happens all the time and it does not make someone a racist as much as a capitalist. In addition,there is no LAW per se forbidding race preference behavior. Although there are some specific laws that make race discrimination illegal in specific contexts- employment, rentals (if you have more than 8 unit? I think- otherwise you can refuse to rent based on race), and denying entry to a public business under the commerce clause.
    It is not illegal to have a preference of your own race or religion. A lot of the African American agenda today is about- us coming together to the exclusion of other races – Blacks have Black TV awards, Black music awards, black business groups, historically black colleges, black churches, NAACP for the sole purpose to recognize and promote the black agenda. Put exclusively white in front of any of these groups and you would have a lawsuit.

    The Clippers and Sterling do a lot of charity work in the African American community and also homeless community-benefiting all races. The Clippers staff has a lot of African Americans on the payroll- look at a media guide. Hardly looks like a hardcore racist establishment. Is this the first racial discrimination claim in the 25 year history of the franchise? And it is by the employee with the longest tenure- all but 4 years of the Clippers existence? and who for most of his tenure was probably the highest compensated non player and held a top position.

    Has anyone ever scene how Sterling used to practically worship the ground Elgin walked on when they were together at charity events or team events. For 20 years these guys traveled, ate meals, made appearances and discussed the team together. Sterling never said a bad word about Elgin ever. He damn near worshiped the guy.

    The lawsuit is about a lawyer trying to extort money by making racially charged allegations that are really not even relevant to Elgin Baylor’s claim that he was racially discriminated against. All the conduct alleged to have occured does not even apply to his particular case.

    This kind of suit will hurt the credibility of
    real racial discrimination suits and sheds a bad reflection on greedy lawyers who resort to this tactic- “making racially charged claims to the media” against a single wealthy individual that are not related to the treatment of the plaintiff/employee. The whole claim about race issues at the Clipers could have been “hushed” if a payment was made in advance. This “hush money position” is clearly suggested in the press conference – the parties tried for some time to make an arrangement. So it was not about exposing these allegations – if it was the allegations would have come out right away instead of trying to negotiate a payment for months. If the Clippers paid the lawyers money over the past 4 months then NO MENTION WOULD EVER – have been made that Elgin thought the Clippers owner was a racist and the organization was operated in a discriminatory manner- AND ELGIN AND THE PAID LAWYERS WOULD GO ON AND ALLOW THE CLIPPERS TO CONTINUE TO PERPETRATE THIS ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR. SO ELGIN REALLY SHOWS HE DID NOT CARE TO SEE THIS SITUATION REMEDIED – HE WANTS TO SEE ELGIN GET PAID MORE THAN HAVE THIS EXPOSED.

    This is an attempt by the lawyers, with Elgin as a mouthpiece- to extort money by making slanderous statements about a successful business person to force a settlement payment. The lawyers would get as much as Elgin even if the Clippers and Sterling did pay the hush money for the mere value of not having to defend themselves.
    So what is the real motive here? It is for the lawyers to get paid even though the case is weak- and to get paid they will make racial allegations (the claims were pretty weak – the facts/history don’t back them up either) that have nothing to do with Elgin’s case – THIS SOUNDS LIKE BLACKMAIL. Elgin Baylor’s legacy as one of the greatest basketball players ever has been ruined by this case – he will now be remembered as a someone who stooped to the race card and using OJ Simpson’s former lawyer – when he had no case. That is the real tragedy- as Elgin really is/was one of the greatest of all times and has been reduced to a lawyer’s payday and a mouthpiece for extortion.

  • Robert

    The Clippers should be kicked out of the association, at the very least L.A. You would never see or hear about things like this coming out of the Lakers front office. Like someone stated earlier Sterling was already sued over discrimination pertaining to rental properties he owns. I really don’t understand why in this day and age that an owner of an NBA team could discriminate against blacks? That’s just stupid. But then again judging by how he runs that joke of an organization known as the Clippers it doesn’t sound too out there. I personally think that Sterling just doesn’t care about the Clippers. If you put any NBA team in L.A. it’s going to make money just because the market’s huge. The Clippers are like a D league team, they cultivate talent for a few years only to see that talent take their skills to greener pastures. The Clippers will never make it out of the 2nd round of the playoffs as long as Donald Sterling is the owner, and that’s if they even make the playoffs. It’s really sad because they’ve had and have some really good players. As far as Elgin Baylor’s concerned I don’t understand why he would stick around. First of all he’s been underpaid for 22 years, second of all Sterling’s tight fisted ways kept him from putting any consistently good teams on the floor. I guess the only way to describe that pair’s dysfunctional relationship is “dumb and dumber”. And what’s Elgin doing now? Instead of thanking God above that he’s out of that messed up situation he’s making his life even harder by trying to litigate against them? Dumb, just walk away the bigger man. That’s what I did, I stopped even trying to hope for the Clippers success a long time ago, it’s obvious they don’t take their job seriously. When it’s all said and done there’s only 1 real NBA team in L.A. Go Lakers! 43-10

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