Friday, February 13th, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  146 responses

Elgin Baylor on Why He Worked in a Racist Environment for Two Decades

by Marcel Mutoni

The biggest question on most people’s minds after it was announced that Elgin Baylor was suing the Clippers organization on grounds of racism was, Why did he stick around for twenty-two years and continue to deal with it? And why is all of this only coming out now?

According to Elgin’s lawyers, the former exec did it so that other African-American could be given the opportunity to attain high ranking positions within the League’s power structure. From the LA Times:

Look at the industry in which he was employed,” said [attorney Alvin Pittman]. “He was employed in an industry that had a dearth of African Americans in executive roles. Sometimes, and we have a rich history of it, of accepting victimization for a bigger cause.”

“He endured the indignities and acts of discrimination thrown his way…It doesn’t suggest he liked it. He had a cause bigger than even he and so he toughed it out.”

Whether that will fly in the court of law is anyone’s guess. Donald Sterling’s reputation in racial matters, though, isn’t exactly – ahem – sterling.

As always, stay tuned.

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  • CHE

    This dude needs to get over it and move on

  • CHE

    The fact of the matter is if it was so bad for 20 years why not get out sooner and deal with it then. Why wait all these years and after you get fired try and deal with it. To me that says alot about his character. If you repsect yourself I don’t care who your boss is and what bone they throw at you if they disrespect you for 20 years that means you don’t care about yourself and you value money over respect for your own self.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Nice line at the end, Marcel.

  • T Money

    Clearly CHE is white.

  • Ken

    Really? He stayed there for 22 years to “take a hit for the team” to improve the lives of other black people? I guess it had nothing to do with the fact that he was getting a 6 figure salary for sucking at an easy job.

  • T Money

    If a person were to leave every environment where they were discriminated against on the basis of their race, there would be nowhere left in the world to go. At some point you just man up and do your job. I have no comment on the validity of the lawsuit, but I can certainly comment on my parents generation and how much they endured for the sake of making things better for their families.

  • rikson

    @T-Money: To me it seems that guys like you are racists too…

  • riggs

    @ken: even though that 6 figure job was one of the lowest in his industry? riiiiight, and id like to see you not suck at your job when your boss negates every proposal that you make and is a cheapskate.

  • T Money

    I can’t be racist. I’m black.

  • Gumdrop

    Check and mate.

  • Fred34

    I never met Sterling but is it safe to assume the guy is filthy rich and has been for a while? So the long and short of the story is – “filthy rich guy: not that nice”? There’s a news flash. Besides, don’t we need more lawsuits? Or is it double reverse racism – Elgin and his anti-Semitic tendencies… ??? j/k calm down

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    So… according to CHE, everytime a minority faces discrimination he should just quit his job? Well, pretty much all of us would be unemployed then. I’m just saying. Why his money is even part of the discussion? (+ he WAS getting low-balled, don’t act like he’s the only incompetent GM around, chris wallace gets paid handsomely)
    If Serling did make racist remarks on the regular, well… he deserves to get sued. If he didn’t, he’ll get his day in court too for defamation.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    T Money: CHE is actually black, but way to jump to conclusions because someone doesn’t agree with you!
    Z: I really don’t think anyone believe that Sterling didn’t say those things. I mean, his racism is a thing of well documented beauty (he loves them asians though). Sterling will probably lose the court case (as long as Baylor can come up with one extra witness, he’ll get a good six figure “retirement bonus”). My question is, do you believe Elgin Baylor’s “I’m doing it for the people!” excuse?

  • CHE

    I am black and I never said anytime a black faces discrimination they should quit their job I said anyone who allows someone to DEGRADE them for 20 plus years, something is wrong with them. After a year or two he should have came out and did what he is doing now…not wait till after he was fired after 22 years of working there. I am tired of minorities making using the race card FOR EVERYTHING. Yes racism exist but it doesn’t mean we use that as a pacifier or excuse as to why we don’t succeed. I’ve had police officers kick me out of a suburban mall because I was Black (no stretch of the imagination) they literally banned me from the mall because I was black and this was maybe 4 years ago. I work for a law firm so I handled it accordingly the same day. I didn’t wait 22 years to do something about it.

  • mamadou n’diaye

    The thing with him being “lowballed” and “underpaid” vs another bad GM like Chris Wallace is that he’s held the job for 22 years, and he said he hasn’t seen much in the way of raises. I’m sure back in the mid 80s when he was hired his salary was at or above market value. Imagine having to ask your boss for raises with the limited success he’s had? I’m aware Sterling has had previous accusations of racism, but I believe ultimately what kept Baylor at the relatively lower wage is also what kept him employed. Sterling has always cared more about the bottom line and keeping costs low than winning. In his later (and increasingly more inept) years, Baylor was just a cheaper option than bringing in the next guy.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jukai, I do. At least, for his first years on the job. If he would have quit in the 80s or early 90s, he would have set back minorities in executive roles. For the last years? He was just getting a check.

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  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Z: so you’re saying his sense of working as a role model for his people eventually dulled down to just doing the job because he’s had the job for so long?
    I can see that.

  • CHE

    Elgin Baylor stayed because he was getting paid. Not because he cared for his people. That’s the cookie cutter answer he will present to the court. I am not saying this Sterling guy isn’t racist. I am just upset that Baylor wants to all of a sudden pull the race card after he gets let go. Now he isn’t getting that fat check so hey let me talk about how I was mistreated. I have a problem with that. How about this, Any money that Baylor recieves from this settlement (if he wins) have him donate it to the NAACP. If he is all about making the lives of young black men better.

  • Young Chris MP3

    Elgin Baylor is a martyr…

  • Torrance

    I hope the judge walks up to the plaintiff and the defendant and hits them both on the head. Hard. And then goes on with the next case.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Elgin Baylor didn’t land on the Clippers, the Clippers landed on Elgin Baylor.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    hahahahaha… thanks Russ!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Russ wins.

  • The Seed

    Why did Baylor stay for 22 years, we don’t know, money could be it, but its true, if he would have cried racism after two years, think about how it would have set back minorities in those postions. He’s right. I have worked at jobs with racism, and I have left jobs because of racism to find better ones. I have no problem if it is true of him waiting until he got canned. Its his right and if sterling is racist, I wouldn’t want to play on the clippers.

  • Bash

    White privilege is quite evident on this site.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    The Seed: for 20 million a year, you would.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    CHE, I just don’t get why you’re so cynical about this. What would you prefer? That Sterling does NOT get sued? It’s a civil law suit so there’s no need for mens rea. If he said what Baylor is claiming that he said, he deserves to catch a case. And, dude, CHILL about the money. It’s not coming your way ANYWAYS.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Z: not exactly, while INTENT doesn’t come into play, the connotation’s do take effect. If he can prove he said those words without any racial meanings (IE he was actually stating that he was giving a kid who was poor and black a large contract), then the judge will side with the defendant. This is more than just proving who said what.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Racial meanings = racist meanings… or racist intent, I guess.

  • CHE

    I guess growing up I was raised “make no excuses in life.” And I feel the black community uses race as a crutch. When do we actually get off our a$$es and do something about it. Rather than sit and complain about how we are mistreated work harder to get what you want. Don’t make excuses for why you didn’t get what you worked for. Just work harder. Yes life is unfair but who said it was going to be fair? It’s a uphill battle even with Obama president but doesn’t mean we won’t have to work hard for what we want. There is no excuse for the african american community to have the highest drop out rate in the nation. Should we blame that on the white man?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    That wouldn’t stick, though. I don’t see how you could spin ‘offering a lot of money for a poor black kid’ as something that is not demeaning. If anything, I’m quite shocked that Baylor doesn’t have MORE dirt on Sterling after 22 years.

  • BostonBaller

    I always say “YOU MUST TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO TREAT YOU OR THEY WILL TEACH YOU HOW TO BE TREATED”. I forget where I got that but it is true. If you do not require people to respect you and treat you right then they can treat you any way they please and feel justified b/c you haven’t set any boundaries.

    He was getting lower pay than other GM’s and it seemed as if he sucked at his job but he wasn’t really pulling the final strings on decisions. Think about it, if you sucked that bad, an employer would not keep you for 2 decades UNLESS they needed a scapegoat. He may have taken one for the team but that team was the Clippers not a race…I’m Black and have worked in “bad” places but I didn’t stay there for 15 years for “my people” I stayed for my bills. lol. When it’s all said and done Baylor will be known more for his bad GM’ing than his great playing days and NOT at all for his “ONE FOR THE TEAM” sentiments. This is just one mans opinion.

  • CHE

    Z, The issue is not whether or not Sterling did what he did. The issue is about why after 20 years and after he is fired he wants to pull the race card all of a sudden. Like I said if he really cares about young black men show it. Where are his charities to the black community? He wants to be this martyr but what is he doing or has he done in the past 20 years? So to me it’s about Baylors Character. I think if he was so passionate about not allowing young black men being abused by Sterlings authority he would have spoken up sooner. Instead of WATCHING them suffer while he was GM. I think Baylor did more damage to the team for sucking at his job.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    CHE, somewhat would be the answer. That’s just history, facts. I hate when people try to sweep that under the rug. It doesn’t mean that we have to be angry at white people or be racists. Why does it have to be either/or? Can’t we work harder AND not let racist attitudes and comments fly? Jewish people never let anything fly and I think that’s great. It does not stop them from working hard, does it? Racism is not okay and I don’t feel like we have to take it on the chin and keep moving. No need for anger or victimization, it’s just self-respect.

  • CHE

    BostonBaller you are right on point. I agree with all of that.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    No posts from Allenp yet?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    ‘The issue is not whether or not Sterling did what he did. The issue is about why after 20 years and after he is fired he wants to pull the race card all of a sudden.’
    No, that is YOUR issue. I could care less about Baylor’s motives to tell you the truth. If he did this for his community, great. If not, whatevs. The case is about Sterling making racist remarks on the daily. Would you really feel better if that case had been brought up by someone else on the Clippers?

  • CHE

    Z i agree that you don’t tolerate it but you don’t sit and cry about it either. You work harder because the honest truth is there will ALWAYS be racism. So are you going to sit your whole life and fight everyone who says something inappropriate to you or will you brush your shoulders off and keep steppin. We are so quick to pull the race card. I live in the MOST segregated City in the nation MILWAUKEE, WI. Blacks live on the north side, hispanics live on the south side and the whites live in the burbs. I am talking from experience that if I was to fight after every time someone called me a nigger or disrespected me because of my race I wouldn’t have time to focus on my family, my job and school. I mentor young minority kids and I tell them don’t make excuses for why you don’t get what you want in life. You gotta take it. Yes there is a time to stand up for what is right but you have to choose wisely. Baylor stayed for the money because he knew he wouldn’t find a job anywhere else because he sucked at what he did. PERIOD. don’t use the white man kept me down all these years and i stayed for the people. that’s B.S. not to say what Sterling did was right. I just think Baylor should have dealt with it sooner. That’s all i am saying.

  • CHE

    Z if you read the headline of this article it asks why Baylor stayed so long? So that is the issue it’s not my issue..lol I was just sticking to the topic

  • BostonBaller

    @CHE: I was also taught not to use my color as a crutch and as far as Obama is concerned I’m not looking towards him or any politician to help me in any way. As far as your “There is no excuse for the african american community to have the highest drop out rate in the nation.” You are correct to a point. If the schools in the inner cities are not given the proper funding for simple things such as new books and updated classrooms and activities then I blame it on society and parents who don’t get involved. If a child goes to a nice school in the suburbs that has every learning tool imaginable and the funds for teaching and a child that goes to an inner city school with old books dating back 10 or 15 years and the school doesn’t have funding to even fix the basics then which child is more likely to drop out? Again, I agree we should not limp around or the race crutch or try to spend the race card.

  • littleshotlarry

    A lawsuit does not equal “blaming the white man.” Baylor could have blamed the white man 20 years ago but instead he toughed it out.

    The fact remains that Sterling needs to be called out, no matter what you think of Baylor. It baffles me how much some black people can hate their own so much that they have to come to the defense of a white, racist billionaire (or whatever he is) so they can say black folk have no more excuses. No more excuses, work harder than everyone else, and when you’re the victim of and racism, shut up and bare it! Well, guess what, Baylor did that for 20 years in order to see his people come up after him. I applaud him for that, personally. But even after all of that, he was rewarded with no raises etc. Why the hell shouldn’t Sterling have to be held accountable for his racism now, Elgin has nothing to lose at this point, and I applaud him for his actions now and his stoicism for 22 years. Elgin is faaaar from perfect, but its become clear to me that he is trying to do what is right for his people (by that I mean black people), which is a foreign concept to those with the get-mine-victimization-doesn’t-exist mindset.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Uh, you’d be surprised what is spun in the court of law with a good lawyer, Z.

  • CHE

    littleshot Don’t get it twisted, If sterling said and did what Baylor is accusing him of then he should be dealt with PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I ain’t for racism at all. My point is Baylor shouldn’t use “i did it for my people bull sh!t”. He should have protected his “PEOPLE” by coming out with this information sooner rather than having his “people” go through it with him for 20 plus years. lol That’s my whole point. Just keep it real and say you know what I was getting paid even though I wasn’t great at my job and no other team would have hired me so I endured the racism to feed my family. Don’t act like he was Dr. Martin Luther KING fighting for his “people” That’s all I am saying, Sterling if he did do what baylor is saying he did, they need to handle that fool.

  • The Seed

    I agree, Baylor should have done some charities, donated some money or something, since he is using the race card now. If he can prove it, prove it. If Baylor can’t he should be fined for being dumb. We as blacks who are misinformed do play race cards, and I can’t do this because of the man, I am a teacher and mentor, so I see kids make mistakes in teens, that affect them the rest of their life. To me its about programs for kids, and role models. Not these rappers who talk big, live big and have big security. Blacks have to many role models that don’t care about them. The real reason for the drop is single parent homes and some men not being raced by men, but want to be thugs, who when grow up in their forty’s are lost, because they wasted their life trying to live and look big. The more I think about this article, the more this civil suit now sounds dumb. Baylor take your money and live on by the water and fish to relax yourself of all this racism at clipperland.

  • Diesel

    @What – I was thinking the same thing…I’m sure Allenp is going to recommend 3 books that we all read about racism at the executive level. I think what’s hurting Elgin’s case is that he IS saying this after 22 years so now he just looks like a disgruntled employee. Whereas had he said something earlier, while still employed by the Clippers, maybe he would have had a little more merit.

  • riggs

    people must have confused 1989 with 2009 for some reason

  • CHE

    Racism is not a person it’s a mind set. So we aren’t fighting another race or a person we are fighting a mindset that they grew up with. So you can never focus on someone elses perception of you or your race. You can only strive to be a better person for yourself. Peoples perception of you can’t hold you back from you becoming what you want to become. That is all I was saying NO EXCUSES. If you have a boss at your job that is mistreating you and being racist towards you, DOCUMENT IT, keep a record of it till you have sufficient evidence and take that fool to court. It doesn’t take 20 years to do that. So back to my point again yes baylor may have experience racism from his boss but i don’t feel he did it to help his people. He should have handled it YEARS AGO. not after he gets fired.

  • CHE

    Diesel i agree he waited too long to say something and that’s why i don’t buy his i did it for the people garbage. you get fired and all of a sudden you want to pull the race card.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Didn’t I say Elgin would make this argument in the post yesterday?
    What’s astounding is that most of y’all never even considered this.
    That’s says a lot about how most people view racism and black people’s reaction to it.
    Simply put, it’s rarely, RARELY that cut and dry with racism. Sometimes you put up with certain stuff because you see a larger goal or you have other responsibilities, or you’re just plain lazy. Other times you take a stand.
    It’s sad that so few people have thought about this issue. Very sad.

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