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Wednesday, February 11th, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  195 responses

Post Up: Bron’s Wasted 47

And Stephen Jackson with another big night.

by Holly MacKenzie

Buried within the comments yesterday was a comment that stuck out to me and of course, I feel like I have to address it. From Tarzan Cooper who upon hearing that I have never suited up and tightened my laces to hit the courts, was the suggestion that I am not in love with basketball, but am instead in love with being a fan of basketball. While I probably should let this be as it is an opinion and opinions are never really wrong, I am unable to and have been successfully baited into responding to this one.

I would agree 100% that I am madly in love with being a fan of this game. I love going to sports bars and rooting for my guys (unless of course, it is the Lakers, in which case, I go it alone with the exception of perhaps one person I can handle watching with), I love being able to have a topic to converse about with people wherever I am. I love how sports links us. I love getting swept up in playoff Sundays, late night Thursdays, Inside the NBA, SLAM, SI, ESPN The Magazine, HOOP, Handle and everything in between. I love loving the game.

Now, do not get it twisted. I will make it very clear that just because my love affair with this game has followed a different path than yours, it does not lessen my love or appreciation of it.  The notion that because I’ve never played for hours on end in the dead heat of summer I couldn’t understand the pure need to have basketball in my life? Four years of a university career I was a basketball manager. Was this a glamorous profession? Ask Lawrence Frank, I’m sure he’d agree with me. The furthest thing away from glamorous as you could get, but the closest you can get to the game when you don’t suit up yourself.

As part of that title, I washed laundry. Dirty, gross, basketball-sweat soaked laundry. Every. Single. Day. Of. The. Basketball. Season.

Sometimes twice a day if there were two-a-days over Christmas break or shootarounds and run throughs on game days.

In addition to the 2+ hours spent at practice six days out of the week before season starts, plus the hours spent nightly when it does, I’d average another two hours daily, doing laundry. Laundry that wasn’t my own. We all know how much college students love laundry. Most of us don’t do it until we go home on the weekends. That’s another thing. Going home. When given the choice between going home for Christmas vacation or staying at school to assist the team with practice, I chose the latter. Home for four days out of a possible two weeks and then back to school to get to work.

Most of my non-instructional hours during the day were either spent in coaches offices or on the court where a member of the coaching staff was going through a workout with someone else. When I had a question, I got an answer and it was by far the best decision I ever made as someone who IS in fact, in love with this game. Maybe not as a player, but definitely in love with the game.

Sure, I understand the essence of what was being challenged. I have never hit a game-winner, never stepped in for a charge, never felt solely responsible for a loss, nor partially responsible for a victory. I get it. I’ve never wiped sweat off of my brow because I was exhausted after pouring out my soul onto the court.

Instead, I pour out my soul each night, while the rest of the world is sleeping, as I share my thoughts with you all because it’s the only way I know how to be.

I’ve laughed and cried with a group of players during the course of a season. I’ve seen the delicate balance a coaching staff has to maintain between keeping athletes focused but not fearful of making mistakes. Of being confident but not overly cocky. Of keeping players within the system, but also teaching them how to make the simple play to ensure that at the end of the day, they are playing basketball.

I’ve had the joy in seeing firsthand how basketball imitates life and how boys can become young men, and young men become grown, as they learn life lessons from the game. Getting to see star players become humbled, role players rewarded, and the tutorials of life being taught within those 94 feet.

While my love is different than many of yours, it most certainly is love. Love of the game. Love of the logistics of the game. Love of the fans, the freedom that can be found for those 48 minutes when a game is on. The escape I can feel from everything, as long as my eyes are facing forward, everything else forgotten, or at the very least, put on hold.

People say all of the time that basketball is their first love. I am one of those people. Rather than just saying it though, I’ll tell you why. Of anything and everything I’ve encountered in my life, it is basketball that has taught me the most about my self and it is basketball that continues to provide experiences and lessons every step along the way.

When I think of my childhood, it’s a miracle of sorts that I found basketball. I like to think that the game found me. I grew up in a one-parent household where my mother to this day still does not understand what a foul is or why it isn’t cheating. She doesn’t have a clue how this game works. I don’t even think there WAS a basketball league available, besides the junior-high boys team at my high school that I helped coach. There were no asphalt courts, no banged up, torn nets. If Canada is a hockey country, my hometown could have served as the shrine.

I think my proudest moment in high school was when my coach left us when he had a job transfer and he called me personally to tell me that he appreciated my love for the game. That above all else I respected it and I acted as a sponge and as long as I did that, as long as I tried to soak up as much as I could from the people around me I wouldn’t ever have to give the game up. So far, he’s been right.

I could go on for pages, but I’m sure you’ve already had enough. If at the end of this little bball history of mine, my love is still challenged because I’ve loved from afar rather than experienced in in full, well, that is quite alright with me. At the end of the day, I am the game and the game is me. That’s my truth. Pure and simple, just like Ray Allen’s jumper.

Now, onto the action from last night.

Bron had 47 points in a one-point loss to the Pacers. He definitely didn’t look amused to see his Cavs drop their second straight, losing 96-95 to Danny Granger’s squad. This one went down the wire (and by down to the wire, I mean, lots of action happened with less than a second on the clock), and didn’t finish until Granger made a free throw with 0.2 seconds on the clock. While LeBron tied the game at 95 with two free throws of his own after the refs called a foul on the Cavaliers alley oop attempt with 0.8 seconds remaning, LeBron was the one to commit the foul on Granger and he was not happy about it. After Bron’s off-shooting night against the Lakers on Sunday, he hit 15-21 from the floor last night, but it wasn’t enough. Troy Murphy had 18 points and 15 rebounds for the Pacers while Granger shot only 5-18 for his 16 points. Mo Williams had 15 for the Cavs but shot only 7-18 from the floor and missed all five of his three-point attempts as the Cavs connected on only 6-21 from beyond the arc on the night.

Can someone explain to me what was with no Iverson but Rip still coming off of the bench?

The Wizards appeared to hang with the Hawks early on in their matchup last night, but Joe Johnson put in a strong effort, finishing with 22 points, 6 rebounds and 8 assists, to help Atlanta easily roll to the 111-90 victory. The Wizards were just sloppy, turning the ball over 17 times as compared to only 7 for the Hawks. Flip Murray continued his strong play, scoring 16 points off of the bench while Maurice Evans added 14. JaVale McGee had 18 points on 7-10 shooting to go with 11 rebounds off of the bench for Washington as Caron Butler scored 22 points and Antawn JamiBroking ankles regularly.son added 17 points and 12 rebounds in the loss.

The Nuggets rolled to an easy victory against the Heat last night, defeating them 99-82 in a game that wasn’t even that close. At the end of the first quarter, the Nuggets led 32-20 and they didn’t look back from there. Chauncey Billups scored 23 points for the Nuggets as Kenyon Martin scored 18 points and 10 rebounds and Carmelo Anthony added 19 and 9. Dwyane Wade scored 33 points for the Heat while Shawn Marion added 14. It was a tough night for the Heat offense and they had only 13 assists while turning the ball over 19 times. Eeek.

Those Spurs are tricky. I watched most of the first half of this game against the Nets and the two teams appeared to be battling, I thought we’d have a close one in the second and then suddenly, the Spurs were up 15. Of course. Damn you, Tim Duncan for being so consistent and for making me more scared than any other team, besides Boston. Outscoring the Nets 28-18 in the third, the Spurs had this one underwraps by the time the fourth quarter came rolling around. Duncan finished with 27/9/8 on the night as Matt Bonner scored 22 and Tony Parker added 20. The Nets were led by Vince Carter’s 25 points while Devin Harris scored 21 and Brook Lopez added 18 in the 108-93 Spurs victory.

The Raptors looked to be in danger of losing to the TWolves for awhile in the first half. Luckily for them, they turned it around. Had that dropped that one, man, I don’t know what this city would have done. Pretty sure Myles was at that one, so I’ll let him take it from here. I will say that Randy Foye is pretty good and Telfair is fun to watch… At least, he is against the Raptors D.

I may not end up watching much of the end of the Dallas/Sac game because I want to watch the Lakers and KD’s Thunder, but at the half, Shelden Williams has 14 points. Really.

Okay, that game is over, the Mavericks won 118-100 and Kidd finished with 15 and 12 while Josh Howard and Antoine Wright each scored 23 and Dirk Nowitzki added 21. Williams finished with 15 points on 5-6 shooting as Kevin Martin added 18 in the loss.

The Lakers let the Thunder hang around until the final quarter of their game last night, then decided to get serious and go on to the victory. Still, the Thunder put up a good fight, enough to scare the Lakers a little bit, just not quite good enough. Kobe finished with 34 points on his way to 23,000 (really, gah, makes me feel like he’s getting too old!), Pau Gasol scored 20 to go with 14 rebounds and Lamar Odom had 12 points to go with 18 rebounds. The stars for the Thunder were Russell Westbrook, finishing with 17 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 steals and Kevin Durant added 31 and 10.

Don’t look now, but the Golden State Warriors have their core and they are balling. Last night they blew out the Knicks 144-126 and Stephen Jackson again put together a fantastic line, this time dropping 35/6/10 on New York. Monta Ellis seemed to find his touch, finishing with 17 points as the Warriors overcame a 25-point, 11-rebound night from David Lee and 24 points from Al Harrington, back in his old stomping grounds. Even with the Knicks down 20, Lee was still in the game with 51.3 seconds remaining. Not sure what that was about. 144 points in regulation. Wow.

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  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Hmmm… Co-sign what TAD said.

  • slamfan4life

    atleast the bulls kicked ass….too bad bout bron tho

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    All joking aside, no one in their right mind questioned your love for the game, Holly. NO ONE.
    That being said, Tarzan Cooper is in the ‘stupid’ state of mind. Constantly. The rest of the commentators just treat him like a small pimple, just let it stay there for a day or two and let it fade without taking any action.
    Beautiful writing as always, by the way.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Holly’s my hero! On the real though…that was well done, lady!

  • Ken

    Don’t let yourself get baited. All that matters is that you know you love basketball. Most people just ignore dumb comments like that.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    It’s odd that Holly responded to Tarzan,because no-one else does.But I guess there’s only so many comments about reggae,NWO and other conspiracies and how great Kansas are(they’re not) you can stomach without saying something.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    NWO? Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall? Cool!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Very nice Holly. I was ready to get on here and rant about being up 14 points going into the 4th quarter and losing the quarter by 19 points is stupefying to me. How being up 10 points with 3 1/2 minutes to go and ending the game on the opposite end of a 17-2 run is quite embarassing and counter-productive; however, your words have made me less volatile for a brief period. As for your Rip question: I have no f*cking idea.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I believe i’m done with this excercise of NBA basketball until Friday night. I’ll be watching college the rest of the week.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    TAD….you should have seen me watching the Heat game last night if you wanted to see frustration in it’s purest form. Note to Eric Spoelstra: JOEL ANTHONY IS NOT AN OFFENSIVE PLAYER…..HE CAN NOT CATCH A COLD LET ALONE A BASKETBALL PASS……..PLEASE STOP SETTING HIM UP AT THE HIGH POST LIKE YOU THINK HE’S TIM DUNCAN.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Joel Anthony is Kwame Brown reincarnate?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Anyway E, i’m quite sure your team was leading 14! f*cking points going into the 4th quarter either. That loss HAS to be on the coach. Curry is on my sh*t list, for real. The honeymoon is f*cking over.

  • Shorty Boyd

    I agree that you love basketball, but I believe that one can’t truly appreciate the game, unless one has spent time playing it. Of course this may just be my biased opinion, but I believe that only people who have spent time perfecting a crossover, practicing a floater, etc. can truly appreciate it when they see it in the game.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    ^Another one?

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Once again, I’m forced to ask this question: I only played High School basketball for two years, dropped out of trying out for my college team when my grades started to dip… So did I love basketball for a while but realize it wasn’t really meant to be but we’re still good friendS?
    Furthermore, I actually CAN’T hit a floater for the life of me. So, when Nash hits a spot up three, I am supposed to be awed by the beauty of it… but when Parker hits a floater, I am supposed to be dumbfounded?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Joel blocks shots at a high rate….I’ll give credit were it’s due.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Meanwhile as a Hawks fan I’m delighted that Tad and Eboy were both frustrated last night! You tell them Holly! I can’t help but notice no one questions the male writers love for the game. You don’t have to justify your affection for this or anything else. Well, actually I’d still like to know how you manage to root for 3 teams in the same division, but other than that……..

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    I kinda knew that his remark stung ya, Holly. Was just surprised it took you this long for your (beautifully put) rebuttal. Only a woman can put it quite like that. Great article, thanks.
    Oh and GO MAVS! Terry under the knife? Dirk solid but not as spectacular as against the Bulls? WRIGHT to the rescue (you too, Ason). Just keep your heads up, guys… gritting out tough wins teaches you how to win in the playoffs.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    TAD: took you this long to put Curry on the Sh*t list? didn’t get the hint when he botched up the Rip-returning-from-injury situation, although the team was putting up a nice series of wins?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Can I make an odd comparison to Tarzan’s critique of Ms. Mac? And this is in no way supporting Tarzan’s theory or downtalking holly’s love…..just a comparison. There’s a lot of people in the world that say “I love kids”….”Kids are great”…..”my sisters kids,they’re just like mine.” and so on an so on. I for one….didn’t mind kids before I had my own…I actually had a huge compassion for one of my wife’s friends daughter when she was a baby/toddler ’cause we spent countless hours around her. But unless you have a kid of your own…..and experience that part of life as a parent….not just a surrogate….and see it from that angle…..there is no comparison to the person that thinks they love kids….it’s just not the same. Hope that makes sense.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Shorty:With respect,that’s a load of sh*t.Am I unable to appreciate music if I can’t play the guitar?Can I not appreciate movies if I’ve never been to film school,if I can’t paint,does this mean I can’t appreciate art?If I’m not a G V star does this mean I can’t appreciate a sunset(ok,you get the idea).
    Plus,me playing the game has only contributed to me hating the game(I lose a lot).

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    It actually does.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh and Jukai….you probably can’t hit a floater because you’re sorry….no other reason.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    H to the Izzo’s last sentence made me laugh…loudly. Damn, son.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Damn Eboy, I was going to co-sign on you eventually. Why you gotta go say that to me?

  • jackyl

    its a different love, plain and simple…

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Eboy: not being provocative here, but can you hit a TP-esque floater? I can do it all on the court, 3′s, up and under MJ type layups in traffic, dunks (on a good, non painful knee day), rejections, steals, assists, lockdown D from the 1-4 positions, but i can NOT for the life of me, figure out the floater.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    It’s just a joke, Jukai….you guys better hope we never have the SLAMOnline ball tournament, ’cause I’ll be talking sh*t to everyone like GP and having to fight off everyone with a short temper like Ron Ron in the Palace.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Dark: Because i’m not going to gloss over that situation again(and since his coming off the bench has been highly productive), i’ll just say I was also critical of him then. However, you cannot be knee-jerk with a first year coach. Again, all i’m saying is that Curry is on my sh*t list, not that i’ve complately lost confidence in the coach he can become. But you always see the true person in times of despair. Curry looks cool on the outside, but his decisions are mind-boggling during games.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Dark…..the floater is not easy…..but it’s a good weapon to have when your playing guys 7-10 inches bigger than you. Yes I have it…..but I don’t use it too often. I don’t really need to.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    A Slamonline tournament! FANTASTIC idea. Ryne? Make it happen.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    E: Well i’m 6.2, 210 and got good hops/hangtime, so i usually stay up until i see some daylight to lay it in, but the bloody floater technique is beyond me. Gotta find someone who is good at it so he can teach me, for when my knee’s totally go.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Dark: We actually have already discussed doing a SLAM get together, like a bbq/excursion type thing. The problem is that a majority of commenters are from outside the States.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    TAD: good points. all. i just hate the fact that Iverson’s only trip to the finals came with a coach he was having a love/hate affair with, and a bunch of (very good) role players, but give him some talent and things are looking this bleak. Pains me.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “I’d be foulin’…flagrant foulin’”

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    TAD: Hmm, if i had enough lead time, i’d definetely do my best to make it. Prefereably during the NBA season so i can finally watch a few live games…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    If I was Rick Mahorn, I would have torn off my damn microphone last night, grabbed a jersey, and showed them f*cking slackers how to play defense to close out a damn game.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Maybe Detroit should have hired Bill Laimbeer?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Aggressive TAD needs to meet with Wise Lebron to temper his spirit.

  • Andy

    TAD, the only possible reason I can think of for Curry still leaving Rip to come off the bench is the fact that Rip HAS been productive there. Maybe he felt to bring Rip back into the starting 5 would have interrupted the flow he has going with the second string. Not saying it was right, but it might be his justification for the decision.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Meh. Like I said, i’m watching all college ball until Friday. These dudes are done pissing me off.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Tonight is Duke/Carolina. Nuff said.

  • Bishop1405

    Praise Basketball…or the Lord!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Andy: That was exactly his thinking and I knew that. I’m just in the mood to question every thing Curry does at this point. Speaking of which, I didn’t like that way he crossed his legs on the bench last night.

  • riggs

    tarzan got PWNED

  • Andy

    If you were Curry/Dumars, who would you cough up to land Amare, TAD? The Pistons need shook, big time.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Andy: Sheed/Amir/draft pick(s), Sheed/Maxiell/ draft pick(s), Sheed/Amir/Afflalo (this one would hurt, but WTH).

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    How about ridding themsleves of Curry and hiring Paul Silas?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *themselves

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I would also throw in Bill Davidson’s private jet, Isiah Thomas’s retired jersey, and Dennis Rodman’s last sane brain particle.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    E: I’m just not a big fan of firing a first year guy, especially since we have been running coaches out of Detroit like disgraced former mayors.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Eboy: I got you were joking. I was joking myself; I was never going to co-sign you.
    A basketball SLAM tournment would be so fantastic… especially if the Slam writers participated. Myles would flagrant me so fast, it wouldn’t even be funny.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I think it’s safe to say I could probably get Myles ejected for assault and battery in about 10 seconds if i started comparing Jordan/Kobe stats. That or talking sh*t about Scarlett Johannsen.

  • Andy

    I definitely don’t think you should fire Curry, when almost every single player there was already there and used to playing in a certain system. I always think coaches need to be given time to try and mould the team in their fashion – including players. Any new coach will tell you that it’s like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole otherwise. Some players are just averse to playing in a different way.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai….that is why you languish away as a wannabee carbon copy of…….nbk?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Being an undersized post player in my day (Jr High and Freshman ball…ahem) I was able to bust the floater in the lane with decent-to-good accuracy. The main thing is too account for your own speed and be sure to get some arc on the shot. Also, I don’t think ANYONE can legitimately question Holly’s “love” for the game. No matter how much her experiences may differ from what others might perceive as the “way” to actually love the game.
    Sure, actually playing gives you a ton of insight and probably helps one appreciate how difficult it is to do the things we see in the L on a daily basis. But Holly does her damn thing and has all the respect in the world from me.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Keep Scarlett’s name out yo mouth E, thats my future wifey you’re talking about…

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Hey Eboy! NBK is a carbon copy of ME.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    ^CoSign

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    I bet if we all played in a tournament, Holly would take it to the rim on Tarzan Cooper and DUNK IT HARD and blow out both of his ACL and MCL’s instantly.

  • Andy

    If we all played in a tournament, I’d look like someone took the Birdman and put him in the tumble dryer for too long.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    ^Wow!!!

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Andy: So you look like Morrison minus the stache?

  • Andy

    God, I hope not.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Eboy: thou shalt not state the name of Scarlett in vain. except in the highest of praises. Amen.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Oh yeah, in the tournament, nbk is MINE!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    I get a-round ba donka donk

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    Since somebody mentioned him, Paul Silas will save the Bobcats one day, count on it.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    since everybody vacates when i come thru, i guess i will have a good a$$ conversation myself

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    BET: Did you see any of the games last night

    BATL: No

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    BET: So why are you here? BATL: For stimulating converstation of course!

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    uh oh. BET’s on his whole monologue spiel.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    BET: So what do you think of this Amar’e trade bussiness? BATL: I do not, however i hope it will happen fast so the media can talk about the real big story; Who will land Lebron James! BET: Ugh

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    This is better than the Watergate tapes.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    BET: I have been accused of monolouging? BATL: This is more like verbal m@sterbation, or verbation.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    who’s BATL, BET? (yayy, i poked the wild dog)

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    BATL: I have been questioned! I am Darksaber in disguise.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    BATL is Fulcanelli’s real name

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    BATL is the lint in your pockets

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ummmm….yeah.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    BATL is a figment of your imagination on vacation in reality.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    I need to go present my ‘Black History Month’ project. Until another day…

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Damn, this kid is energy reincarnated!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    “a figment of your imagination on vacation in reality” trademark BETCATS. The world will learn about Malcom X very soon…I am going next!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I still wait for the day that BET posts in Spanish….since he always says he’s off to Spanish clash around 11:00a.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *class

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    The world just got Malcofied. I just gave a phunky phresh presnetation!

  • seppo

    I personally think that basketball writers who have played the game – no matter at what level -are often more knowledgeable and insightful than those who haven´t. Nevertheless I enjoy Holly´s writeups. But it´s just something else when Lang writes about the game, especially when he shares memories of his own playing days. On the other hand I hate it whenever Henry Abbott over at Truehoop writes about his pick-up games at the YMCA.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Is Holly now officially the female Dick Vitale?

  • Candice

    @Tad that was a weird game last night. I gave up on the Bulls when the score was 94-79 favor.I go do some homeork, turn back to the game to see the Bulls only down by 1. It was simply mind boggling. Sheed with that stupid shot and Stuckey with that stpid foul made it no better. Also how they let DRose get to the hoop for a uncontested dunk?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Candice…I missed you yesterday…..but condolences to you and your fam.

  • Candice

    Did Dertroit feel like they had it in the bag or something? I’ll give this Bull team some credit and that’s they have returned to that Bull’s team a couple years back that never quit.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Candice: I really have no more energy to talk about the Pistons today. They are draining my soul. And yes, condolences to you about your mom. I would have no idea what I would do if something happened to mine.

  • Candice

    Thanks Eboy. I get my love of sports, particular the NBA from my mother I grew up with both parents in the house but my mother is the fanatic.My fondest memories come from the Bull championship years and watching the games with her. She had stop watching a little bit but I got back into it when the Bulls made the playoff’s those two year’s and definetly that year the swept the Heat(sorry). It’s going to weird when I go to the UC for a game now because she was my partner in crime.

  • Jackie Moon

    @Holly – I usually do say that if you have played organized basketball, you understand the game on a much deeper level, but I realize now that was a short hand, because after reading your post, I should have been saying if you have been closely involved in organized basketball, you understand way more about the game than some numb skull guys who only play pick up ball and recreation league ball.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Candice…..no need to apologize for the Heat sweep. I was a Bulls/Michael fan long before there WAS a Heat team. Btw….you mom sounded like one incredibly cool woman. You were a lucky lady.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    That’s a short-sided view too, Jackie. I don’t know if you can say Earl Manigault or guys in his legendary class of streeball legends were numb skulls for just playing street ball.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Condolences Candice, your Mom sounds like a really special lady.

  • Candice

    Thanks Tad . I don’t know what to say about the Pistons though. I guess I shouldn’t care but it’s just a weird thing to see and seem like a nice person.Another note Glad to see the Bulls come through on Johnny Redd” Kerr day. He looks bad right now and could barely talk. It was nice to some of the Bull’s from the first 3 peat together again. It was also real nice to see MJ clap the talcum in Kerr face like he use to do before every game.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    That being said, my mom knows nothing about basketball. However, I am slowly reeling my girl in.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    The Pistons are like an episode of “Lost”, they don’t make any f*cking sense anymore.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Myles should be along shortly to blast my analogy.

  • Myung

    I had your back in the comments section yesterday, Holly, and I enjoy your work. That being said, I sometimes think you’re a little too thin skinned compared to some of the other writers on SLAMonline. If you’re an aspiring journalist, then you probably need to let some things slide off you a little more than you do. Just making an observation and offering some constructive criticism. Take it for what it’s worth.

  • Candice

    Thanks .Eboy she was real cool. Hopefully tomorrow game on TNT will be good.

  • sab

    “Was this a glamorous profession? Ask Lawrence Frank, I’m sure he’d agree with me. The furthest thing away from glamorous as you could get”… what. the. ****. that last part isn’t even in English. jeeeeeezus – are you guys all just being nice to her because she’s a little girl and you think she might sleep with you??? typical self-serving “it’s all about me” stuff – can you please just tell us what happened, try to make as few mistakes as possible, and keep your Laker-loving to a minimum – then i might appreciate this column

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Yeah, you have uncovered our true intentions sab. Loser.

  • Jackie Moon

    @eboy – Earl Manigualt played high school ball, or some other form of organized ball, didn’t he?

  • Candice

    Not saying that the males in my family don’t like sports.But all I saw growing up was my mom and my aunts watching sports. My father has alsmost every Bull playoff game from the late 80′s to 98 on VHS but he never really sat and watched a game until he knew for sure they won.

  • Candice

    Thanks ciolkstar.

  • Jackie Moon

    @seppo – I have no doubt that Lang would outplay Henry in a game of basketball. This is mostly based on the fact that Lang played varsity high school ball, and I saw video of Henry at Thorpe’s bball camp.

  • sab

    TAD – can’t see any other explanation for the outpouring of praise after another 1000-word error-laden self-serving diatribe… love the game? write about it then, please!!!!

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    wow, i certainly didnt expect this. for clarification purposes, holly is obviously passionate about all things basketball. in short, she loves watching, writing about, and discussing the game. in my view, in order to be truly in love with basketball, you have to play it, and at least be more than average. playing once a week with friends doesnt cut it. you must have a burning desire inside to hoop. have you ever known it was going to rain, and the sky foreshadowed the precipitation, but you absolutely had to get some run in that day?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Seppo said “I personally think that basketball writers who have played the game – no matter at what level -are often more knowledgeable and insightful than those who haven´t”
    Ummm I’d like to challenge that. Have you seen Jamal Mashburn on television ever?
    Have you listened to Reggie Miller ever? And this is off subject, but Emmitt Smith……..
    My point is just because you played the particular sport, it doesn’t mean you are more qualified to talk about it. Not everyone is able to gracefully put into words their thoughts and opinions on things they may have first hand knowledge about. I think Holly is great at writing about basketball period. That is all.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Tarzan do you think all of the writers for Slam are playing basketball several days per week?? Um, they aren’t.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Different levels of love, Tarzan.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I love basketball more than the last three commenters. That is all. :)

  • http://myspace.com/arodakaroman and1ballermj2350

    Love of the game…how can you question that? uhg, some ppl are ignorant. Yeah, Bron nron didn’t look too happy after that game. Granger is a beast!

    Go (robot) Spurs!!

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    coco, of course not, they arent hoopers.
    tad, thats my whole point.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    Tarzan is a virgin so he can’t appreciate p0rn.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    You know…..this argument (is that what this has become?) is becoming more interesting. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard people say (including myself and about 85% of the commenters here) “how would you know….have you ever PLAYED the game?” It’s a common response when someone questions a players ability in the lig. It is a valid argument….in certain situations…..although in Holly’s it’s odd….it’s kind of a wash, because she is so obsessed with the game and all it’s branchs and she is as knowledgable as anyone about the game….even though she can’t truly put herself in Lebron’s shoes…Kobe’s shoes….Shaq’s….whoever. Well, they’re not wearing stiletto’s so that’s out….but whatever.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Tarzan from the crazy things I have seen you say you don’t seem to play basketball as much as you want the writers too. You sound like a hypocrit

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    wtf is anton and nbk talking about? nbk, how can you say i dont seem to play basketball?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    From the rediculous crap that you say, you do not seem to be someone who has a “desire” to play the game even if they see a storm coming. haha which doesn’t prove anything because I had that desire when I was 6 but that didn’t make me any more knowledgable about the game.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Anyways I would rather listen to someone who majored in basketball in college over someone who plays in a park when its raining.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    i can’t believe there are actually people who critize Holly for pouring her heart out. the SLAM writers here treat basketball as a life style, not merely see it as a job. if you really dislike it that much, why did you even bother to read it AND comment? go have your faceless reporting at ESPN.
    Holly, at the same time, i agree with Myung. thick skin is very much a requirement in the media. i’m sure you’ll get there, because it’s for the love of the game.
    and to Tarzan, just because people doesn’t have the natural ability or the time to hone their basketball skills to be an above average player, that doesn’t mean their love of the game should be discounted. and that goes for all things in life. for example, just because i can’t afford a nice camera and doesn’t know enough about photography to take good pictures don’t mean that i don’t love and appreciate seeing beautiful pictures.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    nbk, that means you really enjoyed playing the game right?

  • Myung

    What up, Albie! Long time. BTW, don’t start throwing those analogies at Tarzan. I threw a couple out yesterday (movies and kicks), and he said they didn’t relate to basketball.

  • Myung

    Oh, and one more thing… as much as I disagree with Tarzan’s view, he’s certainly entitled to his opinion (and I know other people who share his view). I’m not sure he deserves to be bashed, just because he shared an unpopular view. I don’t agree with you, bro, but I’m not mad at you. I’ll admit that when Holly said she’s never played before, I was a little shocked too. It doesn’t diminish her hoops love, but it was still a little surprising. I guess I just assume (stupidly perhaps) that everyone on here loves to play ball.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Always have but I am not stupid enough to think that just because I have played basketball competitive, in the rain, recreationally, that does not mean I know more then someone who has been involved with basketball in every way except playing. You discrediting Holly’s love for the game of basketball because you have played and didn’t get anywhere, and she never played and IS somewhere is downright ignorant. She would not be holding a job for a basketball magazine if she didn’t love the game. You can’t put your whole professional life into something that involves the opinions of others to decide your success if you don’t LOVE and KNOW what your talking about through and through. Unless your name is Sean Deveney (he may know what he is talking about sometimes but that guy is in it for the paycheck not the sport and i can’t respect that)

  • Myung

    sab is another story.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I knew Holly didn’t play from like the first moment she became a SLAM intern/writer/Snow Queen. Is that odd that I rememberd that?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    And I am not bashing you for having an opinion, I am merely trying to correct your wrong assumption. For two reasons….first- don’t assume, you know what they say…and second your wrong, and that is never an ok thing to let go without atleast trying to fix it

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *remember. Is it odd that I had three “that”‘s in one seven word sentence?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    nbk trying to correct someone is like Stephon Marbury giving someone pick up lines.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Here is the thing: Yes, I see Tarzan’s view, although I do think it is a bit short-sighted. I tend to think you wouldn’t have the knowledge of the game or how hard a certain move is or how intricate certain plays are drawn up or how to set an exact screen or how to properly box out unless you have played the game. You can understand the concept, but not as well as someone who has actually sweated thru a practice. However, just because you may not have the playing knowledge of someone does not mean you don’t have the love of that sport just like that person. Again, Holly may not have first-hand playing knowledge, but just the fact she helped coach and was a team manager still makes her very knowledgeable. Love is love.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    nbk, youre putting words in my mouth. i never discredited holly. i never said that because i play i know more than other people. im sure i do know more than other people but its not because i play, its because i follow the league very closely. ive just said that to me, hollys love for the game isnt as real as people who play it all the time. you can write, report, post up all you want, but if you dont play you wont be able to describe the feeling of coming back from a large deficit, or how it feels to cross someone, or get crossed, etc. etc.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Not for you, E.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I get Tarzan’s point of view….I think he’s worded it incorrectly is all and it’s thrown people into a tizzy.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Go find a coach, TAD.

  • Myung

    I actually tend to agree with that, Tarzan. I just think you worded things in a harsh way yesterday. If you had perhaps chosen different words, your comments wouldn’t be inspiration behind today’s Post Up. :-)

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Tarzan is a moron. According to his rules nobody who didn’t play D1 ball “loves the game”. I actually can’t believe everyone has dignified his ridiculous supposition with two days of comments/responses.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    E could ANY one of us, no matter how good we thought we were in HS, REALLY put ourselves in LeBron/Kobe/etc’s shoes? I seriously think not…

  • Myung

    This is basically the “Robin Williams vs. Matt Damon” scene when Robin Williams dresses down Damon in Good Will Hunting, no?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Very nice, Myung. Now, I do hope I can come back here tomorrow and say my Pistons beat your Hawks.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    ciolkstar, we can all put ourselves in LeBron and Kobe’s shoes…for a couple of hundred bucks.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    Myung, good to see you here today too. I missed yesterday fun fest, i suppose. I don’t even have time to go back to read it. i believe we are arguing about definition again (this time is “love of basketball”) which will get us nowhere. but yeah, who’s the “robin williams” and “matt damon” here? i actually missed that analogy, shame to admit. (and i LOVE that monologue right in front of the lake, possibly my most favorite ever)

  • Myung

    I’m thinking Holly is Matt Damon and Tarzan is Robin Williams. Of course Tarzan shot down my movie analogy yesterday, so it would be hypocritical of him to endorse this particular analogy, even though in some ways, I’m sort of taking his side for a change.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    For Tarzan to be Robin Williams wouldn’t he have to be atleast somewhat logical? He would have a point if Holly was trying to tell someone what things work on the court compared to others but she is not a strategist. It honestly makes no sense to say someone can’t actually love something unless they’ve actually done it. Thats like saying you don’t love the person your marrying unless you two have already done it (sex). Even though that is “wrong” by religious standards. It sounds like a double standard, Holly has “married” her professional career to basketball without ever even playing it. Same as marrying a person without knowing what they are like under the sheets.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    interesting. i’ll have to think about that for a moment. =)

  • Myung

    Tad, should be a good game. We should have our starting 5 intact tonight (I know we had them together last night, but it’s been a rare occurrence). No excuses. Eastern Conference 1st round preview?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Tarzan being a fan and a player you go through similar emotions when your team is coming back from a defecit and blowing a team out. And crossing someone, and getting the crowd to ooh and ahh has to be very very similar to holly writing a good post up and all the commentators telling her she did a good job. Its the same thing, blatant recognition for a job well done, the difference is physical and mental. And to write about basketball you don’t have to experience the physical.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    What is your definition of a good game, Myung? I’ll be happy with a W, regardless of how ugly it is. I never thought I would see this day this season. Ugh. As for 1st Round preview: “PLAYOFFS?! YOU’RE TALKING PLAYOFFS??!! PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!?

  • sab

    great comment myung………. i don’t think people would stick up for Holly nearly as much if she was a man. i don’t think people would stick up for Holly AT ALL if she was a man. people would see the writing for what it is. Albie – take your point – i keep coming back here, hoping that the potential has been tapped and an awesome website has been made… but now, we just keep getting the same 15-20 people having their personal discussions and thinking they’re Kings of the Message Boards.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I actually was granted a crown, sab…..it’s gold…has about 40 different jewels on it….fits pretty good….I kind of feel like Flavor Flav when I wear it to the mall.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    WTF is a message board then? Its where you can post your personal opinion to people who can give you feedback. Your concept is all messed up

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Eboy got me rollin

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    :)

  • sab

    how many basketball fans do you estimate there are in the world? how many SLAM subscribers? how many regular contributors to the messageboard? ahhhhhh (watches the penny drop). Kill the outsider!!!

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    How many people know slam has a message board? How many people even read the message board?
    What do you expect to happen, without regulars NOONE would post. It especially good for the website to have REGULARS not 6000 random people that visit the site once in a while to see if its reached its “potential.” Whatever potential you were expecting is beyond me though

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Maybe the 20 of us regulars just love the game more than everyone else.

  • sab

    i’m guessing a lot of things are beyond you nbk… your brain doesn’t seem especially large… the potential i’m talking about would, pretty obviously, be a global community of many fans exchanging intelligent views. as opposed to 20 people talking to each other, throwing insults and praising terrible writing… that’s just me, realise you’re probably happy with this current situation, as you finally feel important somewhere…

  • sab

    co-sign Eboy hahaha please can i join your gang :-(

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    sab….perhaps you’ve never SLAM the magazine then. The day SLAM sticks to some structured, white collar reporting that you seem to crave and ditches it’s “street” grassroots, funny, insulting approach it’s had since it’s inception is the day you’ll be happy with it’s content and probably won’t have to deal with people that throw insults and praise “terrible” writers, because we’ll all be gone from here.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *never read. And I wasn’t trying to be insulting, sab…giving you an actual response to your thoughts.

  • Myung

    BTW, Tad, my definition of a good game: Stuckey and Horford play well (for my fantasy team’s sake), and the Hawks win a close game (I don’t really enjoy watching blow-out’s). I have my biases.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Sab- Obviously you dont understand how a successful business works, if something works you don’t totally change it and risk losing all your current business. But maybe thats past you and your giant brain.

  • sab

    ta eboy, appreciated, but i was with Slam from back-in-the-day until maybe 3 years ago when it went wack (just an opinion). don’t have the time to trawl the internet for blogs so this will do, but it’s the 4th or 5th time i’ve read through a “post-up”, thought “what the heck”, and then read loads of praise. it’s seriously……. weird. i honestly don’t think she’d get such support if she were a man. “just an opinion”. i don’t think this is street, grassroots, funny and insulting. i think it’s “talk about me, talk about the Lakers, point out there were other games too apparently, make some mistakes”…. anyway, bedtime in Europe (rolls eyes at the inevitable “he’s only from Europe, his opinions don’t count”)

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    And tryin to insult someone after saying your sick of reading message boards where people express there opinions and insult one another is total hypocritical bs and makes you no different then the rest of us. Your highness.

  • Candice

    I didn’t know I thought I was the king(queen) of anything or anyone else for that matter. I just like getting in discussions with certain people.Not our fault that no one else posts here. If someone wants to post here, it’s no one stopping them. When I first found this site, I just read everything at first. Then one day I decided to join in the fun and the regulars welcomed me with open arms.

  • sab

    nbk – have to run that one by me again. what’s the business, what’s working? presumably this website, and the “working” would be the advertising revenue it generates, i guess? i’ve gotta say, you and your little friends’ discussions don’t really contribute to that. sorry. indeed, they could probably generate more advertising revenue if they made the messageboards more accessible. (for example, the eternally irritating “you’ve got one day to comment on a story or it’s GONE FOREVER!”)……. i try to see things from others’ perspectives, so here goes – is your opinion “the article may be garbage, and our discussion praising her and talking about levels of love of basketball may be bizarre and only involve a few regulars, but i like it, so **** the world, i rule” ?

  • Candice

    @Tad, I’m on your side tonight. The Bull’s are off tonight so tonight I’ll cheer for the Piston’s simply beacuse they need a win in the biggest way. Is Stuckey playing tonight?

  • sab

    Candice – i’ve read for a while too, didn’t clock you as a regular, sorry if you felt tarnished by my umbrella term. TADone did respond to my first comment by calling me a Loser, so i did not feel so welcome at expressing my opinion… indeed, a couple of people getting awful defensive at what is, after all, just an alternative opinion… sorry, i just don’t conform…

  • sab

    “Not our fault that no one else posts here” – kinda sums up so much of what i’m saying…

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    For one, the contributing that matters is more or less on the contests page. That is where the people on the message boards actually matter.
    And I don’t know about anyone else but I did not defend holly’s writing, I defended the FACT that you can love and know the game without playing it.
    I don’t know about everyone else but I am not into journalism as much as I am into basketball, and this website/magazine is the ONLY place you can go and get the opinions of others who have a similar “love” for the game. The fact that the post ups invlolve regulars is not something that should upset you, because a casual fan will hardly care about anything other then the big stories. And when those big stories do happen the board is not as same person dominant as the regular posts.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    And the fact that your in Europe has a little to do with you only reading when the regulars are posting. The regulars being people who can use a computer while working is not an overwhelming number, hence not an overwhelming number of contributors. In europe it must be like 3 am when the majority of people jump on the boards and say what they say. But then again a vast majority of contributors are high school kids who wouldn’t know good journalism anyway

  • Candice

    @Sab, conform at what? I don’t see what you see. I see all types of people on here posting with different pov’s. Seriously it all it comes down to this: if you you don’t like it then don’t read it or visit the site no more. No reason to complain about it. You can fix the problem. Also I think I’m vaguely remember your first post and it didn’t come off as welcoming.

  • http://www.dinonationblog.com James Borbath AkA The Dino Blogger

    Holly has a great love of the sport and is one of the most positive people I read on a daily basis. I happened to have met her before I ever read a thing she had written. In meeting her I could tell instantly how much she loves the game. Personally why she felt the need to defend that is beyond me. It is clear in every word she writes. Haters, Hate and Doers, Do. Holly is a doer even if that is not a proper word. Keep doing what you do.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    3 points to sab:
    1) I WOULD defend the writer of this article whether it’s a male or female. it’s a background story about how a person pay the dues to be as close and as involved with something the person loves with a passion. that gets my respect regardless of sex, race, age, whatever.
    2) don’t newspapers and magazines have opinion/editorial sections other than regular reporting? this site does report with a little more “color” than other magazines/sites, but there’s no publication that can be 100% absolutely un-bias, because everything involves some sort of perspective.
    3) as for the global community thing, i believe we have a few regulars from Australia, a good handful from Europe, and some from S. America. there are even some commentators from Asia sprinkled in. and I completely don’t understand your issue with having regulars. hmm, aren’t teams made up of starters, stars, and role players? what kind of team would it be if everyone is a role player? there’s always going to be someone who step up and perform more than others. that goes beyond sports, that’s everything in life.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    You tell him, albie. us unfortunate, egoistic regulars are such a pathetic, insulting bunch, we need to repent, in sab’s eyes. Oh wait, like i give a rat’s anus what some guy has to say regarding my commenting status or content. Like Candice said, “don’t like, don’t read”. And being from europe has no influence in the proceedings here, i played that game since day one of slamonline.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    Mo just dropped 44 points and 7 assists on the Suns.
    Oh wait, are we still arguing?

  • http://oytun.co.uk oytun

    Sure you love the game Hollie, but do you truely understand it?

    -Do you know the pain in your chest you get at the end of the game when you’ve been busting your balls the whole game on both sides of the floor?

    -Do you know that feeling of embarassment you get when someone totally blows by you?

    -Do you know about the pressure you feel at the freethrow line with the game on the line, or the intensity of being under full court pressure, a double team, a trap?

    -Do you know about the challenges of leading a team on the floor, and managing egos, calling the right plays?

    Sure you can guess these things, but you won’t truely understand it until you have lived it.

    The same way I won’t truely understand what going to war and fighting for your life is until I’ve been in the military.

    No amount of dirty laundry washing or watching war movies can change that for us.

    However that doesn’t mean you can’t do a good job in your own niche – as you have been doing. But just don’t assume it’s negligible.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I guess no one’s ever written properly on death or dying since all those jerks were still alive. I can’t believe this happened.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Wow, Deron William seems to be healing up nicely. 5 games in a row with 30+ points? Taking the Lakers down a notch? Can i get an amen when i state that Deron is just as good as the other pointgod everyone gushes about over there in n’awlins? Anyone?

  • http://oytun.co.uk oytun

    Yes no one’s truely written on death. Dying – now that’s another story. I like looking at pictures, but will I be able to understand photography as much as someone who’s studied the ins and outs of shadows, color contrast, light balance etc…? There’s no reason to take it personally or to heart, because most times it won’t affect whatever you’re writing. But if I told a war hero “Hey, I know just as much as you do about war, I’ve seen Saving Private Ryan 40 times…” you can begin to understand my meaning I hope.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXuolMTzuz0 Nbk

    Where does she imply anywhere that she knows what the players are going through on a competitive level? And the fact that your chalking it up to sex is a total cop-out, if Lawrence Frank was writing for Slam before he hit the coaching circuit and you ignorant people bashed him because of a lack of experience and then went on to see him coach in the NBA while your still watching the games what would you have said to him then? The real question is would you be questioning her level of experience if Holly were not female? I know the opposite has been asked about us defending her, but what has even illicited these comments?

  • http://oytun.co.uk oytun

    This has nothing to do with the sex of the person, but everything to do with the experience of a person. Holly didnt say she knew as much as anyone – I took the conversation there because I thought it was interesting area to discuss. You really honestly don’t think that having first hand experience in something will help you understand that subject better. For years I studied business, followed news, read books and case studies but all that meant nothing until I actually got into a company and actually started working. Imagine a 22 year old business graduate writing seriously about business – can you not see the limitations of what he can write about and be taken seriously?

  • lg

    All the Holly haters on this thread don’t seem to understand something. Holly is a great writer; I’m sure she’d be great at covering presidential debates or stamp collecting. Knowing how to write clearly, effectively and confidently is a skill honed over time, with much practice. Just like, hmm, basketball. Most of the comments bashing her “basketball experience or knowledge” are written so poorly and without any logic behind them. It makes me wonder if they were typed out completely by thumb – one on the keyboard and one up the ass.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    So my feelings on this:
    Your understanding of a concept is almost always affected by context.
    Look at Holly’s- 1 parent home, Canada, hockey town.
    Now look at many others: America, basketball town, male.
    If Holly were a male she likely would have been able to access more basketball type lifestyle traits. She may have played on a youth team and then a junior varsity team or something.
    How many girls do you see playing ball on a concrete court? Now how many men?
    Love is still love.
    Regardless of its source. Hers is just different to mine- or yours- or the next man or woman. If she’d been brought up in Indiana, she’d have played basketball most likely. Then you’d never have heard of her. Her path would’ve been different.
    Her path is different to that of mine, or Cliff’s, or Russ’s, Lang’s or Dargas.
    You know what though? That path leads to the same destination- the basketball court.
    You don’t have to have played the game to understand its complexities. So be it. Deal with it.
    Never missed a game winner? Ok. Never blocked a breakaway lay-up? Thats fine too.
    Now read what Holly did write. She washed clothes- not her siblings, or parents, or childrens- but those of others. For hours and hours. How many of you have cleaned a teams uniforms for free for 6 months? How many of you have helped to coach a team in ANY level? How many weeks did you spend with people purely for the love of it- over family? Over friends? C’mon.
    How DARE you undermine someone’s love for something that breaks down barriers- gender, culture, economic, race.
    You have no right.
    Her love is different. But just as passionate, just as strong. Maybe more so?
    I accept that my understanding of ‘love’ of the game is different to that of everyone else’s here. And that’s fine. It really is.
    ‘Your smile girl brings the morning light to my eyes’- Bruce Springsteen.
    Peace.

  • Krishan

    I come to these posts for the articles, not the comments. For all I care, you guys and Bar Refaeli can suck my d*ck.

  • Krishan

    That’s a lie of course. The comments can often times be as good as the articles. I just wanted to sound off how OMFGHOT Bar Refaeli is.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Leo fricking Decaprio is my nemesis (JT being a close second) strung Gisele along for years, now he’s “manhandling” the incredible Bar? Christ!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXuolMTzuz0 Nbk

    I hope Tarzan reads what Hursty wrote, little moron

  • http://oytun.co.uk oytun

    “You don’t have to have played the game to understand its complexities. So be it. Deal with it”. Sorry, that’s where I just have to disagree. I don’t have to ever have played chess to understand its complexities? What about a stockbroker, mountain climber, world leader? In each of those cases I rather read someone who knows exactly what they are talking about instead of someone who enjoys it from afar. Perhaps it’s just my personal preference… And if you think that basketball isn’t that complex to merit such attention, then I guess you are the type who looks at a box score and think you’ve watched the whole game.

  • NC

    The fact that you have to defend yourself is RIDICULOUS!!! By Tarzan’s logic does he understand and appreciate the game like Maravich or Erving did? Should he even be commenting then? Everyone has a slightly (to immensely) different feeling due to their experiences sure, but LOVE and appreciation are not related to strength of conviction in my mind.

  • NC

    Sorry … love IS related to strength of conviction. Life long love and experience following the game is just as powerful as having played.

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