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Wednesday, February 4th, 2009 at 11:00 am  |  328 responses

Where Have all of the White NBA Players Gone?

by Marcel Mutoni

Inquiring minds on the Utah Jazz want to know, it seems.

No, seriously. For reasons not yet clear, someone on the Jazz approached Salt Lake Tribune hoops scribe Ross Siller and wanted him to figure out if the white American ballplayer was a “dying breed” in the Association.

Here are Siller’s findings:

There’s a perception that white American players are a dying breed, and this player was interested in whether that was the case. It took me a couple of days to go through all the rosters, but I don’t think the evidence necessarily supports the belief.

There are 46 white Americans out of 432 players on current NBA rosters. That’s 10.6 percent of the entire league and about 1.5 white guys on average per team. Only Atlanta, Detroit, Memphis and Washington have no white American players.

Another factor hurting the dying breed argument: Of those 46 white American players, 14 have played three or fewer years in the NBA. That group includes rookies Kevin Love and Joe Alexander, which suggests there are more players in the pipeline.

So, there you have it. Nothing to worry about, Utah: plenty of white guys to go around.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Thank god for this post.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And thank goodness for Steve Nash, Marcel Mutoni, and all the other white guys from Canada.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Joe Alexander was born in China, wasn’t he?

  • ClydeSays

    Um, don’t they all play for Utah? Is there a paler team in the NBA?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    On my lunch menu today: Crackers and brie. ‘Cause crackers are crackers, and brie is WHITE. Probably some milk, too. I keeps it real!

  • http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/hollie30 Dang I’m Nice!!!

    Lol. And thank God for Wally Szcerrgiojigk

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Someone with access to the archive remind me what issue Slam did the all-white team. We need to revisit that sh*t pronto.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    John Stockton and Greg Ostertag denied comment.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Guys, let’s start naming our All-American All-White All-Time NBA team. Am I allowed to wiggle in Steve Nash or is that INTENSELY against the rules. Moreso, can I put in half of Jason Kidd and half of Mike Bibby?

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    I’ve already penciled Kevin Love in because I’m 99.9% sure he’s going to be a ten time all-star.

  • Candyman

    Hey leave the White people alone. I am not white but this Slam Post really let me down. Some may call it Racism. Like at the title Where Have all of the WHITE NBA Players Gone?
    No need too do this Slam. Just a make a few more dollors. No need… No need at all.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Damn, can I no longer include Chris Kaman because he’s German now? This list is going to be a toughie…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Wasn’t the All-White team in an early issue, like #2 or #3?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Chris Quinn is doing whites proud on the regular.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Toni Kukoc wasn’t American? When the hell did that happen? I thought there were no European players in the NBA before the year 2000!
    Alright, fine, I’ll add Bill Walton, but I still don’t think hippies are American.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    JJ Barrera? No….he’s a Mexican.

  • http://docfunk.blogspot.com Doc Funk

    Maybe Utah should focus on prospects out of the Big Ten. Certainly no shortage of white players there.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Coby Karl? Oh….he’s not employed by an NBA squad anymore.

  • Todd Spehr

    Where are you Tom Chambers?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Off the top of my head….I think the Pacers have the most American white guys. I know someone can verify this.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    I’m not adding Mullins on my list because I’m 87% sure he’s actually an alien.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    PG- Stockton
    SG-West
    SF- Bird
    PF- Mikan
    C- Walton

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Alternatively, I’m adding Rick Barry twice. With a full beautiful head of hair, and with a receding hairline.

  • Jake

    I hear Ben Handelogten(sp),Mark Pope and Paul Shirley are all free if anyone wants to sign a trade deadline white baller

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    As a white male…..I’d like to return Danny Ferry’s NBA contributions to anyone that would take them.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    TADOne, Jerry West was good, but he’s only the SECOND best white shooter of all time. There is someone out there with BETTER BASKETBALL form.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Boy….I could do this all day.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Ryan and Eboy: issue 1. SLAM really kicked off with a bang. For better or worse, other than Dennis Page there is no one else left who can take credit or blame for that idea.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai’s right……JJ Reddick!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Thanks Ben…..I knew it was early…..issue 1, huh? I need to take one of my copies out of hiding and give it a read again.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Remember that shot that West hit from half-court against the Knicks in the NBA Finals that sent the game into overtime? Yeah. JJ can do that pretty much whenever he wants.

  • Son of Shawn

    What sort of people claims taht there´s an issue because there aren´t more “white American” players in the NBA?

    They can´t be only white, like Dirk, Nash or Pau?

    They can´t be only American, like Shaq or DWade?

    So, they prefer a league repleted of Hinrichs, Blakes, Mark Popes and so (that would be really um…¿interesting?)

    Be quiet men, Maximus Szczerbiak will come someday to save you all.

    Somewhere inside his crypt David Stern is shouting “THE NBA IS GLOOOOBAL”

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Kevin Love, Kirk Hinrich and Mike Miller were all on the floor a couple of weeks ago. It was like a white dude All Star Game.

  • http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/hollie30 Dang I’m Nice!!!

    Wow this thread is cracking me up!!!

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Myles: White People All-Star Game. Be respectful to Miller’s gender, whatever that may be.

  • solito

    What about the D League…? How many white US players are REALLY int the “pipeline”?

  • Sebastian B. O. Bunionstow, esq.

    This is a racist article.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Dolph Schayes had wondeful publicity shots. Check Google images if you don’t believe me.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Does the white squad get half of Jason Kidd?

  • WhaHuh

    Jaric plays for Memphis

  • http://www.myspace.com/fullsoon Fredd

    No matter the color, a player has to be good, that’s all … I don’t see where this article is interesting ( maybe as my comment )

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Anyone whose first name is -Adolf- doesn’t get to be in the all-white all-american all-time NBA team, Eboy!

  • Marcel Mutoni

    Eddie Murphy and I recently became white. It’s working out pretty well for the both of us.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Does Diana Turasi get to back up Mike Miller?

  • Diesel

    Before Rose and Oden, wasn’t the first pick in the draft a white guy like 3 years in a row?

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Okay, I just learned that Adolf Schayes is Jewish, so strike out my previous comment twice.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Diesel: They were all IMPORTED. Don’t you get it man? We’re losin’ the good ol’ American white ballers!!! JJ is the last hope!!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    ^Dum Dum

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Alright, this was fun and all, I’ll leave the comments to continue in someone else’s hands.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Travis Diener has great facial hair.

  • Diesel

    If you feed Diana Turasi carrots, make sure you place it in your hand with your palm fully extended and your fingers close together. Otherwise she may bite off one of your fingers. She also likes to have her mane brushed once a week.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Damn Diesel, that was amazingly hysterical and cruel at the same time.

  • Diesel

    Being athletic is in her family…her father was one of the very first ‘diving horses’ with the traveling circus.

  • vtrobot

    Duncan is one of the best white players ever. I like when people try to convince me that Utah and Indiana don’t try to get the best players with the lightest skin.

  • http://docfunk.blogspot.com Doc Funk

    Sends @Diesel e-champagne.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    They used to have a diving horse in Atlantic City in the 60′s and early 70′s.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’m actually glad I didn’t mention Ruth Reiley.

  • Son of Shawn

    Talking about something that really matters (not about an article written obviously stroking the other´s duck against the keyboard, I supposse that S¡ler and Lhum had a good time while writing) I´ve found this quote on Internet: “My biggest thrill came the night Elgin Baylor and I combined for 73 points at Madison Square Garden. Elgin had 71 of them.”
    (Hot Rod Rundley)
    Somebody know if that´s true? cause if it´s I think that 71 are more than 61

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Scored 71 points (8th highest in history) against the New York Knicks (Nov. 15, 1960)

    What does this mean???????????

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Good find, SOS.

  • Son of Shawn

    PG- Steve Blake
    SG- JJ Reddick
    SF- Adam Morrison or Luke Jackson
    PF- Mark Pope or Josh McRoberts
    C- Bryant Reeves

  • Son of Shawn

    So, Kobe´s 61 wasn´t a record in the MSG???

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Why only white American born players? If it’s about skin color, then white players from everywhere should count. If it’s about country of origin, then Americans of any color should count.
    Why the focus on white, American-born players? Doesn’t that seem a little troubling?

  • Diesel

    Northwest Yahting Magazine is running a similar article on their site asking “Where have all the black yahters gone?”

  • Fred34

    Be afraid Utah, be very very afraid! There are hardly any white American starters. And there are (wait for it – wait for it) absolutely zero – I repeat ZERO mormon, white starting players. Feel free to leave the country once and for all ya special panty wearin crazy crakkkerz!!!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    My bad, somebody made my comment before me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    If I may paraphrase the headline of this post: “Where the Hell Has The Post-Up Gone?” I’m pretty sure this is just Holly hating on LeBron.

  • ka

    the real question is, where have all the short shorts gone. du du du, du du du.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Isn’t it even stranger that a player from Utah, the undisputed bastion of whiteness in the NBA, was the one asking this question?
    I mean, if you play for Utah, aren’t you pretty much in white NBA player heaven? Is there a safer haven for a white NBA player than Utah?

  • Mendel

    My dad always says that white people should not be allowed to play the professional game and anytime he sees a white players on the floor either college or NBA, he goes there gonna loose.

  • Fred34

    Yeah but this is the same state that actually put together a committee and funds to change a law in ANOTHER STATE – talk about a coup. Them’s some nosy a$$ mahhhfahhhas.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Steve Novak!

  • Ken

    All-time White non-American team

    PG-Nash
    SG-Petrovich
    SF-Kukoc
    PF-Dirk
    C-Sabonis

  • Michael

    Mendel, did your dad ever watch celtics games in the 80′s?

  • Keith

    Pointless article.

  • Michael

    all time white non american/non european/non south american team

    luc longley
    shane heal
    andrew gaze
    andrew bogut
    chris anstey

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Mendel, no offense, but you’re dad sounds a little stupid.
    Just saying.

  • Keith

    Mendel’s dad is funny.

  • Lumberjack

    Mark Price!!!
    Killer!

  • catalan

    white american: retarded and no muscle.

    afro american: retarded and muscle.

  • Keith

    Does anybody else think that there is a league wide conspiracy trying to stop white american ballers from playing pro ball?

    No, me neither.

    The whole subject is ridiculous. There just aren’t that many good white players.

  • Michael

    catalan and mendels dad should get together for a brain storming session. might resemlbe a mensa meeting.

  • Keith

    Catalan: Retarded.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Catalan’s a little too obvious. And La Liga sucks.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    they need to look further down than the NBA and into the nieghborhoods and families that discourage or encourage playing ball…that’s where the “conspiracy” really is.

  • Michael

    la liga has its good points, and still some of the worlds best players, however the way things are going in England it wont be long before every one of the top players will be in the premiership. Ryan, you ever been to the camp nou to see barcelona fc? One of my favourite sporting experiences

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    The Birdman > all these white boys

  • Wayne

    One name…Rik Smits…Go big Dutchman!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Dave Corzine was Gangsta!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Michael: Been to England a few times, but so far my only visit to the continent was a trip to Italy, and I watched basketball the whole time. Would love to get to Barca or Madrid (notice I didn’t say “Real”) one of these days. Mostly, though, I just wanted to see if the fraudulent Catalan was paying attention.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Who didn’t fear Mark Eaton!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Bill Bradley made a career out of ball AND politics…..not even Barack could pull off that daily double.

  • Wayne

    Can’t forget Kurt Rambis…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    B-B-B-Bill Laimbeer!!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Who could forget the freakish athletics of Jud Buechler, Dan Marjle and Rex Chapman?

  • Keith

    Shawn Bradley was the biggest, sh*ttest, whitest american baller this planet has ever seen.

  • Wayne

    Let’s up the ante here…white guys with mullets all-star team…

  • Habitus

    Allow me to reacquaint you with the all time great Eric Piatkowski, while he was a mediocre NBA player, he was a NBA live legend. 144 pts son!

  • Michael

    Ryan, Barcelona is a great city, probably my favourite european city, absolutely brilliant place. La Liga will be a snoozefest the rest of the season though, barca have it in the bag already. Who do you support in the premiership? I am sure you have said before but I cant remember.

  • Habitus

    I own a game worn jersey of another legend of whiteness, Fred Hoiberg. I do have to say that Richie Frahm should be in the NBA; that man could shoot and more surprisingly, he could get up. Disaster anyone? I miss pittsnogle!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Jones supports those who got taught a lesson on Saturday.A lesson on how to play marginally better than your opponent,that is.

  • L

    Ken Posted: Feb.4 at 12:15 pm
    All-time White non-American team PG-Nash
    SG-Petrovich
    SF-Kukoc
    PF-Dirk
    C-Sabonis

    Ken that starting 5 could have won a championship hands down !!!! L

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    The downfall of the white American came when teams started overpaying the inferior white European to take their place on the roster. Most of the white Americans in the league are pretty good, even if they are not All Stars.

  • Michael

    Izzo, I assume you are talking abut Everton. My first thought was Chelsea but they played Sunday.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Best Non American white players:
    PG:Pat Burke
    SG:Pat Burke
    SF:Pat Burke
    PF:Pat Burke
    C:Pat Burke.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    My all time WHITE squad.

    PG: John Stockton
    SG: Mark Price
    SF: Chris Mullen
    PF: Larry Bird
    C: Kevin McHale
    6th: Tom Chambers
    7th: Jason Williams
    8th: Dan Majerle
    9th: Bob Cousy
    10th: Pete Maravich

    NOTICE: I am not saying these are the ten best ever, I left some HOF’ers out. I just put the ones I like best.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Nice list, Walsh.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I still remember one of my favorite posters growing up was the Tom Chambers two-hand dunk one where he looks like he is high above the rim and he is in the old-school Suns uni.

  • http://dsfklf.com Jukai

    Just to clarify the total random conversation in the middle: Kobe’s 61 points are a record at the CURRENT MADISON SQUARE GARDEN. The previous record in the previous MSG was 68 by Pistol Pete Maravich… Baylor’s 71, to my knowledge, was not in Madison Square Garden itself but in LA. Everyone that year was lighting up New York for ridiculous numbers, including Chamberlain, for a modest 100 points.

  • http://dsfklf.com Jukai

    Walsh’s list sucks pretty bad TAD…

  • matt

    ten bucks says it was Matt Harpring asking the press about this.

  • http://www.commuto.com sarbib

    Raps are the only team that can field an all white team:

    Calderon
    Ukic
    Kapono
    Hump
    Bargnani

    Last year it was even worse with Delfino and Garbs. I guess that’s what happens when you try to draft or sign only European players. Oh, and BTW, the white experiment isn’t working for Toronto.

  • steve

    How many white players are there in the NBA today? European/South American/American combined? We must be at least 30%, and we could field a pretty damn good starting five. ASW should change from East vs West to White vs Black. They can call it Europe vs the World, kind of like hockey, but I’m sure people would read right through that.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I happen to like Walsh’s because with the exception of McHale and Mark Price, i’ve enjoyed the games of all of those players. If you don’t like Pistol Pete, you don’t like life.

  • http://dsfklf.com Jukai

    You’re right, any list leaving off Jerry West, Rick Barry, Bill Walton, John Havlicek, Bob Pettit and Bill Lambier is certainly a legit list to me. Yeah, Dan Thunder Majerle, a hall of fame shoe-in!!!

  • http://dsfklf.com Jukai

    Tom Chambers was boring as hell.

  • je708

    adam morrison is the great white hope.

  • Jackie Moon

    Where have all the Asian players gone? Injured.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Jukai, I mentioned that i was snubbing HOF players, because that’s my list of players I ENJOY WATCHING, not necessarily the best ones by any means.

  • http://dsfklf.com Jukai

    Ah, I see now. My comment about Tom Chambers still stands, but that seems legit now. Carry on.
    You watched Pete Maravich play?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    My name is Paul Shirley and I approve this message.

  • http://docfunk.blogspot.com Doc Funk

    sam cassell is a credit to his species

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Pistol Pete has some great youtube highlight vids.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Lists are bourgeosie…

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    kidding.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Michael: Everton, yes. This explains while I’ll be sneaking out of work early today to go to the one pub in town that carries Setanta. It also explains why I’m wearing blue boxers and a royal blue shirt today. And not a thread of red anywhere on my being.
    And if losing to Manure over the weekend helps keep L’pool from winning the league, I’ll only be to happy to have helped.

  • http://www.xtremecouture.ca LeeVan

    Why is it that the NBA allowed Pete Maravich, one of the best white players ever, to be called “Pistol”?
    Seems to me like just another example of the NBA perpetuating the racist stereotype that white players are thugs.
    Now, with Siller’s findings, it’s apparent that the NBA is trying to slowly phase out these “thuggish” players, one superiorly-talented black player at a time.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Jukai, I watch old game films of him, as well as extensive highlight mixtapes. Also, I have his Pistol Pete basketball drill tapes of how to dribble the way he does, how to shoot properly, yadda yadda yadda, it’s actually interesting how serious he was about his circus moves. He has actual drills to teach them, it’s crazy.

  • Che

    How is 10% not signify a dying breed? Compared to 20 to 30 years ago when it was MUCH higher than that. 1.5 White guy per team. Is that including the water boys and the coaches? lol

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    LeeVan, I hate to say this, but your comment is in left field. There is racism in basketball, but not in the nickname. Pete Maravich got his name in college, not the NBA, and honestly, he’s not the first white figure to have the nickname, in fact Oklahoma State has a PISTOL figure… Texas Tech Red Raider has two pistols, in fact. I’d say it has more to do with the south of the USA than race when we talk about his nickname. He was also called Pistol because he SHOT THE BALL A HELL OF A LOT. He got it because he averaged 40 PPG in college. He got it because when he was a freshman (back then freshman couldnt be on the varsity team), He actually had the ability to have enough fans to sell out a JV LSU game, just based on his wild moves and scoring ability. Oh well. I will say the NBA wants to get rid of the “thug” image. But they shouldn’t bother, people in suits that listen to Paul McCartney can still murder- ask the guy who shot Lennon.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Justi:It was a joke.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Izzo, I officially missed the sarcasm. Damn it. haha, I got all serious and everything for nothing. LeeVan has totally got me. Boom Roasted.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Um…..yeah.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    I feel all dumb now. I’m going to go back to transcribing. I have been destroyed by sarcasm. “Kevin, I don’t know whether to use a fat joke or a dumb joke. boom, roasted”.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Justin,it’s cool.But I completely don’t get that Paul McCartney thing.At all.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    @sarbib: Pacers can field an all-white team too. Diener-Dunleavy-Murphy-Foster-Nesterovic.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Justins funny.

  • http://www.bbl.org.uk Josh D

    1.I think white guys are in the NBA more and more with the Europeans
    2. Everton!!! Liverpool are way better, they’ll win the premiership this season, i probably know about Football, living in Britain
    3. Can someone put a salary cap on Man City?

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Izzo. It’s the old white thought that rap equates to violent crime and if we all schedule old rock singers that don’t scare shareholders, everything will be okay. Also that if you stop wearing thug clothing, you will improve morally. and The Paul McCartney thing was in reference to the fact that John Lennon was killed by a huge fan of the beatles. Not somebody who listens to rap. Just making a point that rap doesn’t have to equate to violence, and other music can.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    John Lennon was killed long before rap came of age. Yesterday’s Beatles fan is today’s Lil Wayne fan, or something like that.

  • Sparker

    ladies and gentlemen, i watched pete maravich play. when he lit up the celtics for 40+ as a member of… you guessed it… the new orleans jazz. i was 8, we were on a family trip to boston and my dad took me and my brothers to the game. the celts best player at the time? dave cowens. what living legend was on their roster? john havlicek. what does this tell you? i have no idea… other than it makes me pretty dang old

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    JoshD:No,it’s too funny watching them fail.
    Justin:In fairness,I think the whole rap equates to violence image is older than Mutombo,seeing as rap is now THE mainstream popular music and the most successful rappers are the tired old stereotypical sh*theaps whose entire material consists of telling you that they 1)now have a lot of money 2)would like you to appreciate the significance of this fact and 3)at one time or another in their lives did not have this kind of fiscal comfort.
    And yes before anyone says it,I know I have to look for good rap,it’s getting harder and I’m a lazy,lazy person.

  • tenorca

    In a related story: Chris Mullin’s haircut is still awesomer than yours.

  • http://myspace.com/arodakaroman and1ballermj2350

    Go Jazz! lol

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    TAD, I know. still makes the point. And yesterdays Beatles fan is more like today’s U2 fan. Not because of similar style, but because Lil Wayne’s fan base is limited worldwide. U2′s worldwide appeal is not beatles level, but it’s as close as anything can get. for the record, i love the beatles hate U2, and only enjoy Lil Wayne’s mixtapes- his albums suck these days. put down the guitar, get off autotune, stop dipping your weed in promethazene and chill out

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Dedication 3 was some hot garbage.
    I guess if we can have stories about why there are so few black players in baseball then we should have stories about the lack of white American players in basketball.
    But, I think it’s almost like a self-fulfilling prophesy. When I was growing up, after a certain age the white kids just didn’t care as much about basketball and many of them felt like it was a black kids sport. They were more focused on baseball and football. Black kids abandoned baseball early as well.
    If kids keep getting told that a sport isn’t for them, they won’t spend time playing it. And they won’t get good enough to get to the NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I just want to know which player asked Siler to check this out. My money’s on Kosta Koufos, that krazy kat.

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    I’m white. I have never met white kids that I played with that quit focusing on basketball because they were told it was a black sport. Not saying your point isn’t right, just saying I never heard that before. Well I have heard baseball isn’t a sport black people play, but it’s not as bad as hockey.

  • tenorca

    ^ or NASCAR. But let’s just pretend that doesn’t exist. Sorry I even brought it up.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Where did you grow up Justin?
    I grew up in the South. Down here, stuff is still pretty segregated, just not legally. The white kids would field several teams from the same recreational park for baseball, but would struggle to field one team for basketball, and often wouldn’t even participate after a certain age. You would hear parents and kids say stuff like “Well, their supposed to win at that” when black kids would beat them at basketball. Maybe it wasn’t everywhere, but that was the case where I grew up. Anybody ever read the book Darwin’s Athletes? It’s an interesting read on how race and economic class influences what sports people participate in.

  • bike

    So what is the reason behind this?

    1. White guys, on average, cannot jump as high as black guys.
    2. White guys, on average, are not as explosive (fast and quick) as black guys.
    3. Black guys, on average, have bigger hands and longer limbs than white guys (a more conducive body type for basketball).
    4. Black guys, on average, play way more basketball in their youth than white guys.

    Someone should do a study on this….

    Someone should do a study….

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Some would say that’s why american football is the greatest sport in our country becuause of it’s black/white player equality.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    [Paula Cole] “Where have all the white boys gone?” [Paula Cole]

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Allen, growing up in the NYC/NJ area….I can tell you first hand that black and white kids both played the game equally and had similar expectations for taking the game further in their lives. The difference, being from Jersey, was that there was a perceived bias towards players FROM NYC, not because of color, but because of their rich history and better talent pool and competition.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Somebody wrote a whole book on this topic.
    The truth is, there are very few physical differences between blacks and whites on a macro level. The reason some black kids show athletic skills that white kids often don’t have is because most of the time they devote more time to particular sports.
    White men outnumber everybody else in baseball, but nobody assumes that’s because they’re bigger, stronger and faster. Why is that?

  • $tev3

    they prolly went 2 go play soccer that hurt cuz im 14 white & hoping to play in the NBA

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Eboy
    It could very well be a down south thing where basketball isn’t the dominant sport. I don’t know.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    How are you going to make all of thsoe stereotypes- and then say someone should do a study….shouldn’t someone do a study and then you can say that crap. My assumption would be your right in some cases but the black guys on average “play way more basketball” is totally wrong. Completely and absolutely especially youth, considering nearly 1/4 of black americans are under the poverty line while only about 9% of white americans fall under the poverty line. THat being said I thnk on average white americans have a greater opportunity on average to participate in ALL SPORTS. It is unfair, and does not really help the cause when talking about professional athletes

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Yeah I can name two off my head but I just forgot. damn.

  • bike

    Depends on the primary skill set for the sport. Take football. Positions that rely on size and strength, such a lineman, one sees no difference between whites and blacks. How many white running backs are in the NFL? Very few – black athletes are more explosive and faster (on average) for that position. Nothing wrong (or racist) about that, just a fact.

  • Habitus

    Here’s my list of whiteys:

    PG: Rusty Larue/Ryan Robertson
    SG: Eric Piatkowski/FredHoiberg/Richie Frahm
    SF: Mark Hendrickson/
    PF: Don Maclean/ Ben Handlogten/ Googs!
    C: Kevin Salvadori/Scot Pollard/ Bill Wennington!

    Slap Yo Selves!

  • http://www.ballislife.com Justin Walsh

    Allenp, I grew up in Dallas Texas. A lot of diversity in Dallas. My AAU team had mostly black players, but our coach never had the assumption that black players were just better by default. The HS team was about 50/50 on the black/white mix. Football was definitely where most of the black people I knew played. Seriously, in Texas, black players play football. Even if they play basketball, they play football. Baseball isn’t that important in Texas.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    physically yes, there are differences, same as health concerns and such (heart attacks, chances of developing diabetes, cholestoral, skin cancer). Its all different for every player though. To attribute the contrast (not trying to be funny) between white and black has so many different factors involved ranging from complete open mindendness to complete and utter racism.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Josh D: “I probably know about Football, living in Britain.”
    You know about unnecessary exclamation points and unnecessarily capitalized letters, so points for that.
    Meanwhile, I’ve met people who work at basketball gyms in your country — literally, their employment involves working at a gym where basketball is played — who have never heard of Kobe or LeBron. So, as far as relative national knowledge of non-primary sports, I win. USA!! USA!!!!!!!!!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Kyle Singler and Eric Devendorf are some bad ass white players and they haven’t even hit the league yet. If we are talking in a college sense, there are a great deal of raw “white” players in D1.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ Panagiotis Vasilopoulos

    “Where have all the white NBA Players gone…?” I don’t know and i don’t care ,i am satisfied with the black ones (they dunk better!!!). But what i do know is that this title brought me memories of one of my favorite songs…”Where have all the flowers gone” from a true queen,Marlene is her name…i ‘ll give you the link imedially. The song is great and was also used some years ago by the U.N. Her voice makes it a masterpiece….

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ Panagiotis Vasilopoulos
  • bike

    nbk

    Not being racist. If the reason that any race dominates a particular sport has nothing to do with genetic characteristics unique to that race, then what is the reason?

    So what is the reason that 90 percent of NBA players are black?

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ Panagiotis Vasilopoulos

    ok, the link is on moderation, check it at 3:25pm.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I care! dammit I want to see all races on that screen when I watch league pass! Have you seen joe alexander dunk? If black ones dunk better he must be a special breed of white with a mixture of black.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    If American Football was played without protective gear, like Rugby then there wouldn’t be as many whites playing it.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    NBK
    Actually, basketball is one of the easiest sports for lower income individuals to become involved in. Also, there is the idea that if you are poor, you are more likely to devote large amounts of time to becoming good at sports because you are more likely to see it as a way to improve your living conditions. Conversely, if you have money and live a solid middle or working class life, you might view education as a more viable way to improve your life.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Bike
    It could be that black athletes are steered towards running back while white athletes are steered toward quarterback. For example, the position of center on the offensive line is very much dependent on speed and agility, but it is more often staffed by white players. Mainly this is because of a stereotype that center is for “smart” players, which means it’s better suited to white kids.
    I think it’s just as likely that stereotypes about who should play which position lead to kids limiting their choices.
    Finally, most people here hvae played pickup basketball. I’m wondering how many of the black people have AUTOMATICALLY assumed a white dude could shoot as soon as you see them on the court?

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    The white kid got hustle!!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Bike
    Your thesis is funny. You assume that because there are more black people in the NBA or playing basketball, then black people must be genetically suited to basketball.
    Do you also assume that because white people are more likely to work in professional jobs than black people, white people must be genetically suited to those jobs?
    How about standardized testing?
    The simple fact is that these issues rarely have one simple answer and assuming they do is silly. Besides, I have already recommneded a book, Darwin’s Athletes, that discusses the fallacy of genetic based stereotypes.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Dutch
    Exactly. We all make assumptions based on race, and we often let those assumption dictate our actions.
    I don’t know why people think sports are any different.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Mike O’Koren used to ball out.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    The assumption being that black people are poorer so more likely to excel at a low-cost activity. Soccer is mostly played by poor. Depending on where you are at on the globe you can then take measure of how the poor demographic is defined. Didn’t Sam write a masterful article on how basketball can relate to teaching(coaching vs teaching).
    AllenP, your point is well taken. Activity + Participants = Social class. In broad terms off-course but nevertheless accurate.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    I don’t know why I threw Sam in there without truly puling out the comparison so ignore please.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Dutch
    Perfect example with soccer.
    All you need is a ball. If soccer hadn’t got stigmatized in the US early on, I think far more black kids would play it here.

  • mr. carter

    IS BLAKE GRIFFIN TOTALLY WHITE OR DO U COUNT HIM AS A BLACK GUY OR WHAT? ( not yet in the nba but still)

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    AllenP
    Totally agree.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I tried playing soccer, but I was told that it wasn’t “my” sport by my fellow peers and even some coaches. They said basketball or football would be a better route for me but I really did have a passion for soccer until they burned all my thoughts and ideas to the ground of what what I was supposed to play and why.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Blakes’ dad is black and his moms is white. But it looks like he could me mixed with more than just that so he is who he is. It really doesn’t matter with him because son is a monster unleashed.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-717-Fantasy-Basketball-Examiner MrBruAl

    The whitest team in the league has to be the Pacers, with the potential for a caucasian starting five:
    Rasho
    Foster
    Murphy
    Dunleavy
    Diener
    So what if they would go 0-82? Can Utah top that?

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    You can go to any predominantly white suburb and find the kids playing BB after school. Relocate 10 urban black families in there and within a short season you will find the white kids choosing skateboarding as the
    game of choice for breaking one’s ankles.

  • Wayne

    What is Delonte West anyway?

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    He’s what some limey’s might call “ginger”.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I skateboard and people at my school don’t believe that I do it at all. the stereotypes kill me everyday.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    I wear yellow wooden clogs.

  • bike

    Allenp

    There are many studies that found African Americans have significantly higher amounts of “fast-twitch” muscle fibers—the kind that are responsible for short, explosive bursts of action. One such study, done in the 1980’s, compared West African students against white French Canadians. This has been freely acknowledged as one reason why Jamaicans dominated the 100-meter sprint in the 2008 Olympics and why they often dominate sprinting events.

    It, of course, is not the only reason that blacks excel at certain sports. Why do people get so hung up on genetic differences? Differences, are what make the world go around.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    All this racism is killing me inside.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    bike
    All that stuff is well documented. Doesn’t dictate however whether someone is better at a game of whatever that somebody else.
    I think the points made here are about who ultimately practices or participates in these games the most. This is what dictates the domination and success, in anything btw.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    I meant
    than somebody else

  • räuber hotzenplotz

    wow, a racist stereotypical article without mentioning the penis length, i am really proud of you all slam readers!

    by the way, today i met asians that are not into martial arts – i know, i was shocked too.

  • S. Trotter

    STEVE KERR > everyone!!!!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Bike
    The book I keep referencing challenges the assumption that fast twitch muscles are the main determinant of athletic qualities and presents some compelling examples that show why that’s the case. I would recommend you check it out, just to get a different viewpoint.
    Once again, it’s called “Darwin’s Athletes.”

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    Spanish announcers are better than both white and black announcers. They’re always excited, don’t mention random crap stats, and over-exaggerate players’ names to an epic degree.

  • http://itsadcthing.blogspot.com Squad

    big ups to Bill Wennington, Will Perdue, Jud Buechler, Shawn Bradley and all my other pasty dudes reppin’ our race hard

  • Dark

    “It’s a black man’s game. The numbers support that view. The question is, what does it mean to me? Nothing. The ball is orange.” – Steve Nash

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Dutch
    That was a good point you made about relocating urban families.
    It’s not that white kids CAN’T play basketball. It’s that society has told them that’s not THEIR sport and that it’s futile in some ways for them to compete against black kids in the long term.
    These are huge generalizations, but I know that some of y’all have noticed it. I don’t think the dearth of white athletes is tied to genetics. Considering the fact that there are fare more white people in the country than any other race, it seems likely that there are far more white people with the athletic skills needed to be basketball players. They choose other sports.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    co sign Anton

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Dark
    The numbers say a lot of things about people. People ignore the numbers until they line up with what they want to believe.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    I was watching some Olympic hoops and they make everything feel exciting. Chris Bosh getting a lay-up is: “Consigue una caída fácil arriba a Chris Booooooooooooooooooooooooosh!!! Aarrrriba ma ma cita! Chris Booooooooooooooooooosh”

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    bike, no offense but that’s just BS.
    You know why black dudes dominate in tracks? because they practice it! the best 110m hurdler is chinese, the best woman sprinter was greek. how come no one has a problem with volleyball players from holland, greece or china having 40-inch verts but point out that white basketball players can’t jump? fast-twitch muscles are DEVELOPED by training.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    same as when they commentate football (soccer),its 0-0 and your on the edge, ’cause the guys belching down the t.v at you!

  • Dark

    Check this article http://www.slate.com/id/2206088/pagenum/all/. The thing is, both sides are right. Science suggests that African Americans (of West African descent) SHOULD disproportionately represent the NBA, but NOT to the level that you currently see. Other forces are at work besides a person’s genetic predisposition, many of which you guys have noted above.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    Z is bang on..If tim Duncan was a hoopster and not a swimmer as a kid, he might be jumping like Dwight Howard…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Sometimes it’s just easier living in a country where everyone is the same translucent colour..

  • bike

    Allenp

    Darwin’s Athletes takes the viewpoint that it is a myth that blacks are physically superior – blacks looked to sport as an avenue to success because of a lack of black heroes.

    Okay, fine. Cultural differences aside, having more fast-twitch (type II) muscles is an advantage for certain sports like sprinting and basketball. It is not an advantage for long distance running.

    I think a lot of white kids would take issue with someone saying society told them it ‘aint their sport. They would argue that the black kids kicked their a^*

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Allen – I was not referring to playing basketball in the park when you should be at school. For one those kids that are focusing on basketball and not going to school are more likely to end up in ANd1 mixtapes then the NBA because normally in America schooling goes hand in hand with sports. And although you are somewhat right that kids see basketball as a way out, more often then not a child will join a gang or get invloved in drugs or illegal activity. While those more privileged caucasion kids are “focusing” on school while still staying active in sports. The kids that are smart enough, or that have parents smart enough to see a sport as a way out have a much better chance at making a professional league because they were focusing on their sport for a goal. (to get out). While over privileged white kids (like me) see sports as their fun time. THe difference being those white kids that are playing sports that vastly outnumber black kids (seriously its not even close) are not playing to really become professionals, their parents have them there to stay busy, while the black kids that ARE playing sports are doing it because it is the best possible thing to do for their future. The difference between the amount of white/black athletes is the majority of white kids playing basketball are not planning on doing it for the rest of their lives while underprivileged black kids have less options and more of a reason to see basketball as a long term solution.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Cultural differences aside, having more fast-twitch (type II) muscles is an advantage for certain sports like sprinting and basketball. It is not an advantage for long distance running. 3:53p
    How come Kenyans dominate long distance running then? They have less fast-twitch muscles? Or is it because they train for it since the womb basically?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    What I’m trying to say here is if white people in America decided to train for basketball all their life and not switch to football or baseball in HS, they’d be a lot more white folks in the L. Same goes with baseball for Blacks. You know why Latinos are good in baseball and Dominicans especially (even though they only got like half of an island)? Yup, because they train for it. Sounds like a broken record, doesn’t it?

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    The latter Z- the fast twitch muscle thing is not an absolute rule though Bike. It just so happens that they have more of a fast twitch muscle on a more consistent basis. But that being said i really do not think that, more of a fast twitch muscle is the main factor between the number of white and black athletes in any sport.

  • bike

    Z -

    No offense taken. All athletes that excel at their sport, white or black, work hard and practice. And I never said white’s can’t jump. I said, on average, blacks are better at sports that require explosive activity such as sprinting and jumping.

    The percentages don’t lie. African Americans are a minority in this country but they are an ovewhelming majority in the NBA. And I have absolutely no problem with that. I think it’s great.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    No Z your completely right

  • Jared Smith

    how does 14 with 3 years exper. mean no more in the pipeline?

  • Jared Smith

    oh sorry read it wrong

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  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I said, on average, blacks are better at sports that require explosive activity such as sprinting and jumping. 5:11p.
    Soccer is as demanding athletically as basketball. However, Blacks do not dominate. Because whites and latinos play it. Every Black kid in the States tries his hand at basketball at some point in his childhood. That’s why they’re great at that sport. No more, no less.
    This is the same reasoning that’s preventing white kids from being HBs and WRs in football. A guy like Tebow would be a great wideout, he just chose to play QB.

  • Jared Smith

    JJ Barea is actually puerto rican not mexican

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    You know what’s really funny? Even white dudes with mad hops like Brent Barry when he was younger decide (maybe not consciously) to play a certain way to kinda fit the bill. I can’t wait for Budinger to get to the L and shoot flat-footed 3s even though he could take it to the rack on almost anyone. lol

  • http://src313@yahoo.com scott carter

    Utah is the whitest team and franchise in the league.

  • http://allday-fadeaway.blogspot.com nbk

    Z- Watch Chase Budinger play now, he does not take teh ball to the rack he shoots flat footed threes already. He is a waste of athletic ability already

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    Z, there’s a ton of dudes that play in Aus with ridiculous hops that are 3 point bombers or spot up shooters (ala Brent barry). It’s killing the game for the fans..IMO the NBA is the best l in the world because the players have a grasp on the entertainment side of things as well as trying to win.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    This is a sob story. Because too many white boys are discouraged at their belief that they lack athleticism and can only be ‘Larry Bird’ type players, they all end up as spot up shooters. Hopefully for them, Joe Alexander or Kevin Love can change that. But i dont give 2 halfs a sh!t, i am R!ck James b!tch!!!!!!!!!!!

  • bike

    Z -

    Not going to argue that cultural differences contribute to the high percentage of blacks in the NBA. But no one is going to make it in the league unless they have other-worldly athletic ability. And that ability is assessed by explosivness (jumping, quick accleration, quick off the dribble, ability to stay in front of an offensive player, etc.).

    Everything being equal – work ethic, desire, competivness, opportunity, height – the guy with more fast-twitch muscles will win out. Every time.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    bike, you’re kinda dense. white people are just as athletic as black people. they prove it all the time in volleyball, soccer and hockey. all sports who require those fast-twitch muscles. they also prove it in speed skating, which is ONLY about fast-twitch muscles. our perception of what a white basketball player is prevents white players to develop the kind of game that would showcase their athletic abilities in basketball. and even when they do (like manu, like david lee, like nash), we choose to ignore it and instead focus on their savvy or know-how.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    im out, bonsoir tout le monde.

  • Lucky F. Bastard

    The definitive White American team? too easy
    Here’s the squad….

    PG Kirk Hinrich
    SG Mike Miller
    SF Mike Dunleavy
    PF Kevin Love
    C Brad Miller
    Bench
    Ridnour,Redick,Szczerbiak,Kaman,Birdman,Pryzbilla

  • http://www.slamonline.com mat smith

    the 90′s great Jazz team was super white, Stock, Horny and Postertag and they were good, they even gave their PF a white nickname “Mailman” and they called the other black guy “Big Dog” definate conspiricy or something….

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    soccer, hockey, speed skating, skiiing, volleyball, tennis, pole vaulting, high jumping…
    Aren’t these all sports that require explosive athletic ability and are dominated by white people?

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    Among the people I know, West African immigrants (in other words people named Emeka and Chike as opposed to Mike or Tyrone) are no more or less athletic than any other ethnic group of people I know as a whole. The African Americans I know, on the other hand, are on average more athletically gifted. I’m not claiming to be any kind of race expert, so read into that what you want…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Lucky, Kaman CLAIMS to be german, although he is American. 1/2 a point for you

  • Witness

    what about adam morrison? ultimate example of white trash.

  • http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=RBQEmmgDl9I Boing Dynasty

    *puts head in microwave*

  • Young C

    DAVID F*****G Lee!!!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Joe Alexander is White Chinese!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    David Lee is he best white player in the league right now, if I’m not missing anybody.

  • http://www.ojhoops.blogspot.com the baconator

    Yeah, that kinda is a pity that there aren’t more white people in the NBA. I noticed that whites have a tendency to shine in the NCAA, but fail miserably or not even make it in the NBA. See: Adam Morrison, JJ, Christian Laettner, Drew Nietzel, Gerry McNamara and almost certainly Tyler Hansborough and Luke Harangody. Ya know though, y’all really can’t get pissed. The NBA takes the best players, regardless of color. It just so happens that the best ones out there are mostly black. Hell, I blame the rest of the (white) commentators on this site. Get off the computer and start working on your weak-ass game!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    AND he David Lee is athletic. He beat James White in a dunk contest (though the results were questionable). Still, he is a beast.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    baconator, i dont know about Tyler. Most white failures are jump shooters who cannot create their own shot, cannot defend, and cannot drive to the basket. The only NBA flaw in Tyler’s game is that he is not a good defender. HOWEVER he can create his own shot and does not even have a jump shot. At this point, i would call him a wild card.

  • Milo1974

    Excuse me, I’m going back to hockey now.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    The Baconator: All those guys you mentioned played in college three to four years… because they COULDN’T make it in the NBA coming out of their freshmen year. Why they were so good is that they kept on playing in college. If Rose, Beasley, and Gordon decided to play in college for three-four years, they’d be averaging 30-40 points easy.

  • Onions Baby Onions

    lol… wow a lot of white guys read slam…this is gettin close to a record for # of responses.

  • Onions Baby Onions

    but seriously im white too, and pistol pete is the goat for college ball

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Onions, i agree. And their defenses are all ‘i dont want to sound racist but (insert racist statement here)’. As a outsider looking in, i find it hilarious.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    How did you all let me get to the bottom of this thread with some 230+ comments ranging from all-white teams…to quasi-racial comments about what colour a guy shoudl be to play a given sport….

    …and not one mention of the greatest two shooters in the NBA ever….one guy white, Steve Kerr and the other guy black, Craig Hodges.

    DONE.
    This thread is now closed.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I almost literally can’t believe this became an attempt to semi-seriously discuss the NBA’s honky population.
    Oh, and f*ck Liverpool.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    F*ck Everton Ryan, and their f*ckin baby goose!!!!

  • Cp34mVP

    Yao Ming!

  • Dark

    Haha cosign baconator.

  • Heals

    Earlier this year in a blowout the LA Lakers came close to a “White Wash,” They had Farmar and Sasha in the back court, Mihm in the middle, Radmon doin Radmon, but for some unexplicable reason Luke was on the bench for Odom. C’mon Phil you could’ve made a statement for the cause…

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    The first half of comments was very entertaining, the second half not so much

  • drewstar

    David Lee is the baddest white American ballplayer in the L if imo.

  • The Last Kings Fan

    I miss the all white (not American, just pale) team the Kings used to field: Bibby, Christie, Peja, Scott Pollard (!) and Vlade Divac. And four of those guys were actually in the starting line-up for years. Hell, when Webb was injured we put Brad Miller in there. Probably the best all white starting line-up to ever actually exist.

  • wreklessINTENT

    Cherokee Parks all the way!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Seriously, Ryan, eff Everton. We took Wazza like it was nothing.

  • cozza

    PG- Stockton
    SG-West
    SF- Bird
    PF- Mikan
    C- Walton

    Vs

    PG – Johnson
    SG – Jordan
    SF – James
    PF – Wilt
    C – Shaq

  • GeorgeBush hates Black people

    This is the best discussion I have ever read on the Internet

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I used to want to be Christian Laettner.

  • Big Sia

    One youtube video will answer all your questions

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qyRYkvvSz4&feature=channel_page

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    @Onions- You wanna triple that number? You’d still be short by 50+, but you’d be closer…

  • Jolst

    Atlanta don’t got white players? What colour is Mike Bibby?

  • simoun

    they’re talking about white american players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Pigott17

    PG-travis diener
    SG-brent barry
    sf-mike dunleavy
    pf-brian scalabrine
    c-joel pryzbilla

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    mike bibby is beige

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    We bought a lot of players with that nothing, Z. And Gerrard limped off like a b*tch last night, so you should really be more grateful. After all, we BOTH want you to win the league…

  • Benji James

    My conspiracy theory:
    The Nba wants to limit the amount of white players in the league, maybe because people don’t want to watch teams full of comparatively unathletic white guys. For as long as I can remember the NBA has been around 80% black. In the 80s and early 90s most of the white players were American. Since then a load of foreign white players have come in, but instead of add to the % of white guys, it’s stayed exactly the same. It almost as if the league reserves a certain amount of spots for white guys. I don’t think that there’s a smaller amount of talented white Americans now than there were 20 years ago, but because David Stern wants to popularise the NBA with every country on the planet, the foreign players are pushing them out. Just my theory.

  • Dee

    I hate when this topic is even brought up, because I’m 47 and in my early teens the quota for the # of black players was REAL and the black
    players KNEW IT WAS REAL, BUT UNSPOKEN. JOHN THOMPSON talked about it not long ago on TNT. Now what’s going on today is totally different, if a WHITE player is any good, He is worth BIG MONEY!!!! Just take what Chris Paul is doing, the triple doubles this year and last year he had his team 1 or two games behind the lakers. He had better numbers than GOLDEN BOY STEVE NASH had in BOTH of his MVP YEARS. LOOK AT THE HORNETS WITHOUT PAUL NOW! I DON’T THINK I’VE HEARD SPORTSCENTER TALK ABOUT THIS AT ALL. BUT THAT’S ALL THEY TALKED ABOUT WHEN NASH WAS HURT.

    I DON’T WANT TO HEAR THIS NONSENSE, WHEN HAS ANY 2 TIME MVP’S BEEN SUCH A WEAK DEFENDER AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF…NEVER WON A RING, BUT YET WIN 2 MVP AWARDS!!!! AND I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THIS….THE WHITE OWNERS HAVE TALKED AND STILL DISCUSS THIS TOPIC….THEY TRY TO LOOK OUT FOR THE WHITE PLAYER, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT WHY WOULD THE NBA CHANGE THE NO ZONE IN THE PRO GAME!!!!!!! BACK IN THE DAY IF THE ZONE WAS AROUND STEVE KERR WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ALL-STAR, BUT GUARDS LIKE ZEKE “I. THOMAS”, PAYTON, MAGIC, and on and on.
    SO WHAT HAPPENED….THEY CALL IT THE A.I. RULE, BUT IT REALLY WAS A WAY OF ENSURING THAT THE SLOW WHITE PLAYER IN COLLEGE HAD A CHANCE OF MAKING A NBA TEAM, AND WHEN THERE AREN’T ENOUGH AMERICAN PLAYERS….LET’S GO GET KUKOC AND SABONIS, NOW EUORPE PRODUCED DIRK AND THE RUSH WAS ON, THAT HASN’T WORKED OUT LIKE MANY PEOPLE EXPECTED, YEAH I KNOW GASOL..BUT JUST LOOK AT ALL OF THE RULE CHANGES THAT HAVE COME ABOUT SINCE THE EURO RUSH. THE EURO CAN’T PLAY DEFENSE SO WHAT DOES THE NBA DO…MAKE IT SO YOU CAN BARELY TOUCH A PLAYER!!! NASH WOULD NEVER BEEN MVP IF HE WAS PLAYING IN THE 80′S, HE COULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THE PUNISHMENT THAT THE GUARDS TOOK THEN, U COULD NOT DRIVE TO THE “HOLE” LIKE HE “USE” TO DO WITHOUT BEING PUT ON UR BUTT….AFTER BIRD THE LEAGUE WAS “DESPERATE”
    TO FIND THE NEXT “GREAT WHITE BIRD” THEY HAD TO WAIT A FEW YEARS FOR NASH AND DIRK, BUT OHHH DID THEY MAKE UP FOR LOST TIME WITH THE 2 MVP’S FOR NASH….AND I THINK THAT JUST LIKE OUR SOCIETY, THERE ARE SPORTS WRITERS THAT VOTE OR DON’T VOTE FOR SOMEONE BASED ON THEIR “SKIN” COLOR. I WAS IN THE NAVY IN THE 80′S AND THE SAYING WAS…WE ALL WEAR BLUE, IN BOOT CAMP THEY TELL U THAT THE NAVY DOESN’T SEE COLOR, BUT THAT WAS NOT TRUE, AND I THINK SPORTSWRITERS ARE NO DIFFERENT. CASE IN POINT TIM TEBOW….NEW GREAT WHITE HOPE!!!!

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    cool theory, but it can’t work. The NBA is every team for itself, and the competition in trying to scout and bag young players is very thick. Which means if they think you can play (and aren’t a complete moron), you will play

  • Dee

    I got carried away, but the main point that I wanted to make about the ZONE DEFENSE being allowed in the NBA, is that NASH would be a bench player like he was earlier in his career. Before the zone era, if a player was UNABLE TO GUARD “THEIR OWN MAN”, they WOULD NOT be on the floor MOST of the time and the new rules have been put in place to HELP the WHITE PLAYER. It was the other way around when it came to black players, college took the dunk away to SLOW down the black players…..NOW THAT’S SOME REAL SH……….EET!!!!

  • donlaker

    c travis knight
    f bill bradley
    pf phil jackson
    sg steve kerr
    pg cousy and all the white players went to a strip club……. and a special shout out goes to kyle korver/ashton kusher where u at.

  • Wayne

    I’m just gonna throw this out there, Delonte West is white… I don’t care what he or anyone else thinks…

  • EC

    Mark Madsen, Tom Gugliotta, Matt Harpring, Joe Wolf and Bryant “BIG COUNTRY” Reeves. Thats the all white team. With Lenny Wilkens at headcoach. Bryant Gumble will do all commentating

  • EC

    Jeff Hornaceck (sp?) will be the 6th man

  • donlaker

    does ICE T count he looks white and he is a player.

  • donlaker

    BIBBY is not white
    but vince carter is

  • Diesel

    @ Dee …so the zone defense was put in place to help out white people? You’re an idiot. And for you’re information, the Suns barely ever play zone. And if they did, it wouldn’t be to help nash, it would be to help Shaq’s slow fat @ss. NO NEED FOR CAPITAL LETTERS EITHER.

  • Phelpsrandy

    Hey guys, It’s Michael Phelps. I was wondering if any of you guys can hook me up with some dope. Thanks

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    “Oh where, oh where have all my little whitey’s gone, oh where, oh where could they beeeeee/In corporate boardrooms, ruling the world, oh that’s where all the whitey’s will be.”
    I am Allenp, and I approve this message.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Dee, your caps lock key appears to be broke.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Allen’s song choice is tight.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Haha, I was going to point out that the Suns never play any zone, but Diesel beat me to it.

  • http://www.hbo.com/thewire/ jsmoove

    this results from this article are great. it’s really cool to hear people debate about race and racism. i’m happy that people are getting educated.

  • Diesel

    Jsmoove – I agree. SLAM needs to get together 20 or so of the posters that are always posting on these race issues and host a discussion in person. Tape the whole thing and post it on the sight. I’d be interested to see what people have to say when they can’t hide behind the security of their computer screens and they need to look people in the eye when they make some of their comments. I also think it would get more accomplished to sit and listen than skim through 300 posts.

  • Quail

    Joe Alexander was born in China. but he is still an American citizen. Steve Nash was born in Johannesburg, Africa, but everyone knows he’s canadian.

  • Lan

    DEE…I think it’s amazing how just within the last 60 years, what used to be an all white league, is now a DIVERSE league. Sure, most players are black, but if you look at it from a heritage or cultural standpoint rather than a color standpoint-as the people in the article does-now you have people from Brazil, Argentina, Cuba, Puerto Rico, places like Belize, Panama, Kenya, Zair, and so on. As for the white American guys in the leaque; they’re in because they deserve to be. As for the others, they just flat-out can’t cut the mustard. What makes the NBA one of the greatest sports organizations in the world is that it reflects the ends to the means; if you work your but off and are truely gifted, you get there.

  • Myung

    If there were an in your face Hockey publication called Puck, and they had a site called puckonline, and there was a discussion on where all the black hockey players have gone and these sort of comments were being thrown out there (all in the name of good fun), I wonder how long it would be before the NAACP and the Rainbow Coalition would get puckonline shut down. Sort of a double standard, methinks (this, coming from a non-white nor non-black point of view).

  • Fleezy

    once again…ADAM MORRISON!

  • Lan

    Myung…I don’t think that’ll happen because even the most nick-picky special interest person wouldn’t mess up a good sports argument for political gain. C’mon. Besides (and no disrespect to Hockey fans), in a America, a hockey magazine with a general tag like PUCK wouldn’t sell enough units to create a buzz.

  • Orlando Woolridge

    No mention of the White Panther?!?! If you don’t know Aaron Gray, you don’t know good basketball.

  • http://web.mac.com/roaringred bbaby

    hey, eboy, j.j. BAREA is from Puerto Rico.

    Just saying…

  • wreklessINTENT

    watch baseball if you wanna see white guys

  • Lan

    WOW…it’s amazing that TYLER HANSBOROUGH hasn’t beeb thrown out there or NICK CALATHUS

  • BostonBaller

    Premier ish, p.60 short but funny article. The only players mentioned in that ish that are still playing are Shaq, Kidd & Pierce (Mourning just retired) The Shaq vs Zo pic is classic since they won a chip together and Pierce is the only “kid” in the ish to actually make it. The can’t miss guys in it that missed were Rhodes, Prickett & Felipe Lopez…Chuck was chasin’ a dream then and hookers now. lol House Party 3, wow and in May of 1994 Shaq was carrying a Pepsi machine and now he is the size of one and still doing his thing. T. Crook

  • BostonBaller

    Isn’t Tyler still in college?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Myung
    Have you ever heard of Stormfront?
    I’d check it out. The NAACP and Rainbow Coalition have had some problems getting it shut down, but maybe you have the secret.
    And tha’ts coming from a black person.

  • Lan

    Stormfront? The name itself is risky. What’s the magazine about?

  • Lan

    BostonBaller…Tyler is still in college. I brought’m up to make the point that white guys are still ballin’, will be ballin’, so long as they know how to ball.

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    wtf?? how do those numbers support the fact that white Americans arent a dying breed? 1.5 white Americans per team with four teams with none at all? what were those numbers 10 years ago? 20 years ago? i guarantee you that trend is downward. 14 white american players who have three years or less? how the hell is that at all correlated to more being in the pipeline?? all that proves is that joe alexander, adam morrison, and j.j. redick still havent been kicked out yet. this article had the worst logic ive ever seen.

  • Lan

    Chendaddy…Those guys won’t be “kicked” out unless they decide that they’ve become too uncomfortable (which is ridiculous for MILLIONAIRE ball players) or they stop working hard to stay on top. What do you attribute the “decline” too?

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    lan, stay on top? joe alexander is averaging less than 12 min per in 36 out of 52 games, and he has the brightest future out of the three being the only one with real athleticism. adam morrison had a 7.9 PER his rookie year and an even worse 6.2 PER this year. those are some of the worst numbers in the league. j.j. redick has finally found a nice role in orlando, but a guy who makes $2 mil hitting one 3 a game in 17 mpg is easily replaceable. why the decline? i have no idea, but the decline is real and to dismiss it based on such shoddy research is ridiculous.

  • http://dfjlf.com Jukai

    Allenp totally missed Myung’s point.

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    myung, there hasnt been a decline of black players in the nhl because there never was a huge population of black players in the nhl. plus that fact has been discussed before. and since when have we become such a sensitive society that discussing race has become racist?

  • mr. carter

    best beige team:
    pg: Mike Bibby
    sg: Kevin Martin
    sf: Tayshaun Prince
    pf: kenyon Martin
    c: Javale McGee
    6th man: Delonte West

  • mr. carter

    oh my god what have i done! pg: Jason Kidd* and bibby to the banco!

  • mr. carter

    sorry d-will, ur my third sixthman

  • Myung

    I didn’t know we were really “discussing race” in this post. Sounds like it’s just everyone having some fun. I’ll be honest; I enjoyed a lot of the jokes and chuckled a few times with the rest of you guys. I’m a fan of Dave Chappelle and other comedians who make racial jokes. But that wasn’t necessarily the point of what I wrote, Chendaddy. And btw, I DO agree with your point (about the NHL never having had too many black players). Maybe I used a bad analogy. Sorry. But my overall point still stands: I think it’s humorous (although maybe not in the “haha” sort of way) that nearly every single person who wrote something today made derogatory remarks about white people and no one has a problem with it. I think there’s a double standard.

  • Myung

    I remember listening to a sports radio show here in Atlanta one day, and two black activists came on the show, asking why the Braves didn’t have one black player (which btw is pretty much the exact opposite of the Hawks). But they weren’t just upset, but they wanted to get MLB to REQUIRE the team to have a certain number of black players, to be more “representative” of the population. Yet no one seemed too outraged with this idea, and honestly, that sort of surprised me. If white activists (is there even such a thing) asked the NBA for a similar rule, all heck would break loose, right? And look, I’m not taking sides or anything today; all I’m doing is pointing out an observation. If me pointing out that there’s a major double standard is pointing the obvious, then sorry for being redundant.

  • Myung

    Now I’ll step away and like the rest of us, enjoy the Lakers vs. Celtics game.

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    myung, my bad. i was referring to the article itself. i came in when the comments were close to 300 and didnt read too many of the preceding ones. but then again, you can never take user comments too seriously. :P

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    If your talkin beige, what about Barkley?

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    Or is he more piss tan?

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    The publishers of SLAM, who have also put out a football magazine (BLITZ, which I freelanced for), a baseball magazine (HARDBALL, which was before my time) and a soccer magazine (STRIKER, for which I was the number 2 editor to Lang), mocked up a hockey mag back in the day, too; the potential cover is still on our office door in fact. It was to be called SLAPSHOT.

  • BostonBaller

    Put The Boston Bruins on the cover. lol

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    SLAM has/had a football magazine?!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    TAD is such a rookie. And yes….I know JJ Barrera is Puerto Rican….I was referencing an article from a month or so ago in which someone called JJ a Mexican.

  • http://yahoo.com moj3

    who cares bout whitey!!

  • Lan

    Seriously. C’mon. This isn’t about race. It’s about SKILLS and BEING BROUGHT INTO THE RIGHT SITUATION. Also, have anyone ever thought about the context in which this article was written? The freakin writer doesn’t even explain whether or not those white ball players (in UTAH of all places!) were posing that question in a meaningless, light-hearted manner while shooting around or something. This guy just caught a soundbite from some guys who probably have no more of problem with the lack of white players than they do the lack of PB&J in their kitchen cabinets. Simply put, the only glass ceiling those guys have to face is through their own lack of ambition, lack of skill, or not having the right direction to make the transition.

  • Will

    Does anyone else find this a bit racist? I mean, if it were mostly white players, would anyone say, “where are all the blacks”? I doubt it. White people, in their position of power in the U.S., are concerned when another race bests them at anything. And, I’m white.

  • http://SlamOnline John Hall

    stop gettn dirt n ur skirt its honorable 2 have any white players n the leage if ur so worried about it what do u want 2 do start awhite mans player union and have some affermitive action and get at least 3 players a team and have at least 50 percent minority owners get over it and go try some hockey politically correct fruitcakes

  • T-Clark

    The 1 drop rule: At least one drop of black in you, YOU ARE BLACK and in AMERICA you are NOT considered white. The lightness of your skin isn’t “different from most black guys.”

    For Example:
    Mike Bibby, Delonte West, Kevin Martin, Jerryd Bayless, Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, Jordan Farmar, Tayshawn Prince, Shane Battier (I have a personal disgust for and who would remove that one drop if he could), etc.

  • Joe

    Current Team:
    PG: Hinrich, Blake, Ridnour
    SG: Miller, Korver
    SF: Dunleavy, Walton
    PF: Lee, Love, Murphy
    C: Kaman, Miller

    This team would compete in the NBA. They wouldn’t win the championship but they would make it to the playoffs. They would have a good frontcourt.

  • Dallashoops

    You have to count players like Jason Kidd, Deron Williams, Blake Griffin, and others into this discussion. They are all half-white and will definitely claim to be half-white. Especially when their skin is white.

    Also, it’s idiotic to not include white European players. Would Hakeem the Dream not be considered black because he’s not from the US?

  • Rick Allen

    What a god damn racist comment! What a bunch of bull! 10.6 percent? And how many are Europeans? It’s not about race? It’s about skills? BUllCRAP!
    If the reverse were true the NAACP, Al Sharpton, and the Rev. Jesse Jackson would be up in arms. I beg to differ. White players are the victims of stereotyping, just like black players once were. Give US white players a chance. This is discrimination just as much as blacks were discriminated against in the past. Come on let’s have true equality!!!!!!!!

  • Stephen Dimig

    “Does anyone else find this a bit racist?”

    I don’t know if it is racist to cheer for players who are white as long as you don’t cheer against players because they are not white or root for only white players. I loved Larry Bird as a kid because I had a much better shot at emulating his game than Dr. J’s.

    There used to be really good white american born players. Bird, McHale, Rick Barry, Jerry West, John Havlicek, etc. Now they pretty much suck. I blame our AAU system that values athletes who can win games without practicing. It shuts out white players who seem to be more about perfecting fundamentals than about flying over someone.

  • Buddah

    Watch History of SChool of Frankfurt on youtube.
    This is the time some higer ups have decided its time the white colonizators pay for they crime…its also step one in the one government plan…though first they have to kill any nationalism in the white man.
    This is how they do it.

    Its got alot to do with zionism rule over UK, the banking system and USSR`s philosophy from pre ww2…aka precursor to socialism.
    Its step 1 in the new world order; project globalism.

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