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Tuesday, March 3rd, 2009 at 11:00 am  |  205 responses

Dwight Howard’s Feelings Hurt By Shaq

by Marcel Mutoni

It’s been quite the week for Shaquille O’Neal and his mouth, and the result has been wounded pride and hurt feelings across the NBA landscape. OK, so it’s only two guys who’ve truly felt the Diesel’s wrath, but still.

Yesterday, we talked about Chris Bosh’s new — and unfortunate — nickname; today, we explore the mind of Dwight Howard, who can’t believe some of the things Shaq has said about him. From the Orlando Sentinel:

“I can’t stop Shaq from saying anything. I just wouldn’t expect that coming from him,” Howard said. “But the only thing I would expect from him is that he would try to help me improve my game and that’s it.” Has he? “No,” Howard said.

“Like all the other big guys [do], you know, like Hakeem [Olajuwon], Pat Ewing, Dikembe [Mutombo], Bill Russell, David Robinson … tried to help me improve. … Taking shots at somebody else, I wouldn’t do that.” Howard said he expected some helpful “comments to come from Shaq,” but added that the only advice he received has been basically useless.

If Howard had studied Shaq’s history a little closer, he wouldn’t be surprised by any of this. O’Neal has always been fiercely protective of his legacy and iconography, and would never (ever) admit that a fellow big man had approached his own greatness, let alone dethroned him.

O’Neal and Howard square off in Orlando tonight. It would be a good time for the student to give his reluctant teacher a lesson or two of his own.

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  • http://allanzuss@yahoo.com Mendel

    This will be a good one and Shaq has given props to another big man, Tim Duncan.

  • justin

    Damn the league has gotten soft. Like rappers.

  • http://allanzuss@yahoo.com Mendel

    first

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Shaq will either miss tonights game or the one in Miami tomorrow. I think he’ll play tonight and school the youngster for a few minutes here and there.

  • http://allanzuss@yahoo.com Mendel

    Also all the greats he named are retired. Why would an active player go out of his way to make you better.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Um, isn’t he being schooled by Ewing?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I’m not sure I understand what this article is about. Did Shaq talk isht about Dwight too, or did he just not work on drop steps with him?

  • Diesel

    Eboy don’t get fooled by Shaq’s game recently. Putting up big numbers against bargnini and gasol…2 skinny power forwards does not mean he’s back. Howard will dominate shaq all game long. Shaq won’t do sh*t against a guy that can actually body him up.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm…..that’s doubtful.

  • Diesel

    Why is it doubtfull? Dwight is the same size, but in better shape, more athletic, just as strong, moves faster. What advantage does Shaq have over Howard that will give him the upper hand?

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I’d rather be cursed out by Shaq than get schooled by Ewing. Unless the lesson was how to soak a jersey with sweat and fail to win a championship while always being the better team.

  • Brian

    Sheed will still help you Dwight. Shaq in his rookie or 2nd season would destroy Howard now. It is not a contest.

  • Jess

    Diesel..the advantage shaq has is that he wont get called for 3 seconds….CB was right – we all know it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Let’s see: he has the veteran guile, better footwork, stronger, and about 70 pounds.

  • minikidd

    @Diesel: The same size? Shaq’s listed at 325 whereas dwight’s listed at 265.. hardly the sam size…

  • http://myspace.com/mavus15 Mavus

    Howard… you are 3 steps ahead of him already!!! Can’t learn from a guy that just wants to dunk.. You are a better rebounder, and if you get a jumper and make your free throws.. you will be a MUCH BETTER PLAYER THAN HIM!!!!

    FYI… Shaq was getting murdered by all of those centers he mentioned, watch the game film!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Diesel……Shaq’s experience works in his favor and to say Dwight is as strong as Shaq is just silly. Dwight’s like a incredibly powerful Jet Jaguar. Shaq is still Godzilla….albeit the old school one with the rubber suit. Perhaps you forgot their head to head moments in the All-Star game a couple of weeks ago. Shaq has not deterred by the almost-Superman. And don’t tell me that “they weren’t trying”….’cause that argument won’t fly.

  • http://myspace.com/mavus15 Mavus

    except Russell and Dikembe of course

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And there is NO WAY that Dwight win’s 4 titles in his career….unless he winds up playing on Lebrons squad in the next 10 years somewhere….so there will be no equal legacy to what Shaq has done in his career. That’s just pure stupidity.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    Dwight is gonna dunk on Shaq. This is gonna be good. Somebody finally did what Allenp wanted and ‘stood up to the big meanie’

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Eboy is refuting sh*t before it even gets argued. Rare form!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Ciolkstar
    Shaq said something greasy, but true, about Dwight Howard a while back. Something about Dwight not being close to a young Shaq as far as total dominance. That’s true. But, Shaq omitted the fact that Dwight is a superior rebounder and defender.
    Shaq’s ego is as large as his @ss and just as foul.

  • niQ

    correction. dwight better dunk on shaq.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Nice Ol school monster movie reference, E. King Ghidora is that real isht. Also, Dwight is closer to 6’11″ than Shaq’s 7’1″ and he just doesn’t have the girth that Shaq had in the old days and still has. Dwight is clearly the better leaper and now has a quickness advantage but Shaq is still stronger and has better touch and footwork down low. It’ll be interesting to see who comes out on top, especially in light o these recent comments

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    But, nobody in the league can tell Shaq anything as far as his career except Tim Duncan or Kobe and neither of them is saying anything.

  • http://docfunk.blogspot.com Doc Funk

    Winner of Shaq vs Dwight gets “Superman” nickname. Grady Sizemore is not invited.

  • http://www.alloutblitz.com cordeazy

    This is like When Tyra Banks went to Naomi Campbell and asked for help, and Naomi was like “go get me a diet donut b*tch.” But then year’s later Tyra brought Naomi on the show and was like “why were you mean to me” and Naomi was like “my bad, life’s not a game. chill out Tyra. it is what it is.” remember that? no? what I’m the only one who has ever seen Tyra’s show? Yes? I am? ok.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    It seems worth pointing out that all the other guys Dwight is talking about who have given him advice are, like, retired. I’m guessing Shaq might be a lot more gracious when he’s out of the league.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Good point Jones.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    what Ryan said.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    and if Orlando ran plays for Dwight like they run plays for their 3 point shooters, he would average a lot more points per game

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    In terms of post technique, strength and footwork Howard is an infant compared to Shaq. As great as Howard is, he has zero go-to moves – that’s why he often underperforms against other quality bigs/teams with good interior D. I like Howard but don’t try to put him on O’Neal’s level. I don’t see him ever getting there, he’s been 4 years in the L and still hasen’t developed any real moves. Someone mentioned a lot of retired centers that outplayed Shaq, that was just wrong. The only C that outplayed Shaq was Hakeem.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    didnt Dwight steal the Superman persona from Shaq?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    BETS; they don’t run plays because he has no moves. His moves are offensive rebound-dunk, lobpass-dunk, Jameer-drive-dish-dunk + about half his freethrows, that amounts to about 21 points/game which is impressive for a guy who’s just incredible athletic and there. But don’t be fooled as to why they call no plays for him, when Dwight is trying to create, the best he can do is an awkward looking righthanded jumphook.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Lz is smart.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    *which is not even close to the go-to moves that Shaq (or Dream, DRob, Timbot, Ewing, Kareem etc.) mastered.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Ditto Eboy.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    he doesnt need moves Lz. He can just jump over and overpower anyone.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Nice timing Dwight. This kid is gonna get bodied.

  • Young Chris MP3

    The only Superman in the L is the one with the S tatted on his shoulder that reads “Man of Steel.”

  • Young Chris MP3

    and cosign Jones. I noticed that as well.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    BETS, that works against the Thunder, Bucks etc. in the regular season, but against Boston or Cleveland in the playoffs forget about it. Howard will be schackled, he might get his averages which is good production but he’s not winning any series for Orlando. That’s why Magic always look to Hedo in the crunch.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    LZ
    Dwight doesn’t have any back to basket moves, but he does have a nice jump hook of a face-up and he can got either right or left with that.
    I can’t understand why Dwight can’t develop a simple, consistent back to the basket jump hook. That’s all Shaq has had his entire career! If Dwight had that move he would put up 26 easily.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    GP had more post moves than Dwight.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And just for the sake of this argument…..isn’t it pretty remarkable that we are having a discussion that includes Shaq in the top center discussion of 2009….after he seemed to have been finished in 2007.

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    I second Justin up top.^^ Shaq will have the edge at the least from sheer veteran cunning. You’ve got 3 years to show who you really are in the league. If Dwight hasen’t been Hakeem Dreaming already, he isn’t going to be tomorrow.
    Although I do agree with the comment about Shaq’s opponents; Gasol, Bosh? I bench press more than the both of them.

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  • https://twitter.com/Neuronautuk mat smith

    amen to Eboy (white hot) and Lz, Dwight sounds like a baby, and cant say anything till he has some ringage, and yeah, it is amazing we are still discussing Diesel this much.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Allenp; Give me a heads up when Dwight hits that face-up hook your talking about whithin the last couple of minutes of a tight game against a contender. About Shaq’s moves you are wrong, Shaq had (and still has to some degree) an excellent baseline spin move, an excellent drop-step move, the jumphook you are talking about + he was more than twice as good as Howard at the bulldoze-my-way-and-slam-through-defenders-move.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And tonights score will probably be 128-120 or something gaudy like that….so offensive minded fans should love the sh*t out of it. Orlando should take it too.

  • http://www.nba.com JE

    What did he say?

  • Tommy Patron

    SOFT.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I still marvel at Shaq’s little fade away, one handed overhand, hook-type thing that he seems to make with great frequency. It’s so ugly…yet pretty effective.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    It only SEEMS like Deke is retired..

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    Come to think of it… Shaq only has about 3 moves too, and I remember 2 of them being questionable offensive fouls.

  • Diesel

    The dude can’t play back to back games or he might die. Let’s not overestimate his value. Everyone’s high on him now because of back to back good games. Lets talk Thursday when Shaq gets schooled tonight and that has to sit out Wednesday because he’s sleepy.

  • http://www.bbaxn.com Darksaber

    i’m with ciolk and especially Lz on this whole subject. Shaquille got game and moves. He cant rely on just overpowering dunks anymore since he’s losing his springs and the refs are calling his shoulder ramming for what it is, offensive fouls. Dwight has the wrong center legend as a tutor. All he needs is dream and his dreamshake, baby.

  • http://www.obviated.blogspot.com nick

    It’s time for the diesel to enforce Big Man Ordinance # 4465 (No center below shall speak ill of a center above).

  • http://www.slamonline.com Fitz

    I’m pretty sure it goes both ways.

  • doyouwantmore

    Shaq’s like a fat bully in school when he has a good game or two. He’d pick on Tim Duncan too if Tim Duncan wasn’t better than him all day. Tim Duncan’s like the star athlete the fat bully has to respect.

  • whooo!

    shaq will give you props if you don’t get enough hype, or if you MAKE shaq give you props (beating him). the only big man who made shaq give props were hakeem (when shaq was too young), and duncan (even as shaq was in his prime). he also gives props to yao, eddy curry, and big baby of all people. but when guys start comparing dwight to shaq, calling the kid his onw nickname, shaq sure as hell is gonna be pissed. but i never heard him flat out badmouth dwight the way he did chris bosh’s or dampier’s… dwight, the guy isn’t gonna coach you while he’s still in the league. i sure as hell bet duncan, kg, and sheed aren’t giving dwight pointers right now either.

  • h00paholic@hotmail.com

    Diesel—–HELLO NOBODY CAN BODY SHAQ, not saying he is better than howard, but he cant lean on the the real Diesel

  • Sebastian B. O. Bunionstow, esq.

    Unfortunately for Howard, he will never touch the legacy of the Big Cactus.

  • Phil B

    shaq > dwight… sorry dwight, you’re a beast. but develop some moves and get close to four rings and we can talk again. i wouldn’t be surprised to see shaq win tonight’s battle as well. why is dwight crying about this? go out there and beat him and earn his respect. i just lost a lot of respect for dwight.

  • http://dime dennis

    Shaq was better about 10 years ago. Now Dwight will own Shaq.

  • Josh D

    Two guys in 24 hours? Shaq should be in the book of records

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    co sign justin, the league is getting softer than pensioner’s poop..Dwight wants some advice on his game, Dunk it on Shaq, several times, then talk sh*t to him..get some nuts for heavens sake!

  • http://www.irememberwaybackwhen.wordpress.com Eric Woodyard

    I cant wait to see this! i love shaq but he is a hater…he needs to start giving other big men their props…the only way that shaq would do this is when he is on the same team with another great player then he always says that they are “the best player on the planet!”

  • http://docfunk.blogspot.com Doc Funk

    Marcin Gortat would kill to even be insulted by Shaq.

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  • Teddy-the-Bear

    My man Dwight’s going to show the Shaqtus why he stole his Superman moniker.
    Bye-bye Diesel!

  • J-Bird

    Teddy-the-bear hates the big aristotle, ha ha! I thought your man was rupaul, what happened to that?

  • RedRum

    I am a great fan of Duncan, the old school like hakeem, but I have to admit that Shaq at his best was the most dominant player ever stepped on the court. Doesn’t he have the NBA Finals ppg record?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    …Regardless, I really hope Dwight does go hard at Shaq and tries to dunk all over him.

  • http://www.ojhoops.blogspot.com the baconator

    If Dwight was smart enough, he’d figure that in a way, this IS Shaq’s advice. Become good enough to warrant respect from Shaq, and then you’re great. Rather than b*tchin about how he expected more from the original Superman, Dwight should instead get his *ss in a gym and start working to improve his game

  • Diesel

    Everyone talking about 4 rings and stuff, that’s not the issue. The issue is Dwight 2009 is better than the near 40yr old Shaq 2009. Obviously Shaq has had the better career. Shaq’s best 2 games this year are basically around Dwights season averages.

  • malanacream

    Maybe Dwight is better than shaq now, but he’ll never be as good as shaq was… Absolutly nobody could stop shaq when he was fit. Although I’d love to see dwight dunking on shaqs head.

    Some brazilians Thoughts.

  • CP34MVP

    is Dwight better then Shaq? I mean if they were both the same age? who’s better?

  • Diesel

    Keep in mind too that Shaq has ALWAYS had a dominant 2 guard to help shoulder the load. The closest thing Dwight has is Hedu. Put Dwight and Kobe on a team together now and I’ll bet Dwight puts up similar, if not better numbers to what Shaq did in those championship runs.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    I’ll take Shaq Daddy in the playoffs, though.

  • Diesel

    Really? Now? Shaq didn’t do much when the Heat won it all other than watch Wade shoot free throws. And last year in the playoffs he helped the Suns to the exact same finish they had the year before..losing to the spurs. Are you saying that if you had a team of Dwight, Amare, and nash they wouldn’t have done better than the current team did?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    CP34MVP cant be serious. Shaq by a mile!

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    Diesel, they didn’t win anything without him. same as Kobe and Phil’s Lakes.

  • Diesel

    The Heat also had 3 other players retire that same year. And as for Kobe and Phil…they’re wining it all either this year or next. Shaq see’s it too. That’s why he’s playing nice and trying to latch on to their championship team for one last run…then he’ll take all the credit for it.

  • J-Bird

    the fact that 3 heat players retired the next year just speaks to Shaq’s ability to elevate his older teammates games, and I doubt the lakers win it all this year.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Co-sign the last 1/2 of diesel’s comment. But the Lakers wont win this year, next year is theirs though…

  • slamfan4life

    Dwight=Shaq when he was wit Orlando

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    Take credit for what?..He can’t go there this year and he won’t be going next..What you on about diesel?…i Think you should change your name..A Shaq hater who posts as Diesel?..A little suspect…

  • ab_40

    he’ll have advice for him when both he and grant hill retire and buy the orlando magic… cuz I don’t see shaq becoming a cop haha

    shaq averaged 20 and 11 in those playoffs with miami

  • Diesel

    Jaymes – I’m saying if Shaq goes to the lakers next year and the Lakers win the chip with Shaq as a role player, he’ll say they won because of him, even though everyone knows they would have won without him anyway. As for the diesel name, Shaq WAS diesel, now he picks and choses when to be semi effective and spends the rest of the time talking about how good he was.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    Yeah ok, i still highly doubt that Phil will take Shaq back as a role player next year.
    The lakes have enough to win without him.
    But if they don’t win this year and he does in fact go there next year, won’t it be because of his presence?

  • Diesel

    I’m thinking the piece that would put them over the top next year is having Bynum back at full strength and another year wiser. Not so much Shaq…if that even is the plan.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    I doubt, with Bynum and Gasol the Lakes would chase Shaq.
    But as far as Shaq goes, he’s still dominant when he gets enough touches, and he can still torment the best big men in the L at 37. If Bosh, Howard and any other big men have an issue they should be doing their best to humiliate him on the court with speed and more importantly WINS, and if they feel the need, bash him up in the media a bit too.

  • Diesel

    I agree with everything you just said. I’m saying Dwight will do that tonight and for the remainder of their match ups.

  • JayP
  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I don’t even know what the discussion is about I don’t think dwight will be the scorer shaq was ever. As for right now? I’d take 21 and 14 over 18 and 8. But the legacy thing come on that’s a joke its shaq by a mile.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    I hope so Diesel, it’s the only way to shut him up…A Dunk or two in his face with a little taunt would be a sight!

  • http://PROTEGECOLLECTIONYAHOO.COM DALLAS STOKES

    SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT ALL I SEE IN DWIGHT IS A SHAQ ZEROX COPY CRYING. SHAQ IS SECOND ONLY TO WILT AND KAREEM,AND KING O, EVERYONE ELSE BESIDES WALTON HE SHOWED LOVE. ITS JUST GOOD TO HAVE THE OLD BIG BACK, ITS GOOD FOR THE L. T.W.I.S.M, CHUCH.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    Dallas, Wilt Kareem and King O..No others in front of him?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Shaq will dunk on dwight first in tonights game.

  • BostonBaller

    Shaq was the original Superman but just like in the movies there are remakes.

  • Shawn Alexander

    Ok, I want to know what Shaq said to make Dwight into this cry-baby. What I remember from these two were laughs & smiles at two all-star games: the dance off two games ago & the last one when Shaq was embarrassing him.

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    dwight howard is a man child. he will be better than shaq.

    no disrespect to diesel because the man is a hall of famer but dwight needs to show this man how elite he is.

  • Shawn Alexander

    & to put this argument to rest, you people have to understand this; it isn’t about go-to moves, championships & all that. Dwight still needs to learn how to dominate a game before he can ever be as good as Shaq. Shaq is bad at shootin’ free-throws, yet his teams still gave him the ball in the closing moments of a game, even though he’d be fouled (of course, having D. Wade or Kobe to pass it to beforehand isn’t bad either.) Hedo & them other guys tend to dominate the game in the 4th, so until Dwight becomes important enough to take that chance with, they aren’t comparable yet

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    important stat lines:
    dwight – 25+ points, 15+ boards, 5+ blocks 4+ fouls.

    shaq – 12 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block 5 fouls

  • Young Chris MP3

    “diesel” shouldn’t be allowed to use that tag name. There’s no way to justify that Shaq’s best two games were Dwight’s season averages, Shaq’s 45 point game this year equals Dwight’s CAREER high in points. GOOGLE IT! And those comparing Dwight to Shaq at Dwight’s age? Give me a break! Diesel was droppin way more points and the same rebound numbers in Orlando, while leadin his team to Conference and League Finals.

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    but the league has alot better competition now then it did then. besides the bulls.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-Sign Diesel. Dwight would do something similar to what Shaq did if he had Kobe, there’s no doubt about it. AND he’s do it without having to elbow shot-blockers in the face (ie Shaq on Mutumbo).
    Young Chris thinks Shaq is number two to MJ. Sure…

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    What witness? At Centre you had Ewing, Hakeem, DRob to battle, now you have Yao and some jump shooting 7 footers. Wake up. The Rockets,Bulls, Jazz, Pacers, knicks, Spurs, Magic and Suns squads of the 90′s would back themselves against the top teams of today and trump them in most cases.
    Alot better competition my a**.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Witness: There’s no way to prove that. There’s always loads of competition.
    BUT what Shaq had that Dwight doesn’t, is a HEALTHY PENNY HARDAWAY.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    The defining q for me is; Do you feed Dwight in the post with a game or playoff series on the line and expect him to deliver..?
    Not yet….

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign jaymes 7:52 pm. Back then there was definitely a higher quantity of talented centers and rugged power forwards.

  • http://www.hibiahi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Young Chris wins.

  • elle

    i’ve noticed that too.. ever since dwight won the slam dunk comp last yr and a lot of people has been calling him superman, shaq only had harsh words to say about him. i dunno if its jealousy of knowing that dwight is slowly taking his throne as the “best center” he hates having dwight take his superman moniker from him.

  • youngmuggsy

    When did Shaq become responsible for Dwight Howards development?

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    Shaq and Dwight should make up by sharing free throw tips before the game.

  • http://www.hibiahi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    youngmuggsy also wins

  • http://www.hibiahi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    I JUST READ THE ARTICLE. MUTONI IS THE KING OF SPINNING SH!T

  • http://www.hibiahi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    ” You know, it’s normal for a kid to copycat his idol, but you know he can never be this good,” Shaq has said.

    Shaq was asked by CBSSports.com’s Ken Berger recently if Howard was the closest thing to being the next Shaq. O’Neal scoffed.

    “No. Not at all. He’s a good player. He can jump. But no,” he said. “I was the type of player that they had to have secret meetings and change the rules and do all that. Probably never be another me. He’s a good player, but everything he’s done, I’ve invented. So I’m not impressed.”

    Sports Illustrated asked O’Neal — who sports a Superman tattoo and often wears Superman pajama bottoms to practice — whether Howard’s Superman shtick bothered him.

    “Doesn’t bother me. I can’t be impressed by something I invented in ’92 [his first year in Orlando]. I mean, you look at what he is doing, I’ve been there and done that,” O’Neal said. “Every street he is driving down in Orlando, I have been on that street. Every nightclub, every restaurant. … I have been there and done that.

    “Until he wins three, four championships, then we can talk about him. But right now, he is just like every other big guy: ‘You can run and jump, but you haven’t won yet.’ “

  • http://www.hibiahi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    that is what Dwight is mad about. Not the growth thing. NOW COMMENT

  • http://www.hibiahi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    although i do agree with shaq. This is 5 comments in a row. I am done now

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    @ everybody: i strongly disagree. the bulls would definitely lose to either the celtics or the lakers in a 7 game series.

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    wait BETcats! so youre arguing that since the rules were changed for shaq and he started the domination down low means that he is better? i think that dwight has to follow the same rules as shaq does. if shaq didnt do it dwight difinitely would have.

  • http://www.hibiahi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    No i am posting what was in the article, the part Mutoni neglected, and the part that made Dwight mad. I didnt say any of that stuff, SHAQ DID.

  • http://www.hibiahi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    I agree with what shaq said, but these are the ‘comments’ Dwight was refering to

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Shaq has a good point. He is game-changing in the same way Wilt and Jordan were. Hack-a-Shaq was invented just to slow him down, and to keep him off the boards in Shaq’s prime some teams had players try to box him out facing him, in hopes that someone else got the rebound – so afraid were teams of Shaq getting an offensive board right under the basket. They widened the lane and did a whole bunch of other rules thanks to Wilt. Jordan… Jordan Rules.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Good observation, BETCATS.

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    ok! i see what all of you are saying but i think we should stop comparing dwight to shaq right now. dwights frame is really different and he and shaq are two totally different players. i think dwight would be a much greater power forward than a center much like amare proved last season.

  • BostonBaller

    @Witness The comp was better b/c every other year the L gets more and more watered down and the rules have changed so much so that the offensive player (mostly gaurds) have a huge advantage. I love my Celtics but those Bulls teams were…… Can you imagine (choose your scorer) being allowed to be manhandled bybthe REAL Bad Boys and still being effective?

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    @ BostonBaller: yeah i changed my mind. you guys can start mocking me now. jordan would have exploited any boston defense and pippen would have contained kobe to von wafer numbers.

  • BostonBaller

    Kobe would have gotten his numbers but they wouldn’t have been as effective. There are a couple of stars in modern day NBA that could have balled back then but not too many. lol. Can you imagine Labron having the energy to score if he had to gaurd Bernard King one night then Bird or etc etc night after night? lol

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    The rules change. But I don’t think the rules really have caused the league to become “watered down” with offensive players having huge advantages. Yes, you can’t back down your man for half the shot clock now. And yes, there are zone defenses. But it’s been a decade since Mike retired, and look at the NBA champions to date. They’ve all been anchored by a premier low-post player – Shaq, Duncan. The Pistons also had a guys like Chauncey and Prince and Rasheed, all who can kill on the low post. The Celts have PP and KG. IMHO, this “guards have the advantage now” idea has been a bit exaggerated by the *regular season* success of those Suns teams.

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    LeBron can hold his own. Hes not human. I think his energy comes from the death star…

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    yeah. an undeniable big man is the reason for championship success. but KG and rasheed wallace are the only two guys who dont have to dominate in order to win. these two can guard any big man and still get their stats.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    I think we’ve had this discussion before a bunch of times on Slamonline. But comparing players from different eras is moot. If Lebron James, freak of nature as he is right now, were put in the league 50 years ago, he would probably put up 50,15 and 15 every night. I don’t think Jordan would’ve had that much an easier time against the Celtics’ defense. Is Pippen that much better a defender than Ron or Bowen or Battier? If they can’t *individually* stop Kobe, would Pippen so easily do so?

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    Pippen didnt need to guard anybody straight up. jordan of course was a good defender but the two combined would put him in chains and throw the key away. we just credit pippen because he was the better help defnder and took TEAMS out of their comfort zone. But its almost impossible to do that agibst the triangle offense. so maybe they would have different head coaches too.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    And… Lebron may not have to guard Bernard King one night and Bird another, but he probably has his hands full with a bunch of guys named Wade, Bryant, Pierce, Roy, Melo, and he seems to be holding his own.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    Yes Pippen is that much better at D than Ron, Bowen and Battier. Plus his scoring, rebounding and assist play put him well above that lot..
    Jordan and Pippens Bulls (the 96-98 variety) are the only Champs i can think of in history that didn’t contain a legit low post threat. It’s silly to compare different era’s but that is the best way to place Jordan and Pippen as all timers…Rule changes aside

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    On Shaq-Dwight, as many of the smart commentors noted, they’re totally different players. Dwight isn’t half the offensive player Shaq was… is. Will Dwight put up a decade worth of 30 and 10 seasons? I doubt so. Shaq has a knack of scoring, a bad-blooded killer instinct that Dwight doesn’t have, that makes him an elite scorer – the same blood that runs through the veins of guys like Kobe, Mike, Reggie… Ronaldo (the fat one). Not a good comparison.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Can Pippen stop Kobe?

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    lebron is the greatest and nobody will ever be close. no matter what any of you say can change my mind.

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    FREE DWIGHT! (to the PF position)

  • BostonBaller

    One of the main reasons ppl (I) bring up rule changes is b/c of the no hand checking. That undeniably gives a quick offensive player a major advantage. As far as Pippen, yes he was a better defender than the ones you mentioned (his length and athleticism was scary)plus you had to guard him on the other end. One of the biggest differences in today’s game is a lack of fundamentals. A lot of basketball camps are nothing more than allstar games and very little is taught at them. I still LOVE this game so I’ll shut up.

  • BostonBaller

    Co-sign Jaymes’ latest. Pippen could slow Kobe or James down. Guys like Kobe or James can’t be “stopped” just contained.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    Joel, Pippen guarded eveyone from Isaih and Magic, to Malone and Barkley and did the job.. Stop Kobe? Dunno, but he’d limit his numbers, that i’m sure of.
    Witness, if you’d grown up watchin ball in the 80′s and 90′s you’d probably realise that without Mag and Mike there’d be no LBJ..LBJ is phenomonal but “No one even close” Thats criminal to say!

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    @ jaymes: im only 17. i didnt start watchin basketball until the early 2000s but im like an encyclopedia.

    and i was kind of kidding. but i think he will be the greatest with a large margin between him and mike.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @jaymes: Yeah. Pippen guarded the best players in the L in an era where it was stacked. I don’t know about stopping him – turning him into Von Wafer – but there’s probably no one else in his prime who would have a better shot.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Witness: Sorry bro, but MJ may be… matched by LBJ, if all goes right… but NOT topped, not by any margin.

  • BostonBaller

    Jaymes, you can’t blame the “yungins” I’m 40 and I remeber when the Bucks were contenders. lol. Marquis Johnson, Moncrief, Jr. Bridgeman, Sikma!!, Lanier etc etc. If you look on the bench of EVERY squad you will see a lot of the old guys and they try to help these young guys. In the 80′s & 90′s you didn’t see that as much (it wasn’t in fashion I guess or the 70′s guys were hihg. lol)

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Actually, BostonBaller, I’d have to agree with you on the “lack of fundamentals” part. One thing that irks me is how many VERY GOOD nba players make a brilliant drive to the hoop on the left, but then instead of making a left-handed layup they go up with their right. I know this is kinda nitpicky, but it happens quite a bit.

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    LeBron > God

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    Believe It.

  • BostonBaller

    We will never know if James is TOUGHER than MJ b/c defenses aren’t allowed to assault him. lol. Witness, go back into your encyclopedia and research The Original Detroit Bad Boys then tell me if James would waltz through the lane (crab dribble or not) and make layup after layup like he does against these fake defenders. James is a freak and barring injury a future HOFer but let’s not get crazy.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    True Boston, i’m not blaming the youngins, they can only judge off what they’ve seen..Hell, the Sonics and warriors were demons in the late 70′s!!
    @ witness..Large margin ay..If he gets 8 rings and does it all with only Mo Williams, maybe!

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    @ BostonBaller: i think that would convince lebron to finally get a cosistent jumper.

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    nah i say 10-15 rings by himself.

  • BostonBaller

    @Witness: Go to bed, you have school in the morning. lol Shaq vs Howard was fun to watch but Shaq is the Real Superman and he doesn’t need a cape.

  • http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=243084247 Witness

    wow. i do need to go to school in the morning. and tomorrow we have a test. but i love SLAM and one day you guys will be posting comments from the entires that i write.

  • BostonBaller

    Joel, it drives me crazy when no one cuts off baseline. Try moving the feet and they wouldn’t have to pretend to reach for the ball and get cheap fouls. There was a lt of traveling not called in the 80′s & 90′s but guys are using a spin AND a hop step to get to the hoop now. lol

  • BostonBaller

    Good luck on your test young Witness

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @BostonBaller: Haha. Too true on the hop step, which is now in everyone’s arsenal but really would’ve been called a travel as recent as a decade ago.

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    If he gets 10-15 by himself witness, he is BY FAR undisputed!
    Lads no one plays as good D these days, with zone you can afford to be a little lax, thats the diff between defenders like Pip and Bowen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=627550406 KA

    dwight is a grown ass man. he should not get butthurt and just let his play talk for him. what is this feelings talk?!!

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    10-15 rings. Right. Dude will have to win every ring from this season’s until he’s 40 to do that.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Shaq is a c0cky, childish, egotistical, thickheaded, inferior player to Dwight Howard.
    Good on ya’, Shaq!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ KA: Shaq is a grown @ss man. He should stop running his stupid motor mouth.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ BostonBaller: Back in before the new millennium, players didn’t crab dribble, either.

  • chintao

    @ TADOne Posted: Mar.3 at 11:50 am ==> That footwork is called traveling. That said, Howard’s whine is a little unfair. Shaquita is just bigger than everyone else and the refs never call him for charging anymore. Size and favorable officiating can’t be taught. What does D12 expect from O’Neal? A primer on how to decimate an all you can eat?

  • http://www.s-preme.com S-Preme

    too bad Shaq can’t win without Kobe…smh, shaq needs a attitude adjustment, and a new wallet for his senior citizen card…i call jealousy

  • three food items and their life together in South Jersey

    Dwight Howard is THE goofiest bag of muscles ever

  • three food items and their life together in South Jersey

    Luke Ridnour can’t be stopped by any one defender. he can dribble around them fairly easily, the other four defenders have to help stop Luke from scoring easily, whilst guarding the others on the Milwaukee Bucks. the same is true of all other players ever.

  • Fred34

    I like it when Howard cries like that – it just proves Shaq’s point. PS. Why would he help you NOW? If he was retired yeah maybe, but now?!? Wake up a bit there kid.

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  • German Reignman

    I do not know who received the worse treatment:
    Bosh was only called RuPaul while Dwight behaves like RuPaul …

  • BostonBaller

    @chintao Which superstar doesn’t get the calls? They could call charge on James every other drive to the basket. Unfortunately it is what it is. lol. It’s a catch 22 since he gets away with charges he also gets hacked and there are no calls. There are a lot of good floppers you know….

    WZUP T the B, you lost me w/ the “Back in before the new millennium, players didn’t crab dribble, either.”

  • Nene33

    It’s great to see Shaq back, both on and off the court, it really livens things up. :D

  • john

    someone should shut shaq up! maybe thats why his wife couldn’t stand him

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    @S-Preme: oh yee with short memories. Shaq can’t win without Kobs? Really? Guess the championship in Miami was won in Limbo. Vice versa dude, vice versa.

  • BostonBaller

    I believe Shaq left his wife and not the other way around. They were however together ASG weekend. lol

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Darksaber
    There was this cat named D-Wade on that team.

  • Young Chris MP3

    Go and read Vincent Thomas’ article on NBA.com about Diesel. I’m not the only one who sees it.

  • Adam

    Hey does anybody know who david thorpe is referrring to in this article?

    “Years ago, I heard about a short little shooter (whose name is not important) heading into the 10th grade. I went to watch him play at a basketball camp that featured nothing but top-rated players, 16 and under. Most observers thought he’d be overwhelmed by the talent.

    He played well in his first game, but his team trailed by 9 with 50 seconds to go. However, he then made three consecutive 3-pointers, plus a steal, and suddenly the game was tied. We all stood slack-jawed at what had just happened. But the player acted as if he expected that ending.

    Two years later, he led the nation in scoring (50 ppg) and was a McDonald’s All-American. Two years after that, as a college soph, he was a starter in the NCAA title game. The kid was easy to write off, but he just kept coming, because he knew he had “it.” Those of us who saw that last-minute performance knew he’d end up being a difference-maker.

  • adam

    I cant figure out who this is…, somebodyu please… any true baskebtla fan would know…. !!! !ahhh

    ” Years ago, I heard about a short little shooter (whose name is not important) heading into the 10th grade. I went to watch him play at a basketball camp that featured nothing but top-rated players, 16 and under. Most observers thought he’d be overwhelmed by the talent.

    He played well in his first game, but his team trailed by 9 with 50 seconds to go. However, he then made three consecutive 3-pointers, plus a steal, and suddenly the game was tied. We all stood slack-jawed at what had just happened. But the player acted as if he expected that ending.

    Two years later, he led the nation in scoring (50 ppg) and was a McDonald’s All-American. Two years after that, as a college soph, he was a starter in the NCAA title game. The kid was easy to write off, but he just kept coming, because he knew he had “it.” Those of us who saw that last-minute performance knew he’d end up being a difference-maker.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Witness Posted: Mar.3 at 11:17 pm
    wow. i do need to go to school in the morning. and tomorrow we have a test. but i love SLAM and one day you guys will be posting comments from the entires that i write.
    ________________________________________________
    Cant wait to reed your entires…

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Shaq sucks now. He’s been overrated his entire career, but now its the icing on the cake. He’s ALWAYS been allowed to commit offensive fouls on defending centers.
    Otherwise, do you people REALLY think he has the finesse, muscle, and skills need to actually MANEUVER/POSITION himself around other big men?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    needed*

  • epbourgeois

    Magic 111, Suns 99. Nuff said; SUCK IT SHAQTUS

  • TheAnswer71086

    Eboy with an impressive Godzilla reference ^

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    Teddy, yes he did and does have the skill, footwork, muscle, talent and everything else to become what he is, and he has 4 rings and 6 finals appearances to prove it..Stop bagging him out dude, it sounds like you’ve never, seen Shaq at his best..Ever..I’m guessing you can’t remember or were too young (?) to see his spin and jam move he used on Ewing, DRob and every other centre he has battled. Over rated my a**

  • http://jamescleaton.ning.com jaymes

    No bum has ever won a finals MVP, and that is undeniable…!!Anyone bringing up comparisons between Shaq and Howard need to wait till Howard becomes a champion and does it leading his team. Howards a great player but just wait a minute….

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ jaymes: Uhhh… If half of Shaq’s offensive fouls were called, we would never be hearing of Shaq’s “Finals MVP’s”.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    @AllenP: after your whole Shaqbashing thing of the last few days, it’s not really worth it trying to prove you wrong, since your opinion is set, and that’s fine dude. Thing is, S-Preme stated that Shaq can’t win without the Mambiatch, which is in effect…WRONG! He did, and he can. It’s purple/yellow panties playa who needs to prove he can do it without the l’il warrior. That is all.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Oh and Shaquille just played FOUR great games in a row, with double figure scoring and rebounding and lots of the little things a center should do. Even a back to back mixed in there. So i guess it’s safe to say, this whole “Shaq is back” nonsense is the real deal, the MDE is getting better from game to game. Now about STAT….

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Darksaber: Okay let’s rephrase that then. Shaq could never win OR get into the finals without a healthy Penny Hardaway, a Kobe Bryant, or a Dwayne Wade: three sublime guards at his side.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    That sounds about right.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Oh ok then, so MJ should never have won with Option 1B being the robin to his Batman, or Bird didn’t need a legendary frontcourt plus defensive guards to win his chips, same goes for Magic not needing Worthy/Cooper/Scott/take your pick during his wins or Hakeem didn’t need Vernon, Kenny, Clyde, Horry or the carcass of MVP David Robinson (to own) during his sublime years… come on Teddy, this “argument” doesn’t fly. Shaq didn’t win more than ECF with Penny either btw. It’s a 5 man teamsport, with most teams in this league geared toward two very potent scorers, creators and the rest get to pick up the crumbs/do the dirty work. As i stated earlier, the argument goes both ways, BUT SHAQ HAS WON without Kob’s.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Oh, my apologies to leaving out Sam Cassel for the Hakeem example. Gollum was big in that finals run.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    I don’t really care much for shaq’s attempts at humour, at times they are plain genius (allstar game practice 06) other times, wasted breath (how my you know what tastes). Thing is, at a weary and heavy 37 later this week, he doesn’t have any business being this relevant in games, but he IS. And that ladies and Gents of the Bash-Shaqorama, is nothing short of fantastic. Talking away his accomplishments is just lame, i hate Kobe, i do, with a passion, but jesus that guy can BALL. He takes the most difficult shots in all of Basketball and ends up making most of em, especially in tight games. I would never talk down 81-gate or his recent outburst at Madison, so give it a rest with harping on his career achievements….Shaq’s more than proven his worth on the court.

  • http://jamescleaton.nin.com jaymes

    Teddy, Your saying that the guy with the most offensive fouls in history doesn’t get called for offensive fouls?
    Shaq has probably been on the recieving end of more sh(t offensive foul calls than anyone, strictly because of his size, not his inability.He’s dealt with haters, like yourself, and others in the media bagging him for his oversized slackness by answering with rings..
    He has more than held his own against 4 of the greatest centres to play the game, and has always performed in Finals games. It’s just plain stoopid to rag on someone with the record and legend Shaq has.

  • chintao

    ^ I believe what Teddy means is that Shaq commits an offensive foul on every touch. The officials are unable to whistle him for all of the infractions, so they only stop play for the most egregious ones. Also, Shaq himself is the one who has endangered his legacy. His poor performance on the court in Miami (if it was on purpose, that only makes it worse), lack of dedication to the game, failure to respect those who came before him and paved his way, and tiresome off-court antics are impossible to overlook. Indeed, I find it difficult to understand why anyone would come to Shaq’s defense. What would I call someone who defended Shaq? Stoopid could be a word….

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  • larrylegend

    has the oaktree ever help anybody up….i miss the old times.

  • http://themorgans6484@att.net Chris

    Dwight looks lost on the court. The game is more than just dunks. If he is not feeding off a pick & roll (W/O a body on him) he has no clue or game. He doesnt belong in the league. How long does it take you to learn the game? “I would be ashamed to call out my coach knowing that I can’t do a dam thing in the post to back him up.” Shaq is better than Howard is right now & you know if you take 10yrs from Shaqs age, he would be all over Dwight. There is only one SUPERMAN! What I cant understand is why would Dwight ride coat-tail of someone elses name. Make a name for yourself!!!
    Hey Dwight here is a song 4 you. Sometimes I dream that he is me——-U know the rest. Make a name for yourself and stop swinging.

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  • D-12

    WE all know O’neil at his prime won because of the players on his team, and not becasue of himslef. When he lost or felt good he just cried and insulted others knowing noone would go against him. Her is just a big looser. And shaq isn’t stronger than DWight… He is fatter than Dwight. Shaq is a big fat lñooser. With that fat he could push over anyone. Oh and with 7’1 my granny could also play in the NBa. So Shaqw isn’t anything amazing. Dwihgt plays well, gets assista, scores big sometimes, even though sometimes he doesn’t play well and is only improving. If Dwihgt is a better Center now imagine in a couple of years. He’ll be the best ever. Yoiu bunch of loosers think Dwihgt stole the Superman Name. Shaq has 500 names, if i named my self “the Big Hamburger” the headllines would be, Some guy stole Shaqs nickname. Oh and besides, superman was athletic cool guy like dwihgt Howard, he wansn’t some fat rude slob that can’t jump like Shaq. You are all jealous that your hero, fat pig Shaq is being Dethronmed by howard who is barely in his 5th year!!!

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