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Monday, March 2nd, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  129 responses

Post Up: 7 Seconds or Shaq

While LeBron saves the Cavs.

by Holly MacKenzie

Mr. O’Neal, I’m sorry I doubted you last season.

I apologize for thinking you were done and the Heat were lucky to have gotten rid of you. I will trust when you say that you are still a dominant force and as much as I love Dwight, you will be the original Superman.

How crazy has Shaq been this weekend? 45 points on 20-25 fg’s Friday night, then another 33 against the Lakers yesterday. Most importantly, the Suns won both of these games, against the Raptors and Lakers. Each without Steve Nash.

I can’t help but really, really pull for the Suns to take the eighth spot in the West. Especially after the game yesterday, I’d love a Lakers/Suns first round series.

LeBron James might be the most amazing player in this league in terms of size, speed and skill, but I think Josh Smith is the most amazing in terms of athleticism. He is just so ridiculous sometimes.

Who else would like to see a race between Barbosa, Harris, Parker and JJ Barea? Only me?

Secret time: I watched The Apprentice last night. Yup, I did. You can thank Matthew Cornelius from HP for that because he twittered about how amazing it was. Turns out.. da-da-da-da, DENNIS RODMAN was on the show. Definitely got suckered into watching that one. Dennis Rodman baking cupcakes was fun.

You know what else was fun? Watching Jason Terry return for the Mavs. Speaking of injuries, Luol Deng with a broken fibia. Yuck. Thoughts and well wishes are being sent his way.

Nellie sitting Stephen Jackson didn’t do my fantasy team any favors. The StackJaxx with Mr. Jackson sitting on the bench just didn’t feel right. I’m still sitting pretty in first place, though.

Speaking about Jax, he’s got 15 technicals on the season. I definitely didn’t realize this. It doesn’t really shock me because I do see him get a lot of calls, protesting fouls on himself and also on behalf of his teammates, but 15. Gah. Sheed picked up another tech yesterday in the Bosto game and then he tried to protest the tech call. Sometimes that guy just makes me shake my head. Love him though, even though he’s got to be beyod frustrating sometimes.

Without Jax, the Warriors fell to the Jazz, 112-104 as Deron Williams scored only 6 points, but dished 20 assists. Mehmet Okur scored 23 points and Ronnie Brewer added 21. The Warriors received 20 points apiece from Jamal Crawford and Anthony Randolph while Corey Maggette added 27 points off of the bench in a losing effort.

Also: The Kings bought out Drew Gooden. Hmm. Reports say the Spurs or the Cavs are front runners to get him. With Ben Wallace sidelined indefinitely, I could definitely see the Cavs bringing him in.

I didn’t get to see any of the Houston/Timberwolves game, but ever since the TWolves were here last week, I’ve been wanting to see them play. Randy Foye is such a fun player to watch and I like Ryan Gomes as well, particularly after hearing from Myles how cool he is offcourt as well. The Wolves have a fun, young group. I often think of Corey Brewer and wonder how he will be when he returns next season from that ACL surgery. The Rockets took down the Wolves 100-94. Aaron Brooks scored 22 points and dished 10 assists in the W, while Yao Ming had 17 points and 11 boards and Luis Scola added 15 points and 11 rebounds. In the loss Foye finished with 24 points while Craig Smith scored 20 and Ryan Gomes added 11.

Without Manu Ginobili the Spurs fell to Portland, 102-84. Scoring only 37 points in the first half, the Surs were done before half time as the Blazers led 64-37. Portland easily rolled to the victory from there and there was nothing Tony Parker or Tim Duncan could do to stop it. LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy each scored 26 points for the Blazers as Steve Blake added 15. Parker had 15 points on the night, Duncan scored 14 and Roger Mason added 13 in the loss.

Phoenix 118 LA Lakers 111

With Nash missing another game as a result of that sprained ankle, the Suns started Leandro Barbosa and one again relied on Shaquille O’Neal. One game after dropping 45 points against the Toronto Raptors, O’Neal finished with 33 points as the Suns ran out to an early lead against the Lakers, led by 10 at the half and then survived a third quarter scare from Kobe Bryant To open the third, the Lakers outscored Phoenix, 19-4, 17 of those points coming from Bryant. After seeing their lead disappear and the Lakers go ahead, the Suns sprang into action and the play of Barbosa, Barnes and O’Neal led the Suns on an 18-4 run of their own, to go into the fourth quarter with the lead still at 10. In the fourth, the Lakers kept it close, but were simply unable to close the gap. Barnes was fantastic for the Suns, finishing with 26 points, 11 rebounds and 7 assists. Barbosa added 22 points and Grant Hill added 17. Bryant finished with 49 points to go with 11 rebounds and Pau Gasol scored 30 points in the loss.

Detroit 105 Boston 95

After a win against Orlando with Rip Hamilton in the starting lineup, the Pistons headed to Boston to face a still-KG-less Celtics team. Whether it was the lack of KG or the play of Rip (or, a combination of them both), the Pistons were able to come away with the 105-95 victory. While the two teams kept things close in the first quarter, Detroit was able to pull away in the second, taking an eight-point lead into the half, 55-47. In the second half, the Celtics came back in the fourth and led by as many as four, but Detroit quickly went on a 13-4 run to take control of the game and then Rip and Tayshaun Prince each hit a three in the final two minutes to protect the victory. Hamilton finished with 25 points and 9 assists, while Prince and Rasheed Wallace each scored 15 points apiece. The Celtics were led by Paul Pierce’s 26 points, Kendrick Perkins scored 12 points and Glen Davis scored 18 points in the loss.

New Orleas 99 New Jersey 96

The Hornets escaped with a close one on the road last night, taking down the Nets, 99-96. While the Nets trailed by 13 in the first half, they quickly came back and the game remained close until the final play, which ended with Devin Harris trying for another miracle shot, heaving a three-point attempt that wasn’t close. David West was solid for the Hornets, finising with 32 points to go with 11 rebounds, but it was Chris Paul who made the crucial plays in the final minute. With the Nets holding a one-point lead, CP3 stole the ball and scored to give his team the one-point lead. On the Nets next possession, he picked off a pass and got the ball to Rasual Butler who was fouled. After he made the free throws, Harris had to attempt the three and the game was New Orleans. Paul finished with 14 points, 8 rebounds and 9 assists and Butler added 22 points. Vince Carter and Devin Harris scored 26 points apiece with Harris adding 14 assists in the loss.

Indiana 100 Denver 94

The Pacers are learning how to win without their All-Star. With Danny Granger still missing time, they are getting contributions from different guys to make up for his absence. Two players in particular who has raised their game have been Jarrett Jack and Troy Murphy. Last night Jack finished with 28 points and 8 assists as he led the Pacers to a 100-94 victory over the Denver Nuggets. After taking down the Lakers Friday night, Denver simply ran out of gas late. While they led 75-68 at the start of the fourth, the Pacers, led by Troy Murphy, charged back and retook the lead. Down the stretch, Jack was solid for Indiana, knocking down a three and then icing the game with free throws. Murphy finished with 22 points and 18 rebounds. Marquis Daniels added 19 for Indiana. Carmelo Anthony scored 20 points but shot only 8-24 for the game. Chauncey Billups had 27 points and 7 assists and Nene ended up with 12 points and 10 rebounds in the loss.

Cleveland 88 Atlanta 87

After hanging with the Cavs, trailing and then fighting back to take a lead in the final minutes of the fourth, the Hawks became victim to LeBron James. The Hawks came back from 13 down to lead by five with less than two minutes in the game, but then the Cavs came to life. First, Delonte West hit a jumper and the Mo Williams hit a three to tie the game and on the Cavs final possession it was all James as he waved off his teammates and took the ball to the hoop, drawing a foul on Al Horford with 1.6 seconds remaining. He hit one of two free throws and while Joe Johnson got a great look at the basket, he couldn’t hit at the buzzer and the Cavs were victorious. James finished with 26 points and 11 assists, Williams scored 20, Zydrunas Ilgauskas added 17 points and 11 boards and Delonte West scored 12. The Hawks were led by Johnson’s 21 points while Horford scored 10 points to go with 10 rebounds and Marvin Williams added 14 points and 10 boards as well.

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  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Massachusetts is covered in snow! Yeah! So I’m off again, but I’m not sick.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    this fu(ker got first! Raleigh is also covered in snow again. All 3 inches of it will keep us out of school today and most likely give us a 2 hour delay tommorow. Fu(k the free world THE BOBCATS ARE ON A 3 GAME WINNING STREAK WE COMMIN FOR THAT #8 SPOT!

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    and the Pacers can win whatever they like, as long as they get the 9th seed, we hold the tiebreaker against them which would give us the 8th!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    yeah good luck with that one LOSECATS. Ha. Ha. Feel the wrath of the lamest joke in the world.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Dwayne’s busted lip> Kobe’s bent tooth

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    BETCATS’ spelling>>>>>Eboy’s ability to spell his favorite player’s name.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    The world according to Holly (who needs to start commenting here again!): D-Wade’s 50 – Meaningless. Lebron’s 47 – wasted. Kobe’s 49- no comment on what it was.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hmmmm…so maybe it was Iverson.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    ***waits for it***

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    My Band Wade blocked my vision from typing it right.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Moose, you should be familiar with this idea, but i will take a page out of my boy DJ Augustin’s play book and let you know “You will not punk me”

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  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oddly, TAD was nowhere to be found for a few days and now………I guess the Pistons will win the East.

  • Squirrel7

    Always been a big fan of Ryan Gomes, back to his Providence days. However, I don’t have high-hopes for Corey Brewer. I think my ever-lasting memory of him will be his first-ever shot as an NBA player, in the Celtics/Wolves exhibition game in London, where his 3-pointer hit the side of the backboard……

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    This is my BETradumus prediction on detroit:

    They will get the 7th seed, eliminate Orlando (the one team they always poo-poo on) which will be called a ‘upset’ and save Iverson’s legacy. Then they will let Iverson/Sheed walk this summer and sign Boozer/J-Creezy and win the whole damm thing again. Joe Dumars is really a genius.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Right back at you, BET. You won’t punk me either. So, uhhh, shove that!

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Moose fails to understand what the point of that comment was (Bobcats over Celtics, DJ’s post game interview commenting about punking).

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    No no, I understood the reference.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    lies my teacher told me. By moose

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose
  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    BET do you watch Flight of the Conchords?

  • http://www.twitter.com/mansonovic Andy

    I posted in another article that you couldn’t rule the Suns out of the playoffs. I now 100% stand by that comments. I think – out of the 8 seeds – Dallas and Houston are there for the taking.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    No.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    not all of us are rich kids with HBO. Eboy knows my TV situation, and occasionally mocks me for it. I do now have NBA TV though, you can get it for a little exta money. Very pleased about having it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Something tells me that Boozer isn’t going to opt-out of his contract and Millsap will end up with a big contract elsewhere.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    The nba isn’t letting wade sport the nelly anymore happy eboy?

  • The Last Kings Fan

    Meanwhile, in Sacramento, its just cold and raining. No snow. So school. Any wagers on how many Shaq scores in the next game? I’m assuming he can’t keep this up…

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Pasta + Hot Sauce = i see a toliet and want to paint it black.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    No, Shia, thank G.O.D. BET, are you still with the 13 inch tv? You could gank a bigger one from Wal-Mart, just walk out of the garden center with it. Those people pay no attention in that section.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Eboy i though i told you we upgraded to a 20ishincher a little while back. Hahahah your mocking attempts dont even work no more.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    being on a computer with no spell check is terrible

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I wasn’t mocking, just asking.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Michael Curry finally realized that guy with the ponytail and the short, stocky guy at the end of the bench weren’t ballboys.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    JVG and Mark Jackson were going out of their way to not put 2 and 2 together but I’ll do it. The Pistons are playing better with AI out. There.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Z, the Pistons also won 7 games in a row with Rip out.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    can we just say the Pistons are better with 1 star shooting guard at a time?

  • https://twitter.com/Neuronautuk mat smith

    Shaq has been awesome, watched both games, looked like 2002, best center in the West.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Sean May just got bought out!!!!!…………………………………………………..i kid i kid

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    TAD, isn’t it obvious at this point? They’re (AI and the Pistons) just not a good match. Stuckey is not the type of point guard that defers, he needs the ball in his hands. Put him with a 2-guard who’s a ball-stopper and everyone else gets frozen out. I mean, you see it, right?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    i should go play in the ice-snow, but i would probably end up spraining my other ankle.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    My Post Up is better. Gosh.
    Busy weekend in the L and I caught a shiaskazee load of games.
    -The Nuggets have come such a long way from a year ago, it’s crazy. Billups is the epitome of the word “leader”, they’d be a force if they kept Camby. Good to see The Birdman channeling his energy into blocks and good plays rather than bong hits like Phelps. But Melo still sucks harder than a golf ball through a garden hose.
    -Superhero of the night: Flash- 46 points, 10 assists, 8 rebounds, 4 steals, 3 blocks. He litereally bled for his team on Saturday night and singlehandedly took the Knicks from hell to breakfast.
    -ROND…NOOOOOOOO!!! Despite Big Baby having a good shooting night (though a fat guy jumping is still funny/awkward), the Pistons avoided a season sweep from the Celtics…without Iverson. Sometimes it takes an injury to show that the team is better if AI comes off the bench, but Curry’s too much of a p*ssy to say it to Mr.Superstar’s face. Sheed with the 15 tech! One more and he gets a free vacation!
    -Check it, you know how I be, last game Kobe couldn’t do it without me. After being r*ped like a white girl in LA, the Nash-and-Amare-less Suns managed to scrap and claw their way into a victory at home. How’d they do it? 2 words: Shaq Diesel. Anyone who doubts The Big Aristotle’s revival needs a federal bailout for their stupidity. Despite garbage turnovers from them, they still managed to incorporate (that’s an understatement, more like RUN THE WHOLE OFFENSE through) Shaq and get the win. After crushing the Raptors with 45 points on Friday (including 20-25 FG), Shaqtus followed that up with a 33-point, paint-r*ping performance. J. Rich or Die Tryin’ had a SWEET-looking off the backboard bank shot. Why the hell are there as many Laker fans in Phoenix as there are Suns fans? Each time anything happened you’d hear boos and cheers at the same time – make up your damn mind! Can’t be bi-curious in a basketball arena.
    -Duncan came back but refused to get his team the win, citing “is the postseason here yet?” as he appeared to be in hibernation mode. Rudy Ferndandez had an off night as he could be seen constantly going out of bounds behind the backboard to perfect his dunk from the Slam Dunk contest.
    -And last but not least, the Cavaliers got their inner Lakers on as they stole an ugly game which they had no right to win. After a failure of coaching on multiple levels, it was Varajao who started the bailout process in the fourth with a fadeaway jumper. Mo Williams hit a clutch 3 pointer to tie it while LeBron teased his way into hitting 1 of 2 free throws, looking over in the crowd and whispering “hey, maybe I should sign with the Hawks…” before burying them. Honestly, it was so hard to watch Mike Brown run the same damn play in clutch situations as he has for the last 5 years. Have you not learned that Bron cannot be dribbling the ball 25 feet from the basket with 10 on the shot clock remaining? Sigh. Run some creative plays you open-mouthed dumbass. Kthx.
    Also, OKC’s Joe Smith was bought out and is on his way to re-join the Cavs locker room. While not exactly a (healthy) Stoudemire-like homerun “trade”, Smith will provide an inside prescene while stretching the floor for the bench-depleted Cavs. So kinda like Mikki Moore, only with real talent and ability.
    So because of both Laker and Celtic losses, the race for home court advantage is back in full swing as all the 3 teams have similar loss columns. Now it’s a matter of who can rack up the most wins, keep their composure, and develop some good habits for the playoffs.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    is this the start of some great trend! I think it is. I am about to write MY Post Up, which will eat Anton’s Post Up’s face.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Post Up- So some stuff happened. Yeah. You know that movie where Steven Segal is running around screaming: ‘move the fu(k out the way’, it was kind of like that. Stephon Marbury does not have Green Starbury’s. This is terrible and outrageous. I demand the Celtics release him. The only team in the NBA that matters (the Bobcats) are on a 3 game win streak. Also, this guy yall know, named Glenn Beck’s head exploded. Not really, but it will, that guy is terrible.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I like how TAD referenced the seven game win streak.
    And I like how Z ignored that.
    The Pistons experiment with the ball stopper and horrible player who is Allen Iverson will be over in less than 40 games.
    They can go back to their regular lives after that, and Iverson can continue to be a ball stopper and chucker supreme.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    “I think out of the 16 games that he was on the bench, 12 or 13 of them we were down 6 or 8 points early,” Prince said. “He gives us that opportunity to go up early with that chemistry we’ve had.”

    The move has been so positive, in fact, that coach Michael Curry announced Saturday that Iverson will be coming off the bench when he returns, which is expected to be tomorrow night vs. the Nuggets.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Yes Z, i’m aware Iverson will be coming off of the bench. Either way, i’m done with defending one way or another. Yes, Rip gives them more chemistry. It couldn’t be the fact that he has played with Tay for almost 7 whole seasons now could it?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I like how AllenP conflated intentional exaggerations with actual truths. Allen Iverson is not a horrible player by any estimation, but he is a ball stopper. And it is a problem. Just sayin.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    oh snap i want to see a argument i dont start!

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    “This is MY House”, spoken like a true B-Ball God! And Nate stepping up to JO was sooooo funny, i choked on my paprika flavored chips. Fool is feeling lightheaded since the dunk contest. Jermaine is no joke, just check out the malice at the palace!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Myles
    My horrible player comment was based on the feelings I’ve seen from most of the Detroit faithful.
    As far as Iverson being a ballstopper and chucker, well that’s been said about quite a few great scorers.
    I believe you’re a fan of one of them.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    SSOL is now SSOSHAQ? Niiiice one, Holly. So much for the theory that phoenix can’t play fast with him in the lineup. Vintage Shaq performances last weekend, loved each one of ‘em.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I hear you. Pistons fans who want to pin all of their problems on Iverson are a bit shortsighted considering the effort this team has put forth the past few years, not to mention the various coaching changes. But Iverson fans who are still ‘giving this time’ have to stop kidding themselves at some point. Hes just not a good fit for this team. The question at this point is what team is he a good fit for?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And as far as our two favorite ball stopping chuckers, we both know the big difference between them.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Dallas! Please lord, send him to Dallas. I don’t care about his current problems to fit in Detroit, Dirk needs another visible star, even if it’s one in decline, so he doesn’t have to shoot over double teams on virtually every posession.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Oh and I’m still going to ignore the 7-game win streak. It doesn’t fit into my argumentation. Ha!
    So where does Allen go? Who can use him?
    My pick : Orlando. They need a go-to guy in the clutch (You’re not winning a chip with Hedo taking every big shot). What else is out there for him? T.O? Philly?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    As for the footrace Holly would like to see, my money’s on…… Derrick Rose! Dude is QUICK with the ball. Oh he’s not on the list, Devin then, they don’t call him Dash for nothing.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I’m not giving the experiment time anymore but I also don’t see this as iversons fault at all. They knew who he was when they made the trade and refused to accept the fact that he’s not a fit in cog type of player. Sometimes as a coach you have fine tune your system a bit to fit certain players especially great ones. And not for anything but averaging only 18 points and 5 assists sounds like he’s trying to fit in to me.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Shia is smart. Myles, I stopped saying it needs more time to implement AI 20-some games ago. No excuses. I just get tired of the AI bashing is all. First-year-coach Curry deserves blame in how he was setting up the rotations to try and please the big names in Rip, Iverson, Tay, and Sheed. Curry is starting to learn pretty quickly that you need to implement your young guys and bench players and stop worrying about upsetting the core players. Maxiell, Amir, Afflalo, Hermann, and Bynum all got playing time at the beginning of the season when Detroit was playing well. Maxiell, Bynum, and Hermann all showed they still have contributions to add with playing time against Boston.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I have no idea what team could use Iverson. I’ve been thinking about for a long time and there are not many teams that needed an undersized, two guard who is a defensive liability and dominates the ball.
    Granted, lots of teams could use an oustanding penetrator, who can force defenses to collapse, score and find opend teammates. Unfortunately, you get all of these traits when you get Iverson.
    And he’s 33 or 34 years-old and probably a ticking time bomb physically.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    Tad – Can you admit I was right about the Pistons yet?
    - They need to run more
    - Iverson should be the one coming off the bench
    - Curry is too passive to make changes on his own he needs injuries to show him the light

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    nbk, you are correct about anything you type on this here message board. You are the Slam Dalai Lamai. Or Nastradamus.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Hasnt that been the crux of the Iverson love/hate all these years? His play demands respect, but his play also demands a complete investment in him with limited results. Orlando might be able to make it work with their shooters and inside presence, but aside from them I cant think of one contender who’d take their chances with him.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    Whatever Tad – Try to bash everything I say on this place since this summer. And I have been right over and over again.
    David West is overrated during the Slam Top 50 I got bashed for that – Then the all star game cam around and everyone knew that he should not have been there
    The pistons traded for iverson – I said make him the 6th man. You said give him a chance. Its just me bringing to your attention that just because you don’t have respect for what i say does not mean I am wrong.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Maybe he doesn’t go to a contender, maybe he needs to go to a young team that just needs a stone cold scorer. I’d like him on the knicks and I don’t care what anybody says. The knicks are a team full of role players with no star and they need someone who can take over and win games while letting the other guys hustle , rebound and play off the main guy.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    Iverson = Ginobili/Barbosa Hybrid if he ever accepts a 6th man role. No matter where he plays any team could use him off the bench

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Oh wait we just got rid of a quick strong athletic point guard who could have been that guy? My bad.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Myles
    I don’t think limited results is totally accurate. At least not back when Iverson was in his physical prime. The problem was that for a long time, NBA coaches refused to admit that Iverson was really just a two guard trapped in a diminutive body, and instead tried to force him to be a point guard.
    Imagine if Philly would recognized what he was immediately, stuck him at the two and then set about trying to find the right sort of players to pair with him.
    Good defenders, spot up shooters and players with relatively small egos. Hell, that almost describes Iverson’s old Philly team except for the part about shooters. I think that if the league would have been more flexible early, Iverson could have had more career success because back when he was in physical prime he absolutely wreaked havoc on defenses. He was as difficult to gameplan for as Kobe and Lebron when he was in his prime.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    nbk: Dude, you still need to learn how to chill the f’ out and just let sh*t ride, man. I never “bashed” you on any of your Pistons comments, I just disagreed. I did bash you on West. However, we won’t be going there again. Thing is, why do you have to puff out your chest and say “look, I said this and it came out correct! Where are my props?” All you need to do is come in and join in the discussion, not try and shine the light on yourself. With that said, I actually do still disagree that the Pistons need to run more and that Curry is “too passive” of a coach. The Pistons have always ran when they get the chance to, but they thrive on execution and controlling the tempo. The didn’t run more against Boston or Orlando. They just executed. And of course Curry is passive to a degree. Show me a first year coach who isn’t?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I don’t see Iverson in New York. First, the Knicks will not commit to that much salary with the Lebron derby coming up. Second, D’Antoni’s offense rewards scorers who are good shooters. Iverson isn’t a good shooter. Scratch that, he’s quite good from mid range, but he’s never had deep range.
    I think Charlotte would be a good fit. Orlando has too many players who need the ball with Nelson and Hedo. The Pacers would be a good fit too, although a backcourt of Ford and Iverson might be a problem.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    But a backcourt of iverson and jack might word. I don’t see him gojng to NY either I’m just saying I wouldn’t mind and I think it fits.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    I am not trying to puff out my chest, I am trying to get respect because I hate saying things and then getting called stupid and dumb instead of someone calmy disagreeing and giving some sort of rebuttal instead of an outright disrespectful poopshoot reply. Its just a respect thing this will be the last time I mention that I am right, just trying to get respect there is no other way. There are plenty of coaches that are not passive in their first year – Michael Curry came in and changed NOTHING. He played the same offense when they got Iverson as they did when they had Billups. He didnt try a new lineup until Rip got injured and he was forced to. He would not have even considered bringing AI off the bench until this injury happened he just would have rode out the whole Rip off the bench scheme. And if you watched the Pistons the last game they had Iverson in the lineup they were much much more effective while running then when they were trying to run a half court set. I am not saying they should run when Iverson is out, but when he comes in off the bench like he should, the team should change the pace, its messes with the other teams strategy and wears them out. First Year coaches who were not passive their first year – Scott Skiles (Phoenix), Avery Johnson (Dallas), Mike D’Antoni. Could keep going.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Unrelated but, TAD, is Stuckey really a 1? Or a 2 who needs the ball in his hands to score?

  • http://ucas.com Vongustedt

    I LOVE IT… Kobe drops 50 and they loose and the fact the 2 assists were within like 10 seconds of eachother, Kobe really needs to pass it more i mean he can f@~ing pass it…..”sigh”.. GO CAVS and Dallas

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    In college he was the latter for sure

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Nbk you’re a douche no matter how you slice it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Z, Stuckey is a combo guard, but was mostly a 2 in college, because that is what the team needed him to be. However, most people agree he has the right skills to be a successful 1. Here is the best explanation I can give you regarding Stuckey. What i’m posting is an excerpt from an article by Drew Sharp:
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    Those stubbornly certain that Rodney Stuckey can’t become a quality NBA point guard need a quick history lesson.

    There was once another young guard prematurely branded as incapable of transitioning from scorer to facilitator. His name might ring a bell — Chauncey Billups.

    Boston drafted Billups third overall in 1997, confident it had found its point guard for the next 10 years. But Billups struggled mightily with the Celtics. Was he really a two-guard in point guard’s clothing?

    Instead of working through the growing pains, the Celtics bailed on Billups halfway through his rookie season. He played on three teams in his first three seasons. Each time, his new team never gave Billups sufficient time to learn from mistakes prevalent in such a difficult evolution.

    It wasn’t until Billups’ fourth stop — Minnesota — that he gradually grew into the position because he finally found a team patient enough to provide him with a forgiving learning curve. He primarily came off the bench with the Timberwolves, so it wasn’t until he butted heads with Larry Brown during their two years with the Pistons that the necessary balance between finding your own shot and getting others involved offensively finally clicked.

    The Stuckey bashers don’t get it.

    Nobody can say with any certainty — right now — that he’s destined for success or failure. There’s no denying he has the talent. But it remains too early for any definitive judgments. He’s basically a rookie this season after missing valuable time last season due to a hand injury in the exhibition season.

    It’s going to take time. It’s irrational giving up too soon on Stuckey out of frustration.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Actually, KryptoNate is a fu*king douche…but he learned his lesson Friday night from opening his mouth and flexing his T-Rex sized arms before he should have.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    lol knick fans

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I think Stuckey as a one is overrated, but I think he would be pretty bad as a two, mainly because he can’t shoot.
    As a one, he has the advantage of going against smaller, weaker players which allows him to just bull over folks at times on offense. Most two guards are his size and while he’s strong, he’s not an outstanding athlete. Basically, playing the point is good for his career, but unless he develops a jumper soon, he’s never going to be great at the one. But, he would probably be worse at the two.
    I’m interested to see how the Iverson off the bench experiment works. If he doesn’t play hard, I’m going to be very disappointed in him for not trying.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    Wouldn’t stuckey just be like the LeBron of PG’s? Tony Parker can’t really shoot although he can a lot better then he used to be able to. I think what Stuckey needs to learn is how to get deep into the defense on every possession, he coud be valuable wearing out opposing PG’s. Especially in late game- foul trouble type situations.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Stuckey already gets deep into the defense.(That sounds mad homo.)
    The problem with him is that he doesn’t do too much besides drive to the basket. He’s a decent, but not great passer, he’s a pretty bad shooter. He can run the team, but he’s still a little robotic and his movements. Plus, he has a shooter’s mentality even when he runs the point, which can affect ball movement.
    However, if he can learn to shoot, all of these problems will be moot. Learning to shoot will guarantee that he can get to the rack much easier and exploit the little midgets at point guard. Once he’s doing that, he can make easier passes to big men waiting for shots.
    Right now, Stuckey has only one real skill and teams are working to take that away from him. He really hasn’t adjusted yet, which is why he sin’t having having the same success he had earlier in the year.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hold up. Stuckey’s strength is definitely going to the basket, but he is not a “pretty bad” or “horrible” shooter. Stuckey does play too tentative at times, but that is because he is still learning how to balance getting his teammates involved and getting his own shots off. If anything, that explains his lackluster shooting percentages, but it is not like he is Shawn Marion out there shooting jumpers. His release and follow thru are pretty pure, he just doesn’t set his feet well or keep his legs under him when shooting. He can re-learn these things.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    And although is strength is going to the basket he does not do it enough. the pistons shoot 4 more ft’s per 48 minutes when stuckey is out of the game. If Stuckey was doing his thing driving to the basket as much as he should his FT attempts numbers would be higher then 5 per 48. He should be shooting around 8 like Tony Parker, IMO he is just too strong and good with the ball to be shooting as many jump shots as he does compared to how often he gets to the hoop.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    It took Tony Parker a bit of time to figure that out. Billups as well. Felton is just figuring this out. My point? There are only but a handful of “true” PG’s that come out of college or overseas. It will take Stuckey some grooming time to find that perfect balance.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Stuckey can’t shoot.. yet. As TAD is saying, the mechanics arent terrible, he’ll come around.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    Cosign tad

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Which brings me to another subject, conventional wisdom says that you have to shoot a little for people to close out so you can get to the rim. Well, that doesn’t really apply to LBJ because people give him space and he STILL takes them to the hole. So seriously, why shoot jumpers at all? I wouldn’t be mad if Bron didnt shoot one more 3 for his career.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Stuckey isn’t Lebron James.
    Lebron is being guarded by people who, even when they give him space, aren’t quick enough to beat him to a spot. Stuckey is being guarded by quick guards who can beat him to the spot, but can’t stop him once he elevates. So, Stuckey is more vulenerable to offensive charges.
    Plus, Stuckey, while a very good finisher, isn’t in Lebron’s class. So, he still has to negotiate things when he gets to the rack when a big man comes over. Lebron just dunks on whoever happens to be unlucky enough to be standing there.
    TAD
    I’m not downing Stuckey. I just don’t think he’s a good shooter right now, and it affects his game.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    Uhm Stuckey is being Guarded by big players Allen….have you been watching detroit games? He has been shut down by teams focusing their defense on him. Since Iverson has been out and Stuckey has had smaller players guarding him he is playing much much better. The problem for stuckey is when BIGGER players gaurd him, small quick gaurds get abused by stuckey. Its happened all season

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I wouldn’t be mad if dwade didn’t shoot another three this season. Dame dude 179 three point attempts and only hitting like 28 percent?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yeah……he hits them when it matters….like coming back to beat your bitch team, Shia.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    Bryan you would have to ask how many open threes has Dwayne Wade taken. He has to go through 95% of a game while being tightly gaurded on the offensive side of the court. And how many threes has Wade been pressured into taking- by being down by so many points threes are the only option.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    I agree, Bryan. Still, if Wade can become a bit more accurate from the land of plenty and open up his game. LeBron is shooting only 32 percent and he’s taken 90 more threes this season.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yes….because Dwyane sucks ’cause he can’t shoot threes like Bron sucks ’cause he can’t use screens and Kobe sucks ’cause he’s a poor leader.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    Oh and Dwight Sucks because he can’t shoot threes as well. And Chris Paul is overrated because he can’t post up big men

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’m not saying LeBron sucks because he can’t shoot 3s… (oh and dead the whole taking screens thing, nonsense)… I would just be effing ecstacic if he would stop taking them. The Cavs have pleny of legit 40% 3-pointers, (Mo, West, Sexyback, Sasha, Boobie) they just don’t need Bron to throw it up like that.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    FUN STAT OF THE DAY: Over the last two games…..Kobe Bryant has had 69 fg attempts and has had 4 total assists.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    69?! Good gosh.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    wow, and they call Iverson a ball hog.

  • Myung

    FUN STATE OF THE DAY 2: Hawks 91 Heat 83 (Hi, eboy).

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    Eboy – Thats rediculous lol good stat

  • Myung

    I wish I knew how to spell “stat” better.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    how is what you said even a stat or even a joke of a stat

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yes….Myung…..your boys got a nice win……also nice how they choked away the game last night. I appreciate the help.

  • Myung

    I don’t think I was addressing you, NBK, but if you must know, last week, eboy and I were discussing who would win last Friday’s tilt between our two favorite teams. Thanks for throwing in your two cents.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    NBK
    You need to re-read my comments about Stuckey since you clearly mis-read them the first time.

  • Myung

    I don’t think we choked last night, bro. It was a painful loss, yes, and I admit they blew a small lead in the 4th quarter but considering we were down for the entire first 3 quarters, I’d say it was a tough loss but not a choke. Simple case of semantics, yes, but I’m still smarting from the loss so I need to somehow see the cup as half full.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    I know you weren’t addressing me, I was just asking how that was relevant, especially for a fun stat of the day….not month

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    Allenp Posted: Mar.2 at 2:37 pm
    Stuckey is being guarded by quick guards who can beat him to the spot, but can’t stop him once he elevates. So, Stuckey is more vulenerable to offensive charges.
    ? I don’t think I misread anything

  • Myung

    Good win for your boys Saturday, eboy. I don’t like our chances tonight. We tend to struggle against Washington, our road struggles have been well documented, and we just played last night in a game that ended at 11 PM. I know they’re the weakest team in the conference, but I expect us to have an uphill climb. I wonder if they’ll even play the game… wasn’t most of the East Coast slammed with snow? If we got 3 to 4 inches in Atlanta, then I can’t imagine how much DC got yesterday and today.

  • Myung

    NBK, it was relevant to the person I addressed, as seen by his reply just minutes later. Thanks for pointing out the relevance, or lack thereof, of my post, SLAMonline police. I’ll try better next time, sir.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    Like I said I was just asking how that was relevant….

  • Myung

    Also, I don’t think Deng broke his fibia, Holly. I think he’s day to day, from what I just read.

  • http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2009/02/quick-fernando-martin-note.html nbk

    He is its a bruised shin

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Play nice eboy. I’m just saying dude shouldn’t be taking so many threes and I know deep down you agree. I love dwade but that’s like double what he normally takes and the season isn’t over yet.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Better question nbk , how are YOU relevant?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Shia……at some point…..Wade NEEDS to have that shot as some form of a weapon. He won’t be Ray Allen any time some…but, you get it. Put it like this…..since he was a rookie…..his makes are at a much higher clip….the percentage will get better with time eventually….but nbk was right earlier….there’s also a ton of times when he’s shooting bail out threes ’cause he’s the only guy on the court that can create a shot. It’s part of the process and that
    s not helping percentages at all.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Myung, your Hawks got jobbed by the refs yesterday.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I agree he needs to develop the three as a weapon I just don’t know if he shoulb be shooting 5 a game when its not quite a weapon yet. But you’re the heat fan so you would know better than I would what kind of shots they are as opposed to just chucking threes.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    You know I should have mentioned this earlier but Lebron shot a three yesterday that was MILES from hitting the rim. That was crazy and its the reason why people say he can’t shoot. Also anyone think the Lakers should sign drew gooden or joe smith?

  • Myung

    Thanks for the support, Tad, but you know what? We still should’ve won the game. I thought some calls went against us (especially when it was LBJ driving to the rim, in particular the one that sent him to the line with 2 seconds left in the game), but we had 31 FT attempts to their 24 so I can’t say too much. I just don’t want to play the “refs screwed us” card. Not yesterday, at least. I thought LeBron was defended fairly well, and I thought the Cavs as a whole played flat (I guess 4 games in 5 nights will do that to you), so we had plenty of chances to pull it out. I hated how the refs bailed LeBron out on about 3 or 4 plays, but other than that, we lost that game fair and square.

  • Candice

    Deng said he’s going to try to to play against the Bobcats.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Shia, I think the Lakers are holding out hope that Bynum will make it back for the playoffs.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Just a minor error holly, but the rockets actually won 105-94, i know its just 5 points, but 100-94 makes it seem like the wolves had a chance lol…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    and Andy you must be drinking if you think the Rockets’ seed is there for the taking. It’s the playoffs they can’t climb, not the regular season. They’re 7-1 in the last 8, and like a game back of the 3rd seed, Portland has a better chance of dropping, as well as the hornets.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    So the Suns are still in the running for making the playoffs!!….and is it now Allen Iversons turn to come of the bench and see how things look? By the way…is it just me or does ‘step’, stephons nic name apparently.. look good in green and white..?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    This was a fantastic comments section to go through. Shia obviously has a deep dislike of the most esteemed nbk (alright, most of us do) but his efforts to insult/goad him were met with…..silence. I am so shocked, the infamous one did not try any comebacks. Is hell freezing over? And the Cavs must have the team with some of the best nicknames around. Big Z, King James, sexyback (ok, that one was coined by Lang yesterday, luv it though), Sideshow Varejao, and the alltime favourite, BOOBIE!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Yesterday? He has been sexyback since the song came on basically. Of course, LBJ goes 6-7 from deep when I tell him not to shoot 3s ever again.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    My apologies, i’ve never heard or read him being called that, until i saw the Lang’s game notes from yesterday. And yeah Z, Bron likes ignoring your suggestions, it seems.(GREAT shooting by him and MO in the fourth though) HORRIBLE execution by the Heat after the 6 minute mark, all starting with Mario making a not so super (failed) timeout call which led to another 3Ball by Mo. Cleveland just showed the whole league (if they didn’t know already) how to make Flash’s 40+ point games irrelevant. MJ ca. 1987 Syndrome, let him get his, then force him to pass in crunchtime and watch his teammates fumble simple layups. AAAARRRGH

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