The Fans Speak: DWill > CP3

Paul: 2 All-Star Games, Runner Up for 08 MVP
D-Will: ?

Why are still arguing with me over this? I told you that there is now way for us to agrre because we have different. You said that I have no evidence that Kobe is the most intelligent basketball player when I specifically said “arguably” and your still arguing with me over it when you cant even clearly prove Russell was the most intelligent player youreself with evidence yourself. I said “arguably” because I wanted to say he is in an elite class with some other intelligent players in history and I didnt want to just say he was greater than them with taking it into careful consideration. I even admitted that Bird Magic and Jordan probably did have greater IQs than Kobe. Im not arguing anymore because I simply dont have the time and plus I said it was pointless to argue over something like B-Ball IQ that doesnt have a concrete definition and is subjective to a person’s views.

now listen, i live in utah, i watch deron play every day and i watch CP3 play as much as possible. Deron is the bigger stronger and more needed player to the jazz and even the nba. CP3 is a great finese player but doesn’t play a near as big role with his team. Dwill is the heart and sole of this franchise and without him they will go no where and start playing as bad as idk the hornets…

I been trying to get out of this arguement for a long time because I know that it will continue on forever. i didnt show evidence because i didnt really wanna argue for that long and didnt take the arguement as seriously as you did. I do have other things besides argue with you for hours. I even said that I repsected that your arguement even though we have different views. I just dont feel like argueing anymore but i did when i had the time to do it. You started the arguement with me when I made an statement and clearly said “arguably”(which meant that I dont really feel like arguing). You even questioned my knowledge of the game of basketball. I simply defended myself and my statement. I had no attention of proving it right or Wrong. My original statement was directed at Allen P because he was talking about how intelligent a basketball player Kobe was and it had nothing to do with you. i never wanted to argue but I argued with you because you attempted to make me look bad and so I defenended. You continue to push the issue even though already acknowledged that I respect your arguement and despite the fact that I disagree with it. Im not trying to prove anything because it is pretty pointless and very subjective.

Westbrook ia good. I like Ramon Sessions.

@ Z
I can agree with that Z but that is why I said arguably and then someone took that out of of context.

Basketball IQ is many things. You have to pick and choose your spots. Even bad shot selection can have a purpose. For example I remember reading a Michael Jordan biography where he discusses his approache to the game, and one thing that he stressed is that periodically he would debilerately attack an oncoming double team (when he could have passed out of it) just to demonstrate to the Defence that he is still a threat to execute a particular offensive move so that they have to double team him HARD as opposed to feign the double team and have time to recover when the pass is made. By making that one selfish play, Jordan may have set himself and his team up for 9 more effective plays because the defence knew he was for real. I see shades of that in Kobe at times.

When it comes to who is better debates I believe that the best indicator is the opinion of other people around the league (ie marketing, stats and coaching systems have less of an effect. Who are the players that are hardest to prepare for? who strike the most fear in their opponents. I also look at intrinsic subtleties such as Who has better footwork (a huge deal in basketball and something that can keep your opponents on the backfoot), or like someone said earlier DWill is a threat to pull up 2 times in a row from deep whereas thats not part of CP3s arsenal. Ask yourself if I was a coach and I was designing a system from scratch that was looking to exploit your personnel’s strenghts, which player would have more skills that are deployable?

In the context of the CP3, DWill debate (and Im from oseas so I have no vested interest in any NBA franchise – I just like to follow good basketball)I’d have to say that DWill is the better player. DWill along with DWade, TP, Manu, Chauncey has one of the most creative handles in the league (CP3′s more of a drop his shoulder and seal a player off as I get past him, and run off lots of picks type of player – seriously he dosnt break ppl down as much as Dwill on one on one iso’s. DWill on the other hand appears to have the ball on a string and is constantly using variations of his footwork to break defenders down. As people have said on this thread Dwill is the better shooter and widely acknowledged (league wide i.e. quotes) as the better defender. CP3 is the better passer no doubt about it, but he is also the beneficiary of a lot of superstar calls (ie sealing players off with his off hand constantly, getting sent to the three throw line) and liberal interpretations of what an assist is. They are equal as leaders although DWill is more clutch.. Statistically, I believe CP3s past two seasons are going to be abnomally rather than the norm. It will be interesting to see his effect on games/stats when either of the following three happen:
a)Pauls body breaks down and he loses some of his speed
b)CP3 becomes disgruntled with the Hornets org (reasonably high chance, following their attempted cost cutting this past trade dealine) and moves onto another franchise
a)NO management realise that they cant win a chip with an offence consisting of 3 guys standin around, 1 ball dominating PG and a bunch of pick n rolls, and begin to search for more talent that can fill other roles that CP3 is doing now

CP3 to me is somewhat like Iverson back in his Philli days (down to the amount of time that he spends with the ball in his hands, yeah he passes but so?), yeah it works to moderate success but could it be transferable to any other team in the league or lead to a championship? Unlikely. Chances are if CP3 ever has to adapt his skills to a new system he will be more of a burden than a strength, or his stats will come way back down to earth.
Just my opinion

btw, you can go ahead and check for errors if you want but i’m very sure i did the correct math and have my work here if you want me to email it to you.

You losers have too much time on your hands.

“the people” also managed to elect George W. Bush to consecutive presidencies….just saying

Am I late?
Chris Paul is better.
Period.
Tata!

Mark Price is the best.

Jazz meet Hornets in playoffs. Jazz win 4-2

Deron williams owns chris paul and the truth is out.

I think Chris Paul is better, but!!: if i were picking teams and they were both available i’d pick deron because i wouldn’t want chris on my team going head to head with deron.

NBK
How can you say basketball in the 1950s and basketball today aren’t that different because they are both basketball, but then use the argument that Larry Bird played in the “Golden Age.”
Isn’t that saying that basketball isn’t just basketball and the quality of your wins depends on when you played?

The only evidence people can present to say that Williams is better than Paul is the head-to-head matchups… that’s it, that’s all they have… because all the other evidence very clearly shows that at this point, Paul is the superior player. The numbers Paul has been putting up last season and this season are HISTORIC. Williams is a great player… and will be for years to come, but as Orlando Green posted above – CP3 is playing legendary ball, not just good ball.

orlando, i think your correct, but just the opposite.

people are saying D will has the better players around him.. The reason why they are better players is because of D Will. Just look at Paul Milsap, Ronnie Brewer, to of the most underrated players in the L and thats because of WIlliams. CP3 is amazing but if i had to take one of the 2 i would go D will “No guts, No glory”

“CP3 is better. D will is lucky to be mentioned with him.” Now that’s just a statement of someone who doesn’t watch basketball. Have you even seen D-Will play? Both players are great, all-star apperences and stats aside. If CP3 is so great that DWILL is lucky to be mentioned with him explain the 2-10 record against him please? Explain why DWILL’s teams have went further? The Jazz aren’t that much better than the Hornets talent wise.

Anybody talking for Tony lets just say his team is why he has 3 chips, and by the way DWill has a western conference appearence! And he beat out CP3 in in rout to getting the record for the Skills contest last year! DWill over CP3 I mean how many game winners has he hit, DWill is CLUTCH!