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Tuesday, March 31st, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  57 responses

Post Up: Dwight Reaches 5k

And the Jazz outlast the Knicks.

by Holly MacKenzie

Very quiet night in the L to recap.

Hamed Hadaddi with 10 points and eight rebounds in less than 10 minutes of play. That’s kind of nuts. He may finish with more, but that’s what he’s got with 3:14 left in the fourth quarter of this Clippers/Grizz game.

What is with Al Harrington screwing up in crunch time? Getting ejected last night in the final minutes of the game really wasn’t smart.

It’s official: I’ve added Pops Mensah-Bonsu to my list of guys that make me happy to watch. He’s just loving life and kicking ass and has all of Toronto absolutely in love with him. It’s fun.

I have to admit, I missed the retiring of Zo’s number. Yikes. I probably also missed the tears that would inevitably go along with that. Sorry but, I needed a timeout with my roommate and I missed it. And, by timeout, I mean a coffee break that was wonderful, not a timeout like, in trouble timeout. May not have mentioned it lately, but I am so lucky to have many amazing people in my life.

Besides the timeout from the world with my roommate, I had lunch with a college friend that turned into a three hour affair and then spent a piece of the evening with one of my most favorite people in the world. Not a lot of basketball, but it was still a wonderful day. Hope you all have a great one today.

ps. How are the Cavs really first in the league? I see this every day and don’t believe it sometimes.

Moving away from the NBA for a moment, I had my Cuse love challenged yesterday because there was no mention of their season-ending game against Oklahoma. Let me tell you, I was buried in the media gondola watching the game on my laptop at the ACC in-between the Raptors/Thunder contest last Friday. My heart was breaking for the boys in Orange and then I was gutted when Flynn stepped in for the charge against Blake and instead got run over and landed hard on his back.

I thought his night was over and that the Orange were done. He came back and played the second half, the Orange made a late run, but it was over. Props go to Blake Griffin and his squad for that game (and then to UNC for dethroning them), but my champions are Syracuse and nothing will change that.

Also, that Villanova/Pitt game was one of the best tourney games we’ll probably see this season. That was wild. When Dixon went down into what was basically a split with a guy on either leg, yeooooch. Talk about painful. And the guy came back to play! I didn’t expect that.

Also, Kemba Walker. Love that. A rookie scoring a career-high in a tourney game. Fantastic.

This night has flown by and I don’t know where the missing hours have gone. The Nets played the Bucks and they kind of forgot to show up. Honestly. Down 19 after one, down THIRTY at the half, the Nets lost to the Bucks, 107-78. It was ugly. Really ugly. Devin Harris and Vince Carter combined for 19 points on 6-22 shooting. Richard Jefferson had 29 points and 10 rebounds to lead the Bucks as Charlie Villanueva added 20 and Joe Alexander had 16 off of the bench. Chris Douglas-Roberts scored 14 for the Nets and Brook Lopez scored 10 points to go with 10 rebounds.

With a 101-95 victory over the Heat, Dwight Howard grabbed his 5,000th career rebound, becoming the youngest to reach the milestone. The Heat had retired Alonzo Mourning’s number prior to the game but Howard was the man of the night, finishing with 22 points to go with this 18 rebounds as the Magic continue to hold onto the number two spot in the Eastern Conference as the season winds down. A three from Rashard Lewis sealed the victory for Orlando in the final minutes. Lewis finished with 21 points as Hedo Turkoglu added 16. The Heat were led by Dwyane Wade’s 42 points, but they weren’t enough.

The Jazz survived a late run by the Knicks to hang on for the 112-05 victory last night. In the final minutes Al Harrington was ejected in the final seconds as the Knicks came back from a 24-point fourth quarter deficit to briefly go ahead by one. With his team trailing by six, 22 seconds on the clock, Harrington again showed bad judgment as he argued with officials and was thrown out of the game, setting up Kyle Korver for two free throws that extended the Jazz lead and sunk the Knicks. Before the ejection, Harrington had 24 points (but 8 turnovers), as David Lee scored 21 points to go with 10 rebounds and Wilson Chandler added 14. The Jazz received a 24-point, 13-assist night from Deron Williams, while Carlos Boozer had 21 points and 11 boards and Ronnie Brewer scored 17.

Speaking of that Golden State/Memphis game, the Grizzlies pulled out the victory, taking down the shorthanded (nine men in uniform), Warriors, 114-109. They were down by nine in the final quarter before coming back by outscoring Golden State 37-25 in the period. OJ Mayo had 24 points and a career-high 10 assists, Rudy Gay and Mike Conley scored 21 points apiece and Hakim Warrick added 16 off of the bench. Monta Ellis scored 29 points for the Warriors as Jamal Crawford had 22 points and Kelenna Azubuike added 14 in the loss.


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  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Nice Post Up Holly, thank god OJ got 24 and 10 tonight, hopefully this takes him out of his slump.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    I’m thinking about catching my first tourney action this saturday. Turns out the whole thing gets broadcasted here in NL.. dammit. And Holly, Haddadi scored 10 points in less than how many minutes?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Hisham, I noticed that error too, I thought Holly was tellign us that Haddadi had 10/8 in less than a minute. The Iranian Wilt Chamberlain!

  • Manumaniac

    Or the Iranian T-MAC!(remember those 13 points in 33 seconds against Spurs)

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    That was like, twenty years ago, Manumaniacs! At least it feels like twenty years ago.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Kobe…LeBron…Michael…

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    TAD starting things off early.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Haha that actually has a nice ring to it, Juk

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    In reality, how much Hamed Hadaddi and Pops Mensah-Bonsu can we discuss?

  • Manumaniac

    T-MAC probably feels the same.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Don’t hate, TAD! The people with the big names are on their way to actually becoming big names!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ok…..um…so, Mike Conley appears to be living up to his potential lately.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    the website won’t allow me to write Gregor F u c k a. Remember him? coolest weird name ever

  • The Last Kings Fan

    Vlade’s retirement tonight….

  • http://www.bbaxn.com Darksaber

    how cool was that Pops-Dunk two nights ago in chicago? He thrashed it in, and practicaly walked out of the station in one fluid motion. All with the glowering look on his face. Loved the ‘tude.

  • http://www.bbaxn.com Darksaber

    Dwight got to 5K Rodmans faster than the Stilt? Is this for real? Goodness!

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Dark, it’s because he started out a couple years younger than Wilt. He won’t match his total amount when his career is over. Not even close

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Dark: what do you mean by Rodman faster than the Stilt?

  • Si

    “The Jazz survived a late run by the Knicks to hang on for the 112-05 victory last night”

    Damn those pesky Jazz winning by 107! :D

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Not that 5000 rebs isn’t impressive at this young age!! Make no mistake about that. Dwight Howard is a monster

  • Si

    He means getting 5k more rebounds (see: Rodmans) than Wilt (see: Stilt)

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Jukai, he named the rebounds ‘Rodmans’, as in he got 5000 Rodmans

  • The Last Kings Fan

    It took Dwight 300-some games to get to 5000 while it took Wilt just over 150 or something. But Dwight is stil younger than Stilt was at that time.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    There are some guys that makes you think that there’s way more than talent that comes into play for having a career in the L when you’re not a star. How does a guy like Pops struggle to get a job when Mark Blount and Calvin Booth have had 10 year careers?! / Holly, how are they first? I think you know the answer.

  • http://www.bbaxn.com Darksaber

    oh. Ok, more games + younger start equals faster to 5000 Rebounds (sorry, Juks). Thanks for clarifying slammers. A questionable new record if there ever was one.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Dark, it’s still impressive, since Moses Malone, KG, or anyone else that came out of high school wasn’t able to get that many boards at such a young age. It’s just that the comparison to Chamberlain is a little unfair

  • http://www.bbaxn.com Darksaber

    i agree His Ham (sorry, can’t get it out of my head. Damn you BET)

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    That’s the way things will be. Lebron will break all the ‘youngest’ scoring titles and Dwight will break all the ‘youngest’ rebounding titles. Unless the High School record is taken away, these things will never be broken.

  • ENDS

    Dwight wants to rebound and before he became this Superman who wants to score he had no problem grabbin’ boards all day, The difference Between him and some of these other Centers.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Is Dwight Howard in the top-20 pantheon of legendary centers yet? That generated a lot of conversation last time.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Jukai, I have no problem with people breaking records like that. For one, it is very impressive to be that young and start out as such a force in a man’s league. Kobe is currently leading the “youngest” to 15.000, to 20.000, etc, but Lebron will smash those, because Kobe started out averaging single digits in his first (2?) seasons, and way below 20 in his first 3 or 4 (excuse me if i’m mistaken, because i did NOT research those stats, this is just off the top of my head). Kids that young dominating the NBA is pretty good

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Since when was “Youngest To Reach X” an important record? Its so obviously tied to what age you start playing in the L. It seems like it would be more fruitful to discuss “Fastest to Reach X” in terms of games played. ESPN hypes this stuff to make it sound like a historical achievemnet. Its not. It took Dwight almost exactly TWICE AS MANY GAMES to get to 5k boards. (Dwight 299 Wilt 158)

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Maybe these records should have an asterisk though, i don’t know. But they should definitely not be taken away. The next generation will break ‘Youngest Player Who Was Not Drafted Out Of High School To…’ records

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    You have a point, ciolkstar, but are you really not impressed by a player getting certain achievements at a very young age?

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    And no, it is not an important record. But, to me, still an impressive one. OK this is getting pretty redundant now, sorry

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Wilt was a phenom. No one will ever average what he did ever again. It is silly to compare anyone to his averages.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    It’s scary to think just how good Wilt was. I mean, even in the 70s he was averaging 20 rebounds!

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    true, TAD

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I guess its impressive, I just don’t think its significant. Its also sort of misleading. I think comparing across generations is foolish anyway. I mean does anyone think Wilt could get those numbers if he was coming out of college this season, or even in, say 1995? Probably not. To me the only records like that should matter are single season and career. Although, “Fastest” (in terms of game played)to reach a certain milestone can be used accurately. The guys who were able to come in out of HS could break the career records if they are able to sustaion for a long period of time, THAT (IMO)would valid historically.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I guess its impressive, I just don’t think its significant. Its also sort of misleading. I think comparing across generations is foolish anyway. I mean does anyone think Wilt could get those numbers if he was coming out of college this season, or even in, say 1995? Probably not. To me the only records like that should matter are single season and career. Although, “Fastest” (in terms of game played)to reach a certain milestone can be used accurately. The guys who were able to come in out of HS could break the career records if they are able to sustaion for a long period of time, THAT (IMO)would be valid historically.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Ciolkstar: on a funny sidenote, Wilt claimed he could average 70 points in the 80s because the league had become so filled with talent, he wouldn’t have been tripled and quadrouple teamed coming down every play.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Dwight!!

  • http://mynameinblue@blogspot.com Hisham

    Good points ciolkstar. I agree

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Neither Chamberlain nor Russell ever averaged below 18 rpg in a single season. Which is insane, even given the preposterous pace and poor percentages and preponderance of puny players. In order for Dwight to join them in the 20k rebounds club (they’re the only two to even top 18,000), he’d have to average 16+ boards a game for 15+ seasons. At his current pace, he’ll have to play Chief/Kareem years.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Hey, another great Dwight rebounding fact: Dwight’s faster milestone is put into more perspective when you learn that Wilt Chamberlain was just 60 DAYS FREAKING YOUNGER THAN DWIGHT WHEN HE FIRST JOINED THE LEAGUE!!! I want you to think about that.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Just for fun: Dwight’s averaging 14 rpg this season. He averaged 14.2 boards last year. He’s already played 71 games this year, so let’s give him 10 more games of 14 per. That would give him 5,147 rebounds at the end of the year. At 14 rpg, he’ll need 13 more seasons to get to 20,000—presuming he plays all 82 games every year. So all he has to do to join Wilt and Russ is maintain his current average and remain in perfect health until he’s 36.

  • https://twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    So apparently Rodman still has an alcohol addiction. In 2009.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Jukai: And Wilt averaged 37.6 points and 27.0 rebounds as a 23-year-old rookie. (Of course he also averaged 32.1 FGAs a game.) Somehow I think Wilt would have gotten to 5,000 boards just as fast had he been able to join the L at 18.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    You know what’s scary, Russ? I’m not sold on Howard NOT averaging 14 a game ’til 36. His body was MADE for basketball. No body fat. The athletic trainers are better now. He’ll just ask a trade to PHX once he hits 30 and it’s all good.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    It’ll be interesting to keep tabs on for sure, but 20,000 boards is crazy. Kareem played until he was 70, took care of his body better than anyone, and he didn’t even make it to 18k.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    If those percentages are correct, I can’t see Dwight achieving 20,000 regardless of what shape he is in. It is crazy to think of the circus numbers Wilt and Russell used to average.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Yeah, Wilt’s stats are basically untouchable, and absolutely mindboggling when you look at em up close. Dwight could turn out to be the best rebounder of this generation, but chances are he doesn’t sniff 18 or 20K. All this talk really makes me wonder what Wilt would’ve put up in the modern era. I mean, those are literally “video game numbers”, and just not possible nowadays. I’m not saying he couldn’t be the best big in the game if he played today (Honestly, I have no clue) but it really seems like the context in which those number were acheived will make it impossible for anyone to ever come close to them again. Which is fine.

  • http://www.nba.com/suns Dacre

    Does anyone know about the percantages of these stats…by that I mean – What percentage of the whole teams rebounds was Wilt getting…? 95-98 percent? Generally if Dwight is having a 20 rebound night it usually works out to be about 50% of the teams rebound figures….or so I postulate. Anyone know…?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Dwight is a great rebounder, but apparently Jukai’s dumb @ss thinks Tony Parker is more worthy an MVP candidate. Shows how much of an idiot he is.
    No wonder Tarzan Cooper chooses to ignore this pr!ck.

  • chintao

    Seems like Holly is getting caught-up in life. Good for you, girl. Also, thanks for continuing to rep the Orange. Wait ’til next year….

  • https://twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Thank you Bobcats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    You guys are awesome sauce.

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