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Friday, March 13th, 2009 at 8:59 am  |  202 responses

The Post Up: Epic Orange

Three hours and 46 minutes of Madness.

by: Holly MacKenzie

Before I begin, I need to apologize. I don’t know what to do right now. I am so happy and tired and jacked up and overwhelmed and bewildered and drunk off of Syracuse love.

Final score, Syracuse 127, UCONN 117 6OT.

Yes, SIX overtimes.

I honestly cannot remember the last time I felt like this. I’m like KG when something good happens and he looks drunk out of his mind. That’s what I feel like.

I know this is an NBA recapping column. It is also a basketball column. SLAM is basketball.

Last night, the Lakers defeated the Spurs and the Cavs took down the Suns, but my heart, eyes, ears and mind were focused solely on one thing: Syracuse vs. UCONN.

If you did not see this game, I feel for you. It was the gutsiest performance I’ve seen from two teams in a really, really, really long time.

I knew I loved Flynn and these boys, but I didn’t expect tears to come as this game was winding down and the players started celebrating, struggling to even stand up. Yup. I know.

Okay. I’m going to break this down with stats and facts, because I’m not sure I can even string paragraphs together coherently right now. Then hopefully I will have calmed down enough to fill you in on the NBA. Oh yeah, I’ve got shootaround tomorrow a.m. @ 10. That should be fun.

Try to stick with me here.

Eight players fouled out in this game – four from each team.

Syracuse played the night before, defeating Seton Hall 89-74. In that game, Jonny Flynn and Eric Devendorf each played 35 minutes, Paul Harris clocked 25 minutes and Andy Rautins had 28. (Importance being, UCONN was rested, Cuse was not).

Three players logged 60-plus minutes of action, that’s ridiculous. Flynn played a game-high 67 minutes; Devendorf and UCONN’s AJ Price each had 61.  That means Flynn had played over 100 minutes in less than 24 hours. And he will be playing some more as Syracuse plays against West Virginia tonight at 9 p.m. ET.

Cuse guard Justin Thomas played 7 minutes, which isn’t that remarkable, until you realize that Thomas averaged 2.3 minutes per game this season, all in garbage time. This was a win that came from digging deep.

Way back at the end of regulation, a broken play on Cuse’s final possession ended up with Devendorf shooting a three at the buzzer, draining it to give Cuse the 74-71 victory. Devo jumps on the scorer’s table, his teammates flock him, the crowd is going crazy. The #20 team has just taken down the #4 team.

Or have they? After the refs went through replay after replay, they waved the shot off and we went into overtime.

Imagine how emotionally draining that must have been; to think you’ve won the game, to be celebrating with your teammates, with all that weight off your shoulders, only to realize that shot was no good and you’ve got to go back to battle for another five minutes. Another five minutes that ultimately stretches into 30.

In the first five overtimes, Syracuse never held a lead.  Not once. Yet overtime after overtime, they found a way to tie it up and prolong their chances to win.

After going down six in the third overtime, they came back. Fourth overtime, they came back, same as the fifth. In the sixth, it was Andy Rautins who knocked down a three to give the Orange their first lead since regulation – about two hours before.

That shot was a back-breaker for the Huskies. Cuse kept pushing and found a way to outscore UCONN 17-7 in the final five minutes of the 70-minute contest.

I know a lot of people are probably going to say the game was sloppy and downright bad in the final overtimes, but that doesn’t matter to me. What matters is the grit, the guts, the love and desire that these guys showed last night. From both teams.

When shots clanged off the rim, when guys couldn’t get their legs under them to go up for a rebound, I reveled in it, rather than rolled my eyes. Because I know they’ve given everything. Emotionally and physically, every ounce of them is on that floor.

I’m not a person who will compare the college game to the NBA, because I love them both separately and for different reasons. But during the tournament, there is something so special, so sacred about these guys playing their hearts out, for each other and for the love of the game.

And that’s what it was all about last night. Even when cramps set in, fatigue had come and gone six times over and guys were physically unable to stand up during any extended stoppage of play, still the light shines bright, and it is the most beautiful light a true basketball fan can ever hope to see.

Running on fumes, playing solely on heart – and it’s just the quarterfinals of the Big East Tournament.

It was one for the ages and perhaps, the best game I’ve ever seen.

Tell me, what were the most amazing performances you’ve ever seen? Not necessarily a playoff game or championship clinching game, but just the gutsiest performance by an individual or team, NBA or NCAA.

This one ended up reminding me of MJ in game five, Bulls/Jazz ’97. I know, these guys were not sick, they are not the greatest ever, and it wasn’t an NBA finals game, but the looks on their faces made me pause and think of MJ and then I felt thankful all over again.

I love this game!

Okay, now, onto the NBA action:

Bron with another triple-double. MVP?

Chris Webber thinks so and can I just say, it is so wonderful to have him join the guys on Inside. He’s fantastic as an analyst.

JRich attempting to do a 360 dunk in the fourth Q of a close game in Phx? To quote Russ, “If he played for San Antonio, he’d be dead right now.” Yeah, I don’t think Pop would take to well to that.

Okay. Thanks for  sticking with me. I know I kind of hijacked my column here today. I’ll try to stay on topic from here on out. I was told I had too much of the Lakers yesterday. Well, here’s an overdose of Orange Crush. Just for today, anyway. They deserve it.

And, if UCONN is your team, sorry about the extended Cuse love, be proud of your team, those guys, every single one of them, were amazing.

One more note on Cuse; I thought Paul Harris was going to dislocate his shoulder or at the very least, damange his rotator cuff when he attempted a dunk in the sixth OT (I think it was the sixth), and was rejected by the rim, badly. He ended up getting his own rebound though, and finishing with an and-1.

What a wild night of basketball.

LA Lakers 102 San Antonio 95

The Lakers took down the Spurs in San Antonio 102-95, thanks to a blistering hot opening quarter that saw the Lakers go up 35-17 after the first 12 minutes of action. While the Lakers would cool down and the Spurs would finally settle into an offensive rhythm somewhere around the middle of the third quarter (thanks to Tony Parker, finally getting into a groove), it was ultimately too late for San Antonio who killed themselves with their free throws. San Antonio outscored LA 32-25 in the third and had what was an 18-point lead cut down to single digits for the start of the fourth. They would continue to get close, as close as two, but every time they had a chance to get closer, they’d miss a free throw. For the game, the Spurs shot just 8-16 from the line while LA was solid at 12-15.  Down the stretch, the Lakers were just a little too efficient for the Ginobili-less Spurs, despite a season-high 25 points from Michael Finley. Parker also finished with 25 to go with 9 assists as Tim Duncan scored 16 points, 11 rebounds and 5 assists. The Lakers were led by Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol who each scored 23 points while Gasol also added 11 boards and Lamar Odom added 12 points and 10 rebounds.

Cleveland 119 Phoenix 111

Almost ten years to the day since the last time they won in Phoenix, LeBron James led the Cavs to victory in Phoenix, delivering the Suns their sixth straight loss. While the Cavs led 63-62 at the half and the game was close throughout, the Suns faded fast in the fourth as Cleveland outscored them 30-18. A crucial point of the game was during a breakaway when Jason Richardson opted for the 360-dunk. LeBron has been challenged by the Cavs coaching staff to get the “chase down” block on guys who are in the open court and last night he did just that, stopping JRich’s dunk attempt and firing up the Cavs in the process. From there, the Cavs were able to stretch their lead and go on to the victory. Besides his block, Bron also finished with yet another triple-double. He’s wild. He finished with 34 points, 10 rebounds and 13 assists, adding 3 steals and 3 blocks as well. Mo Williams added 30 points and Sasha Pavlovic added 16 off of the bench as the Cavs connected on 17 three pointers as compared to only four for the Suns. Matt Barnes led the Suns with 21, Steve Nash had 20 points and Grant Hill added 15 in the loss.

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  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Holly, I’m really glad you took a moment to talk about one of the most amazing games in NCAA history. Johnny Flynn will be a Post-Up fixture once he gets to the League next season. I’m convinced of it. Oh, and that Lakers/Spurs game… that was dope too!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    love it. Long ass game. Props to LIVEBLOG extraordinaire Joey Whelan for covering it all so well yesterday. last night, for at least one day, NCAA basketball was better than NBA basketball.

  • http://Where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    Good morning Holly and Ryne. What a night!

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Greatest NCAA game I’ve ever watched, seriously

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I went to sleep after the 3rd OT. Stupid me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    I seriously think that game had a SLEW of NBA future players. Kemba Walker, AJ Price, Dyson, Adrien, Thabeet, possibly Stanley Robinson there are the UCONN ones. And then you have Jonny Flynn definitely, Eric Devendorf Definitely, Paul Harris Definitely… That’s an absurd amount of talent.

  • thesubwayconnection

    GO ORANGE.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Harris nearly had a 30-20, didn’t he? Dude’s way better than I ever thought. Thabeet only had 19-14 or something, that’s pitiful, that dude is 7’3. It went into six overtimes. He should have had Chamberlain numbers!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Stanley Robinson had 28 and 14 for UCONN

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I honestly don’t think it had that much NBA talent.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    You honestly think Devendorf is a definite NBA talent?? Hmmm, not sure of that myself.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    TAD, Thabeet, Flynn, Walker will all be first rounders either this year or next. Devendorf, Price, Dyson, Harris, Robinson are second rounders. Dyson was hurt of course but still. And even Rautins, a Cuse shooter could get drafted a year or two down the road, he’s like Steve Novak.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    TAD, most of them will be 2nd rounders, but they’ll make a squad. IDK how much of an NBA career they will have but that’s not what I’m trying to say.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Justin, you’re overexaggerating a bit. They may all get drafted, but will any of the second rounders (outside of Price and Harris) get any playing time outside of the D League? Will Thabeet?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Damn, you posted your 9:25 comment before I sent my 9:26 comment in. Okay, well then. Thabeet still sucks.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Besides Thabeet, Flynn and Walker. I don’t see anyone getting drafted. Maybe Price. Maybe.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I hear you Justin. Honestly, if there is THAT much talent, how is it that they even lose? I know, i know…it is college kids and all. I see Thabeet, Price, Flynn, and Walker all making it. Outside of that, i’m thinking some may get a late 2nd round sniff or get an undrafted free agent contract and play a few years in the D-League.

  • Sam from school

    Hi Holly! I stayed up to watch… then I taught a class at 8:05. It was not my most energetic performance. THat game was amazing!!!!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Thabeet is a lottery pick, regardless of my opinion. Price is this years Chalmers to NBA scouts. Stanley Robinson is playing very well for a player who was given a suspension by Calhoun and told to work in a f*cking factory 12 hours a day and not be a student for a semester. Robinson next year will really come into fruition. Adrien to me is going to be very similar to JJ Hickson to me. Kemba Walker is a freshman who’s playing better in the backcourt than any frosh outside of Willie Warren and Isaiah Thomas. Dyson will be a second rounder, even if he might not deserve it- these scouts seem to love drafting role players from loaded teams with NBA talent (The Florida Team with Noah, Horford, Brewer and that other guy nobody remembers, the KU teams that get 3-4 draftees every few years but only produce 1 player of any talent, or this year where FIVE players are drafted, and realistically only 3 will ever play. Look, these players will get drafted. Some will deserve it, a few wont. But it will happen.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    how does UCONN lose to a ranked team? How did the 2004-2005 UNC tarheels lose to unranked barely even a team Santa Clara in Oakland California on a now irrelevant channel called CSTV? They had Sean May, Rashad McCants, Raymond Felton, Marvin Williams ALL drafted in that year. And other contributers on the roster? Rayshaun Terry & David Noel. They had all that and lost to Santa Clara. Even though they won the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP against Illinois which had Deron Williams, Luther Head, D. Brown, all who made NBA rosters. Look, it happens.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I missed it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    and TAD, hopefully you know I’m only answering in such depth to explain my answer to what you asked me and why i dont feel I’m overstating things- not trying to b*tch and moan or anything man. respect.

  • Jer boi

    CUSE BABY!

    flynn is the MAN. wow he played his heart out, (as did every1 else) but he was frikin amazing.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Devendorf will play in the league. Teams need ball handling and clutch shooting. He has both.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    I really hate baseball.

  • reggie haters

    Justin, hate to break it to you my friend, but you are wrong. No way everyone you mentioned gets drafted. Lets not get ahead of ourselves now because there was a great 6 overtime game last night.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I think people just expected more from devendorf. But I will say this johnny flynn is the best of all the people justin named.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    I remember Chris Richard.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Justin, i’m used to you giving in-depth answers. No worries.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Reggie, I am willing to bet that everyone i mentioned, with the exception of possibly Dyson gets drafted at some point. I’m not saying they deserve it, remember that. I said that GM’s always do this, they draft lottery on potential and the star power, they draft the second round on your upperclassmen winners and international talent. And this year, the international options are thinner than most years outside of about 4 people, two will be lottery (Brandon Jennings, Ricky Rubio), one that probably wont enter his name into the draft for another year, and another that will be late first early second. this year, with a weak draft class, and next year with another fairly weak draft class, you will see these older juniors and seniors from the highly touted schools being drafted because this draft and the next one will be weak. after that, it’s going to be loaded.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I also agree with Shia. I think all of us expected more from Devendorf. Is this his 4th or 5th year at Cuse?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Yeah, we expected more from him, but at the same time, I watch him and see him as a second rounder who will get drafted, much like those white KU and DUKE guards get drafted regardless of if they should. I just see Devendorf getting drafted.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I wonder how much juice the Cuse players will have left in their legs for tonights 9 pm game against West Virginia. I know Flynn HAS to be sore.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    The draft is still two rounds right?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I also wonder if Joey Whelan has anyone coming off the bench for him? Carpel Tunnel has to be setting in at this point.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    and let’s not get it twisted, we expected more from Lawson and Green and Hansbrough and Ellington- don’t forget, ALL of these cats were “omg first rounders after one year”… Instead, they just didn’t show that NBA skillset. Lawson is going down as a great college guard, Ellington is just so inconsistent, Hansbrough is the ultimate college player that just wont transition to the NBA, and Danny Green UNTIL this year was a complete disappointment.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    He might be one of those guys that becomes a better pro player than he was a college player. He has all the tools, size for a 1 if he plays there, wingspan good shot and ball handling. I don’t know about his passing or fundamental defense but he should be better than those duke type guys that justin mentioned.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    I’m not a fan of how the talent Duke produces translates to the NBA. K makes great COLLEGE players, and with exception to Elton Brand, Carlos Boozer, Cory Maggette…They don’t give much.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m thinking Danny Green might be the best player on that UNC team as far as talent relating to the NBA.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Walsh, I’ve been hearing a lot of talk about Rubio’s agent lobbying hard for Ricky to be in this year’s draft. Draft express said it was 50/50. Wouldn’t be surprised to see his name there.
    Is anyone else immensely disapointed in Thabeet like myself? Dude is ALMOST reaching his potential for defense, but offensively, he’s still awful, and the dude REALLY NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO REBOUND. I don’t know if he’s bad at boxing out or if he’s being bullied or if he just doesn’t try. I don’t watch many UCONN games, but his numbers just don’t add up.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    TAD, you could be right, but you could be totally off. Danny Green is the biggest example of RISK in a draft. He could be the next Danny Granger. Or he could be the next Ed Obannon.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    TAD:Ellington?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    What’s the real story with Robinson? I don’t buy the whole tardiness to class thing. It doesn’t seem like enough to suspend a guy for a semester and revoke his scholarship. / BTW, Calhoun seems to recruit a lot of guys with baggage. Just saying.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Justin:Since he’ll most likely be a second round pick,he’s not much a risk.I think his game translates better to the NBA anyway.He’ll find a place.Good role player to have.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ellington is good, but I just see so much more potential in Green to be really good. Too bad he doesn’t seem to be aware of it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Izzo, even if it’s a second round pick, it’s a risk. A team only has 2 picks in a draft 99% of the time excluding trade deals for picks….and if you have 2 picks, and in a WEAK draft class, your lottery might not have as much impact as most lottery classes would. so you hope you have a solid pick for your second rounder. Green could either be a Granger or an Obannon. And he might be a first rounder. Players have shot up in the draft before after workouts and nba meetings and whatnot.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    and Izzo, Ellington is SO underwhelming, probably the most underwhelming guy in the past 5 years for his size and his perceived ability. He’s more underwhelming to me than Chase Budinger or Earl Clark.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Whoa whoa WHOA Walsh. Let’s not go that far. I was a huge Budinger fan until he out underwhelmed me this year.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Guys, be patient with Thabeet. Bigs that didn’t grow up playing ball take time. He has shown steady improvement with his offensive abilities (6, 11 and 14 ppg), he’s a good rebounder (11) that’ll improve once he gets more balance and maybe another 10-15 pounds and we all know about the tremendous D. He’s a sureshot. No bust in him. At the very worst, I expect 10-12 and 3 blocks from him in the league.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    There’s no such thing as a risk in the second round.Risk means there has to be some expectation attached.Any production from a player drafted in the second round is a bonus,most end up not being signed or being in Europe within a year.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Jukai, most scouts evaluaters and sports writers (including me) have been underwhelmed since day one Jukai.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Izzo, there is risk in any draft pick. especially in this economy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    and Izzo, if GM’s dont take it seriously, that’s the problem. They need to be 100% dead serious about every pick. The draft is a big efn deal.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Budinger is a weird case. The numbers look good. BUT, you just get the feeling that he’s not built for this. I don’t see the tenacity in him. Hate to be pessimistic, but I expect him to have a very long career on NBA benches.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    “perceived ability”=Potential.Guys who can’t spell basketball get drafted on that alone.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    I know Izzo, I’m not trying to preach to you, the choir about it. Just trying to remind some people that Devendorf isn’t the only one here.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Reading last year’s second round picks is depressing.The second round is unnecessary.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    You know who I think may be one of the better players coming out that no one is really talking about? Jerel McNeal from Marquette.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Tell Manu and Arenas that, Izzo

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Izzo, that’s untrue. The second round gets SOLID players when the GM’s take the second round SERIOUSLY. The issue is when GM’s are feeling so happy that they draft a player they know wont make a roster (like international players who are 19, not ready for the nba in the next 3 years, have no want to go from euroleague & Fiba to the NBA).

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    All we need is Cub to drop on in, and we could talk college all day.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    TAD, I’m in such a NCAA mood right now.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ok, who are the #1 seeds? UNC, Louisville, Memphis, and ???

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Oklahoma lost, Pitt lost, and i’m not sold on Duke.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Michigan State as a darkhorse?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Memphis is not, I repeat not a number one seed.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    UNC, Louisville, Michigan State if they win the Big10, Pitt is still a number one I think…I mean they were the TOP number one seed before the loss. I just don’t think you drop all the way down to a 2 after that. And let’s remember, UCONN lost to Syracuse in that Gerry Macnamera invitational and was still a 1 seed.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    How could Memphis NOT be a number 1 seed? They went undefeated. Weak conference or not, you gotta reward them. I’d be shocked if Memphis wasn’t there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Gotta reward them? Their conference isn’t just weak, this year it’s probably the weakest it’s been in the past few years. Look at their out of conference schedule- in other words look at the out of conference games that were not against barely D1 and D1-AA teams… Lost to Xavier, lost to Georgetown, lost to Syracuse. They beat 2 teams worth anything in my eye- Tennessee and Gonzaga. Both teams are 2 of the bigger disappointments this year. Everyone talks about how they haven’t lost since Evans went to the point. They also haven’t played anyonce since then.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Yeah, I suppose UConn could still be a #1. It is not like Syracuse is a patsy team. I’m thinking Oklahoma drops to a 2 seed. Pitt may still be a #1 as well, but that loss yesterday was pretty ugly. I think that outside of UNC and Louisville, there are no definite # 1′s.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    and Jukai, you don’t have to record a team for going undefeated in an extremely weak conference with a ONE SEED. You do give them a seed, if they are worth it, you do give them a high seed, but you don’t justify one seed just because they beat a conference with your second best team being TULSA. Sorry, just doesn’t fly for me.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    All good points, Justin, but lemme tell ya, Memphis is still number 1. They’re a great school in a weak conference, but they’re still a great school.
    UNC, Louisville, Memphis, UCONN, top seeds.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    reward*. Here’s the C-USA…Memphis, then Tulsa, then UAB, then HOUSTON, then UTEP, UCF, and it gets more “i didn’t know they were D1″ from then on. It’s one of the weakest conferences in the country to me. Not just weak.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Jukai:Do you think that Manu and Arenas wouldn’t have ended up in the NBA if there was only a one round draft?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Jukai, no offense, but Pitt was the TOP #1 seed before that loss. They were a higher one than louisville, UNC and UCONN before that loss. If Uconn stays a number one, by the transitive property so does pitt. I see Memphis being the top 2 seed.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I thought UNC was #1 overall? The graphic I saw yesterday had Pitt #2 overall.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Izzo- do you realize the stigma of not being drafted? Arenas not being drafted if there was only one round would have even more RISK to his name *even if it was unwarrented*. Izzo, I don’t think you realize how much politicized stigma there is to a GM trying to justify having a nondrafted free agent be better than a draft pick they picked.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Pitt to most was the number 1 overall seed, then UNC then UCONN then Oklahoma. Then everything went to hell.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Justin: I thought UNC was the top seed before the loss (maybe they were top seed afterwards) but yeah, by that logic, you are right. I don’t know, I think yer downplayin’ Memphis here, buddy. But you could be right. Time’ll tell.
    Izzo: It’s entirely possible that they would never have the confidence or chance to develop into the players they are today because of the lack of second round. But to answer your question directly, no, I don’t.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Memphis, I don’t think I’m downplaying them, I think I’ve looked at all the accumulative data *not just Memphis’ record and winning their conference, you have to take into account the rest of the country* and I see ‘em as the top 2 seed. But look, you don’t have to be the number one seed to get to the final four- George Mason proved that, and that’s the extreme example. Never have all number 1 seeds get to the final four ever.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Justin: Except, you know, last year.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Justin:I have no comeback for politicized stigma,you win.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    haha, sorry Jukai, you’re right. But one time doesn’t disprove my point. Gosh my head is scatterbrained. I was going through old articles through previous final fours, read that fact in reference to ESPN thinking Nate Robinson/Brandon Roy’s Washington didn’t deserve the number one seed it got…And didn’t even think about last year, hahah

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Ellington reminds me of another 6’4 carolina guard any guesses?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Jukai:I’m talking have one round to keep some ‘talent parity’ and then whoever wants to can sign the best of the rest.If not else,it would make scouts earn their money.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Izzo, I do get your reasoning that many times 2nd rounders are pointless, but that’s less because of lack of talent and more because of GM’s wasting draft picks. I don’t think I win, I just think I understand what your saying, but feel the REASON by what your point is based on is wrong.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Haha, it’s cool man, yesterday I did the exact same thing. I hinted Lebron would win both the regular season and finals MVP, saying he’d get a ‘trifecta’ of MVPs that only Shaq, Reed, and Jordan have done. I totally forgot that Lebron won it LAST YEAR and Shaq/Kobe won it this year.
    But yeah, I say Memphis gets first seed, but if they get second seed, my world wont be blown.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    if nothing else*

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Bryan- are there any other guards that have a great release but miss the shot if they are one degree off center or just a SLIGHT bit unbalanced? Are there any other streaky streaky shooters UNC has had in the past decade? Idk…

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    No complaints today Holly. Wow 6 overtimes and the Cuse edging it out (one of my two favorite NCAA teams, Tar Heels being the other) I wish we got NCAA broadcasts around here, must have been a blast.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    6 OT’s? Holy crap! Was that some kind of record?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Jukai, I actually think Memphis being a two seed would make a better tournament, better ratings better matchups earlier and later in the tourney… I just think it’s better if your two seeds and your one seeds are that loaded. Let’s say the one seeds will be UNC, UCONN, PITT, LOUISVILLE. That means the 2 seeds are Memphis, Oklahoma, Michigan State, Duke. That’s LOADED.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    i saw bits and pieces fo the following games: Georgia Tech – Clemson (ran home and saw the entire thing), NC State – Maryland (vgbamcasdd), Oklahoma – OK State (the last 4 minutes, which is all i needed to see. The shot clock thing was crazy.), and Spurs – Lakers (half time only)

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    It is man. March madness could not come soon enough.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Does anyone have a darkhorse tourney team before the brackets come out? I’m liking Arizona State and Villanova (yes, i’m aware Nova is #10 right now).

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Arizona State woulda been my darkhorse, TAD. Marquette maybe?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Marquette would have been good before they lost Dominic James for the year.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    What is funny is that Bron had his 3rd straight trip-dub and we are actually not talking about it. Crazy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Bron is who we thought he was. Back to NCAA basketball haha

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Justin, who is your darkhorse tourney team?

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Ill say he reminds me of joe forte not in game but in hype. And I don’t think he is as good as joe forte was either and we see what happened to him.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    That is actually a pretty good comparison, Shia. The only difference is that Forte was legitamately loco.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Hmm no a Cuse sidenote, I wonder what Lazarus Sims are doing these days, anyone?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Johnny Flynn is the best (pro prospect)PG in college hoops. I’ve been saying it all year.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    TAD, I think that there are a few teams that could get to the final four IF they get the right matchups. Washington State could do it with the right bracket… I honestly think that Michigan could get to the sweet 16, MAYBE even the elite 8 with the right setup. But a team that I seriously think could get a HUGE upset in the first round? North Dakota State. They have a guard with some Patrick Sparks/Gerry Macnamera scoring prowess that’s going to give the opponent some FITS. I mean some straight facepalmers.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    muy loco.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    ciolkstar, I’m inclined to agree with you.

  • The Seed

    Holly, I read you are a Lakers fan, werid, you keep talking about Lebron and his one man show called the Cavaliers. I will update the readers on Kobe-killing others in big games. As Bryant left the court, a few dozen fans chanted “M-V-P! M-V-P!” in what is usually hostile territory for the Lakers.

    Hill said he was surprised the shot went in.

    “I thought it was pretty good defense,” Hill said. “But it’s Kobe, and he makes great plays. I did the best I could to challenge him and try to push him back out. He’s deadly.”

    Also who cares about UCON and the Orange men, they aren’t going anywhere and Ellington will be a better pro, can shot, dribble and will play a team game with ball hogs, Lawson and Hansbourgh.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    WASHINGTON, NOT WASHINGTON STATE* sorry guys, I’m totally insane right now, brain is going to hell, I did a midterm this morning.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Justin, I know who you are talking about with North Dakota State. His name is Woodson or something?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    I just had to delete a long comment on how crazy Justin Walsh was.Good thing you dropped the ‘State’ part.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    And if Michigan makes it to the Elite Eight, I may just drink myself into a drunken stupor celebrating.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    so, i am the only one in here that thinks Tyler Hansbourgh will adjust his game and be a good NBA player? COOL

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Ben Woodside is the guy,TAD.If Michigan make an elite 8 I’ll…well I’ve already lost one of these bets this year,but I’d be surprised.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    TAD, yes. And TAD, Michigan has the talent to do it because their best players are all playing PHENOMENALLY right now and have a HUGE chip on their shoulder. And next year they will be even BETTER with Darius Morris. Next year they will get 25 wins without blinking. Ranked in the top 15 all year…the whole thing.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Also Ben Woodside had a 60 point game this season that almost nobody talked about.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Devendorf’s the kind of guy who’d punch a girl in the face to get a win. Also, I was hoping to see at least 12 overtimes. So disappointing.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Darius Morris? Looks like I may need to g00gle him. What position is he?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    BET, I seriously don’t see it. Neither do the majority of talent scouts. Neither do the majority of players I’ve spoken to. I just see him play and don’t see any of his best stuff translating. Hell, his numbers are down THIS YEAR from his last 3. His rebounding isn’t as good, neither is his scoring. His best move is that shotput 10 footer off the baseline, and that doesn’t work when you’re 6’9 and don’t have hops. He is already about as physically big as he can possibly get. He’s not going to just pick up 20 pounds of muscle and lose fat rookie year, he’s pretty much the best he’s going to get physically. He’s not a 19 year old Love, with some flub and a lot of potential. This is a guy who was 19 his last year in HS because he was a fifth year guy, he’d be out of his prime as a basketball player by the time he gets out of his first contract (your prime is usually 27-29 for basketball players). Tyler is going to be 25 as a rookie. Let’s say he gets a 4 year rookie contract. When he gets out of his ROOKIE CONTRACT, he will be at the end of his prime. He will be THIRTY already by his second contract.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    TAD, we’ve got videos of him on SLAM, we’ve done mixes of him for Ballislife….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Russ, love the off the court thing about Devendorf, I bet some people wont get that, hah

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    i just see his BBall IQ as so high that he can adjust to anything. He was hitting 3′s in the UNC-Duke game, showing he can shoot. I think he might be good.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    BET:Serviceable?Yes.Good?Probably not.Stranger things have happened.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    BET, he hit 2 uncontested, slowly gathered shots. They were college threes, there wasn’t a defender within 10 feet of him and nobody is going to defend him on the perimeter. He will never have that room in the NBA to shoot for the length of time it took him to shoot that shot. And he can’t speed it up because of the way his shot mechanics are built, he’d have to redo the whole thing. and his IQ isn’t so high that he can adjust to the outrageous level of play in the NBA as opposed to the lack of bigman skills in the ACC.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    So I see, Justin. Well, he is a PG so i’m not sure where he will fit in with Laval Lucas-Perry? However, Sims is a junior and Manny Harris is a soph, so Michigan is starting to build something. Been so long…

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I don’t see it. I hate UNC though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    TAD, he’s better than Lucas-Perry. He’s better than MOST of the PG’s in the BIG10. He’s going to be a contributer & the starter from day one.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Bet , I’m inclined to agree. A star? No but an 11 and 6 guy isn’t impossible.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Hansbrough : Mark Madsen, the remix. His only chance is to spend all summer shooting 3s until his arm falls off. Best-case scenario : he becomes Matt Bonner. Right now, there is nothing he can do at an NBA level except shoot free-throws. He can’t board in the league, can’t defend in the league, can’t create his O in the league, can’t run the break in the league. He’s a guy who maximized his talent at the college level but yeah, that’s about it.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    Tyler is gonna surprise a lot of people in the L. All-Star? No. But I see a decade of putting in solid minutes in the league in his future.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    B. Long, you’ve never been this wrong before. Ever. You are soooo off. Sorry bro.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    No way you just compared this dude to mark madsen come on man. Madsen couldn’t average 20 a game in the rec league much less thea acc.I can see him adjusting and having a haslem like offensive game with less rebounding. Like I said not a star but good enough to get the job done.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Basketball IQ is so overrated. The thing is, the majority of guys in the NBA have strong basketball IQs and the ones who don’t have outstanding skills. A guy like Gerald Green is in and out of the league because he doesn’t understand anything even though he jumps through the roof and has a very nice J. Saying that a baller has a very high baskebtall IQ is like saying that an ugly girl is really sweet. Euphemism for their lack of skills/looks.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Bryan, do you realize how weak the ACC is for bigman play? And his stats are LOWER this year. I promise you he doesn’t have 1/10th the versatility Haslem has. Donnnnt even compare the two.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    But the difference is tyler is actually skilled z. He has good basketball skills , limited athleticism(which I think you guys are overstating) and good basketball brain he’s going to be fine.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Holly, great article. And for the record, there is no such thing as too much Lakers love.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    I was typing the exact same Haslem reference, Bryan.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    the ones who dont COMMA have outstanding skills*

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    B. Long, no. Tyler doesn’t have any athleticism that Haslem has, doesn’t have a midrange jumper that Haslem has, doesn’t have the defensive versatility Haslem has, doesn’t have the speed Haslem has, doesn’t even have the rebounding ability. That’s a horrible comparison.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Bryan, he doesn’t have the skills you are talking about. Break it down. He has a dropstep. He has a 10 foot shotput from the baseline. He hustles for rebounds. THAT’S IT. He has nothing else to bring to the table on offense. Good from FT, sure, but he won’t get that many touches in an NBA game to get to the FT line very often. On defense, he’s not that great at all, especially considering how weak the ACC’s bigmen are overall in the conference. He isn’t as skilled as you’re talking about

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    The guy is more athletic than you think Justin and haslem has no hops or speed either. He catches dump off passes and sticks baseline jumpers all of which hansborough can do. I’m telling when its all said and done he will have a 10-12 point 5-7 rebound seasons in him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    now tell me. Will a 6’9 unathletic post without great footspeed get by on ONE post move of a dropstep in the NBA? no. Will a 6’9 post without very long arms (Hansbrough has short arms) be able to get away with an awkward shotput from 10 feet on the baseline if he can’t get any lift on the shot in the NBA? no. Will he be able to get great rebounds based on his hustle ability? I think Joakim Noah is proof that’s not a sure thing. And if he is a rotation player, he isn’t getting plays called for him, so the majority of his points would be off what rebounds he could get- he isn’t going to get to the FT line ten times a game. And name one power forward in the NBA he can defend competently, much less the centers without that player being able to go off.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Bryan, Haslem has more athleticism and speed than Hansbrough, hansbrough is slow and can’t get off the ground. And Haslem hits baseline jumpers with a high release point and has a great wingspan. Hansbrough’s baseline 10 footer is a shotput from his shoulder with not lift and a bad release point. you dont get away with that in the league.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’m not crazy about Tyler’s skillset. He bullies people on the block and takes some incredible tough shouts. He does have a unique knack for scoring, though. The thing is, he won’t bully anybody in the league and the tough shots are going to be altered or swatted. Usually, when he gets the ball, he wheels and deals until his path is stopped by a defender and then he puts it up. He doesn’t really beat his defender. That’s not going to be there for him in the league. You have to create separation from the defender unless you’re supremely athletic and can just rise up over anybody. / I had the same reservation about Morisson at Gonzaga. Yeah he was scoring, but it was herky-jerky moves til he was stopped by the d and then he would pull up. That’s not there for him in the L.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    I’m leaning toward Justin’s side of the argument, but I do think crazy eyes will be a solid role player in the L. Definitely not a starter… We’ll see how he plays right now. DeMarco should be live blogging the game in a bit.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Joakim Noah is fake hustle. I’ll go to my grave saying that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Joakim Noah in college was PURE hustle, not fake. It looks fake in the NBA because he can’t do it in the NBA and do the same thing. Hansbrough will be the same case.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    What constitutes good athleticism to you guys? Dunking over a 7’6 guy can’t please everybody I guess.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    …a 7’6 guy who can barely move up the floor, has a vert of less than 15 inches, didn’t have his hands up correctly? at some point it’s just getting your hand high enough to dunk and getting it through badly places arms. That dunk was the most overrated dunk in that entire year. Watch Hansbrough he barely gets off the floor on it.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Joakim Noah wasn’t pure hustle at Florida, he was agitated. He’s got decent athleticism and he’s very long, that’s why he was getting boards and blocking shots in college. He’s not a slacker but he wasn’t that relentless either. Sloppy sometimes, even. He would just scream and wiggle his ponytail after the play.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Bryan, what’s more telling is that a 7’6 guy with size was only good enough to go to a barely division one school and got no serious NBA talk even before they amputated half of his foot.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Bryan, he also didnt dunk over him, this isnt VC over Fred Weiss…this is Tyler getting 20 inches off the floor and dunking through outstretched arms. It was weak.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Objectivity is overrated on slamonline(dot)com

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Bryan, let’s move this over to the ACC day 2 liveblog going on. DeMarco is heading it up

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Look, Joakim Noah may never find a spot in the NBA, but he will be a thousand times the NBA player Psycho T is. I expect Psycho T to be in and out of the D-League for 85% of his career.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    This is the most run Psycho T is ever going to get in a postup. Mark Madsen is an accurate comparison…

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    It’s so not fair that the NBA is gonna give the MVP to some guy who just recorded his 3rd straight triple double.
    Oh wait, yes it is.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Anton, that was fantastic

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    Damn, y’all wasted a lot of time talking about college basketball.
    I guess if I watched college basketball, it would have been interesting.
    But, from the little I have seen, Justin is right about Tyler and Jukai is wrong about Thabeet.
    Thabeet is really good on defense and he’s athletic on offense. He’ll be fine in the league.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Allenp in undervaluing white player shocka!

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Allenp: I think he’ll be an above average role player, a below-average to decent starter on a bad team or a valuble reserve on a good team. The thing is, there are people out there (NBADRAFT.NET) who think Thabeet is going to be a star in this league. That ain’t happening.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I still can’t believe ya’ll moterfu*kers are still talking about college ball. Carry on.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh…. and don’t use my boy UD in ANY comparsion to a college forward….that’s just ridiculous.

  • Michael

    Lebron ended the MVp race yesterday.

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    Izzo
    I knew either you or Jukai would say that.
    Am I undervaluing him, or has the national media overvalued him?
    Look at his size and skill set. What true offensive skill has he perfected? At least Madsen was a decent shooter, had good size and was very smart. Tyler doesn’t strike me as particularly smart on the court. He has shown any knowledge of angles or leverage like Love. So, what is he bringing to the table that won’t be neutralized by more athletic defenders and a dearth of foul calls?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jukai, tell me why Thabeet could not be the equivalent of Mutombo? He’ll never score enough to be a star but best believe this guy is gonna get paid 10 mil a year to play basketball. A 7’3 guy with decent coordination above-average athleticism and OUTSTANDING defense. It’s a no brainer. Seriously, who wouldn’t want Thabeet besides the Rockets, the Magic and maybe the Lakers?

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    Eboy
    The Haslem comparison shows how little people watch Haslem.
    Haslem is one of the toughest, most versatile role players in the league.
    He’s the Heat’s most dependable rebounder, defender and mid ranger shooter. I’m a big Haslem fan and Tyler has shown nothing to compare to Haslem in his college career. Well, Tyler hustles. He’s really good at doing that and banging into people.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    Although it is very annoying how the R@pers are always one step ahead in terms of best record in the league.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Jukai, last thing I’ll say in this thread. I HATE NBADRAFTDOTNET. It’s horrible. Their scouting reports are years old on current players and they did an NBA SCOUTING REPORT on jordan hamilton as an eighth grader. that’s disgusting. I can’t stand those people. But I don’t think we should align NBAdraft with Hasheem. Nor DraftExpress for that matter- they are nuts for having Tyreke Evans in the lottery ahead of Demar Derozan. Demar will be a top ten pick lock. Quote me on it not, hold me to it later.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Allenp:To answer your question,both.He’ll be an okay-ish NBA role player.Not that his NBA career should have any effect on how good a college career he had.
    Plus I only wrote that to get you all riled up and whatnot.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Allenp: Hey, whoa whoa, your absolute hatred of all white basketball players notwithstanding, Psycho T sucks and Justin may have been TOO nice on him by saying he’d be riding the benches of the NBA– dude probably wont be in the NBA for very long.
    Z: Everyone wants Thabeet, they’ll just be pissed off when they see what they got. He’s got an NBA ready body, I’m just always disapointed when I watch him. We’ll see.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Allen is smart.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Justin:I agree with you on NBA draft(dot)com.It’s horrible,they even often compare players to other players they look like,not how they play.It’s not just that site though,most scouting sites are horrible.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Haslem lost a ton of weight after college and and remade himself to become a good pro, I don’t even know what exactly, besides improving his range/shooting, Hansbrough could do to make himself a significantly better pro. And Thabeet confuses the hell out of me, I think he gets tired sometimes out there. I could see his maximum efficiency in the L being at around 32-35 minutes, especially if he gets drafted by a team that wants to run. The halfcourt defensive presence he has is really scary though, opposing guards just completely give up on trying to score in the lane when he’s there.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Paul’s Boutique is a great album to listen to while not being able to watch college ball because the North American sports provider decides to shown re-runs(yes re-runs)of some World Baseball Classic game.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Izzo, I know. I’ve had to deal with fans actually thinking SCOUT, RIVALS, NBADRAFT, ESPN RECRUITING and others actually know what the F*** they are talking about. The majority of the actual SCOUTS in the country don’t scout for public services, they scout directly to the schools through private scouting publications with memberships of $250 dollars a pop. Trust me, those public sites are so shoddy. I know more about HS hoops than those fools, including the somewhat respectable Jerry Meyer- he just gets the love because he’s been there forever. I’m sorry I just can’t be okay with it, their shpeal and view of the game is just political and based on selling subscriptions to consumers, therefore rankings always change because it’s exciting- the top 10 players in the country never changing places on the list is boring for a consumer, so they randomly move people around, move a bs player into the top ten, move a bs player into the 150 for no reason, rank a top 75 in the top 30, put someone at number one who doesn’t have business being there…it sells subscriptions. Whereas the private ones only sell that fee because they actually KNOW what they are talking about, it goes out to the COACHES only, it’s private, and the rankings don’t matter to the coaches, only the evaluations. Period.

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    Justin is adamant.
    What is the kid’s name from Pitt who wears number 23? I’m too lazy to look it up.
    I saw him play against UConn and he was smooth. Nice hops, good finishing ability, absolutely attacked the rim. I saw him shoot one jumper, but he clearly wasn’t adept at that. Anyway, he was going at Thabeet in the first half of their game, and I liked what I saw. Of course, that was only one game.
    And, I liked that freshman from UConn, number 15. He had some nice off the bounce moves, and he finished two tough shots in traffic. I did not like the Price? dude who runs point for them. He was a chucker and he overdribbled.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Allenp, do you mean Sam Young of Pitt? Solid player. 15 from UCONN is Kemba Walker.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    People are always asking me if I know Tyler Hansbrough.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Draft Express has Jordan Hill over Thabeet in the draft. Wow.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Z, I don’t like Draft Express’ explanation of where the picks are, when a player goes, I’m not even a huge fan of the scouting reports sometimes.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    I’m still jacked over this game. My goodness!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Holly, you were worried people would be mad at the lack of NBA talk, all we have talked about this entire time is NCAA! haha

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Justin, what’s your take on Harden. I feel that people often look at what he ain’t and not what he is. I think he’s one of those guys that’ll put up numbers in the L and everybody will say that he’s a pleasant surprise but really he was killing all along

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    He’s a 6’4/6’5 SG LEFTY (whom nobody knows how to guard correctly at the guard position) who can shoot from NBA very well, he can drive into the lane EXTREMELY well, he can shoot midrange very effectively, and he NEVER shoots outside of the offense. If he was more selfish on offense he’d average 35-40. I’m not exaggerating, there are stretches of 8-10 minutes that he doesn’t TOUCH the ball on offense because it’s just not the way the offense works. He will be a solid pro. Remember, he’s going to be the same age as Kevin Love is now- 20. He’s a YOUNG basketball player, he wont be able to drink beer until later on his rookie year if he leaves for the NBA this year.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Is Tyler my bad dream? Or am I Tyler’s?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    Russ, you’re comments are beyond the pale in the best way.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I love Harden. Think Michael Redd but with actual dribble-drive ability.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    TAD, think Michael Redd with more skills, less sling in his shot technique & better defense.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    That too.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Incidentally, had ‘Cuse/UConn gone on any longer, I’m pretty sure Lawrence Moten and John Wallace would have gotten some burn. Donny Marshall, too.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I, for one, am not not mad at Redd’s single. My thing with shooters is ‘if it ain’t broke don’t fix it’. If the release is quick and the % is good, let it be.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    What I can’t understand is mediocre shooters being very stubborn with their mechanics. I’m looking at you Noah. I’d let it slide if he were a good shooter but when you’re not making them and your ball is spinning sideways, it’s time to go back to the lab.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Unrelated but I hate those tight jerseys and really long shorts that Cuse and Ohio St are sporting.

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  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    True story, Michael Redd was a defensive stopper when he came to the leave. And he was primarily a slasher at Ohio State. Extra points if you can name the midget who ran the one for that team. First name starts with an S.

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    *League

  • http://www.ojhoops.blogspot.com the baconator

    I think it’s funny that everyone seems so surprised at how Cuse pulled this off. This team is truly capable of great things. Flynn is one of the best point guards in the game right now. Devendorf is a very good shooter and great slasher. Harris reminds me of Barkley, in that he’s a small guy that’s a natural rebounder. Arinze Onuaku and Rick Jackson are two big bodies in the post that haven’t always been consistent, but are solid nonetheless. And when Rautins gets hot off the bench, dude is money. This team could be in a position to make a run in the tournament if not for it’s incredibly weak depth. Outside of Rautins and Kristof Ongenaet, who gets sporadic time, the rest of their bench (Scoop Jardine, Kris Joseph, and Mookie Jones) is injured. Next year the Orange will be something special; just y’all watch

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    scoony penn

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    What was Johnny Flynn’s stat line?

  • http://www.ojhoops.blogspot.com the baconator

    @Teddy: 34 pts, 11 dimes, 6 steals in 67 minutes

  • http://www.dinonationblog.com James Borbath AkA The Dino Blogger

    This was epic and fantastic and I am not really a huge fan of UConn or Syracuse. If anything I lean to UConn but part of you had to be pulling for Syracuse a little. This was truly the best NCAA Game I can recall. Short of Villinova upset of Georgetown way back in the 80′s in the Final. I can not recall and an NCAA game that I enjoyed more. The Madness has started early this year and I think it is great. Bring it on!!!

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