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Wednesday, March 18th, 2009 at 9:15 am  |  352 responses

The Post Up: Luck of LeBron*

Bulls go green and out-irish the C’s.

A new Chicago statue?by Holly MacKenzie

*I’m not actually implying that anything to do with LeBron is luck, I just liked the way the title sounds.

Bulls taking down the Celtics? Really? As I said yesterday, it feels more like April Fools day rather than St. Patricks day. I worked a night shift so unfortunately by the time I got home, all of the NBA action was over and I was stuck watching highlights and reading boxscores.

In other words… FILL ME IN.

Saw highlights of  LeBron, though. My goodness. Really, what else is there to say?

I’ve been rooting for Dwyane and have been singing that DWADE FOR MVP song, but Bron is totally drowning me out.

43, 12, 8 and 4. No big deal. Just another win for the Cavs. 54 wins. Who thought we’d be here? Not this girl.

I think it’s inevitable. He will get that MVP award. I kind of hope that by saying those words, it puts the universe in motion and Wade follows this up with something ridiculous of his own tonight.

In case you needed the score, the Cavs took down the Magic, 97-93 and they needed some late game Magic from LeBron. That’s what I’ve been told, anyway. Bron also wore some pretty green and white shoes, I did catch a glimpse of those.

He scored 21 of the Cavs final 31 points and when his team was down one, in the final minutes, he drained a three in front of the Magic bench. He then knocked down free throws to close out the scoring. Rashard Lewis missed a three with 2.5 seconds remaining and the game was Cleveland’s. 30-1 at home. Winning is fun. Mo Williams added 21 points and Zydrunas Ilgauskas had 8 points and 11 boards for the Cavs. Dwight Howard led Orlando with 13 points, 15 boards and 6 blocked shots, but was almost invisible in the second half. Rafer Alston had 23 points and 5 steals and rookie Courtney Lee added 19 in the loss.

ATL killed the Kings 119-97 and Al Horford had a nice line of 23 points, 12 rebounds and 6 assists. Josh Smith had 21 and 10 and Joe Johnson added 20. The loss spoiled another nice line from Kevin Martin who finished wth 31 points on 14 field goal attempts from the floor and 15-17 from the line. The Kings shot 39% while giving up 55% shooting to the Hawks.

I’m lying. I caught 6.6 seconds of basketball.

6.6 seconds of great, but painful basketball.

6.6 seconds of Andre Igoudala killing the Lakers after Kobe hit a jumper to put LA up two. The Lakers deserve this loss, getting outscored 32-20 in the fourth and failing to use the foul they had to give with 6.6 on the clock. Philly wins, 94-93, thanks to s 20-2 fourth quarter run that was started by Donyell Marshall. Iggy finishes with 25 on the night as Pau had 25 and 11 for LA and Kobe was held to only 11 on 5-15 from the floor.

And with that loss, the Cavs currently own the best record in the league. First to 54.

Few more things about that Lakers game, Alvin Gentry twittered about it and called Igoudala the “real A.I.”. What’s that about? Also, post game, Donyell, made it a point to talk about how he works with his assistant coaches and stays in shape to be game ready, even when he isn’t playing. I thought he may have caught a glimpse of Lang’s Links from Monday.

Speaking of ugly shooting, Rodney Stuckey had a rough night against Dallas shooting only 5-19 from the floor as the Mavs picked up the two point win, 103-101. The Pistons were without Rip (strained groin), Sheed (strained calf), and Iverson (back). Afflalo started in Rip’s place and finished with 16 points as TayShaun Prince led the way offensively, scoring 28 on the night. The Mavs were led by Dirk Nowitzki’s 30, as Erick Dampier added 16 points and 13 boards.

While googling to see why Rip was out, I found this video.

You know what makes me sick about not watching games? I missed all of the Celtics/Bulls game and when I checked the box and noticed Leon Powe had played exactly 4:22 minutes and racked up exactly0 personal fouls, I felt ill. Could he have injured himself? Messed up his knee again? What happened? I checked twitter, didn’t see anything, emailed Russ, who hadn’t heard either. Eventually, a coworker found the info out on the internet (he suffered a knee bruise), but I hate that feeling of being in the dark.

Kinda makes you wonder how we managed before live stats and the internet. When the scores in the newspaper the next morning, or a radio station that covered your team would have to suffice.

The Bulls won that game against the Bulls, 127-121. John Salmons had 38 points on 14-20 from the floor to outshine Paul Pierce’s 37 in the loss. Brad Miller had 21/14/5 off of the bench and Tyrus Thomas added 18. Rajon Rondo scored 26 points to go with 10 assists and Kendrick Perkins added 14 points, 10 rebounds and 4 blocked shots in the loss.

The Spurs sat Duncan and still overcame a huge game from Kevin Love to take down the TWolves, 93-86. Love finished with 17 points and 19 boards, but the Spurs’ 24 points from Tony Parker, 15 from Roger Mason and 12 from Fabricio Oberto were enough to keep them on top. Sebastian Telfair added 17 as well for the Wolves in the loss.

Utah smoked Washington, 103-88. Carlos Boozer finished with 13 points and 15 boards while Deron Williams added 12 points and 8 assists, but also 8 turnovers. Kyle Korver added 15 off of the bench as the Jazz finished the game shooting 50% from the floor as compared to just 36% for the Wizards. Washington were led by 13 and 10 from Antawn Jamison, 9 points and 13 boards from Andray Blatche and 14 point efforts from Nick Young and Juan Dixon.

I think that’s most of the action that went down last night, or, the brief overview. I’d love to have the blanks filled in, if you would all be so kind to tell me what I missed. I’ll be back in about an hour or so. Catch you then.

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  • Fred34

    Bwahahaaaa – The Celts are beginning their downward slide into the playoffs – always a great sign. For the OTHER teams. – eff you beantown. Kiss that repeat goodbye.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Chicago looked really good last night. Thanks for giving them a mention, Holly. It was a huge win, even though the C’s were on the road and Garnett was out. I like what Miller, Ti. Thomas and Salmons bring to the Bulls. Lots of veteran help in positions they were weak in. Plus, Luol Deng will be around in a couple weeks. The Bulls should be a solid No. 8 seed.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    It’s pretty obvious that Lebron and Dwyane are now sharing the title of the most efficient closers in the league.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    The Bulls get that 8th spot over Charlotte? I dunno…

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Also, I know Lebron hit that three at the end of the game, but if I was a Cleveland Fan (which I can’t be, according to Eboy), I wouldn’t be terribly happy with Lebron taking that shot.

  • http://www.shermradio.com Sherm

    John Salmons makes Luol Deng pointless

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Just shows your ignorance, JuJu. He’s been making these threes with pretty steady efficiency since the All-Star break. You should know that as a newly minted Cavs follower.

  • riggs

    @Fred34: yes our downward slide, since we’re NOT hurt or at 100% like other teams are….dumb*ss

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I’m not sure if you’re trolling or something Eboy, considering your angry and violent rant two days ago about Kobe launching threes whenever he wants, but the game before this one, Lebron was 0-3 from the three. Before that, he was 4-11. Before that, 3-8, 0-6, 0-3.
    But let’s forget all that for a second: if you’re only down by one, and the team you are rooting for has the BEST IN THE NBA AT DRIVING TO THE HOOP, why would you be happy he took a three point shoot?
    I mean, you’re getting a rise out of me, right?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I mean, it was a sick shot, and Lebron was pretty great from the three-point line that day, not taking anything away from sinking it the way he did. It was cold blooded. It was still Lebron taking a three with 40-something seconds left down by one.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I think the injury excuse doesn’t apply this season. Every top team in the East and West had had injury issues (LA-Bynum, Celts-KG etc, Spurs-Parker & Manu, Cleveland-West etc, Orlando-Jameer) and the win totals are all skewed because of them. The one team that wasn’t adversely affected was the Lakers….who seem to be solid without Bynum….probably because the same group was in the Finals without him. Once the Celts get healthy…..they will be right back on pace to drive through the first two rounds and meet up with Cavs in the ECF’s.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh Jukai…..you simpleminded goof. Look at the whole of the comment and don’t just take a 5 game sample and make that out to be your argument. Should I point you to the two games where he shot 6-7 and 5-6 from the three or did those games not happen?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Also….it’s pretty obvious that Lebron, taking a single covered three, from a spot on the floor where he knocks down that shot more often than not,is not a poor option.

  • Fred34

    Sorry to any/all who disagree but I am officially hating on the Celtics this year, do not want to see them even in the Conf finals, and am all to happy that they are struggling now and will continue to struggle even with the “return” of KG (we’ll see if he comes back at 100% and for how long). I repeat, you can kiss that repeat goodbye. That’s how the cookie crumbles.

  • Fred34

    PS. eff you beantown

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    great game for the cavs. Mo’s late 3 to tie it and the ice cold, nonchalant walk back to the huddle was effing cool:” that’s what i’m paid for” moment. And the simulated group Photo before the game was fun..ny. BUT, zee shoes, zee shoes, Bron?! I love specual colours, but come on king, if management doesn’t make St. Paddy’s jersey’s, don’t force the green VI’s on us. Talk about mismatched look. Ughh!

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    oh one more thing: Dirk, yueahhh (just teasing, ciolkstar).

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Most St.Patricks day jerseys are horrible.

  • http://iwantoutofokc.com/ James the balla

    @Eboy lol. Wade and Lebron share that title eh? Is Kobe in your top ten?

  • scott

    Gotta agree with Jukai…James is just not a good three point shooter at this stage of his career. LeBron is unstoppable when driving to the basket why settle for the three?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Holly, there was a sighting last night. Rare one too, Erick Dampier was rumoured to have been an effective presence in a Mavs game. That doesn’t sound right?

  • Myung

    Uniform-wise, it looked like the Celtics were playing the Celtics. We’ve had Latino uniforms and green St. Patrick’s Day ones. I’m expecting maybe red-white-and-green Christmas ones (the Bucks are already ahead of the game) in the future, and maybe we’ll see some pink ones on Valentine’s Day.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    yeah, pink would look great on guys like big ben and Mcdyess for example.

  • matt the jazz fan

    and not to pile on to eboy here, but if he made that shot “more often than not” he’d be at 50% (and i don’t think that he’s at 0.500 from two feet behind the three point line).

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “LeBron is unstoppable when driving to the basket why settle for the three?” Because the risk/reward benefit has been working in his favor more often than not this season.

    Oh and James….not everything is meant to be a slight to your girl. He’s not THAT guy anymore…..still one of the guys that can make you cry if he’s on…..but he doesn’t do that like he did a few seasons ago. I can remember one game where he stood out in the last seconds….and that was the game in Houston. He was premature in SA when Mason out did him….and I really don’t remember (or care) any other game he ended a game with a last second shot or free throw this season (part of it due to his team not being in that many close games).

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Matt……..you too? So everyone is convinced that Lebron just should NEVER shoot a three, regardless of his ability to make them now with more consistency than any other point in his career? Is that similar to saying Kobe doesn’t get to the paint and score as often as he used to ’cause he’s lost a step (which he clearly has)so he should NEVER make that play? Get the f*ck out of here with that stupid sh*t.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    “your girl”. Hehe. Mambiatch indeed.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    i’d rather see lebron win/help win a game on a bad threepointer than on a TRAVEL to the basket. At least that three was legal.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    temper, temper Eboy.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Some thoughts: LeBron is the Beast – he will and should get the MVP, best player in the L, tied for best closer (agree with greybeard Eboy on this one) best teamrecord in the L, probably best teammate in the L (Chauncey might snatch some votes) ’nuff said. Celtics will be just fine when KG is back (assuming he’s healthy, I personally think that the health>home choice is a good one). Like I’ve said on numerous occasions before; Howard will never be a Shaq or a Duncan, once again he went missing on O against a top team because of his lack of moves/inability to make free throws, he’s closer to a bigger less mobile version of Kemp (except that Kemp actually had an ok stroke for a PF) than a new Shaq imo. 13 points? untill he gets (I seriously doubt that happening, 4+ years in the L and not much improvement in that area)some fundamentals on O he should never be in an MVP discussion again. Uhh and Pinky only getting 11 in a tight game and going out a losing, just about made my day. Is it to early to nickname Iggy as the Snaketamer?

  • http://iwantoutofokc.com/ James the balla

    @Eboy. The “last second shot” to end a game. Isn’t always in the last second. Kobe has hit a ridiculous ammount of daggers. He is the man in the fourth. And Lebron obviously has to shoot 3′s. He is either ok at them, or terrible at them. Right now he is doing ok.

  • matt the jazz fan

    whoa, whoa eboy. relax…
    not “never”. just “considerably less often”.
    not when down by one late in the fourth, for example, as a rule of the thumb.

    as far as kobe is concerned – since he often gets the call, going to the basket is in fact still a pretty good idea.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Does the E in Eboy stand for EXTREEEEEEME?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Dark…..again….like I said the other day…..no criticisms can be made (no matter what the topic is) when speaking of all things Lakers and it’s just dumb. We all know Kobe can do incredible things on the court…..but they are less and less frequent to the exploits of Dwyane and especially Bron. Why is that so hard to see for the sheep that can’t make a path of their own in life instead of just following what they hear instead of what they see.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Jesus, Eboy has gone nuts the last couple of days. You’re going to point out the games where he has shot 5-6 and 5-7 from the floor? When was that last time? Seven games ago? Ten games ago? Fifteen? The risk/reward benefit? What? Did you watch the Cavaliers get trounced by the Celtics with EVERYTHING going in the Cavs favor, because of the same “risk/reward” benefit which meant James kept shooting that three?
    You’re usually incredibly knowledgable about basketball, but man, have you been off recently.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Cavs held Rashard to 6 points? Wtf? I know they defend 3 better than anyone in the L, but Lewis couldn’t step around the guys closing out and make some plays? Has he become that one dimensional?

  • scott

    There are too many players jacking up too many three point shots. James is shooting 34% from long distance this year and probably takes around 5 or 6 a game. I’m sorry that just isnt a good choice for someone of his abilities. James is not the only one case in point Josh Smith settles for the three way too often.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    James, you dolt (in the most loving of ways)when Kobe is throwing his daggers and most of them are from 17 feet and out and Lebron is making most of his daggers from 7 feet and in, where is the difference in the greatness of both? I’d like to hear your take….since Lebron is just awful at making J’s and Kobe’s direction to the cup is now an afterthought for him since he is such a good shooter? Enlighten me.

  • MooButter

    Save the Lebron criticism for a game where he settles for that shot and his team loses. He obviously felt good about it. When his defender played off him on the pick and roll anticipating the drive, he read that and took the shot he was given. Had he been doubled, Mo would have taken the shot. Great game though.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    What MooButter said. Plus: Lebron has the green light to do whatever the hell he wants, and most times it’ll work out, and sometimes it won’t. This time, it did.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai….you are maddeningly stupid…..I’m used to it for years of reading your praise of all things incorrect….but if you think that 34% shooting from the 3 is terrible and requires a lobotomy from someone that sees the potential for a new weapon for a guy that has been accused of being one dimensionsl in his scoring ability…..you would have to take back any legitimate basketball knowledge you have and drown yourself in a puddle of Dick Vitale’s ball sweat. BTW….what is the shooting percentage of Kobe from the three this season?…..I’ll wait

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I’m with Eboy on; LeBron’s 3′s, Kobe’s decline, and the onesidedness of all the gullible Laker sheep.

  • niQ

    Keep in mind Garnet returns to the line up shortly. So it’s not going to be much of a “downslide”

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    TRYING TO ADD IT TO HIS GAME? HE TAKES FIVE THREE POINT SHOTS A CONTEST! Man!!!!!
    Let’s start taking bets: did aliens come and scoop out part of Eboy’s brain recently that has made him so blindingly idiotic that he can no longer gather coherent thoughts?
    Which is better, Eboy… 33%, which Lebron shoots at that angle, or 45%, which is what he would have shot had he stepped in a bit from the three point line?
    Why in the world do you keep mentioning Kobe? I have thought Lebron has been better than Kobe since last year, and have openly stated WADE is better than Kobe this year. In my opinion, Chris Paul is scarily approaching Kobe too. Kobe simply hasn’t been that great this season. So stop mentioning his name. Do you want to write him a song or something? Jesus.

  • scott

    Agree with MooButter. I know there is still about a month to go in the season but the list for MVP should be as follows

    1. LeBron James
    2. Dwyane Wade
    3. Chris Paul
    4. Kobe Bryant
    5. Paul Pierce
    6. Tim Duncan
    7. Dwight Howard
    8. Joe Johnson

    That about sums it up.

  • http://iwantoutofokc.com/ James the balla

    @Jukai… One of the few times I agree with you. lol but I actually do. And Eboy. I am not saying Lebrick isn’t clutch. But myself, along with every player/GM in the NBA, all know that Kobe is head and shoulders above Lebrick in who takes the last shot at the end of the game. Kobe is so smooth in 4th’s. Lebron … as we have seen in other games (washington). When his last shots are “layups”, he travels like a man b1tch!

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Eboy hates Kobe and Lakers fans SO MUCH, that he is willing to forgo logic and stick his d!ck so far up Lebron’s ass that it may never come out. Holy moly!

  • http://iwantoutofokc.com/ James the balla

    @Scott … PAUL PIERCE hahaha. GTFOH!!!

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    James: Kobe isn’t head and shoulders above Lebron at taking the last shot of the game. That’s ig-nant, man.

  • http://iwantoutofokc.com/ James the balla

    Co-sign Jukai lol. EBoy has been a pretty big silly dilly lately.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    James is the leader of the herd.

  • http://iwantoutofokc.com/ James the balla

    EVery year. Before the season starts. The GM’s vote for who takes the last shot. Also along with alot of other things. And every year Kobe almost gets every vote.

  • Fred34

    “Dick Vitale’s ball sweat” Jukai got pwned

  • scott

    Failing to see the humor in having Pierce in the top 5?

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    holy moly is secret code for Ho-mo

  • http://iwantoutofokc.com/ James the balla

    There is going to be a time. Like every great. (MJ in Washington was just sad), but where Kobe will have to just become a solid shooter and slowly fade into retirement. But he is still the man. I guarantee, when the playoffs roll around. The mamba is out in full force. YES YESS I know, where was he in the finals. Good one.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Sign of the coming apocalypse #213: Jukai and I have been in agreement for two consecutive days. One more might constitute an orange alert.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Hisham: I didn’t know that! You sure must know a lot about being gay!

  • scott

    Where was the mamba in the 06 playoffs against Phoenix or in the 08 finals against Boston?

  • Fred34

    So Jukai, according to your logic just about no one should ever take a 3 pt. shot based on percentages…. I feel for Eboy trying to talk sense to your crazy a$$. Good luck

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm….I’m including Kobe in this talk becasue he is one of the top three or 4 players in the league….and he is a wing player like Lebron and Wade….not a point guard like CP3. You guys truly live in another world where basketball knowledge is nonexistent.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Fellas, let’s watch our language. Thanks in advance.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    James; The GM’s couldn’t predict Kobe’s decline/LeBron’s rise as a closer this year, I bet that vote has another outcome next time around, James leads the L in 4th Q scoring, and has more clutch moments than Kobe this year. Nor is all of the GM’s among the smartest people around.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    oh no Jukai called me gay. I’m going to shut up now and let the omniscient Jukai continue being the cool and knowledgeable guy that he is

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Big mistake Hisham. Now he’s gonna try and rip you a new one, since hevis slam’s resident gay protector. Hey why doesn’t Tony Parker get any MVP love (and don’t start with “cause he’s french”). Timmy’s been wearing knee stabilizing sleeves for about a week now. Any baller knows those are worn to decrease pain and keep the confidence in one’s legs intact. Tony has been leading that team from day 1.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’m sorry that Myles is subjected to this….Co Co too.

  • scott

    Josh Smith should never shoot a three. It is not a thing of beauty.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Fred34: Larry Bird took around 2-3 three point shots a game. Let that sink in a bit. Two to three a game. Who is a better three point shooter, Lebron James or Larry Bird? Take your time, don’t strain yourself. Okay, I’m guessing you came to the conclusion of Larry Bird. So, here’s the next question: Why should Lebron James, who is a superior athlete and a better dribbler than Larry Bird, opt to take a three point shot TWO TO THREE TIMES MORE A GAME THAN LARRY BIRD EVER DID IN A SEASON.
    The answer?
    There IS no reason!
    I want Lebron to take three point shots. It spreads the floor and at the same time spreads the defense. Hitting three-point shots late in the game does something crushing to the mentality of another team.
    That being said, I would like to see Lebron lower his three point attempts to around two to three a game (JUST LIKE LARRY) and, if the team is down by one with 40 seconds left, opt for the two point shot. Both would win the game.
    If this doesn’t make you realize the problem with your logic, Fred, I can explain it to you, Fred, I can lower the syllable count for your pea sized brain.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    “silly dilly” “holy molly” where am I?

  • scott

    Co sign with Jukai.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    lebron james!!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Without even mentioning last years finals, when has Kobe ever stepped up his game in the playoffs? For sure he’s been playing good most years, but better than during the regular season.. hmm I doubt it. Huge nights of carrying his team, locking up other teams main man (Pierce had him for lunch last June), gamewinners etc. His 81, 63, 61 games always arrive during the regular season, why not when it matters?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    The fact no one is recognizing is that Bron was being played for the drive, precisely because he’s so deadly in the lane late in games. His three point shot really has improved this season, and while it hasn’t been there every night, there are nights when he’s feeling it from deep and he certainly has the green light to do what he feels.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Because he sucks, LZ.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm…..Reason #3,087,934 why Jukai is an idiot: The game today, and it’s players have a more “open relationship”(just for Jukai)with the three point line than the players of the 1980′s, hence the higher shot totals from the range in the game today.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Yeah, it’s cause he sucks, LZ.

  • scott

    Kobe played out of his mind in the playoffs…Oh wait that hasn’t really been the case since Shaq left LA.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    open relationship with the three point line… it’s official, Eboy is insane.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    He doesn’t suck, he a excellent basketball player. Not the best around anymore, but still top 3. Now seriously try an answer my question please; When has Kobe ever stepped up his game during the playoffs?

  • Fred34

    I love stat guys like you Jukai – it pretty much proves the fact that you don’t play. When you finally get out of high school and flounder thru koledge, remind me never to take your advice on stock picks using your nifty stat method then either.

  • The Seed

    What’s wrong with America, Kobe is not on a decline, he is playing with better players. He has less to do and sits out of most 4th quarters of wins. So Lebron scoring more in 4th quarter and better closer is dumb talk. He would have sit out against the 76ers if the bench mob, had some bullets left to keep the lead. Lebron is doing well, but come on a three, down by one, when you run over people to get calls and layups. Wade is playing well, but we all know the Heat aren’t going anywhere this year. So Lebron versus Kobe. Kobe has to have best record in league to win MVP. Lebron is playing well, but the key to the Cavs is Mo Williams play, He is hitting daggers and playing awesome as the point guard who can shoot. Kobe to me still has it, just wait then everybody on this board, will be like oh Kobe still has it in the playoffs. Yall act like Kobe is 38, only 30.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Exactly Scott, and back then he although scary good he still was just the Shaq’s sidekick. Agree with you Darksaber, Tony Longoria doesn’t get enough love, he’s straight out balling this year.

  • scott

    Mo Williams is the key to the Cavs?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I was kidding, but my honest answer would probably relate to the overwhelming insecurity that permeates every fiber of his being. He did, however, step it up in some of the playoff series with Diesel, and he absolutely killed the Spurs last season in the WCF. He didn’t post gaudy numbers, but he hit almsot every clutch shot he took. Its hard for me to admit that, but its true.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Kobe’s knees are atleast 35 though.

  • The Seed

    LZ are you stupid, check the lakers 3 peat, Kobe ended alot of those games and even Chris Webber on NBA TV, talked about Kobe getting his against them all the time. Yall some dumbies up here, Kobe played out of his mind last year to get to the finals against the spurs, nuggets, was getting tripled teamed in the Finals other Lakers did not step up. Also you do you think closed out games when Shaq didn’t get the ball, because he can’t shoot free throws.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    arrrrgh, Kob’s, Bron, (sometimes) Wade. They are all great ballers, exceptional, inspirational (well two out of the three anyway), but can we not discuss them every day? Igoudala has been balling like a beast since Elton went awol, TP, what is this denver team gonna do come playoff time, why the hell is shaq so quiet lately? You know, the other stuff?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    The Seed; Mo would never get all them looks without LeBron. Pau is at least just as important for LA, as Mo is for the Cavs.The key to the Lakers is Pau, check out their record before/after they acquired him.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Kobe is not on a decline…..he’s just not as explosive to the basket as he was when he was 25. Pretty simple, no?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    The key to the Lakers being Pau is also the key to why they won’t win it all…

  • scott

    Who was the finals MVP during the three peat every year? Shaq. Kobe is a helluva player but the talk last year was that he was on the same level as Jordan was just silly. Jordan would have never quit like Kobe did against Phoenix in 06 and game six last year against Boston. I’m just glad that we don’t ever have to compare Bryant to Jordan again.

  • The Seed

    LZ, check out the record with Mo Williams starting as point guard too, you act like Lebron does everything for the Cavs, he is the focal point of the offense. He is a point forward and Mo Williams balled in Buck land, before coming to the Cavs. I used to watch him all the time. So stop acting like Lebron is Big O.

  • nate james

    You guys are missing the point.
    lebron is the next kobe.
    and the reason why kobe doesnt shoot the ball, or take game winners is simply because he doesnt need too. His team isnt in close games that late. either they get killed by the blazers, or they destroy teams. how many times this year have they needed a game winner? as much as i hate the lakers. I respect Kobe. He doesnt need to prove anything because he’s done it all. Championships, MVP, 80+ scoring game. So i mean, why cant he take it easy?
    I hate lebron, so much. He’s 6’8″ really fast, and really strong, he needs to take it to the rim everytime down the court. if he doesnt make the shot he is probably fouled.
    and for my thoughts on MVP. it goes to Dwade. And paul pierce in the top 5? tim duncan? what have they done? nothing. Chauncy wasnt even mentioned? no Broy? you guys dont know bball.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Fred34: I have the same problem with stat guys. They state a lot of facts. It’s a terrible thing.
    (idiot).

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    uhh…. Sorry, but LeBron basically is The Cav’s “Big O”. Mo is their shooter and occasional ball handler.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    The Seed; No, I’m not stupid. I consider myself a rather intelligent (nothing extraordinary though) human being, and considering how handsomly he pays me, so does my employer apparently. I never said that Kobe didn’t play well in the playoffs, he played excellent especially as Shaq’s sidekick. But it’s a fact that his best moments have all come during the regular season. He plays at the same high level during the playoffs most of the time in the playoffs (dissapeared against Suns in ’06, Boston in ’08). But when has he stepped his game up in the playoffs? Please tell me.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Things actually relevant to this edition of The Post Up: How about the Hawks winning 6 in a row?? When Al fell hard to the floor my heart stopped. Luckily he got up and the Hawks went on a 9-0 run or something like that. They got real focused after that fall. Thanks Spencer Hawes for making sure they didn’t have a let down.
    Kevin Love had himself a game last night.
    Nothing like running into the Wizards when you badly need a win, I’m talking to you Utah.
    Now you can all carry on with turning every post on this website into a Kobe vs LeBron debate.

  • scott

    Paul Pierce and Tim Duncan have done nothing? What has Billups done in the last month? Denver is free falling while Billups shot has disappeared.

  • The Seed

    Scott, Lakers were not going no where in 06 and come one with this quit stuff. You can say Lebron quit int he Finals against the Spurs, by losing 4-0. So cut the mess out. I can’t believe all this hate on one of the greatest players ever. Everybody says it, Past greats, players now, but scrub fans, who probably can’t ball and are fake says he has never done anything int he playoffs. Scrubs.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    The Seed: Williams controls the offense for maybe ten minutes a game. The rest is Lebron and West. Saying Lebron is only winning because of Mo Williams and dismissing Pau/Odom/Fisher is pretty outstandingly ridiculous.

  • Fred34

    @Scott – In the absence of a Jordan, the media has to hype somebody – that’s the nature of the beast. I don’t think any sane person ever really tried to put Kobe on Jordan’s level. KB’s a good kid, astudent of the game and practiced a bunch of MJ’s moves. He’s got mad game, and a killer in the 4th when you need him most but Jordan is was and always will be GOAT.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Chauncey has not been anywhere near as good as Bron, Wade, CP3 or Kobe. The Nuggets getting better has been as much addition by subtraction (AI’s defense)as Chancey playing so well. And although I’m a huge BRoy fan, the Blazers aren’t good enough to have anyone in the MVP mix.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Agree ciolkstarr & scott. The Seed; LeBron is not the big O, but he’s the closest thing we have ever seen though (MJ had times where he was close as well, but not for stretches as long as LBJ). Or do you disagree with this as well?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Co Co: The Hawks? Are they an MLS team?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Oh god, LZ please don’t come in here bragging about how you must be smart (on hoops, no less)because you have a good job. GTF outta here.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    …and I already told you. He was absolutely killed the Spurs in the WCF last season. That’s the playoffs right? I watched every second of every game. It certainly wasn’t Pau beating us down.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Jukai’s first comment without an insult. very nice Jukai. much easier on the eyes

  • The Seed

    Kobes playoff stats, 29 average in 00- 01, 26 average in 01-02, 32 average in 02-03, 24-in 03-04, 27 in 05-06, 32 in 06-07, 30 in 07-08. These are his playoff averages in points. Some players can’t average 25 in the regular season. Come on people. I am done today, talking about this. Peace- These numbers say he is stepping up and in 03-04 Kobe played with Karl and GP, so he passed a little bit more 24 average.

  • nate james

    the blazers have been doing great, their 5th in the west. now im not saying i like the niggets or c-bills. im saying he has done more than pierce and tim duncan.
    look at broy now. 50+ against an decent deffence. if they try.
    tony parker 55 against the wolves, and kobe and lebron 50+ against the knicks.
    look at dwade. 50+ against the magic. dwade mvp.. nuff said.

  • scott

    Whoever said Kobe is a good kid did you forget about Colorado?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Co Co, to elaborate on your Kevin Love comment. The guy (Myles?) who was saying Love could be a good rebounder in the L seems to be right. Actually I’m going to raise the stakes, and say that I think that Love could have a Boozer caliber career. Both are strong a tad undersized widebodies with limited hops. Both are good rebounders. Boozer has more post game, Love has more range/better passing game. Love is still only a rookie. Without being a fan of his, I think (if in the right situation, maybe not playing with Al H.)he’ll get at least a couple of 20-10 seasons and All-Star games before he’s done.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    COCO is right though. I really wanted to come on here today and talk about Al Horford absolutely beasting for the last month, and the Hawks being able to put together a nice stretch without Marvin (will he be back this season?) Joe Johnson was way off in the first half last night, but Josh Smith and Big Al carried the team with rebounding and efficient offense, and Joe showed up in the 2nd half to seasl the deal. Those “Bron vs Kobe” debates are so polarizing though, sometimes I just can’t help my self.

  • nate james

    and the blazers gave the lakers their biggest loss of the season. and they were up by 30.
    i also heard some mvp chants going for roy at the line.
    but im not pleading his case. DWADE is MVP.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    And Darksaber: TP doesn’t get MVP consideration because he’s not MVP caliber. I haven’t watched too many Spurs games, but he doesn’t seem to carry them on most nights, which you have to do to be considered for MVP. (IMO)

  • Fred34

    To err is human. The Flesh is weak. He’s a man with a lot of male hormones. And nobody’s perfect.

  • scott

    Tim Duncan only wins 55 or more games every year. The guy is automatic for 20 and 10 every year. Maybe I had him too low at number 6.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Chauncey has not done more than TD. The Spurs have been missing Manu for basivcally the entire year and Tony for a few weeks as well. If the Nuggs were second in the west, you’d have a point, they are not. TD is STILL the best big man in the game.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Why bother, coilk…..it get’s no one nowhere. And yeah, the Hawks have been good…real good….but their the Hawks and their still coached by Mike Woodson….

  • scott

    Yes Al Horford thank you for finally doing what I thought you could do all year. Carry me into my fantasy league playoffs. I really thought Horford would average 19 and 10 for the year.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Single game scoring highs are NOT how one should define player’s worth. I mean Charlie V scored 50 as a rook in Toronto, would you say he had a better season then than he is now because of that one game?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Ciolkstar: Howard would like a word with you.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Ciolkstar; the Seed asked whether I was stupid, I replied. True you cannot measure inteligence, and it may have been a stupid comment, still it reasonates higher than me telling him that my pops think I’m smart.
    The Seed; I never said he didn’t play good, I said he didn’t raise his game compared to the regular season. I’m not into stats to prove my point, but since you brought it up compare those playoffs averages you listed with his regular season averages for the same years. You’ll be surprised to find out, that I’m not as wrong as you think.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    duncan is better than howard.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    @ciol They’ll miss Marvin in the playoffs for real. He’s a really really good defender. I think he should go ahead and have the surgery and get ready for next season.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    *True you cannot measure intelligence IN WHAT YOU EARN. Sorry was left out got ahead of myself typing.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Hisam: I don’t disagree, but it’s pretty close and pretty debatable.

  • truthteller

    Ladies and Gentlemen:
    The 2008/2009 NBA Finals:
    The Cleveland Cavaliers vs. The Los Angeles Lakers!
    I can’t wait!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Duncan is far better than Howard, even at this point of his career.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I thought about dwight before making that comment Juks, and I stick by it. Dwight is just not good enough offensively, the FT woes are a part of that as well. The Spurs entire offense is built around Tim’s post game and passing ability, it creates so many of those open 3s. And best believe Dwight will spend a lot of time on the line in close 4th quarters and really hurt his team if he doesn’t step that part of his game up. And IMO, Tim’s defense is still closer to Dwight’s then the number suggest. Dwight gets a ton of blocks but he doesn’t position himself as well, and the Magic’s team D isn’t as good at keeping penetration out of the lane, so he has more chances at blocks. Dwight is still getting better, and Tim is (slowly) beginning his decline. But at this point TD is still the man.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Its all good, LZ you are almost always a very level headed commenter (probably moreso than me) so I should have given you the benefit of the doubt on that comment. I’m probably just mad because it’ll be a couple more years before I’m seein that lucci.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jukai, you’re over-analyzing. LeBron is not a great 3-point shooter but he’s not that bad either. 34% is average. 1- He was shooting well from deep that game 2- The shot was not that contested and in rythmn 3- Great players make clutch plays at the end of games. I’m not mad. / Another thing: people need to stop thinking this is NBA 2k9! I know that he is a special talent but LBJ CAN NOT GET TO THE RIM ON EVERY SINGLE POSSESSION.IT’S IMPOSSIBLE. People used to ask why Shaq wasn’t throwing it down on every possession. because he can’t, that’s why. if he could, he would.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Something I have been thinking about recently: should head to head performances weigh heavily in a debate about who is the better of two players? Example: Yao usually kills Howard in head to head matchups, but i wouldn’t say Yao is a better player than Howard. Same with Chris Paul and Deron Williams. Amare and Duncan.

  • nate james

    Duncan has lost so many steps. i seriously believe the team is better without him.
    my friend is a huge spurs fan. I believe you play first half with half court offence and feed the ball to duncan a bit. then you take him out a quarter and let tony do his thing. all duncan does is block and cram the lane.
    i apologize for my mix in with chauncy. i just think that he has done more to benifit his team this year then tim duncan. i respect big timmy. and say he is a beast. but i howard would eat him alive.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Ciolkstar: The only things I’d argue are that Timmy’s FT woes are pretty well documented and that the Magic run a VERY similar offense which depends on Dwight passing to the open three point shooter (he’s not just as quick so the defense usually has time to run to the man he passed it to, but that usually leads to the second pass to an open three point shooter). But besides that, it’s very hard for me to argue why Howard is better than Duncan. Howard’s numbers are better, but that’s mostly because Duncan has come back from some games still injured and didn’t play as well.
    It’s just hard to tell if injuries or age are holding Duncan back at times.
    Still, all in all, I think Duncan is better than Howard. I’m just saying, unlike what Lz says, it’s debatable.

  • The Seed

    LZ, compared them and you are wrong, his averages went up in the playoffs and sorry for calling you stupid, you are a smart man, becuase your pops said so.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Nate: uhm………… Hmmm………..

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Well, even the concept of “head to head” matchups is misleading, because guys are not out there playing one on one. The team’s makeup/style/coaching etc dictate so much of how those matchuups wrok out statistically and in terms of wins and losses. Its mainly a marketing device.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    …Somehow Nate is making dumber comments each time he posts…

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    @nate: that’s exactly what i mean. “Player X would eat player Y alive”. Does that mean player x is a better player?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    You’re right that TD has had his share of FT struggles Jukai, I know that all to well. But Dwight is nowhere near the passer Tim is. Maybe one day, but not now. Dwight is most certainly on the rise, and once he works out some of the kinks on offense, the crown is his to wear.

  • nate james

    yeah. i agree with all of you.
    its really hard to tell. but idk. i just feel duncan has left his A game somewhere. its almost like he doesnt enjoy playing. i see a lack of passion. where is that killer instinct gone?
    i havnt seen it.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Hish: i disagree to a certain level. This has been the first season i’ve noticed TP going so loco on offense, including the 07 championship seadon where he had the best FG% of any guard and was top 10 amongst all players for most of the year (i’m still in awe about that). Manu has been dodgy, Tim of course is the rock but obviously hurting (missed last night?) and Tony’s had phenomenal games in 08/09. I think he should get some mvp appreciation, if Broy and the Chaunce are on people’s radar, Monsieur Longoria belongs too.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    What exactly would Dwight doe to Tim? Dunk on him 10 times? Sorry, I just don’t see it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBQEmmgDl9I Boing Dynasty

    Who was the announcer on CSN doing the bulls/Celts game who went completely ape-sh!t on that ref Bill Kennedy for T’ing up Doc Rivers. That sh!t made my day. “Ya, your a BIG man Bill, REAL BIG MAN!!”

  • nate james

    okay heres a question.
    one on one who would win?
    Duncan or Howard?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Nate: Duncan….

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    can’t argue with you there Darksaber. Even though i don’t think roy and billups should be considered either. Not very seriously anyway. Melo is the best AND most valuable player on the Nuggets in my opinion (which is that of a biased Melo fan).

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Howard is way too raw to beat any crafty guy (like Yao or Duncan) 1 on 1. He’d jump at every fake on defense, and get a couple dunks but nothing else on offense.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Aaaaand i’m out. Very early weekend this week. Which also makes it very long! see you guys later.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Kevin Love: 17 points, 19 rebounds. Where’s Eboy?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    cant back you up there Hisham. I do not like watching Carmelo play (to put it mildly)

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    Co Co, what happened with Al?
    I didn’t see it.
    My stomach dropped when I saw that Powe had only played 4:22, I bet you felt the same when you saw your guy fall.

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    haha everybody’s entitled to their opinion. i won’t think any less of you. Later!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Hi Ryan.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Tony P has been playin out of his mind, scoring and even dishing more eregularly and I’d agree that he’s haing atleast as good of a season as Chauncey and almsot as good as Broy, but none of those guys is legitimately in the discussion. Neither is TimBot, really its just Bron vs Wade. And honestly, that’s fine.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Ciolkstar; Cool, level-headed, we’re definetly on the same level hehe..Probably won’t be long before we’re on the same level lucci-wise aswell. The Seed; Kobe career scoring: Reg. Season: 25,2 ppg. Playoffs: 24,3 ppg. how exactly is that raising his game? (reminding you, that’s it’s you who brought stats into this). Tim would eat Dwight in a playoffs series.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Let us say, for argument’s sake, that a player—let’s call him Player A—averages 25/5/5 during the regular season. That’s for 82 games, against teams that suck and teams that don’t, against lottery losers and playoff powers, against the Seattle Supersonics and the San Antonio Spurs. When Player A’s team makes the playoffs, he averages the same 25/5/5 through however far his team goes. Considering that Player A is then playing against playoff teams (duh) in rather meaningful games, probably against defenses that adjust accordingly every night, isn’t Player A’s playoff 25/5/5 more impressive than his regular season 25/5/5? Is it not possible to perform as well—if not better—in the playoffs than one did in the regular season without a noticable statistical change? I’m just asking.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Also, I’m conflicted over how to feel about the Bulls’s win last night. While a win over the Celtics is quite commendable, every loss brings Vinny Del Negro’s inevitable dismissal closer. And the playoffs are nothing to look forward to, as a first-round annihilation at the hands of the Celtics or Cavaliers doesn’t appeal to me at all. (Not to mention an eight-seed “earned” via a sub-.500 record should be stricken from the record books anyway.)

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    I <3 Russ.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    RUSS WHAT THE HELL IS WITH YOU AND SLAM CAN”T KOBE TAKE ANY INCREDIBLY ILLOGICAL CRITICISM AND NOT HAVE IT REBUTTED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARGHHHHHHHH

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ummmmmm…hey everyone.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    very well put Russ. Worth mulling over. I guess i just like using Hakeem’s dismantling of Robinson, Ewing and (to a lesser extent) Shaq in those two championship years as the measuring stick for raising one’s game in the postseason.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    For sure Russ, as I’ve mentioned I’m not a fan of bringing stats into this argument, but The Seed insisted of going that route. My only question to all the legions always hollering about 81, 73, 61 etc. games was: When has Kobe actually stepped up his game in the playoffs? (I fully acknowledge that he’s been balling in the playoffs, especially as Diesel’s sidekick, but when is the offensive explosions, gamewinners, locking down of opponents, and all out domination when everything it’s at stake. Nobody has answered yet, maybe you can help me?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Russ I can see why a first round matchup with Cle/Boston wouldn’t excite you given the history of the Bulls. But hey if some sub .500 team has to make it, might as well be your team..

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    *but WHERE is the.. Agree that 25/5/5 in the playoffs is tougher. But where is the explosions and total domination, when the other teams are called Jazz, Spurs, and Celtics and not Raptors, Knicks, Mavs? He’s just not as dominant in the playoffs imo. Without wanting to start “the never ending story” argument all over, it was the complete opposite with Mike back in his heyday.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Sorry for going around in circles, I’ll leave you guys in about 5. But could I please get an answer to my Q before, please..

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    a) Hakeem’s playoff performance was one for the ages. You can’t just take what was perhaps the single greatest individual playoff performance ever and fault everyone else for not measuring up. Not to mention it’s hard to compare a facilitator/wing and a center. Hakeem was hungry, and he got fed. b) Lz, if Kobe scored 81/73/61 in the playoffs, then he’d be a selfish ballhog who hates his teammates. It’s a no-win situation. All in all, for a guy who’s never won a Finals MVP, he’s performed pretty goddamn well. And ciolkstar has brought up last year’s Western Finals against the Spurs MULTIPLE times as an example of exemplary performance in the clutch. Are you willfully ignoring that example?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Kobe’s game 4 of the 2000 finals, Kobe’s every game in the 2000 playoffs and Kobe’s clutch come-from-behind performances in last year’s playoffs against the spurs don’t count?

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Co Co: NOT INTERESTED. You know what happens if they make the playoffs? The record gets tossed out the window and Vinny/Pax say “hey, we made the playoffs, we’re making progress.” Eff that. No you’re not. I’d rather see them lose out, clean house, and rebuild around Rose. They’re a terrible team that needs to get blown up.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Russ; I get your no-win situation point. And I’m not asking for any 81 games from him, but a dominating 45 against Boston on the road would have been sufficint. I must admit I didn’t watch much of the Spurs series, so I take Ciolkstar and your word for it. Wasn’t ignoring it, but then again that’s just one series. Not proof of anything imo. Where’s the consistency in one series.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I think this is as good a time as any for me to suggest a breathalyzer for the comments section.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    But Russ Pax has shown no interests in wanting to make the team better no matter who is coaching. I mean if we believe everything that’s reported (which we don’t and if we do, we shouldn’t) they could have had KG and Pau but he wouldn’t bite. For whatever reason Pax is ready to go to war with this bunch of young talent.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    I didn’t realize a series you didn’t watch doesn’t count, even though it was the Western Conference Finals against the most dominant team of the decade. So let me see if I have this straight—because Kobe didn’t singlehandedly dismantle the best team in the League last year—on the road, no less—in the Finals, he’s not clutch? Got it. Good thing he had REAL clutch players like Derek Fisher and Robert Horry around all those years.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    LZ: Kobe’s series against the Suns in 2006 was one of the best individual performances from any player ever. I watched the entire thing. I don’t care if he gave up on game seven. Game’s one through six were INCREDIBLE. -INCREDIBLE.-

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Damn Russ, Thats a prety harsh assesment. But I’ll agree that their roster confuses the hell out of me, still. The pieces just don’t fit.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    My point is just; as good as Kobe is, although I don’t care very much for him, I admit that he’s a great player (3rd best in the L this year, tied for 1st last year, and 1st for a couple of years before that imo) he’s just a bit hyped when it comes to his actual playoffs achievements. Gotta go. Good day all.

  • MacGyver

    well,career wise:lebron on game winning shots 17/50 for 34% and kobe:14/56 for a astonishing 26%..very clutch this kobe guy is indeed what a myth..that media is something else..

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Co Co: Which is why complete and utter failure is what I want because I need Pax to get fired, too. He was great when he wore No. 5, but he’s been horrific as a general manager—doing JUST well enough to keep his job and make sure the Bulls don’t contend for anything ever. Getting that No. 1 pick was, in a sense, the worst thing that could have ever happened. If they got the 9 or whatever they were supposed to, house would have been cleaned already.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    MacGyver: Where did you get that stat, out of curiosity?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    ” My point is just; as good as Kobe is, although I don’t care very much for him”

    That is what this all comes down to.. I’m going to have to insist that each commenter start their first comment with a statement similar to this one so people don’t waste time trying to state facts and or make points to people whose mind’s won’t be changed.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    No Russ, never said he’s not clutch. He’s just not as clutch as The Herd wants you to believe, that’s my point. Him dismantling the Celtics, would have gone a long way in proving me wrong. But we all know that didn’t happen. The Spurs series was one series, one. Jukai, unfortunately that series was decided in game 7, where he gave up – that in my world, tells me more than the prior 6 games. Sorry would be loving continuing this discussion, but really do have to go. Tchau.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I’m surprised that the number of GW shots kobe has taken isn’t higher (if that stat is accurate)…and what is the exact definition of Game winner? Can it be a tie game? Does it have to be in the last 30/10/5/seconds?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Well Russ remember that rumor earlier this year that he was going to step down? Maybe he will………

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Blabla Co Co, I’ll rather hear some kind of real argument from you, instead of you being a wiseazz.. If somebody could give me more than one Spurs series worth of proof, I would happily be a believer. No matter my contempt for the guy. If he goes and does something amazing in this years playoffs I’ll happily eat my words. You can count on that. See now you guys made me miss my train.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Lz is cracking me up.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I gave you around eight games worth, and you took away three of them because Kobe didn’t have a good game seven, which somehow disqualifies two game winners and another amazing game and above 50% shooting and multiple double doubles in a series against a team that was suppose to be superior in every area of the game.
    You just don’t want to hear it, LZ.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Eboy; Good to hear that I’m not stepping on your toes. Seems that even Russ walks around in sandals around here.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Jukai those eight games are easily negated by that game 7 and last years game 6.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Lz…..don’t let ‘em get you down…..it’s a thing……one group speaks….the other chastises and vice versa….it’s actually fun if you look at it like a game!

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Someone prove to me that the Earth revolves around the sun. And don’t use any of that physics nonsense because I don’t believe in it.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Attaboys, don’t let logic and valid counter-arguments stop you from blindly ranting on something that is factually incorrect.
    I’m done with speaking with Eboy and LZ for the day. Co Co, I will respond to anything you say about the Hawks from now on.

  • BostonBaller

    truthteller my have to rethink his Finals teams, neither of them are a lock and don’t count The Celtics out just yet. CoCo, 2 reasons Webster shouldn’t come back this year: (1) I want him to have a full recovery and (2) He killed us last year. lol. Fred34 you know you’re a closet Celtics fan hence the #34 you carry. We have a large number of our important guys out but no need to panic. Keep nailing our coffin and watch us rise like the Undertaker. lol.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I don’t have nothing to add except this back-and-forth is hilarious.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I wasn’t trying to be a nudge, Jukai…..look up at the comments for the last hour or so….I haven’t been involved in this reduntant bullsh*t for a while and don’t want to be back in it either.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Eboy; True, heck The Herd will never get this trooper down. I’ll be meeting them on the battlefield that is SLAM online soon enough. Do you agree (at least the slightest) with what I’m saying?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    ….

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I do, to a point. “Everyone but Lz avert your eyes” The two games that may define Kobe’s post title run career are the games where he quit against the Suns and the lack of ANYTHING he supplied as a leader and a legend in the total annihlation at the hands of the Celts in game 6. those are legend defining moments…and his is always going to be slightly tainted because of them. It doesn’t belittle his really great work in the title years and the good work he did in the moments Jukai sighted….but when you are spoke of in holier than thou terms….like he is usually portrayed….you need to do EVERYTHING possible to make your team have that shot…..and regardless of what others will say (team talent in 06, tough opponet last year)you need to do all you can to make the doubters say “well, that motherfu*ker did all he could” and in those two defining moments in the second part of his career…he didn’t make that case and that’s trying to be objective without my dislike for the player showing through.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    ……………….

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    I kind of like the theory that anyone who supports Kobe in any way is just a blind sheep, but anyone who supports LeBron in any way is an enlightened member of the basketball renaissance. And that it’s impossible to praise one without denigrating the other. RELATED THEORY: Tracy McGrady isn’t clutch, because despite evidence like his 13 points in five seconds against an excellent Spurs team, he’s never even gotten out of the first round. CORROLARY: Reggie Miller wasn’t clutch, because despite his oft-heralded post-season performances in the Garden and elsewhere, he only advanced to the NBA Finals once and his team didn’t even win. Not to mention I wasn’t at the Garden for those performances, so they didn’t even happen really.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    the herd: did you coin that one, E?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    No…I think that’s Lz’s.

  • Michael

    Kobe cost the Lakers a game for the first time last night. It was bound to happen sooner or later.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    1990, Eastern Semis, Orlando v. Chicago, Game Six: Michael Jordan, 8-19, 24 points, game-high six turnovers, five fouls. Magic win 108-102, win series 4-2.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    1995, oops.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    He quit against the Pistons too. But lets ignore that.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Russ needs to fact check.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh…he did. Yeah..Myles is correct…Kobe did quit against the Pistons too.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    1990, Eastern Finals, Detroit v. Chicago, Game Seven: I can’t find the final box (shame) and don’t remember individual numbers, but Detroit wins 93-74. Pistons go on to win Finals.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Russ seriously didn’t use the 20 game back from retirement Jordan series as one of his examples did he?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yes…..I remember the game…I know the stat line too…..find it and then compare his “quit” to others being mentioned here.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    lame attempt Russ. Comparing MJ’s loss to orlando during his comeback attempt from baseball to any shortcomings kob’s has displayed in certain playoff games? Really? Why don’t you keep going along those lines and enlighten us what a possessed MJ unleashed on the league the following season (apart from space jam).

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    2000, Western Finals, Lakers vs. Portland, Game Seven: Kobe Bryant, team-high 25 points, team-high 11 rebounds, team-high seven assists, team-high four blocks, two turnovers, 47 minutes. Lakers win 89-84, win series 4-3.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Co Co Posted: Mar.18 at 12:38 pm
    ” My point is just; as good as Kobe is, although I don’t care very much for him” That is what this all comes down to.. I’m going to have to insist that each commenter start their first comment with a statement similar to this one so people don’t waste time trying to state facts and or make points to people whose mind’s won’t be changed.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    yes he did E, he sure did.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    People see what they want to see, that’s all I’m saying. I don’t even consider myself a Kobe (or, God forbid, Laker) fan, but to come right out and say that he doesn’t produce in the playoffs is ignorance on a level I can’t even comprehend.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    For some, Michael Jordan will always be a god who never failed, and Kobe will be a wannabe who never succeeded.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    *looks around*
    *steps forward*
    *begins slow clap for Russ*

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    So now we are going to have disclaimers for our comments? Coolness.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    so to stifle said ignorance, you counterpoint with insane MJ comparisons? Ok.

  • Michael

    Are still comparing Kobe to jordan? I thought the finals last year ended that.

    Anyway Kobe has consistently played amazing basketball in the Western Conference playoffs, only to take a step back in the Finals.

    He flat out destroyed the Kings and SPurs in 2001.

    His averages against the SPurs in 2001- 33.25pts on 61% shooting. 7asts 7rbs.

    He averaged 29.4 pts 7.1 rbs and 6.1 asts for the entire playoffs.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Yes, I’m using those statistics to point out that Kobe is better than Jordan. That’s exactly my point, and raison d’être.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Intellectual dishonesty is dishonesty in performing intellectual activities like thought or communication. Examples are:

    * the advocacy of a position which the advocate knows or believes to be false or misleading
    * the advocacy of a position which the advocate does not know to be true, and has not performed rigorous due diligence to ensure the truthfulness of the position
    * the conscious omission of aspects of the truth known or believed to be relevant in the particular context.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Michael, there was one person comparing Kobe to Michael…..not sure why either.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    It couldn’t be that I’m simply trying to point out the ridiculousness of “proving” a player’s worth based on two games despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    Moment of the night goes to LeBron making the crowd louder before his last free throw. Would have been embarrassing if he missed it haha.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Myles puts a comment out that perhaps 40 percent of the commenters could make heads or tails of….fabulous way of making a point.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Did this really happen here today? Again? Really?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I like how Eboy feels high and mighty reading Myles’ comments when one of them was directly right at him.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    I’m sure Myles’s comment was just an overcite.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Oh, and just in case Ryan wasn’t heard: KLove had 17 points and 19 rebounds.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Eboy-Lord of the Trolls.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Russ needs une autre raison d’etre if this is whats gonna be the result of this one.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Unlike you, Jukai….I know the trappings of Brown’s snide remarks….unlike you….I don’t cry to myself over them once they occur.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Sorry, B….your boy seems to bring out the best in those us who actually have free flowing thought.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    John Salmons had 38 points?! Does KG really mean THAT much to the C’s defense?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Wow!!! Amazing insults Eboy, I’m going to need some ointment for those sick burns you keep giving me.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Okay, slow down guys Kobe is clutch. Can somebody explain to me that game 7 against the Suns. I know that Chuck blasted him for that and then he went on TNT but didn’t really explain anything. What was the message he was trying to pass? I never got that one.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’ll be happy when the tourney starts tommorrow.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Charles Barkley blasting someone for not being clutch in the playoffs is like Amy Winehouse blasting someone for their drug use.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    @E:Apparently free flowing thoughts don’t include complete coherent sentences, “in those us who”.
    @Tad:Yes, you do remember the Celtics pre-07-08, right?

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Ditto Russ.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    haha, i knew the funny sarcastic Russ was yearning to burst out. Amy Wino indeed. Bravo.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Z: He had pretty much beat a team that was superior than them single-handedly for three games, and then in game six, Kobe tried the same method but failed in double overtime, and every media outlet in the world called him a ball hog. Kobe, to prove a point (and figuring that, with the Suns new strategy of letting Kobe shoot the hell out of the ball and guarding everyone else, the Lakers didn’t have that much of a chance) decided to not shoot the ball much. He wanted the world to see how bad his teammates were on the biggest stage, and he wanted to show everyone why he needed to hog the ball for the Lakers to succeed.
    Of course, this makes Kobe the biggest asshole on the entire planet, but that was pretty much the understood reason.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    can we move on from the mj/kobe debate. he’s not as good as michael and he hasn’t accomplished as much as michael (yet). michael does get a pass on a lot of things but there is really no comparison to be made. what can kobe do better than mj on a basketball court besides shooting 3s (which is not even his forté). i mean, come on guys. that debate is played out. let’s compare current superstars at least.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    B….typo insults?…..whatever bro…..you’re better than THAT, right?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Z….we were doing that until we were interrupted by trolls.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh wait, wait!!!! DISCLAIMER: That was sarcasm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    B Long: Don’t bother with Eboy today, bro, the paint chip eating habit has finally gotten the best of him.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    weid dude. if that was it, he should have gone all the way and said ‘blow this sh!t up’ through the media. but by not admitting to his intent after the game, he kinda just looked like some kind of basketball autistic.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I always miss the good sh*t.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai….perhaps, for you, and your incredibly stupid mind, I will do something interesting, yes? Pay attention.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    It better happen in ten minutes, I have people’s sh!t to fix at two.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “He’s still one of the guys that can make you cry if he’s on” Know who that’s referencing? No? Let’s continue.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Russ: he didnt blast him because he wasnt clutch. he blasted him because quitted on his team. i believe that there is a huge difference.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Russ: he didnt blast him because he wasnt clutch. he blasted him because quitted on his team. i believe that there is a huge difference.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’ll try to be quick then.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Everybody here is stupid.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    “Just shows your ignorance” “you simpleminded goof” “Get the f*ck out of here with that stupid sh*t” “Why is that so hard to see for the sheep that can’t make a path of their own in life” “Reason #3,087,934 why Jukai is an idiot” “you are maddeningly stupid” “You guys truly live in another world where basketball knowledge is nonexistent. ” “I wasn’t trying to be a nudge, Jukai…..look up at the comments for the last hour or so….I haven’t been involved in this reduntant bullsh*t for a while and don’t want to be back in it either.”

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    russ, he blasted him because he quitted not because he wasnt clutch.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    sorry for the double post

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “We all know Kobe can do incredible things on the court” Who wrote that?

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Z: He quit on purpose to prove some bizarre point. If you want to tell me that Kobe is weird, I’m with you. If you want to tell me that he’s completely insane, and should probably be the focus of a major case study, I’ve got no problem with that. But if you try and tell me he’s not clutch in the playoffs, well, I’m going to take issue with that.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Myles is making me think about an on-line restraining order….and were any of those directed at Kobe? Doubtful.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Eboy just got Ethered. Damn.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “I’m including Kobe in this talk because he is one of the top three or 4 players in the league” Hmmmm…..

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Eboy: why do you even bother wit the J-Gnat? Mr. Inferiority complex only knows the language of online insulting. Oh well, i guess you want to save the world one poor soul after the next. Much power to you man.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Not really, B….one sided ignorance is kind of comical from me…. and others.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    The point is still the same. None of that sh*t is productive. It creates a hostile environment and is absolutely unnecessary, especially considering your age. Why do it? If youre so intent on lording your age and intelligence over those younger than you, then why not behave like a mature and intelligent person?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “Kobe is not on a decline…..he’s just not as explosive to the basket as he was when he was 25. Pretty simple, no? ” Odd…..

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Hey Darksaber, if you want to get your mouth permanently grafted on Eboy’s ass, there is surgical procedures for you.
    I’m waiting to see something amazing come from Eboy but time has run out. Hopefully it’ll happen by the time I get back.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Same for you Jukai.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yes….Myles….I am the only person insulting anyone here. Or would you like me to site others who have done the same….just to make a point?And I never called my age into question as a way of me being smarter than somene……today…..be factual if you’re doing the insulting.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I was sidetracked by Myles, Jukai, my bad.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Certain people need to be told they’re useless sometimes myles. Jukai for example.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    “A wise man told me don’t argue with fools, because people from a distance can’t tell who is who”

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Yeah, you’re right Myles. I’m a great debater but I can be terrible at doing it in a timid, mature way. I got no beef with Eboy, I like him better than 90% of the people here. I have no idea why, but when the issue of Kobe comes up, people’re going to be screaming and name calling to prove a point.
    My bad, guys.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “It doesn’t belittle his really great work in the title years and the good work he did in the moments Jukai sighted” Not sure who wrote that either.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Myles, perspective. A lot of name calling has been done in these threads by commenters AND slam staffers. For instance, Khalid always argues that those who don’t accept his POV are idiots, sheeps, followers, don’t think for themselves, etc. Them’s the breaks.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    please try not to direct your filthy mouth in my direction Mr. J. I have nothing to say to you that you would be able to comprehend, since you are nothing but a frustrated insult spouting maggot. Go back to throwing your weight around online, mmmkay?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai, I believe you know I truly have love for you….regardless of our insults. No homo.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Pretty harsh, Dark.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Nice win by Bulls…no interest or time for Kobe debate today. cphfinest: check your emails…I’ve got a question for you.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Sigh. People can aruge til theyre blue in the face about whatever they want, apparently its inevitable. But to do so in such a high minded, yet low brow manner not only dilutes the points being made, it almost certainly drives other people who would otherwise be willing to join a discussion away. And that is the point in having a comments section.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    2000 Finals: Shaq – 38 points, 17 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 blocks. Kobe – 16 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists.

    2001 Finals: Shaq – 33 points, 16 rebonds, 5 assists, 3 blocks. Kobe – 23 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists.

    2002 Finals: Shaq – 36 points, 12 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks. Kobe – 25 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists

    2006 Finals: Kobe – tell me how my ass taste

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Save Darksaber, I hope no one ever takes the stuff I say here personally. I grew up in New York and Boston, so there’s just a fair share of shouting when I want to talk about even the most trivial of things. I think James is better than Kobe but Kobe deserves credit for being the best player in the NBA for the last four or five years. I feel people are belittingly Kobe just to counter-balance those who refuse to see the light that Kobe has dropped out of contention for “best player in the NBA.” It tends to bring about a very harsh effect on people who LIVE for hoops but also have very strong opinions on it.
    Okay, really gotta head out for the hour, I’ll be back

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I even love Bryan. He’s funny. Sort of.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I should clarify: Everybody except Kevin Love.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Ben must feel a principal walking in on a 6th grade class where the sub hasn’t shown up yet.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    The hero mentality in basketball that your superstar HAS to take the last shot at the end of a close game no matter how covered he is never really made sense to me. Why don’t coaches run their most effective play at the end of a game? 1-4 low with not even a high screen? that’s the best play?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    harsh E? Really? That cricket had no better insults to throw at me last weekend than to harp about my mother. On a bball site? Really? Naah, dude is nonexistent to me since then. I can josh around with the best of y’all, i can cuss with the best of em, but i’m not ever going to stoop that low. So no, wasn’t TOO HARSH!

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    ^Must feel “like”. Damn those free flowing thoughts!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    In all fairness, I do agree that the comment sections would be more enjoyable w/o the petty insults.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m just waiting for Cub’s piece on the NCAA tourney.

  • scott

    Kevin Love is fat.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Scott….you meant “PHAT”. You’re welcome, Jones.

  • scott

    Or maybe just big boned.

  • scott

    Atlanta and Miami is going to be a great first round match up.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Call him morbidly obese, I don’t give a f*ck. Just make sure you notice that he’s REAL close to averaging a double-double as a rook.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Temper, temper, Jones.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Ryan, if he does eventually average a double-double for the year, can you tell him I said, “nice double-double, fatty!”

  • scott

    Ryan stats are dumb.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I am L’ingOL at the idea of any of the people who’ve gotten the thread up to 300+ today telling ME to watch my temper.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I was aiming at sarcasm….apparently that’s dead too. Sorry.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    300? This MUST be SPARTAAA!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    No, Eboy, it’s not, but I’m starting to wish you were. I f*cking hate all of you.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    No, no. I kid. Probably.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    That’s actually the nicest thing someone said to me today. Thank you.

  • scott

    F*ck you too.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Great analogy, B. Where is cphfinest when I need him?

  • scott

    Derrick Rose for ROY. Rose may be entering the who is the best point guard debate sooner rather then later with Paul and Williams. 2012 USA backcourt will be stacked.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    That’s the spirit, Scott.
    I’ve now succeeded in getting people to stop talking about Kobe and LeBron for a full five minutes. My work here is done.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Who?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Isn’t Lebron the surname of the singer from Duran Duran?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    yeah, simon lebRon.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Guys look, Holly spends a long time writing this ish either late at night or early in the morning. It would be great if we didn’t have to turn it into a Kobe/LeBron debate like 4 times per week. There are a lot of interesting stories going on in the NBA and there’s no need to re-live this ish over and over and over and over and over and oh yeah over again. Talk about what Holly actually writes about; and maybe Ryne could work on posting a Kobe vs LeBron column everyday so people will have somewhere to go if they simply must say the same ish over and over and over and over again.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    Kobe is the poor man’s DWade.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    What is going on in here?
    I still don’t know what happened last night.
    Monta Ellis and Al Harrington not getting along? Twitter says so.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I really need a Twitter account.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Co Co just wants us to talk about the ATLiens. I’m not biting! :P

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I think I might get up on some twitter isht as well, I really don’t want to though.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Comments go on moderation when they have smileys in them (even if said smiley was not intentional). good to know.

  • Candice

    I was happy about the Bulls winnning but after reading Russ comments, I don’t feel so happy no more. Also I’m still backing Pax. We don’t know what he tried to do. If he would have gutted the team just to get those two players, who would be the players around them? It’s not like the Grizzles ever got far with Gasol and KG would have went to another situation with nothing around him. Would we be different with another coach right now? Maybe, but who else was out there.

  • http://www.kicksonfire.com Anton

    I find it dumb that it limits posts to short, chopped-up entries. On the other hand, I do wanna follow the real Shaq.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    charlie v on his twitter : About to take my nap, but I’m looking for some answers here, what’s the difference between halftime twitting and halftime interview?… see, that’s not entirely stupid right there.

  • scott

    @Candice…The Bulls would be much better off without Vinny. It is a shame they couldn’t get Mike to come to Chicago instead of New York. Imagine Rose in his system or Chicago as a team would be much better off playing seven seconds or less.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    F*ck twitter.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    I’m starting to feel the same way, Bryan.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I like how after the Lebron/Kobe thing had died down, Co Co, after participating in it, had to bring it up again. Cool beans *smiley*
    Also, I’m against this whole Twitter ban thing. I want MORE twitter. I want Charlie V to be twittering at halftime, after the third quarter, during subouts, during subins, and after a possible highlight play made by him and/or someone on his team. The people have to know!

  • Candice

    @Scott, Mike wanted more money and they sill have to pay Skiles. They still wouln’t be playing defense but I guess their offense would be much better.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    This is the age we live in where our lives are so uninteresting we have to watch every moment of a celebrities life or make nobodies famous because they’re on tv. Now we have to read about every douche taking a sh*t at halftimes or naps? Get real.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I love Shia.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    See? Bryan can be funny!

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    By 2010 people will be able to twitter with their brain!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m thinking this is why I haven’t bothered with Twitter yet.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I think SKO needs to move to Twitter form.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    It’s been discussed. E and Izzo actually have accounts already.

  • truthteller

    Kobe must really be greater than he is projected to be ’cause people just can’t avoid talking about him even when the topic at hand has nothing to do with him! Amazing!

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    ^weirdo

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    Is it over?
    Everybody into the pool…
    naked

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    That was the ‘whitest’ statement i’ve ever heard Allenp utter.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    and the gay’est

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Allenp is a gay white man?

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    So, y’all automatically think swimming naked is white and gay?
    I just thought it was relaxing…

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    Jukai
    The whole black guy thing is a charade.
    I actually love mayo, have five dogs and think granola is God’s gift to mankind.
    No I don’t…
    I drive a Cadillac on 34s, with six 15s in the back and license plate that says “HOODRCH.”

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Allenp: That was the perfect way to end my work day. Thank you.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Wade averaged 43.3 points on 53.8 percent shooting and also had 6.7 rebounds, 9.3 assists and 4.0 steals to lead Miami (36-30) during last week’s winning streak. Despite that, Wade failed to repeat as the league’s Eastern Conference player of the week, losing out to LeBron James………. how did wade not get player of the week?????????????????????

  • tizzle

    Eboy please shutup. They are just saying Lebron driving to the ring is a much better option considering his athletic ability and the refs calling a foul if you even look at him in an unpolite way.

  • http://www.hibiahi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    why do you h0es not comment like this for your big pimp, me?

  • http://nba.com tealish

    Tarzan: I don’t know. Maybe it’s to ease the public in on the fact that no matter what happens from here on out, the MVP will have LeBron’s name on it by season’s end. At this point, I think it’s pretty equal. I just don’t like the feeling that it’s (seemingly) not up for the taking.

  • Jackie Moon

    You know who isn’t a Kobe Hater? Lebron James. Take a look at who LBJ’s favorite player was when he was in the 11th grade: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/basketba/2002-05-08-all-usa.htm#teams

  • Nate James

    wow. howard did good today.
    its funny. “wade looking to play in all 82″
    then like 10 mins later.
    “wade sits out in loss”
    haha.
    still flash is mvp

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