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Thursday, March 26th, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  309 responses

The Post Up: Suns Shining

While Mike Taylor and Tony Parker are the brightest stars of the night.

by: Holly MacKenzie

Hello. Thursday. NCAA again. TNT night. Lots going on.

Two words for you. Two words, one name: Mike. Taylor. I think the SLAM energy was being felt by Taylor last night as he dropped 35 in MSG in the Clippers overtime win against the Knicks. His season average is 3.9 ppg, if you were wondering. Sunday, I spoke with Taylor for 10 minutes after the game (which will be posted today on my Court Surfing column if its the last thing I do!). I was the only reporter in the entire locker room who spoke two words to him. Last night at the Knicks/Clipps game, Matt Caputo spoke with Taylor pregame and again, was the only reporter to talk to him.

35 points later, he had his own media scrum. He knows what’s up though. SLAM can recognize talent when we see it. Loved to hear about those 35 points. Totally made my night.

About that final Dwight block against Pierce in the Orlando/Boston game… Anyone else think that might be a foul? I’ve only seen the highlight twice quickly, but I’m surprised that there wasn’t a call on that. If you saw the game, let me know. Good block, or non-call?

Also surprised to see the Nuggets take down the Hornets 101-88 until I saw the boxscore and realized New Orleans played without Tyson Chandler and Peja Stojakovic. The Nuggets were without Nene, who was serving game one of a two-game suspension for that headbutt in the game Monday night.

Manuuuuu was back last night, but it was all about TP, dropping 42 and 10. He’s pretty damn great and I never really give him his due.

29 points from Thaddeus Young in a Sixers win against the TWolves. They’ve been rolling as of late.

20 points and 7 assists for Jose Juan Barea in a Mavs win over the Warriors. Taking it, 128-106, the Mavericks remain three games in front of the Suns for that eighth spot in the West. Dirk Nowitzi had 26 on the night as Anthony Morrow led the Warriors with 29 off of the bench.

Went to the Raptors/Bucks game and was shocked to see the Raptors win, 115-106. This one was not nearly that close as Toronto led by 20 at the half and only allowed the Bucks to close the gap in the final minutes when the outcome had already been decided. The Raptors dropped 40 in the second quarter and shot 40 free throws compared to the 9 attempts for the Bucks. Six Raptors finished in double-figures, led by Chris Bosh’s 18 points, 14 rebounds and 5 assists. Anthony Parker scored 18 points as well while Jose Calderon had 19 points and 11 assists and Andrea Bargnani scored 23. The Bucks were led by 22 points from Richard Jefferson, 20 from Charlie Bell off of the bench and 18 points from Ramon Sessions.

My pick for eighth in the East lost to the Wizards last night. The Bobcats fell, 95-93 taking a hit in their hopes to make the postseason this year. While the Wizards dressed only eight players (but will have Gil come Saturday, if all news reports are correct), they had just enough to take down Charlotte. Antawn Jamison scored 27 points, Nick Young added 23 and Mike James and Andray Blatche each added 15. Gerald Wallace led the Bobcats with 21 points and 11 rebounds as Emeka Okafor and DJ Augustin each scored 15 points.

The Pacers took down the Heat 90-88 in a game that went down to the wire and came down to Dwyane Wade’s three-pointer at the buzzer that rimmed out. The Heat shot only 37% on the night and finished just 3-17 from beyond the arc. Dann Granger led the Pacers with 28 points while TJ Ford scored 20 points off of the bench, Jarrett Jack scored 13 points and Jeff Foster pulled down 16 boards. Wade finished with 21 points and 8 assists for Miami as Udonis Haslem scored 18 points to go with 14 rebounds in the loss.

Cavs playing at home against the Nets. Another win. 33-1 in Cleveland. Yup. 98-87. LeBron James finished with 22 points 11 assists and 8 rebounds, Mo Williams, Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Anderson Varejao scored 16 points apiece and Delonte West added 13 points and 9 rebounds. Vince Carter scored 20 for the Nets, Javris Hayes added 18 and Brook Lopez scored 9 points to go with 10 rebounds.

Spurs took down the Hawks 102-92. Tony Parker with 42 points and 10 assists, Roger Mason with 18 as the Spurs rest Tim Duncan. Joe Johnson scored 30 for Altanta as Flip Murray added 15 off of the bench.

The Magic held on to take down the Celtics, 84-82, despite scoring only 14 points in the fourth quarter. While Paul Pierce got inside with 3.8 seconds remaining, Dwight Howard was waiting and he blocked a shot that would have tied the game to give his Magic the W. He finished with 24 points, 21 rebounds and 4 blocked shots on the night as Rashard Lewis scored 21 and Hedo Turkoglu added 13. Pierce finished with 26 points for Boston as Ray Allen scored 16 points and Kendrick Perkins had an 11-point, 11-rebound night.

Grant Hill wants to make the playoffs and he’s doing everything he can to get there. Last night the Suns moved to within three games of the Mavs for the final spot in the West (with a game against the Mavs still remaining). Hill led the way in a 118-114 victory over the Jazz last night, scoring 26 points. Matt Barnes added 21 points and 9 rebounds, Shaquille O’Neal scored 12 points to go with 12 rebounds and Steve Nash added 12 points and 14 assists. Deron Williams had 25 points and 10 assists for the Jazz as Ronnie Brewer scored 17 and Mehmet Okur added 15 points to go with 12 rebounds in the loss.


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  • WhaHuh

    Tony Parker has been the best Spurs player this season

  • Myung

    Went to the game last night… I was very impressed with the ability of the Spurs to get wide open 3′s every single time down the floor. Either they are very efficient on offense, or the Hawks were just terrible on defense. Probably a mix of both. Regardless, the spurs deserved to win. We just lost to a much better team. We are good, but we’re easily a level below the League’s elite (too bad we’re playing two more of the League’s elite in the next 4 days).

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Suns on a 6-game winning streak. Amare who?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    The Spurs were even resting Duncan, Myung. That one had to sting a little.

  • Myung

    Roger Mason Jr was such a great pick up for the Spurs. I think he would’ve been a perfect addition to this young Hawks team. He was absolutely killing us from downtown last night. BTW, do the Hawks lead the league in goaltending? Josh and Al both got called for 2 each.

  • Myung

    Absolutely, Tad. It was a tough loss. the Spurs were coming off a close win the night before (while the Hawks were rested). And when I saw Duncan in street clothes, I thought we had a great chance to win last night (Manu was back, but he didn’t really do anything for the Spurs)… but we were terrible defensively, and the better team won. The spurs are a well oiled (albeit boring) machine. In addition, Acie was out with an injury, Speedy Claxton has been in a suit for the past 2 years, and Mike Bibby went to the locker room for stitches… so for about 10 minutes, we had Joe and Mario West playing point guard. That didn’t help the cause.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    What didn’t help the cause was them switching everytime on defense. Note to Woodson, Al Horford cannot guard Tony Parker. Za Za cannot guard Tony Parker. Tony basically practiced layup drills most of the night.Oh well, Hawks clinched a playoff spot last night so whatever.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Speedy Claxton?! I thought he retired.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I wish I had the ability to throw Eric Spoelstra under the proverbial bus on a whim.

  • riggs

    yes that was a foul on pierce that if it was kobe or bron it wouldve been called (you know thats true)

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    On the plus side for me, now I can constantly hold onto a safety blanket watching the Suns, but it don’t mean anything, because even if they win every god damn game after this, they still may miss the playoffs!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    No foul….just like Wade on Sunday against Stuckey.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    E, I think you just did.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Does anyone want to play the Cavs right now? I mean, it seems like they can do no wrong.

  • Fred34

    Who saw the Spurs game? And how did TP get his? All runners? He now has a secret 3 pt. weapon? That seems high for him no matter who’s hurt. Or did the Hawks forget to play D again?

  • Fred34

    Poor Grant Hill – all that hard work, most of it paying off, only to get an early exit come p-off time.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Fred, refer to my previous post.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’d like to get ahold of that rejuvenation juice Grant Hill has. What is he, 36? I’m guessing Tamia keeps him young.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I’m with Eboy. I only had one angle, but I watched it again and again, Dwight went straight up and Pierce TURNED TO AVOID DWIGHT, there was barely any contact at all, I don’t even know if Dwight caught the ball, much less any part of his hand.
    Good block.

  • Fred34

    Co Co, my bad

  • http://www.twitter.com/mansonovic Andy

    If I had to pick one player that I’d love to see win a ring before he retires, it would be Grant Hill. Just how good has been this season, considering?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Paul should have pulled a step back jumper instead of trying to make that play…it was not a smart play taking it right at one of the best shotblockers in the game…..and I think Doc is fu*king with Garnett’s psyche…not having him in a close game like that….just to monitor minutes? Stupid move….team needs to be on a ROLL going into the playoffs….not struggling from night to night to stay on the winning side.

  • Fred34

    Let’s hope Grant doesn’t become the poster child for nice guys finish last . . .

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ Moose

    Kevin Garnett works miracles.

  • Myung

    I actually thought Al Horford did a good job when he had to check TP 1 on 1, but that’s just me. It’s definitely not a favorable match up, but sometimes, those things happen (switches). In addition, Co Co, I think the reason we had so many switches was because of all the screens San Antonio uses. I don’t know if you play basketball, but when you’re playing against a team that plays pick and roll all the time (which the Spurs did ALL NIGHT, and did to perfection), you’re often caught in a situation where you’re guarding someone else’s man. I doubt it was intentional that our bigs were checking TP and Mason. I think it just ended up that way a lot of the time (thanks to the Spurs great offense). If you want to blame Woodson for something last night, I think it was once again his refusal to call a time out when the other team goes on a run. It seems like such a basic thing to do (to call a 20), but he just loves it when we let the team go on a 12-2 run before he stops the bleeding. I will never understand why Woodson constantly allows this to happen (it’s been going on for, what, 5 years now?).

  • thesubwayconnection

    Yeah, that block on Paul Pierce was clean, IMO. Dwight went straight up, and had the presence to try to avoid Pierce. If Pierce wasn’t so good at creating contact, there would’ve been nothing there.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    It also must have sucked for the Bobcats to lose to the worst team in the East since they are vying for that lasy playoff spot. Nick Young was hitting everything last night. The way the Pistons are playing, they will probably lose to the Wiz on Saturday.

  • http://www.twitter.com/mansonovic Andy

    Yeah, it kills me to say this, but everyone’s talking about the 8th spot in the East, when – with the slide the Pistons are on – 8th AND 7th might be up for grabs.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Especially when the CATS had a 20 point lead early.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I expect BETCATS to be on more drugs than normal when he eventually posts between classes.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    True enough. Nick Young played a huge part in that comeback. Also, it appears Gil is going to play Saturday. I’m thinking of going to that game.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    TAD: if you go, ask SLAM if you could do game notes about it. If they deny you, then twitter!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I don’t have Twitter. I guess I really should activate an account. I’m waiting to see if AI, Sheed, or Rip will be healthy.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Tony is really an underrated finisher. He almsot never misses layups (even incredibly difficult ones)and is able to get his shot off at crazy angles, utilizing spin and using the glass as well as ANYONE in the league. When dude is hitting his jumper, he is literally unguardable.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Nice to see Mike Taylor getting some serioyus burn and making the most of it. Granger balled out agsint Miami yesterday, and pretty much out played DWade, who has an (admittedly rare) off night. And Thad Young has been straight beasting recently, the Sixers are so muchg better without Brand, it not even funny.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm….all I know is I saw Tony go past Bibby late in the game that was just embarrasement in it’s purest form. Dude didn’t even move to try and make a defensive action. Turrible.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    ciolk…..let’s not be ridiculous…..Granger played decent….Dwyane shot like sh*t. He didn’t outplay him.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m not sure that the Sixers are “so much better” without Brand. I mean, he only had a handful of games to really get acclimated to the offense and his teammates. The Sixers get out and run a whole lot more without Brand in the lineup, but it’s not like Elton is a slow, plodding PF.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    CoCo hit the nail on the f*cking head. The Spurs just kept setting screens until they got Parker iso’d on Horford or Zaza. Normally when we get burned by opposing PGs it’s mostly Bibby’s fault, but last night it had more to do with coaching.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    The Sixers will be yet another first round sweep…so it really doesn’t matter who they face finishing from 6 to 8….they’ll be gone quick.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Wonderful day, 3 of my favorite players all had good to great games. Grant continues to prove that there IS a fountain of youth in Phoenix. Dirk (with loads of help from Barea & JET) spanked the depleted Warriors team, yep gotta do that if you wanna keep Phoenix at bay guys, good job. And Tony Toni Toné just tore the Hawks a new one with his 42. ANOTHER superb game in a season full of them from Mr. Longoria. Good times.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    The cross on Bibby in the open floor at the end was ridic. I beg to differ, TAD. Maybe Brand isn’t a slow, plodding big, but the Sixers used him like one. Watching his post offense was pretty brutal, they’d be much better off running pick and pop type stuff with him instead of trying to force feed the post. He gets swallowed up by bigger/longer/more atheletic interior defenders. I just think it was a terrible signing, and that with Brand in the lineup the Sixers lose the speed and atheleticism advantage they have now.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Also, Nick Young….what the deuce?? Dude is springy to the 10th degree. Wow.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Wade is not infalliable, E. He shot 5 for 24. FIVE for TWENTY FOUR. The second worst FG sooting night of his career. The only thing he did that grnager didn’t was get assists, and Wade basically plays the PG/distributor role for that team. Granger shot 50% hit threes, got the same number of steals as wade (3) and added 2 blocks. Dude is still working his way back from injury, but he led his team to a win, and IMO outplayed Wade.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    Where is BET? HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Nene was suspended for headbutting in Phoenix? Umm, can someone fill me in on this? Did he bring it to Shaq or was it that agitator Amundson who got hit?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Oh lord, James. You gotta provoke him like that? Good luck when he arrives.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    lol had too.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    …oops Wade had 4 steals to Granger’s 3. But my argument is the same.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’ll agree and disagree, ciol. I’ll agree that the Sixers coaches did not utilize Brand in the way they should have and it made both the player and the team suffer. I’ll disagree that Brand gets swallowed up by and defenders or that it was a bad signing. The only red flag in signing Elton was the fact he was coming off a knee injury. However, he checked out medically with both the Clips and the Sixers doctors and didn’t look the least bit hampered by it when he was playing earlier in the year. The injury he suffered was a freak shoulder disclocation from a fall. The problem was the way in which the Philly coached chose to implement him, nothing more. You can’t tell me that the Sixers can’t get out and run with Brand in the lineup. It doesn’t appear to be affacting the Suns with Shaq.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    Charlotte BOBcats should make a trade. Help for a playoff run … next year!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    AffEcting either….

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    You win the dum dum of the day award, ciolk, and that’s pretty hard considering a) it’s still early in the USA b)Jukai has been posting consistently and c)James just got here. Wade shot like you and still had the game in his hands and rimmed out a potential winning shot…which would have overshadowed his sh*t shooting night if it went down. I know he’s not infalliable and you know I love you….but that’s a big jump you’re making there.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Man, when Nick Young gets hot he makes scoring look insanely easy. I really love that kid’s talent, he needs to round out his game a little more, but dude can straight fill it up.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Some quick thoughts: Love what’s going on in Phoenix, Grant has started sipping the same stuff as Shaq. They don’t even need Amare and his offense-only self. That play on Paul wasn’t a foul, he called it himself (something like): “the way the game was called, no that wasn’t a foul, I should have taken a short jumper instead”. All the greats come out in MSG Kobe, LeBron and Mike Taylor?. Nice to see A. Morrow still got it, was starting to wonder where he went after those early season explosions. That Barea dude is on tough little elf. I’ll never like his style (except when it comes to women) but TP is one of the best players in this L, without a doubt. Bobcats shouldn’t be dropping games against D.C. BETS’ health (physical, the mental already went AWOL) is at stake. As good as Wade has been, he really stunk last night, so that he accumalated 21 and 8 really surprised me – that’s a sign of a truly great player, even though he has a bad game he still get more than respectable numbers. LeBron is more like Oscar by the game, I don’t rate Mr. Hollinger highly, but must admit that his daily dime the other day talking about LeBrons season was a interesting read, then again I’m a fan so unlike all the objective Kobe fans I’m biased.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    It was one game, E. I’m not saying Granger is the better player. I saw the last second shot that rimmed out, VERY close to going down. Still, Granger, at less than %100, led his inferior team to a win gainst a tough Miami sqaud, while putting up very solid numbers. We can agree to disagree here, I know Wade is your dude and you gotta stick by him.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    And, yeah I’m really happy for Grant Hill. How much time is left on his deal? He’d look pretty great in Silver and black. Matt Barnes has been playing well too,The Spurs would be much better off had they signed either Barnes or Pietrus in addition to Roger “hipslap” Mason.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    What up Eboy! Wade didn’t play good last night. WHat is up with that?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    LZ: couldn’t have put it any better, i kinda still give TP a hard time when talking with my friends about the Nba players, but he IS incredible on offense. wiry, tough, speedy joueur, that one. (and i must admit liking him more when i saw a very down to earth interview last summer on french tv where his whole family showed up to talk about the boy with the host. He was all “awww shucks” guys). But you know, that wife of his…just can’t bring myself to let go of the envy..

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Wade seems a little nicked up as well E, any local word as to the seriousness of that issue with his hip?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Here comes the Herd..

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Agree Dark, I would give my one good meniscus to tap Mrs. Desperate just once.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    TP is easily a top 5 point in the league, and maybe the best pure scoring point. I’m clearly biased, as I get to watch him play so much, but his offensive game is so efficient and he really has been racking up the assists this season, more so than in recent years.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Eva looks like a mouse. There are hotter women who work in my office. Well, one.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Eva Longoria is way overrated.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Can I say something to all of you guys in confidence (you know we are all kind of like on-line brothers or retarded cousins)without you blabbing it to the rest of the on-line world? You know I’m in tune with the Heat like no one else on here, right? And I don’t miss a minute of action throughout a season? Here’s the thing….Wade’s legs are starting to get tired. For real. He’s shown signs in a few recent games…..he needs some time on the bench…not to rest injuries….but to rest himself for the playoffs. If this becomes a story in the next wekk or two and you see it being reported somewhere else….remember I told you first. Last night showed it to a point…..check his stat line tomorrow….if he has that same sort of night….you’ll know I’m on to something. The carrying of a franchise is starting to get to him.

  • scott

    Who the hell is going to challenge the LA Lakers out West this year? I’m afraid they are going to run right though the West.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    I agree Eboy.

  • scott

    Dallas is horrible. Utah is falling apart. Denver and New Orleans are not for real. Houston doesn’t really scare me in the playoffs. San Antonio could but Manu is all banged up. My hopes are in Portland. I’m not sure of the seeding but perhaps Portland could give LA a scare if Oden can stay on the court.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m pretty sure you aren’t the first person to come to that conclusion, E.

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan13

    Holly, is it just me or do the Raptors have a new in-house announcer

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Kobe and Lebron have had the luxury of sitting out many 4th quarter blowouts because of the strength of theirTEAMS…..I think Dwyane may have had that same thing occur once this season.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    I also agree with TAD. And Scott … Houston scares us. But the Lakrs are coming out of the west. Even with Bynum out. But he WILL be back. I guarantee it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Utah is falling apart?! Didn’t the Hornets make the Western Conference Finals recently? Denver has a true PG and leader for the first time in years. Houston finally hass some toughness about them. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, Scott.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    E.V.A looks like a mouse. Ciolk, i don’t even have a comeback. Flabber…gasted!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    No TAD…..but it still hasn’t been picked up by the major media outlets cause now it’s all about making Lebron’s case for the MVP. If he falls short in another couple of close games against less than ominious opponets….it will become a story is all I’m saying.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    No playoffs for the Bobcats! Yay, James Harden sweepstakes, here we come!

  • scott

    Is it just me or do the Lakers play better without Bynum? Bring Bynum off the bench keep Odom in the starting lineup.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Ciolkstar; Always had a thing for Minnie too. Cool that you have hotter women working in your office, I have hotter women working my nuts. Still I think there’s something very special about Longoria; I bet she knows her craft better than Tony knows his.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “Cool that you have hotter women working in your office, I have hotter women working my nuts.” That was the line of the week.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    BET is in the house, ladies and gents. Now if you would reach down and make sure your 6 point belts are securely fastened… we can get this show on the road.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    BET… there he is!!!! Good game from the Cats last night …

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Did Lz just write that? Ok, THAT’s a good comeback.

  • scott

    @BET you would much rather your team get DeRozan then Harden. DeRozan will be light years ahead of Harden in the League.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    E; Always happy to amuse.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Anyone who said Dwight Howard needs fundementals, and cannot beat the Celtics by dunking on them, WAS WRONG AND I WAS RIGHT!!

  • Fred34

    Why do you think he gets injured? He’s not “prone” – he’s carrying too much of a heavy load for too long. Tell that coach to get some young-uns to step up before he get injured again (for real).

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    LZ just made my week.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    The Cat on last night’s game v. Washington “They had heard of Ed Gein, the man in Plainfield, Wisconsin, who was arrested in the late 1950s for killing his neighbor and on whom the movie ‘Psycho’ was based. So when they set out to write this movie, they decided to have a family of killers who had some of the characteristics of Gein: the skin masks, the furniture made from bones, the possibility of cannibalism. But that’s all. The story itself is entirely made up. So, sorry folks. There never was a massacre in Texas on which this was based. No chainsaw either. And, in spite of those of you who have told me you remember when it happened, it really didn’t happen. Really. Believe me. This is an interesting phenomenon. I’ve also had people tell me that they knew the original Leatherface, that they had been guards at the state prison in Huntsville, Texas, where he was a prisoner. Maybe they knew somebody who dreamed of being Leatherface. It is, I suppose, something to aspire to.”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Referencing the Texas Chainsaw Massacre is awesome.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    whu….? Ed Gein? Texas Chainsaw…what the?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Referencing me referencing the Texas Chainsaw Massacre is even more awesome.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    TCM that is a good movie(the original one).

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    OMG, Its firefly’s adventure!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Ohh and fellas, about the women. True story.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    I as in Irma

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    U as in Up yours

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Irma? That’s the name of a famous supermarket around these parts.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    BETCATS: Actually, for real, you were right. People give Dwight REAL CRAP about not having offensive moves, but the dude works SO WELL without the ball that it’s scary. He spins around great, backdoor cuts are always there, always time the alley-oops perfectly, very fast pick-and-roll player for his size, always has his hands up perfectly… sure he has no post moves and can’t hit a jump shot five feet away from the basket, but saying the dude has no offense is just ignant.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    What woman?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Aww, Lz, you just spoiled the coolness factor of your “nuts” statement with your last one. Still a great line though.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Bob Johnson’s daughter likes horses. I am notoriously known as The Black Stallion. Me and her should f*ck sometime in the future. B@reback. (if this doesnt get me banned i am very disapointed)

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Jesus, BET. Hara Kiri much?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    BET is doing a good job of trying to top LZ’s statement.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “Bob Johnson’s daughter likes horses. I am notoriously known as The Black Stallion. Me and her should f*ck sometime in the future. B@reback. (if this doesnt get me banned i am very disapointed)” I think that trumps Lz’s previous comment of the week.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Jesus, BET, in the same sentense. I feel like Micheal Jackson accepting what he though was the ‘Pop artist of the millineum award’, and it really wasnt. Awkward!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Whatever Dark, like I said true story. And yes I do like to brag. Incredible BETS! Just incredible!

  • matt the jazz fan

    agree with tad, utah, if anything, is the opposite of falling apart, it’s getting its players back… but will it be too little too late. the top 9 in the west is brutal. though the lakers are indeed the class of the west. sort of like cle+bos+orl are the collective class of the east.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    And yes, I agree with Jukai about Dwight. Actually, his post moves aren’t too bad, either. He is actually pretty adept with his left hand now.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    So i was using my hands for doing this thing called typing, then i realized ‘hey i can type with one hand and do stuff with the other’. So now i am typing this with my right hand and flicking off the monitor with my left hand. People in this class find my comments insane, so i am feeding into it by going insane.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Hello Brookyln, how you doing? I like Staten Island girls better!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    As good a game as Howard had vs. Boston, he still didn’t have a single point in the 4th. Orlando are a class below Cle & Bos because of Hedo being their best option down the stretch.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I agree that Dwight is great without the ball (that spin to get free for the oop last night was crazy) and is clearly improving offensively. But if he had a serious post up game, a la Shaq, TD or even (sorry) Brook Lopez, the Magic could probably be favorites to win it all.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Milk carton: Josh Howard

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    LZ: I do recall Orlando beating Boston. Memorably. Not saying they’d beat Boston in a seven game series, but a class below? Little harsh.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    doing a 180 back to seriousness, who says Howard needs a post game, he can just jump over you. If Yao Ming played like Dwight Howard, he would be the greatest player of all time.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I was expecting BET to write he was using his free hand for stroking his meat.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    BETCATS: So, if Yao Ming could get his feet off the ground, you mean?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Jukes; they beat Boston pretty much without Garnett. Gotta go, but let’s continue it some other time. Tchau fellas.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Eboy: The ‘CATS lost last night. He’s going to be flacid for the rest of the day, at the very least.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    i dont get why people say soft players need to play more in the paint and dunk on people (aka Dirk) and dunkers need to play out of the paint (aka Dwight). In the ice cream business you have soft serve and hard serve, their is no ‘medium serve’. Why cant it be that way in basketball? And since we are talking about basketball-ice cream comparisons: Adam Morrison is a milk shake.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Later LZ, have fun with your made-up model girlfriends!

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Jukai with the double burn! Very nice work!

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    no, Jukai told the truth about me. Even Jessica Alba bending over in front of me wouldnt get me hard. Turrible loss last night. Turrible!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    Um, WAY too much testosterone flying around here. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Hey now Cheryl, why does the thought of Jessica Alba bending over make you uncomfortable?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    For the love of Vishnu, Dirk is not soft! being the main option on an nba team for years on end and being the focal point of all opponent’s defensive schemes and delivering more than not, does not earn you the label “soft”. come on BET.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    Jessica Alba? Meh.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Smh @ talk of made up girlfriends working nuts and being hotter than Eva. Blasphemy.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Jessica Alba > Your team losing to the Wizards.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Dark: soft as in he prefers a jump shot over physical contact. That’s a valid assumption, no? I’d take Dirk over any other power forward in the league not named Duncan and Garnett, soft to me isn’t bad like it is other people.
    Kobe is playing soft recently. For real.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    WHAT is going on today? These blasphemous remarks are killing me: Eva = mouse? J-Alba = meh? Meh? next thing you know, Megan Fox = skanky (oh wait, that one might still prove to be accurate).

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    There was a year and a half period where Dirk was better than Duncan and Garnett. Yeah, there it is!

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Oh, ok Juk’s. But to be perfectly clear, he has one of the top 10 deadliest shots in Basketball, as a 7 footer. I’d avoid the bloody elbows, hips and forearms too if i could swish off-leg fadeaways over anyone. That being said, he was more aggressive in terms of driving in the past, but i guess that’s age for ya.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Dark: I do have one more criticism about his game. He doesn’t LEAD well. He barks at his teammates out of frustration a lot, but doesn’t really tell them anything uplifting, just barks and then complains. I don’t care about his inside game or his post game. He’s a WAY underrated passer and he gets the rebound numbers one way or the other.
    But the fact that he can’t LIFT his team up, but just complains about it to the media upsettingly, that I think separates him from amazing to legendary. If he could lead, he really would be a legendary power forward. Since he can’t, it puts him back a bit.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    I’m totally with you on that, although he has piped down the last year or so (thanks for the sobering effect Beijing/Chris Kaman).

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Though if anyone could name 15 power forwards who are better than Dirk in the history of the NBA, I’d be impressed

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Oh don’t get the Dirkbasher’s started, Jukai. That was an open challenge for them to try.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I just realized that Orlando, by virtue of them beating the C’s last night, have the #2 seed in the East now. That would mean, if things stayed the same, they would play the Pistons in the 1st round. Someone may want to remind Van Gundy that the Pistons have the Magic’s number. However, i’m pretty sure these standing won’t last.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I guarentee once people run out of names, Dennis Rodman will be dropped at least ONCE

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Jukai… Obviously there are 15 power forwards better than Dirk.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    It doesn’t mean he’s not good, though. Because he is.

  • D12FSU

    that was a good block by Howard…they way the refs were calling that game, it wouldnt have been fair to actually call that a foul in the final seconds. ALSO dwight jumped straight up and down….so P-double actually jumped into him

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Dirk has played great recently. That is all.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Teddy: Name ‘em. Go ahead. Try.

  • scott

    @Jukai

    1. Karl Malone
    2. Bob Pettit
    3. Tim Duncan
    4. Charles Barkley
    5. Kevin Garnett
    I can’t think of ten let alone 15.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Cavs set a franchise record for most wins. Home court, here we come!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Duke vs. Villanova tonight. The sharply dressed Jay Wright will take down the AMEX rat boy!

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    2nd seed Orlando vs 7th seed Detroit would be a great playoffs series.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    James and Wade have been getting equal burn this season. about 38 each. i think the fatigue comes from the way he scores, it takes more out of him because the heat don’t have a clue. lebron will sometimes ride a hot hand and kinda take a backseat esp. early in games. he has the luxury of setting up Z or Mo early then taking over later. you’ll see him go into the 4th q with 10-12 points and end up with 25 or so. wade has to be ON from the jump or else that’s a L for MIA. that’s just my impression though.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Mo Williams = Scottie Pippen

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    If they wind up with LeBron, Zach says he can understand moving him. But Chris Bosh? “I’m better than Chris Bosh,” he said. Told that line will make headlines, Zach gave a dismissive wave and said, “I’d tell him to his face.” Newsday

    Wow. Can’t even think of anything clever. Zach is such a effin lunatic!

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Zach Randolph? Zach Effron?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Rumors in Cleveland that Big Ben might not even be in the rotation when he comes back. He’d take the 5-10 mins a game that JJ and Darnell share and move behind Joe Smith.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Z: Doubt it. Cleveland has been having some defensive woes recently, and Big Ben will take care of that right away. I think it’ll be situational: You need defense, Ben goes in. You need offense, Joe goes in.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    How deep is Cleveland… Two point guards, two shooting guards, Lebron, two power forwards, two centers. All of them could be starters on most teams. Ridiculous.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Well, he could always prolong his injury until whispers of him coming off the bench are gone. It’s working for Iverson.
    I’m quite certain he’ll remain in the starting 5, if for no other reason than initial bursts of defense. He rarely plays full quarters and is not on the floor during close games but at least gives the Cavs’ D a bit more heft. I want to see Joe Smith incorporated more, as he slowly is, but moreso come playoff time.
    Still, the extra rest Ben is getting is a blessing in disguise so he could be rested for the playoffs.
    Delonte’s wrist seemed to be better last night too, it’s been nagging him all month (after dropping 25 on the Pissed Ons in his return).

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    They go 10 deep easily and the 11th and 12th guys have proved they can play (Kinsey and JJ). The only thing is that Boobie is not a really 1. Delonte is essentially the back up 1, that’s why he’s never on the bench at the same time as Mo. Sasha was a starter for them when they got to the Finals and now he’s their 10th (!) man.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    imho, it will be Delonte, Mo, Lebron, Ben, and Big Z in the starting five every game. Gibson and Wally will be the backup guards that will sub in every time Delonte or Mo leave (you will rarely see both Mo and Delonte on the bench at the same time). Ben will START games to bring up defensive intensity but Joe Smith will get the majority of his minutes. Big Z and Varejo will split evenly at first but as the playoffs go on, except to see Z more and more. Sasha will pick up Lebron’s minutes on the bench.
    The rest of the time will be a couple of minutes for JJ and Darnell replacing guard/forward respectively.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’m really worried about an injury to Delonte. LeBron is just so teflon, I don’t even worry about him. D-West does so much for this team… he scores, defends the best perimeter dude, plays the 1 for the second unit… They can get by with an injury to any other guy besides LeBron (even Mo, West would just slide to the 1 for a couple of games).

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Damn, Z sorta beat me to it on a lot of points.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Jukai: I’ll post a few as I think of them.
    Willis Reed
    Dave Debusshere

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Teddy: Reed played center. I don’t think the dude ever spent time at the four.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Kevin McHale.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    No no, Reed started out at Power Forward, then changed his game up to Center.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Wikipedia told me :D

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Anyways, this is going to be tough. But I’ll try lol.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Fail, Willis Reed is universally recognized as a center. If we want to play this game, take away Duncan because that dude plays the 5 all the time.
    Kevin McHale and Dave Debusshere I both recognize and accept.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    I think we’re starting to get healthy at the right time. With injuries galore after the new year, we’ve still kept on winning, sometimes without 3 starters.
    And lol @ Jukai: JJ’s getting zero minutes in the playoffs. Unless Mike Brown is a madman (not hard to see). I’m more worried about the coaching than anything. This has been an ugly 10 game win streak where we played down to teams and have not given our starters proper rest in the 4th. I really hope Brown is taking a page from Pop’s book and keeping the cards to his chest come playoff time, but it’s still frustrating. Yes, Mike Brown, LeBron dribbling 30 feet from the basket while the rest of the guys stand around is really going to open up some great plays! Ugh. We gotta play faster and go in the post, something we’ve done the last few games which is good.
    Lastly, we can’t do it without Wally.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    Deron Williams needs to learn how and when to be selfish. Last night he was absolutely toying with Nash when he wanted to on the offensive end and he literally could’ve dropped at least 45 if he had stayed aggresive. I understand you have to keep your teammates involved as a point but you also have to recognize huge matchup advantages and exploit them and Deron could’ve done a much better job of that last night.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    LOL obviously Willis is recognized as the starting center, but he did play power forward a lot in his earlier days. But w/e

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Oh and Austin Carr = best announcer ever. “L-Train throws the hammer down DEEP in the Q! Ho-hohhh” *orgasms*

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Willis Reed made the All NBA team as both a forward and a center multiple times.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    1.Tim Duncan, 2.Kevin Garnett, 3.Karl Malone, 4.Charles Barkley, 5.Shawn Kemp, 6.Chris Webber (maybe), 7.Kevin McHale, 8.Larry Bird (he did make All NBA as a PF multiple times), 9.Elvin Hayes, 10.Willis Reed (same), 11.Bob Petit (who f*cking knows.)

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Cleveland can ABSOLUTELY do it w/o Wally. Sasha actually offers more to the team with his dribble drives and defense. What’s up with JJ though? He has more talent but Darnell has snatched his minutes. Lack of focus? Weak D?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Wes Unseld
    Jerry Lucas
    Larry Johnson
    Elvin Hayes

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Anton: I sort of meant JJ as getting the like, two mintues at the end of the game to get a +3 suck or if they need Darnell at the end of the quarter because Ben played a lot but they still want defense. You know, just the garbage guys. He wont get meaningful minutes.
    I also agree, Carr is fantastic. GET THAT WEAK STUFF OUTTA HERE.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    Oh yes, one other observation from last nights Suns/Jazz game. I was wondering why Louis Amoundson had been getting repeatedly beat the fu(k up in the middle of games recently, then I saw him kick Paul Millsap in the jewels on consecutive plays and it all made sense. But for real, Louis deserves some love in Slam. Everytime I watch this guy play I think he’s having the game of his life and that’s happened about four times this year. I’m not sure if it’s just because he’s the only dude who slides his feet and contests shots on his team or if he really is hustling but dude seems like a hardworker to me.

  • scott

    Larry Johnson no way. That’s a joke right.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    KG before Malone and Barkley? Ain’t no way.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Wes Unseld is a center. Larry Bird is a small forward. Forgettabout that!
    I didn’t think of Shawn Kemp and Larry Johnson. That’s approaching 15.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Scott: I’ll accept people who are “arguable.” Shawn Kemp and Larry Johnson are arguably not as good as Dirk, but they arguably are, so I’ll take ‘em.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Lol I was kidding about the Wally thing. Still disappointed we didn’t trade him for someone.
    Sasha has been the worst player this month and that’s saying a lot considering we’ve been playing a supposedly injured Boobie.
    JJ just isn’t producing results. He’s raw potential with no real time on the floor to mature this season. Darnell is a decent replacement for his limited minutes, Kinsey’s been okay with his limited time as well. I don’t know, many are saying we’re sitting on the next Dwight Howard but I remain skeptical until he produces.

  • scott

    Larry Johnson had two good years before he f*cked up his back.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Oh yeah, thanks Myles. Almost forgot about Shawn Kemp. We’re getting close, Jukai!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Dude this is fun.

  • scott

    Dirk Nowitzki will be a guaranteed Hall of Famer. Can the same be said about Kemp and Johnson? No it can’t. They don’t count.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    True that, Jukai. I imagine they’ll get a few garbage time minutes at home and Big Ben would be on at away games. Plus, Joe Smith is underrated.
    Eenie meenie miney Mo Williams from DEEP DEEP in the Q!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    wtf scott, that has nothing to do with anything. We’re talking about prime. And these things are “arguable”.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Scott: Well, for the sake of giving them props (because I totally forgot about Johnson and Kemp), they need to name one more PF who you can ARGUE is better than Dirk and I’ll give it to them.
    As I said, Dirk is better than Larry and Shawn. But I would understanding people thinking otherwise.

  • scott

    I might give you Kemp in his prime. However, there is no way Larry Johnson is better then Dirk.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Aaaaah… Who else?
    Derrick Coleman. (very, very arguable). Potential wise!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Maybe Amare Stoudemire when healthy.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I’m really upset that no one’s mentioning a former NBA MVP…

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I will probably be back later. Lunch time!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Bob McAdoo

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Moses Malone

  • scott

    Nowitzki is a top ten power forward hands down no questions asked.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Teddy got it with McAdoo.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I think ya’ll are really sleeping on the Reignman.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Reignman? You coin that yerself, TAD?

  • scott

    @Tad I don’t think so you could agrue Kemp was better in his prime but if you look at their whole careers from start to finish Nowitzki is better.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    JJ being the next Dwight Howard is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in a loooooooooong time.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Was that sarcastic, Jukai, or you just didn’t know his nickname?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Um, i’m not sure I buy that Scott. I’m not looking at numbers, just sheer dominance during a period in the league. I know Dirk is good, but I would take Kemp on my squad 10 times out of 10.
    -
    And no Jukai, that has been Kemp’s nickname since forever. Or were you being sarcastic?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Kemp = Very impressive hightlights, good but not great stats.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Z beat me to it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm….I’d take Kemp in his prime over Dirk in his prime any day. Why? They both reached an NBA Finals….Kemp’s squad won two games against peraps the greatest one season squad ever…..Dirk lost 4 in a row against a nowhere near that level Heat team with one incredibly hot player.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Z, Kemp was much more than highlights, trust me.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *perhaps

  • scott

    The refs helped in beating Dallas too.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh….and Kemp played like a POWER forward…not a 7 footer with small forward skills.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Here’s a 20 list I wrote up in two minutes without thinking. Feel free to crucify me, as my two minutes of thought clearly weren’t enough because number 18 clearly deserves to be in the 17 spot and so on:
    1. Tim Duncan
    2. Karl Malone
    3. Bob Pettit
    4. Charles Barkley
    5. Kevin Garnet
    6. Kevin McHale
    7. Elvin Hayes
    8. Bob McAdoo
    9. Dave DeBusschere
    10. Jerry Lucas
    11. Chris Webber
    12. Dirt Nowitkzi
    13. Connie Hawkins
    14. Tom Chambers
    15. Shawn Kemp
    16. Spencer Haywood
    17. Rasheed Wallace
    18. Jamaal Wilkes
    19. Amare Stoudemire
    20. Larry Johnson

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hmmmm….I think Eboy will have some words for you shortly, Scott.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I think we’re somewhere close to 15. Regardless, Dirk IS a lock for HOF. So congrats to him.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And really, is Dirk anything more than a SF trapped in a big man’s body?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I try not to pay attention to people that post in gray.

  • scott

    I’m just saying the refs should have been the co-MVP with Wade in the 06 Finals.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Not a bad list at all, Jukai. I’d move a few names around myself, but pretty thorough.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    How you don’t have Dennis on the list is inexcusable.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Cool list, Jukai. Though I don’t agree with some of the ordering.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Did Jukai really write Tom Chambers? Seriously?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Good catch, E.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Oh yeah, in my opinion Dennis Rodman is possibly better than Dirk. Rodman is better at what he does than Dirk is at what he does.

  • scott

    Nice list. Now do it for point guards.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Could we combine Dale and Antonio Davis to take up a spot?

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I was wondering when people were going to say that Dennis Rodman, who couldn’t score, couldn’t block shots, couldn’t not get suspended, etc. etc., deserves to be on this list. Wow. Fantastic! 17 rebounds a game and NOTHING ELSE really is so great, like, all-time. I was just WAITING FOR IT.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    A combination of Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason could crack the top 20.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    TAD, I was there, I’m not THAT young. The Kemp-GP days and all. Dirk is a better player than Kemp and I hate Dirk. It doesn’t matter how your PF scores as long as he’s gonna board for you. I remember people questioning Kemp’s offensive repertoire, he had to prove that he was much more than a dunker. Kemp was that dude but he wasn’t a bucket getter. You can throw it Dirk and say go get buckets. Couldn’t do it with Kemp.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Actually, because they were on the Knicks, I obviously like them better than Dirk.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    The only thing Dennis Rodman cracks is another man’s ass, not a top twenty list. GTFOH.
    I already have a point guard written up somewhere in my computer for another argument, sadly. If I can remote into the damn thing, I can grab it. I’m not writing it up as I don’t feel like gathering the names.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    It’s ridiculous to say that Rodman is better than Dirk but he was more than rebounds. He played lockdown defense too.

  • scott

    @Jukai by 2016 Ricky Rubio will be well entrenched in your top 20 point guard list.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Couldn’t block shots? Couldn’t score? Are you fuc*king kidding me, you dreg to society? You do know Dennis has 5 rings right……each one of them where hea was a MAJOR contributor to each right? Here’s something you should be familiar with…..Wikipedia that sh*t or whatever ghey activity it takes for you to try and figure out what possibly the best defending PF did in his career. I’ll wait.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And Dennis was an incredibly efficient passer, especially while working in the triangle with the Bulls. And his basketball IQ and his heart trump Dirk and about 17 of the other guys on your list 20 fold. Keep your fingers at bay when you try and think, Jukai. It’s not a good look for you.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Eboy:
    7/13/2/.7/.6
    This guy was a WARRIOR. ALL SEVEN POINTS AND LESS THAN A BLOCK A GAME.
    Decent field goal percentage because his coaches forced him not to take shots unless he was right under the basket.
    58% free throw shooting throws his range.
    And yeah, those five rings he had where he was a starter on teams with ISIAH THOMAS, JOE DUMARS, AND BILL LAIMBEER or -MICHAEL JORDAN-, SCOTTIE PIPPEN, AND TONI KUKOC.
    Robert Horry has nine rings. Guess he should be what, eight on this list?

  • scott

    Rodman wasn’t that much of a contributor in his last championship season (during the playoffs). He was a shell of himself in the playoffs and Pippen was injured. Jordan willed that team to a title.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’m with you, E, as long as you’re not implying that Rodman is better than Dirk. A better fit to certain teams, yes. Better? No way.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Let’s see…….only two other guy’s on Jukai’s list have multiple titles not named Dennis and they’re both sure fire Hall Of Famers and one played limited D. Yeah..Dennis doesn’t belong.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Efficient passer? He cracked three passes a game ONCE. Logging 35 minutes a game. He passed -DECENTLY- on the fast break. Terribly in half-court.
    Dreds of society? Mef.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    As for an actual argument, Dennis Rodman was a two time DPOY and one of the only players to win back to back titles on multiple teams. He held down Shaq for an entire series in 96 and might have been the Finals MVP that same year. He wouldnt be very high because he completely abandoned his offensive game-which did exist early in his career-but he does crack a top 20 list.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I’ll repeat: Robert Horry has nine rings. Guess he should be what, eight on this list?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Naw, Z, as a scorer Dirk’s got him……everywhere else…..Dennis would have made Dirk cry. Without a doubt.

  • nate james

    suns will make it! mark my words.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Myles is smart. And handsome.

  • scott

    Rodman liked Pearl Jam. So that has to get him in the top 20.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Rodamn AVERAGED 19 boards a game in 91-92. Goddamn! At 6’7 may-be!

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Dennis was a fantastic one-on-one defender. That’s it. You have a great point Myles, two time defensive player of the year, but Ben Wallace has twice as many DPOY with no offense and no one considers him top 20 material. Dennis Rodman landed on legendary teams with legendary top ten best players on each. Yes, he’s a great cog in a great system. But, well, he’s not top 20 material in my books.
    Thank you for your logical arguments Myles, it is appreciated.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    The difference between Robert Horry and Dennis Rodman is that while they both were beneficiaries of great teammates, theres a solid argument that Dennis Rodman was the defensive backbone of two separate repeat champions. Of course Scottie held sh*t down, but again, Dennis Rodman effectively held down Shaq, Zo, Shawn Kemp and more than a few others every year in the playoffs. Tell Robert Horry to do that.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Z: He was the best rebounder of his age. He was one of the best one-on-one defenders ever.
    He was a sucky scorer, no range, above-average basketball IQ but poor decision making ala Rasheed Wallace, below average passer (forget you Eboy…) and he really didn’t know how to block shots. He didn’t. He probably was one of the best leapers in the game, yet he never averaged over a block. He did average over three fouls a game though. So he sure did go for them.
    Look at everyone on that list and they can are strong go-to guys. Could you imagine Rodman being on a team like Memphis? He’d be keyed up on every play and be obliterated.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm….you’re saying Dennis didn’t play help defense, while palying on two of the greatest defensive squads (Pistons & Bulls) of all time? You’re saying that? Really.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Does Rodman at his peak completely shut down Dirk at his peak? I’d say probably. Is that relevant? Can’t decide. Rodman was basically shutting down everybody and their moms. Didn’t mean he was the best pf in the L in his prime.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    ‘above-average basketball IQ but poor decision making’ How!? I remember Rodman as always making the correct play.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Myles: Once again, good point, although bigs with range (ala Ewing) abused him more often than not.
    My big draw with Rodman is that he really REALLY had no scoring game. He’d blow layups. He had Isiah Thomas feeding him 35 minutes a game in Detroit and broke ten points once. Not acceptable.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Jukai, you can replace Sheed on your list with Rodman, all day, every day. And i’m a Sheed fan.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Z: Head butting a referee is the correct play?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jesus Jukai….I know you cheer for the Suns and they’ve never played defense in your lifetime….but don’t downgrade a player you obviously have no clue as to what you’re talking about. If you polled 100 NBA players back in Dennis’s time….and asked if they wanted him on their team….you would have had about a 99% approval rating. Obama can’t pull that type of number! And that one percent ould have been Larry Bird for being called out on the grounds of being white!

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    TAD: Well, from you that’s HUGE praise.
    Hey, I can defend my position all day long, but I’m eventually going to start repeating things. I have four guys I consider INCREDIBLY KNOWLEDGABLE in basketball telling me I’m wrong, so I have to acknowledge that fact and re-look into how Rodman played ball. But as of now, I’m saying Rodman doesn’t crack a top-20 list. Sorry!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Dirk Nowitzki is more than a respectable scorer and an all time talent. But he played little to no defense. Dennis Rodman is possibly the best defender to ever play his position, another all time talent. Who had little to no offense to his game. The difference between the two is that its easier to build around a scorer than a defender since the objective of the game is to score. Which is why Dennis Rodman would never be an MVP like Dirk. But he was still more than a glorified role player and a top 20 power forward.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    So Barkley is abolished ’cause he spit on a fan, Jukai? Your list is becoming smaller by the incident.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Barkley is on the list, Eboy.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Myles: I just don’t see him that way. But as I said, I have four guys with vast basketball knowledge tellin’ me differently, and I’m not going to be continually stubborn about it and refuse to acknolwedge that I may have to relook at Rodman and his impact on the NBA and the teams he played on.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Shawn Kemp and Dennis Rodman were my favorite players growing up. Don’t forget about the job Rodman did on Malone in the Finals.He completely took that guy out of his game.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    …and the fact that Jukai thought TAD coined “Reignman” as a knickname for Kemp tells you all you need to know about his 90s era hoops knowledge. Sorry bro, but major FAIL.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai……let me say this and I’ll be done……a dreamlike statement, if you will. If your current Suns team had Dennis Rodman from…let’s say…. 1990 to 1997 playing the 4….the Suns would be a favorite in the West…today with the talent that sits on the rest of the roster! Replace Amar’e with Dirk….your squad would still be squandering to try and get IN the playoffs.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Eboy: Let me say this and I’ll be done… if you think replacing Dirk with Amare wouldn’t automatically put the Suns into the second round, you’re either ape#*)$ insane or are still angry I don’t think Dennis Rodman deserves a spot in the top ten list. Stop being dumb.
    Okay, so Larry Johnson should be booted for a spot for Rodman and everyone here thinks Tom Chambers sucks. Anyone other critics for my two minute constructed list?

  • scott

    If Dirk was on this years Phoenix squad they would make the playoffs no doubt. That made me laugh.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm….Dennis didn’t pride himself on second round appearances…..he has a champions pedigree. Not sure what getting out of the first round meant in defense of Dirk’s ability.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Ciolkstar: Man, I was hoping people would ignore that or think I was sarcastic. I thought TADOne was talking about Dirk, calling him Reichmam but not knowing how to spell it. I didn’t recognize he was talking about Shawn Kemp because I didn’t know people spelled his nickname “reign.”
    I thought it was rainman. Like the weather… =/
    Guess I didn’t read too much in the 90s.
    I deserve shame for that.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    So now Dirk is miles above a healthy A’mare? I’d like to hear this theory of stupidity.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Other than Chambers in front of Kemp and Sheed even being on the list, I’m cool with the rankings. / Sheed gets a pass for being a very lousy rebounder. Which is inexcusable for a premier PF. Talent is not productivity. People kill Dirk for not banging down low, but nobody seems to mind that Sheed has been taking 5 (!) threes a game for the last 4 years. And most importantly, top 20 guys don’t mail it in every other game. / Sheed and KG were my guys growing up, 4s with mad skills that could do anything on a baskeball court. I’d argue that there about as talented. The main difference between the two is effort and desire.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Scott: Eboy’s crazy. Just absolutely nuts. If Rodman was replaced by Amare, I don’t think it would make any difference from Dirk being replaced by Amare. Second round playoff exit.
    Now take LEBRON off the Cavs, put Dirk on the squad. Okay, now take LEBRON off the Cavs and put Rodman on that squad. Who has a better record? If anyone says Rodman, I’ll shoot them.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Z: I probably shoulda put Sheed lower, but when the dude is on, the dude is ON, ya know? Amare will probably rise in the rankings and replace him as he gets better.

  • scott

    Neither Stoudamire nor Nowitzki play any defense whatsoever. Nowitzki is much more versatile on offense. Stoudamire pouted thru the whole season. Nowitzki would fit in just fine with Nash, Hill, Shaq, Richardson and company.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jukai, I really don’t understand your argument about replacing Dirk with Amare. What would Dirk do for them that Amare doesn’t do? Rodman, on the other hand, would offer something completely different? / Amare scores inside, rebounds okay and doesn’t play a lick of D. Dirk scores outstide, rebounds okay and doesn’t play a lick of D.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Amare fits just fine with Nash. I couldn’t care less that they’re not BFF. Their respective games are very complementary.

  • scott

    I thought Stoudamire was going to have a monster year. Karl Malone in his prime. After the way he played with Shaq I thought Stoudamire was going to go off. He was probably the most disappointing player in the League this year.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    All right guys, let’s not bash Jukai too hard. I actually was impressed by his list because it would have took me a bit longer to come up with 20 names myself. Scoring is always sexier than rebounding and defense, so a player like Rodman can slip out of someone’s mind.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Z: Well, first off, Amare really can’t play with Shaq because without a driving space he’s sort of worthless. Dirk, on the other hand, would compliment Shaq IMMENSELY by letting Shaq do damage downlow, while still pulling his full range of offense since he’s mainly a midrange/outside shooter. He’ll take the high post and Shaq would take the low post. How would that NOT be one of the sickest tandoms in the NBA?
    Dirk also has a lot more offense upsides, since you’re bringing in a guy who can score without a distributor (FAR better than Amare can at this point, don’t kid yourself), and a guy who is more proven in taking the last shot.
    More than that, Amare is better on the help defense blocks, but I actually think Dirk is a better ONE ON ONE defender. He doesn’t have the physical gifts Amare has, but he’s smarter and simply a more intelligent player all around, so he knows some semblance of D (he just gets burned a lot since he’s not athletic). He’ll be on the floor more since Amare collects fouls like they’re going to be worth something somday. Dirk is also a better teammate (sadly), whining about his players stepping up but NEVER DEMANDING MORE SHOTS like you-know-who. Better for the locker room.
    Sadly, with all of Dirk’s leadership liabilities, he’s probably way more of a leader than Amare.
    Much better passer too, Dirk’s passing is underrated because the ball is mostly in the guards’ hands on Dallas.
    I think that’s about it. I hope that’s enough for you.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Yeah, we were kinda ganging up on him for a minute. It’s always easier to criticize a list than to actually defend it.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Hey, I’ll say it one more time: if Myles, Z, TAD, and Eboy, who are all very intelligent commentators, say that Rodman needs to be on the list, I must relook at how Rodman played in the NBA. I’m not going to say I’m wrong cause I have to see that for myself, but it’s looks doubtful that I’m right.
    Saying that Rodman is better than Dirk though, wow, that’s stretching into the realm of crazy though.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    1) Claiming that someone is a better one on one defender than Amare is like saying that someone is better at shooting free throws than Shaq. It don’t mean sh!t.
    2) How is Dirk a smarter defender than Amar’e. Make a case.
    3) Dirk is athletic. He moves very well and he’s more agile and quicker than most guys he defends. Playing D has little to do with jumping high. His lack of D as nothing to do with athleticism.
    4) Dirk never had to demand more shots because he takes 19-20 a game when Amare takes 13-14.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Now, Amar’e is nowhere near perfect and Dirk is IMO a better baskebtball player. I just don’t think that switching Dirk for Amare would solve PHX’s problems at all.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Time to get ghost. This was a very enjoyable discussion. Peace.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    1) Well, it does in this context, because replacing Shaq with someone who shoots better free throws would always be a factor if the two of them are close in abilities and one has to take things into consideration.
    2) Amare is one of the dumbest defenders ever. I’ve seem him push a guy when the ball had ALREADY LEFT HIS HAND FOR A LAYUP RIGHT UNDER THE BASKET. I’ve seen him jump INTO a guy posting up him to block a shot. I’ve seen Amare try and flop with no contact. The dude. Is. An. Idiot. Defensively.
    It’s true.
    3) I would consider lateral foot movement speed to be a problem with D. He can move fast in a sprint but he’s not entirely mobil zigging and zagging. Dirk is mostly abused on pick and roll situations where he’s mismatched, or trying to tag a smaller lineup. Duncan scores well playing against Dirk but it’s not a SLAUGHTER FEST LIKE AMARE.
    4) I cannot argue with this point. Good one.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Later Z, thanks for playin’!

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I think Dirk for Amare would make Phoenix the offense, unstoppable juggernaut just like it was 2005 and 2006. It would not solve “all their problems.”
    Dennis Rodman wouldn’t either.
    Just my opinion, I’m realizing I don’t remember Rodman as well as I should

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I’m so glad I couldn’t get into my computer and post my point guard list. Having to place Cousy, Paul, Nash, Williams, Payton, DJ, both Hardaways, Cheeks… I woulda been burned at the stake!
    I wonder if Fat Lever woulda been that list’s Tom Chambers.

  • scott

    A quick top ten list of the greatest point gods of all time. Here we go:

    1. Magic Johnson
    2. Oscar Robertson
    3. Bob Cousy
    4. Isiah Thomas
    5. John Stockton
    6. Gary Payton
    7. Walt Frazier
    8. Jason Kidd
    9. Steve Nash
    10. Tiny Archibald

    Discuss.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    My long ass day is over Scott, so I’m out, but briefly: Bob Cousy too high, John Stockton too low, Payton too high, Steve and Archibald shouldn’t be there. End.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Scott what the fridge, Walt Frazier should be higher than the Glove, Stockton, AND possibly even Cousy.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And where is Jerry West? Jerry West is like top 8 point guards at least; considering he was primarily a shooting guard, that’s saying a lot.

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  • Teddy-the-Bear

    lol off topic, but Rollingstone’s list of 500 Greatest Albums ranks Eminem’s Slim Shady LP ahead of Enter the Wu-Tang. Bahahahahaha

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Alright, this has been fun. See you guys later!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    thats what i thought! conversate with yourself and leave when i stride in. Pwned.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Uhhh… No. Good try?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Fantastic discussuon initiated by the J-Man here. Wish i had not needed to get some sleep so i could have participated. To summarize, Dirk Werner actually gets some grudging props from y’all. Nobody could fault Juk’s remark of him being all top 15 PF. This made me so happy, you have no clue. So can we can the soft talk? And i gotta admit E was right about Rodman. The hustle, the boards, the D oh the D, the flops, the fist pump, the high knee running gait, the craziness, Madonna, bad as i wanna be. The body of a SF (pip actually looked taller) defending and frustrating men like Shaq and co. And of course, the rings. Worm was amazing. I bet he could still play today. Amazing physical specimen. and @ 4.56 the Juksta summarized Dirk’s attributes perfectly. Methinks he’s a closet fan of Diggler (just saying). It’s nice to see si much appreciation for Dirk on slamonline, mission accomplished. (umm, so lucky Kha’s in comment exile, he’d have smashed this up in no time). One more thing: you didn’t know it was spelled “reignman”, J? Boooooooohhhh!

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  • http://www.benfolds.com/acappella Dacre

    for the record I put both rodman and dirk in my top 15 pf of all time (favourites)…along with webber and VIN BAKER, kemp, amare, malone, horace grant, james worthy, KG, mchale, rasheed wallace, tom gugliotta, wayman tisdale, larry johnson

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    DS, ‘top 15′ and ‘soft’ are not mutually exclusive. :P

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    DS, ‘top 15′ and ’soft’ are not mutually exclusive. hehe

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Worthy was Small forward, or else I would have named him! I wiki’d that joint!

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Dacre: now you’re just being jukai-esque, stating Vin Baker to get a rise out of us. Vin was good for a few seasons, top 15? Naah.

  • dips

    on d12 block: it was one of the best no-calls i have seen all year. i just hope they keep officiating like this in the playoffs.

    but sadly it would be a flagrant in east finals, and dwight would get a T for arguing he jumped straight up. such is life in the NBA.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Z: i’d like to respond to that by quoting my favourite lune from the movie Snatch. “in the words of the virgin mary….. Come again?”. You all have had difficulty naming 15 no brainer candidates (all time!) who were better than him and you still wanna stick with soft? Really? Dude is not Kemp with his growls and crotchgrabbing. He’s not Malone with his flexing (there’s an insecure fella for ya), not TD either with his jaw dropping efficiency. But Dirk is not soft. Dude did not get his b-ball start on the blacktop in the meanstreets like a lot of the players mentioned. He entered the most athletic league in the world, with a clear afro american base/culture (oncourt, not Sternworld) and took 2 seasons, 2 to become a household name. Do you have a clue what kind of trash talk ol blonde scraggly has had to endure and still comes through? He played against GP/MJ/Malone/reggie for pete’s sake. And he still delivered. You try coming from germany, to the the states, adjust to tempo, power and culture of b-ball there and lets see how long you last. Soft, please: if anyone could do it Sarunas, Arvidas, Detlev, and most older eurovets would have multiple mvp’s on their resumés.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    no offense meant to the great Euro – nba pioneers. They paved the way for guys like Dirk, Peja, Pau, José etc.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    DS, I could say the same thing about Detlef Schrempf couldn’t I? Is he soft? Not at all. Manu? Nope. The argentinians are actually effin tough. I think you’re mixing up being soft with being good at basketball. Dirk is a monster. However, you can throw him off his game and have him shook if you get under his skin. People know that and they try him all the time. Usually with stars, you don’t play that sh!t. Again, he’s an excellent baller but he’s soft. Them’s the breaks.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    whatever.

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