Monday, April 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am  |  208 responses

ABC: Billups Better than A.I. this Postseason

I’m not sure exactly what this graphic that ABC threw up during Game 4 of the Pistons/Cavs series was supposed to teach us, other than the fact that Allen Iverson is in street clothes at the moment.

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  • vonkers

    “Iverson was arrested on February 14, 1993 for being involved in a mob scene at a local bowling alley. Iverson was hanging out with friends when a confrontation quickly developed into a large brawl divided along racial lines. Accused of throwing a chair that hit a woman, knocking her unconscious, Iverson was charged and tried as an adult”“Iverson and an uncle are accused of barging into a cousin’s apartment on the morning of July 3 as the Philadelphia 76ers’ guard searched for his wife, Tawanna. Iverson allegedly had thrown her out of their house naked during a dispute, according to tapes of a 911 call obtained by The Philadelphia Inquirer. …Iverson will be charged with criminal trespass, simple assault, terroristic threats and gun offenses, District Attorney Lynne Abraham said. Four of the counts are felonies, and Iverson faces up to 54 years in prison if convicted of all the charges….In 1997, Iverson pleaded no contest to a gun charge after police near Richmond, Va., stopped a car in which he was a passenger and found a gun belonging to Iverson and two marijuana cigarettes.” Not to mention The “We’re talkin practice?” fiasco in Philly, then the skipped practice in Detroit (a practiced designed specifically for him…you’re right, Detroit screwed up fist though…), the body gaurd incident, the casino cover up. You’re right…it’s all the media, and every other player has done stuff like AI has…His career is riddled with this stuff. If he wasn’t famous he’d be in prison for a REALLY long time. He’d be in the cell next to O.J.

  • vonkers

    He’s such an upstanding citizen though…

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    Tavoris
    If I was you, I would save my time. For real, you are fighting an unnecessary battle.

  • sam

    HAHA, im surprised at this, i bet next time AI plays a game on ESPN he drops 40

  • Tavoris

    vonkers…first of all, Iverson’s conviction was overturned. The video clearly shows him trying to STOP the fighting.
    secondly, why do you know so much about a player you despise? I smell a stan…

  • Tavoris

    Allenp…it’s actually funny 2 me…why people get so amped up in an online discussion. I swear you’d think they have NO other outlet 4 their frustrations…

  • Tavoris

    I thought these sites were frequented by basketball FANS. All that really matters is that AI at 85 years old can still pwn vonkers

  • vonkers

    Ok…one overturned conviction out of how many? Like I said, if he wasn’t famous he’d be in prison for a long time. I know alot of things about alot of people I like and dislike, why does it matter to you? You’re just fighting an unwinnable battle. AI is a punk, end of story. He represents everything a professional athelete shouldn’t be. I’m glad you think it’s funny…I think it’s funny how punk thugs like to support eachother like you support AI. Oh, btw, Allen Iverson takes out his frustration on his wife when he beats her up, yet I don’t hear a peep about that from you.

  • vonkers

    I’m a huge basketball fan just like I’m a huge fan of players with character and a team-first mentality.

  • vonkers

    Your inability to admit what you know is correct about someone is strange to me…you’re blind defense of this ringless chump is truely astonishing…

  • Tavoris

    vonkers, if u paid attention to anyone ELSE other than AI on here, you’d realize that I have defended a myriad of players vigorously. Check the threads on T-Mac and Stephen Curry 4 reference. Oh yeah, I’m sure u aren’t ready 2 get AI’s sac off your chin just yet…

  • Tavoris

    what’s funny is that your disdain for AI is clouded your judgement 2 the point that you think the Pistons should get rid of Rip and Prince…the 2 most consistent Pistons….two players with deals consistent with their talent and contributions…the LAST two Pistons that should be traded.

  • vonkers

    When did I say I liked T-Mac or Stephen Curry? WHen did this article mention them? oh wait I didn’t and it didn’t. This is about AI, not anybody else, stop dodging the issue. How is AI’s sac on MY chin when you’re the one sucking his d*ck so hard you’re expecting something from him? I’m not the one defending him here idiot. RIP was ok this season but his attitude sucked. Tayshaun was anything BUT consistent. He played every game so yeah, I guess if that’s you’re only measure for consistency then yeah, but by the standards of his play he was not that great. Tayshaun is the best trade asset on the team, and there are several teams interested in RIP too. I wouldn’t mind see either/both of them gone for the right player. I didn’t say I would give them away.

  • vonkers

    Try sticking with the issues at hand here: AI is a punk…just admit it…ESPN knows it, SI knows it, the whole world knows it, but for some reason SLAM and all it’s punk writers and readers can’t get it throught thier think heads. ESPN> Sports Illustrated >>>>>>>>>>>>SLAM

  • vonkers

    every local paper and homer sports writer > SLAM

  • Tavoris

    got a question 4 u. Since u hate Slam, then why are you here? (Allenp, I know the answer already)

  • Tavoris

    when did your topic become THE TOPIC, vonkers? If I’m not mistaken, it has nothing to do with this article. I didn’t say u like T-Mac or Steph Curry. The whole point was that I can/will/do defend any basketball player when some fanboy’s twisted perception of them game launches them into a mini smear campaign. The facts of the Detroit situation are 1)he wasn’t a good fit, 2)His presence is a HUGE distraction (as writing about Rip complaining is interesting to no one but Piston fanboys). Everything else about the Piston situation is speculation. I don’t have to be a fan of his to see that you obviously are emotionally vested in the Piston organization-so much so, that you need 2 find some scapegoat for their not-so-rapid decline.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Tavoris Posted: Apr.28 at 6:48 pm
    Allenp…it’s actually funny 2 me…why people get so amped up in an online discussion. I swear you’d think they have NO other outlet 4 their frustrations…
    ________________________________________________
    Theres twitter…
    ________________________________________________
    I’ve been playing social-comp basketball for a team, thats made it to the local comp final 4 years in a row. This is my first year with them, I went from being the starting PG to 6th man, all because my style doesn’t fit within the context of the teams identity. It’s been a hard pill to swallow and I’ve even not turned up for a few weeks to play. It’s a pride thing. It’s an enjoyment thing. It’s all about playing the game of basketball the way you want too…I know exactly how Iverson would be feeling here, same with Nash and the SUNS this year – where instead of one guard coming in and adapting they were trying to adapt to one coach… if it doesn’t work you go in a different direction. Tomorrow night we play the grand final – I’ll be there going 100% but the team knows that I probably wont be playing there next season – I say A.I if healthy enough and has the desire enough to go where he wants, he should go. Find your place in the NBA young man!

  • Tavoris

    good post Dacre…there’s hope for us all…

  • chazz michael michaels

    yall need to go knock um sum women like me did las t night eachone of u cud hav a new bro or sis idk u go ask yo momma ahahaha

  • rikson

    Its funny how long people can debate about facts -> AI is a punk; period! But – ya know – kids raised by the industry will always fall for marketing tricks -> and AI is just one big marketing trick

  • Tavoris

    rikson, I am thoroughly confused by what you said…

  • vonkers

    If I’m running a “mini smear campaign” then you’re the head of the AI for president campaign. You completely dodged the issue (again) anyways. AI is a punk…the end…you’re blind or a complete idiot(most likely the latter) if you don’t realize that. I’m not “looking for a scapegoat” or “emotionally vested in the Pistons organization”…The Pistons did bad with AI and they did bad without him, the fact that AI is a punk has nothing to do with that. I’ve thought AI was a punk for a really long time, but this definitely put him over the top. Oh and Dacre, whoever wrote that twitter needs to wipe the sand out of thier vag, shut up, and play. They’re as much of a loser as AI.

  • vonkers

    A real baller takes pride in his play starting or off the bench, 1 minute or 48 minutes. It doesn’t matter, you take pride in all of it. If you’re not willing to do that you’re a poser, not a baller.

  • Tavoris

    vonkers, why are you here?

  • Tavoris

    vonkers, every conversation with you brightens my day. Just when I thought someone can’t be anymore deliriously negative.

  • Tavoris

    vonkers, at no time did I say that AI wasn’t wrong in the situation. All I have ever said was that he wasn’t wholly at fault. You are free to consider him a punk, but that has no bearing on the fact that he’s still > you.

  • vonkers

    You’re right…he’s better than me at basketball…he’s better than you too…and everyone else on this site…you’re point? At least I know how to live my life and not get caught up in gangsta BS like AI. I’ve never kicked in my cousin’s door and waved a gun around, I’ve never thrown my wife out of the house naked, I’ve never had drug arrests, I’ve never complained about practice, I’ve never faked an injury so I didn’t have to play for someone I didn’t like (and I’ve played for/with plenty of people I don’t like). I never said that the whole situation is AI’s fault either…I deliberatly made a point of not doing so. AI’s life, circumstances, and bad attitude are 100% his fault though. He’s 80% to blame for the Detroit situation.

  • vonkers

    Correction, He’s 80% to blame HIS situation in Detroit, not Detroit’s lack of success…

  • vonkers

    Tavoris’ intellegence < house fly’s intellegence. You’ve got to be the worst poster on this page. You blindly defend everyone despite thier actions then procede to discount credible arguments against them.

  • vonkers

    *proceed

  • Tavoris

    vonkers, I don’t blindly defend arguments about players. I refuse to entertain discussions about their personal life-BECAUSE IT IS PERSONAL. You are too stupid 2 realize that. Additionally, how am I the worst poster when you are here openly hating Slam Magazine?

  • Tavoris

    and BTW, I’m not suprised that you have played with/for plenty of people you didn’t like. Seems to be in your personality to label or dismiss people who 1)either come from a different background or 2)have a different perspective than you. Do you know what that makes you, vonkers? discuss…

  • vonkers

    No, I label and dismess 30 something professional athelete superstars who don’t use thier influence to do an ounce of good because they’re so absorbed in themselves. People make mistake, but idiots make the same mistakes over and over again. He want’s to be a thug for the rest of his life instead of taking advantage of what has been given to him. Anyone who has that attitude and is unwilling to change I have no respect for. When people are willing to change that attitude I will most certainly accept that. I embrace different backgrounds and opinions, but seriously, you’re just blind to the truth of the situation here. AI is a me-first baby of a person and player and he always has been. He’s made no efforts to change that attitude on or off the court. I can only assume that someone who sypathizes to that adopts the same principals in thier own life and therefore I have no respect of that either.

  • vonkers

    The fact that I have played with/for plenty of people I don’t like only speaks to my experience, not my intolerance. I’ve played with more people I like than ones I dislike moron.

  • Tavoris

    A bigot is a person who is intolerant of or takes offense to the opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own

  • vonkers

    Besides, you just keep changing the subject because you know I’ve countered EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS! That’s why you’re the worst poster on this board.

  • vonkers

    ABC was absultely right to kick this guy while he was down because he is the main reason he’s down in the first place. I applaud them, good work ABC. Way to compare a champ to a chump. Keep up the good work!

  • Tavoris
  • vonkers

    People like AI feed into ignorant people’s stereotypes. People like him are the reason stereotypes are made…

  • vonkers

    Every athelete with a PR guy is involved in charity. The guy is a walking double standard.

  • vonkers

    Did he have his body gaurd beat up the kids that wanted to talk to him?

  • vonkers

    So…I’m a bigot because I point out obvious facts about someone? Well chew on this: An idiot is someone who blindly supports people regardless of thier actions.

  • vonkers

    An idiot is someone who despite in the face of facts and reason, still just argues thier point.

  • Tavoris

    lol..what are the obvious facts? How about this: I support basketball players because I love basketball. What the player does when they aren’t on the court is irrelevant to me, because the game is all that matters.

  • vonkers

    The attitude of guys like you and AI are the reason stereotypes exist and ignorant people adopt them. Stop feeding into the stereotype by not being an idiot! It’s simple!

  • Tavoris

    you are a bigot because your problem with AI obviously has more to do with his lifestyle-or the lifestyle he represents-than it does with him as a basketball player. That’s deep, and sad.

  • vonkers

    lol, right, because non of his actions (we’re talkin practice”) have effected anything he’s done on the court…you’re right…So quitting on your team and faking an injury is irrelevant because it technically didn’t happen on the basketball court…ok…that makes perfect sense. Even if you through all of his altercations with the law and personal problems out the window, he’s been an idiot in basketball relataed issues too. He’s been a total diva. The two times in his career where he just shut up and played he was marginally successful (Philly finals run and Denver).

  • Tavoris

    I’m not the one with an attitude. I’m trying to educate bigots like u, vonkers

  • vonkers

    So because I don’t respect people who don’t respect themselves enough to grow up and change I’m a bigot…What I’m saying that his actions, not necessarily his “lifestyle” further any kind stereotypes that exist, that is the sad part. What’s even more sad is that you’re completely blind to that.

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