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Friday, April 3rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm  |  128 responses

See ya next year, AI

Allen Iverson and the Pistons have decided he will not play again this season. Wow, did that go bad fast.

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  • Teddy-the-Bear

    FIRST ?!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay, the Pistons system clearly does not fit Al. But to blame AI for the Pistons’ underwhelming playing this season is total BS, like the brown stuff that comes out of Jukai’s mouth.
    REAL reasons why the Pistons are turrrible (relatively):
    -They are terrible off the glass. Antonio McDyess and occasionally ‘Sheed are practically their sole rebounders.
    -They traded away perhaps their best player in Chauncey, who fit the system like glue.
    -Their coach is Mark Curry.
    -They tried playing small ball when their best rebounder was injured… NOT SMART.
    -They have Iverson playing less than 20 minutes now… Apparently no minutes actually. And when he is playing, they don’t know how to properly use him.

  • Coach Master

    AI won’t be a Piston next season. He better keep his bags packed. It has always been a test of wills for AI and his coaches. And, his second highest in the league contract is up after this season.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And if they traded away their best asset for AI, why SHOULDN’T he get his old minutes? He clearly IS the best player on his team. The Pistons’ old system is obviously not working; they should have adjusted to accommodate Iverson, considering he can still score over 20 a game, easily. Either that, or they shouldn’t have traded for him in the first place.
    In addition, I repeat: playing their old system does NOT work anymore! They have no garbage man like B. Wallace to clean up the glass for them and they have basically 3 players who can score on a consistent basis now.

  • http://www.nba.com JE

    I thought their coaches name was Michael Curry…

  • http://www.nba.com JE

    coach’s*

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And the argument of “Al’s attitude” is BS. 18 minutes a game? Yeah right. Would Washington Wizards Jordan play backup to Caron Butler for 18 minutes a game?

  • http://www.myspace.com/freedmusic Fredd

    One of the worst trade ever

  • http://www.nba.com JE

    According to espn.com, he’s out for the rest of the REGULAR season, and could return for the playoffs.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4040510

  • ciroqobama

    Good Riddance ya baby

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  • http://www.nba.com JE

    and I’m going with Aldridge on this one. AI to Charlotte.

    http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/04/02/iverson.20090402/index.html

  • http://www.mykal1.blogspot.com MyKal

    Free A.I.!

  • http://aol.com Jonesy McFly

    I read he was only out the regular season. And if they make the playoffs they will reevaluate the sittuation

  • http://aol.com Jonesy McFly

    And milk dude(micheal curry) needs to be gone once this season is over. how about throwing ur old gameplan out the window when ur best player doesn’t fit that system. how about trying something else. and how about learning how to talk during interviews. he sounds dumb as fu(k

  • Michael

    Damn, man. A.I can’t go out like this can he? It just doesn’t seem right.

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan13

    crrrrrazyyy

  • Coach Master

    This isn’t just Curry. It is also Joe Dumars. He isn’t coming back even for the playoffs. And, who will be the next team to pony up $21M per year?

  • http://nba.com tealish

    JE. Read the link again (now?). It includes the playoffs. This is more than the back injury. No injury, minus two broken legs, could keep AI from playing in the playoffs if it was his choice.

  • http://nba.com tealish

    Coach Master: No one has to pony up 21M. His contract expires at the end of this season. Ivy will play for $5-6M and if put in the right situation, will be an incredible bargain.

  • donovan

    The Las Vegas Kings should do it.

  • http://www.nba.com JE

    tealish: looks like you’re right.
    Anyway, I hope AI can flourish in Charlotte and Detroit experiences a substantial revival next season.

  • WhaHuh

    How about that Iverson Pistons cover “the final answer”. More like AIs final Slam cover

  • http://thedimemachine.multiply.com thedimemachine

    That’s a shame.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    AI back with coach Brown? That’s actually an intriguing proposition. I think it could work. Ivy would be close to home and playing for a team that could use his veteran presence. hey, I think it just might work. I wonder what BETcats has to say about this?

  • Blinguo

    Seeing all the huge comment totals from this week’s AI topics, this should be front page news – next to the new mag covers of course. I only got halfway through the AllenP/Myles discussion. Should go back and finish up.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    “Doctor said I need a backiotomy!” “My lawyer had sex with my mama!” “Ol Green Eyes gon miss ya!”

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    BETCats should trade Felton and sign Steph and AI to be their starting backcourt. Wait, they have a guy on their roster named “Cartier Martin”?? Bling bling.

  • Blinguo

    Russ, only 1 “bling” is mighty sufficient a phrase as there is in 2009. “Bling bling” in 2009 = “the best rapper alive” kissing Birdman Lugz’s rapper on the lips, now in viral video form. To not end a comment with that, BLINGCATS to go next to the Thundercats/Tuff Kats of OKC? The NBA is cat-tastic.

  • Blinguo

    Cheryl, check BET’s favorable reaction and making the case for AI on the CHA Bobcats to a Bobcats forum in the “starting role or retirement” topic.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    18th????

  • Kozmic

    Early vacation, something he didn’t have in a long time. Well that’s how the Pistons deal with that kind of thing!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Gilbert Arenas > That other guy.

  • Blinguo

    Yeah, Gilbert is greater than Cohan. But I guess Chris Cohan is “that damn guy”, instead of simply “other guy”.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Jonesy McFly. Apparently some idiots from yesterday beg to differ.

  • https://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    I wonder if Pistons fans will still wear the “Detroit now has the Answer” t-shirts.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    “Allen Iverson is the man. Haters shut the fluck up. That means you, dumb@ss Jukb!tch.”

  • Gift2basketball

    He ain’t injured to miss that much time..I hope he leaves Motown

  • Coach Master

    AI leaves Nuggets, the Nuggets improve…AI gets “injured” Pistons improve…who wants someone who doesn’t like to practice?

  • TW

    Come back to Philly!

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com/ Michael NZ

    ‘I just want to win’. Yeah, ok.

  • Kozmic

    I’m down with TW’s proposal. The young guns need a real vet, not to mention a real AI. Iggy is cool and all but not even close to the answer.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m glad you agree, Joel Ortiz.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And good luck trying to argue with my points above, idiot.

  • Coach Master

    AI for an assistant coaching job….coaches someone just like him

  • Young C

    We do not want Iverson in Philly. We’ve had more than enough of that. If you like AI so much, take him on your team.Its funny to me how the people who always make excuses for Iverson almost never have had him on ur team.Allens a great 1-on-1 player,hall of fame scorer and an icon. But he’s just not a winner anymore.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Hahahahahahhaaha, man… Iverson is a running joke now.

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Also, watching Cheryl Miller on NBA.com… she’s making some great points. Girl needs to take her brother’s sucky ass place on TNT.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Teddy, I happen to agree with your initial comment up there. He didn’t fit in Detroit. And it isn’t his fault. Nor is it really anyone in the Pistons.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Jukai: I didn’t mean to bring things up again, but the concept of irony seems to be lost on the plebians of today.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Back to AI, however: is this good or bad, really? Good that they’re shutting him down and that at least, this unhappy marriage is over? Or bad that the Detroit experiment didn’t work?

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com/ Michael NZ

    @Joel O’s: not his fault!? Could have made an effort to adjust, no? Could have accepted bench role, no? Could have tried not to kill teams chemistry, no? Could have not given up on season to go pout instead, no?

  • Quail

    none of this would have ever happened if they would have just kept billups. that trade changed me from a pistons fan to a cavs fan the second it happened.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    I get where you’re coming from, Michael NZ. It’s hard to explain what went on over the last week or so, and a sad truth it is. It’s just… I don’t think we should’ve expected AI to change his ways – not to be necessarily “better”, but to be different – just because he landed in a classy, veteran organization like Detroit. I mean, you can only fault AI for being AI. I think he really tried to do what was best for Detroit in his own way, which sadly wasn’t the right way. And then when they started losing, it all went down from there.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Jukai, I’ll say this nice and clear, so your inbred moronic @ss can comprehend this: YOU ARE A JOKE. You make Allen Iverson seem like Albert f*ckin Einstein with the dumb sh!t you say.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And Michael NZ, you’re apparently just as stupid. Al should adjust to a system that benches him and plays him 18 minutes a game?
    The Pistons traded away their best player, Chauncey, for an even better player in Allen Iverson (if USED properly). Then they make their best player, Allen Iverson, play 18 minutes a game in a system that CLEARLY ISN’T WORKING REGARDLESS? Oh, that makes sense (idiot).
    Curry and co. should have created a new system, considering they don’t have the defensive and glass post presence of Ben Wallace anymore, nor do they have the point guard in Billups. What they do have now, is one of the best scorers to ever play the game, who just so happens to be their best player. And THEY DON’T USE HIM? Well, that makes about as much sense as Jukai’s idiotic arguments.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    That’s just like trading Dwight Howard for Yao Ming, and then benching Yao Ming for Tony Battie. Let’s see if Yao doesn’t want to retire after that BS.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And I’m pretty sure you idiots who jumped off the Iverson bandwagon are the same morons who jumped onto the Celtics bandwagon last year. Yeah, shut up already kids.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m about to go, but I’d also like to add that the Pistons without Iverson and/or without Billups are turrrible. So I don’t see how Iverson “killed their chemistry” when they don’t use him properly.
    And you people are also forgetting that Iverson is the man who once single-handedly CARRIED the Sixers to the Finals, offensively. And to those who say it was easy, that’s total BS. I’m pretty sure 50 point duels with vintage Vince Carter aren’t easy to come by.
    Peace.
    PS: Please, don’t say provokingly stupid stuff to make me have to repeat myself! Seriously!

  • zyth

    hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    ’nuff said.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Haha, Teddy. “You make Allen Iverson seem like Albert f*ckin Einstein with the dumb sh!t you say”. That’s not being very nice to AI isn’t it? Heh.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    got up this morning in asia, checked my online stuff and see that AI is practically suspended for the rest of the season? And i expected the mother of all reactions on slamonline, judging from the last post about him (370 comments) or the hijacking of Holly’s “post up” yesterday (500+ whatttt?). But so far, i sense some form of “good riddance”. I am FURIOUS. In my opinion this is not how you treat a living legend. In a nutshell they trade for his expiring contract, business wise a good decision, then he plays for them, at times great, but his game wasn’t right for the pistons anyway. So after 2 days of some grumbling in the media (weak, but hardly a new situation in US sports) he’s taken off the active roster like some rookie troublemaker? Joe Dumars can go suck a d*ck. I pray they miss the playoffs. This is a scandal.

  • http://www.sprint.com/sero dma

    how would a AI/DWade backcourt sound?

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    good luck entrusting the keys to your pistons bus to Rodney Stuck-in-the-mud-ey Joe D. Bynum’s the better PG at this point.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    You missed the point, Joel. But nice try?
    @ Darksaber: I’ve been telling these clowns this all along, but nooooo Jukai and Joel insist on being irrational. Jukai thinks he knows everything, yet he acts as if Iverson is his ex-boyfriend.
    Read my posts above dun.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Again, read my posts above you bandwagon h@ters.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And again, I’ve noticed again just how stupid Jukai is. I don’t think he even watches basketball, he just watches Stuart Scott on Sportscenter for all of his basketball knowledge. The man is an idiot, plain and simple.
    First, he underestimates Dennis Rodman– Not a top 20 PF? LMFAO
    Then, he underestimates Al’s ability AND what he has done for this game. I think Iverson refused Jukai an autograph ten years ago, which sent him into depression.
    What else was there? Oh yeah, Jukai thought Shawn Kemp was the “Rainman”. He thought Willis Reed and Wes Unseld were centers their entire career… He thought the Phoenix Suns could make the playoffs… The list is endless.
    Iverson is a baby? Yeah right, and you didn’t just waste your entire afternoon responding to someone who was purposely annoying you.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Well, I’m done with this “E-Beef”, as long as Joel O’s and Jukai stfu about me, even though they know I’m right about Al.
    Although, it was pretty entertaining :D .

  • sabrina

    AI will comeback next year that,s good for him, just the stupid coach of piston michel curry idiot

  • sabrina

    AI will comeback next not to stupid coach

  • rey

    piston not making the playoffs, good coaching job mchael kurrie booooooooo

  • rey

    lets everybody accept piston has a unexperienced coach,imagine 4thquarter blew up many points this s, coach never had time out and still slow,, grrrrr crazy piaston coaching stafff same w joe,, did everybody watch NBA TV commentator iverson splitting minutes w bynum .. crazy ha mcurrrry

  • http://www.slamonline.com Flash

    a.i. was never a team player, never was and never will be! the only reason he’s out is because of his big mof***kin ego! tell him that he’s gonna start then you’ll hear from his bulls*** statement that he is willing to play tru the pain blah blah blah! dude aint hurt, he just a primadonna!

  • larrylegend

    i don’t care

  • Plasticman

    I agree with larrylegend

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Good, Teddy. A petty insult fest was not my intent to begin with.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    But back to the AI debate. Pointing fingers at the Pistons and saying AI was entirely not to blame is just as bad as absolving the Pistons of guilt and using AI as a scapegoat. The Pistons were not terrible with or without AI. They weren’t a championship team for half a decade, but they got to the ECF pretty much every time. That makes them AT LEAST 2nd-best team in the East for half a decade. In the same stretch, I don’t think AI’s teams won a single playoff series.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    I don’t know if a die-hard Pistons fan like TAD will agree with me, but I don’t think the Pistons made a mistake taking AI. Sure, the results of the decision were bad, but that’s because hindsight’s always 20-20. They needed a change, needed to shake things up, and they did it. They took a gamble. It could’ve been a legendary move. It made sense at the time. The thought-process was sound. To just look at the results without thinking about the thought-process is shortsighted. So that’s why this mistake doesn’t make the Pistons organization any less professional and successful in my eyes. Because they asked the right questions.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    On the other hand, you could argue that the Pistons suck. They sucked before AI came, and they suck with or without Chauncey. The Pistons suck in their entirety – coach, GM, players – and AI is the man and he is entirely free of blame for this mess. AI was their best player, so regardless of team chemistry or balance they should’ve played him a lot. It’s on them. And everyone who disagrees with this is a hater and is stupid and should go f*ck themselves because they are bandwagon fans who should shut up.

  • Bash

    Yet again, Russ finds a way to take a stab at Stephon Marbury. He must have really done something to you in the past.

    I must be the only one tired of your backhanded, ‘could be considered stereotypical/racist’ comments, because the other people seem to find them funny. I don’t.

  • Diogo

    Teddy-the-Bear is right on too many levels.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I’m totally a racist. You caught me.

  • http://www.bbl.org.uk Josh D

    I bet anything that’s is the last time he wears a Pistons jersey

  • http://www.bbl.org.uk Josh D

    I et anything that that was the last time he wears a Pistons uniform

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    Yawn…

  • http://fdklf.com Jukai

    I like the thinking that the Pistons are somehow forcing AI to stay out for the rest of the season. Because, you know, AI is that shy, introvert type that wont speak up when something he doesn’t like is happening.

  • https://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    At least he now has plenty of time to practice for next season.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    As long as Walter Herrmann gets his minutes, I’m cool with it.

  • Diogo

    A comparison: Having AI on your team and not using him is like dating Jessica Biel and not screwing her. Jessica may b*tch and moan and make you look stupid. But you still would tap that, daily.

  • adams

    Would you still tap that daily if she couldn’t make you cum even half the time?

  • http://www.nba.com JE

    It’s officially time for comments to be disabled.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    the original Biel comment? Fun…ny. The comeback? TMI.

  • ole dirty marmot

    I don’t think A.I. really learned to play basketball the right way.And he’s been enabled to perpetuate that level of play his entire career.I’m not saying he’s physically inept or unable,just that as his career winds down,his inadequacies are becoming more and more apparent….
    Okay after this post,I’ll be back to cracking wisely…

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    *sigh*
    JE how long have you been around? There have been worse cases of arguements/stupidity around here.
    Although this was just plain sad, and not in the least entertaining.
    *Reads a stupid comment about my own statement- continues sighing*

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  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    JE kinda has a point. The comments section is not nearly as enjoyable as it once was. Arguing is fine, that’s what it’s there for. But I don’t have time to sort out the legit comments from the juvenile insults getting thrown around by dudes like teddy.

  • truthteller

    i’m a Pistons fans and I also like Iverson. And all I can say about the whole Iverson debacle is, “damn”

  • truthteller

    Teddy,
    I feel what you are saying. But you have to admit though that Iverson has always had a problem playing with other stars. He carried the 76ers all by himself which is great and has been his greatest positve but also his greatest negative as well and that’s the point. He’s been so used to that that he’s never known how to play with other stars such as Carmelo, Josh Smith, just to mention a few in Denver and now Detroit. Don’t forget that the Stackhouse was traded to Detroit ’cause he and Iverson couldn’t play together. I agree with you that if the Pistons traded for him then they should have known how to use him and use him properly but Iverson has always wanted to play “his way” and he has done this his whole career and now he’ll be leaving detroit which is a damn shame ’cause we could sure use him in the playoffs!

  • Pardeep

    He didnt play with Josh Smith?

  • aidee333

    free ai case the piston’s suck

  • $DAVID$

    teddy he never played josh smith son

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    He meant JR Smith, I think. I am also feeling quite a bit of this FURIOSITY that Darksaber mentioned. This is a fúcking nightmare

  • http://www.mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    Ladies and Gentlemen, your Destroyyyyyyyed Pistons!!!

  • rikson

    So Allen – you dont want a chip? Time to change your philosophy…

  • giogolo

    wiz jordan=ai now..?? phulesse where are your b-ball brains?
    AI a legend..hip-hop bball legend..but nba legend..?
    puhleesee Bury me.

  • rikson

    “And everyone who disagrees with this is a hater and is stupid and should go f*ck themselves because they are bandwagon fans who should shut up.” -> anyone who feels really good about his arguments would say stuff like this…

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    See ya next year, AI…………………in a orange Bobcats jersey

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Nice knowin ya, AI. I honestly can’t think of a starting lineup that AI would make better. I mean, are the BETcats supposed to start DJ and AI together? They’re both midgets. Memphis already has OJ and Mike Conley, Kev Martin is in Sacramento, I guess the Knicks could use a SG, but I don’t see AI as a D’Antoni type of player… I know he’ll end up siging somewhere, but I fear it’ll be to “sell tickets and jerseys” and will end poorly.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    cio: we need a scorer. Ramyond + Iverson with DJ off the bench for 3 point shooting and Bell for lockdown D is much better than Raymond + Bell with only DJ and Cariter Martin

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    I hope this isn’t how it ends.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    @Allenp: How what ends? Him going to CHA or him ending his season in Detroit?

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    I don’t think Teddy likes you Jukai.

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    NBA legend? Oh, and co-sign Z.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    From Basketbawful:
    “A.I. and Kevin Garnett were two players who, over the last decade, everybody wondered what would happen if they were surrounded by other good players. Well, KG became a champion and Iverson has tarnished his legacy forever. So I guess that answers that question.”

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Juaki, it doesnt hurt Iverson that Curry = a terrible coach, that Rip Hamilton’s ego bruised Iverson’s, and that the Pistons are a team that are now playing without purpose because they were built as to be a contendor and are not one and all the players on the team realize this?

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    Jukai
    That comment is both correct and false.
    It’s true that on the surface level it seems like it’s impossible for Iverson to co-exist with other talented players.
    After all, Denver only won 46 games and 50 games in his two years there, and they couldn’t get out of the playoffs.
    Detroit has self-destructed since he arrived.
    However, I think the truth is more nuanced, and I hope Iverson gets one final shot to prove that he has what it takes to be a champion. If not, so be it.

  • Tuomas

    Unfortunately for you BET, Will Bynum doesn’t suck at basketball. How about topping your previous career high of 25 in one quarter? There’s a whole lot of stuff going wrong with the Pistons this year (too numerous to even list right now), and the result has been mad inconsistency. Beat the likes of Boston one night, then go on a losing streak against the extrement of the league. If only they’d get Magic in the first round, that’d be interesting. Unless they somehow manage to f*ck up even their playoff spot, that is.

  • http://thesportsdiaryonline.blogspot.com Roy

    I agree with David Aldridge’s opinion on the matter. The Charlotte Bobcats is the only team that is a good fit for AI…

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    … But still would not be a championship caliber team. Does anyone feel like AI could fit on a team that could potentially contend for a title?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Tuomas, i was happy for Bynum

  • Tuomas

    So was I. So was I.

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    So would AI be more affective within Detroit’s system than Bynum?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Spaceship: the whole problem is, his ego wont let him. Rip got hurt, then when he came back he said that he is not coming of the bench. Micheal Curry is a punk and will appease Rip, because Rip is well established in Detroit and has a huge fan base, so he will start Rip. Rodney Stuckey is the future, so i am guessing that Joe Dumars is forcing Curry to start him now, so that Stuckey can develop into a great point guard (which he will be) sooner rather than later. Since Dumars pays Curry, anything he says goes. That basically makes Iverson the odd man out. Does he deserve to be? No, Iverson is still better than Rip and better than Stuckey. However Micheal Curry cant start all 3 of them, and Rip/Stuckey have people vouching for them. Iverson is always hurt, and is hurt now, and is using that as a excuse. Could ‘vintage’ A.I. play right now? Yes. But this A.I. is in a unfamiliar location in a unfamiliar role, and doesnt like it, so why not just chill and use a legitimate reason as your excuse? That is exactly what is happening. If he came off the bench, who knows what he would do, but he wont allow himself to. He wont have any of these problems as a Bobcat next year.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    So even though the Pistons have had constant years of success with Rip at the 2, including an NBA championship, knows the system in-and-out, and wont stop the ball movement which is key to Detroit’s system, Iverson should still get the starting not at the two over Rip?
    Not following, BETCATS.

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    rip actually does stop ball movement. He’s the designated shooter. The problem was having Rip AND AI on the floor at the same time because then you have two ball-stoppers.
    Plus, chemistry-wise, you can’t trade Chauncey and then bench Rip and not create some hard feelings. It was inevitable.

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    Thanks BET. Your the first person that I’ve heard intellegently defend AI since this topic arose.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Jukai, part of my point was that Rip built up his rep and was a fan favorite. You just stated the ways he did it.

  • rikson

    Just to be clear: Wasnt Rip the one that came from the bench, even if he didnt want, and AI the one that wasnt mentaly able to come of the bench…

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