Friday, May 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 am  |  189 responses

Lakers/Nuggets Game 2 Recap

Denver takes home court advantage with a win in L.A.

by John Krolik

Pre-Game:

Not a whole lot of players talking, but the Nuggets’ locker room is noticeable for the tags above the players’ lockers- “Rookie #13,” “Tay #30,” “JR Swish #1,” “Suite 200 #43″ (Easily the most enigmatic locker tag; later we learn that this is the name of a Denver nightclub, which Kleiza frequents.) “Infamous #45,” “Birdmann #11.” Definitely reinforces the “Why not us?” feeling of this Nuggets team.

In the media room, while making rounds and grabbing dinner, Shane McMahon and John Cena randomly show up, with Cena in a Kobe Bryant jersey. This is just plain fascinating to me for a number of reasons:

-I did, in fact, love professional wrestling as a kid and continue to have a passing fascination with it now. -Any time the WWE just shows up randomly at a legitimate sporting event IN THE MEDIA ROOM and try to make themselves into a story, it’s interesting to me.

-I remember Shane McMahon as the brat kid of the WWE who would get fed as a heel to bigger wrestlers and occasionally perform ridiculous stunts. Say what you will about being born into money, most heirs never have to jump off of a jumbotron. Now he’s a 39-year old man in the media room.

-I deal with NBA players on a fairly regular basis. They are absolutely gigantic. John Cena is different. He looks like a cartoon character. There’s no other way to put it. He’s just a completely different sort of human being.

-Eventually, with a “well, why not?” sort of energy, I decide to go up and ask John Cena some questions. I ask him about wearing a Laker jersey despite his Boston roots. (It’s embarrassing that I know this. Of this I am aware.) He responds that while he is from Boston and a big Celtics fan, the recent situation means you have to recognize the hospitality of the Staples Center and the city of Los Angeles. This is now three jersey’s he’s worn courtside this playoffs, Celtics, Magic, and Lakers. If I didn’t know better, I’d say he might be altering his actual opinions and feelings in order to better serve what the WWE wants.

Completely flustered, the best question I can come up with is which player from this series he’d be most afraid of in the ring. He says that while Gasol is a big guy, he has to go with Dwight Howard overall, he’s so big and an extremely imposing presence. Shane McMahon then comes over and tells me he saw me staring them down when they walked into the room. Getting caught staring by professional wrestlers in a media room is about as awkward of a social situation as I can imagine.

I am extremely disappointed in retrospect that this is the best I was able to do. In my defense, John Cena’s arms are literally the size of my head. Questions I should have asked: “Which player from this series would make the best heel?” (I’d be interested to see it between K-Mart and Vujacic. Although Kobe could definitely have a Chris Jericho-like career in his turns.) “A lot of fans believe the NBA is fixed by referees and the league. How would you respond to the rarer assertions that wrestling matches are affected by outside factors?”

In warmups, Kobe’s running simulated post-ups with Ariza. I think he knows he’s getting smaller guys on him in this game.

In-Game:

Dhantay “please stop saying I have any sort of prayer of guarding Kobe” Jones pick up 4 fouls in 6 minutes. That’s impressive.

LA has definitely come out hotter, but Denver is getting layups inside on the other end-10 points in the first 9 minutes from K-Mart is keeping them in the game.

23-16 LAL- Lakers have 3 offensive boards to 4 Denver defensive boards. That’s just not going to fly.

6:08 2nd quarter- 43-35 Lakers, LA wants to pull away, Denver looks dead and uninterested, but Carmelo is keeping Denver in it by hitting 4 straight jumpers. He seems to be the only person in the building who knows that LA is well on their way to putting themselves 2 games up in the conference finals-Denver is uninterested, LA is executing with little passion, and the building is…vaguely interested.

And Andrew Bynum catches Nene sleeping and gets a dunk on a Fisher 50-foot pass before the defense sets itself after an out-of-bounds play. Pathetic effort by Denver. 51-38 LAL.

And then, a run. As much as everyone would like to say this was LA checking out, sometimes a run is just a run, especially by a team as good as Denver. Kobe misses two fairly makeable shots. Good interior passing gets K-Mart a dunk. Denver hits two threes in rapid succession. Lamar makes a beautiful move and misses the layup. (This is also known as “pulling a Lamar.”) Chauncey and Lineas draw fouls and Shannon Brown gets enticed into taking a floater.

Then, with Denver down three and inbounding under LA’s basket, Chauncey Billups pulls the off-the-back play on Kobe to get the Layup, and Denver enters the locker room only down one. Your luck can change just that fast in the NBA. (Full disclosure-I was sitting next to Tom Friend, who wrote an outstanding piece on Chauncey that at one point vividly describes an off-the-back play he made in high school. It’s safe to say that nobody found this play cooler than Tom Friend. Fuller disclosure-Tom was getting a pretzel when the play happened in the game.)

Overheard walking the concourse during the half- “When did the whole team become Lamar Odom?” Lamar is absolutely my favorite Laker to watch and the best human being I’ve had the pleasure to meet in a locker room, but that was funny. If the Lakers lose this series, they might succumb to the pressure and let Odom walk. If that happens, championship runs over. Period.

Denver still hasn’t had a lead in this game, but ‘Melo hits a jumper to tie the score at 56. You could hear a pin drop in Staples.

Denver keeps getting it back to ties, but can’t seem to get a lead-then Trevor Ariza goes on a run. For reference, Trevor Ariza is an average three-point shooter and a great athlete. And you’re not going to believe this, but when he started driving to the basket past the rotating defender instead of settling for threes, really good things started happening. Massive slam, two free throws, and And-1. That’s 7 straight points for Trevor Ariza.

Denver could’ve let the game escape here, but they countered with the Birdman-Anderson changed Fisher’s layup and Denver got an ensuing fast-break layup for Kleiza, made a layup off a beautiful curl, and got a block on Fisher that led to a fast-break three for Chauncey. 7 straight points created by the birdman on one end of the floor or another.

Kobe responds with a dunk. The crowd’s awake now. Very much so.

Carmelo and Chauncey work the Nuggets back to a tie with free throws, and Kleiza, who has been massive, hits a three to finally get the Nuggets the lead with 11 minutes to go. Whoa boy.

With the Nuggets up 7 and threatening to pull away, Kobe and Shannon Brown get threes to cut it to one-the dreaded 6-point mini-run the Lakers were on the wrong side of in the 2nd quarter. Huge shots from the most and least likely candidates headed into the playoffs.

From this point, it more or less became a free-throw shooting contest, but a few notable plays:

After a massive Carmelo offensive board and layup to put the Nuggets up three, Kobe responds with a massive pull-up three over J.R. Smith. He’s good. Not sure if you’ve heard. Although I am protesting absolutely everything about that Vitamin Water campaign.

Chauncey draws contact and hits the free throws, Fisher misses a three, and J.R. “Nothing good ever, ever, happens when I put the ball on the floor, and why am I playing instead of Kleiza?” Smith puts the ball on the floor and flings the ball to Trevor Ariza. Kobe comes down, gets to his free-throw line extended happy spot, and drains the pull-up. Tie game. I find Gatorade delicious and hydrating, and the best way to get vitamins is Orange Juice.

I’m still not sure what happened on the next Denver possession. Chauncey drove the lane, went into a malestrom, didn’t get a whistle, flung the ball around his head or something to Nene, who was somehow at the top of the key, who somehow passed straight down to K-Mart, who corralled in some type of layup. Absolute chaos that ended with the ball in the basket.

Next LA possession-Kobe’s working a screen, Nene picks his pocket, loose-ball, Chauncey, Nene, and Gasol all dive on it, jump-ball gets called between Gasol and Billups, Gasol tips it, Ariza grabs it, something happens, ball squirts out, ball gets to Chauncey, 4-point game. Ridiculous. And jump-ball calls deciding two straight games! How about that?

Gasol hits two quick freebies, Chauncey SPLITS A PAIR, and Fisher, not Kobe, gets the final look at the three, but Nene makes a brilliant pop from Gasol (great defensive play #2 down the stretch from him), and contests the three. It has no chance. Game over. Wow. Nothing in the final minute remotely resembled a basketball play.

So, after three conference final games, the team with the first run loses, it comes down to the final possessions, and the best player on the floor loses. Amazing.

Post-Game:

Kobe sums it up pretty nicely: a bounce of the ball here, a bounce of the ball there, and we could be up 2-0, or they could have won game 1.

On the last play: I always want the ball, I want the ball every play. (With humility, no apparent anger.)

Carmelo on if he was trying to galvanize his team in the 2nd quarter: “Yeah, I think coming down at the beginning of the game, we was trying to hard. We wasn’t even playing the way we know how to play. We haven’t played like that the whole playoffs. George took me out in that first quarter and gave me a chance to sit back and see what was going on out there and compose myself. And coming back into the game in the second quarter, I just wanted to take advantage, just try to get some momentum going, I started making some shots. And that big run we made in the second quarter, you know, it was crucial in our winning.”

So after two games, you’ve had two close finishes that went both ways, no clear better team after two games, the team winning at the beginning ultimately losing to late runs, and referee decisions that people are going to question. Wherever he was sitting, Shane McMahon must’ve been thinking he couldn’t have scripted it better himself if he tried.

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  • WhaHuh Posted: May.22 at 7:11 am
    Great game, THIS IS PLAYOFFS

  • Ritchie Posted: May.22 at 7:50 am
    Good game. This series is going 7.

  • Slick Nick Da Ruler Posted: May.22 at 8:19 am
    Fantastic game, Melo was beasting the whole night. Kobe’s crappy dribbling and last-shot aversion were puzzling decisions from the superstar enigma.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 8:48 am
    Three things I learned about Kobe last night: a) obviously he would never have played defensive back in football as easily as Chauncey beat him downcourt on the last crucial inbound b)he needs to leave splitting two defenders at the three point line to guys like D-Wade and CP3 and c)he had a strange look of bewilderment when Chauncey bounced the ball of his back. Must have been some type of a flashback. It was a great game though. Melo is truly killing, Kobe’s two three’s late were huge, but I think Denver would love to see that instead of the couple of drives Bean had earlier and Chauncey is doing big things….again. If the Lakers drop Game Three and trail for the first time in any of their series so far, the Nuggets may just be able to take it because the Lakers team psyche as a whole is up for grabs, like we all know.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:09 am
    Awful quiet around here.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:11 am
    Regarding the perceived “counseling” that the supposed Einstein of Basketball gives his teammates, i beg of everyone to rewatch game 2 of LA-Nuggets. Intimately, with a detective’s keen sense of attention. It was a great game, actually for 2 teams i don’t care much for, it was a FANTASTIC game to watch. Loads of little subplots going on, but for me the second most intriguing one was Kobe TOTALLY demolishing his teammates when they made mistakes. Exhibit A, late in the 1st, Sasha misses a wide open J, horn sounds, Kobe walks towards the bench with Gasol ahead, but reaching back for a l’il low five, and the Great mind of B-Ball twitches (i kid you not) out of reach of Gasol, while his body language can be described as “pissed the eff off”. After numerous other displays of his simmering rage (that is an interesting subplot this postseason, he is always on the verge of losing it), with 4mins. to go in the 3rd, Chauncey pulls the patented 1-3 fastbreak, stop and pop three, during which Kob’s is pointing and shouting at Lamar to close out. Odom who was backpedalling at the time, and is quite fast for his size (but not THAT fast) fails to do so, and Kobe immediately displays more displeasure. Then my favorite one, the big Melo offensive board over Kob’s late in the 4th, the one where on the box out, the Robert Langdon of Basketball symbology grabs onto Melo’s shorts (hey, no biggie it’s a common practice in the paint, but if caught is an automatic foul), then gets overpowered, YET AGAIN by Bron-Lite, proceeds to lament loudly and with the usual aggressive gesturing to the refs that HE WAS THE ONE FOULED. Yeah, i’m sure his teammates luuuuuuv playing with this genius. (never mind that he fumbled the basketball not once, but TWICE in the last 2 minutes of the game to stall any chances of a tie by the lakers, or that he has NO CLUE how to defend Melo when he’s on him, of course the nobel prize winner of Basketball never makes mistakes).

  • neaorin Posted: May.22 at 9:11 am
    cue the LAKERS WERE ROBBED WHAT HORRIBLE OFFICIATING STERN DOESNT WANT KOBE HE WANTS LEBRON VS MELO!!1ONE posts

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:11 am
    Not any more E.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:15 am
    Wow, that didn’t take long. “Lakers were robbed” must be a top 10 Billboard charts Hit by now. Yeah, they sure were robbed. On his second to last “fumble” for example, Kobe got stripped of the ball, regained a clumpsy dribble then took two steps without a dribble… didn’t hear a whistle there. There were numerous other examples, but hey, Lakerfans don’t wanna face facts anyway. As for JR crossing the lane to disrupt the flow on that jumpball? Van Gundy called that one right, it was a violation.

  • Reflex Posted: May.22 at 9:20 am
    Denver in 6

  • Mansonovic Posted: May.22 at 9:24 am
    Darksaber, not sure you picked up on it, but neaorin was agreeing with you. I think. Maybe.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:24 am
    As easily as some (most?) will cry that the Lakers could be up 2-0, the same could be said for Denver as well. This will be a great series, no doubt. And Melo is making a statement to the rest of the league that’s beautiful to watch.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:25 am
    THIS was one of those “Lakers were screwed by refs” moments last night: http://twitpic.com/5o3x7
    Poor Kob’s, had to smash both forearms into an airborne Dahntay Jones back and flatten him in the process. How dare Jones get in prime position for an offensive board? Woe is Kob’s.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:27 am
    Thanks Mansonovic, no i re-read it, totally agree. My apologies for my reaction to neaorin.

  • Reflex Posted: May.22 at 9:28 am
    Darksaber is such a hater, he can’t even recognise thar neaorin’s being facetious. DAMN!

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:28 am
    I will say this though, Trevor Ariza SMASHED one on the Denver guards that made me leave my seat. How the hell does he go from the lower sideline 3 point line to that in like 2 microseconds? Dude is athletic.

  • Mansonovic Posted: May.22 at 9:28 am
    Having said that, I’d agree with you, if it wasn’t for the fact that all the Lakers fans crowing about LeBron’s “bad night” are probably too ashamed to show their faces today.

  • Mansonovic Posted: May.22 at 9:32 am
    If people are going to complain about LeBron passing on the final shot to Delonte, then how about Kobe (supposedly the best clutch performer of this generation) allowing a clearly-finished Derek Fisher to take this one?

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:33 am
    Exactly.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:34 am
    Hey Reflex, read my later post… and please, don’t call me that…it’s beneath me. Be more accurate, i am not just any vile “hater”, i truly, truly, dislike the Mambiatch. As for the rest of the Lakers? Meh. One thing i do love about watching games in the Staples (apart from a chance to see gals like Alba, Biel etc. without Hollywood makeup and still looking fine) is the camera work on Laker games. Superb slow mo’s, close ups (the one showing Melo’s grin after Kobe blasted that last incredible 3 in his grill was FANTASTIC) and loads of tutorals by JVG and Marc Jackson. Great broadcast.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:34 am
    How about not even being able to shake Melo free to even CATCH the ball? Yes, that’s the Mamba.

  • Bryan Posted: May.22 at 9:34 am
    F*ck bavetta, javie and the other guy. The other guy especially.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:35 am
    I do love the fact that Sasha gets about 5 minutes a game now.

  • Jukai Posted: May.22 at 9:35 am
    I like how when the Cavaliers lose, I come in and there’s 20 posts about how the Cavs and Lebron sucks. The Lakers lose, and there are 20 posts about how the Lakers and Kobe sucks.
    Incredible!

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:37 am
    Shia loves himself some yellow/purple.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:38 am
    No one cares what you think, Jukai. Or do you not remember how many times you typed LEBRON FAILED AT LIFE yesterday for passing up the last shot in their game. Yeah…..go somewhere else now.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:39 am
    Okay, no clue if Holly is gonna post anything, and i’ve been keeping my observations of this game in ALL day, so i apologize cause i am about to unleash on y’all (not quite like BETCATS, but you get the picture). This game made quite the impression on me because…..

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:39 am
    Shia, with the Lakers bi*ch mentality on full display. Fantastic.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:43 am
    …. obviously i’ve disliked Carmelo for a few years now, but the way he’s utilizing every bit of his skill (and gosh, his brain too) to eat up defenders is mind boggling. Kobe? overpowered. Lamar? Dribble drive fake to jumper. Ariza? Put him on your hip, then drive to the hoop and create contact for the foul… Anyone shorter than a SG? Here, have a three. AND HE’S LOOSE, SMILING AND HAVING FUN! Where’s the scowling, fugazi goon, complain to the refs Carmelo i remember? He threw Dirk outta the playoffs and i couldn’t even muster any hatred for the guy, he is playing with joy. Inspirational stuff.

  • James the balla Posted: May.22 at 9:44 am
    Lakers should just quit. Bums. They can’t guard Denver. F()Ck the Lakers suck balls. Denver is the best team I have ever seen. Kobe should never break a double team, or try and play defence, or shoot. He is terrible. Garbage leader. Everyone else onthe Lakers is doing there job, but KObe OMG, what a sh!tty everything. He doesn’t do anything right and is only lucky he hit those two threes. And ifthey go down 2-1. They should forefit and let the nuggets go to finals!!! Meloman is also a really good commentator…

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:44 am
    Dark, I think it’s called “Growing up into his talent level”. I think playing with Chauncey has helped a ton too.

  • Bryan Posted: May.22 at 9:45 am
    I don’t even know how someone who can be so objective and so smart about stuff most of the time just completely ignores any sense of reason when it comes to the lakers.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:46 am
    James could never be part of a debate and doesn’t like tasting his own medicine or some goofy metaphor like that.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:46 am
    Shia, point out where the Nuggets got such a HUGE advantage from the refs last night. I’ll wait.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:47 am
    ….. Nene should just chill. Go to a bachata party or something. He has a certain level of machismo going right now that is not helping his game any. Any, i mean any contact with his skin by a Laker is met with an elbow, a thrown arm, a shrug off etc. With a tough guy scowl added to round things up. What’s all that overt aggression getting ya big guy? 6 fouls in game 1, damn near the same in Game 2. DON’T YOU KNOW THAT WITH YOUR FOOTWORK AND STRENGTH YOU SHOULD BE GIVING ANY LAKER NOT NAMED ODOM, FITS?

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:47 am
    Or is it the same advantage the Lakers benefited from in Game 1 when Kobe led the foul shooting fest in the 4th quarter on several questionable calls. I’m still waiting.

  • Bryan Posted: May.22 at 9:48 am
    I also will say that derek fisher is the last person I want taking that shot at this point. Ariza was fire, kobe was fire. I’d even take lamar and pau right now.

  • scott Posted: May.22 at 9:49 am
    All this hype for a LeBron and Kobe Finals. Watch were going to get Orlando vs. Denver. BTW which would be a great Finals for the true fan.

  • Jukai Posted: May.22 at 9:49 am
    Ebay: Lebron DID fail at life. Not saying Kobe doesn’t fail more because he is developing a serious case of Kwame-fingers.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:49 am
    What’s the Lakers record on the road this playoffs? Anyone?

  • James the balla Posted: May.22 at 9:50 am
    So anyways. I love carmelo. But his smile, is annoying. Reminds me of carl landry. I do hope the Lakers beat Denver. Itis going to be a hard fought series. AND PLEASEDEREKFISHERSTOPSHOOTINGANDDRIVING!!!!!!!

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:51 am
    James, what else can the Lakers do? Brown is allright, and Farmar barely got time. Phil’s rotations yesterday were strange.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:53 am
    …. Chauncey Billups, i salute you. Never bought into him being such a great PG in the Detroit years, but the versatility in his game, is just great. For me, he was the difference this game. All the heady little plays he had, the playground trick he pulled on Kob’s before halftime (adding to Mambiatch’s already simmering anger) the 3 or 4 fouls he forced on Phil’s boys on drives, the passing to open players, the freethrows, the defense.. i no longer doubt.

  • James the balla Posted: May.22 at 9:54 am
    STRANGE… I was like… why is Kobe sitting out for 6 minutes in the second. Brown is playing amazing, just off a bit on D. But I mean so is fisher. Thentakes Kobe out inthe 4th a minute in. And draws a play for FISHER atthe buzzer… COMMON PHIL!!!!

  • neaorin Posted: May.22 at 9:54 am
    I think pleasederekfisherstopshootinganddriving.com is still up for grabs.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:55 am
    Can I answer my own question? 2-3 on the road so far. This is a problem going in to Denver.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 9:56 am
    James, I don’t know if that was the INITIAL play drawn up for Fish, but Kobe never even made a play TO the ball and kind of just stayed stuck to Melo, so what’s up with that?

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 9:56 am
    ….Linus Kleiza equals efficiency. Jesus, that was a display of offense AND he played some solid D too. With JR still on lovetron (or whatever planet his multiple personalities come from) that was a much needed boost from the bench. Vinny Johnson would have been proud.

  • Cub Buenning Posted: May.22 at 9:59 am
    Like has been mentioned, these two games WERE almost identical in reverse. Even to the point that Kobe furiously denied Melo on the Ariza steal in Game 1 and Melo returned the favor on LA’s last possession. Two great games; each could be up 2-0. If Denver holds serve at home, this ain’t going past six games. I don’t care who(m) stern/league wants.

  • kulas Posted: May.22 at 10:00 am
    Both teams got veteran point guards but only one is playing like a veteran. The other one shows suspect decision making and gunning even when his shot is not falling. 1-9 FGM-A, 1-5 3pt 3PM-A, 3 assts, 2 TO I know Fish is not capable of beating anyone off the dribble, for his team’s sake, if his shot is not falling, he should just pass the damn ball.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:00 am
    I like Dark breaking down all these different Nugget players. Too funny. Oh and Shia, regarding your crying for the refs, tell me how a guy gets 4 debatable calls in less than six minutes which basically rendered him useless (not that’s he so great otherwise) for the entire game? And he’s a starter at that. I’m not getting any younger waiting, kid.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:01 am
    …. JR’s offense might still be awol, but dude was busting his butt doing the little things all night long. the offensive foul he forced on Kobe, the way he crossed the lane to mess up that jumpball (yeah yeah, violation) coming in early to defend Kobe when Dahntay got the clamps put on him by the refs (great calls guys, so i can’t put my forearm on the back of a player posting me up anymore? twice?! l’uuuvlé)..i was quite impressed by his will to do anything for the team. he IS going to go off in one of these games, till then, keep playing with ya head playa.

  • Cub Buenning Posted: May.22 at 10:02 am
    While JR has made me nervous (why is he so involved late in that game?) these next two games will see the “home darlings” Smith and Birdman blow up. These two play most of their great games at home and both have been irrelevant/detrimental at times in the series’ first two games.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:04 am
    Obviously JR’s one go off game will come at home. And Co-Sign Cub. If the Nugs win the next two at home (a really big if) it’s bye bye Lakeshow.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:05 am
    JR’s decison making is awful when he tries to fun point-forward or whatever it is that Karl thinks he has the potential for.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:05 am
    E: here come the Laker observations…… Pau Gasol in an isolation against Nene or Anderson is an automatic two points of foul call. So hey, let’s keep up chucking the ball from outside lakers. Pau played very well, was always in middle of the paint creating havoc on the glass, and ate “Birdman” for lunch (and dinner. Chris is a great shot alterer and weakside defender, one on one in the post? Not so much.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.22 at 10:06 am
    The Cavs losing Game One of the ECF to a team they went 1-2 against in the regular season didn’t mean anything, but the Lakers splitting the first two games at home with the Nuggets is something for the usual Greek chorus of virulent Laker haters to gloat about. OK. That doesn’t make a lick of sense to me, and I’m rooting for the Nuggets.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.22 at 10:07 am
    For the first time I’m getting the sense that Melo is all growed up. He’s been using his size/strength advantage over Kobe and Ariza masterfully. Last night’s performance really reminds me of his play for Syracuse during the NCAA tourney, especially the virtuosic offensive rebounding. Also, that stretch early in the second where he basically decided he was hot, was really impressive.
    The Nuggets looked fantastic, but I still don’t feel like we’ve seen them play a complete game, Lakers fans should be worried. Seriously.

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  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:08 am
    …… i don’t like the man, and i understand the “hate” that Sasha gets online, but watching him wilt like an unwatered plant in front of the world was kinda….AWESOME! When he missed that wideopen jumper at the end of the 1st, Kobe was so mad, he refused to give Gasol a tap when the other stretched out his hand for one. Machine, eh?

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:08 am
    I’m wondering if the SLAM staff got a bonus for having the Vitamin Water poster with Kobe and Lebron set in the new issue?

  • Cub Buenning Posted: May.22 at 10:09 am
    Chauncey was the difference for me last night, as composed to Tuesday night. Other than two late 3′s in Game 1, I thought he played his worst game of the postseason. He wasn’t in control or dictating his own offense. Despite not shooting great, he ran that game last night. 4th qtr FT DEN: 13-14 LAL 9-14 just saying.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:11 am
    Pau is obviously the most consistent Laker on the offensive end. Kobe is always great from the perimiter, but somewhere along the line Phil HAS TO realize that the Lakers were getting EVERY loose rebound because of their size and then he decides to just run plays on the perimiter for Bean? Just dumb and Phil is not that.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:12 am
    Don’t point out facts, Cub. It means less than nothing to the protectors of pourous ball.

  • Bryan Posted: May.22 at 10:12 am
    Maybe one of those calls was debabtable. Maybe. And debatable still is not blatant. Co sign russ by the way.

  • Cub Buenning Posted: May.22 at 10:13 am
    ciolk, even if I ignore those last two road disasters for the Lakers, I would agree that a 25-point Pepsi Center beating could be in the works with the way Denver has been playing at home for the past two months. I gotta cosign Dark about Pau. When given the chance in the post, he was unstoppable.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:13 am
    …..Luke Walton spinning round Chauncey on the mismatch and scoring was purrrty, and clever
    …..That Chris Brown lookalike got skills, why didn’t he play more again?
    …..Wait till Bynum gets back. (hehe)
    …..Ariza is a beast! scary as they come in term of raw athleticism but he does have problems with decision making at times. Another factor i attest to every Laker players unwillingness to anger the basketball genius.
    …..Jeff Van Gundy saying “ball don’t lie”, while explaining he got that from Sheed was too funny.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.22 at 10:14 am
    Cub makes a good point, JR and Birdman REALLY thrive at home, and that Denver crowd is going to be rowdy. I can see Jr having his first “JR game” of this series in game 3. The Lakers cannot afford to come out and sleepwalk for even one quarter on Staurday, or they will get smoked. And I’m not hating on the Lakers, at this point I’m just really appreciating the play and spirit of the Nuggets. Melo’s star is indeed on the rise, and I couldn’t be happier.

  • Babygab Posted: May.22 at 10:14 am
    Denver in 6

  • neaorin Posted: May.22 at 10:16 am
    I think a lot of people simply hate the Lakers fans – a lot of them are obnoxious beyond any comprehension despite the fact that their current core hasn’t won anything. You get moronic stuff like “we only count championships as success” and “LeBron sucks he’s not as clutch as Kobe and he whines to the refs every play” coming from them all the time. On the other hand Cleveland fans are so used to their teams finding new and interesting ways to lose that most are way too scared to act like pricks, even though some of them may be just that. Their bandwagoners seem to be doing the trash talking for the most part. You don’t hate on bandwagoners, you just put on a condescending smile and move on.

  • Cub Buenning Posted: May.22 at 10:16 am
    Excited for Saturday night! I won’t be doing the game recap but I will be present; enjoying a unique experience to be retold in much grander fashion later next week. City is pumped. My 8.75 months pregnant wife is even throwing down some benjamins for a quality seat.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:16 am
    …..Umm, i hate to say it but, Kenyon is BALLING right now. High percentage shooting, GREAT D on anyone he’s assigned to, and the same old tough guy act (he tangled with Gasol at least twice). Gotta love that about a man who had two supposed career ending knee surgeries. (dude still get’s off the ground like an energizer bunny. HOW?)

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:17 am
    ciolk, don’t appreciate a Laker opponet. It makes you an as*hole hater. You know, the whole underdog thing is always interesting and obviously the Lakers had the trophy at the beginning of the season, so the rest of us are just hoping for the untinkable which would be cool ’cause the underdog never wins. Ever. Or do they?

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:20 am
    I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the 09 playoffs so far and a few games have made an impression (Bulls-C’s game 6, Dallas-Nuggs 3&4, Houston-LA 1&4 and now this last one). A sucker for well executed, high paced, smashmouth basketball…i am! (Yodarism of the day, naaatch)
    Please lord, give us more of this all the way to the finals.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.22 at 10:20 am
    If the Nuggets win Game Three by 25, they’re winning the whole thing. Period. They may as well schedule the While Hous trip right then and there. I’m thinking…July 26th. Does that work for everyone?

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.22 at 10:21 am
    +e

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:22 am
    So, that was (most of) my rant on this game, thanks for indulging me folks. One last thing, after watching Kob’s body language and tantrums, my dislike for him is just the same as ever. Poor teammates, especially the younger guys who defer to him.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.22 at 10:23 am
    Big ups to Linas Kleiza. he doesn’t always seem to give consistent effort, but when he makes a couple shots the rest of his game really comes out, namely the rebounding. He gave the Nuggets the type of production they usually get from JR when he’s clicking. Offensively, the Nuggets are clearly the deepest team in the L. I don’t think thats debateable. I’m so happy that this team is starting to realize its identity, Thanks in very large part to Chauncey’s steady hand, and Melo is just making those who doubt his elite status look ridiculous.(He definitely shoulda been ALL NBA 2nd team)

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.22 at 10:25 am
    THAT IS AWESOME CUB! Congrats on the baby on the way. Judging from her desire to be at that game I’d say you are a lucky man.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 10:25 am
    Wow. I didn’t even get to see the last two quarters. But as crazy as the games have been and how evenly matched these teams are, I can see this going the distance. Lake show has gotte work on this adding to a lead thing. Those missed 3′s from sasha, those made 3′s from kileza were gonna catch up to us sooner of later. Also understand people a lot of laker fans are on the west, and are awake 3 hours later than the haters. And this isn’t the first thing we do when we wake up in the morning. But win or lose I’m gonna say something. Good game, series will come down to Kobe v melo on alternating possesions. George karl was shook after game one, now he’s talking that destiny junk. Awwwww sh** are you kidding me?!

  • Tom Posted: May.22 at 10:26 am
    Will somebody tell the Lakers that fouling on every damn possession is not actually considered defense. And what happened to Pau on the glass in the 2nd half……Melo is just amazing to watch in this series.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:29 am
    July 26th works for me, Russ. Barack better start working on his jumper, i see a scrimmage with the nba champs in his future

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:30 am
    How difficult would it be for the Lakers to run numerous pick and rolls with Bean and Pau? do they ever? Both have great hands and great decision making, but this whole “start Kobe in the post and we are wearing him down cause he’s expending a ton of energy” is going to bite them in the ass.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:30 am
    Cub, congrats on the new family member arriving soon. Happy for ya

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:31 am
    Mountain Baby Buenning?

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:32 am
    Eboy is so right about the inability of the Lakers to use Gasol efficiently. (geez, and i used to dislike Lumber-Pau, but dude can play, no question)

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.22 at 10:34 am
    Dark: I completely agree, I actually think Kobe didn’t try that hard to get open on the last shot that ended up on Fisher’s incapable hands. He was just too frustrated by that point, his body language was pretty terrible throughout the fourth quarter.
    Personally, much of my dislike for the maba drived from the thought that he wouldn’t be much fun to play with, largely because of his past ball hogging, and although he is more of a facilitator now, he still doesn’t have a good relationship with his teammates. Chauncey calls his guys out almost as often, but because his teammates know he respects them, they can take it as constructive criticism and move on with a shared goal. Sometimes it feels like Kobe is antagonozong his teammates, and they don’t trust him not to disrespect them. Basically, I don’t think the Laker lockerroom is nearly as strong as the Nuggets’ or Cavs’ and that stuff matters when teams are as closely matched as these two.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:36 am
    Ciolk: true that.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:37 am
    I don’t know if it’s their inability to use him efficiently or if Phil tries to just measure touches to keep Kobe placated. It was all good in the regular season when they were running over the Clippers and such and doing whatever they wanted in those games and Kobe was more than willing to defer but now, “I want the ball on every possession, I always want the ball” as Bean spoke after the game yesterday, it’s crunch time, and I’m not sure if they trust Pau completley to run the offense for more than a few possessions at a time.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.22 at 10:39 am
    Yeah, Pau was pretty damn solid. But the only way he got the ball was by offensive rebounding. His touches fell off dramatically in the second half. He’s too efficient fior the Lakers to not figure out a way to consistently get him the rock.
    If Pau/Odom/Bynum is consistently outscored/outplayed by Nene/KMart/Birdman the Lakers are in serious trouble.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:39 am
    And I’d add in the Magic locker room too, ciolk. They seem rock solid since that Van Jeremy call out last week.

  • Cub Buenning Posted: May.22 at 10:41 am
    My wife is a SoCal that grew up a Laker diehard but has since become more of a fan of the Nugs than I am.
    Indeed, I am lucky, she rules.

  • ali Posted: May.22 at 10:41 am
    wow does anyone here believe in constructive basketball analysis or when it comes to the lakers..its just kobe sucks and we want him to die a miserable death and fail in a grand fashion and the lakers suck…the calls at the end of the game were bad and the lakers were the best road team in the league so lets wait before punching denvers ticket to the finals

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.22 at 10:41 am
    Totally agree. Thats where that ‘never say die’ attitude comes from.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:41 am
    If that’s the thought process, then maybe Phil needs to quit and go write another tell all book. Pau Gasol knows ball, full stop. I played with a cat back in europe who was on the bench for the spanish junior national side and he played with Pau and Calderon for like 2 years. Pau sometimes played Point in those years, thus the surprising ballhandling he displays at times. and watching him go to work in the post is quite wonderful, such good footwork from such a lanky guy is at times amazing. If they don’t trust that, they be wearing blinders

  • Myles Brown Posted: May.22 at 10:43 am
    Gotta love it when two evenly matched teams play two extremely close games and all of a sudden theres talk of the Nuggets holding serve at home. “But they’re awesome at home! Theyve won ___ games in a row dating back to whenever!” Yes, and so were the Cavs. And the Lakers were a great home team too. But that didnt mean much at all. Denver could split just as easily as the Lakers and we’d be right back where we started. And the town of objectivity has truly become a dot in the rearview mirror when were questioning Kobes desire to take the last shot. Its not as though he had the ball in his hands and passed it, he never got it and it wasnt due to a lack of desire, it was due to Melo playing great ball denial defense which he had multiple times during the second half. And judging by the shots KB nailed with Melo all over him, I dont think he was lacking confidence either. Have to say I didnt think Melo was capable of such a defensive effort, but props to him. Derek Fisher, again. Son of Sam had better shot selection. 1-9. Think about it buddy. Nuggets showed some resiliency and now they have a chance to take control. Well see if they hold court or if the Lakers respond. ORITCOULDBEALLOVERNOWLETSDANCEONTHEIRGRAVESWISHFULTHINKGRULES!

  • AlbertBarr Posted: May.22 at 10:43 am
    ali…I think you have not actually read any of these posts today

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:44 am
    Who has said that Kobe completley fu*ked up the game? Boy, these people are dense.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:45 am
    The third quarter line up Denver used (Kleiza, Birdman, JR, Melo and Billups) is potentially the best offensive unit left in the playoffs. That unit was clicking on O, and hustling their collective butts off on D to keep them in the game. That was a clever lineup Karl put out there. Especially since Nene is more interested in proving how tough he is instead of you know, playing ball.

  • Allenp Posted: May.22 at 10:46 am
    I gotta admit, I was wrong about Denver. I can’t even keep hating on these cats. I think the refs are killing this series though.
    And Carmelo is not the second best small forward in the league and a notch below the Wade, Lebron, Kobe level of player. That dude is a beast. He is showing me something right now. He’s finally abusing smaller defenders and out quicking bigger defenders. If only he could learn to be a better passer, he would make the NBA trinity a foursome.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.22 at 10:46 am
    Whatever Ali, I think you are exaggerating. The Lakers are going to need to play better than they have so far at home to have a chance in Denver, thats basically a fact. I’m not saying they can’t do it, but it ain’t gonna get any easier.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:46 am
    Thought Brown was done with this nuisance called “commenting”? Hasn’t he stated this multiple times already? Hmm..

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 10:48 am
    I’d say this….if that Lamar Odom that was lighting sh*t up (not literally)midseason shows up in the next few games, the Lakers could be well on their way to taking this series. I think Bynum being back and having to make minutes available for him could be the shortfall the Lakers didn’t expect by taking away time from Lamar, who was balling at an incredibly high level, a level never approached by Kid Quizno.

  • Ryan Jones Posted: May.22 at 10:49 am
    http://www.theonion.com/content/from_print/chauncy_billups_exploits?utm_source=featureband

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:50 am
    But Lamar only kept that level up for like the first 2-3 weeks after the Bynum injury, he was more pedestrian for the rest of that stretch and far as i know, back spasms don’t help when you wanna turn back into superodom.

  • Allenp Posted: May.22 at 10:53 am
    And what the hell happened to Bynum in the second half? Was he shot at halftime? Why did Phil stick with Lamar for so long when a)Lamar couldn’t stop anybody on defense, b)he was a liability on offense? When Bynum was in the game in the first half the Lakers totally dominated the offensive glass. Now, I know the Nuggets went to Klieza and that meant going small for a while, but Bynum needs his burn!

  • Allenp Posted: May.22 at 10:55 am
    My bad, I meant to say Melo is NOW the second best small forward. Excuse the typo.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.22 at 10:55 am
    I think Melo is a really good passer Allen, sometimes he gets a little shot happy, but right now thats not a bad thing. But you’re totally right about him finally “abusing” smaller defenders. His has straight bodied Ariza and Kobe whenever they are matched up in the post or fighting for boards. My only criticism would be that Denver needs him to do more work on the defensive glass, instead of leaking out on the break. But even as a longtime Melo fan, I’ve been amazed by his D, its been fundamentally solid, and he’s shown great effort.
    Seriously, for me this is not about disliking Kobe or the Lakers at all. I am legitimately happy for this Nuggs team. Their spirit, personality (Melo cheesin during cruch time) and style of play are what I, as a fan, want to see. I love the way they play the game and I want to see them have success, thats my only motive at this point.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 10:55 am
    Allenp has a point there. Bynum’s sad expressions on the bench were heartbreaking. Dude isn’t getting any meaningful PT.

  • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.22 at 10:58 am
    This has to be the worst officiated playoffs ever. From Anti-Mike’s BLATANT push to who-ever-that-was’s back that initiated the Ariza fast break and And1, to JR Smith’s BLATANT jump-ball violation. Perhaps 6 refs are needed a game. Why the heck can’t anyone officiate a jump-ball anymore?

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 11:01 am
    This is why i’ve been a slamonline fan over the years. For every person who comes here to just annoy/insult/spew F-bombs at others, there are pure fans of the game. Latest example? ciolkstar’s assessment of why this series is making him happy…..

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.22 at 11:01 am
    Not to mention poor Dahntay Jones racking up four fouls in roughly eight seconds of PT.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 11:01 am
    Co-sign Jay.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 11:02 am
    What happened to Kobe guarding Billups? It worked like a charm in Game 1, and now they go away from it? Phil needs to stop mixing and matching, cause Denver is gonna keep throwing the same thing at the Lakers every night. Melo, Melo and some more Melo. Let Melo get his, Focus on stopping Billups and the Denver Bigs. Worked for Orlando.

  • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.22 at 11:05 am
    Bynum’s not getting any meaningful PT because the Playboy Bunny on his shoulders sapped the Samson stregnth out of his young, corny @$$. If Anti-Mike really wants to emulate his idol, he needs to do a public on the court Jordan/Cartwright screaming IMMEDIATLEY.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 11:07 am
    Actually, only one Denver big is having a solid series so far, K-Mart. Thus i understand the lack of focus in trying to stop em.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 11:11 am
    “Anti-Mike”, i like that. has a nice ring to it. and i’ve never heard it until today… i might lay “Mambiatch” to rest, in favour of…..naaaaah.

  • Allenp Posted: May.22 at 11:15 am
    Oh, and I wanted to co-sign Darksaber’s earlier assessment of the “real” Kobe coming out last night.
    That’s a whining, crying amazingly skilled basketball player. It’s as hard to root for him as it is to root against him.
    I could not stand how he complained about his teammates every mistake, and made no attempt to apologize for his own. Then again, when you can hit the clutch shots he can hit, do you have to apologize to anybody. If Kobe had Lebron’s personality, it wouldn’t even be a contest about who was the best in the league. But, if he was like Lebron, he might not be as incredibly skilled.
    Anyway, he’s a fascinating and maddening player to watch hoop.

  • SLAM ONLINE | Posted: May.22 at 11:16 am
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  • Slick Nick Da Ruler Posted: May.22 at 11:16 am
    Eboy, Phil did go with the Kobe/Pau pick n’ roll… except that Kobe could not split and turned the ball over.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 11:16 am
    One thing I will say, is the hate stays constant throughout a Laker win or loss. Very nice.

  • Ryan Jones Posted: May.22 at 11:17 am
    I posted a link at 10:49 am that pretty much explains everything.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 11:18 am
    Co-sign Allenp

  • bakers' dozen Posted: May.22 at 11:19 am
    1-1…Going to The Can, which thus far has been a much tougher place to play than STaples for the road teams. Come on, Denver…keep the pressure on them! By the way, how in the WORLD could David West nab an all-star spot and leave Melo out…two arent’ even in the same universe!

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 11:22 am
    haha, Ryan’s onion link was great.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 11:24 am
    Nick, you’re right, but there wasn’t going to be a roll on that play, not from that high up. Kobe was trying to split to get to the lane not to be a setup man. Pau was holding that pick strong.

  • Ryan Jones Posted: May.22 at 11:25 am
    I also posted a wonderfully incendiary Facebook status update, but only a select few of you might be so lucky to read it.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 11:28 am
    Farmer jones on fire. FB update? hmm, how am i gonna sneak my way into Jones’s friend’s list?

  • MeloMan13 Posted: May.22 at 11:30 am
    @James: i’ll take that as a compliment because i don’t know if ur being sencere, or if ur just upset at the fact ur team gave up homecourt.
    Co-sign Cub, Jr and Bird should be much improved in games 3 and 4.
    and i love how Melo gets so much love on here now, when just a few months ago there was nothing but hate

  • Antwonomous Posted: May.22 at 11:31 am
    I don’t understand how people like Darksaber and Eboy can have such personal disdain for a basketball player. I’m sorry, buy you guys are ridiculous.

  • MeloMan13 Posted: May.22 at 11:33 am
    and to all the Lakers fans complaining about fouls: BOOOO F*CKIN HOOO!
    Dauntey got two fouls for placing one forearm on kobes back. and had 4 in 6 minutes!!! stop whining, especially since u guys always get the benefit of the doubt

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 11:34 am
    that’s ok, i’m ridiculous, you’re Antwonomous… we all have our burdens to carry, eh?

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 11:38 am
    Game 3 should be ….. interesting.

  • Slick Nick Da Ruler Posted: May.22 at 11:42 am
    Facebook updates are bougie

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 11:47 am
    People need to learn the comprehensive skill of reading.

  • Slick Nick Da Ruler Posted: May.22 at 11:51 am
    We’re talking about reading!? Not the game we watch every single night, and passionately post about every single morning with emotion-filled rants that justify/prove our love of the game! But we’re talking about reading!?

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 11:54 am
    I always wondered, how could people who have teams that they follow religiously, devote so much time and energy to hate one man?

  • Slick Nick Da Ruler Posted: May.22 at 11:55 am
    Dont hate, just appreciate

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 11:59 am
    ***RAISES HAND WILDLY***ZEE, ZEE, I can answer……because our teams are all gone fishin’ and we have to attach ourselves to the hate machine even tighter!

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 11:59 am
    Eboy, the world of SLAM would cease to exist without you.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 12:00 pm
    SLAM Online that is……

  • Allenp Posted: May.22 at 12:02 pm
    I know NAMBLA would cease to exist without Eboy…
    I’m sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 12:05 pm
    LMAO!!!

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 12:06 pm
    Zee…..come on now bro, you know I’m pretty harmless and my Kobe hate comes from only spot…..the fact that every person and their mother tried to put him in Mike’s category. That’s really it. I was a Mike superfan since I was 12. That was 1982. Seeing Kobe put in his light when he still is hundreds of yards away from being there is just a bone of contension for me. Sportwriters and superfans tainted Mike’s legacy (and in turn stunted Kobe’s) by trying to literally make EVERYTHING the kid did seem like something similar or even better than what Mike did. I’ve stated, probably 50 times on this site (long before I ever saw a Zee screename) that I liked Kobe and his game when he first started out (with the bald head and Tupac goatee). I started to take on the “hate” stance much later for varying reasons, so my dislike for the dude is something that has built over 13 years, it’s not something that I just all of a sudden attached myself to.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 12:08 pm
    Allen, I have a 4 year old. Kill that stupid-ass talk, bro. Jokes or not. I thought you of all people would be better than that.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 12:09 pm
    But again, cats can’t read nowadays, or they only choose to read what they want to, so it’s a problem.

  • Allenp Posted: May.22 at 12:10 pm
    Eboy
    I got two little boys, one 2-years old and the other an infant.
    It was still a funny joke to me. But, my bad if I offended you. Wasn’t trying to be serious.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 12:11 pm
    I know you do, Allen. I wouldn’t go to that spot with you is all. All good.

  • Allenp Posted: May.22 at 12:13 pm
    Kobe is “lightyears” away from Jordan?
    Nah, can’t say that. He ain’t as good as Mike, he won’t ever be as good as Mike, but lightyears is wrong.
    Kobe is the second best two guard of all-time. Mike is first. Kobe is a top ten talent of all time, probably around 8 or 9. Mike is first. That ain’t “lightyears.” A little hyperbole there.

  • neaorin Posted: May.22 at 12:14 pm
    http://i44.tinypic.com/14kd2bq.jpg

  • bakers' dozen Posted: May.22 at 12:21 pm
    Kobe second best 2 of all time?
    I’d bet Oscar Robertson might take exception to that statement.
    People better start talking about Melo in the same sentence as LBJ, DWade, Kobe, et all now, too. Dude gets better when the games get bigger!

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 12:21 pm
    I hear ya. I actually had a bit of hate for your boy Mike since they beat my Lakers back in 91, and pretty much took whatever remaining shine Magic had left (MJ took some, HIV took the rest)it was like they (Media, NBA) wanted to usher out the OG’s and bring in the next movement. But you do realize what you have (un)knowingly spawned don’t you? Half the cats on here are just yapping about who they hate or leaving random KOBE/LEBRON SUCKS!!! Posts that have no validity or intelligence behind them.

  • bakers' dozen Posted: May.22 at 12:24 pm
    KOBE/LEBRON SUCKS!!!

  • bakers' dozen Posted: May.22 at 12:24 pm
    E=MC^2

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 12:27 pm
    The Lebron/Kobe hate debate was spawned by me? Damn.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 12:27 pm
    That was quite the descent 13.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 12:29 pm
    Indirectly.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 12:30 pm
    Ugh…….I thought it was started by resident SLAM firestater/writer/former EIC, Lebron Jones….I mean Ryan.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 12:31 pm
    I think your Acolytes took the baton and ran with it.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 12:32 pm
    Vitaminwater would have some great source material for the latest campaign they’re running if they just hit up these comment boards.

  • Slick Nick Da Ruler Posted: May.22 at 12:34 pm
    Thats why Patrick dunked on Ryan

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 12:37 pm
    The Acolytes? I remember them as a cool tag team in the WWE.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 12:46 pm
    Wow. Judging by some of the flame wars on this comment board, WWE terminology is appropriate.

  • bakers' dozen Posted: May.22 at 1:00 pm
    NWO black/white > NWO wolfpack

  • Antwonomous Posted: May.22 at 1:09 pm
    Nothing personal, Darksaber, you guys obviously know your ball and I think the two of you help take this comments index to a higher place – I know from coming here everyday who the elite commenters are on this site, and that is for a reason. But you seem to have a vendetta against Kobe and obviously that affects your objectivity, which is a shame because you guys are smart and witty. It’s like, use your powers for total good, you know?

  • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.22 at 1:18 pm
    The Acolytes were the Best.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 1:22 pm
    “Say goodnight to the bad guy”

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 1:22 pm
    I can be like the modern day Razor Ramon.

  • Eboy Posted: May.22 at 1:25 pm
    Oh and Antwonomous, I do fight for the total good. His name is Flash!

  • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.22 at 1:26 pm
    And thank you for admiring my phrase for Kobe Darksaber. I like Bizzaro-Mike much better, but it may be limited in people’s lack of understanding of the whole Superman mythology.

  • Michael Posted: May.22 at 1:30 pm
    I don’t know if the Lakers can win in Denver. I’m seriously scared that the Lakers are goint to lose both in Denver and then quit in game 5. The onluy advantage they have left is that no one on Denver has a chnace in hell of gaurding Kobe. He basically fouled out their backcourt in the first quarter. He may have to go for 50 plus for them to get one in Denver.

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 1:41 pm
    Isn’t Razor Ramon the unofficial mayor of Miami?

  • Michael Posted: May.22 at 1:45 pm
    I still can’t understand why Phil is untouchable. His rotations cost the Lakers big yesterday. Bynum’s presence is what makes the Lakers a better team than Denver. When he was on the floor the Lakers were killing the Nuggets, the moment Phil took him out of the game Denver made that run. Then Phil didn’t play him at all in the second half. When Andrew is on the floor Denver has to gaurd him, which means they can no longer double Pau which means the Lakers can run the offense. With Andrew on the bench they are pushibng Pau out of the post and forcing the Lakers to become a jump shooting team.

  • bakers' dozen Posted: May.22 at 2:00 pm
    Bynum is too slow to guard Bird, and Nene is way better than Bynum. Nene has yet to explode like he’s capable of in this series. He’s been in a lot of foul trouble, and the paint gets clogged with the three 7 footers of LA in there. If he gets loose, like I expect him to in the next game or two, look out!

  • MFBABY Posted: May.22 at 2:13 pm
    melo busted lamars @$$ ISO ALL DAY

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 2:56 pm
    Antwonomous (you related to the immortal Anton by any chance? where are his one liners today?) it’s cool my man, i didn’t truly take that personal. everyone is truly different and you are entitled to your opinion, last time i got mad on slamonline was with the Jukester, as long as it’s all the good natured ribbing centered around balling, entertainment etc, i’m game. As for the good fight, come on dude…i’ve been a Kobe detractor for years, i don’t really spend too much time on hating, he does such a good job of being an ostrich’s butt, that i can just pick up on taking him apart. To be honest though, didn’t really criticize his game today, just his antics oncourt and his serious lack of understanding that there’s a place for tantrums and one for encouragement. Short, he’s a douche.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.22 at 2:59 pm
    Spaceship Jay, Bizarro Mike is nice too, but Anti Mike is just so…on point. Like Anti Monitor (if we slide into comics analogies real quick). Just sounds…..right.

  • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.22 at 3:19 pm
    LOL, Thanks.

  • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.22 at 3:52 pm
    And also co-sign James. My friends and I have an ongoing joke about Derek Fisher; Remember that episode of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air when Will was the superstar of the high-school basketball team, and Carlton got jealous enought to the point where he literally GRABBED the ball out of Will’s hands and took the last shot(which hilariously hit the gym’s exit sign)? I flash back to that episode damn near every time Fisher shoots the ball.

  • breeze Posted: May.22 at 3:55 pm
    to respond to kobe not being in the top tens players of all time…who disagree it has to be a personal thing…liek when gundy said kobe maybe the best laker of all time…in skill i agree in pplayer i disagree…i think magicwas a better team player.but when the kobe jim crow laws was invented did i miss the prejudice section against the mamba…now they saying we forgot about melo cause he decided to use the talent we already knew he had when he lead the league in scoring..come on…

  • breeze Posted: May.22 at 3:56 pm
    jay lay-off fisher we might havent won the first game without him..

  • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.22 at 4:12 pm
    Breeze, what did we say when we were watching those horrible kids playing ball? They were taking straight up Fisher shots. Then we laughed. Did we not? Yes, he made that last milisecond shot against the Spurs that night Roy Jones got knocked the @#$^ out, but WE GOTTA LET GO OF THAT!

  • breeze Posted: May.22 at 4:24 pm
    you heard phil he said …he thought they would foul kobe so he payed decoy…game 1 fisher hit 2 three that we needed ..you can take those if you can take the miss shots …

  • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.22 at 4:30 pm
    From what I saw, they decoyed Kobe, but the Melo on Kobe coverage wouldn’t have been enough for Anti-Mike to at LEAST get a 3-pointer in the air. I’d take that over a clutch Carlton Banks 3 anyday.

  • breeze Posted: May.22 at 5:00 pm
    lol….but they would have fouled before he got a shot off

  • Zee! Posted: May.22 at 5:00 pm
    To quote Cam’ron, Fisher needs to Cuuuuuurrrrvvvee….

  • Todd Spehr Posted: May.23 at 1:34 am
    There’s nothing more irritating then when Kobe gets in the lane, gets bumped, and yells “Heeey!” at the refs. I reckon he does it twice a quarter. That’s all I’ve got.

  • chintao Posted: May.25 at 5:21 am
    Darksaber annihilated this post. I am honored to have read his words.

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