Thursday, May 21st, 2009 at 9:53 am  |  96 responses

SLAMonline Mock Draft: Hasheem Thabeet, No. 2

The Commish picks a defensive big man. But is he tough enough?

Hasheem Thabeet

by Vincent Thomas / @vincecathomas

With the second pick in the 2009 SLAMonline Mock Draft, the Memphis Grizzlies select…

Hasheem Thabeet. Every time I see this Ricky Rubio mix or this one or that one, I fleetingly convince myself into selecting the 18-year-old savant. He’s got more flair than Brian from Office Space. You gotta use words like “uncanny” and “special” and “brilliant” to describe some of the moves he pulls out of the crack of his narrow @$$. Rubio, like his fellow SLAM coverboy Brandon Jennings, captures the imagination—he’s arresting. Meanwhile, my current point guard, Mike Conley, doesn’t exactly have me caught up in rapture. So why then, am I passing on Rubio—who could be one of the defining players of his generation—for a dude who has been described as Dikembe Mutombo, at best, and Brad Sellers, at worst? Because, I’m all about composition, balance and identity; and Mutombo is exactly what I need.

It’s scary, though, checking my roster and seeing the name “Darko Milicic.” I’m nowhere near the GM that Joe Dumars is and it was he who tricked himself into passing on Melo, DWade and Bosh, because he thought Milicic was the type of talent his team “needed.” If Joe was duped, I can only imagine my capacity to get bamboozled. I mean, I don’t need to rehash my executive mistakes. My cohorts and the opinionators always preach drafting for talent and not team need. That means, if it’s 1997 and you already have a big man like David Robinson, you still draft Tim Duncan and make it work. But this isn’t just about filling a void. It’s not, “we need size, let’s bypass Rubio or the equally tantalizing Jennings and kop Thabeet.”

If I draft Rubio, that basically means that I’m going to either let Rudy Gay walk at the end of his contract or trade him before the end before next season’s deadline. It might even mean that I’m not sold on O.J. I say that because, Rubio-Mayo-Gay seems like too much dynamism for one perimeter. Rubio is a playmaker. Playmakers need the rock. Remember when the Lakers drafted Magic and, every time a fast break started, Magic and point guard Norm Nixon would fight over the ball? That’s what I envision with a Rubio-Mayo backcourt. Not so much on breaks (I cream my pants thinking about O.J. and Rudy on the wings getting Houdini-dishes from Rubio), but in almost every other offensive scenario. I want to make Mayo-Gay work. The best way to do that is keep Conley, let him continue developing into a solid, preferably really good, starting point guard—a newer version of the Chauncey Billups orchestrator-archetype. Someone who can create, yes, but someone that I won’t feel like I’m wasting when he gives it up to my two wings and says “go ‘head.” And then, I want to back up my Mayo-Gay foundation with a rebounding, defensive 4-5 combo.

We already have Marc Gasol (yes, I know he and Rubio come with built-in chemistry from their Spain days, which makes the Rubio pick look even better); by adding Thabeet, we’d have one of the most imposing front courts in tHasheem Thabeetwo or three years. That gives us a young, athletic squad, with defined roles and a potentially stifling defense (all three perimeter guys can get after it). That’s a team that, in theory, wins a championship, at some point. Nobody thinks Mayo-Gay can work, but I do.

I don’t know if Thabeet will ever become Mutombo. He has that potential, though. He’s an exceptional rebounder and a “real” shot blocker. I say “real” because he rarely swats the ball out of bounds like every other doofus big man in the game. He changes a game and can end up having the broadest impact of any of the top five prospects. His suspect toughness worries me. I would love it if he were confrontational. If he were ornery, he wouldn’t have let DeJuan Blair thug his lunch money, like he did in January. I can see Kendrick Perkins and Nene turning him into a Shook One (shhh, that’s why I wanna lay about $1 million a year on Charles Oakley to come work with him). I want the young dude to work on his post moves, but, again, I’m about building a team identity through role-definition. Marc is our low post offensive threat. Thabeet needs to focus on putbacks and that’s really it…then go down on the other end and shut down about 80 square feet of the court. There’s a flimsiness about Rubio and his game, an emptiness. He reminds me of two recent players, a mix of Jason Williams and Shaun Livingston. Soooo…. Bottom line: I want a substantial squad.

I could very well regret this decision and every time I think about that $7.5 million we’re paying Darko next year—or look at those YouTube mixes—I get cold feet. But between now and late-June, I will sufficiently convince myself that this is the prescient, tactical, smart pick. Yeah, Thabeet—I’m rollin’ with the Tanzanian.

2009 SLAMonline Mock Draft Results
Pick Team Player
1 L.A. Clippers Blake Griffin
2 Memphis Grizzlies Hasheem Thabeet

Vincent Thomas is a columnist and feature writer for SLAM, a contributing commentator for ESPN and writes the weekly “From The Floor” column for NBA.com. You can email him your feedback at vincethomas79@gmail.com or follow him on Twitter at @vincecathomas.

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  • http://slam warr

    why are yal talking about the thunder when memphis has the second pick

  • breeze

    ricky for prez’

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    Because Memphis has already made their pick and Emry DowningHall is on the clock.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    Hasheem Thabeet is what would’ve happened if Kwame Brown had went to college.

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    Nice – I just wrote a blog about Rubio needing to go to OKC – now SLAMonline is going to make it happen!

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    You are nuts, BLong. Kwame isn’t nearly as big or long as Thabeet, he has possibly the worst hands I’ve ever seen on a big, and slow feet. Now Thabeet is clearly still a little raw, but he has better physical tools and is probably already better than Kwame, even though he’s only been playing organized ball for like 5 years…

  • Tavoris

    ciolkstar…u r right…they are two different types of players. Kwame Brown is supposed 2 b the player Dwight Howard was 2 seasons ago. But, Jordan got to that ego, and…

    BETCATS, the #2 pick is supposed to yield more than Andre Miller, but there aren’t many more pieces that’ll fit in OKC
    @Everyone down on Jordan Hill…not saying he’s deserving of being picked that high, but he WILL. Size with potential will get picked over small with potential every day. Griffin is the closest thing to a sure thing. Rubio is bursting with talent, but for every GM who is raving over him, there is also one who remembers the ghosts of Shane Heal, Saraunas Jacikevicius, Carlos Arroyo, Carlos Delfino, and the myriad of other random euro players who did well against the USA-but failed to translate that into NBA success. As talented as the kid is, you have to imagine he will have 1)a huge adjustment to the NBA game (which is stil VERY different than FIBA-especially defensively), and 2) pressure to perform NOW-he’s easily the most notorious foreign prospect since Yao.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Tavoris: NONE of those dudes you mentioned (outside of Saraunas… not sure what happened to that dude. I wonder if the Clippers never gave him the chance he really deserved) were anywhere close to as hyped as Rubio is. I’d even argue that all those dudes (once agian, outside of Saraunas) isn’t as good as Rubio is RIGHT NOW. Yeah, I said it: Rubio at 18 is better than Carlos Arroyo and Carlos Delfino. Arroyo never could play the point position properly and was always out of position, Delfino was just overrated garbage. Shane Heal, well, is Shane Heal.
    Jordan Hill, at most, will be a poor man’s Amare: and I’m saying that because I don’t think Jordan Hill will ever, EVER get ‘defense’ and that is exactly why OKC wont ever find a use for him. Why would you take a purely offensive player if you have Kevin Durant on your team?

  • Tavoris

    Jukai, because the draft is pretty weak. And potential (especially 6’9″ 6’10″ potential) will be drafted high. Not saying it’s sensible, but I”d b VERY suprised to see Jordan Hill available after 4.

  • vmcb

    I don’t like the top half of the lottery. There’s so many players that fit, yet are in conflict with already existing rosters. I don’t know what I would do if I were Memphis. They did just trade away Lowry to free up time for Conley. Do they give up on him so quickly for Rubio? Or do they play it “safe” and draft Thabeet? MY HEART IS RACING.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Whoa, Jordan Hill will not go top 4, especially not to Sacramento who already has two skinny bigs with suspect D (Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson) He’ll go top 6-8, but I don’t see him ever being worth that pick, I’d even say “poor man’s Amare” overstates his strengths.

  • Tavoris

    ciolkstar, if I was a GM, i wouldnt pick him that high either…but u have to look at the inept franschises that are in those positions. If it that far-fetched that they’d pick a big-that can score?

  • David

    So part of the mock draft is simulating the bad decision making abilities of the… ‘less fortunate’ teams in the league?

    Just kidding. Although the NBA draft has lots of examples of project defensive centers that haven’t worked out all that well.

  • Tavoris

    yep, David…if the GM’s all worked together picked based on need, then Rubio would go #1. The Clips need a PG that will distribute to their MANY scorers more than they need a potentially game-changing PF who may have trouble getting minutes-and shots-his rookie year.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    ZBo, Kaman, or Camby will need to get traded and Camby is the only guy who’s deal isn’t immoveable at this point. I think they’d be best off trading kaman and trying to convince ZBo to come off the bench as a scorer. The Clips really need to consider hiring a new coach though, because Dun refuses to use all the talent he has effectively. Posting Chris Kaman up 8 times a game is NOT working, OK dude? They have athletes at every position and they need to RUN to take advantage of their strengths.
    Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, AL Thornton, with Griffin and Camby is a BEAST of a starting five.
    The only problem is that it leaves nearly $30 million a year (YIKES!) worth of post players on their bench (Kaman and ZBO) My guess is that they’ll have to move Camby, because he’s the only guy other teams would even consider, for some sorely needed backcourt depth, and to clear some PT for Blake Griffin. So they’ll end up starting Kaman, who will almost certainly get injured at some point, and splittling time with ZBO and Griffin at PF, stifling the rooks growth and making ZBo even moodier, before eventully playing them together in the frontcourt and loosing 50 games. Sounds great, huh?

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan13

    @ Chendaddy: Have u seen thabeet?? if u combine HIS weight with green and durant its like 350.

  • Tavoris

    ciolkstar, there is one problem with that lineup…Baron Davis doesn’t distribute the ball….Also, Randolph is NOT gonna come off the bench.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I know we can’t propose trades, but are “GMs” allowed to make threats? Cause if any of you take ________ before my sixth pick, Ill kill you.

  • http://pnpfamilplaycenter.com Wanu

    LOL@ cream in my pants….M dot Gasol, Mt. Thabeet, R.U.D.Y.,OJ and Conley look good on paper….but Conley has to step up his game for this to work, maybe scoopin’ Lindsey Hunter or even Sam Cassell for the player/coach role…Thabeet is from Africa so instead of Oak tree try to get Olajuwon…but a good pick

  • Quail

    the sad thing is, this is probably wut will happen. either way, OKC will fill a hole with Thabeet or Rubio.

  • swifthammer

    As one of the few Grizzlies fans that are on this site, I would love them to take Rubio to inject some life into a dying franchise, that being said Chris Wallace will take Thabeet because he loves Conley even though he has some serious flaws. It was hard watching the Rox/Lakers series watching Kyle Lowry pump in big miinutes

  • swifthammer

    watching college ball this yr, it bothered me seeing Thabeet getting used by a 6’7 dejuan blair or anyone over 6’9 with a little bit of quickness, and Chris wallace will find a way to screw this up, I hope not as one of the 7 grizz fans left

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Myles…I don’t think anyone is going to get after Chase Budinger quite that quickly….
    I know who Myles wants!!!
    Al-Farouq Aminu!!! COME ON DOWN!!!

  • spirow

    Okay this is a dumb article i’ve waisted time reading. . . First off you gotta stop having this bad image of european players. Brandon Jennings was suppose to be the hands down number 1 pick this year before he went to europe. Now he’s not even top 5. . . It’s obvious Rubio can hold his own. . . And a guy like Oj mayo will benefit from it the most. These are not the old Kobe days where guys are selfish. . . Everyone knows getting points just simply dosn’t cut it nomore. You gotta be a passer, shot blocker, rebounder. . . Thats how the games changed thanks to Lebron, and everyone tries following the Best player. . . He set the standard so be happy that the grizzlies pick ricky, And if you wanna get rid of rudy gay, they should because i Really think he reached his ceiling, he’s over rated because he can dunk. . . Trade your second overall pick and Gay for number 1. . . Griffen! Might be too much but i’ve been studying scouting reports on this guy. . . He’ll be better then stadomire. . . The guy can jump high as lebron, and dewight. . . He’s a freak and has excelled at every level. . . He’ll be a perfect fit for memphis!

  • chintao

    Good thoughts, but you seemed to purposely avoid any references to Gay-Mayo (that must be a synonym for homosexual spooge), instead consistently writing Mayo-Gay. I suppose it was wise, assuming that you only want to be taken seriously….

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    OKC and Memphis need size. They both need that rim protector. Sacramento and Minny are the two teams that need him and they should do everything they can to trade for him if he is snatched before their turn.

  • chintao

    While I know next to nothing about the kid, Rubio is about to undertake a seismic shift in his life. No matter what anyone says, he has never been tested under the conditions he is about to encounter in the NBA. I could envision a scenario in which he has far less impact than many people believe.

  • al

    Memphis, do whatever you want, but if you pass on Rubio you will regret it forever.

    I understand it is tough to follow from the US, but what Rubio is doing over here in Europe is absolutely awesome. He is the leader of a top 5 time in the second best league in the world, not only that, he leads the league in steals and assists and he is one of the 2 best PG in the competition (the other being a starter for Argentina National Team, aged 32).

    Do your choices as you wish, but Rubio is a sure bet, and is something else

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Chintao- nah, I think it was more because it was position based- Mayo at the 1/2 and Gay at the 2/3.

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  • chintao

    Word, Hursty? I dunno. At some points, it seemed a little forced. Gay-Mayo just rolls of the tongue and trickles down the chin (no no- homo), while Mayo-Gay is much harder to say.

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  • alexz

    no….i never even heard of this guy….2nd pick over rickey rubio! its bad enough that hes not first let alone 3rd! thabeet will fade into a nobody.

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