Thursday, May 21st, 2009 at 9:53 am  |  96 responses

SLAMonline Mock Draft: Hasheem Thabeet, No. 2

The Commish picks a defensive big man. But is he tough enough?

Hasheem Thabeet

by Vincent Thomas / @vincecathomas

With the second pick in the 2009 SLAMonline Mock Draft, the Memphis Grizzlies select…

Hasheem Thabeet. Every time I see this Ricky Rubio mix or this one or that one, I fleetingly convince myself into selecting the 18-year-old savant. He’s got more flair than Brian from Office Space. You gotta use words like “uncanny” and “special” and “brilliant” to describe some of the moves he pulls out of the crack of his narrow @$$. Rubio, like his fellow SLAM coverboy Brandon Jennings, captures the imagination—he’s arresting. Meanwhile, my current point guard, Mike Conley, doesn’t exactly have me caught up in rapture. So why then, am I passing on Rubio—who could be one of the defining players of his generation—for a dude who has been described as Dikembe Mutombo, at best, and Brad Sellers, at worst? Because, I’m all about composition, balance and identity; and Mutombo is exactly what I need.

It’s scary, though, checking my roster and seeing the name “Darko Milicic.” I’m nowhere near the GM that Joe Dumars is and it was he who tricked himself into passing on Melo, DWade and Bosh, because he thought Milicic was the type of talent his team “needed.” If Joe was duped, I can only imagine my capacity to get bamboozled. I mean, I don’t need to rehash my executive mistakes. My cohorts and the opinionators always preach drafting for talent and not team need. That means, if it’s 1997 and you already have a big man like David Robinson, you still draft Tim Duncan and make it work. But this isn’t just about filling a void. It’s not, “we need size, let’s bypass Rubio or the equally tantalizing Jennings and kop Thabeet.”

If I draft Rubio, that basically means that I’m going to either let Rudy Gay walk at the end of his contract or trade him before the end before next season’s deadline. It might even mean that I’m not sold on O.J. I say that because, Rubio-Mayo-Gay seems like too much dynamism for one perimeter. Rubio is a playmaker. Playmakers need the rock. Remember when the Lakers drafted Magic and, every time a fast break started, Magic and point guard Norm Nixon would fight over the ball? That’s what I envision with a Rubio-Mayo backcourt. Not so much on breaks (I cream my pants thinking about O.J. and Rudy on the wings getting Houdini-dishes from Rubio), but in almost every other offensive scenario. I want to make Mayo-Gay work. The best way to do that is keep Conley, let him continue developing into a solid, preferably really good, starting point guard—a newer version of the Chauncey Billups orchestrator-archetype. Someone who can create, yes, but someone that I won’t feel like I’m wasting when he gives it up to my two wings and says “go ‘head.” And then, I want to back up my Mayo-Gay foundation with a rebounding, defensive 4-5 combo.

We already have Marc Gasol (yes, I know he and Rubio come with built-in chemistry from their Spain days, which makes the Rubio pick look even better); by adding Thabeet, we’d have one of the most imposing front courts in tHasheem Thabeetwo or three years. That gives us a young, athletic squad, with defined roles and a potentially stifling defense (all three perimeter guys can get after it). That’s a team that, in theory, wins a championship, at some point. Nobody thinks Mayo-Gay can work, but I do.

I don’t know if Thabeet will ever become Mutombo. He has that potential, though. He’s an exceptional rebounder and a “real” shot blocker. I say “real” because he rarely swats the ball out of bounds like every other doofus big man in the game. He changes a game and can end up having the broadest impact of any of the top five prospects. His suspect toughness worries me. I would love it if he were confrontational. If he were ornery, he wouldn’t have let DeJuan Blair thug his lunch money, like he did in January. I can see Kendrick Perkins and Nene turning him into a Shook One (shhh, that’s why I wanna lay about $1 million a year on Charles Oakley to come work with him). I want the young dude to work on his post moves, but, again, I’m about building a team identity through role-definition. Marc is our low post offensive threat. Thabeet needs to focus on putbacks and that’s really it…then go down on the other end and shut down about 80 square feet of the court. There’s a flimsiness about Rubio and his game, an emptiness. He reminds me of two recent players, a mix of Jason Williams and Shaun Livingston. Soooo…. Bottom line: I want a substantial squad.

I could very well regret this decision and every time I think about that $7.5 million we’re paying Darko next year—or look at those YouTube mixes—I get cold feet. But between now and late-June, I will sufficiently convince myself that this is the prescient, tactical, smart pick. Yeah, Thabeet—I’m rollin’ with the Tanzanian.

2009 SLAMonline Mock Draft Results
Pick Team Player
1 L.A. Clippers Blake Griffin
2 Memphis Grizzlies Hasheem Thabeet

Vincent Thomas is a columnist and feature writer for SLAM, a contributing commentator for ESPN and writes the weekly “From The Floor” column for NBA.com. You can email him your feedback at vincethomas79@gmail.com or follow him on Twitter at @vincecathomas.

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  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    I woulda taken Ricky in a heartbeat.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    myself as well. This just makes Oklahoma City more loaded thanks to pick 3 I’d wager

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Co-sign, Vincent. Unless we take in trades: I’d draft Ricky and dangle him over OKC so that they give up their third pick and an expiring/other draft picks.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Tough choice for the Thunder next. Do they take Rubio although they already have a good (and NBA-ready) PG in Westbrook?

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Yeah, Hasheem really fits what Memphis needs and though he’s still very raw, he’s got the kind of athleticism,length and size that just does’t come around very often. I still wouldn’t be surprised to see them draft Ricky here and trade him to the higest bidder…
    Besides, I’d much rather see Ricky in OKC. Damn, how fun would that team be?

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T.

    I think that Gay and Mayo can’t and won’t coexist (much longer). So I would have taken RR. But even if I wouldn’t of taken RR, there is no way I was taking Hashem–I mean, I remember S. Bradley all too well.

  • Tavoris

    Jukai, did u see the comparison vincent made? I’m not the only one who sees Shaun Livingston in Rubio, apparently

  • Tyler Whitcomb

    Memphis will draft Rubio and trade Conley. The Thunder would love to bring in Thabeet. There was an ESPN article which put Thabeet with the Thunder and showed some real promise for the Thunder.

    However, now in your draft with Thabeet going 2, I guess I would still draft Rubio. I was once told by an NBA GM to always draft the best player available and not by position. Another option would to grab Derozan. That would be one hell of an athletic team with Westbrook, Derozan, Durant, and Green!!!!!

    A backcourt of Rubio, Westbrook, and Durant! I don’t know.

  • Tyler Whitcomb

    Who is drafting for the Pistons in your mock Draft?

  • Tavoris

    Ryne, I think OKC would probably take Jordan Hill at 3…if Thabeet isn’t available. if Thabeet is there, then he’s definitely their pick

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Westbrook is gonna carve more of a D-Wade type niche on the Thunder, Ryne. If Rubio ends up on the Thunder, I may have to break down and buy one of those hideous jerseys.

  • Tavoris

    I kinda like Harden at 3 to OKC too…he seems a PERFECT fit along a slashing PG (Westbrook) and a do-everything 3 (Durant). Plus, he’s a good enuf passer and shooter that Westbrook could let out his inner Dwayne Wade.

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    There is no damn way on God’s green Earth that the Thunder draft Jordan Hill at 3. Unless about 12 people in the draft die from the swine flu, it ain’t happening.

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan13

    TANZANIAAAA! my dads from there, finally a baller reppin them. and this makes sense, rubio , mayo and gay woildnt work. not enough ball to go around

  • Tavoris

    B Long, Jordan Hill is the next best big in the draft other than Griffin. and Bigs are actually something OKC need more than a PG.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I’m with BLong here. I don’t think Jordan Hill belongs anywhere in the top 8 or so picks. Also, I think OKC goes with Rubio, Thabeet, or maybe Harden (if they feel like they want to stick with westbrook as their PG)

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Hill reminds me of a rich man’s Mikki Moore. He’s long and can run and jump but he’s pretty weak, especially on defense. I just don’t think he’d be worth drafting (and benching Jeff Green?) for. Harden actaully fits a need for OKC fairly well. If they take Rubio, their ONLY weakness would be perimeter shooting and their interior defense would still need to improve.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    they got Mark Gasol and Hakeem Warrick and the Iranian guy and Darko, i dont think another big is what they need. They also have Mike Conely JR, so they have no need for Rubio. The Grizz should trade their pick.

  • Tavoris

    ciolkstar..I agree with you about the Mikki Moore comparison…Green has shown that he’s effective coming off the bench. Actually, thats the best place 4 him with that team (sorta like Odom in LA). But then again, this draft is 1 pretty-sure thing (Griffin), and a bunch of “potential”

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    and the Thunder should take James Harden. Move Durant to Small Forward, have Thabo play 6th man. Their team would be raw.

  • Tavoris

    BETCATS, who would they trade the pick to…the Grizz actually do have a lot of young talent…they’d b better served trrading the pick and a young guy-try to get a vet who can bring them together (Andre Miller?)

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Ryne Nelson: Westbrook is a combo guard who can easily play off the ball and guard a two. Rubio has played most of his career under Fernandez’s shadow so he’ll also have no problem occassionally giving the ball up to Westbrook to drive and score. Rubio in OKC just makes too much sense.
    Tavoris: All I’m saying is that a 6’4 defensive player of the year who prefers over-head pick and rolls and no-look passes is a bit different from a 6’8 no-defensive player who prefers bounce passes and faking-shooting-to-toss it off. I get the comparisons, both skinny amazing ball handlers who can’t shoot but have other intangibles that make them so deadly, but I can compare any player in the NBA to anyone else and use SOMETHING to connect them.
    I’m also totally in disagreement with OKC drafting Hill. That wont happen. Ever. OKC has ENOUGH fire-power, and that’s all Hill will ever be, firepower. Get either a great defensive big who can keep up with the team’s pace (Thabeet) or a great classic point guard who knows how to play and cater to stars but will also get everyone easy buckets (Rubio). The choice is simple.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    BETCATS: Think what you just said. THINK about it. Memphis has Darko and that “Iranian guy.” I think Memphis could use some help in that backcourt.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    OKC will have the most talented backcourt in the NBA if they run a Rubio-Westbrook-Durant combo. Damn, that would be sweet. It’s Delonte-Williams-Lebron lite. Get some good bigs from all the other draft picks you have for the next two years, you’ll be set.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Durant is already their SF, BET. He just handles the ball and plays out on the perimeter a lot, like Bron. Memphis has a lot of talented offensive players, but they still need a defensive presence (Gasol can score in the post, but can’t defend it for sh1t) if they ever want to make the playoffs again. Thabeet is the right fit. Unless they trade Gay or Conley, drafing another wing/guard/offensive playewr doesn’t make sense…

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Ciolkstar: it still makes sense for Memphis to draft Rubio and trade down for Thabeet though. They’re in a pretty good bargaining position.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    @Jukai: all those players can turn into valuble contributors are semi-stars when they reach their prime. I dont see Thabeet being any better than that. @Tavoris: The #2 pick in the draft can get a lot more than Andre Miller. That is for their GM to figure out though.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    You guys ready for me to use my daily DD push? Demar Derozan should be off the board by pick 6. If he isn’t, I’m berating the GM’s in my post. Kidding, or am I? All I know is, my pick is going to be controversial like Russ Westbrook was at the time.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    cio: NO HE IS NOT. I watched the Thunder last year, Durant was listed as shooting guard and guarded oposing teams shooting guards. Scott Brooks realized that Durant was to skinny to be a small forward. I think James Harden + Durant buffing up = good idea.

  • WhaHuh

    Marc Gasol, Hamed Haddadi and Darko Milicic say no thabeet

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    BET, Durant started the yearas the teams SG, then when Brooks came on he moved KD to the SF, which really only means that he played 2 guards + KD rather than the PG + KD + 3 other forwards.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    BETCATS: Thabeet will definitely get better, dude’s been playing ball for what, five years? I’m not saying he’ll make an all-star team (but I am saying Hill wont) but he will be able to play DEFENSIVELY at an NBA level. In a normal situation, would he be a second pick in the NBA draft? No, but Ricky RUbio is out of the option for Memphis unless they trade either Gay or Mayo, and everyone else is too “project” for me to say they’ll be better than Thabeet. Everyone but Rubio and Griffin may very well be out of the L in a few years because they never improved. That includes DeRozan and Hill. For real.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    BET, thats why there’s an issue with Green playing PF. If Durant was the Thunder’s two then green could play the three.
    The Thunder starters:
    PG – Westbrook
    SG – Sefolosha
    SF – Kevin Durant
    PF – Jeff green
    C – Collison/Kristic

    Unless you say sefolosha was their SF, and he probably did guard some other SF’s because he’s a better defender than KD…

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Plus, statistically, Kevin Durant does better playing at the three spot than at the two spot. He can’t guard premier twos anyway, so put him in a matchup where the threes can’t guard him.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    Why do all of you underplay Mark Gasol and Hakeem Warrick? And i refuse to belive that Hasheem Thabeet will be anything more than a skinnier, taller, Desegna Diop.

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  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Gasol is pretty nice on offense I keep saying, but the Grizzle’s interior D was atrocious all year. No bigs rotating, ever. I’d actually play Gasol at the four against bigger teams, and maybe and to back up Thabeet inside. This guy can really be a game changer defensively, I think he’ll be better than Oden will ever be, because he can, ya know, actually run.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ BETCATS

    cio: i watched the Thunder, and i can tell you Green does fine and Power Forward, he actually is better at Power Forward then at Small Forward. Durant plays better at Shooting Guard, as he creates a automatic mismatch with defenders given his height, and can keep up with Shooting Guards do to his speed. Brooks did recognize this, and that is why, i can tell you he made Thabo guard Small Forwards and play small forward, while Durant played a shooting guard-like role. If Durant bulks up, him and Harden can do work.

  • http://slam warr

    the safe pick a person that can score and has size, hardin guard from arizona state.

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    So I’m guessing all of you are giving up on Darrell Arthur? Thabeet isn’t a bad pick at all for Memphis, and I wouldn’t give up on Mike Conley yet either. But the draft mistake I’d be scared of is Portland trading out of the 3 spot in 2005 and bypassing Deron Williams, Chris Paul, even Raymond Felton because they had confidence in … Sebastian Telfair. You contradict yourself, Vince. You say a Rubio-Mayo-Gay combination couldn’t work. That’s sandwiched between saying you draft Duncan even if you already have Robinson, and how Magic couldn’t get along with Norm Nixon when he first got to the Lakers. I think the Spurs and Lakers worked those issues out just fine. Oh, and for those who stress ALWAYS drafting for talent over need, let me take you back to 2005 again, when Atlanta drafted Marvin Williams over Deron Williams and Chris Paul. Talent can be misleading. Last note: I love this draft series. I wish I could fast-forward 28 (58??) days to read them all.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Bottom line, adding Ricky Rubio on Memphis will mostly likely stunt either his growth as a player, or OJ Mayo’s growth as a player. Dem the ropes.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Hey I agree BET, I love Jeff Green as a better rebounding, more agressive, but slightly shorter Rashard Lewis-type PF. And I agree that the Thunder need to play 2 Gs + Durant/Green and a C. So whether you call that a three guard lineup or playing KD as a SF its all the same. I think Harden would be a great fit as well, but it means Westbrook will have to mature as a distributor, he still turns the ball over WAY too much and shoots poorly a lot of nights. I might lean towards Rubio if he and Harden are both available… but it’d be a tough choice.

  • riggs

    BET makes alot of sense.

  • riggs

    did i just say that??

  • http://slam warr

    conley has to go, or go to the bench mayo is the smallest starting two guard in the league he has to play the point but i dont know how he will handle the position that why i believe they should draft harden

  • http://phoenixsunsrising.blogspot.com/ Hersey

    Rubio has a substantial out-of-pocket buyout still to be worked out. I don’t think Memphis is on his radar. Would you pay to play in Memphis? Rubio is gonna end up in NY or Cali somehow someway

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    Harden would be a good fit with OKC, but Rubio is the same height, has a reputation for tenacious defense, and is a true point and playmaker. He brings far more to the table than Harden does. Rubio’s got to be the pick. As impressive as Russell Westbrook was last year, he was clearly not a true point guard. He is Dwyane Wade Lite, which is not a bad thing at all. But he and Kevin Durant are much better off with someone else, someone with the confidence from years of professional basketball at a high level to make his own on-court decisions, bringing the ball down and distributing.

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    My problem with the Jeff Green and Kevin Durant frontcourt is that they weigh 250 lb combined. Thabeet would be a great fit there. He’s a huge defensive presence who can do all the things that Green can’t. Too bad they won’t get Griffin, though. OKC would have been the team with the biggest potential since the pre-Greg Oden injuries Trailblazers.

  • Jordan3121

    NO Thabeet….please God, No Thabeet!! We already have Darko, why add another stiff. Thabeet will never move beyond being a project on the next level imo. If Rubio doesn’t want to play in Memphis(and it’s looking like this is the case) then trade down and try to secure some veteran help as well as possibly add another pick.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    The Thunder are going to pick Ricky. Westbrook can probably play shooting guard, too.

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