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Tuesday, June 23rd, 2009 at 1:29 pm  |  180 responses

Breaking: Richard Jefferson to Spurs

by Ryne Nelson

The Spurs never cease to be in the picture. They will never become irrelevant. They won’t allow it. Why?

Well, leave it to Chad Ford to break the most breaking news of the offseason as dramatically as possible via his live web chat:

The trade is Richard Jefferson to the Spurs for Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas … more coming in just a second. Deal is agreed to in principle with a trade call coming later today.

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Bowen, Oberto and Thomas are all in the last year of their contracts. It saves them roughly $3 million this year and $15 million next year. And it gives them some flexibility to sign at least one of their restricted free agents — either Charlie Villanueva or Ramon Sessions.

You heard it: Bruce Bowen is no longer a Spur. We knew it would happen someday, possibly, but nonetheless it’s still pretty unthinkable. At this point in his career the Spurs might’ve just awarded him an honorary spot at the end of the bench until Kobe retires, just to annoy the Mamba. But this… you know this is a business now. The Spurs throw away some refuse and dig up a still-spry, high-character wing player. What a piece for the best organization in sports!

People forget Bowen’s early days in Miami, Philly and Boston since Bowen did most of his damage in the white and black, but now he’s officially been given the Damon Jones treatment. This is a sad and happy day for Spurs fans.

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  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Great trade by Spurs. The Bucks are a mess.

  • James aka…

    Wow

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Wow. Parker, Many, RJ, Gooden and TD. Wow. That’s a nice starting lineup with a little bit of everything. I’m not really a fan of RJ’s game but this is serious.

  • whooo!

    what a STEAL!

  • MikeF

    Gulp

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Agreed Ben, but Oberto became an integral piece to this team; they might miss him more than they think…. especially if Timmy can’t stay healthy.

    Although, you know that RC will go get some super-undervalued/experienced big man with an expiring contract to take Thomas/Oberto’s minutes.

  • http://www.okayplayer.com doyouwantmore

    Bowen has championship rings. Don’t pity him.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Great move by the Spurs. The Bucks are a terrible mess is what Ben meant to say, I think.

  • Tenorca

    Did Oberto really play that much last season? I seem to remember him mostly sitting on the bench, agressively growing his beard.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    WHOA.

  • Izzo

    The NBA should just leave Miluakee out of the schedule next season,see if the get the hint.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    So much for Ramon Sessions hitting the FA market.

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Gulp… if they sign some more guys upfront (with Kurt and Oberto gone, they’re standing on weak legs, weaker than Duncan’s!), they’re… they’re back in business.

  • Tenorca

    …effing Spurs. Impressive as always. Looks like Big Red’s getting a lot more time next year at the 5.

  • LB

    Wow! Great deal for the Spurs! The Spurs havent had an explosive 3 to complement Manu since Stephen Jackson. Losing Oberto will definitely hurt because he’s a heady, physical big who provides alot of intangibles. Maybe dealing Oberto means the Spurs are finally ready to call up that French big they drafted a couple of years back (I think his name was Ian Mahimi or something)?

  • Tenorca

    Looks like Big Red’s going to be getting some serious time at the 5 next year.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Wow. What a trade. And exactly the dynamic athlete the Spurs needed.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    They can match up with ANY team in the L now. They have shooting, they have speed, they have height, they have creators, they have finishers. RJ fits really really well. Even better than Vince who would have prolly stepped on people’s toes a bit in the pecking order.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/users/42594-Hoops4life- Overtime

    Love this trade…firstly because absolutely no-one saw it coming, secondly because it is an absolute steal for the Spurs.
    Though I am saddened that this means V.C won’t be coming to texas to form the ultimate odd-couple with him and TD.
    And love or hate him, it is strange that Bowen isn’t a Spur any longer…he was an integral piece to the Championships whether we wanna like it or not

  • whooo!

    since when did everyone love Oberto? he averaged 2.6 pts and 2.6 boards in like 12 minutes. even worse, he has a heart condition and couldn’t play a lot of games, and just had offseason HEART SURGERY! and he’s like 34 or something to boot.

    spurs still need bigs. they got that young kid Mahinmi who might finally play, cuz they’re screwed if Matt Bonner is their only center.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    WORD! I hate RJ but LOVE this trade, this is insane value. Wily move by the Spurs taking advantage of another team’s financial struggles. Oberto is on his way out, Bowen’s D is slipping and his offense was never any good, I still love Killa Kurt but I could see him getting cut and resigning (maybe not though Skiles will probably like his toughness enough to keep him around)
    The Spurs need to focus on adding a decent big in the draft now, I would absolutely LOVE to see Jeff Pendergraph or Josh Heytvelt if either guy is still available at #37.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/users/42594-Hoops4life- Overtime

    And as others have said above, expect to see the Spurs pull at least another deal off to find one or maybe two big men, so they can create some new kind of two-headed center

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Nice move, but I do wonder if theyll start both Manu and RJ since that would leave the bench all but empty. And while they’re both exiciting offensive players, neither of them play defense which could hurt them when facing the Kobes and Melos of the Conference. Also, Jefferson particularly seems better suited for an open court game. But if anyone can make the necessary adjustments its the Spurs. SHould be a good summer.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    Cub, Oberto has been having heart issues and is considering retirement. His interior passing and incredible chemistry with Manu will be missed, but we were already missing it all of last season.

  • whooo!

    and anyone remember those Wizards-Spurs trade rumors? i’m wondering if those are still on and this is part of it… considering the spurs opposition to luxury tax (they gave away Scola so they wouldn’t pay the tax), taking on RJ’s $15mil seems quite bold. would they still trade him or Manu for the Jordan Hill/Nick Young/Mike James/etc combo.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/users/42594-Hoops4life- Overtime

    This is all an elaborate plan to reveal Joe Alexander as the saviour of Milwaukee

  • http://nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    Yeah, Ian Mahinimi should be able to get on the floor and contribute this year. The Spurs were projecting big minutes for him last season, but he struggled with a bunch of injuries and never got healthy. He’s big, strong, skilled and super atheletic though. He seriously looks like a 6’10″ Pietrus (not in terms of 3 point shooting of course, but there is resemblance)

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Myles: they gave up Oberto, Bowen and Thomas! I’m not even sure those guys were going to be in the rotation this year. Whether Manu starts or not is irrelevant. Same as Odom during these playoffs. They play 30+ and they’re there when it matters the most.

  • http://www.another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    And the rich get richer. I’m happy for RJ! Can Milwaukee now sigh both Sessions and Charlie V.? Earlier there were rumors of the Spurs being interested in Villanueva, but I’m happy that they got RJ. As a Nets fan, I was sad to see him go, but glad he’s on a great team now.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Nice move! San Antonio is back after a semi-off season. All they need to do is stay healthy…

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    Wow. Nice trade for the defenders of the Alamo. Starting Backcourt: Parker, Mason Jr., and Jefferson. Backups: Hill, Ginobili, Mahinimi. That’s a solid rotation right there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Those guys probably werent going to get much burn, but they were still key players for quite a while and will need suitable replacements. They still need some more bigs to complement/rest Duncan since their cheif competition in the Conference are particularly strong inthe frontcourt and the bench definitely needs filling. Its a good trade, but theres still more moves to be made is all Im sayin.

  • Michael

    Great trade obviously. It makes them much better offensively. But wheter or not they will contend for a championship depends on how much Duncan erodes next season.

  • http://antwonomous.blogspot.com Antwonomous

    And just like that the Spurs are SCARY again.

  • http://antwonomous.blogspot.com Antwonomous

    Spurs just pulled a “Patriots/Willie McGinest/business above all else” move with dealing their boy Bowen like that. Or maybe it’s more like Vrabel, since like Mikey Bruce ain’t good anymore.

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    Myles: you’re definitely right, given that the “Tim only plays 29 MPG in the regular season so his legs are fresh” tactic that Pop and RC are so fond of doesn’t really fly when no one else can play those minutes and give the spurs a chance at winning. This leaves the Spurs with a frontcourt rotation of Duncan/Gooden/Bonner/Miahimi(if he gains some weight), which simply wont fly against, say, Gasol/bynum/odom or Yao/Scola/Landry.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Jefferson is a pretty good defender when he is a complimentary piece.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Fair enough on Oberto. Guess watching a half dozen college games a night for the past two years is catching up with me.

    He just seems to ball every time I see the Spurs, though.

  • Jacob

    this is a steal for the spurs, they are going to be crazy good next year

  • IndyB

    The Spurs already have the rights to Tiago Splitter… he would be a nice bruiser probably better than any PF in this draft not named Griffin… Bring him over and they are ready for another title run.

  • http://sportzin.com Joey E.

    they need to get some bigs to really truly be SCARY again. Lakers as of now are a little better, no? assuming they keep odom/ariza

  • http://sportzin.com Joey E.

    i dont splitter will ever come to the NBA though. i remember fran fracila said that on ESPN

  • RedRum

    They are one good big guy away from trashing the league. Are you kidding me??? Jef on the Spurs, with TD, manu and TP?? No one is as loaded as they are.

  • http://wherespmac.com Justin Adler

    RJ on the Spurs?! Talk about the rich getting Richard.

    Zing.

  • Babygab

    Everybody and their mother that commented can suck mi B Balls!

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    @IndyB–Splitter would be great for the Spurs to have, but the money doesn’t work. He’s among the best players in the spanish league, and he’s signed a lucrative contract with Tau through the 09-10 season. Because he was drafted 28th (should have been higher, but teams were spooked by his buyout) the amount of scratch he can make in the NBA is limited by the rookie scale contract for first round picks, and given that he was a LATE first round pick, he stands to make something like 8 times more in spain than he would stateside, plus he’d have to pay his own buyout (like we keep hearing about with rubio). He’ll come over season after next, at the earliest.

  • http://yahoo.com Logan

    spurs are still gay

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    Logan is still creative and mature.

  • Izzo

    Bulletproof Logic,Logan.Can’t argue.

  • RedRum

    Logan, pick the smallest player in the Spurs (TP?) and tell that to his face. Heck, even tell it to Pop. See how they whoop your arse

  • la huey

    its an upgrade overall but losing thomas hurts their frontcourt. your chances at winning aren’t good if your 3rd best frontcourt player is scalabr…er…bonner.

  • F.C.

    The Bucks are the most generous team in the NBA. They constantly give away decent players for next to nothing. Please tell me how they benefit from this trade, and I don’t want to hear salary reasons either, because they do nothing with the money they save … ever!

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    Perhaps we’re being to harsh on logan..for all we know he’s a spurs insider hinting at a potential John Amechi comeback

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    or perhaps he’s describing pops’ jocular demenor in postgame pressers using some antiquated vernacular?

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    …or he’s 12. and @ FC–the bucks get the financial capital they need to…stay in business and not contract/move somewhere other than miluakee. Hurrah.

  • Izzo

    Redrum:Why TP or the Spurs do that?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    On the flip side, this actually isn’t a bad move for the Bucks. They have Charlie V and Joe Alexander both waiting in the wings and Redd coming back from injury. They needed cap space to re-sign Sessions and Charlie V. RJ was definitely expendable and his big contract is off the books.

  • Ken

    As a Suns fan I hate the Spurs. But I have to hand it to them, their management does a fantastic job. I’m also happy that Bowen is going to one of the worst teams in the NBA. It really bugs me that such a dirty player got a bunch of rings by riding on Duncan/TP/Manu’s talents.

  • http://www.myspace.com/weezyleezy337 weezy f. leezy

    jefferson must be souped!

  • http://slamonline.com B. Long

    This is a great move for both teams. It doesn’t look like it right now for the Bucks, but when Joe Alexander is blossoming around all-star break next year people will be glad that they made this move. RJ never wanted to be a Buck anyways.

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    TAD–The Bucks always looks better on paper…it seems like all of their top players (sessions, redd, Charlie V, Bogut) would be GREAT as the 2nd or 3rd best player on a contending team, but they don’t have a superstar. A team with that sort of makeup can win (as you well know being a detroit fan), but it requires good coaching and stellar defense…and the bucks have neither.

  • Diesel

    Spurs have 3 second round picks. I’d look to them to pick up Taj Gibson or Josh Heytvelt to add some depth to that front court. Scary scary team

  • http://yahoo.com Logan

    nick: is “spurs are still dumb” better for you so u can relax? perhaps ur a spurs fan.. or perhaps ur just a retard tryin to be funny

  • http://nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    Cub: How do you think Heytvelt would fit with the Spurs? He’d be like a bigger, better Bonner with more upside. I really want us to use our early 2nd rounder (#37 via GState) on him, Draft Express has us taking DaJuan Summers there, but with RJ in the mix I’d have to think a versatile PF like Heytvelt, with 3 point range would be too hard to pass up.
    I like Pendergraph there as well, but he’s a tad undersized and still pretty raw offensively. This draft is actually really strong in the early/mid second,(Toney Douglas, Derrick Brown, Jermaine Taylor, Marcus Thornton, Jerel Mcneal, etc…) and now that the Spurs will have some open roster spots I really hope we can get some value out of the three 2nd rounders.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    How many years (and how much $) are left on RJ’s deal?

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    Ciokstar: 13 mil, expires at the end of the year. I think.

  • dpak

    i bet bowen’s a spur before the year is up.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    Coilk, I loved it when you mentioned his name in an earlier comment.
    Personally, Heytvelt would fit with ANYONE!
    My obvious Gonzaga feelings aside, he is the ideal back-up NBA big.
    Can hit open shots (even to 3pt line) and he has the height, size and strength to rebound and defend. Athletic to boot!
    He’d eat Matt Bonner for lunch and be an unbelievable upgrade at that spot.

    REMEMBER! He was a lottery lock during his sophomore campaign before the legal issues snowballed onto the basketball court. By the time he returned, his role on the team had just changed. HUGE STEAL FOR THE SPURS.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    wow. The Spurs respond to the constant ‘their getting old’ rhetoric by getting rid of 3 old guys and bringing in RJ. This team is gonna do work next year.

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    Y’all are right–Somebody like Heytvelt, or Hansborough if they could move up, would be a good pick–they need someone NBA ready now, and both of those guys fit the bill.

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    Mental image I cannot currently escape: Heytvelt, Pop, Bonner, and Ginobli eating mushrooms on the Spurs team charter.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    Another guy I’d LOVE to see the spurs snag in the 2nd round in Micah Downs, a seriously BAD whiteboy with polished game and a mean streak. he played a complimentary role for the Zags, but he’s got the tools to be very good. I’m actually shocked that I haven’t seen his name mentioned anywhere… maybe he withdrew?

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Ciolkstar: white boys are always soft and overhyped from the evil white media. Get it right!

  • RedRum

    If they can get Splitter they are sorted. Best big player at the moment in europe.

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    Ciolkstar: from one minute of research, all i can tell is that he’s still in (he hired an agent, so he can’t withdrawl) but isn’t getting a lot of love (projected late 2nd-undrafted). It’s probably not fair, but it seems like 4 year college players who don’t post huge numbers get slept on even if their measurables (6’8, 200, decent athleticism, good 3pt shooter) are solid, because its assumed (perhaps unfairly) that a 4 year player has no more upside.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    The Red-Rocket will do fine, because everyone leaves him open everytime, and he makes the shot almost every time. Uhhhh, I’m not as “gulp” about this. Does anybody else remember that RJ sucks?

  • http://www.clutchfans.net nick

    And Jukai, it’s a well known fact that all white players with a modicum of talent MUST BE the next Bird, Dirk, Pistol, or Stockton. Because they look vaguely alike. Duh.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    The Spurs will get at least one of those guys back, I bet.

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    Youth (relatively) and athleticism — that’s exactly what the Spurs needed and they got it. They were desperate for offensive firepower with Manu sidelined and only Parker and Duncan carrying the load in the playoffs this past year. Jefferson’s also a high character guy who’s going to fit perfectly with this organization. Great trade for the Spurs. If Mahinmi still isn’t ready to contribute, John Hollinger has been saying that Tiago Splitter may finally be coming over next year when he’s no longer tied to the rookie scale. Things are coming back around in San Antonio. Milwaukee ……… ehh …?

  • Marco

    And now Pop, what about that trade commission you were talking about last year?

  • http://tudobola.blogspot.com/ Edu

    Will the Bucks next season be worse than the Kings last one? I really envy the Spurs.

  • http://tudobola.blogspot.com/ Edu

    Don’t you think the Spurs can talk about that with the players traded before the trade, Russ? Or even with the Bucks?

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    I’m still not seeing an upside here.

  • dma

    How about Antonio mcd signing? He’s still desperate to get that ring.

  • catalan

    Do you think RJ can score the open shoots? I’m not sure…

  • http://thesportsdiaryonline.blogspot.com Roy

    This trade could be what the Spurs needed…

  • Saku 39

    RJ is a good player but he’s overrated and overpaid. He doesn’t pass or rebound particularly well but he’ll be a good fit for the Spurs in the short term. The Bucks weren’t going anywhere with RJ so I guess they figured they could save some dollars and rebuild.

  • busterjonez

    Spurs currently have 8 players under contract for $68.9 million.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    The best thing about this trade is that we didn’t have to move Roger Mason Jr or George Hill. With another solid signing or draft steal this could be one of the deepest Spurs teams yet.

  • http://www.okayplayer.com doyouwantmore

    LMAO @ Izzo! “Maybe the NBA will leave Milwaukee off the schedule this year and see if they take the hint.”

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    STILL not seeing an upside.

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    On paper you’d have to argue that the Spurs now have more talent than the Lakers.

  • Josh D

    WOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
    A massive steal by the spurs

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    That is a STRAIGHT CRACK-HEAD STATEMENT Fox. Not there’s anything wrong with crack-heads.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    That is a STRAIGHT CRACK-HEAD STATEMENT Fox. Not that there’s anything wrong with crack-heads.

  • http://drexlerwasabeast.com nbk

    if manu’s healthy they might be better then the lakers though

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Darrius Miles = Richard Jefferson.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    I’m not a Lakers fan, don’t get me wrong, but I AM a realist; There is no way Richard Jefferson is going to be the piece attained to be better than the Lakers.

  • http://slamonline blaze

    good trade for both teams, but now the spurs need a center since Timmy D insists on playing the four.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Parker is obviously more talented than Fisher. Kobe is obviously better than Ginobili. Jefferson is slightly better than Ariza and considering the mileage on him, Id give the edge to Duncan over Gasol, but its closer than it used to be. Bynum may not be turning out as expected, but hes still better than Gooden or Bonner. And Odom is certainly better than anyone on San Ans bench. So the talent is close enough to muster an argument, but not a successful one to me. However as to who’s the better team? Again, if the Spurs get themselves some supporting frontcourt players well certainly see. If not? LA, easily. San An would get killed on the boards and possibly in the paint.

  • http://drexlerwasabeast.com nbk

    Richard Jefferson has a career average of 18 ppg

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    3 over the hill out of the rotation guys for a 20 ppg scorer who shot 40% from deep last year and can jump with anyone in the league. I’ll take it. Assuming that Bonner and Mason keep their starting spot. That’s Manu, Finley, Gooden and George Hill coming off the bench. They need maybe one more big (unless Mahinmi is ready) and they’re good to go. That’s a team that will contend.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Whew!!! Thank God for you Myles. I agree, if they get some more frontcourt support, then it’ll be a discussion… Ehhhh… But if JKidd and RJ weren’t on the same team at the time, would we know who RJ is? Without a good/great passing point g. to set him up, RJ is… well… RJ from Milawkee. And Ariza plays D.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    And I’m sure that 18 ppg average is STRAIGHT from 4-7 assist from Kidd and 3 free-throw line visits a night.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Myles, I beg to differ. 1- If you’re going to compare Odom to SA’s bench you have to include Manu. And give the Spurs the edge. 2- Gooden is a crazy lunatic but rebounding has never been an issue with him. 3- Jefferson is more than slightly better than Ariza. I have to wait and see if the real Ariza is the one that shot 48% from deep in the playoffs or the one that shot 32% in 82 games.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I like everyone on the zags better than daye.

  • vannshy

    If Ian Mahimi can give us a solid contribution and if we can have another solid 5 to complete the rotation, we will talk with the Lakers again.

    Parker will kill any guard the Lakers will trowing at him.

  • http://www.broy7.com nate the great

    to be honest, i think bowen, and oberto will retire.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Spaceship Jay, you’d have a better argument if RJ hadn’t scored 20 a game last year with Luke Ridnour and Ramon Sessions feeding him.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Z: you are a idiot if you dont think Ramon Sessions is the truth

  • http://drexlerwasabeast.com nbk

    actually he averaged 21 a game in Milwaukee over the past 2 years and hasn’t missed a game jay.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I also expect Jordan Farmar to be the starting pg at some point in the season. If he doesn’t, he never will. D-Fish is one of the ballsiest dude in the L but opposite pgs are basically running layup drills on him at this point. He made Aaron Brooks into an household name.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    but RJ is not the creation of anyone. Pen15-head can ball, i will give him that.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    BETCATS: You’re an idiot if you think that Sessions is as good of a facilitator as Kidd. Follow the argument, please.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Remember when richard jefferson couldn’t really shoot threes but he defended rebounded and passed instead? If the spurs get that rj then this is a steal if they get the buck rj they’re screwed. But I have faith in the spurs coaching staff and players to set him straight.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Maybe so… But again, I wouldn’t throw these guys in front of the Laker-Voltron Lions just yet Z. Another year means Duncans a little more worn down (but still the best PF), and Ariza has gotten a pretty great (I’m assuming) confidence boost from this year’s run. And again, It’s been confirmed that he plays defense, which is getting more and more four-leaf cloverish in the NBA year after year. Ariza > Jefferson.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Z: your a idiot if you think i follow the argument. I MAKE the argument.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    I’m the resident Spurs fan here and I even think the Spurs are clearly a player away from being as talented on paper as the Lakers. That doesn’t mean we couldn’t beat them in a series though. I’m also very interested to see how much the Lakers end up paying Ariza and whether thy get the guy fron the playoffs (who can defend, make plays in transition, and shoot the lights out) or the guy from the regular season (who can make plays on D and in transition but can’t shoot). Sadly, (for my Spurs) I think Ariza will only get better, I just hope him and his agnet know that and force the Lakers to pay up.
    BET is correct about Sessions, he’s a beast. Maybe this means they’ll pass on Flynn and he’ll be able to guy to a real NBA team.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I completely disagree. Again, the Ariza that we saw in the playoffs might not be the Ariza that we will see next year. I remember Mike Bibby KILLING dudes in the playoffs and then going back to being Mike Bibby the year after. I also never got the impression that RJ was a poor defender, not a lockdown defender but not a cone either. ANyways, I’m off. Peace.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Ariza crashes the boards and attacks the basket with reckless abandon while taking the threes the defense gives him , in other words he plays exactly the way the spurs want richard jefferson to play on offense except he shuts dudes down and wrecks the passing lanes also.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Sessions will be a top 5 point guard within the next 3 years if he gets the right coach. Scott Skiles is not the right coach. Free yourself, Ramon!

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    nbk, It’s Milwaukee. One of those bizarro NBA cities where stats don’t really count in the real world.

  • http://drexlerwasabeast.com nbk

    Flynn is not falling passed number 8 in the draft. He should don’t get me wrong, but he wont

  • http://nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    ^Typo city
    thy – they
    agnet – agent
    guy – go

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Bryan- “except he shuts dudes down and wrecks the passing lanes also.” Are you talking about RJ or Ariza? the shuts dudes down and wrecks passing lanes part dosen’t sound like RJ.

  • http://drexlerwasabeast.com nbk

    @jay – hence me pointing out his career average first

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Good call then nbk. Good call.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    RJ seems like the type of player who will accept his role as long as the team is winning, he became a bit of a gunner (and less of a rebounder/passer/defender)last season when it became clear the Miluakee was just playing out the string. Still, I think he’ll be able to fit in and make a big contribution in SA. My main concern is George Hill’s development, and drafting some players that we’ll actually put to use.

  • http://drexlerwasabeast.com nbk

    I think SA success will hinder on Greg Poppovich and Health

  • http://nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    nbk: you sure about Flynn going top 8? Everywhere I’ve looked has him going 10th to Miluakee. I know a bunch of teams from 4-8 have brought him in, but I assumed that was just formality. I stil think that if he lands in the right situation (personally, I’m hoping for ATL or Philly) he’ll do serious damage.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    RJ still isn’t enough for a hungry Lakers team. If they can get some front-court help, I could see them being a contender.

  • http://drexlerwasabeast.com nbk

    this is how i see it…..Flynn is ranked number 3 or 4 pg (don’t ask me why) but sacramento is real high on him, as well as GS and NY. Plus their on teams trying to trade down for him. If tyreke evans goes early like i think he will and thabeat drops back then rubio will go 4 at the highest. which leaves flynn and curry. flynn will be taken by sacramento or ny depending on where curry goes

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I say that Jefferson is only slighty better just because I question his mental toughness. He just seems indecisive and weak willed to me sometimes. And thats saying something considering that were comparing a bench with him on it to one with Lamar Odom on it. Manu may still come off the bench and RJ may be the starter, but the issue remains. And Im just not sold on any title contending frontcourt that is dependent upon consistent quality minutes from Drew Gooden. Yes, again, Bynum is inconsistent also, but the champ gets the benefit of the doubt. So when looking at front courts of Ariza, Odom, Gasol and Bynum v. Jefferson, Duncan, Gooden and Bonner, who has a better chance of controlling the boards? Protecting the paint? Surviving injuries, foul trouble and which team is more likely to play through bad play from their respective frontcourt? Again, a good trade, but not a finished product yet.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    If only the Spurs had kept Scola….

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Myles: Micheal Finely isnt anywhere near Odom?

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    spurs are one tiago splitter away from winning the finals, guaranteed.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    I’m happy and that’s all that matters.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    With Cheryl being a Heat fan, i’m not sure what she is happy about, but i’m happy that she is happy.

  • http://Nationofmillions.ca Ciolkstar

    No sh1t, TAD

  • Babygab

    Pop strikes again ! If they stay healthy the Lakers may have trouble to repeat !!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Sure Michael Finley is just as good as Odom. If the Spurs draft a time machine. C’mon.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I was talking about ariza.

  • http://nba.com Daniel

    ariza is good.

  • http://nba.com Daniel

    what did you say.

  • http://nba.com Daniel

    hhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Breaking News: Foye And Miller to the Wizards for the #5 PICK!

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    no way bet. but im greedy i want the spurs to get mcdyess.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Google News it Tarzan. It just happened.

  • Rachel

    Marco wrote: “And now Pop, what about that trade commission you were talking about last year?”

    I’m longing for a reporter to ask him that. :)

    Man, I enjoy these comments. Some good thoughtful stuff, and for amusement I liked these:

    nick:
    “or perhaps he’s describing pops’ jocular demenor in postgame pressers using some antiquated vernacular?”

    Overtime:
    “This is all an elaborate plan to reveal Joe Alexander as the saviour of Milwaukee”

  • Sarah

    This is a good move as long as RJ and the rest of the team gets back on their collective defensive-minded track. We don’t need another person to bomb threes and play no defense *COUGH* Roger. I kinda hope we can get Thomas back. His defense will be sorely missed. Fab’s passing was a joy to watch when he was healthy. And Bruce was really the only guy we had with a mean streak and take nothing from no one attitude. Hell, I’ll miss them all, but it was time for change. Looking forward to next year.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Rachel, Sarah, and BETCATS……(cough) threesome? (cough)

  • Jesse

    I like to see the lakers counter with the spanish armada: trade bynum and 29th pick in the draft plus sun yue for grizzlies marc gasol, grizzlies 2nd overall pick which will be ricky rubio and filler and the rights to juan carlos navarro.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Blinguo

    BET does make that argument, and has for longer than anyone else-even SLAM-and unofficial SLAM commenters, FREE RAMON SESSIONS!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Blinguo

    I don’t know if BET will win this last argument^ Unless he links to his now closed blog where he shows he’s not a CAT at all, but a Black Stallion Horse (photo good enough for Wallpaper). Same page is reppin Ramon Sessions and asking where the mainstream pub on this statistical monster is at already, DAMN.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Blinguo

    I don’t know if BET will win this last argument^ unless he links to his now closed personal blog where he shows he’s not a CAT at all but a Black Stallion Horse (hot enough for fullscreen wallpaper). Same page as repping Ramon Sessions and asking where the mainstream pub for him is at – midseason – already for this statistical monster, d*mn. I censored the Da*n to see my post show up, it lagged, or didn’t initially. Internet buggin here again or auto censor delete.

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    I hope the Wiz get rid of Deshawn now. Trade him for anything you can get.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Blinguo, not Bo, Knows. Nike hit my mayne up!

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    rainman: Deshawn will go to the Cavs so Lebron can pour buckets of his cum on Deshawn and force him to legally change his name to Deshawn Skankapotumus Stevenson.

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    I like it. But now the Wiz are my local team, so I’m following them a little more, and I hate the Skankapotumus, he’s garbage. We could use a big body.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    im so glad we are calling him “The Skankapotumus” now. This has made me happy. As for him as a player, i can see why you hate him, he is more a wannabe-cultural icon then a basketball player. He has the personailty of a poor mans Dammon Jones and the basketball skills of Kobe Bryant without a brain. I can see your frustration their.

  • Harrell

    Silver and Black is back (not the raiders) we got the chip this year I cant wait Tony,Manu,RJ, Gooden,and the cerebral assain Tim Duncan!

  • franko

    Good news for SPURS fans, Manu is ok he is at home and healthy. he has good humor looks good and smiles a lot at local TV.
    Go SPURS!

  • Simmy Sosa

    Depending on how they play it RJ gives the Spurs the best starting 5 in the league. This team by itself will give the Lakers serious problems, not to mention there’s no telling if they can bring both Ariza and Odom back. It is more likely the Spurs get a big via free agency than draft. Don’t forget Ian Mahimi.

  • http://slamonline blaze

    Cant wait till the draft… I know Portland will make some moves maybe trade our pick(s) and Rodreigez and Frye. Wonder if NY wants Frye back, speaking of, I hope the knicks land Rubio somehow, he would bring some excitment to some bored-ass knick fans. Keep Lee and lil Nate and Chandler then trade the rest of the team.

  • niQ

    this is definitely breaking news. milwaukee made a horrible move. but i guess that’s what you do when you’re rebuilding..

  • reidz

    Bucks need money to re sign their young ‘uns. They were not going anywhere with Jefferson anyway…

    And Spurs is now in luxury tax land! They are officially out of any free agent hunting the next years.

  • http://myspace.com/2grownup2beshownup Jack

    When you gonna post the Wolves-Wizards trade SLAM?

  • al

    If they sign Splitter and with this trade, they are NBA champs 2010

  • tindore

    jack you beat me to it… Foye and Gil are similar guards but who knows the Wiz/Wolves might be the biggest offseason move and propel the wiz to top 3 territory based on an offensive strike even more efficiant than EJ’s Princton, Saunders will end up turning them into a 50+ even if Gil and ToughJuice miss 20+ games, hopefully Gil can actually average a double-double for an entire season he doesnt need to score 25 per, 19-22 per is perfect along w/ 7-10 dimes per… Im excited for a great offensive attack out East, finally!!!!

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  • BostonBaller

    The Spurs have done it again and now can relax at the draft and not worry if they have to pick a big that needs a few seasons to develope under Timmy. Meanwhile don’t count out the Bucks b/c clearing cap room could prove beneficial if they use the mony wisely. The Bucks already have about 5 players in the good to All star good range. (Bogut to Charlie to Redd)

  • RedRum

    the NBA looks better then ever the last few years!!! so much talent has gone into the league, there are at least 4-6 contending and up and coming teams. What the Spurs pulled makes the hugely relevant again, and along with the LA, Celtics, Cavs, Magic are up there. The Nuggets, Houston, Blazers, are up an coming, Detroit seems to trying to find ways to reload, Bulls are looking good, Charlot has the talent, needs a few tweeks, Mavs are always dangerous. There are at least 10-12 teams, that with some clever managing could get the Chip. I kinda feel sorry for Lebron, unless the team manages to make a lopsided trade like the KG or Pau ones, or he jumps ship and goes to an already loaded team, I don’t see him winning a ring the next 4-6 years…

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  • ron

    As revealed from the cases of B.Barry n’ M.Finley, we are now annoucing that Jefferson’s career as an athletic player is over…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Blinguo

    Jefferson just turned 29 ron. Not even on SA’s geriatric team, which got rid of 3 of those guys in one trade for him, will he be calcium less “Bones” or Finley years past his dunk contests. Was RJ ever in a dunk contest BTW? NBA.com says yes. 2003.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    BREAKING NEWS: JAMAL CRAWLFORD TRADED TO THE HAWKS FOR ACIE LAW AND SPEED CLAXTON

  • Sarah

    lmao @ BET. That was unexpected.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    It was all to get Robert Horry back me thinks.

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