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Friday, June 26th, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  204 responses

Will Ricky Rubio Join the Wolves’ Point Guard Army?

by Marcel Mutoni

I have to admit, it was fascinating to watch Ricky Rubio shift uncomfortably in his chair as team after team passed on him early in the NBA draft last night, as the most talked about player in the building clapped and pretended to be happy for the four other dudes who went ahead of him.

And then, it happened … the worst possible scenario for Ricky and his family.

David Kahn and the Timberwolves confusingly took both Rubio and Jonny Flynn (who’s even shorter) in back-to-back picks. Everyone assumed they would trade one of them — which obviously didn’t happen — before it dawned on us all: The Timberwolves drafted two point guards! Brilliant.

Rubio, judging by his reaction after the pick (and more tellingly, his father’s interview with Spanish newspaper Marca), may not be long for Minny. From True Hoop:

“Are you excited to go to Minnesota?” he was asked…”I’m excited,” he responded, “to come to the NBA.” He said his mother hated cold weather. He was asked about whether being picked by the T-Wolves might inspire him to stay in Europe. He said: “I don’t know yet. I have to think about that … I’m going to talk to my agent about that and we’re going to see.”

He also said he was very surprised that the team had drafted another point guard in Jonny Flynn. He evaded a question about whether or not he’d even come to the NBA — until the very end of the meeting with reporters when he threw in a line saying “I want to play basketball, and if they give me minutes, I’m going to come.”

It was reported that the Knicks and T-Wolves were possibly working a deal involving Rubio last night, but nothing materialized. Both Flynn and Rubio are expected in Minny sometime today; it’ll be interesting to see if both of them show up.

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  • Ken

    I wouldn’t. He doesn’t like the cold and neither does his mom apparently. The other Q I have, is what happens to Telfair now?

  • http://ballislife.com Moose

    He should show up and play for the team that selected him. No complaining about it, opting out.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I hope if this clown decides to stay, Flynn whips his ass day after day and makes him leave and never comes back.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/fear/ Freedom Fries

    You people with the cold are killing me. Ever been to MN ? Its hotter than snit in the summer – ie. now – and humidity to rival any tropical country. News flash, you play in the pros that means you’re a professional. Act like one. PS. Couldda been worse Ricky, you couldda got picked by the Clippers (a fate worse than death).

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    BETanalogy: When you have a anoretix girlfriend, you dont cheat on her with a even skinnier chick and expect her to stay with you.

    The Wolves should have drafted a shooting guard after Rubio, not another pure Point Guard that is shorter and has no legit chance of playing Shooting Guard. DUMB MOVE. All this did was fill Ricky’s head with uncertainty. He might go off and pull a Fran Vasquez(who?) type move now.

  • Iman Elbanna

    I was wondering what the heck Minnesota was doing when they drafted Flynn after Rubio! I really thought Rubio was going to go to Sacramento, but they took Evans.
    I’m thinking Minnesota needs to trade Flynn or Rubio. Rubio going to the Knicks would be awesome! Maybe the Knicks can actually be exciting again!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/fear/ Freedom Fries

    It’s time to cut the Wolves some slack. Yes they tried to draft 3 PG’s but only got 2. You’d panic too if you had been deprived of draft picks for soooo long – Thanks to McHale and his shady deals with Joe Smith they’re too out of practice to know WHAT to do come draft time. (did Danny Ainge hire McHale yet in yet another backdoor deal?!?!?)

  • http://mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    I still think they’re going to trade 1 of the 2. It just didn’t happen ON draft night

  • neaorin

    He should pull a Kobe and hold out until they trade him to the Knicks. Or Lakers.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Damn eboy hates this kid.

  • FELIX

    I’m very disappointed with Rubio´s pick, He has all to be a top 3 and them Minessota (the worst team for him)draft him, I expect he will be trade.By the other way Flynn will never kick Rubio´s ass because there is huge difference of talent between them, Flynn is another more pg and Rubio is called to make history

  • http://theghostofroyhobbs.blogspot.com Mo Charlo

    Memphis isn’t looking so bad right now, is it, Ricky?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yes….I do. I’m totally against guys that are so fu*ing pampered that they think they can do and say what they want…before they’ve done one thing to earn what they’re making themselves out to be. Fu*k him and his pu*sy game too. I hope he gets frostbite the first time there’s a snowstorm.

  • Candyman

    @nesorin Kobe never said he did not wnt too play for the hornets when they drafted him, if i remember right he was jumping of joy he was gonna play with Jamal “The Monster Mash” Mashburn!

    If anything this is like what the Hawks did too Pau Gasol, drafted him, played in summer camp, thought he would never make it soo he got traded to the Grizz’s for a few picks. We all know how the rest of the story! I hope Rubio does not stay in Euro a minute more.

  • http://ballislife.com Moose

    Eboy, it IS minus five daily in Minny in the winter.

  • Candyman

    Anybody have a leaked pic of Slam #131? I really want too see what they do for this one!

  • luke

    Eboy=Pure idiot

    If you hate him for being ”pampered” then you hate most American athletes.This is the day and age we live in,where players not teams have the power.

  • Candyman

    RIP Michael Jackson Rip my friend

  • http://ballislife.com Moose

    @luke: Tt’s a little different when that player who is pampered is only 18 years old and getting a shot to play at the highest level of hoops in the world.

  • Rubio to Knicks

    ummm Kobe’s agents said the chances of him playing in Charolete were “not possible”. I am inclined to believe if it’s not possible for him to play somewhere, that he indeed forced a trade elsewhere. People always want to hate until it’s a player they want going to a team they like. If I were Blake Griffin I’d do the same thing it’d save him a 3 year jail sentence on the wrong side of LA.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    You know, I feel you guys on the “pampered” bit, because *I’m* job searching myself right now and if someone paid me a million bucks to do what I love most, with the economy the way it is, I would keep my mouth shut. That said, the T-wolves are not without fault; why draft someone who doesn’t want to play for you, if you know he’s going to be unhappy and make a scene? Same thing with the Grizzlies and Francis, and with the Bucks and Yi. The players’ (and agents’) petulance, while infuriating, is one thing, but the teams who make the same mistake year after year are plain stupid, since these situations easily can be avoided. And, I’d like to see Minny win games with their rookie all-point backcourt. Chuh.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cub Buenning

    John Elway anyone?
    They are just basketball players! Who(m) cares whether they are labeled as point guards or guards. This isn’t the NFL!
    While I wasn’t as high on Flynn, I love Minny’s night-Ellington is the steal of the draft (29th?!?)

  • rav

    so eboy i guess you have a strong dislike for alonzo mourning seeing as he cried his way out of going to toronto when he was traded there in order to come to miami right? and btw rubio’s far more accomplished than anyone else in the draft

  • http://slamonline.com B. Long

    Moose:So a 34 old has a right to act like a little b!tch and an 18 old doesn’t? That makes sense.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Plenty of guys “cried” there way from spot to spot. Shaq….Zo….Kobe (although he didn’t get moved)….Barkley, just to name a few. And guess what? They are all legends and at the time of their tearfest, they were all established superstars who had the bargaining power to do it. Take that bullsh*t argument elsewhere.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Totally on point there, Cub! I’ve been saying that ish for years. People are wayyyyy too focused on having a typical 1-2-3-4-5 line up in basketball. The game is fluid, like soccer where you can play with one or two or even three strikers. Why not 2 guys that can handle the rock as long as they can defend? Adding Lawson would have been outrageous tho, that’s just too small.

  • pdub923

    I think everyone has missed the point of the article. It WAS a brilliant move. They knew damn well that Rubio would not come play for them AND that many teams wanted him. With a relatively weak draft class, they took Rubio to use ase trade bait and then took Flynn as their true point man.

  • riggs

    @luke: seems like you dont know how to read a whole sentence, eboy said without him even doing anything right after he said that.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    The situation is complex. On the one hand, if you want a player to be the future of your franchise, you dont draft another of equal talent right after him. On the other hand, just because you are Ricky Rubio, you dont have the right to cry/poo your pants/ask Kahn to change your diaper. DO YOU THINK JOHNNY FLYNN WANTED THIS? He cant run away, Rubio can/most likely will. “I dont like the weather…” BS, you like money? Because Minny wont be paying you to play in Europe. Either come to the NBA, or end up like Juan Carlos Navarro (Ricky’s friend and someone who he might have gone to for advice) and just become ‘The Rights To The Contract of Ricky Rubio’ which will be traded in a couple years.

  • bigjobob

    Tel who?

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    So Eboy – You said, “I’m totally against guys that are so fu*ing pampered that they think they can do and say what they want…before they’ve done one thing to earn what they’re making themselves out to be”. SO does that mean you hated LeBron when he was drafted? Because I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen a player fit that definition better than he did prior to being drafted.

  • rav

    no offence eboy but that argument is cr*p – it doesnt matter if you are a rookie, superstar or damon jones there is no double standard whatsoever regarding players not wanting to play in certain cities (and in the case of zo wanting the money on your contract and not playing there) – doesnt matter if a player is a rook or a vet, the same standard applies for when they try get out of playing for a certain team, and tbh i dont really blame rubio for not wanting to join a club as dysfunctional as the t’wolves who nearly destroyed KG’s career, and lets not forget that there is the buyout that he has to pay and he needs to be somewhere where he can get endorsements at this stage of his career. and btw kobe moaned his way to LA from charlotte if i remember rightly too, a long time before he was a superstar

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I honestley can’t remember Kobe crying about being drafted by Charlotte…..but I could be wrong.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/users/42594-Hoops4life- Overtime

    Minnesota have made a brilliant strategy…slowly but surely, they will draft every point guard…and in a few years, none of the other 29 teams will have any!

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Eboy: No, Kobe kept silent and told his agent to whine and complain. I guess Ricky should have done the same thing so we could all say “OH WELL IT’S JUST THE AGENT TALKING AND NOT RICKY” right?

  • Josh D

    What a crap excuse, my mum doesn’t like the cold

  • http://www.unitedplayersofamerica.com John Delaware

    I’m sick of the Rubio hype. The Kings were wise to select Tyreke Evans, as Evans, Jennings, and Demar Derozan will be the cream of the crop of this draft.

    I believe the Twolves were planning on taking Tyreke Evans and James Harden, and the Thunder and Kings threw off their entire plan.

    Rubio should be traded to the Knicks. What sense is it to draft a guy who doesn’t want to play for your team? Business is all about leverage, and fans tend to forget that this is about the business and not the integrity of the sport.

    Send Rubio to New York in a three team trade, bringing a shooting guard or true center to minny, with a potential 2010 draft pick involved.

    I still believed that Kahn picked Rubio as trade bait involving Kevin Love in the near future. The Twolves have two starting power forwards, so Love needs to go, as he can start elsewhere.

    Stay tuned….

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    It doesn’t matter if Minny pays him to play in Europe. He will make more money staying in Spain than if he joined the Wolves (I can’t imagine him getting too many endorsement deals outta minny). It looks like a contract buyout hasn’t been settled yet although they are talkin about being able to pay it off over a few years. What was all that talk about him the other day willing to play for free?

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    BETCATS hit it on the nose, though. When you draft the franchise player you wanted, you don’t draft a dude with reverse skillsets but the same position right afterwards. It’s like me asking a girl on a date but asking another girl to tail me, just incase this one doesn’t work out.
    but then again, I’ve heard Rubio is just all hype because he’s white and he really isn’t that good at all.

  • Scott

    Kobe wouldnt play for charlotte. How is this any different?

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    K-Love AND Rubio to New York, the rumors are abuzz. I guess Walsh wants an all-white startng lineup.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Is Rubio considered white? Odd.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    ‘he needs to be somewhere where he can get endorsements at this stage of his career’ no, he needs to be where they drafted him or stay in europe. do you think blake griffin (who is by far the better and most ready player) wants to play for the mess that is the clippers?! HELL NAW! every draftee would like to play for a solid organization that has minutes available at their position in a big city with nice weather. why is rubio’s case special?

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Eboy: I read about twenty god damn minutes of people ON THIS WEBSITE explaining to me that Gasol is white and that Spainish people are white so if you tell me Rubio’s not white I’m going to hit you. Through the internet.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Well……my son’s half Latino and he’s whiter than Jason Williams so…………

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Whatever, The Starting Five kept referring to him as the Great White Hope so that’s what I’m saying.

  • http://slamonline.com B. Long

    Eboy:Mine too.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    I am usually thankful for all Eboy brings to the site but I couldn’t be more opposed to his Rubio hate. I don’t think he’s pampered, I think he will be a great player in the NBA, and yes, people from Spain are considered White Europeans.

  • rav

    “why is rubio’s case special?”

    he has to pay millions to come to the NBA – blake griffin and everyone else at the top of the draft doesnt. IMO griffin is better now but his ceiling isnt what rubio’s is – rubio’s potentially top 3 PG/top 10 player in the league, whereas griffin will be at best a #2 player on a good team, and 15 years from now rubio will be seen as the best player in this draft

    and also – whilst griffin plays for the trainwreck clippers, he gets to live in LA – rubio plays for a dysfunctional team in a city that isnt what LA is (but i’ve heard it isnt as bad as its rep)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Ben……….forget it….I won’t do it. I love you guys too much to get into a confilct with the big dog. Let’s just disagree and move on. Sorry.

  • rav

    “yes, people from Spain are considered White Europeans. ”

    arent just about all of the white people in america european descents anyway?

  • Harrell

    Rubio is bein a d*ck he getiin minny because of this i just hope the wolves and not rubio can pull out of this situation

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Ben Osborne Posted: Jun.26 at 11:29 am
    I am usually thankful for all Eboy brings to the site
    ———————–
    Liar….

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    “Ben Osborne Posted: Jun.26 at 11:29 am
    I am usually thankful for all Eboy brings to the site” Lets not get ahead of ourselves now!

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Eboy: SCARED? I will fight this one for you, just because you my people. EBOY IS RIGHT!!!MY PRESIDENT IS BLACK!!!MY LAMBO IS BLUE!!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I don’t seem to be the only one against Tricky Ricky’s games (if you scroll through this post’s comments). Also, Jukai…….don’t get your half-witted attempts at being relevant confused with my undying loyalty to the mag….right or wrong. I’m not the one who chastizes 80% of the SLAM 50 top players lists (active and inactive) and basically calls into question the relevance of the writers basketball knowledge that pick them from summer to summer. Stop your madness. I may question the ramblings of our commenting brethern but I RARELY downtalk the writers for their knowledge…something you do monthly.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Not scared, BET. That’s silly. I just know that Ben doesn’t have time to sit and debate here….and I’m not in agreement with the mags stance on Ricky. Pretty simple. Nothing more.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    They make Zaboomafu Pampers now. Get Ricky a box.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Fu(k agreeing! I am bawse enough to know we dont need to agree to coexist.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And you were pretty solid in most of your arguments during the latest list of 50 Greatest Players….so maybe you’re getting better.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    i didnt make agruments, im above that. I MAKE TRUTHS.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I was actualy talking about Jukai.

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    When I saw that, I pulled a Charles Barkley. They either took that pick for someone else, or they’re stupid. I think Jonny Flynn is awesome. And he will spank Rubio in practices, because Rubio has never faced anyone with that combination of speed, quickness, strength, and explosiveness. But Rubio can make plays with his eyes closed that Flynn can only dream of right now. They really should’ve just kept Lawson, and run the Villanova four-guard offense with those three, Wayne Ellington, and Al Jefferson. Calathes, Brewer, Gomes, Craig Smith, Kevin Love off the bench, and I don’t know why you’d ever play anyone else on that roster.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    rubio is prolly going to be a nice player in the nba, it’s just that the comparisons are so ridiculous. they’re made because of how he looks and not how he plays. he’s no maravich, maravich was a stone-cold scorer. he’s no nash, nash is perhaps the best shooting point guard in the history of the league, 50-40-90 is routine to him. can we just dead those two comparisons already? if anything, i see a little bit of j.kidd with the vision and defense and lack of scoring. i’m just perplexed that people see him as a sure-shot. top 10 player in the L? top 3 pg? woooooooooooooooow.

  • The D Train

    But doesn’t the fact that Rubio has to pay approx 5.5 million dollars to play in the Association at least make his case a bit different than everyone else who starts pocketing their money from day 1? Not sure about all you cats, but if I had to pay that much money to get out of my contract to come over here, I’d be picky too. If you look at the salary he’ll be making as a 5th pick, I think it’s about 2.7 million the first year and 2.9 the second year. So Ricky basically has to pay his first 2 years salary just to come over here to play. I think that makes a pretty strong case for him to choose where he wants to work…call me crazy, I guess.

  • nicko

    buttpoop

  • Izzo

    FTH.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Seriously Eboy…it’s a magazine…you really need to show loyalty to a magazine? That’s sad man…seriously, get a life.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Izzo…..in five years, when you’re 18…..you can have an opinion.

  • Momma No Like Cold

    Here’s the deal. Dingus Kahn will have exclusive rights to all Rubio highlight videos and will show them during intermission at all Wolves home games. What’s not to like?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    All the guys that played in Europe had to deal with a buy out, this is not a novelty.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Thanks for that wayno. I’ll stick it out in my no-life mind, thanks.

  • Remo Williams

    WOW!! Ricky Rubio is NOT LATINO!!!!!!!

    He’s from spain… in europe. which makes him european.

    he’s white.

    c’mon guys

  • Izzo

    Eboy:Bulletproof logic.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    I guess it’s just hard for Eboy to realize that most people who comment on this site are just NBA fans and unlike him, don’t jack off every time they read a SLAM article.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yes, Izzo….as bulletproof as yours, that I’m sure your busting out at the seams to tell the world how cats that have had little to no real-life business association’s can tell others that have made a career of it, how to run their multi-million dollar organizations.

  • LeMay

    he should be happy to even be in this country. but the T’wolves are hammered if they think theyre gunna play em both. They said Jonny Flynn is a scorer? since when? hes not a good shooter and he averaged 18 on an AVERAGE cuse team. Be greatful ur even on a team Rubio. theres lots of american guys like Dionte Christmas who would love to be even drafted and the foreigners who dont come to the league for 5 years after they are drafted are taking their spots.

  • WOODY

    This just in. Rubio was just traded to Cleveland for Tarence Kinsey, a deceased player, and a truckload of Eliot Ness beer.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    wayno, are you the type of guy who still hasn’t met a woman who can stomach you for more than 4 hours at a time and are frustrated that you have no friends to vent your life’s frustrations at? It kind of sounds like it. Just saying.

  • The D Train

    Pau Gasol paid 2.2 million to buyout his contract. Rudy Fernandez also paid 2.2 million. Ricky’s buyout until June 30th is 6.6 million dollars. After the 30th of June it jumps up another million dollars. So no, it’s not a novelty, but it’s also an exorbitant amount of money.

  • nicko

    butt poop

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    That’s be about 3 1/2 more hours than women can stand you. Just saying.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Besides, I’m pretty sure I’m not the one saying I’m loyal to A MAGAZINE. I like SLAM as much as the next basketball fan but come on man. Saying someone has no friends after admitting loyalty to a magazine is pretty hilarious.

  • Izzo

    Eboy:Okay you’ve convinced me,he’s a clown.We bother needing a reason that makes sense to think this?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    It’s not just a magazine,….it’s the brand….the people that run it…the people that produce content for it (most of whom have had direct contact with the readers which every other sports publication is not willing to do)….and the people that enjoy discussing/debating under it’s brand wing….even you. Whatever wayno…..it’s not going to end yours or my worlds if we don’t agree about it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    You’re wrong about Kobe. Don’t forget Steve Francis either.
    I’m not going to kill Rubio for his decision. I will be pissed if the media doesn’t kill him though.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    You were calling Rubio white well before the Pau Gasol discussion.
    Which is funny. Rubio is white, Gasol was not. They are from the same country, and there is not a big difference in color between the two.

  • Momma No Like Cold

    Jamel Tinsley, another Dingus Kahn draft choice is available.

  • Izzo

    Rubio can stand to lose a lot of money by having an NBA career.But let’s forget all common sense,and you should all probably ignore me because I’m younger than most of you and I have never run a business(because that’s very relevant)
    And while you’re all at that,ignore ethnicities and just consider everyone either black or white.

  • NotSoCold

    Using the “cold” excuse is garbage. Ive lived in MN for a chunk of my life, yeah it gets real cold for 1 month out of the year, so stay in and watch a movie. In the summertime, there are not a whole lot more cities that are better. Plus, you think the weather in Chicago, or New York is a ton better? Every year, NY gets hit with a huge snowstorm that MN would never see. Basically, he is using a wholly untrue stereotype. Whatever, he doesn’t want to play here? Fine. Hold his draft rights forever and don’t let him get a sniff of the NBA. Good luck playing for 95,000 a year in Spain.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Since we’re on the topic, is Blake Griffin that crazy, Delonte West, blackish white?

  • rav

    blake griffin’s dad is black and his mother is white

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Izzo
    Your ethnicity determines whether you’re black or white?
    Explain that to me.
    From my understanding, you can be hispanic and either black, white or neither. You can be Latino and be the same.
    Black and white are separate from ethnicity, so it’s two different discussions.
    However, it’s not really important. The important thing is that Jukai loves to randomnly interject racial arguments into discussions, and then pretend like he doens’t understand why he gets the reaction he gets.
    Nobody else brought up Rubio’s color or race or anything of the sort. Jukai interjected it because he has a larger point he wants to make, but is unwilling to actually make.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Izzo, you sound stupid. Stop. You know a ton of dude’s that have a Nike contract and McDonald endorsments as well as a high paying baskteball playing gig currently? Do you? Personally? No? Let me introduce you to the current standing of Ricky Rubio. He has all these things already. Plus he just got drafted top 5 in the NBA, the highest profile basketball league in the entire world. And now the dude is crying about where he wants to play….on his terms. Fu*k that. Young, old or indifferent, if you can’t see the problem with it, you are ignorant. Sorry. And I know you aren’t ,but you’re way wrong on this.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    If it bothers you that The Starting Five called Rubio “The Great White Hope” I would suggest going to the site, making your case and engaging in a discussion with the individuals. I’m sure Mike Tillery, Temple3 and the rest of the gang will be more than happy to explain to you exactly why they wrote what they wrote.
    That seems a more useful approach then randomly throwing out sarcastic remarks about race on the Slam board.

  • Izzo

    Allenp:Jukai brings up Rubio being ‘white’ because to some he’s being billed as the great white hope(which he hasn’t) and for some reason many consider him being drafted so early as being racist.Jukai is referencing a discussion that already took place,not randomly bringing up race.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *basketball

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Why not The Great Spanish Hope then?

  • Izzo

    Nah I am ignorant.Whatever.Why shouldn’t players be able to choose where they go?The draft is stupid.But I guess since hating Kobe makes less sense nowadays,you need a different subject of senseless hate.Whatever.I’m done with this f*cking place.

  • Izzo

    Allen:Me and Jukai both commented on the Rubio stuff,and were met with a healthy dose of disrespect and hostility.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    I don’t think race is an issue here. White, black, Chinese – it doesn’t matter. Behaving like a spoiled, ungrateful child is something universally, whether it comes from the player or his agent. You go into the draft KNOWING you’ll be at the mercy of the draft. If you don’t like it go languish in Europe or somewhere else for a few years first.

  • nicko

    who’s jeff goldblum?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    THAT’S WHY IT’S A FU*KING DRAFT, IZZO……THEY “DRAFT” YOU TO THE TEAM YOU ARE SELCETED BY AND YOU PLAY OUT YOUR ROOKIE CONTRACT THERE UNLESS YOU ARE MOVED OR NO LONGER NEEDED!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    I could so see him walking into ‘Sota in in shock: “Hey, where’s KG?”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Izzo and Jukai
    I just found that thread. So, I take back my comment telling y’all to go talk it out.
    What I’m curious about is the tone used here to discuss the issue.
    If Jukai wants to have the same discussion he had at Starting Five here, then I think he chose to start the discussion in the wrong way.
    Honestly, I think that Rubio is hyped because of his past accomplishments, his style of play and his skin color.
    All three things contribute to the image of him and the comparisions writers make when discussing him. It’s obvious.
    Do I think he’s overhyped, yeah. But I think all three factors contribute to that. Personally, it’s not a sin to be overhyped coming into the draft, it happens all the time.
    However, I do expect to see Rubio CREAMED by the national media for being a spoiled brat if he starts pushing for a different trade already. The same way Steve Francis got creamed and Yi got creamed. That’s only fair.
    I think it’s a mistake to say Rubio is ONLY hyped because he is white, and I think it’s a mistake to say that his skin color has NOTHING to do with the hype. Both views are simplistic.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Izzo conveniently sidestepped my question to him about an 18 year old who already has McDonalds and Nike contracts and gets paid to ball ALREADY. Nice.

  • Izzo

    Eboy:He gets paid less than 100k to ball,I don’t know how much his endorsement deals are but I’m guessing they’re nowhere near the buy out amount.Bottomline he has more to lose.I wasn’t sidestepping,I’m just done commenting.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    So where’s he getting his money for the buyout? By the math, he’d have to have played ball for about 50 years to pay off the buyout total.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Allenp: Absolutely on point comment at 1.08pm. Aside from skin colour, Rubio’s hype really stems from the fact that he’s had so much success at such a young age – playing pro ball, playing in the Olympics. The same way Freddy Adu and Lebron were hyped as teenage sports stars.

  • http://slamonline.com s.e.a.n

    I f!cking hate this Rubio kid, looks like Harry Potter and i dont care if he does become a superstar in the league.

  • nicko

    is whoopie goldberg really the coach of the knicks?

  • $tev3

    FN STUPID!!!!!!!!!!
    I Really Wanted Flynn 2 Go to NY I’m From BL0 Gimme A Break

  • Jason

    Rubio’s hype has gotten so out of controlled. He’s a lock as a top 10 player? Not with his athletic ability he isn’t. The only elite point guard who isn’t a superb athlete is Steve Nash and that’s only in terms of his vertical. Otherwise, his footwork, body control, balance, everything but leaping ability is world class. Oh and he happens to be one of the best shooters in history, capable of making shots from all different types of angles, ranges and contortions. I guess Billups isn’t a top-notch athlete as well but he’s one of the strongest point guards to play in the nba. It’s not like every other point guard is an amateur passer next to Rubio. I think his lack of athleticism is too much to overcome to join the company of Pau, Williams, Rose and Parker.

  • http://slamonline.com B. Long

    Here’s my take on the whole Rubio situation. He’s 18 yrs. old and he’s been playing pro ball for about 5 yrs. now. He’s not 7 feet tall and he’s not ridiculously athletic, so basicly he’s been busting his ass playing ball just to have the opportunity in front of him. He hasn’t been handed anything, he has earned it. That being said, I don’t agree with whining your way out of a NBA franchise that drafts you. I think he should man up and play ball, regardless of how horribly run that organization is. But even if he b!tches out and doesn’t show up, I don’t think its a reason to just vehemently hate the kid and act like he’s everything wrong with sports. In all honesty there isn’t a big difference between what Brandon Jennings did last season with the NCAA and what Rubio’s doing with the NBA. He’s making the decison that best suits his wants and needs and those of his family. And although I don’t nessciarily agree with that decision, I’m okay with it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Joel
    I think people like certain kinds of point guards, and often they are blinded to their flaws when they like them.
    I’ve discussed what I see as Rubio’s flaws many times, and Jukai and I have disagreed on how serious they are. That’s cool. Everybody has an opinion.
    However, I think there are some things that should be obvious to everyone if you are approaching the issue honestly.
    1. People take Rubio’s skin color into account when discussing his game. It’s why he’s compared to Nash and Pistol Pete, when, as I’ve said many, MANY times, his game is more Jason Kidd with less speed.
    2. Rubio is trying to protect his own personal interests by forcing the right team to draft him. He’s protecting his interests much the same way BRANDON JENNINGS protected his interests by going to Europe. The difference is that people have accepted what Rubio is doing as a smart business, while they seem to have taken pleasure in savaging Jennings.
    And by people, I mean the mainstream media folks that drive public opinion for 95 percent of NBA fans.
    It’s cool that some of y’all have seen through these media attempts, but that doesn’t change the fact that these things have happened. I had a friend tell me that Jennings was constantly getting creamed by ESPN for not working out because he was in Europe. While Rubio’s refusal to work out was shrugged off in many ways.
    I’ve heard Jennings killed for having disappointing stats, when it’s not PERFECTLY NORMAL for young European players to come to the League with piss poor stats, but loads of “potential.”
    Basically, different standards are being applied to different players and that is galling to me.
    Some folks don’t really care.

  • niQ

    rubio is an idiot for not wanting to play for certain “team”. and minni is dumb for drafting a bunch (not just 2) point guards. it’s like a perfect matrimony of idiots.

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Eboy: Wow… just WOW… You don’t talk down to writers? You are one of the reasons Russ doesn’t post here anymore! You called Myles so many names in your Kobe/Lebron debates, it was getting embarrassing! Just cause you suck Ben and Lang’s d*ck doesn’t mean you “respect” the SLAM staff anymore than myself. Get a life, bro. The reason the comment section is here is for basketball discussion. The entire SLAM 50 list sucked, it was universally hated, and turned out to be pretty universally wrong. Sorry I have an opinion on that. The SLAM top-50 EVER list was pretty ball park, save for a few hiccups here or there. It has nothing to do with me “respecting” the magazine. Christ and a half, dude, go outside or something.
    Allenp: I’m actually referencing, almost BLATANTLY COPYING, what Myles and Ryan and Izzo have been posting for a LONG time here. Me calling Rubio “the great white hope” isn’t even original and I didn’t start referencing the previous three mentioned people until speaking with Tillery and listening to his insane, xenophobic and and paranoid point of views. It’s funny how I offend you when I mention it, but the others don’t. I think the hype around his skin color is very, very nominal. Other previous white high-level draft picks got no hype. Rubio is so hyped because he’s a youtube SENSATION. But I also don’t like the word ‘hyped’ because Rubio has been working his tail off in a professional league for 5 years now and constantly producing. It’s way too early to say if he’s the next Jason Kidd, but it’s even EARLIER to call him the next Darko. It’s disrespectful to Rubio. I have hated Rubio’s GUTS for the way he has acted like he deserves a greater deal than anyone else in the NBA, but downgrading his skills because somehow the media is racist, that’s just insane.
    Alright?
    F*cking god.

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Eboy: Wow… just WOW… You don’t talk down to writers? You are one of the reasons Russ doesn’t post here anymore! You called Myles so many names in your Kobe/Lebron debates, it was getting embarrassing! Just cause you suck Ben and Lang’s d*ck doesn’t mean you “respect” the SLAM staff anymore than myself. Get a life, bro. The reason the comment section is here is for basketball discussion. The entire SLAM 50 list sucked, it was universally hated, and turned out to be pretty universally wrong. Sorry I have an opinion on that. The SLAM top-50 EVER list was pretty ball park, save for a few hiccups here or there. It has nothing to do with me “respecting” the magazine. Christ and a half, dude, go outside or something.
    Allenp: I’m actually referencing, almost BLATANTLY COPYING, what Myles and Ryan and Izzo have been posting for a LONG time here. Me calling Rubio “the great white hope” isn’t even original and I didn’t start referencing the previous three mentioned people until speaking with Tillery and listening to his insane, xenophobic and and paranoid point of views. It’s funny how I offend you when I mention it, but the others don’t. I think the hype around his skin color is very, very nominal. Other previous white high-level draft picks got no hype. Rubio is so hyped because he’s a youtube SENSATION. But I also don’t like the word ‘hyped’ because Rubio has been working his tail off in a professional league for 5 years now and constantly producing. It’s way too early to say if he’s the next Jason Kidd, but it’s even EARLIER to call him the next Darko. It’s disrespectful to Rubio. I have hated Rubio’s GUTS for the way he has acted like he deserves a greater deal than anyone else in the NBA, but downgrading his skills because somehow the media is racist, that’s just insane.
    Alright?
    F*cking god.

  • nicko

    does whoopi goldberg really coach the knicks???

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Also, Allen, you’re totally wrong about Gasol and Rubio accusation, but whatever.

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Also, the perfectly timed pick-and-roll bounce passes and heave alley-oops are more like Nash, and not Kidd (I know Kidd likes to do the same thing, but Kidd’s more into the no-looks and bouncing to cutters instead of creating through pick-and-rolls, GENERALLY). So the Steve Nash comparisons really don’t annoy me, because he LOOKS LIKE STEVE NASH WHEN HE PASSES.
    Also, many scouting websites and articles have compared his defense to Walt Fraizer and Gary Payton. To my knowledge, those dudes are black. I could be wrong though.

  • Jason

    Allep, the Jason Kidd with less speed is spot on. I’ve seen a bunch of his games. As much as I’m annoyed by the hype that his potential is through the roof, I did like a lot of what I saw. He does pass the ball up ahead whenever there’s an opportunity. He’s not one of those selfish point guards who holds onto the ball because he wants to rack up assists. I really admire him for that, just like I’ve always admired Jason Kidd for doing the same thing. Like Kidd, he’s a capable spot up 3-point shooter and an okay finisher at the rim but he has no mid-range game to speak of.
    Where he diverges from Kidd in one aspect, like you said, is in the speed department. Kidd was ruggedly fast, Rubio isn’t. At the same time though, Rubio looks like he runs a good halfcourt offense, while Kidd’s teams have typically been dreadful in the halfcourt. It’s tough to access what the overall equation of Rubio will come out to.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    Let’s recap.
    You made a snarky comment about Rubio that was related to his race.
    I pointed out that this is common with you regarding race in ANY discussion.
    I also pointed out that you have readily accepted Rubio’s “whiteness” while you questioned whether Pau Gasol was “white.”
    Are you saying that I’m wrong about any of those things?
    I do not feel I’ve downgraded his skills, I feel like I’ve accurately presented them. You disagree.
    You have attributed my assessment of his skills to my issues with media presentation. Apparently, you believe I lack the mental power to discuss to different issues at the same time.
    Let’s see if I can change that.
    1. Rubio is tall, with average to below-average athleticism, a nice, if not outstanding handle, and very little shooting ability. He has been great in a pro league that has a lower level of skill than the NBA and utilizes a very different style of play with different rules.
    2. I believe that his inability to shoot, coupled with his lack of athletic ability, presents a problem. Are those problems insurmountable, I don’t know. But, as I have in the past, I challenge you to point to another point guard who lacked superior atheltic ability and lacked a jumpshot, who has been a success in the last 20 years. I could not come up with one, maybe you can.
    3. I also think the change in rules and the general change in the level of play in the NBA will pose more difficulties for Rubio than people expect. Again, this is my opinion, not fact.
    Those are the ways I’ve “downgraded” Rubio. I’ve made the same arguments over and over again. I could be horribly wrong, I could be right.
    What I don’t appreciate is the insinuation that my opinions are formed soley by the problems I have with racism in the media and in general.
    Those are my points, show me how they relate to race.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    Jason Kidd was throwing alley oops when Steve Nash was riding the bench. Alley oops are his specialty.
    Kidd was running the pick and roll, in Dallas, in Phoenix, in Jersey, long before Steve Nash captured America’s fancy.
    EVERY SINGLE PASS STEVE NASH HAS EVER THROWN, HAS BEEN THROWN BY JASON KIDD BEFORE.
    Steve Nash’s style of play and his skill set really do not resemble Ricky Rubio’s. They are not similar players in the way they run a game, or their talents.

  • Jason

    About Rubio’s defense, I think there’s a lot of short fused flash but the substance can be lacking. In the games I saw, Rubio does an excellent job of applying pressure for brief spurts. He’ll approach a point guard dribbling in place and he’ll really expel a rush of energy moving his feet and hands frantically. It can be impressive but then his man usually ends up blowing past him. I don’t think he’s the second coming of Gary Payton on defense, nor a young Jason Kidd for that matter.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jason
    I think you have a point about Rubio and Kidd in the halfcourt.
    My only argument would be that none of Kidd’s teams, before Dallas, were really constructed to succeed in the half court. The players around him, like in Jersey and Phoenix, didn’t really have the skill sets for half court offense. So, the teams ran a lot.

  • Rich

    What a spoiled little prick. First he tells Memphis not to bother, now he’s iffy about Minny. Why don’t you just tell the league which teams you’re willing to play for, Ricky.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    I think he wanted to get drafted by the Lakers…and that is all…

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Truthfully I don’t think pro players of any country should be eligible for the draft , its an amatuer draft. Ricky and everyone other import should be able to just negotiate with the team of his choice so he can obtain the corrent amount of money for a buyout or stay in spain. Its a flawed system.

  • Jason

    Allenp, that may be the case with respect to his teammates but I’ve still never been impressed with his halfcourt playmaking skills. Kidd never penetrated much in the halfcourt. I can’t recollect many assists where he blew by his man, got into the paint, drew a defender and then dumped off a gift-wrapped shot. He was never a point guard who lived in the paint. To me he was more of a ball mover and spot up shooter in the halfcourt.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    It’s beyond ridiculous to compare him to Nash. One shoots, the other doesn’t. One defends, the other doesn’t. Steve is also way more ‘agitated’ in his style of play, continually probing the defense and running circles in the paint. That’s not Rubio. At all. It’s even more of a joke with Maravich… the bowl haircut and then? What? / He’s a pg who can’t shoot AND can’t finish at the rim. That’s A LOT to overcome. Why are people ignoring this? They’ll leave him wide open out there and when he drives they won’t help and dare him to finish. / The fact that he is NOT getting killer for skipping workouts and b!tching about where he wants to play is… suspicious. I think a lot of ppl have a very keen interest on seeing this fellow succeed.

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Allenp:
    Jesus… I’ll speak with less syllables, but I don’t have any hand puppets to explain this to you in the proper way to make you understand
    1- I “accepted” your definition of Gasol being a “white guy.” I asked other people, read up, and yes, Spanish guys are considered white. So I now consider both of them white. You were RIGHT. I even said you were right. I have no idea why you keep bringing this up.
    2- You are correct in all your assumptions. What you do not get, coupled with what I have said, is:
    a) You are not giving Rubio credit for what athletic skills he does have, which is immense change of speed, great lateral quickness, and underrated strength which has allowed him to finish at the basket (I know Europe is much weaker than the NBA, but as anyone with eyes can see, Rubio realizes this and has been putting on muscle).
    b) I guess it’s impossible to learn how to shoot. It’s a skill you have to be born with, along with height and reach. I mean, Lebron never learned how to shoot, right?
    If Rubio NEVER DOES get a shot, he will probably fall into a starter-but-not-really-all-star catagory of player. That goes without saying. Yet, Rubio’s jumpshot has shown VAST improvement every year for the exception of last year, when HE HAD COMPLETELY BROKE THE WRIST IN HIS SHOOTING HAND AND COULD NOT PRACTICE HIS SHOOTING. Is this a bit of an excuse? Yes, it is an excuse. But stop making it seem like Rubio will never learn to shoot. Can we ask Tony Parker if it’s ever possible to get an NBA-level jumper?
    But let’s put that all aside for a second: my main concern is your constant prattling about Rubio being overhyped. Once again, this dude worked his TAIL off in a professional league when some kids were balling in Middle School. Hype and ability to succede are totally different. Ask Telfair about that.
    3) FINALLY, Jason Kidd may have done all the passes as Steve Nash has done, but they are done in a totally different style. Kidd is very straight forward with his dribble, he will usually mislead a person with his body motion and eyes, while Nash misleads his defender with his confusing dribbling patterns and quick hands. There’s a totally differnet buildup, and a totally different way of doing it. RUBIO PASSES MORE LIKE NASH. Look up youtube videos or something, just stop making up your own opinions.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jason, what you just described was the only way McCulloh and Kenyon scored in the halfcourt in Jersey.

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Z: HE’S BEING FREAKING SHREDDED FOR SKIPPING WORKOUTS! He was a surefire top three pick and he fell to fifth! And it looks like he was ONLY taken at fifth to be traded! God damn…

  • Tony_B

    Ricky Rubio is the real deal. No ball player has been this hyped up since LBJ, and we all know how that turned out. Its a shame we won’t get to see him in the NBA this season because David Kahn is a f’in retard. They get Flynn right after, both of these kids were probably like WTF? Also the kid’s buyout is ridiculous, so I agree with him not wanting to play in ‘Sota. Trade him to NY, a place where he can recoup those costs from endorsements, otherwise it doesn’t make sense for him to come to the NBA. He’ll jus go back to tearing up the ACB. To all the clowns saying he has a nike deal, mickey d’s whatever, you don’t know his financial situation at all, so how can you be like shut up an play?

  • Jason

    Ohh, I forgot Kidd’s single biggest weapon in the halfcourt: the posting up of smaller guards. It’s something I never understood. It was fairly effective because defenses would double team despite the fact that he was not much of a scoring threat even with his size and strength advantage and he found open shooters. When teams didn’t bother to double, Kidd didn’t punish them for it.

  • Jason

    Z, it was my recollection that when Kenyon scored off a Kidd assist, it was of the alleyhoop pass variety. Kidd was not the type of point to break his man off the dribble and attack the paint. He had better stretched out speed than short space speed.
    A lot of the times in the halfcourt, Kidd brings the ball up, gives it to a wing player and then circles away.

  • http://www.oprah.com doyouwantmore

    LOL Go easy on Jukai, he’s a virgin. Get off the computer Jukai, your mom could use some help around the house.

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Get off my mom cause I just got off yours.

  • http://www.oprah.com doyouwantmore

    Oh crap I actually agree with Jukai’s last post. Now I’m conflicted.

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Sorry, I love that zinger. Please try not to go Darksaber on me and write a seventy page rant about how he loves his mother then ask Ryne to ban me.

  • http://www.oprah.com doyouwantmore

    I can’t believe it, but I really do agree with Jukai’s last post.

  • http://www.oprah.com doyouwantmore

    I don’t know who Darksaber is or what you’re referring to but you’re right about Rubio, so I apologize for being insulting.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Im still happy.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Please do not come to the Knicks, Mr. Rubio.

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Myles, why does your name link to Slam? Are you a writer or something?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    F*ck man I’m still p!ssed that we didn’t take Jennings. Why, after we just traded for Darko, would we draft another big man, when we clearly needed a f*cking point guard. Donnie Walsh is SLIPPIN’ and D’Antoni has never been a good influence on draft picks– See Exhibit A: Danilo Galinari. F*ck I’m getting tired of sh!tty @ss drafts. If it weren’t for the Rockets and the Raptors, I’d be sooooo angry right now. Good thing I’m not, right?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Seriously, if these stupid Knick executives would have drafted Eric Gordon last year, now Brandon Jennings this year, we’d have potentially one of the best young backcourts in the NBA, come LeBron James in 2010. F*CK.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    ISIAH THOMAS IS STILL IN NEW YORK!! THAT’S THE ONLY EXPLANATION.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Huh?

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    Teddy: I’m actually as mystified as you, bro.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    I like Myles’ attitude at 3:26…a little more pleasant then some of the posts on here.

  • http://www.superbasket.gr Eurobasket1987

    Ricky Rubio is the Point Guard of the 2010-2020era in the NBA…everybody underestimates him..still they do…this young gun has game…but the NBA did a mistake not to show him the respect and the draft position he deserves…should have been I higher pick…and …expected the Kings to pick him…but they already traded for the flashy-poing-guard Sergio Rodriguez…a quick and real PG for the Kings..good choice…but a last word on Ricky: he will rock in a few years…he is the best Point Guard that entered the draft since Steve Nash. Period!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    A week ago, he was all about his dream to play in the NBA and that he would play for free if he had to. Now they’re talking about the buy out being a problem, like it’s a new factor that just popped in there. Now, they’re talking locations. Now, they’re talking freaking weather. \ Myles, either a) you have some inside info and know that rubio is gonna come regardless b) you think the wolves can parlay him into a really nice package from another team. (a package that would have to be nicer than foye + miller)

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    All this is lost in the 2 and a half week celebration of the Lakers defeating the Orlando Magic for the NBA championship. What do smart teams that are strapped for cash do? Cash considerations baby. Take all our draft picks, we won’t be needing them at this time. C.R.E.A.M.

  • http://www.another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    As much as I love SLAMonline, the commenters here…. I’m not sure, but sometimes I have the feeling that these last couple of months there’s a lot of negativity around here, and if the comment section was deleted, it would be sad thing, yet totally acceptable. I’ve been following the League for quite a while now, and I love that I follow a sport where race shouldn’t be the issue. I love the NBA, its players, I love SLAM, but certainly not some of its commenters, especially the ones who have been here for a looooong time. Bitter people.

  • http://slamonline blaze

    I think its stupid that NBA draftees can pick and chose what teams they will and wont play for. Steve Francis started it, Yi did it (kinda) and now Rubio saying he may stay in Spain! its ridiculous, shouldnt these spoiled kids be happy to be wanted, and want the challenge of turning a team around? What a jerk-off.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign blalze.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    blaze*

  • http://slamonline.com Chance

    Rubio is all hype, he played sporadic minutes overseas, he doesn’t have a jump shot, and he has a too thin of a frame for the NBA. Also, point guard is a very cerebral position, Rubio is 18, and he always makes impulsive decisions. There is no way he’ll move into the NBA’s elite. The wolves will just move him and keep Flynn.

  • C-money$$$

    IDK what the wolves are thinking on this one fellas. I live in MN, and like Freedom Fries said, it is hotter than heck up here. The only time it is bad is January, but last I checked, basketball was an indoor sport. Ricky should shut up and come play for Minny or we can trade him for a legit 2 guard. I’m still confused at why the Twolves didn’t draft Curry or Derozan after Rubio. If they knew they were going to take two PG’s, why not take Jennings and Curry, two players who could play off of each other… I just don’t know what they were thinking.

  • C-money$$$

    Oh and Eurobasket1987- Rubio is good, but are you saying that he’s better than Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Devin Harris, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, etc??

  • http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/482871/cj_king.html CJK

    But maybe staying overseas for one more year will be the best option for rubio. The buyout will be lower (unless next year is his last year, then no buyout at all), giving him a last chance to retool his game to fit the NBA. However I expect if he does stay overseas he will/should be traded to a team that did not take a point in the lottery.

  • http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/482871/cj_king.html CJK

    On the other hand, did David Kahn just pull a McHale? I mean truly, this was not a wise basketball decision, IMO.

  • http://www.milliondollamindz.com/blog MillionDollaMindz

    ^ Hell No

  • Jay-G

    Seems like the T-Wolves are anti-two guards. First Roy, then Mayo, now Curry. Its wrong for Ricky to play hardball, but the Wolves knew he would. One thing that bothers me about drafts is when teams try to get “cute” and either draft a guy that they know the want to trade or draft on potential and ignore the really solid player (see: Roy v. Bargnani).

  • C-money$$$

    Exactly MillionDollaMindz. Ricky Rubio is not going to be better than any of those guys I mentioned. He might get up to Harris or Rondo, but as I see it, he will not be as good as Rose, Paul,or Williams.

  • Soundproof

    I’d rather play in Spain any day than in Minny. New York sucks, but it New York! Let him have a choice. I wouldn’t want to waist my career in Minny. If the Clippers don’t get better, Griffin will do the smart thing and scram to a well known team. Minny, Memphis, Milwake, Okla, & Toronto are some places that player fade away. Rubio being a basketball player and a fan of the NBA knows these truths. He shouldn’t waist his skills where he is not needed. PG land!

  • http://http//www.youtube.com The Promise

    Eboy, look, regardless of what the rest of the people on this site think, I am with you all the way on this one. I’ve heard about Rubio until I could puke. Its pathetic, that teams draft these guys, and then they decide they dont wanna play for them. You know why? They know its gonna be so much harder in the NBA than it was in Europe, and they crack under the pressure. Flynn would run circles around him, and he would not be able to handle that, cause hes used to being the big star. I really dont think hes that good. I think there were at least 5 to 10 players in this draft that were more NBA ready than him. His excuse is that his parents dont like cold weather. Well, so what. Do what everybody else does in Minnesota when it gets cold. Wear a coat. If you get drafted by Minnesota, you should be a man and go play for them. Sure, there have been other guys that whined about where they got drafted to, but they wern’t scared to play in the League, unlike this little chump. I have said it over and over to different people, that I thought Jennings was a way more polished player. I was just never impressed with Rubio’s game. Sure, he could throw some wild passes and stuff, but he wont be throwing those same passes in the NBA. Guys like Paul and Rondo would steal it from him over and over until he went to the bench and pulled a Big Baby and cry a river. I just dont think this kid has what it takes, and I’m tired of listening to the people who actually think he does have what it takes. Eboy, I’m with you dawg. I’m backing you up on this one all the way.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Soundproof: You’re an idiot if you think those other cities are on par with Toronto. Seriously, why do ignorant people always think Toronto is some small, undeveloped city? Its on par with New York as two great cities. Believe me, I’m from BOTH cities.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    About a week ago, I was aware that Ricky Rubio was a Spanish point guard who was coming to the NBA, but I really didn’t spend much of my day thinking about him, dreamy as he may be. But after reading some of the sh*t I’ve read, here and on other sites, I’d like to send out some goodwill to Ricky Rubio: Ricky, I know you don’t know who the f*ck I am, and I know there’s no way in hell you’ll read this, but I hope you make 15 all-star teams and win 8 rings. Peace.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    And I also hope you f*ck Myriam Faris.

  • Soundproof

    Pau Gasol in Memphis was a nobody, Pau Gasol in LA? He is the man, paid and respected for what he brings to the team. What number is retired in Toronto? Kevin Garnett in Minny wasting his time, Kevin Garnett in Boston… I just don’t want any player to waist their time. Time is worth more than money,…well, everyone want a fat ass NBA Championship ring!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    You know…..at the end of the day……the worst thing I said about Ricky personally was that I hoped he’d get frostbite. That’s really not such a horrible inuslt in the grand scheme of things.

  • Yassi

    Tariq, thats one heck of a comment….loved it. THX

  • Yassi

    uuups, i meant the one with the all-star teams and the rings, as i have no freakin idea who myriwhoever is……..

  • http://www.bebo.com/SupahhHuman B-Moore

    :L What’s with all this racial stuff..?

    It’s basketball. Not the holocaust.

    @Eboy.. Yeah hoping he gets frostbite isn’t that bad. Could really have been a whole lot worse!

    But at least Rubio isn’t totally refusing to play until he gets sent to a better team.

    *I will forever hate Kobe Bryant.*

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    LOL @ Eboy: I feel you on this one, Rubio is overhyped like crazy. And annoying. Although, I have to admit, I don’t vehemently h@te the guy like you do.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Anyways, EVERYBODY READ JASON’S COMMENT: JUNE 26, 1:40 PM. This dude is on point!
    Look, I don’t h@te Rubio… He’s a little annoying, but I don’t h@te him. I certainly don’t want him getting frostbite now ;) .
    BUT this kid is hyped up more than even Brandon Jennings is, while being really irrational about this whole draft. He doesn’t want to play for OKC? Who the heck wouldn’t want to set up Westbrook, Durant, and Green? He doesn’t want to play for Memphis? Who the heck wouldn’t want to play with OJ Mayo in the backcourt?
    Shat, even Yi Jian Lian PLAYED his first year in Milwaukee. He wasn’t happy but he stuck with it.
    Now Rubio is talking about going back to Spain? If this guy has worked so tremendously hard to get where he is, why in the world would he throw it all away just because of ONE LOCATION? If he was truly willing to play in the N-freakin-B-freakin-A he would *hypothetically* have sucked it up and persevered for four years, by which he would be able to finally choose where he wanted to go. I agree with Allenp: his attitude this draft SHOULD leave an indelible mark with the media. Its fair.
    Anyways, I can’t wait to see what Demar Derozan, Brandon Jennings, and even Jordan Hill can do this year!

  • Steve

    Let’s face it, Rubio is a punk and so are all the other players who think they can decide where they are going to play by threatening not to show.

    It all started with that b*tch Danny Ferry and has gotten worse since.

    I think Rubio will have a Ferry-esque career anyway, he is a poor man’s Jason Kidd at best. I.e. Kidd’s vision but without the size, strength or speed.

  • Dan

    Could somebody please tell me why both of the rumored trades involving Rubio and the New York Knicks would put the Wolves into an even worse position than they are in now? Honestly, Nate Robinson traded here would just be another point guard. Why trade a point guard because you have to many, only to acquire one who undoubtedly would be looked upon as the centerpiece of any trade. The other one with Jordan Hill is just the same. Three Power Forawrds? If anything, that is more overkill than two point guards. In one SLAM article, they said he could be a good rotation guy for when Al or Love need a break. First off, Al and Love served as eachother’s breather many times last season when they needed it, which seemed to work just fine. Secondly, Hill won’t be happy as a sixth or seventh man near the end of his contract. Honestly, a Rubio trade may be best. But until tbere are any legitmate offers, the Wolves have two point guards who look like they could be great, but they haven’t proved it to anyone yet. The chances of both of them making it, however upsetting, is still relatively low. They have the luxury of waiting to see which one works, and signing that guy until the day he retires.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Poor Man’s Jason Kidd = Steve Nash = You could do a lot worse.
    By the way, I’ve hearing a lot about how apparently Mike Bibby is Nash’s equal. And this from “experts”. I think Nash is over-rated but come ON.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Whoa whoa. Poor mans jason kidd? Jason kidd is a poor mans magic and steve nash is like a poor mans stockton. Those two play nothing alike.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Yeah, I guess you’re right.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Mike Bibby used to be the man, ‘Riq.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Teddy: Yeah, he was awesome in that series against the Lakers in 02, but he isn’t on Nash’s level. Let’s be real.

  • http://fjdkslf.com Jukai

    I’m liking this Tariq character.

  • http://yahoo.com logan

    i wouldnt wanna play for the twolves either

  • http://www.bebo.com/SupahhHuman B-Moore

    Hmmm @the dude calling him a poor mans jason kidd.. i’m pretty sure kobe threatened not to play for the grizzlies ..

    But oh yes.. the 2nd best player in the nba is a punk.. Of course.

    Shot brains.

  • Steve

    If Kobe did that then yes he is a punk. Basketball talent has nothing to do with it.

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    B-Moore is incorrect: Kobe said he’d go to college if he had to play for Charlotte. Or, his agent did anyway.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Jukai:
    I’m not on Nash’s nuts like you, Jukai, but I’m not a hater either.

  • http://drexlerwasabeast.com nbk

    jukai: thats pretty contradictory considering legally bryant would have had to pay for college since he obviously already had an agent…..i hope that “threat” is not what got him traded to LA

  • http://NBARuinstheSPort Danny

    WHat is the problem with players selecting where htey want to play? IM sick of the NBA making all these crazy rules. Its not free-flowing. Id stay and play in europe

  • ngoiekafita

    LMAO @ Mo Charlo

  • Peter

    At the time the Divac/Bryant trade was widely judged as a coup for Charlotte. And some NBA teams considered Bryant just too farfetched a gamble, even with Tellem’s maneuverings.

    “They’re saying Kobe Bryant can play for the Lakers. We don’t know if he can play for North Carolina,” huffed CBS college hoop analyst Billy Packer. He was only a bit more spectacularly wrong than everyone else.

  • Peter

    Kobe dropped to 13 for a reason. He wasn’t a sure thing back then like Lebron was when he got drafted. Even though his agent may not have wanted him to play for a small market team, he didn’t have the same leverage as some of these guys have. And Jerry West gave up a lot to get him. Vlade was pretty solid then.

  • Yassi

    Teddy-the-bear: you dont get it. Its the other way around. Its not that he wants to go back to spain. He still IS in Spain because he has a contract there for 2 more years. A fact that EVERYBODY knew beforehand, even the L-Wolves that is.
    So why should he buy out himself out of a contract for millions and millions just to play someplace he doesnt want to be let alone play? How stupid is that? why the ?&%$ should he?
    WOULD YOU???? definitely n-o-t!

  • Yassi

    ….besides what was that by the Lwolves anyways??? those guys must be totally nutz, look at the draft! for =)/%%= sake! you want to play for those guys capable of orchestrating incredibly smart drafts like that one??? me not think so…….

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    200.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Soundproof: Why aren’t there any numbers retired in Toronto? Maybe because the Raptors are an expansion team that was only established in 1995 you goof! Toronto is a great city.

  • Nino

    i love how these boards have one subject and completely change

  • BXPAPi95

    Rubio in orange-in-blue? We could only hope…What about JKidd being on the menu…At 36 he could still create easy buckets for cats like Dlee and Chandler…But Rubio, if he pans out, would bring the same presence

    Big Sully was outspoken on the subject

    http://zsmart.blogspot.com/2009/06/big-sully-talks-bockers.html

  • Yusuf J

    first of all rick rubio is not a half court point guard, if they wanted a half-court specialist they should of hired isiah thomas as coach and drafted eddie curry’s resurection.

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