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Thursday, June 25th, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  136 responses

The Shaq Effect in Cleveland

by Marcel Mutoni

For David Stern and the League, there absolutely couldn’t be a better scenario. On the eve of one of the lamest drafts ever, Cleveland and Phoenix have just pulled off a huge trade, potentially setting up two of the biggest television spectacles of all time for the NBA: Christmas Day (this is sort of inevitable, isn’t it?) and perhaps the 2010 NBA Finals against Kobe and the Lakeshow.

Before the latter can happen, though, a lot has to go right for the Cavs. Their super-duper stars have to co-exist, and O’Neal must accept that this is LBJ’s show — Shaq, set to earn $20 mil in the last year of his current deal, is but a member of the LeBronnaires now.

The Plain Dealer breaks down how this changes the Cavs’ makeup:

Shaq will now be the Cavs starting center, which means for the first time in a decade Zydrunas Ilgauskas will move out of that role and come off the bench.

The Cavs are not done. They still are going to be looking for a wing defender (or two) and I think also a stretch power forward, aka a player who can go out to the 3-point line. This is why I believe they will still consider signing Rasheed Wallace with their mid-level exception. You need to surround Shaq with shooters and stretch the floor, just like you do with LeBron.

Defensively there is a bigger question mark. There is no doubt that Shaq is a worse pick-and-roll defender than Z is at this point in their careers. But he’s also a lot bigger and takes up more space. He can also be counted on to defend a player like Dwight Howard 1-on-1.

Lots to think about.

The Cavs know LeBron is desperate to win a title next season before he becomes an unrestricted free agent; they’re even more desperate to keep him happy. This should do the trick … maybe. Either way, they will undoubtedly be the most fascinating team to watch next season.

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  • jj

    wow. if this happens and the cavs get rasheed wallace they will go alll the way

  • http://dsfkl.com Jukai

    F the Cavs.

  • Roberto

    I hope the Cavs learn how to shoot more consistently, cause Shaq is going to be taking a lot of space inside on offense and less room to drive.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    The Big Cav-tus

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    And Big Z will do good comming of the bench. His knees are so bad, a little rest would be good for him. But he and Shaq’s games contrast so much that Shaq could play center and Z could play Power Forward.

  • http://ballislife.com Moose

    This should be very, very interesting.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Marcel with 40% less Laker-bias in an article?! I appreciate it, brotha.
    2009-2010 season = GONG SHOW.

  • http://mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    That frontcourt in Cleveland will be so tall and old, they should be called the Redwood Forest

  • http://twofistedpress.com Pve84

    Yeah, I was thinking the same. Z seems more than capable of spending some time at forward. I think this will be…interesting.

  • http://theghostofroyhobbs.blogspot.com Mo Charlo

    I’m so happy I’m going to take the day off work. I couldn’t possibly be productive on a day like this.

  • iLL wiLL

    What’s a Shaq?

  • http://theghostofroyhobbs.blogspot.com Mo Charlo

    Regardless of if it makes sense on paper and is an utter disaster on the court, it’ll be fun as heck.

  • http://allanzuss@yahoo.com Mendel

    Lakers in 6

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    gay

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    ^ I can’t wait till the summer’s over and these idiot’s go back to school.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    shaq + Bron = 2 birds, 1 stone for Kobe.

  • http://ballislife.com Moose

    Thanks a lot, Eboy. : )

  • http://theghostofroyhobbs.blogspot.com Mo Charlo

    They’re instantly the best-dancing duo in the NBA.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/users/42594-Hoops4life- Overtime

    Sternbot’s smile is blinding me

  • http://lacuevacrosscountry.com Slick Nick Da Ruler

    Shaq FU = The Big Drew Carey

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I’d like to see the lakers beat the cavs in the finals.. Where would that put kobeon the top 50 list?

  • http://slamonline.com tina

    Imagine their opening now! Can’t wait for summer to be over.

  • http://slamonline.com tina

    Imagine the opening antics for Cleveland now! Can’t wait till summer’s over.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    1- They gave up two guys that weren’t going to play next year and got back an all-star center that shot 61% from the field last year.
    2- They don’t have to double anybody on the block now, not even Dwight.
    3- This doesn’t kill their future at all because he comes off the books next year. The cap room is still there for 2010.
    4- The Cavs never had a low post threat. You need a low post threat to win it all. (Yes, MJ was a low post threat, as well as a perimeter threat, he was threat as soon as he parked his car in the arena)
    5- Ferry is not done. They’ll get Sheed or Charlie V. They’ll get a wing. (Vince?)
    6- I’m happy.

  • Prison Mike

    Is LeBron still going to be in the dunk contest, or was that a ploy just to get MVP votes from the media.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    He prolly wouldn’t accept it but… shouldn’t Bron just be their PF? Is there a 4 out there that he can’t handle? It would be an automatic mismatch. No 4 in this league could stay in front of him and he wouldn’t give up anything on low post D or rebounding. Didn’t Larry spend a lot of time at the 4 as well?

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Your proposal of LeBron at the 4 is… interesting Z. I don’t think anyone would be able to handle him their either. One huge thing I don’t agree with though is the Cavs sudden shift to prepare themselves for Orlando. Didn’t they run into a major road block by crafting their team strictly for the Celtics last year? Just thinking out loud…

  • DS44

    How soon til Shaq starts hatin on lebron?

  • http://thesportsdiaryonline.blogspot.com Roy

    I knew Shaq will be coming to Cleveland. Get Sheed in the mix and the Cavs could end up in the Finals with Lakeshow next season. Make it happen Danny Ferry. :D

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If they get Rasheed, 2010 Cavs = 2004 Lakers.

  • http://thesportsdiaryonline.blogspot.com Roy

    I knew Shaq will be coming to Cleveland. Get Sheed in the mix and the Cavs could end up in the Finals with the Lakeshow next season. Make it happen Danny Ferry. :D

  • http://thesportsdiaryonline.blogspot.com Roy

    Z coming off the bench should keep him healthy for the Cavs. He’s going to give their 2nd unit frontline a boost.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Russ, which wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. That was a very good Lakers team that got killed in the Finals mostly because their two stars tried to one up each other on a possession to possession basis. The pecking order is very very clear in Cleveland.

  • http://thesportsdiaryonline.blogspot.com Roy

    Co-sign to Russ btw. :D

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Personally, I’d prefer Charlie V. to Sheed. I’m not even sure that Sheed still likes to play basketball at this point. Although the Bucks did free up a lot of money so maybe they can’t get him from the MLE anymore. They could also get Vince (I don’t know who else is really available at the wings right now) and play Bron at the 4 when it matters.

  • #6marjon

    it’ll be interesting it would have been fo sho with yao though wish they’d got him

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Will it be Z? Sigh…

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Will the pecking order being very clear that is. Shaq didn’t do it at first, but lo and behold he pulled his “Big Dog needs the Ball” routine in Phoenix, were ball movement was their namesake.

  • KOBESBESTFRIEND

    i wonder if shaq will shake kobe’s hand next year when they r swept by the lakeshow in the finals and ends his dubious career or be a lil girl like lbj!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Rasheed should be on a beach at this point in his career.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    I don’t get why people are wondering whether Shaq will be able to accept that it’s LeBron’s team or not. I mean: Didn’t he play second fiddle to Wade without a peep?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    T, Well…..at least until he got his ring he was quiet and a good addition to the locker room. If they can pull out a title win next season….Danny Ferry is a genius for a one year rental and a ring.

  • http://www.twahc.blogspot.com twahc

    is shaq still goin to promise he’ll get a champion in cleveland this time around?

    and where’s the trophy for suns.

    shaq better work his ass off this time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I didn’t even realize Shaq was in the last year of his deal. This trade looks better and better.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Eboy:
    Those Chris Quinn comments were out of line, but they weren’t because he had a beef with Wade over whose team it was, right?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    This will not end well for anyone involved.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Myles, it never ends well with Shaq. That’s also completely irrelevent. The move is made to win next year. He can trash the whole city of Cleveland on his way out after that. It’s a rental. Which didn’t cost anything in players or cap space. How can you NOT make that move?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    The Chris Quinn comments came when he left for the Suns….so it’s not applicable. I think he realized that he had no level palying field being paired with D-Wade and his (personally) good season in Phoenix with the team not making it into the playoffs should be motivation enough for him to play good soldier for one year……if he wins a ring with Bron(which is huge motivation to get past Kobe once more in ring count)it would be the ultimate way for his career to end in retirement as a winner and as a vital piece at his advanced age. I think the negativity everyone is throwing out is just fear that Lebron and the Cavs won’t be a Eastern Conference Finalist failure again and will give Lebron the legitimacy his detractors have been crowing about. I for one think the Cavs are the favorites in the East already…without another move. And they will make another one. So a 65 win team is building the troops to be even stronger? That’s pretty scary.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    Well to add on to Eboy’s comment, I remember Wade calling out Shaq on his work ethic to the media. Wade said what Kobe complained for years about verbatim, and was exemplified as a “Great Leader”. Not that he isn’t, but c’mon.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    So…..a one year rental of player and expiring contract…..if the Cavs win a title,then he retires…..how is that damaging to anyone invloved?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    A defensive oriented team that got killed by the Magic pick and roll trades for Shaq and becomes a Conference favorite? Okay.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jay……Wade’s comments came pretty close to the trade deadline that Shaq was dealt. It was being talked about from the time the Heat were swept by the Bulls in ’07 and Riley was just looking for the right team (deal) to make it happen. It started with Riley’s disgust on how things went south and then Shaq started complaining ’cause the team was underperforming….then when Dwyane got hurt that year….Shaq’s leaving meant little to the frnachise since the season was shot. Cleveland’s not locked into to any type of long-term commitment so this is gravy with just losing Ben and Sasha.

  • riggs

    if they get vince or charlie im not going to hate the cavs as much as i did last year.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    RUMOR ALERT: Ama’r”e’ to the Rockets?!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    They were also killed in the middle and the Lakers exposed the Magic for what they were…..a hot shooting team that got through a 6 game series with fabulous shooting and never found it again. Teams that rely on that type of shooting performance fall short….every time. Unless the Magic are the team waiting on ring delivery.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    The pick and roll hurt Cleveland. But the real problem was that not only could they not defend the pick and roll, but they also couldn’t handle Dwight in the post or on the boards. Shaq takes care of that.
    They need an athletic wing. I believe Trevor Ariza is available. He defends, he shoots and he doens’t have a big ego.
    What’s the problem?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Let me outline this once again.
    The Cavs gave up NOTHING to acquire Shaq. Ben Wallace, Sasha, a low pick and cash.
    They risk nothing in signing Shaq. Lebron will be a free agent no matter what and Shaq has only one year on his deal.
    So, are people really arguing that they would have refused to make a trade that risked NOTHING and gave you the potential to win a ring?
    This isn’t Iverson for Chauncey. There is no risk here.
    Somebody explain what it is that Cleveland is risking that is so horrible?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Myles. 1- Shaq’s pick n roll can not be worse than Z’s. That’s not possible. 2- They don’t have to double down on Dwight with Shaq. As the Lakers proved, Orlando is not nearly as dangerous when Dwight can be contained by single coverage. They beat the Cavs because of the wide open threes provided by the double teams. That’s not going to be there anymore. I just don’t know how anyone could argue that the Cavs didn’t improve by trading the corpses of Ben and Sasha for Shaq.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And does anybody know if Ariza and Odom are really free agents this year?

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    [Shaq] can also be counted on to defend a player like Dwight Howard 1-on-1.

    Wrong.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Myles:
    I don’t think they’re the favorites, but they HAVE to be better off than they were last year, right? Sure, they’ll get killed on pick and rolls, but at least they won’t have Big Z as their best post defender. No?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Shaq and Dwight would essentially cancel each other out in a 7 game series….that would be huge for the Cavs as compared to this year’s series.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Allenp:
    Yeah, they’re free agents. Why?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    How did everybody come up to the conclusion that Shaq couldn’t guard Dwight?! When has Dwight ever torched him? Perk held him to 15 ppg for god’s sake. I know that Shaq is very easy to hate (he gets on my nerves too) but lets slow down a little and remember that he put up 18-8 on 61% shooting in 30 mins last year. They got that production for two guys who weren’t going to play for them next year. GREAT trade.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    So, basketball Einsteins…..who are the favorites in the East then? The Magic….who really have no room to move to shake up the roster and may lose Hedo and will have a backcourt issue with Skip and Jameer, essentially remainig the same or the Celts and their band of merry men who will be looking to…..what…..figure out who to start….Steph or the suddenly doghouse bound Rondo? Or maybe you are all dazzled by the Carwford to Hawks move that essentially makes THEM the favorites? Please.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Check out the Cavs salaries for this year and next year here:
    http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm
    Now, with a straight face, tell me again this isn’t the best trade Danny Ferry has ever made in his career.
    Seriously, look at the flexibility they get, and they get SHAQ!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The people who are arguing that Shaq cannot guard Dwight in the post are not using recent history to make that comment.
    This must be based on prophecy of some sort.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy, your sarcasm is warranted.
    I wouldn’t immediately valut the Cavs into the top spot, only because we have to see how much Shaq has left now that he has to play back to backs and he’s away from the Phoenix trainers.
    Then again, I’ve always thought a lot of Shaq’s problem was lack of effort, so maybe that won’t be a big deal anyway.
    No matter what, if the Cavs get a decent swingman, they are right there in the hunt in the East. To argue anything else is asinine.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Well…..Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum did a fairly decent job of shutting him down for a series…so if either of those have the resume of Shaq….I’d like to see it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Allen…..it can be safely assumed that the team the Cavs had before the trade was still one of the three best teams in the East….so where does a move to sure up the middle (if not completley for the haters)cause them to be a) worse or b)not a step up in talent at the spot as well as a more balanced attack on offense and a slighlty better interior defense? I don’t get it either.

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    I agree with everything you’ve said Z. This was one of the best oves that Danny Ferry has ever made, and I don’t see any way that this doesn’t make them the favorites in the East next year.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    We are in agreement.
    However, you also said on the Top 50 post that the Clyde Drexler who balled with Hakeem was the same level of player as the versions of Kobe, Wade and Penny, who balled with Shaq.
    This was idiocy of the highest order and you must be verbally smited for it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Bullsh*t…….you said Nick Van Exel as one of the choices…..reread your post, don’t try me!

  • YEPinMAwhiteTEE

    LeBron can even help Shaq with his freethrows. Wait. Never mind.

  • http://www.sprint.com/pre dma

    Rafer Alston will be packaged with The-Best-Shooter-in-the-World-Redick.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Im not saying that it wasnt a good trade based on salary, I just dont think hes the missing piece to a title. Hes getting older everyday and its yet to be proven that he and Bron can share the paint effectively. I dont like the idea of retooling just to go back at the team that eliminated you. They admitted they retooled to beat Boston last year and they got beat by Orlando. Now theyre retooling to beat Orlando and….well, we’ll see. It just seems like the obvious thing to do against this team now is run. And run some more.

  • http://slamonline.com Jacob J

    Now they need to get rid of Zydrunas Ilgauskas because there is way too many people in the rotation now.

  • http://kingakai.com Alpha-bet

    I think LeBron is getting The Big Co-Signer (You need him to get approved for a title) a year of 2 too late.
    _
    I think the REAL difference is what the Cavs gonna do next to get a 2 or 3

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    If I did, my bad. Prime Nick Van Exel, versus Clyde two years before retirment? Who was better?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Myles:
    I agree with you. I don’t think Shaq is the missing piece to the title. But I think it’s a step in the right direction. Ferry should have done this in February.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    I checked the numbers. You’re right about Nick and Clyde. Clyde was probably better. I should have just kept it at Penny and Kobe.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Clyde was not some shell of a player in that title run, Allen, and Nick was never a premier guard in the league….always on the cusp but not quite dominant…..so I think Clyde would get the nod, slightly.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Allenp:
    Clyde Drexler. He retired early anyway.

  • bill breedley

    love it!!! its a lose lose situation for lebron. he wins next year and everyone will rant that he can’t not win it all without shaq. if he loses, everyone will rant that even with shaq he cant win it all.

    Dwight is going to stomp on shaq in the eastern conference playoffs to prove he is the real superman of the L

  • nba kid

    I’d say keep z then play him at pf when the cavs play la in the finals. that’d be two ginormous front lines going at each other

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    1- The Cavs are not done dealing.
    2- Run more than when they had Z in the middle? Unless Shaq is actually slower than Z (which he’s not) that doesn’t make sense.
    3- Getting older or not, he was the third best center in the league last year.
    4- This is a great, no-risk deal basketball-wise and money-wise. They gave up nothing, nada. Yeah, it doesn’t guarantee a title. Nothing does. For anybody. LA is a not a sure thing to repeat even if they bring back everybody. But they got better. That’s undeniable.
    4- The re-tooling angle is overplayed. The Cavs improved from year to year, that’s it. They didn’t have a pg, they added Mo. They didn’t have a low block dude, they added Shaq. They need an athletic wing and a shooting 4, now. I’d actually like them to move up and snatch Sam Young. I think he’s ready to play à la Courtney Lee last year.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Run more against them*

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    How about Delonte for Haslem…..the Heat need a point….Haslem played great with Shaq and can hit that 15 foot shot? I don’t know if their deals match….but Haslem is the odd man out in Miami.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    They dont have many tradable assets on that roster and all they do have is a midlevel execption. Running against this team is still the primary option, which is all the point was. And on paper, they may not have given anything up, but as we all know with Shaq they may have given up something in team chemistry. And I dont like the idea of revising a roster just to combat another teams philosophy/strength. Develop one of your own. Act, not react.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    E: Meh. And where would Delonte play in MIA. At the 1? I’ve just realized that Anthony Parker is a FA this summer. That is EXACTLY what the Cavs need at the 2. He’ll defend, he’s tall, he’ll hit 3s at a 40% clip and he won’t try to do too much.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    1- Myles, no offense but that act and not react thing is just talk. Let’s say they don’t make a move for Shaq and Dwight gives them the business again next year in the playoffs. You, and every other sports journalist in North America, would call for Ferry’s head saying that he didn’t make the proper adjustment. Everyone knows the Cavs didn’t have a low post threat or a 1vs1 low post defender. They addressed that. Now the priority would be a wing with some size and, if something is left, a shooting 4. 2- They have tradeable assets because Gilbert doesn’t give a eff about the cap. Wally expires now and Z expires next year. Teams are broke and are willing to shed salaries. When you’re a buyer, you’ll find sellers. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Nets gave up Vince for cap relief.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I dont think its just talk, look at every other elite team in the league. They have a core group and a solid identity. The Cavs keep making moves and havent established an identity aside from defense, which is not exactly helped by Shaqs presence. As the season progressed last year, the Cavs offense devolved from Bron moving without the ball into the same stagnant 1-4 set. I just dont think a team can establish an identity by consistently reacting to who they lost to rather than who they should be. And I really dont know about Vince Carter and Shaq around Bron. All of them need the ball to be effective.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Myles:
    I don’t like the idea of revising your roster just to get by Orlando either. I don’t think Orlando will be there anyway. They need to worry about Boston imo. But the thing is: Could they have turned Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, the 46th pick and 500k into something better than Shaq? Or are you saying they should have kept those pieces because NOT getting Shaq is just better than getting Shaq. Because while I see how you get weaker in some areas with Shaq’s arrival, I just don’t see how it makes you weaker OVERALL. Because obviously you weren’t going anywhere without what you had.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    * You weren’t going anywhere WITH what you had.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Whether it’s done for Orlando or for the Washington Generals. Every time you can trade Shaq for Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic. You do it. Unless Kobe plays on your team.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Villanueva campaigning for himself on Twitter: ‘well, twitterland like I said there will be more trades to come, very interesting, Shaq to Cleveland, nice, all Cleveland need is a PF now’

  • donovan

    Does anyone think this is a lot different from pairing Shaq with Penny, Wade or Kobe?

    LeBron’s game is bulling his way into the key. How’s that going to work with Shaq clogging the lane?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    The onus is on Cleveland to give Bron what he needs going into the summer. Renting Shaq for a year is not the answer. Getting him doesnt make the team any worse overall in theory, but it doenst make them that much better in my opinion either. Its a lateral move at best. And even under the best case scenario in which they win a title, that guarantees nothing considering that the team would need to be retooled all over again and Bron could still bounce. That team needs stability and an identity, not a revolving door of players. Of course this is looking ahead, but what happens if this trade doesnt work? At what point do you have to consider trading……..someone else? While you can still get something for him.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    What was the Pau trade if not a reaction? The Bynum pick in the draft?
    The Bulls reacted when they went out and traded Oakley for Cartwright.
    The Lakers reacted when they went and go Phil to coach Shaq and Kobe.
    The League is about adjustments. That’s what the Spurs.
    Shaq is a flawed player and human being, but he is only there for ONE YEAR.
    If Ferry does nothing, and they lose again, he is screwed. At least with this he had a fighting chance and they aren’t screwed long term. It makes sense.
    Isn’t Wally coming off the books? They have money to spend on free agents. They may pay some luxury tax, but sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The Cavs can’t truly stop Lebron from bouncing without winning a ring.
    With the team before the trade, that did not look like it was happening.
    My homeboy says the NBA is all about math. He rates every player on a scale of 1-5 with ones being your franchise dudes. You have to have the right combination of players to match up with the other teams talent.
    Before the trade, the Cavs second best player was a 3, Mo Williams. A
    Now, they have Lebron, a 1, a 2, Shaq,, two threes and some role players.
    That’s good math right there.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Myles: 1- How can this be a lateral move?! Shaq for Ben and Sasha. I repeat: Shaq for Ben and freaking Sasha. 2- Bron can ALWAYS bounce. That’s why we call it free agency. The move was made to win next year without jeopardizing their cap. They can still sign Bron and another superstar next summer. That was the plan then, it’s still the plan now 3- No moves can guarantee a ‘ship. That’s why they play the games. 4- Are you really suggesting that they should trade Bron before he hits free agency? I’m going to ask this as respectfully as I can. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREAKING MIND??!?!?!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I understand that other teams make moves, but they make moves that align with their philosophy. The Cavs have no philosophy, they seem to just be grasping at straws. What is this teams identity? And Im not saying that they should trade him now, but the clock is ticking, the pressure is mounting and while they may not do it, its certainly going to cross their mind at some point if things arent looking good.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    And trading the players in question isnt a lateral move, but looking at presently constituted team as opposed to the team we just saw in May, I dont see anything closer to championship team. And that is the goal, no?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why would another team give Cleveland a bunch of good players for Lebron when they have no guarantee that he would resign?
    Who makes that trade?
    And, if Cleveland is not getting back bonafide studs, why trade Lebron?
    I can’t see it Myles.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    Last year, they were two players away. And they won 60 games.
    Right now, they are one decent swingman away from being the best team in their conference on paper.
    True or false.

  • trick..

    IF they get a ring.. shaq would be all like ‘lebron couldnt get a ring without me’ and we’re back to the beginning again..

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    What is LA’s identity? How did it change when they traded for Pau? Eff that identity rethoric, the point is to get better and work on your weaknesses. San Antonio needed athleticism on the wings, they went and got that. Cleveland had issues to addrees on the block, they went and did that. / Myles, if you don’t see how having an actual low post threat who they can dump the ball to and who’s also able to defend 1vs1 against the post (therefore cutting down on the open 3s that Cleveland gave away) brings them closer to a championship… then there’s really no point in debating this. What you WOULDN’T have traded Ben and Sasha for Shaq if you were Danny Ferry? Please.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I understand that the other team would have leverage, Im just saying that its a consideration to take if theres a growing suspicion that Bron may leave, in which case theyd get nothing. Its not a certainty, just something to be considered, even if only for a minute. As to your other question, I dunno, maybe. Depends on the moves Boston and Orlando make. Boston still has one good run left in them and Orlando is still matchup hell for them. Itll be interesting.

  • http://lamarcusaldridge.com Dean[The Best]

    two words: Holy Sh!t

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    LA’s identity is in the triangle, no matter how much or less often they run it. Bostons identity is in defense, KG or no KG. Orlandos identity is in their shooters and D12′s defense, Jameer or no Jameer. Clevelands identity is to hope that Bron can do absolutely everything. I havent said once that I wouldnt make that trade, I have said that its not the missing piece to a title. Well see.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Myles is just talking now. Seriously. I stopped reading after he suggested that they should maybe consider trading Bron. It’s not worth considering. Not even for a minute. Get real. What would be equal trade value?! Kobe?! If they can’t re-sign him might as well throw a max deal at another FA. What do they gain by trading him before he hits free agency? Absurd.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    You are being a little specious in your arguments.
    Cleveland has an identity, it’s defense. Mike Brown built the team defensively like the Spurs. I remember you arguing not to long ago that folks were giving Lebron too much credit for “carrying” the Cavs because they were undersestimating how great a defensive team Cleveland had. So, their identity begins and ends with defense.
    That said, their defense was killed by Orlando. People point to the pick and roll, and that was a problem.
    But, in my opinion that bigger problem was that they had to double team Dwight Howard, which gave Orlando great looks and messed up the Cav’s rotation. Dwight struggled against every team that single covered him. And all of those series were close. The Cavs doubled him, and they got rocked.
    I understand your concern with the trade and they are valid concerns given Shaq’s history. There is no guarantee that this will work out and Lebron may get pissed.
    But, staying pat was not an option, and I really dont’ see another trade the Cavs could have made that would have worked like this one.
    The traded two Nothing players, for a starting center and they didn’t sacrifice any cap space to do that.
    How could they NOT make this trade?
    Anyway, I doubt we will come to a meeting of the minds on this, so it’s silly to keep going back and forth.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I cant say enough that Im fine with the trade in terms of talent and cap space. Do it, why the hell not? But I get skeptical when rings are being discussed. And the Lakers were stuck between the same rock and a hard place two years ago. Granted ‘his’ videotaped tirades and radio appaearances had much to do with it and I doubt Bron would do something like that. But an unhappy player is still an unhappy player and were it not for ‘his’ no trade clause hed be a Bull or a Maverick right now. Its a player with no equal trade value and the Lakers almost bent to his will because they were afraid that he wouldnt resign and they had to get something for him. Bron doesnt have to go public for Cleveland to get the same feeling. Now whether it actually happens is another matter entirely.

  • Peter

    LA’s identity is the triangle around Kobe Bryant. I think Myles’ point is having a system in place and fit players into that system. Their identity didn’t change with Pau, they were doing the same things with Chris Mihm in the middle as they are now, he is obviously just a hell of a lot more productive. Same can be said for Phoenix…they built a team around the run and gun style and when they got rid of D’Antoni and tried to change their identity it was a failure. That said, I think this is a good move for Cleveland, at least for this coming season. There’s no way it makes them worse. And who knows what the diesel will bring. One things for sure he certainly has a knack for getting traded to teams with legendary wing players.

  • Josh D

    Wow. Next yearis going to be awesome with the Lakers,Cavs,Spurs and Magic all competing for a ring and if the Spurs or Cavs go for Sheed, even better.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    You know from reading your post just now Allen, I have to say that they may have been the most intelligent post concerning this topic yet. I’m a little puzzled by many’s sudden shouting of Cavs for the finals.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I know how it affected Michael Jackson…

  • Prison Mike

    ^Inappropriate, although it did make me laugh. So, when is slam gonna post about Vince going to the Magic for Skip?

  • http://nbainchina.com NBA China

    Shaq will have now played with Wade, Kobe and LeBron. Both Wade and Kobe got a ring playing with him, can LeBron match it?

  • Rnz

    Z : 4- The Cavs never had a low post threat. You need a low post threat to win it all. (Yes, MJ was a low post threat, as well as a perimeter threat, he was threat as soon as he parked his car in the arena)
    LOL…couldnt have agree more

  • breont williams

    personally i like amare and turkgolu or tyson chandler and rasheed. shaq will help but them other choke artists, dont bet on them.

  • breont williams

    orlando will never ever shoot like again. what 23% against the lakers. boston is done!
    shaq and bron will get their rings
    shaq will ride off into the sunset the 3rd best center ever
    lamar odom and rasheed wallace will join cleveland in 09/10 NBA evolution!
    ya heard it hear 1st!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Come on down to Cleveland town everyone,
    Come and look at both of our buildings,
    Get some food prepared by the street,
    Who knows you might even see this guy?

  • BigMoney

    I think you guys are forgetting Orlando… Check the other news on the wire…

  • aotearaw

    Wow, please stop digging Myles…Allenp is on point here.

  • doyouwantmore

    Let’s be honest. This is a media-saturated society and the Lebron speculation is getting ridiculous. Let’s take a look at Lebreezy from a straight-up honest perspective.

    1. Ego: He’s a super-hero in Ohio, his hometown, regardless of who he plays for. In a global society one city means nothing and Lebron is looking to be a global icon. The local-hero instinct has been pacified. He would be a global hero if he played for the Mercury.

    2. Dough: Lebron wants money. He’s been pretty clear about that. He’s spoken as much, if not more about being a ‘global icon’ as he has about winning a ring. Let’s face it. Lebron assumes he’s going to win chips. Bye bye Ohio.

    3. Lebron has taken a once-in-a-generation talent and turned it into first douchebaggery.

    4. Kobe is the result of the ‘who’s going to be the next Jordan?’ phenomenon and nothing more.

    5. Carmelo Anthony is somewhere between superstardom and obscurity.

    6. Chauncey Billups deserves a couple of Steve Nash’s MVP awards.

  • riggs

    @doyouwantmore: i want more posts from you in the future.

  • JP

    i agree with what some of the people said on their comment, that SHAQ is gonna clog the paint and limit LeBron’s drive. like what Z said, LeBron can play for since he’s big and strong enough, plus no one can keep up with him since he’s just gonna blow by ‘em! and if they really are lookin’ for a four then they should go with CV31 since he has shown interest to play in cleveland. sheed is too old already and his attitude is too much of a problem! plus they need another back court defender who can help LeBron out. Delonte West was the second best defender on team last year. i would lyk to see Danny Ferry go after Ron Artest!

  • http://http//www.youtube.com The Promise

    doyouwantmore has some good points there. I feel like Cleveland will be a better team next year, no doubt, but I dont think they will be good enough to beat Boston with a healthy Garnett, unless they get Rasheed. That is the missing piece. You put his scoring abilty with Shaq’s dominating presense in the post together, you have one heck of a team. It would be difficult for any team to beat that. Orlando will be even better if they find a way to keep Hedo. Regardless, the NBA will be really fun to watch next year. You have alot of up and coming teams, then you have the big time teams. L.A. is still the team to beat, but there will be alot of teams that are hot on their trail.

  • Ralph ‘chaps’ Rodriguez

    Lebron is at the front of line in wanting his ring he can’t assume anything he sort of like kobe was before winning it all without shaq..lebron is a young stud still and time is on his side but if doesn’t get his in ’10 more likely than not he gonna bail.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/06/the-shaq-effect-in-cleveland/ lebron james

    go the cavs you have a great team they will go all the way this season L23 you are legandary :) :) :):):):):):)

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/06/the-shaq-effect-in-cleveland/ lebron james

    Go the cavs, they will go all the way this season,lebron james you are legandary :)
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  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/06/the-shaq-effect-in-cleveland/ lebron james

    shaq in the team,…….
    rock on:):):):):)

  • nkscouting

    Neither Rasheed Wallace, Shaquille O’Neal, nor Zydrunas Ilgauskas can guard Dwight Howard. So none of them are the answer! They’re all too old, for one thing.

    Not sure if this even makes Cleveland a better team: maybe a little better, but then the chemistry will be different, especially if they add Rasheed Wallace.

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