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Wednesday, July 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  152 responses

Steve Nash Won’t Win a Title in PHX, and That’s OK?

by Marcel Mutoni

Much has been said and written about Steve Nash’s recent two-year extension ($22 million) with the Phoenix Suns, a virtual parting gift for the former two-time MVP. The gist of much of the chatter is this: Appreciate Nash for what he once was — and ultimately, what he helped transform the Suns into — not what he is now or is going to become over the next two years.

Suns management and some members of the press expect the fans to buy into this, and get rather defensive when paying customers have the gall to question the decision. For instance, this piece in the Arizona Republic:

Go ahead. Tear down Steve Nash. Pick apart his defense. Question his value. Show your ignorance to the rest of the basketball world…Now, many fans seem to think he’s overpaid, overrated and a bad investment for a team with zero chance to win a championship in the near future. Some even call him a liability. These are the same people who drove Mike D’Antoni to the brink of insanity.

Bash Nash, if you must. Like everyone else, he gets burned by the best point guards in the league. But he takes more charges than anyone in the building. His dedication to training and team-building are unquestioned, maybe unparalleled. Meanwhile, his performance clearly was hampered last season by the demands of Shaquille O’Neal, and the awkward attempts to implement a new system. But just like Kurt Warner, Nash can work magic in the right system, with the right group of guys. And in one of their darker hours, the Suns now are in the hands of two great sportsmen, two men who sated their egos a long time ago.

With Nash and Grant Hill, there could be no better duo to mentor and shape a new era of Suns basketball. For that, Valley fans should feel lucky. It could be a lot worse.

Awesome. There’s nothing a fanbase wants to hear more than “it could be a lot worse” when heading into a new season.

$22 million is a lot of money for a player whose best days are well behind him, especially if it’s largely to mentor the younger cats (hey, Goran Dragic, you awake?)

This is your new (and depressing) reality, Suns fans. But not to worry, there are plenty of games on ESPN Classic for you to watch, when your team used to be good.

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  • Ck

    nash’s complete lack of defense is the only reason they never won a title.

  • T Money

    Rather harsh, Mutoni.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Gimme a drink bartender… something strong…

  • http://gmail dirty frank

    With a healthy Amare and a full season with J Rich are they really gonna be so bad?

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    I mean, twenty two million is ludicrously cheap if you think about it. If Nash left, no one would go to see anymore Suns games. He’s there though, so now the arena will be filled to the brink at every game. That’s what Nash is. A f*cking business piece to these c*cks*ckers that have a f*cking history of trading away every damn fitting piece for next to f*cking nothing.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    When your argument FOR something is not really solid, it’s a nice tactic to argue AGAINST a nameless, hypothetical hater. Tell it like it is, PHX… they didn’t re-up him for basketball reasons and he didn’t re-up for basketball reasons. People in PHX would have burned down Kerr’s house if he would have let Nash go and nobody else was giving him 11 mil per. Perfect fit!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Juks, Nash is a f-cking businessman as well, don’t get it twisted. He ditched Dallas for PHX for one reason and one reason only. The team wasn’t better at that time and the weather wasn’t nicer. He’s re-upping now for that same reason: moolah. Anybody that comes regularly on this site knows that I never say anything bad against an athlete that wants to get paid but let’s not pretend it’s something else.

  • http://www.kaycephotography.com/ Kevin

    i can’t find myself disliking Nash.. on any level. great guy off the court, and in terms of basketball: never had the most amazing foot speed or strength so he got abused on the defensive end.. but he takes charges to boot, he’s a terrific teammate and he’s an amazing offensive player. that said, i can’t see how the Suns can realistically contend unless they pull off a Lakers/Grizzlies type of deal and land a superstar out of the blue..

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    The corpse of Steve Nash to the Knicks in 2011?

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Z: He ditched Dallas for twice the money and he’s reupping for twice the money. I’m sure he wont deny it, although he’ll throw in things like ‘comfort’ and ‘family’ in there too. It’s far more excusable to me than a team that has buttf*cked its fan based with mindless money saving trades to lie to our faces about the reasons for resigning their only likeable star (unless you’re an Alando Tucker fan).

  • winfis

    As a Suns Fan, I must say this season doesn’t look good… But it doesn’t look that bad, either. If Amare and J-Rich are healthy enough to play all the season, there’s still hope.

  • http://theghostofroyhobbs.blogspot.com Mo Charlo

    Anytime a comparison to Kurt Warner pops up, it’s time to start slitting wrists.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    Every team can’t be contenders to a title every year. So, as a fan, you want owners and management to put the best, most competitive team on the floor that you can manage to pay for. I don’t go to games expecting my team to win every one, but I do want to see a fun, intense, competitive game when I plunk down my 50 or 75 dollars. All that to say that I like the Nash signing, I ain’t mad at the $11 million per, and the Suns won’t win a championship but they still will be fun to watch.

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    Let’s not forget that Nash has won 2 MVPs since turning 30-years-old. I don’t think we’ll see a huge slip of his game over the life of this contract.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Jeff: wanna take bets on that?

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    11 mil a year for 16 points and ten assists a game AND a locker room leader. I don’t see the problem.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    I’d take that bet Jukai. His strong point isn’t defense but he’s still gonna be a wizard with the ball.Athleticism erodes over time , but his passing and shooting ability is going no where.

  • German Reignman

    you know, one would assume they would hire coaches for the “there could be no better duo to mentor” part, no ? and that would have been way cheaper than $22 million

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Bryan: If you don’t think a lot of what Nash did involved athleticism, you haven’t been watching Steve Nash. Sure, he wasn’t a fast sprinter and had very little upper body strength, but an explosive first step allowed him to go around defenders, quick motion changes allowed him to patrol the area without worrying about losing the ball, and let’s not forget that running up and down the floor like that takes a boat load of stamina. Just watching Nash last year, you saw he was trying to revert back to some of the moves he did in his Dallas days and it was failing him utterly.
    He’s not immortal. He doesn’t have another two years.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    I disagree.

  • nicko

    TRADE NASH FOR SHAQ!!!!!

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    And I respect your opinion, Bryan.
    Your wrong opinion ;)

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Bryan, if you don’t think that Nash’s change of pace/direction in crowded space and body-twisting lay ups over bigs involve A LOT of athleticism… you’re crazy. Just plain crazy. People need to stop acting like Nash is Jeff Hornacek! He LIVES in the paint with all his drive n kicks and layups/floaters. A Steve Nash that can’t get into the lane anymore will be very different won a Steve Nash that won one and a half MVP.

  • riggs

    nash to the knicks dammit i want a d’antoni reunion!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    It’s really a white/black thing when it comes to Nash’s athleticism. He has unbelievable core strength, a killer first step, outstanding stamina + he’s very coordinated/agile/flexible but ppl don’t want to acknowledge that for some reason. An athletic white point guard is not possible in basketball.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I don’t think he’s unathletic , but call me crazy if you want. I even said his athleticism will erode but his shooting ability and passing ability is going nowhere. That’s what I said. To clarify I don’t think steve nash isn’t going to be able to get in the lane anymore. I think he’s still going to get by people, I still think he’s going to put up 16 and 10 (15 and 8 at worst) and he’s still going to be effective at least for the next two years.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Z gets it.

  • cramzy

    I think people are underestimating Shaq’s impact in the suns fall from grace. With Amare as hnic in the post, hill and jrich on the wings, and nash pushing it up the floor, the suns are not that bad..right?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m sorry but did Steve Nash have THAT bad of a season last year?

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    Can you two assh*les even read? Show me where I said he has no athleticism. I said over time it erodes, so he’s getting less athletic. How he can get less athletic if he wasn’t athletic to begin with? You two are the king and queen of twisting what someone says to make some point that makes you seem like you know what you’re talking about all the while ignoring what was actually said. Way to go, you proved me wrong. Only not.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    There has never been an athletic white person in the NBA, Z!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Oh, and co-sign Shia.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    No TAD, he didn’t which is all I was trying to say. Thank God someone with sense showed up. I don’t think he lost much , he played in a crap system to start and got better as the year went on. Does anyone know that after the all star break he put up 18.7 points and 9.6 assists a game while hitting 54.8% of his shots and 47.3 percent of his threes. Terrible year, you’re right. STEVE NASH IS FINISHED. He will shoot 40% from the floor and average more turnovers than assists because that’s what happens when you have no athleticism , you also lose your ability to hit open jumpers and throw accurate passes. Thanks for the lesson, coach.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’m siding with Shia on this too, but I have no sense so………

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Bryan: for the record, I’m the king and Z is the queen.
    It’s great you acknowledge Steve is athletic, our argument is that his game is BASED around his athleticism more than you are letting on. You’re saying “he’s athletic but he doesn’t us it” which is a total lie: he couldnt’ cut around defenders meaning he couldn’t probe around the basket meaning he couldn’t use the entire floor to hit open cutters. He also wasn’t as fast on the break, he also is bouncing the ball too high because he’s having trouble moving around and keeping his bounce low, there’s A LOT OF THINGS that are effecting his athletism.
    And TAD: No, Nash had a pretty damn good season, ESPECIALLY when you look at his age. That being said, people are still going to wreck on him and say “Hey look Chris Paul is owning this dude who is 13 years his senior he must suck take away his MVPs!”
    But my beef with the article isn’t that Nash isn’t worth the money, more that the Suns are resigning him not for his basketball abilities to win a championship but to put butts in a seat… you know, what everyone was cursign Memphis and the Clippers for when they were thinking of signing AI? It makes things even worse when I remember the other horrible things the Suns did for more money.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    Oh yeah he played less minutes as the year wore on also. Like in the final month of the season when he averages 16 and 10 on 60 percent shooting including 58 percent from three. While playing just under 30 minutes a game. He sucks.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    *effected by his, not effecting his

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    Eboy! I thought I was alone. I’m a little crazy, I’m out of work and therefore bored to DEATH.

  • kobesbestfriend

    this is a 2-time mvp we’re talking about here…if u ask me he is underpaid!!!

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Am I saying he sucks or am I saying at 37 he wont be doing 15-10?? Well? Tell me, which one am I saying? Who is twisting now?

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    Just trying to keep up Jukai. I can exaggerate arguments to make them seem more plausible same as you and Z can.

  • dave

    with a starting lineup of
    NASH, JASON RICHARDSON, GRANT HILL, STAT, AND CHANNING FRYE
    guys coming off the bench like former 6th man of the year LEANDRO BARBOSA, and EARL CLARK who some said was one of the best of this years draft..

    your saying this team has 0 chance of winning a championship???
    with a full year under Alvin Gentry you guys are gonna be pretty suprised

  • http://slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/fear/ Freedom Fries

    Yeah it could be a lot worse – Shaq couldda stayed in PHX. It will BE a lot worse in CLE. T-minus how much until Bron demands a trade?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Steve Nash was a good player for four years and thats it. IF Dallas went to the Finals when he left with D.Harris as the point guard, that tells you alot about Nash. The Suns had quality teams for 3 years, but had excuses each year. If Steve could not do it with a great team, why would he do anything with a good team. Steve took the money to make more films with him and Baron Davis in the future. Both careers are over, so why not just be stepbrothers and take money as long as they can in the NBA.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    This could have all been a moot point if Kerr would have traded Nash to the Knicks for Chris Duhon and David Lee’s autograph.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/fear/ Freedom Fries

    In case anyone forgot their math – MOST / ALMOST ALL of the teams will win nothing. Not a chip, not a conference nada. You can dream like it will happen if ya want to, but that won’t make it so. Steve should finish his career in PHX and not pull a Mailman/Payton desperation move. Stay classy Steve.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Dave: Phoenix has a great chance of winning a championship. All they need is for Kobe, Garnett, Lebron James, Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, Carmello Anthony and Dirk Nowitzski to have season ending injuries, and then the championship is pretty much there for the taking dude!!!

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Freedom Fries: Payton has a ring and was, ironically, a valuable part of getting that ring. But yeah, totally desperate.

  • http://myspace.com/showbread Bryan

    HAHA@ the seed… If only the knicks management weren’t chronically inept eboy. It doesn’t matter what the name on the GM’s door says, it seems like they’re sharing a brain. We could have Jerry West as GM and Phil Jackson as coach and would still be terrible.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/fear/ Freedom Fries

    Jukai – scratch Glove, keep Mailman only (PS. blow me) m’kay? But Steve you stay classy

  • http://llllllll Superintendant (Mario) Chalmers

    Dude, Nash is just a white punk, if Andre Miller put up the numbers he did, the white elite media wouldn’t even be talking about him.

  • https://slamonline.com Allenp

    The pass Steve Nash gets from the mainstream media is freaking ridiculous. That is all.

  • https://slamonline.com Allenp

    And, I’m not just talking about the defense thing, which is totally ridiculous.(When did getting charges make you a good defender? It makes you a flopper, most likely. How can excelling at one aspect of defense, make you a decent defender? Does that logic work for every player? Like say, Allen Iverson? I think not.)
    I’m saying that pass that everyone is giving Nash for getting his money right. Everybody is talking about loyalty and all that crap. Nah homie, Nash got more money from the Suns then anybody else was going to offer him in the current market. Period. He went for the dollars, not the ring. Same way he left Dallas for the money. That’s the real pass.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/fear/ Freedom Fries

    Allenp – Well I’m no mathhead but if any poor slob offered me a gazillion dollars for 2 years I can’t see how I’d say no either. And I prefer Nash when he plays soccer :-)

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Bryan: 1- your argument seemed to be that a loss of athletic ability wouldn’t hurt Nash’s game that much. I stongly disagree. 2- I’ve never said that he sucks, merely overrated, so that’s an argument b/n you and the proverbial, nameless haters. 3- eventually, his fg% will drop and his turnovers will increase BECAUSE he will lose a step. that’s inevitable. athleticism buys you time to make decisions on the court. 4- PHX will NOT be a good team next year. every guy on their starting 5 is a subpar defender at their position, in this stage of their career. Frye and STAT guarding the lane? Nash, JRich and GHill stopping penetration? Need I say more?

  • https://slamonline.com Allenp

    Z
    Good points.
    I want to be clear. Steve Nash is nice. But, why does he always seem to get the benefit of the doubt from the media? Sure, many fans have problems with him, but his reputation is largely protected by what appears to be media collusion. Unless all of them actually do have the same problem with seeing reality.

  • TC

    Wow, I cannot believe so many people just expect Nash to turn into Maloney in the next 2 years. Here is a guy who always stays in excellent shape and has been one of the greatest point guard in his generation, and people just think he would forget how to dribble after signing a new contract.

  • http://llllllll Superintendant (Mario) Chalmers

    Allenp:You so right,tht cracka should take up Golf. Don’t get me started on the racist media.

  • https://slamonline.com Allenp

    Freedom Fries
    I think Nash should get all the money he can get. Ain’t nothing wrong with getting money as a professional athlete. I always advocate for this. My problem wasn’t with his choice, it’s how his choice is being framed by the media. Compare it to the way other blatant money moves are framed, and think about it.
    Superintendent Chalmers
    Steve Nash is not a cracka. I would not call him one. I don’t have a problem with Nash. I have a problem with the blatant bias in the coverage of Nash. Media bias shapes the opinions of the public, which is a HUGE source of power.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Steve Nash is white and Obama is racist. That is all.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    I love it when dudes throwing around “cracker should take up golf” start acting self righteous about the self-perceived ‘racist’ media. Great!

  • http://llllllll Superintendant (Mario) Chalmers

    TADOne:I guess you one if dem birthers,white just cant help be racist,damn.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hi Superintendant! Since you seem to be new, that was dripping with sarcasm.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Why is it that the most ignorant idiot commenting on here is using one of my guys as their screename?

  • thatSUNSfan

    Just because someone doesn’t have a great vertical doesn’t mean they aren’t athletic. That’s the only knock I can see on Nash’s athleticsm. He has a very quick first step and is extremely quick and flexible. For ppl to say he is not at all athletic is just plain stupid!

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    TAD’s ability to both summarize and criticize a situation while simultaneously completely avoiding it is truly commendable.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Eboy: What do you mean by YOUR guys? Are they YOURS? Do they belong to you? Do everyone one of the Miami Heat outside of Chris Quinn just BELONG to you for some reason?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    It’s a gift. Now excuse me while I go sign up for the Glenn Beck Fan Club.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Hey TC, What’s Maloney? Karl Malone’s new brand of balogna(“baloney”)? Sorry, Farmer(Trucker/Hunter/Logger) Malone’s. Bigger guns than Jimmy Dean and twice the smack talk. And they’ll steal the Pace Picante(NYC) salsa steez—- This is great balogna, where’s it from…. “SALT LAKE CITAY?!”

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Also, I think this needs to be said: when I first got here, I thought Allenp really hated Steve Nash. He was utterly harsh, and at times seemed overly critical, ignoring Steve’s strong points for his obvious flaws.
    Now I’ve learned Allenp actually does have a deep rooted respect for Nash on a basketball level, he is just counteracting the media love that Nash gets. And that’s fine, and he’s right.
    I’d still choose Nash every day over KJ, but he’s right about every other thing.
    That is all.

  • http://llllllll Superintendant (Mario) Chalmers

    Wow take off the masks and y’all might be able to see the truth.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    SLAM is blessed with 2 great Allen/Alan P’s.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yes, “yours”, Jukai, like your “yours” are unable to ever be looked upon as a credible threat to championship basketball.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Eboy: I think you missed my joke. How’s it going getting Odom and Boozer and preventing Wade from running to Cleveland or New York? Think throwing in HASLEM is gonna entice LA for a sign and trade?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I don’t care honestley. The plan was all about next season, no this one. So if neither of those guys fall into a roster slot, f*ck it. Boozer will be the easiest to sign next year regardless. As far as Haslem, if the Suns had a guy like him on their roster who possessed some backbone and a lesser skill level instead of high skill and little else, they may have been relevant once in their history. Sad they never did.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *not

  • Los

    @ Jukai. I would have to disagree with you on the Nash over KJ thing. I’ll take KJ in his prime over Nash in his prime anyday. he played both ends of the court

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Eboy: I love it when power forwards who like to take midrange jumpers over going into the paint have ‘backbones.’ Great.
    I love how ONE championship through a boatload of irrelevant years beats out how many times the Suns have been to the Finals and conference finals. Keep harping on the good old days Eboy, but question: will you buy the Cleveland jersey with Wade’s name on it when it’s released?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Do you want to compare division titles and conference finals appearances instead, dum dum? To be fair, since the old days provided a title for my sh*t squad and an embarrassing loss for yours, let’s try that criteria instead.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    At one point I thought Nash would always play around his two MVP years but age is creeping on him. His second MVP year was when he was just going insane and looking like the best point guard in the L minus his defense. Steve knows he’s not going to win a title in PHX but I would love to see him get one before it’s all said and done. Maybe after these two years are up he can sign a little deal with a more well rounded team and see where that takes him. play wit it.

  • Anony Mous

    I don’t see why people don’t think the Suns can good next year. If they run a lineup of Amare, Frye, J-Rich, Barbosa and Nash, I can see ‘em winning 40-45 games. Forget last year, that was a mess. I think all the rumors that floated around really hurt their chemistry, and also the coaching switch. Unless those things happen again (which they could I guess) this is a 40 or more win team. Problem is it’s still gonna take 45 to get in.

  • PJ

    why is everyone hating on nash for staying in phx? ever hear of loyalty? people would probably hate on him if he went to a good squad and tried to piggyback for a ring. this is not a story in my opinion

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    Eboy: I’m sure you love that criteria, considering the refs were on the side of Wade and not the mob. And who says dum-dum anymore? What’re you, thirty?
    Oh wait…

  • Fernando S

    Hey “Marcel”, dont you got something better to do or someone else to hate on? It aint that bad nore will it be, so shut it…. HATER!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    No, I just didn’t want to call you an ignorant jerkoff because, you know, that would be too close to reality.

  • http://llllllll Superintendant (Mario) Chalmers

    NASH GO PLAY SOME LACROSS WITH THE REST OF UR UNATHLETIC KID!!!!!!!!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Refs aside, wade balled like someone was holding his kid hostage in the finals against the mavs. play wit it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    The Hornets are close to signing Ike Diogu, which surprised me because I wasn’t aware he was still in the NBA.

  • dunkbar

    i would love to revisite some of the discussions being held here a couple of months into the season … that would be fun. “discussion remix” … make it happen, SLAM!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Ike diogu, i tried to like him because SLAM put him on the rookie diary but dude got injured and he just never really got adjusted to the L like everybody thought he would. play wit it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Breaking News: Charlotte Bobcats, and the L.A. Lakers are joining forces. Both G.M.’s have agreed to become one team. The new location of the stadium will be in L.A. In the same building as the Staples Centre. And the team will be called the Los Angeles Lakers(cats). The team will consist of the top players from both teams. That starting lineup will be Kobe, Pau, Derek, Bynum, and Ron. The bench will consist of Lamar, Wallace, Sasha, Brown, Powell, Adam Morrison, and DJ. Your new Los Angeles Lakers(cats)!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    I would argue that Raja Bell and Kurt Thomas are of the same mold as Haslem.
    The Suns had some hardworking cats, they just didn’t have those cats playing the right positions.
    Also, thank for the comments Jukai and Blinguo.
    Finally, I think the Heat and Suns have very similar team histories outside of that one ring that Wade won, not the refs. Lots of decent playoff runs between those two teams.
    I hate when everybody pretends that what D Wade did to the Mavs wasn’t duplicated the very next year by a lesser talent in Baron Davis. Maybe the problem wasn’t the refs, it was the Mav’s inability to defend high pick and roll, and their utter lack of toughness. Just maybe.

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    If you know anything about Haslem…and apparently Eboy does. Then you know that Haslem is one of the hardest working players in the league, and has always been more valuable to his team then people realize. If there is a category for power forwards with back bones, Haslem is on the list twice.

  • Chris

    D-mned if you do, d-mned if you don’t. If you re-up with your current team, you don’t care about winning, if you demand a trade, you’re a front running jock rider.

    Stay and get your money Steve.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Allen’s Baron/Wade comments is what fans of the game know about. Fans of stats and poor effort usually side with Jukai. Just saying.

  • http://adfji.com Jukai

    DP: I know Wade played beyond good, I was rooting for the Heat against the Mavericks. I was just busting Eboy’s balls.
    Rainman10: Read above and switch out ‘Wade’ with ‘Haslem.’

  • Izzo

    Let me be the first to say, hi Chuckaz.

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    Jukai, are the Suns your squad?

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Yessum, Rainman.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Izzo, did you miss the post a day or two ago where Chukaz pretexted his message with, “Not to be a hater but…”

  • Los

    If the Suns can play the Clippers for 60 of the 82 games, we’ll have a really good year. And I mean last years Clippers.

  • Zach Smart

    A killer first step, nose for the open man, the ability to shoot the rock at 50 percent clip while simultaneously making a concentrated effort to get his teammates involved..that’s what they’re getting from him….22 million seems a bit much, especially since it we do get the the notion that this is a memorable sendoff..Bottom line is the Suns don’t have cats they used to in 05 and 06, when nash was double trouble, to produce a winning formula. It’s too much of a piecemeal group without essential ingrediants that can lock and pop like raja bell…man even James Jones was a problem with Nashville pegging him with assist after assist

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I think that some might have misinterpreted what I was saying. GO GET THAT CASH MONEY, STEVE. There is nothing wrong with what Steve is doing and I would probably do this too. Let’s just not pretend that it’s about loyalty. Loyalty didn’t prevent him from going from DAL to PHX. I love Steve Nash and I’m proud that he’s Canadian (even though I think he p-ssied out of the last qualifying run for the Olympics) but I cringe when a financial move (on both ends!)is framed at something else. The end.

  • bike

    Nash has overcome all odds (white, unathletic, no hops, no explosive first step) to qualify as a HOF player. Worth every penny PHX is spending.

  • https://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bike
    In what world is being “white” a disadvantage? I mean besides prison.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Allen: I’m going out on a limb here and saying Bike was being sarcastic.

  • https://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    Nah, he’s not. I’m pretty sure. Previous dealings.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    So after our three hour conversation about how Nash is actually very athletic and has a VERY explosive first step, he comes out and says Nash is unathletic and has no first step?
    Dude, the timing of that would be so insane…

  • Duncan21

    eh, nash was good here to the valley of the sun but along with a constantly injured amare and lacking defense, that was their demise. they were the best when they still had their 3-poin shooters facing the spurs in those 7 game series, but lost to a tronger Spurs quad.

  • Izzo

    I can’t think of anything being worse than being an average to below average white NBA player, your existence is the butt of jokes. Well I can think of worse things, but you get the picture. Also, I have awful syntax.

  • https://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think Matt Harping has a pretty good life.
    So do Matt Carroll, Steve Blake, Jason Kapono and Kurt Hinrich.
    It’s only the lame white guys who get killed. People like Ghostface Pryzbilla and Nick Collison are living the dream.

  • Izzo

    I wouldn’t trade places with Spencer Hawes, not because he’s a bad player, I just would hate to be Spencer Hawes.

  • tavoris

    Nash earns his money simply because he ENTERTAINS (i.e., people will pay to see him play). All this talk about the Suns having legit championship aspirations is rubbish, but they will definitely be successful enough and entertaining enough to win games and keep their fans.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Anony Mous: You do need a bench, this isn’t infinite stamina mode on your PlaystationBox360. And not one of those 2 men benches that = disaster when that shadowy commish’s right hand man puts the hammer down on exactly 2 guys. I mean its pretty amazing they had a multitude of a roster in those 7 guys whom had talents for at least 2 positions, but you still need a couple solid glue guys as reserves – even if they’re one dimensional. Nash never had a serviceable backup point, for no reason ever noted. A Yuta here that didn’t get past summer league up to a Goran there now. Someone filling that hole could have been big. But the past tense of what would have put them over the top is a long revisionist lonely road for a Suns fan, long before Steve Kerr apparently “ruined everything.”

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    I guess multi-tooled roster, not a multitude of players on that roster. An okay backup center one year? Steven Hunter, yeah he was gone too. This Summer though keeping Barnes could have helped a little. That’s +1 to your team. But only one more offensive dynamo and a defensive hole (pardoning his rare shoulder tackles – sorry J “Flight” White).

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    That’s a very good point, Blinguo. They never reached for a decent back up for Nash. It’s unjustifiable. Well… they could have just kept Rondo.

  • Fernando S

    Hey Marcel, dont you got better stuff to do or write about then hating on Nash!? Get off his case, theirs worse happening and you choose this? HATER!!! tell your mom I said whats up…..

  • https://slamonline.com Allenp

    The endurance of “momma” jokes is really amazing. They are the Robert Parrish of insults..

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    And it really didn’t need to be an MVP calibur driver’s seat point (or one with not too far a step back in court vision from the starter) considering that team had everyone who could pass and handle it enough themselves, plus it was a 7 secs or less offense so you didn’t need to hold it around for positioning much in the games you were blowing people out. Playoffs of course different story, so an above avg. bigger guard for the Defense at least in theory. Pretty makeshift strategy and hard to watch Nash simply lie down on a towel supporting his neck for 2 minute stretches, even having to get back up for a timeout huddle quickly enough and such during other breaks in the action.

  • bike

    Jukai is correct. Was being sarcastic. My ‘previous dealings’ were with the issue of the much larger proportion of African Americans playing in the NBA. Long story. Point is, I never said ALL white NBA players are not athletic. Nash can run circles around 99 percent of point guards in the league, has phenomenal court vision and playmaking skills, and a brilliant b-ball mind. Not much of a leaper though…

    Allenp, just curious, how is being white in prison a disadvantage?

  • vmcb

    Wow, Marcel. That was pretty rough. As a Suns fan, I can’t even begin to explain how frustrated I am with the team and the decisions management has made. I would have loved to see Nash decline the extension and sign with a contender somewhere, but I’ve come to terms with reality. Has there ever been a team as star-crossed as the Suns? Joe Johnson breaks his face; Amare’s knees explode and eyes are gouged out; Nash breaks his nose at the worst time; Duncan hits an improbably three.. the list goes on. Not to mention Sarver’s inability to open up his wallet and actually sign his draft picks. Rondo/Deng/Fernadez would look pretty good in a Suns uni right about now. Wow, I’m sad.

  • https://slamonline.com Allenp

    Being a minority in a situation where other people use violence to establish dominance is a disadvantage.
    Kinda of like growing up black in…

  • Vaara

    I love how Allen turns EVERYTHING into a race debate. There are alterior racial motives in everything that everyone does you know…geez

  • Vaara

    aren’t*

  • http://phoenixsunsrising.blogspot.com/ Hersey

    This is an interesting subject but Marcel set the tone for a hatefest. Lame. Congrats the Lakers are good.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    This rooms got crazy-angry. I’m just dissapointed that I wasn’t here early enough to share….
    Steve Nash and Grant Hill will lead this team to a 57 win season. They’ll do it running. They’ll do it with Amare scoring 34ppg and Barbosa coming off the bench for his 17ppg. Nash will get his 15 and 10 but the single greatest advantage this squad has now, and I’ve said it before – Shaq is out of the locker room. He was the square peg in the round hole in PHX the last season and a half, and really was not a stable leader for Lopez and Amundson.
    Nash works out and eats more appropiately then anyone else in the league.
    He’ll be an allstar, he’ll be productive and he’ll be a winner.
    Steve Kerr….now thats the true issue here.

  • Quail

    he should play for the raptors before he retires. keep it Canadian. Amen?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    hmmm… Perhaps. One day.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    The Suns are not making the playoffs next season. Even without Yao, T-Mac, or Artest, the Rockets are better than Phoenix.

  • Josh D

    I’m a Spurs fan, and it makes me really happy to read this story

  • John

    Steve Nash is worth the whole 11 million.

  • Seven deuce

    The window shrank dramatically a couple seasons ago for the Suns and this season officially shut it. No offense, but by resigning Nash AND GHill, you’ve decided to go out with fan favorites filling the seats while hoping that the new young kids develop enough to keep optimism going. Business as usual.

  • pervysage

    yo, Nash can play till he’s 40 so whats all the hubbub? , besides i told myself long ago to never ever doubt the heart of a champi oh wait a minute, thats right, where am i? wrong forum.

  • https://slamonline.com Allenp

    Vaara
    That’s right homie, I introduced the topic of “race” into this discussion. Clearly your reading comprehension skills are top notch.
    Why don’t you actually go back and read the comments from the beginning and see when race was introduced into the conversation, and then check on what my initial comments were about. But, I doubt you will do that since you’ve created a nice fantasy in your mind and it would be painful to change that.

  • J Spice

    Steve Nash has done more with less than anyone who has stepped on this planet.

  • HushD

    CK got the first post but got it wrong. Another reason the Suns did not win a championship: Cheap Shot Bob.

  • eastwood

    I’m a suns fan. The season doesn’t look too bright but you gotta be optimistic. Who knows what will happen. I’ll just continue my loyalty to the Suns and support them no matter what!

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    …and Sternbot decided that the one and only time players were going to be suspended for standing up was when Diaw and Amare got out of their seats….there went the next two games.
    Meanwhile coming to 2007 AND 2008 the entire Celtics bench stood on the sidelines for the entire season and playoffs…
    ___
    Nash and PHX were straight-up robbed.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Yet, Stu Jackson gets less hate than Steve Kerr by Suns fans.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Stu Jackson…Stu is dead to me.

  • Amir

    ROBBED! that’s the WORD!

  • ab_40

    yeah he is the only back2back mvp who hasn’t won anything else… and he’s not one of the top 10 pg’s all time.

    thanks us media for making the most undeserving mvp award winner EVER.

    Look he’s a great player and I understand why players wanted to play with him but those days are over. he’s now another overpaid point guard on the decline.

  • mojack

    Let’s call this what it is. A double standard for white players. Why is Iverson still floating around and possibly has to come off the bench and Nash reups for 11 mil? Nash won MVP twice because of the highflying style of play and the fact that he is a white male playing in a majority black male dominated sport. It’s not his fault, it’s ours. There’s no way Nash should have got that much money. He’s never been to the Finals. There’s only one MVP(2-time no less) that hasn’t reached or won an NBA Finals in the past decade. Nash raise your hand. Dirk Nowitski made it to the Finals, so his MVP was deserved. That’s another overrated star. Dirk gets paid more than anybody on the roster and they still need leadership. No one questions Dirk’s leadership publicly, but they sign Kidd for leadership. He gets a pass too, he’s a “white” player in a Black male dominated sport.

  • Justin

    AllenP, your credability went down the drain when you asked how taking flops makes one a good defender. I guess guys like Scottie Pippen were horrid defenders too, taking all those charges. All you have to do to realize Steve Nash’s greatness is check the Suns’ record before he got there and after he got there, and also compare the winning percentages when he’s not in the lineup vs. when he is. Enough said. By the way, anyone remember how John Stockton played in his mid to late 30′s? That’s right, pretty damn good and so will Nash

  • http://nbacheapseats.blogspot.com Chendaddy

    Nash was never an athlete and never blew passed defenders with his speed or shut down opposing guards with his quickness. His court vision, passing, and unconscious shooting won’t be lost to age, so it’s an ignorant exaggeration to call him on the decline, assuming his balky back and stomach for taking Robert Sarver’s crap hold up. But this doesn’t make the Suns anywhere close to relevant unless they can pull off that Amare Stoudemire for The Farm trade with the Warriors. If they do that, I take back everything bad I’ve said about Steve Kerr. For one year.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    We gunna need a pretty decent farm for me to stop heaping on Kerr.

  • http://www.phxsuns.net SwingMan

    Enjoy being spoon-fed do you, Mutoni? What’s it like ot get a league-aided championship?…..And I’m still waiting for that 2007 Round 1 Game 5 Suns/Lakers recap…..Easy to be smug when everything’s given to you…..

  • JoeMaMa

    Steve Nash is the consummate professional. He’s great in the community, with the media, with the fans, with the coaches, and his teammates. He’s won two MVPs, and even if he shouldn’t have, he would’ve finished second and noone would’ve batted an eye. He made Phoenix instantly good, so it wasn’t like he took the Suns’ money and chilled out. He created a winning situation in Phoenix, just like he did in Dallas. Getting a two year extension at $11 mil/year is paying for great image, packed attendance, a competitive team, and grooming the next generation. Considering the money that BENCH PLAYERS ARE GETTING, this is a steal. Steve Nash made it possible to score tons of points and compete for a championship at the same time.

  • kevin K

    It’s Nash’s fault that Joe Johnson got hurt against the Spurs and the Phoenix management didnt/couldnt sigh him because the dumbass Hawks offered him a Franchise contract…

    It’s Nash’s fault that Amare has Microfracture knee surgery, misses a year, is still a beast, but clearly not a freak of an athlete he was pre-surgery..

    It’s Nash’s fault that Marion chokes and avgs 8 pts and 5 rpg in the playoffs against the Spurs…

    It’s Nash’s fault that Horry rammed him and the NBA suspends Amare and Diaw…

    It’s Nash’s fault that Tim Duncan hits the only 3 in the season in the playoffs…

    It’s all Nash’s fault.

  • kevin K

    @mojack

    why do you bring RACE into this argument you ignorant F*CK. I love AI, and I’m still baffled by the fact that he’s not signed but Nash is known to be a true team-first PG while AI is known as a ballhog.

  • Los

    @ Kevin K Joe Johnson has nothing to do with the contract offer from ATL. I know you were being sarcastic, but i believe Joe felt disrespected by the Suns and he told them not to match the offer.

  • http://drexlerwasabeast.com nbk

    all you people keep saying he packs the arena in phoenix. well idk about ya’ll but i actually go to games in phoenix and the second half of last season was the most empty our arena has been in prolly 10 years. Steve Nash signing an extension does not excite anyone around here. actually people are pretty f’in pissed that we are just giving up on winning this season. hopefully we can finish above .500. And nash giving up more points to opposing pg’s then he creates does not merit a 22million dollar extension

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