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Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 at 9:30 am  |  76 responses

Ricky Rubio’s ‘Problematic’ Buyout

The following quote will not exactly help the T-Wolves sell tickets: “I believe his representatives are working diligently to get a solution. I have no idea at this point whether a solution can be reached. But I believe we kind of know what the parameters are and I think that we have a chance,’ Kahn said Monday after announcing that Lakers assistant Kurt Rambis will be the team’s next head coach. ‘But I wouldn’t even begin to state the percentage toward that chance of this being accomplished this season versus next season or even two seasons. It’s still very problematic.”‘

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  • jay

    first

  • Ken

    As a Wizards fan, I’m increasingly feeling better about the trade. Rubio may end up being a great player, but the Wiz need to win while the Big 3 are still close their prime, and so Miller and Foye will help a lot more than having Rubio at this point (especially if we’d have to buy out his Juventut contract).

  • Maurice

    RUBIO IS NOT PHYSICALLY BUILT TO BE IN THE NBA. HE IS SKINNY AND WEAK THE ONLY THING HE CAN DO IS PASS. HE NEEDS TO PLAY D-LEAGUE BASKETBALL OR JUST STICK TO SUMMER LEAGUE

  • http://www.hoopsmanifesto.blogspot.com Jeff Fox

    Rubio’s contract & ridiculous buyout amount is proof that letting your parent’s be your agent is never a good idea.

  • Ben

    At 6’1 and 185 John Stockton wasn’t build to play in the NBA either.

    Sometimes, you have to look beyond the physical attributes and see if the guy can play basketball.

    I’m not saying that Rubio could have a Stockton like career, I’m just saying physique ain’t everything.

  • Captain Jean-Luc Picard

    Both the Wiz and Wolves win in the trade. Rubio will be an even better player in two years and age 20. The Wolves are not going anyplace soon. Randy and Mike get an opportunity to help Gil and crew climb.

  • danny

    Rubio will be a bust. Be glad the wiz didn’t pick him. Darko pre-nba average 12 pts 8rbds 2blks in 20 mins. Rubios averages sumwhere around 11pts 5as 2 steals in 20 min. Both poor backups, with little defense. BUST-

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Danny: I will once again, ask, WHY do you think the current Defensive Player of the Year for Spain has bad defense? Where is that logic COMING from?

  • Izzo

    God I hate people.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Izzo: I’m sure you and I both know where the logic is coming from. I just want someone to say it.

  • Izzo

    Rubio has not come out of this situation the best at all, I believe he made many mistakes. It was probably a bad idea having his parents handle his basketball related dealings, it was probably a bad idea sheltering him off from the media for so long so that all his pre draft interviews wouldn’t have been so excruciatinly awkward. Had he done everything the exact opposite way, it would have been better. But reading every comments section on any topic relating to him reminds me why I’m always likely to be on his side.

  • http://gmail dirty frank

    Why is Maurice yelling? I can think of a few players who were short and skinny but did pretty well in the league. Is Rubio really the defensive player of the year?

  • Coast

    @Ken
    Yeah, the trade seems like a good decision. The Wizards are better off these next few seasons having picked up Foye and Miller. I mean even if Gilbert struggles, his contract is huge so he’s unmovable. Going with established players was smart.

    @Izzo
    I partially agree. Only, I think he should have decided against entering the draft this season. It’s only made things a mess for him, regardless of who’s guidance he’s followed. And his parents’ advice has probably been pretty good so far seeing as he’s only 19.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It wasn’t problematic before he got drafted in the wrong slot.

  • Izzo

    Allen:There may not have been a ‘right’ slot.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    dirty frank: Yes, he lead the league in steals and was a lockdown one-on-one defender in the ACB, so he was the Defensive Player of the Year. Betcha didn’t know that with everyone shouting about how much his defense sucks, eh?

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Plus Rubio is a 6’4-6’5 point guard! That’s not freaking short!!! Yes, his frame is skinny, but man, where are these ‘short’ comments coming from?

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    I mean, I think Rubio deserves a lot of crap for ruining his draft situation. People should hate on him pretty hard for that.
    But why did Rubio suddenly shrink five inches and become a sucky defender?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    People are stupid. Thats probably why Izzo hates them. Though there was a ‘right slot’. For Rubio at least. If the Wolves wouldve drafed him third, hed have enough guaranteed money for his buyout. But why would they do that when they could have him cheaper AND get another player? As its been said, thems the breaks.

  • The D Train

    The Ricky hate on here is approaching Dirk-levels.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Preach on, Myles.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    The only problem with rubio is his jumper and he’s 18 so his jumper is going to get better.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Jukai, what they mean is that he’s not QUICK or ATHLETIC enough to keep up with most NBA point guards. There. Oh and his jump shot? It stanks.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I do love racially coded language. Hes not QUICK or ATHLETIC enough, but I bet hes plenty SMART right?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, on a note unrelated to his game, Ricky is pretty annoying, to say the least.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Myles, you’re just angry because Rubio might not get to play for the Wolves this season. I understand.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    He’s smart and a good team defender and plays the angles well myles.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I bet he doesnt ‘hear’ Jimi though.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ dirty frank: Maurice is yelling because this Rubio kid has been hyped up from day 1 and its getting kind of annoying because he has yet to play in a single NBA game. Oh and he kept whining about which teams he didn’t want to play for in the draft.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    While we’re at it, I’d also like to point out:
    Jose Calderon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ricky Rubio.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Bryan: He’s a great one-on-one defender.
    I understand people having doubts about him being able to be a “Bruce Bowen” type defender, since a) he’s not very quick and b) he defends in Europe, which gives him a bit more leeway to stay infront of his man since the zone prevents his defender from trying to run too far around him (and c) he’s white) but to say he’s going to be a bad defender is OUT OF THIS WORLD wrong.
    He’s larger than most points, has an even bigger armspan, insanely quick hands (the best in Europe– yeah, I went there), impressive lateral movement, and his court vision allows him to see the whole court and react a second faster– you know, something that some nobody scrub like Chris Paul does.
    But yeah, I mean, he’s gonna be a sucky defender.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Jukai , sarcasm. Don’t be braindead.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Sorry Bryan. This debate and the JR debate while working and simultaneously job searching has left me a bit, as you said, braindead.

  • Izzo

    He may not be much for jumping hurdles, but come tax time, you’ll be glad you drafted him.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Rubio is unathletic in the same way nash is unathletic. Meaning he’s not gonna boom it on nba big men in traffic but he’s plenty agile, fairly quick and very skilled with the basketball.

  • Izzo

    While he may not be very EXPLOSIVE, he is very CRAFTY.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And SLOW. And his jumpshot SUCKS. So THANKS for playing. Good DAY.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Dude Bryan, the reason Nash is so effective is not only because of his passing. He’s one of the best shooters of all time! Rubio is like a poor man’s Rondo… at JUMPSHOTS.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Its so funny how all these weekend warriors throw the athletic term at people. Meanwhile if anyone of us in here tried to get a jumper on mr non athlete rubio he would probably cram it down our throats. While beating us in a foot race and cone drill and any other measurable athletic drill. On the other hand the best athletes in the draft like gerald henderson, bj mullens and austin daye all had verticals lower than mine my sophomore year of high school. So what’s athletic and what isn’t?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Bryan, what the hell are you talking about? Who on this comment section is saying they’re more in shape than Ricky Rubio? We’re comparing him to NBA players. Obviously he’s less athletic than your average NBA player. And slower than a lot of NBA point guards. Whatever made you say something as random as that, you need to put it down.

  • Izzo

    Teddy: What makes him ‘obviously less athletic’ than NBA guards seeing as no evidence over the past three years of me watching him play has suggested that he is slow, unathletic or even of average athleticism?
    Oh, I forgot he’s a for’ner.

  • tavoris

    the disturbing thing is that he’s ALREADY become a distraction in Minny. I’m getting “Steve Francis” flashbacks right now. Funny that when he’s FINALLY in the NBA, he’s gonna be fighting to get minutes behind a fast-improving Johnny Flynn. Better stay in Europe and straighten out that J, Ricky

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Yeah he was completely outclassed in the olympics against some scrubs like jason kidd chris paul and deron williams.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Izzo & Bryan: It’s OBVIOUS! I mean, nbadraft mentioned he’s “not a stellar athlete” so that must mean he’s slower than most NBA players!!! As he said, ‘OBVIOUS!’

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Also, I’d once again point out that Rubio’s J is superior to Rondo’s, but how can I argue with a guy like Teddy, who has watched sooo many games for both of them, y’know?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    LMAO @ Myles 2:16 comment.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Izzo: I’m not white and I’m not from the South. And I don’t like how you’re poking fun at the way Southerners speak.
    Anyways, how is Rubio less athletic than most NBA point guards? Aaron Brooks. Tony Parker (a for’ner, if you will). Chris Paul. Deron Williams. TJ Ford. That answer your question?
    But WAIT! He’s a European Pistol Pete look alike who’s play has been overhyped from the get go. Even his play in the Olympics has been blown up. So yeah, he’s definitely going to be as good as Steve Nash. The Wolves definitely don’t regret drafting him, Izzo, despite him not wanting to play for Minny and the fact that his stupid contract buyout is STILL going on. Oh, not to mention they traded their freaking backcourt for him and drafted Johnny Flynn. Right you are, Izzy. How profound.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Teddy: I didn’t know Aaron Brooks, Tony parker, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and TJ Ford constituted as the “average” NBA player. So, tell me, who are the fastest NBA players?

  • tavoris

    I’d say TJ Ford is pretty average for NBA point guards…

    I don’t really think Rubio will have problems defending at the NBA level. Simply because most PG’s in the NBA are pretty sucky defenders as well. If he has help, he won’t get embarassed. My problem with Rubio is that I don’t get the impression that he’s GOOD enough to warrant the hype yet. If he was a high school player going to college, then it would make sense. However, his skill set seems better served in an arena where he’s gonna get to show it. Who is gonna b finishing his passes (other than Jefferson?). The closest contemporary I see to Rubio is Jason Williams….and JWill had the luxury of playing with some GREAT shooters and scorers in his prime. To be completely fair, I kinda feel the same way about Brandon Jennings too. More flair and hype than substance. Somehow, I feel that Johnny Flynn will be the full-time starters on their respective teams EVEN IF Rubio comes to the L this year.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Tavoris: Outside of scoring, what part of the game of basketball would you say Flynn is better than Rubio at?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I said most NBA point guards, Jukai. Shoot, an average player (right now) in a developing Nick Young has like 10 X the athleticism of Ricky Rubio.

  • Stephen Jackson

    whoa! apparently I’m Stephen Jackson, with an email of sjax@hotmail.com. but in reality, I’m vmcb.

  • vmcb

    The Rubio hate here is getting out of hand. I really find it hard to agree with anything that Teddy has been saying, as all he’s been doing is spouting out claims of unathletism and poor jumper. The part about his jumper is true, but the kid is younger than the majority of posters on this site. I really agree with Bryan’s assessment of Rubio’s athletism, though. Unathletic in the obvious way (ala booming on suckahs), but sneaky athletic with his quickness and body control.

  • danny

    Rubio is like 6’3 and can barely dunk. That’s where unathletic comes from. LOL. By the way, his defense isn’t stellar at all, getting steals isn’t the same as playing good d sorry say. He’s garbage.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign danny.
    Dude, vmcb, Rubio is NOT that quick.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Teddy: If you said “most” than you’re even dumber than I gave you credit for. Nick Young is an above average athlete and I would not say he is that much faster or stronger than Rubio. I will note that he only seems to have two sets of speed, making Rubio’s lateral motion and change of speed superior to Young’s. With that in mind, one could argue Rubio is a better athlete.
    But he’s white, so, you know…

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Danny: Rubio is 6’4 (and people say he appeared closer to 6’5 at the draft camp) and he’s been able to dunk since he was 15… I saw him do it watching U16 highlights.
    His defense IS insane, on the European level, hence the UNEXPLAINABLE ACB DPOY which you’ve yet to address. The question is, will his all-team defense translate to the NBA, which is debatable. Saying he’s a garbage defender shows that your IQ level is pretty much equal to the number of fingers and toes you have.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Jukai Posted: Aug.11 at 1:20 pm
    I mean, I think Rubio deserves a lot of crap for ruining his draft situation. People should hate on him pretty hard for that.
    But why did Rubio suddenly shrink five inches and become a sucky defender?
    ____
    People said the same things about Michael Beasley…
    O_o
    PING!

  • chintao

    “I personally had the opportunity to put Ricky through a workout, and I think….” Actually, nobody here has a true understanding of the guy’s athleticism or how he will fare in the L. We all have opinions on how good he will be based upon incomplete information and scant observation. Reviewing the arguments, I can’t see how one opinion here is more valid than another. That said, I believe that Ricky won’t be anything special IF he ever makes the jump to the NBA. I admit that I am taking the cheap way out. Based purely on odds, Ricky (or anyone else) being a superstar is a long shot.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Chintao: Could one say the same thing about Lebron or Kobe?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Jukai, saying Rubio is more athletic than Nick Young might be the most farfetched and exaggerated comment you’ve ever made in your life. Actually, its not. But pretty close. Something that dumb had to have been a joke. Tell me it was a joke..

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I mean, seriously, you must have been defending Detroit’s draft pick of Darko Milicic for like 2 years until you saw how much of a bust he was. Lol.

  • http://yahoo.com Logues

    jukai: did u really just compare rubio coming into the league to lebron coming into the league? cmon, brons talent was crazy, there was no doubt he was gonna be really good. i, being from minnesota, hope the twolves trade rubio, i think flynn will be better

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Teddy: First off, you think Allen Iverson was better than Stockton. And that’s all I really gotta say.
    Logues: Please read what Chintao said. His sole logic was that “most people don’t achieve stardom” and I said “well, if that’s your sole logic, then you probably would say Lebron wouldn’t be a star either.”
    Please read everything before responding.

  • http://yahoo.com Logues

    Jukai: well since he said “most people,” that does not mean everyone. and i think its dumb cause brons talent was unlike anyone elses, way better than most people, and even with what chintao said, if you didnt think bron was gonna be a star, well thats just stupid

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Logues: … do… do you really not understand why I said that?
    He meant most players wont be allstars, so statistically Rubio wont. I mean, it would be hard for me to explain this any other way.

  • http://yahoo.com Logues

    yes i understand. but if hes sayin that statiscally rubio wont be good, well then of course it goes for kobe and bron statiscally too. this really sucks to explain on the internet

  • Son of Shawn

    It would be great if only spoke those who really have seen this kid playin´ bball (twenty games or so), because I don´t give a f+ck for the opinions of those who only watched the Olimpics Final.
    A list of not very athletic players: Maravich, Bird, Stockton, Mark Jackson, Rip Hamilton, Alex English, Mullin, Reggie Miller, Billups, Cassell… as can you see, a bunch of losers (sarcasm), but hey! Gerald Green, Nate Rob and James White jump a lot.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    @ Myles: just because a statement fits a racial stereotype doesn’t make it untrue. Stockton was white and definitely unathletic by NBA standards and it is not racist to say so. Rubio is the same way. I am not Eboy btw.

  • tavoris

    Jukai…sory for being so late to respond, but I think the major part where Johnny Flynn is at an advantage is his LACK OF EGO. Rubio’s not wanting to play in Minny (a la Steve Francis) is gonna be a HUGE distraction. Imagine how the cornerstone of the team-Al Jefferson-probably feels about that. Rubio appears to already think he’s the future of the NBA, when in fact he’s not even the most important player on his TEAM.

  • tavoris

    Jukai…sory for being so late to respond, but I think the major part where Johnny Flynn is at an advantage is his LACK OF EGO. Rubio’s not wanting to play in Minny (a la Steve Francis) is gonna be a HUGE distraction. Imagine how the cornerstone of the team-Al Jefferson-probably feels about that. Rubio appears to already think he’s the future of the NBA, when in fact he’s not even the most important player on his TEAM.

  • tavoris

    Teddy, it isn’t even fair to put Nick Young in any discussion regarding athleticism, as he’s one of the more athletic 2 guards in the ENTIRE league (no endorsement on how good a player he is). Average athleticism would probably be described in a player like Danny Granger or Mike Miller or Beno Udrih or Anthony Carter.

  • chintao

    @ Jukai ==> Rubio’s talent seems more suspect Bron’s was at the time. Therefore, the stats may be more applicable to him. Kobe? I can’t really recall how it was for him. It may be an applicable comparison in terms of difficulty of quantifying talent. Still, I think you might agree that there’s somewhat more risk attached to Rubio. He has to make a cultural transition, as well as an adjustment to a different style of play.

  • caoneidaren

    I don’t know too much about NBA.But I like Rubio,and I will support him forever!

  • caoneidaren

    Support Rubio!

  • Pkike

    well, I don´t know why you don´t face the evidence that Rubio is, for now, one of the highest level european PG’s in Europe, I just wanna say that he, by the exception of Jose Manuel Calderon, is the starting PG in the Spanish Team ( the only one in history that scored more than 100 points to USA Team) and if most NBA players accept him as one of the, probably, best PG’s in the future, why don’t you think for a moment you’re wrong? I’m half Spaniard and half American and I think your problem, as I’ve seen there, is that you are always talking about jumping, athletism of players and all this stuff. Just check that BBall is more than that, you need to be smart, and to face your rivals whith experience. I bet all you there’s no 20 years old player in the Usa with half of the high level experience of Rubio. College? Why not being the most explosive PG in the ACB (that is considered the seconde best BBall league in the world)?

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