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Wednesday, August 5th, 2009 at 12:00 pm  |  34 responses

Joe Johnson and Hawks Talking Extension

Atlanta reportedly (and intelligently) doesn’t want Johnson on the free agent market anytime soon: “Multiple sources have confirmed that Hawks general manager Rick Sund is on an extended trip to the left coast, and part of his itinerary includes time in Los Angeles for face-to-face talks about a contract extension with Johnson’s camp (I mentioned this on Twitter late last night after hearing for sure that this was going on). A three-time All-Star, Johnson is heading into the final year of the five-year, $70 million deal he signed in August 2005 (which if traced back, you will realize was the rebirth of the franchise that has since made the playoffs in back-to-back years).”

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  • http://www.manutd.com z

    joe johnson is not a franchise player. i love him and he’s really smooth out there but you’re not winning anything significant if he’s your main guy out there.

  • tavoris

    Z, why not? The Hawks have a lot of holes on their team, but a brilliantly talented 2 guard that can masquerade as a above-average 1,3, and sometimes 4 seems like a franchise player to me. The Hawks are a lottery team without him (unless you put Brandon Roy, Kobe, Wade, or Lebron in his spot) and a playoff team with him.

  • Hussman25

    I beg to differ; the franchise has been totally different since JJ been there and have made the Hawks relevent in the “A” again… Lock him up for as long as possible… this dude is a STUD! All he needs is HELP… and for the core players to mature. GO Hawks!

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Z is right, Joe Johnson is star behind a superstar, he is a Pippen to a Jordan. Hawks will just barely make the playoffs his whole career in ATL and maybe make the second round one year.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    I disagree with all of you. JJ doesn’t like to be second fiddle (see: phoenix) but isn’t good enough to be top dog. That’s not good.

  • http://www.manutd.com z

    jj doesn’t need help, he needs to help someone. à la pau gasol.

  • Oli

    first, there’s not enough kobes/lebrons/wades/duncans out there for every team in the league to have one.
    second, jj is the best player the hawks will be able to keep/land in the next 5 years.
    so, what else are the hawks supposed to do but to keep him?!

  • Kevin K

    The MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE! He is in the class of Corey Maggette and Jason Richardson except he has the green light to do anything he wants since the Hawks are run by idiots and a middle school caliber coach. Shoot, I rather have Corey or Jason than this scrub. Name ONE “superstar”, “all-star”, or even a “star” who shoots more 3s than FTs at his position not named Ray Allen. This scrub doesn’t play defense, chokes in the playoffs, and plays softer than Dirk with his 6-7, 240 lb body frame. Overrated!

  • CDef015

    Kevin K you are ignorant beyond words. How did Maggette and Richardson do last year? Neither made the playoffs. Corey Maggette has trouble playing on winning teams. I understand Johnson isn’t the ideal number one option on a team, but you can’t say that garbage.

  • chingy

    I think JJ should be the Pippen to someone else’s Jordan; kind of like Pau is to Kobe…

  • http://www.sonicbids.com doyouwantmore

    Quotemonger translation of Kevin K and Z’s posts – “Joe Johnson is not a superstar! Joe Johnson has a boring name! He’s never been in a music video! I’d rather have Corey or Jason because one has been in a dunk contest and one has big muscles and a headband!”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’ll take Joe Johnson on my team 8 days a week.

  • JesseG

    KevinK: You are crazy to think Maggette and Richardson are as good as Joe Johnson. I’m a huge Suns fan and would kill to have Johnson back on our team over Richardson. I even like Jason Richardson….he just isn’t as consistent and isn’t the all around player Johnson is.

  • http://rpcjr72.blogspot.com/ Seven Duece

    What more can he do for the team, except sell beer and popcorn? He’s the only person on his team who not only has the skills for his position, but for a couple spots as well. Outside of Kobe, Lebron and maybe Wade & Carmelo, what team wouldn’t swap wings with Atlanta for him?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    please let my comment stand on its own. i would love for jj to be the starting 2 in cleveland (not my team but i kinda like this bron dude, pause) and i certainly think that he’s better than maggette and jrich. but you don’t go anywhere if he’s your best player. exactly like pau in his memphis days. that’s just a fact. that’s why you don’t sign those guys to max deals, it effs your cap space up and then you need to fill your roster with role players when actually your star is kind of a role player himself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sesa.opas Sesa

    @doyouwantmore. Tim Duncan and Brandon Roy is boring but they got the job done.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Z: Well “this bron dude” isn’t exactly in freaking abundance right now, is he? Its not like there’s 20 “bron dudes” up for grabs every draft, is there? Your type of thinking is the reason why 85% of the NBA has mailed in their seasons AND rosters to fight over 5 players in 2010.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Just because he’s not a franchise player because he suddenly doesn’t turn a team into the elite of Lakers Celtics et al, doesn’t mean you don’t try to extend him. Is he enough of a main guy for this franchise today? Yeah, he is. & like Teddy said, you don’t let him move and then cut cap, don’t make the playoffs or the season interesting, then try to ultimately bring in LeBron/Wade to replace him. Then fail, then back to the draft drawing a lottery pick board.

    Sekou Hawks blog link exchange, better than “Olympiakios interested in every player, says source that SLAM commenters in Europe say is a real bad source.”

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    But hey, don’t be scared of max deals Z. Wrong economy in the NBA today, wrong era now really. You can be more scared of 2010 Summer being no max deals for LeBron/Wade/Bosh. Or at least the original teams have plenty to match with just the same.

  • Felix

    I think a discussion on how many max players, total, there should be, league-wide is in order… thirty teams in the league, so should they each have one? i don’t think there’s that much talent- lebron can’t make the same money as the best player on the Kings, for example…more than thirty would be way, way retarded obviously… is the number ten? five? fifteen? two on the same team? doesn’t make sense unless its 2002 kobe shaq… interested to see how people feel about this…

  • http://www.sonicbids.com doyouwantmore

    @ Sesa: I would try to explain what I meant by my post, but something tells me if I have to explain, you’ll never be able to understand.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Roots LP title ^ You could also say the old axiom/joke of people in Atlanta not noticing Joe out and about like in a mall. Say if he was talking to Chipper Jones someplace people would go run up to Chip to talk to him too, because that other fan is doing it! Joe would get pushed out of the way. Only if Joe was talking to Harry the Hawk in costume, maybe they’ll notice Joe is a baller for the local team. Kids might like Harry more though.

  • josh

    Johnson’s not an elite player. He’s not even an elite scorer. Besides one season where he averaged 25 a game, he’s never averaged more than 21 during his time in Atlanta and you have to do better than that with all the shots he’s allowed to take. His weakness is that he doesn’t get to the line enough. He’s a very solid overall player but he’s never had a PER over 20. Regardless of one’s feelings about that stat, elite players break 20 easily and it says something that Johnson has never even broken that mark.

    He’d be a very good no.3 option on a contending team, the top two going to a big man and a perimeter player who can beat tough defensive matchups consistently. Johnson can be shut down by good defenders. Now, if he gets to go up against the second best perimeter defender and/or gets open set looks off of double teams, then you have a guy who can shine, kind of like how he did his last year in Phoenix, sort of.

  • Kevin K

    @Cdef015
    I am ignorant beyond words? And exactly what conference did Corey and Jrich play for?? If the hawks were in the West, they would have not made the playoffs either and they were the 4th seed in the East… Maggette has problem playing for a winning team? He played for the Freaking Clippers most of his career and he helped them get to the 2nd round once. Get your shit straight and then talk homie.

    @jesseG

    JJ was the 3rd-4th best player for that sick Suns team. Do I have to say more?

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Yeah, you guys are all right, sign him for max money. I hope Hawks fans love first/second round playoff exits for his entire contract.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sesa-Opas/738856357 Sesa

    @doyouwantmore: I don’t think you and I need further explanation. I got your point and I also believed you got my point. I’m emphasizing on “Gettin the job done”

  • http://gmail dirty frank

    The off-season is killing me

  • tavoris

    Josh, JJ is the Hawks best scorer, playmaker, perimeter defender, character guy, and healthiest player. Dude is JUST entering his prime (just turned 28,. Sure, he’d b a darn good third option…but u can say the same thing about any & every elite 1, 2, or 3 in the L. Sure, he’s not as good as Kobe, Wade, Lebron, or Dwight Howard, but if ATL does the stupid thing (not give him the money he’s looking for), then he will walk-and the Hawks will go back to the pits. None of the OBVIOUS max players are EVER going to ATL.

  • tavoris

    Jukai, u have a valid points, but can the Haws sign a better player than JJ? I seriously doubt it.

  • http://djsklfl.com Jukai

    Tavoris: Ask the Knicks how signing subpar players to max contracts does to a franchise.

  • c dawg

    damn i was mad when he left the suns they would have been a contender for years if he had stayed

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Joe Johnson’s problems in Phoenix weren’t about being second fiddle, they were about being told that the only reason he was any good wsa because of Steve Nash.
    I think he’d play second fiddle to a legit superstar.

  • tavoris

    Jukai…I’d agree if we were talking about a player who actually has weaknesses. Joe Johnson is as complete a 2guard you will find in the League. Sure, he’s not as good as Wade or Kobe or Roy, but he’s not a talent that the Hawks will duplicate or replace in any of their current players. as for the Knicks reference, he’s better than any Knick since Ewing’s prime.
    I agree Allenp. He’s not a selfish player by any means…

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Jukai: Joe Johnson is a subpar player? Man what is up with your stupid posts?

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