Monday, August 31st, 2009 at 5:17 pm  |  70 responses

The NBA vs. Europe

Casey explains the differences.

by CasCasey Jacobsoney Jacobsen

If I had a dollar for each time someone asked me what the differences are between the NBA and European basketball (FIBA), I could retire right now at the young age of 28. It’s a good question, and one that can’t be answered in few words.

Some background:

European basketball has been steadily improving for the past 30 years. Long before there was a Dirk Nowitzki, there was a Drazen Petrovic and an Arvydas Sabonis. Each year (or two), there were more European basketball players crossing the waters and testing their skill in the NBA. Fans of the game noticed the subtle change, but European basketball wasn’t really considered by most to be anywhere near the level to that of Americans. In fact, the USA was so dominant that for many years, we would send an Olympic team of college amateurs to compete against the professionals of every other country and still win the majority of competitions.

After the gap between Europe and the USA started to shrink in the 1980s, we decided to unleash our professionals and let the NBA players represent our country’s basketball ability. Our former dominance was soon restored, and it reached its pinnacle during the 1992 Olympic Games in Barcelona, Spain, when the USA assembled the greatest basketball team to ever walk on a hardwood floor. The “Dream Team,” led by Jordan, Barkley, Magic and Bird destroyed every country in their path and cruised to a gold medal. The following Olympics in 1996, the “Dream Team 2” also won easily with the average margin of victory over 30 ppg. In the last 16 Olympics, USA basketball has brought home the gold 13 times.

When that “Dream Team” era of players retired, however, something weird happened… The European teams no longer feared us. They already faced the Dream Team, and although they lost badly, in their minds, they realized that any other team that the U.S. puts on the floor will be inferior to the one led by MJ. As a result, these European teams who had been playing with each other for years developed a confidence that matched their growing skills at every position.

Countries like Greece, Argentina, Spain, Germany, Slovenia, Turkey, etc. were catching up to the USA and in many cases, beating them. Players like Dirk Nowitzki, Tony Parker, Hedo Turkoglu, Manu Ginobili and Pau Gasol were well-known players in all basketball circles. The NBA Draft was quickly becoming an international event. In the 2004 Olympics, Team USA, even with LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, took bronze. The gap had officially closed.

Basketball used to be an American game, and although the NBA is unquestionably the best league in the world, European basketball (FIBA) has significantly caught up and is still gaining ground. (If you don’t agree, think if all the European players who are starring in the NBA were still in Europe playing in their own countries.)

I’ve played four years in the NBA and another four years in Europe, so I have some experience with both. The similarity is obvious: basketball. Regardless of what country you plJuan Carlos Navarroay the game in, the basic principles of putting the ball in the basket still apply. But there are some significant differences between playing in the NBA and in Europe, both on and off the court:

1. The NBA game is much more about individual players than Europe. When you watch the Cleveland Cavaliers play, you’ll see LeBron James play one-on-one at least 15 times per game. He’s the best player. He gets the ball. The rules allow him to play isolation against his man—this idea is the core of what an NBA offense is about. In Europe, it is about team offense and defense. There are one-on-one opportunities, but they must come out of the team’s playbook, not your own. Even the most talented offensive players in Europe average less than 20 ppg.

2. FIBA rules are similar to those of college basketball in America. Games are only 40 minutes long (compared to 48 minutes in the NBA), the three-point lines are closer, and pure zone defenses are allowed. There are other smaller rule differences, but these I listed above are the ones that significantly change the way the game is played.

3. The NBA is about athleticism; Europe is about skill. Of course, the NBA players are skilled, but that isn’t what drives the League. Athleticism is the trump card. Even if a player has minimal skill, as long as he can run fast, slide quickly and jump high, an NBA team will find him a roster spot. The idea behind this philosophy is that coaches can teach a player how to make a jump shot, make good passes, and so on… but you can’t teach a 40-inch vertical leap! In Europe, if you can’t dribble, pass and shoot, then you don’t play—at least not with an elite club. It’s as simple as that.

4. European coaches have a lot of power and influence on their teams.
Coaching in the NBA is a difficult task because of two major factors: 1) The players make a lot more money than the coach does (except Phil Jackson)—thus the players are less likely to be released/traded if thXavier Pascual & Daniel Santiagoe team doesn’t do well. The NBA coach is the first to be fired and everyone knows this fact; and 2) The NBA is getting younger and younger—the kids playing in the NBA haven’t been to more than one or two years of college (and some not at all!), which makes it harder for coaches to win games with such inexperienced players. Coaches of veteran teams like the Lakers, Spurs and Magic have an advantage. In Europe, the coach is often paid more than the players and demands the kind of respect that college coaches in America get.

5. Money made in Europe is tax-free, and organizations pay for most your living expenses, including housing and a car. The way it works is the monetary contract you sign with a European club is your net-salary. The club pays taxes, on your behalf, to the country that you play in. The American player then gets credit with the U.S. Government for taxes that were paid (so your money can’t be taxed twice). Players still pay some federal taxes (a small amount) as well as State taxes, according to where they live. The European club will also provide a house/apartment and a car. That leaves only food, gas and cell phone/internet as your expenses. Not a bad gig!

6. NBA plays 82 regular season games in six months, European leagues play 40-60 games over eight months. In Europe, you practice a lot more. Often, you have two practices per day throughout that eight-month season. On average, European teams only play twice a week. In the NBA, you are playing 3-4 (and sometimes 5) times per week, which doesn’t allow a lot of time for team practicing. This might be one of the biggest differences, from a player’s standpoint.

7. Player salaries are significantly higher in the NBA. The average salary of an NBA player is around $4.5 million (pre-tax), and “superstars” make a lot more than that (Kobe and KG make around $18-20 million per year). In Europe, salaries vary between countries, but the best players make around 2-3 million Euros (tax-free)… although there are only a handful of those players. Most are playing for well less than $1 million.

8. Travel/hotel accommodations. In the NBA, every team travels by private plane and stays in the nicest hotels in the U.S. In Europe, teams travel by commercial airline (if a game is far away) or by bus. In Germany and Spain, we’d often take a bus to games that were inside the country.

Casey Jacobsen is a former SLAM High School First Team All-American and NCAA First Team All-American. He currently plays for Brose Baskets in Bamberg, Germany.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Justin Walsh

    I’m gonna be real with this, no lies- these blogs are going to be my favorite. I am highly interested in this. In fact, I need to print these for reference when talkin’ to my boys about Euro hoops. Thanks Casey.

  • Double J

    surrriously i’m loving this! i gots a german girl waiting for me over there… gonna hit it big in the hoops world!

  • http://sdjfklf.com Jukai

    So instead of explaining the rule differences, which I was looking forward to, you decided to tell everyone what we already know: NBA is strong, fast, Europe has “skill”
    Thanks.
    That could have been summed up in two sentences.

  • http://sdjfklf.com Jukai

    For the record, I’d like to state that if any European national team came and played in NBA rules instead of FIBA rules, we’d still be blowing the teams away by an average of thirty points. Those rules make a helluva lot more difference than this article lets on.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    A lot of random generalities in this piece. From what I can tell, a lot of players who have minimal skills can’t make the leap to the NBA and instead wind up over in Europe. Hell, Josh Childress isn’t “skilled” and he got a massive European contract.

  • Big Stu

    An aside, FIBA is extending the 3 point line and making the keyholes rectangular like the NBA, so the differences will be a little less shortly which will be interesting

  • izzo

    Allen:He then proceeded to really suck in Europe.

  • http://digitalthread.com AlbertBarr

    Cosign Jukai, this article said essentially nothing. Except that we pay our players alot more. So much for the myth that ballers will be flocking overseas. Do you thing Andy Varegeo could get 9 mil a year in Europe…no way.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I don’t agree with point #3 at all. It is a myth. Players in Europe aren’t more skilled at all. I’ve seen top Euro teams with my own eyes. Unathletic players are always referred as ‘hustlers’ or ‘skilled players’ whereas their motor or skillset are just average. It only gets magnified because that’s all they have. Look at an NBA roster, it’s full of athletic AND skilled players. That’s why they’re in the NBA. Euro teams JUMP at unskilled/raw guys like Pops Mensah-Bonsu or Mbenga as soon as they’re cut from an NBA roster. The catch is that the skilled and athletic Americans have NO REASON to go to Europe.

  • izzo

    Skilled can mean anything, so its really a non point to even say it. European players are definitely more fundamentally sound, that’s what I take ‘skilled’ to mean and I assume that most others are the same. Z:Your argument makes little sense, Euro teams jump at guys like Menah Bonsu et al because they are athletic and because of the dearth of ‘athleticism’ in Europe, their reasonable athleticism gives them value, or a role they can fill that most in Europe can’t. They’re being signed, not for their basketball prowess or skill(these guys are still below par skill wise in Europe), they won’t be releasing their own instructional videos anytime soon, even in Europe. Look at almost every major European/International imports, all ‘skill’ players. Also one supposed skilled and athletic player that did go to Europe but didn’t have to was Josh Childress, every game I seen him play he looked clueless and with poor fundamentals, relying on his athletic advantage to make awkward attacks at the rim.

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    Izzo has it right.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Josh Childress HAS ALWAYS BEEN HOT GARBAGE. They took a guy who couldn’t start for the Hawks back when they weren’t even good and expected him to set Europe on fire?! That’s on them. I’ve seen FC Barcelona play last spring and they’re so-called skilled played are marginal, inconsenquential NBA players at best. Ilyasova, Andersen, Barrett, Vasquez, Santiago, none of them impressed me with their skill level. Only Navarro could really have an impact on the NBA level. The Euro League is inferior in every way, shape or form to the NBA, don’t just accept ideas that have been repeated over and over again. They’ll tell you about skilled bigs like Scola and Pau but never mention Al Jefferson and Chris Bosh when making the comparison. They’ll talk about big snipers like Ohkur but never compare them to Troy Murphy or Matt Bonner. It’s always skilled Euro vs. Kenyon Martin.

  • izzo

    Z: No.

  • that dude

    What Jukai said doesn’t make sense

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Izzo, I’ve seen one of the best 4 teams in Europe and their starting line-up was basically the end of an NBA bench. It is what it is.

  • that dude

    So izzo has no counter to Z.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    The Eurogame really doesn’t have much room for big men. The NBA was a centers’ game for a long time up until around the time a skinny dude with a shaved head got drafted behind Sam Bowie.
    Also, I’ve noticed that European versions of sports tend to make things more like soccer. The style of play of basketball, rugby as opposed to football, etc. Just my take.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Nice retort, izzo…

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I think to make the argument more accurate, it’s not that the european leagues are more SKILLED. It’s that they are more DISCIPLINED. Traveling violations, inbounds plays, pivoting, low post play, iso-offense, teamsmanship, boxing out skills, all of these things amongst others have more emphasis and are of a higher quality in the european levels. Just look at what happens when you get the national teams playing against each other – the tide has changed, now for the U.S to win well they need to discipline themselves to match that level presented by your european champions (amongst others..).
    I still feel that the Athletic U.S. pool is superior but the gap has reduced greatly – I think the next handful of athletic stars to come out of the surrounding nations will charge on, into the realms of world stars.

  • Dray

    for the record, European basketball is played by fiba rules, so the basketball played in South America, Africa etc play by fiba rules. just like in soccer, we play by fifa rules.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    thats what izzo was meaning.

  • HangTime Hec

    Co sign Dacre. Toke the words out of my mind and splattered it on the webpage.

  • http://sdjfklf.com Jukai

    Dacre: BS. Once again, for the Us to win, they have to train themselves to play in FIBA rules. I will once again point out that if the Argentinean and Spanish national teams came over here and played in NBA rules, it would still be a slaughter.
    European teams would also have to be more disciplined. I saw about a thousand things the Spanish team did that would have gotten them seven technical. Two of them left the bench to protest a traveling violation on Kobe. Total BS.

  • http://sdjfklf.com Jukai

    MASSIVE differences:
    -no three second rule
    -massively varied goal tending rules
    -shorter games (dependent less on stamina)
    Not to mention time-outs, substitutions, jump balls, shot clock resets, Free throws, christ, the ball can go over the backboard in a FIBA game and still be in play!
    People may say, “well, basketball is basketball” but when you’re playing at the highest level of competition, any level of familiarity helps. Trust me, we must adopt FIBA rules and FIBA must adopt all ours. Once we’re even, the US will dominate more.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Jukai, the USA learning FIBA rules, plays into the argument that they do have to become more disciplined to succeed. Flat out, up and down athleticism is not going to get it done early on.
    And there is more discipline WITHIN the framework of the FIBA rules, as played at the eruo-club level – they do get called for their travels and 3 second violations. Post players and fastbreak scorers would have their career point tally’s HALVED if they went back and took away every travel call not made.
    LeBron would look a whole lot less dominant.
    I certainly don’t argue against the general balance of power being that the NBA is a tougher league and has the highest level of athletisicm, but in the face of playing the game by the actual rules that define the game: European basketball wins handsdown.

  • Brent

    What would happened if NBA teams played Euro clubs with their rules (3pt line,zones etc)?????
    Just look at what happened in 2006 world champs

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Case in point – Regarding Brents question and Jukai plausible notion:
    ___
    Give the NBA’s national team (let alone the entire league) a full season of playing FIBA style in the NBA I think the balance of power would shift to having a more ‘fundamentally sound league’, but i think you would see less, SUPERSTARS throughout…
    big time scorers would still score, but they would need to get their footwork right early on or turnovers and ppg stats would plummet. What WOULD be noticable is that the leagues purer shooters would become a whole lot more valuable…

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Playing a similar amount of games that the NBA currently schedule would be still great – everyone loves watching that much NBA…unless your a clippers fan…but imagine 40 minute games… everyone fresh, fouls to give…the tempo and intensity would be amazing.

  • German Reignman

    @Jukai:
    Just to get it right for you …

    - there is a three seconds rule in Europe as well (same as NBA)

    - goal tending rules vary in theory, but you rarely see allowed tipaways in actual games

    - yes, the games are shorter (by eight minutes) but you cannot tell me that well conditioned athletes, timeout management and a solid bench rotation wont take care of that

    - you forgot the foul rules: FIBA is five fouls youre out, NBA is six … imagine how many NBA players would not see the final quarter of a game due to that

    - your other arguments (timeouts, freethrows, backboard) are wrong or irrelevant

  • Furious

    Jukai is right that NBA teams would beat Euro teams. But to ridicule European ball because the ball can go over the backboard seems ridiculous. Why should the ball not be in play if it goes over the backboard? It’s not as if there is no out of bounds rule.
    Also, Lebron travels every time he gets the ball, that would probably slow him down if the referees weren’t afraid of his reputation.

  • cmoneys

    to the guy that talked about josh childress..yes he got a big contract…but was he all that successful?

  • mas

    CJ is certainly providing catchy phrases that are a bit extreme, in order to generate readers or for whatever else reason. I would have liked to read more realistic stuff, as he’s known as being a smart man. However, in all points there’s some truth behind it. And I do think a guy who played in both the NBA and Europe [even in different European leagues] should know what he’s talking about.

    If I had to point out one major difference, it would be the coaches’ influence and how disciplined players react to it. That is one of the major downsides of the NBA: superstars that have the fans, the referees, the rules, the whole world at their feet and can practically do whatever they desire. Only few of the best [Duncan, Ginobili come to mind] have the will to play disciplined basketball and do everything that’s necessary for team success.

    @Allenp: Childress got his fat contract for his NBA “accomplishments”, since many in Europe are still overrating the NBA, including coaches and front offices. He had never played in Europe nor for senior Team USA internationally, so that couldn’t be the reason. Being able to snatch free agent NBA role players is a new territorry for Europeans. Salaries for NBA role players will normalise as time passes and as there’s more experience with these signings.

  • riggs

    what fiba needs are non-biased refs, holy sh*t at the amount of no calls against the US whenever we play.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Good write up!!

  • WhaHos

    It would be interesting to see how an NBA team would react to less games and more practice. It may improve the product

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Casey is two-for-two on doing well-written, entertaining posts.

  • ab_40

    @ your number two in europe we play with a 24 seccond clock and play 4 times ten minutes not two times 20 with a laughable 35!?! seccond clock

  • Yesse

    Nba players win, Nba refs and the commissioner lose.lol.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Aren’t European big notorious for setting moving screens?
    Aren’t their skilled players notorious for grabbing and holding on defense on the wing?
    I think Jukai has good points.
    If Europeans are so “skilled” and fundamentally sound, why do they suck so horribly in man-to-man defense? Why are they mainly ridiculous floppers? That’s not skilled or fundamentally sound.
    It’s a stereotype and just like with most stereotypes, people search for anecdotal information that proves their point.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    For the record, I mentioned Josh Childress because nobody who watched NBA basketball thought he was skiled. NOBODY.
    Yet, in a European leage that puts a premium on “skilled” players, he was given a massive deal. That seems strange to me.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Seriously, this debate would be over if ya’ll had already copped that blueprint 3.

  • izzo

    “If Europeans are so “skilled” and fundamentally sound, why do they suck so horribly in man-to-man defense? Why are they mainly ridiculous floppers? That’s not skilled or fundamentally sound.”
    Yeah that’s not one bit stereotypical. Allen I’m amazed that you couldn’t figure out the whole Josh Childress thing yourself. He wasn’t signed for his skill level.

  • Salaner

    Last I heard, both Mbenga and Mensah-Bonsu will be playing in the NBA, not Europe, next season. You guys had better find sounder examples…

    BTW, don’t miss the preseason NBA-Euroleague matchups coming up. They’ll be fun. And if a couple of jingoistic characters on this board are able to watch them with their eyes open, not blindfolded, maybe they’ll learn a thing or two about this game…

  • la huey

    Euroleague competition is not on par with the NBA. That’s all that matters.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    @AllenP.
    European teams generally incorporate zone defenses because they are do not have the bare-natural athleticism of ‘african american’ world class athletics. You can’t tell me that the NBA is full of superior one-on-one defenders, when every other week my favourite players are constantly dragged down for their ‘lack of defense’ (steve nash anyone???) out of a zone format?!
    If anything, a disciplined incorporationg of udnerstanding a zone defense would benefit a whole share of NBA defenders, so there is no winning point to be said for the NBA’s “defensive superiority” or the aargument that Europe “doesn’t play defense”. The fact that you call a defensive play as a “flop” shows that general NBA fans consider taking a charge as not being an appropiate form of defense?! It’s crazy!! If my UNDISCPLINED, matchup has the ball and starts barrelling to the basket I’m going to try and draw a charge also! IT’S A SET RULE, thats well worthy of being utilised, every possession if need be…
    …I’ve let the “flop argument” slide for many years, but it’s atrocious to think that this mindset makes someone a bad defender – yet again, it’s american referee’s that don’t want to make a call in favour of the defense.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay first of all, a guy with no skills but exceptional athleticism in Tyrus Thomas would still be a star or at least a key player for a team in Europe…

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Allenp: Scola played in Euroleague but he’s South American. I know you know that though, but just wanted to make that clear.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    my spelling is woeful.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    also…Manu is argentinian, as the other primary “flopper” in the league…

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