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Wednesday, September 2nd, 2009 at 11:30 am  |  58 responses

Jonny Flynn Feigns Disappointment in Rubio Resolution

Sorry, Jonny, but I’m having a hard time buying into the idea that you were looking forward to battling Ricky for minutes: “Jonny Flynn is disappointed that he’ll have to wait at least two years to team up with Ricky Rubio, the teenage sensation who told the Minnesota Timberwolves on Monday night he was going to put the NBA on hold and remain Spain. ‘He’s a guy that could make me better, and make our team better,’ Flynn said Tuesday after playing in an open run at his alma mater, Niagara Falls High School. ‘And that’s the most important thing. We’re going to be missing a piece to our puzzle that really could’ve helped us out this year…It’s tough to hear you have to wait two years to play with a great player like that.’”

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  • http://www.facebook.com mat smith

    he might be really, good players like to be challenged

  • Exile

    Right. But he is saying the right things and towing the company line like a good soldier. Good start.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    It’s okay Flynn. Average 20 and 10 in your rookie season and you’ll forget he was even drafted.

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/christopher_sells-authorHV106.html chiqo

    battling for minutes? they were going to be on the court together, actually. kahn said so, so you know it’s true.

  • http://www.infamousklav.blogspot.com Klav

    im sure Rambis will find a way to utilize Flynn. i hope Minnesota has a good season, they’ve been stuck in mediocrity and irrelevance for too long.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Jonny Flynn is the anti-Ricky Rubio.

  • Ken

    Co-sign Klav.

  • http://dsfjkf.com Jukai

    Of course Flynn is disappointed Rubio isn’t coming. Now Flynn will have to suck for 35 minutes instead of 15.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Setting the Rubio situation aside, why do you think he will suck? He obviously can’t shoot very well from deep but a 46% is very respectable for a pg and he shoots it well from the line too. 7 assts a game at the NCAA level is nothing to frown upon either, he can run a team. + he’s a very high character guy with a great motor. I think he’ll be everything that Marcus Banks was supposed to be but could never actually become.

  • ENDS

    Never Understood why they Drafted 2 point guards back to back even though now they look like semi-geniuses.

  • ENDS

    The Best part of this whole thing is that now no one will ever remember what my Magic did with Fran Vazquez

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    No matter what anyone says, and until 2011 comes to (possibly) prove me wrong, I still think it was a dumb idea to draft two point guards capable of starting. Minny should have draft a point guard and a shooting guard. Either one of Curry or DeRozan would have been a good move for them.

  • http://dsfjkf.com Jukai

    Z: I was just being a prick. I think he’ll be fine, but I just think of Flynn more suited to be a sixth man with heavily varied minutes than a starter. I never like combo guards as a rule of thumb, and until I see Flynn as a better passer, he’ll be a combo guard in my mind. He’s just too short, everything is shaky— shooting, passing, defense, there’s some flashes of brilliance mixed in with inconsistently. I’m not sure what will level out and what will continue through his career.
    In fairness though, I think he’ll be better than Jerryd f*cking Bayless

  • Josh D

    See this is the REAL reason y they drafted him after Rubio

  • ciroqobama

    Flynn > Rubio
    Now OR in 2 years

  • tavoris

    I been saying the same thing, ciroqobama

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I have NEVER thought of Flynn as a combo guard. It had not even crossed my mind until you mentioned it. Yeah he likes to score but he’s not Nate (for better AND worse).

  • tavoris

    I guess Jukai doesn’t have much love for Chauncey Billups, either…

  • Captain Jean Luc-Picard

    Jonny has class. Rubio is an ass.

  • http://www.infamousklav.blogspot.com Klav

    Josh, if they KNEW this woulda happened…wouldnt it only make sense to pick Flynn first and give him money since he will be the immediate help? idk, i think its only fair that Flynn gets more money since Rubio isn’t even going to be playing.

  • dial up

    lmao “flynn is a combo guard.” OJ MAYO is the definition of a combo guard. Flynn is a pg, dumbass.

  • http://dsfjkf.com Jukai

    Tavoris said one of the stupidest things ever. Chauncy is pure point. Being a point guard doesn’t mean getting assists. It means controlling tempo, allocating shots.
    I really didn’t see that with Flynn. I just saw run run run oh hi you’re open, pass I watched a LOT of Syracuse games too. A lot of his passes came off drawing some help defenders, which I worry wont happen as much in the NBA because of his length.
    Can someone explain to me why OJ Mayo is more of a combo guard than Flynn? Of course OJ Mayo shoots more, but I mean, it’s cause OJ Mayo can score better. Are their shoot/pass percentages really that far off from each other?
    Now the argument is that Flynn had to run and shoot a helluva lot more in Cuse offense due to the general lack of any other offense on the team. That’s fair. Unfortunately, until I see differently, I still say he’s a shoot-first combo guard.
    Maybe I’m using the term ‘combo guard’ wrong. I don’t mean he plays both point and shooting guard. Maybe shoot first point guard is better.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Jukai has confused me.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    There you go, Jukai. Shoot first would be more appropriate because calling someone that never plays the other guard spot a combo is just incorrect. And even that, he was shoot first at Cuse because, let’s face it, who else was gonna get buckets? I have no doubt that he’ll get the rock to Big Al on every play. Non issue to me. Now the big question is who’s going to play the 2 for them? please don’t say corey. / Unrelated: as an NBA team ever had any success with its pg scoring in the high 20s? I think that’s what’s flawed with Gil, the game is not made for the guy that brings the ball up to chuck it too.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    OJ Mayo is NOT a combo guard. He’s a shooting guard. He’s freaking 6-5 and he shoots first. And his jumpshot is smooth.
    Flynn is a point guard.

  • Quail

    Actually Teddy, Mayo is freaking 6-4 and he averaged 4 assists last season.

  • tavoris

    Jukai, how dare you say my comment was stupid? Even so when in your same rant, you admit that you are using the term incorrectly. Geez…people dont’ know how to discuss, but they sure know how to flame. And for the record, Billups is the quentessential “combo guard” the same way Joe Dumars was. If he was a pure point, he’d be compared to the last pure point Detroit had (Zeke).

  • tavoris

    TADOne, its because he’s in the mood to flame instead of discuss. I guess he didn’t realize that in Detroit’s title years, Billups and Hamilton’s roles were pretty interchangeable.

  • Poohbizzle

    Ciroqobama is probably the funniest thing I’ve heard all day

  • LeoneL

    tavoris, I think you mean Detroit’s title year without the s. And about Billups and Hamilton playing both guard position? I don’t know. Rip was really there to zoom around screens and shoot and shoot…and shoot some more. Of course he can pass, but Billups was there and Billups was the court general. So not really interchangeable IMHO.

  • chintao

    In that interview, Flynn shows the benefits of attending a school with one of the finest sports journalism/media schools around.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay… Wade averaged like 6-7 assists. And he’s freaking 6-4. Doesn’t mean he’s a point guard.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Although, I may be overlooking his point guard abilities. I know he played point in high school and all. He just seems to me like a great shooting guard.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    (Referring to OJ Mayo) ^^^

  • http://dsfjkf.com Jukai

    I’m sorry… but it was a dumb comment Tavoris. You’re a very intelligent person. However, if you say things like “the sky is red” or “I think losing my left leg will make me faster” or “Chauncy Billups is a combo guard,” then I’m going to call you out for saying something very wrong.
    Chauncy was pure point. More to the fact, Rip was one of the most pure shooting guards in the L, a player who could score off the ball to a T, legit.
    I have no idea why you’d think differently,.

  • http://dsfjkf.com Jukai

    Being able to play shooting guard doesn’t make you a combo guard. Being inter-valuably changeable with both pros and cons (like Allen Iverson) makes you a combo guard. I guess Flynn could never really survive at the two position so it was dumb for me to use him there, although I still contend that I think he’ll have a lot of problems at the point. Z keeps telling me the way he played in Cuse was simply because that’s what they made him do. I haven’t seen any evidence that Flynn CAN create consistently, only find open players. He also deviates rhythm by scoring, which is much more of a shooting guard thing.
    Now he may be a valuable point guard if there is a dominate shooting/point forward on the team, but I think Flynn is more valuable coming off the bench, not as a starter. The guy can come in and take the ball ((as a point)) and get into the game easier by working with the ball. Second units are slower and his vast size difference wont mean as much.
    We’ll have to wait and see, but that’s just how I see Flynn right now.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Klav Posted: Sep.2 at 3:59 pm
    Josh, if they KNEW this woulda happened…wouldnt it only make sense to pick Flynn first and give him money since he will be the immediate help? idk, i think its only fair that Flynn gets more money since Rubio isn’t even going to be playing.
    ___
    Klav, your thinking about it all wrong, like a ‘best mates’ scenario not a BUSINESS scenario: You pick the guy who might not come out, but if he does he could be amazing first. THEN you take the guy who you know is going to play and actually get him CHEAPER (although what is the price difference between a 5th and 6th pick?). The Wolves were quite certain Rubio wasn’t coming out this year (hence the draft of a 2nd PG), they could of moved the 6th pick for a lower pick plus player in a trade OR taken a PF or wing man but the temptation was too great to ignore. Basically someone had to draft Rubio and hope for the best.

  • http://Www.lorenzogate.com Lorenzogate

    Don’t know why the cynicism. As has been said Flynn’s words shows class and that he’s a good soldier. What I saw at summer league doesn’t indicate he’ll set the L on fire. But want to be proved wrong.

  • http://sevendeu2u.wordpress.com/ Seven Duece

    Jukai, no offense, but Billups doesn’t consistently CREATE, he runs the plays. He’s smooth, under control and has impeccable timing, but to say he’s a creative passer is an overstatement. He’s a bigger Terrell Brandon, which is nothing wrong.

    I think Flynn will be creative (if not turnover prone) at the point, though he will have to tone down looking for his own to avoid the Baron Davis syndrome. Then again, Minnesota needs some perimeter scoring from somewhere.

  • luv2ball

    I would call guys who are playing pg (or are PG size) but are scoring oriented, lead guards. Guys whose major M.O. is to get buckets, but they run the team responsibly (Billups, Cassell, (old) Stevie Franchise, Mo williams, Deron Williams, Mike Bibby, Nick Van Exel, Damon Stoudamire, Russell Westbrook, Jameer Nelson. To be fair, Chauncey came into the NBA as a combo guard, he had no PG skills but learned to run a team. I would call him a pure pg now. Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Rondo, steve blake. are pure PG types. Pure PG’s now a days are few and far between. Combo guards are guys who are tweeners,or around PG size and can not be true wing players so they have to learn to play some 1. Now Dwade is tweener size, but has freakish athletic ability, strength,and length to be able to guard twos, and threes I wouldnt call him a combo, but a straight wing. I would call Eddie House, Delonte West, Agent Zero, Ronald Murray, Stuckey AKA 50, Jarry Blayless, Nate Robinson, jamal crawford (even at 6’5 his ball handling ability makes me call him a tweener) Mostly these guys are called combos because they have to guard ones and are usually on the floor with a better ball handler, or a guy who doesn’t look to score as much.

  • sab

    he’s only a “combo” guard if you can imagine him playing the 2, alongside a “pure” pg… and i don’t think you can…

  • tavoris

    A combo guard is a player who could play both the point and a shooting guard. That should clear up the misconception. And while Hamilton is definitely a shooting guard (didn’t mean to insinuate otherwise), he was responsible for initiating Detroit’s offense on MANY occasions (when Billups was posting up). and Jukai, we will disagree until the end of time about Billups, while he’s an excellent point guard, he is NOT a pure point. He is a combo, and people only started considering him a point guard once he got to Detroit. Nash, Kidd, Paul, and Williams are pure points. Billups and Hinrich (who are capable and comfortable sliding to the 2) are combo guards. Not so sure how long your basketball experience is, but I’ve been watching dude since he was at Colorado.

  • giogolo

    chauncey seems to play a lot like a combo guard even up to know since
    1. he’s not gun-shy(big shot) and can create his own simpe offense even posting-up
    2. his game flow is more deliberate and looks to set-up the offensive plays rather than look to “score” the assists.
    It’s pretty obvious when u compare his game with cp3,nash or even deron.
    I only saw a lot of his game beginning in Detroit and I must say that since then he has been a TRUE pg.
    before that I dont know.
    Now Ivy on the other hand..he plays shooting guard but due to his size many like to place him as combo.
    NBA should put up a dictionary of some sort.

  • giogolo

    D-wade is a shooting guard. even of story.
    go ask him.

  • giogolo

    D-wade is a shooting guard. end of story.
    go ask him.

  • Big D

    Flynn is a short combo-guard. Flynn’s not a true “pass-first” point guard.

  • Will.I.Am.Not.

    I love Jonny Flynn’s game. I think hes gonna be a star

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Tavoris
    I also thought of Chauncey immediately when Jukai mentioned a dislike for combo guards.
    Joe Dumars as well.
    Chauncey came in as a combo guard, he became more of a pure point, but if you watch his game there are still combo guard tendencies. Tony Parker has them as well.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Brandon Roy is technically a combo guard.
    As is Gilbert Arenas.
    If Isiah Thomas played today he’d be branded a combo guard.

  • http://slamonline Allenp

    Tavoris
    I think Isiah became a pure point, but if you check his initial years in the league, he was a combo guard, or shoot-first point guard as some would say now.
    And Jukai likes Bob Cousy, who was also a combo guard early in his career.

  • tavoris

    when “pure point” guards come to mind, I think of players who are play the point excusively. Chauncey spends a great deal of time at the 2, and has done so his entire career. Kidd, Nash, Paul, Deron Williams, Andre Miller, Rondo, etc. are players who do not spend much-if any-time at the 2. I think some people use “combo guard” as a somewhat derogatory term. Chauncey is probably the epitome of a combo guard in today’s league, because he’s become a VERY effective point guard (he’s actually not an elite passer, so pure point probably still doesn’t apply), but also is VERY effective as a shooting guard as well. Other combo guards in recent NBA history would be Steve Francis, Gilbert Arenas, Mike Bibby (his ability at the 2 came once he fixed hi s J his rookie year). The three best examples of combo guards in NBA history are Joe Dumars, Walk Frazier, and Oscar Robertson. Any player that would compare in that vein is a combo guard-period.

  • tavoris

    Allenp, I think some people get unnecessarily riled up about about terminology when they may not be using it correctly. Jukai and I have had similar “clashes” over semantics in the past, and will likely continue to do so in the future (as long as terminology used regarding basketball is unclear. I only implore him to discuss and/ or disagree with respect, since throwing insults or backhanded comments only undermines his maturity (and consequently his credibility).

  • http://SLAMONLINE.COM B-Moore

    Teach me your ways Jukai.

  • http://dsfjkf.com Jukai

    Allenp:From your description, then Jonny Flynn IS a combo guard. If you say shoot first point guard, then Flynn fits that bill.
    I wasn’t really referring to Chauncy Billups in at the beginning of his career because, in all honesty, I never paid attention to the dude until he joined the Pistons. Once he became a Piston, he (everyone pretty much agrees) became a pure point guard. Just because he takes a lot of shots, doesn’t make him a combo guard or even ‘shoot first’ point guard.
    To me, what makes someone a ‘combo guard’ (which I will now be referring to as ‘shoot first point guard’ since the majority of posters tell me that combo guard means a guy equally apt to play both shooting guard and point) is their mentality during games. At the beginning of a game, Chauncy Billups is more apt to pass and get teammates involved. Just because he doesn’t ‘create’ like Nash, Paul, and Williams, doesn’t mean he isn’t setting the pace and distributing the ball equally to teammates. A guy like Arenas, is more likely to get his offensive game going at the beginning of a game and THEN get his teammates involved, because his offensive game is more important.
    In easier words,
    Chauncy will pass to an open man instead of shooting a slightly less open shot. Gilbert Arenas will shoot the less open shot. In comparison, Paul will create an even better shot.

  • http://dsfjkf.com Jukai

    Also, I have no idea if Cousy was more of a combo guard at the beginning of his career because I have never watched full games of him. But I’m glad you were alive to watch him, grandpa (add a smiley face there to denote humor)

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    So where does Jason Kidd fit in? The second PG (behind Mark Jackson) to post up on the regular? I think a ‘lead’ guard can still post up and still be playing PG he is after all still setting up the offense….
    It’s often about communication and organising the ball movement/play out on the court, whilst not necessarily having the ball in your own hands.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    A share of plays often came from Jeff Hornacek, who played point at the suns early in his career – he switched to the 2 at Utah and never looked back, the offensive structure is what determines whether you split the role of a certain player.

  • tavoris

    well, since this is about Flynn, let’s settle it. He’s NOT a combo guard. his team required him to score for them to compete, but he had to create his scoring opportunities from the point guard position. Rarely, if ever, were his opportunities created for him.

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