Saturday, October 24th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  39 responses

‘The Glove’ Has Come Off

The end of the best basketball show on television.

by Bryan CrawfordGary Payton, Chris Webber & Ahmad Rashad

When I first got the news that Gary Payton would no longer be appearing on NBA TV’s very popular, regular season show on Tuesday, Fan Night, I was highly upset. Especially considering that earlier in the day I’d just watched and then deleted some saved episodes of the show from last season in order to make room for new ones. But as I delved into the story a little more, I found that GP wasn’t the only one being replaced, but Ahmad Rashad, too, which made me feel even worse. I hadn’t felt that bad since Jerry Krause broke up the Bulls.

In my opinion, Ahmad Rashad, Chris Webber and Gary Payton were the most entertaining guys on TV and made Fan Night one of my favorite shows to watch. In fact, I thought those three guys were a better cast than TNT’s Ernie Johnson, Kenny Smith, and Charles Barkley in terms of pure comedy. Yeah, I like good basketball analysis, but I also like to watch real people talk about real things in a real way. So starting next week there will be no more Ahmad and GP on Fan Night. As Chuck would say, “That’s turrible!”

But what makes the news even “worser,” was who the network decided to replace Ahmad and Gary with; Ernie Johnson and Kevin McHale? So now the Tuesday night on-air talent will be EJ, CWebb and Kevin McHale. Could there be an odder trio on television?

Don’t get me wrong, I like Ernie Johnson and meaning no disrespect to the big up-and-under, but the show seems a lot less interesting now with those two added to the mix. Granted, I’m speaking rather prematurely seeing as they’ve yet to air a show and who knows, McHale and EJ could be great additions. But in place of Ahmad Rashad and Gary Payton sitting alongside Chris Webber, I seriously doubt that. There’s no way that the chemistry they shared can be duplicated.

After reading some of the comments from ‘McHale Replaces Gary Payton on NBA TV,’ it was kind of a mixed bag between ‘good riddance,’ and ‘that sucks.’ But for those who said that they didn’t like the show with GP on it, I don’t think they understood what the real appeal of Fan Night actually was for the peopleGary Payton & Chris Webber who enjoyed it.

Watching Ahmad, Gary, and Chris talk basketball on TV was like sitting in a barbershop in the hood and listening to regular guys talk basketball. Sometimes good points are made and sometimes someone says something that’s totally ridiculous and makes almost no sense at all. But no matter what, the conversations were almost always funny, and you always walked away entertained and couldn’t wait to come back next week for more. That’s what it was like watching those guys and that show embodied all three of those characteristics.

I especially enjoyed the arguments that Gary and Chris would have that at times would become pretty heated leaving one or both of those guys pissed off which left Ahmad to play peace maker and as the level-headed, neutral party, diffuser of the situation. But at the end of the day, you knew that it was all in fun and you could tell that those guys respected one another’s opinion—agree or disagree. More importantly than that though, you could see the passion that they shared for this game of ours and that’s what made the show great. Gary Payton’s removal from NBA TV was such a big deal in the basketball community that it prompted the Twitter trending topic, #bringGPback.

From what I’ve heard, GP has a desire to get back into the League as a coach which is why he won’t be appearing on NBA TV this season. Certainly there’s some honor in that seeing as nobody was crazy enough to believe he had a career in television anyway, but it really is sad that we won’t get to “hang out” with him on NBA TV anymore. Oh well, thank God for YouTube. I can’t believe that it’s over, though. It feels, as Jay-Z would say, like “It Was All a Dream.”

Had a dream, I said. Bout who? He said. GP, I said. Oooh weee, he said. Dig what he said. Proceed, he said. Indeed, I said. So, breathe I did. Don’t repeat what I say, I said. He said nothing. He agreed with his head. He just nodded like this. What I believed to be a yes, I repeated what was said. Gary came to me like “Pssst,” last evening,Gary Payton, Chris Webber & Ahmad Rashad I said.

“What’s crack-a-lackin, homeboy?” was the greeting he said. First thing I wanted to know was the reason he was canned. Too real for TV? “Better believe it,” he said. “When you represent the hood, they won’t keep you,” he said.

I see, I said. Too “G,” I said. Made NBA TV uneasy, I said. Then GP said, “B, remind yourself. Nobody built Gary Payton, I designed myself.” I agree, I said. His one-of-a-kind self won’t change for Turner Sports, airtime or bread.

So what I said to GP has been said before. Just keep doing your thing, I said. “Say no more.”

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  • Jas Posted: Oct.24 at 9:36 am
    Gary was sooooooooooo annoying. I’m glad he’s out, but Mchale is not a good replacement.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.24 at 9:40 am
    Ugh at the last part…

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.24 at 9:41 am
    Anyway, EJ is good and all, and I’m sure McHale will do fine, but for all intensive purposes, the best show on NBA TV is gone forever.

  • @sheed Posted: Oct.24 at 9:53 am
    Especially i remember the Shaq Show. Shaq: “Take out the white suite Gary!!!!!” The say GP was a famous trash-talker in-court. Until i saw this show i wasn;t able to get it!!! He’s a showman.

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  • bobby Posted: Oct.24 at 10:42 am
    ive heard stories that Kevin Mchale is funny as hell……like when he was playing he was the funniest player in the league type funny

  • Jay-G Posted: Oct.24 at 11:42 am
    NBATV wonders why are light years behind NFL and MLB Networks? Besides the lack of programming, things like this just kill me as a fewer. GP, Webb and Ahmad were had great chemistry and were a joy to watch. Oh well, guess I can watch more NFL Playbook.

  • Rog123 Posted: Oct.24 at 12:19 pm
    I like inside the nba on tnt much much better. Chuck, the jet, and ej. That is a funny but smart group of guys

  • NBA_JAM Posted: Oct.24 at 12:21 pm
    I’m glad to see GP go… He had flashes of humor, but no substance whatsoever. I’m even happier to see that Ahmad is off this show. He doesn’t know anything about the league anymore, and can only read (poorly) what is written for him… He does look good for being 60 though.

  • Orlando Woolridge Posted: Oct.24 at 12:32 pm
    Inside the NBA was the best show on television…until Ahmad, Gary and Chris hit the air. I seriously made sure to add the NBA Channel to my cable package after I saw that show on the NBA TV preview. It was one of the few shows that would make me laugh out loud every time.

  • Kris Posted: Oct.24 at 12:38 pm
    McHale is supposed to be one of the funniest athletes in the history of sports, and this is not just due to those awful sweaters he used to rock on the Wolves’ bench. I heard this a few times, then Kevin Love reiterated it in an interview this past summer and Love seems like a pretty down to earth dude, so McHale might have finally found his post Celtics calling and us fans might be in for a treat.

  • Ben Osborne Posted: Oct.24 at 3:00 pm
    NBATV has hundreds of hours to fill…why not keep GP AND give McHale a gig of his own?

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.24 at 5:38 pm
    I have a question: Will Ernie still be on TNT?

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.24 at 5:39 pm
    Ahmad: And now for some scintillating conversation.
    Payton and Webber: “SIMILATING!!!”
    Hahaha that was an awesome show.

  • Prophecy_projectz Posted: Oct.24 at 7:28 pm
    Gary Payton polarized a lot of people. I personally thought he was great but some people found him annoying and I guess NBA TV leaned on the opinion of those less favoured to him. I have no idea why Ahmad left though.
    I hear McHale is actually a pretty witty guy so I’ll be curious to see if its true.
    But still, I think it was way too early to change that lineup. Too black? lol
    As Ben said, they’ve got hundreds of hours to fill over on NBA TV and they always have a sea of presenters and guests so I hope we havent seen the last of Gary and Ahmad

  • Da Hood Posted: Oct.24 at 7:51 pm
    It was so hoodtv at its best thats what made it great, it was like going to the barborshop when you were watching them.

  • SLAM'sFAN Posted: Oct.24 at 8:47 pm
    GP wasn’t even funny though (maybe I just didn’t get his humor), he didn’t do much but showing up and lipping out stupid noises from his mouth… despite all that – he was an awesome playa :-)

  • Tzvi Twersky Posted: Oct.24 at 8:51 pm
    Agree with Ben. GP should join Lang on his show. Now that would be some real sht.

  • Fsshhhh Posted: Oct.25 at 12:08 am
    You’ll be surprised how funny McHale is.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.25 at 1:21 am
    I know the show had a lot of trash talkin’, loud voices, obscene opinions and a very barbershop feel to it, but I really wouldn’t consider it ‘hood humor.’ I found it funny and I’m as white as they come.
    They put Gary Payton’s face on Cat Fancy for christsakes.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Oct.25 at 2:24 am
    Jukai: How close to the ‘hood’ do you get?

  • dial up Posted: Oct.25 at 11:32 am
    LOL if people think payton is from the “hood”, they’ve never been there. He’s as far from the hood as you can get. Is he an annoying former nba player?? hell yeah he is.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Oct.25 at 1:57 pm
    Dial Up: Actually, GP is from the hood.

  • rocket3 Posted: Oct.25 at 2:32 pm
    That show convinced me that Gary Payton should be a coach. He’s definitely smart enough to do it. I think he should try for an assistant job right now.

  • GBaby Posted: Oct.25 at 3:16 pm
    That is wack they were a better threesome then charles Smith and Ej. this sux. now i gotta go back 2 watchin american idol rewind

  • dial up Posted: Oct.25 at 5:55 pm
    Like i said, gary payton is not from the hood. He’s never had to live from paycheck to paycheck, and his time in cali and oregon does not count as, the hood. I’m guessing you must not know what the hood is, if not you should go check out the projects, just because he’s black and isn’t very smart, DOES NOT mean he’s from the ghetto. point done.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Oct.25 at 8:06 pm
    Dial Up: From your last statement of “just because he’s black and isn’t very smart, does not mean he’s from the ghetto”, I guess you felt like I was sterotyping or something. Wrong, again. I know EXACTLY what the hood is. I’m from the hood. The Englewood section of Chicago to be exact. If you don’t know about the “Wood” and the demographic of the people who live there, Google it. Also, a large portion of my family lived in the projects and I spent a good bit of time there in my life. So, I know what that is too. But to the Gary Payton point, you seem to think you know more about GP than I do, and that’s cool. But just a tip, before you make an argument, make sure you get facts and don’t just speculate. You only end up looking foolish in the end. Laughing at you thinking GP isn’t smart too. That was hilarious.

  • wilz Posted: Oct.26 at 12:02 am
    actually, listening to ppl make ridiculous points that make no sense is one of the things i hate most. id rather hear ppl make points that make sense…i have friends that fill the dumbass role..i dont need gp contributing…
    i also dont need to hear about cwebb acting like hes a hof’er

  • Riiver Posted: Oct.26 at 4:17 am
    dang i loved GP and CWebb. ugh

  • karan Posted: Oct.26 at 4:31 am
    i love the glove

  • Kas Posted: Oct.26 at 5:31 am
    TNT with Charles and the gang is so much more entertaining than Fan Night.

  • Dave Posted: Oct.26 at 10:03 am
    Funniest McHale ‘joke’ I heard?
    His old college roommate got a ten day contract and got put in against McHale. Kevin patted him on the butt and whispered he’d give him a free hook shot on the left block. Roommate gets down low and turns… and McHale bats it into the fifth row.
    “Heheh,” he snickers. “I lied.” Wonder if his roommate got another contract?

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.26 at 11:33 am
    From the TV specials I’ve seen, Payton was from the “hood.” Or at least he spent a lot of time hanging out there.
    Y’all don’t remember that Jason Kidd used to come down to rough areas of Oakland to get schooled by Payton so he could get his game up? I mean, just becaue you’re living in the hood doesn’t mean you have to fit a stereotype. There are lots of regular families living in areas that certain folks would classify as the “hood.”
    Anyway, like I said on the other post, GP and CWebb weren’t afraid to talk about anything. And unlike Sir Charles, they didn’t act like total buffoons most of the time. So, they discussed some serious topics in an intelligent manner, while also clowning around and having fun.
    Plus, those two cats probably know more about the game than Kenny and Charles in my opinion. Both of them were students of the game, and while they weren’t the best on-air talent in terms of polish, they typically had good opinions, particularly Webber.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Oct.26 at 11:39 am
    Allenp: I agree with everything you just said. In terms of polish, you’re a great commenter with good opinions… Most of the time! (J/K)

  • Th3_R3al_Chris Posted: Oct.26 at 12:33 pm
    I would have preferred that they just replaced Ahmad with EJ and had him work with GP and Webb as a sort of Inside “B” show (and since Kenny Smith has coaching aspirations and Chuck wants to GM, this would have been a decent way to ease them out and GP and Webb in).

  • Bart King Posted: Oct.26 at 2:31 pm
    “[T]he real appeal of Fan Night actually was for the people who enjoyed it”? Okay. And the real repellent of Fan Night actually was for people who disliked it.

  • Shannon Booher Posted: Oct.28 at 6:43 am
    I had my head buried in the sand for the past week or so and I am just finding this out. I am devastated.

  • Rick Kang Posted: Oct.28 at 8:56 am
    End of an amazing era… Haters can hate, but the best thing about GP, Chris Webber and Ahmad Rashad was that though they clowned a lot and got silly, they were also passionate about ball and were totally off-the-cuff in a refreshing way, from they nonsensical banter during highlights to GP’s insanely funny mugging and sound effects. And it was actually good to see “my main man” Ahmad again, playing the clueless straight man to a tee. — sigh — This is like when they broke up RUN-TMC before its time…

  • Keeta Posted: Oct.28 at 9:08 am
    This topic was the first one on my radar after opening night. I can’t believe this….GP and C-Webb were great together, and very very funny.
    I was really looking forward to seeing them together this season. Something has to be done. I want a dance contest…shoop! Feel free to solicit me at anytime regarding this matter. We need GP back in the studio even if its just sometime.

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