Friday, October 2nd, 2009 at 12:45 pm  |  90 responses

Andrew Bynum is Dropping Kareem

by Marcel Mutoni

Andrew Bynum no longer needs Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s tutelage. Well, he thinks he doesn’t, anyway.

The young fella — who has been billed as the key to the Lakers’ future since the day he arrived in SoCal — thinks he’s gotten all that he can from the greatest scorer in NBA history. In fact, the two didn’t even speak this past summer.

As one might expect, Kareem isn’t exactly thrilled with the new relationship (or lack thereof.)

The Daily News reports:

Sources close to the team said that Abdul-Jabbar will be playing a lesser role with both the Lakers and Bynum this season. With his round-the-clock tutoring of Bynum not needed as much, sources said Abdul-Jabbar would likely spend less time with the team and more time back in his hometown of New York City. All of which seems to be a considerable letdown for the former Lakers captain, who has worked closely with Bynum since the Lakers drafted him out of high school in 2005.

Abdul-Jabbar expressed disappointment in Bynum and the situation, saying that “I think there are things that have to do with basketball that he could learn but he’s getting on in years.” Bynum said he understood his mentor’s feelings, but that it’s not personal and just a natural evolution for him in his career.

Man, I’m telling you. Kids these days …

Bynum says one of his goals this season is to make the All-Star team. Not sure how familiar Young Andrew is with NBA history, but Kareem might have some useful advice about how to make it to the mid-season classic. Cap only went there, oh, 19 times.

It remains to be seen if Bynum can figure things out on his own.

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  • LeoneL

    So you think you got it all figured out Andrew?

  • Babygab

    Today’s youngsters !SMH !

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    With this kind of arrogance, the mixture of Lamar’s possible meltdown with a Kardashian and Drew thinking he’s beyond the arguably best offensive big man ever, is quite honestly beyond me. He could learn so much, and he thinks he’s better than that? Expect PJ to bench his ass a whole lot more, he thinks he’s going to have a coming out party and will want all the shine this season. Greeeeeeeat…so much for team chemistry.

  • la huey

    If you dump a Hall of Fame center as mentor, I expect nothing less than an All-Star berth and All-NBA/Defensive honors.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    In other news, Kareem decides to mentor Dwight Howard as payback..

  • Phil B

    dude, you better be an mvp candidate already if you think it’s a good idea to stop working with kareem… and even then you must not really want to be the mvp.

  • UnRel

    maybe it ain’t arrogance.. at some point.. with all of us.. we tend to tune out our teacher/parents/boss/etc.. hopefully he learned what he needed and can put it all together.. if he went to school for 4 years.. this would be his rookie year.. around the time where most basketball players discover their hoop identity.. let’s all shut up and see what goes down (hopefully it ain’t drew with another injury)..

  • J-City

    Well Niq, Howard already has championship-less Ewing as a mentor. Maybe he’s considering a change (possibly to add the sky-hook to his game).

  • jd

    bynum sucks hes such a scrub, any other team and hed struggle to make starters. lakers have just invested so much in him they cant drop him now. stupid

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    There’s more to this than it seems. If Phil wanted to keep Jabbar around, he would. Kareem wasn’t an employee of Bynum, but the Lakers. I do think there’ll be a lot of “unrest” with this team. Repeating is always hard, and egos can get in the way of team goals. This is going to be one fascinating season.

  • Captain Jean Luc-Picard

    Bynum has shown, based on his career to date, how successful he is. Why would he need advice? (sc)

  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    Kareem shows up the next day with a Playmate on his shoulders: “How about now?”

  • Joseph

    Andrew Bynum must’ve let that championship ring get to his head.

  • deo_in_the_bay

    the guy sucks!!! cant even rebound or defend the boards,dummy……………………

  • Hussman25

    His knee will let him down again this season…. So he deserves everything that occurs to him and his knees…. Total arrogance! How you gonna turn down listening to one of the greatest big’s of all time! Kareem go back to NYC and help St. John’s! THEY CAN USE YOU!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    This is actually pretty smart of Andy. From ’07-08 to last season, he upped his ppg from 13.1 to 14.3. At the same point in his career, Kareem’s average actually plummeted by 4.6 points per. Andy wants to improve, and Kareem’s track record tells us he’s not the guy to help him do it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Seriously. You can look it up.

  • price

    Not an All STAR. But there will be a vacant center position available come February.

    Good year to have the goal to make All Star when Yao’s out.

  • Bruno

    I’m a laker fan but bynum sucks

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    J-City. I was just joking. And what’s wrong with having another mentor?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    It’s not like I made up those stats or something.

  • Pamplaskuce

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar……still household name…
    Andrew “the plug” Bynum…nobody cares…
    “he plays with Kobe”…”oh you mean that plug who can’t stay healthy long enough to accomplish anything?” “thats him….that fat plug”
    What a dou(he..no respect.

  • http://www.nicekicks.com Chris

    Wow, I still don’t see Andrew being an All Star this year. When your 6th man gets more shots than you I think you have an issue.

  • tavoris

    ryan…really? can anyone question the authority of the nba’s ALL-Time leading scorer? At least Oden stays humble…

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    @ Chris. But Jason Terry ALWAYS has more shots than Dampier. and Manu Ginobili ALWAYS has more shots than (then) Oberto (And Bonner… And any other person playing Center on the Spurs).

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    And I might as well say BG had more shots than practically the whole Bulls team.. LOL

  • MattM

    Ryan is right. Cap’s average went from 34.8ppg to 30.2ppg. Obviously Andrew doesn’t want that kind of drop off.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Thank you, Matt. You and me can work together anytime.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    I’d like to see Bynum try to average 30ppg.

  • Syk

    what the hell is he thinking? he isn’t even an all star or even close to it. he should take advantage of having such a skilled big man coach him for as long as he can.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Spaceship Jay

    But Bynum was trash last year.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ryan fished hard for that joke.

  • ClydeSays

    I doubt you’ll ever hear DHoward or Yao Ming throw Ewing under the bus. KG has nothing but praise for Russell. Etc. Etc.

    Respect your Hall of Fame elders, Andrew.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    As Cheryl said, this decision looks like it came from upstairs. The Lakers, moreso than Bynum, are distancing themselves from Kareem. Maybe they didn’t like how he was advocating for a larger role in the organization through the press? Poor Kareem and Rick Barry, they’re stil trying to make up for how prickly they were in their playing days.

  • IndyB

    Roy Hibbert would listen to him.

  • Adam

    Bynum is a Punk,

    He’s 6 or 7th on the depth chart, and he really skirts criticism having Gasol start in his place. But Having the Captain in your corner and offering advice, and shielding you from any negative press, is invaluable to anyone. As a fan of basketball guys like Duncan or Garnett would love having Kareem share his advice and support.

    Bynum is the Scott Williams of the new millennium

  • Mike Klander

    Really Bynum? You’re really going to do that to yourself? Stick it out with Kareem dude. You have a lotttt to learn.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kareem wasn’t anymore prickly than Bill Russell. Bet on it.
    Rick Barry’s teammates often despised him, from all accounts, Kareem’s teammates loved him.
    Anytime I hear an older black player described as prickly, I think one thing….
    Refused to smile if he didn’t find something funny

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Andrew Bynum sucks. He’s a a less injury-prone, glorified Greg Oden. At least Oden respects the great players of this game. Count me out of the Andrew Bynum d!ckriding, he’s been overhyped since he averaged what, 13 and 10? Give me a freaking break people; the Lakers could have won with him riding the pine the entire season. If he can’t learn from one of the greatest, just what the heck can he do?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Allenp: I think Kareem seems like a cool dude and I agree, his teammates loved him. He also respected his opponents most of the time (ie Artis Gilmore).

  • ab_40

    haha so ungratefull can he go to portland or orlando to tutor dwight or greg because patrick ewing and brian grant arn’t. I know his game isn’t finesse but still to have one of the greats of all time tutor you for free man… so abdul jabbar is gonna be the first coach for the brooklyn nets with a russian owner a rap icon as a co owner and either dwayne wade or lebron james to build with next to brook lopez and devin harris. D Wade would blow up playing next to Yi not in numbers on the court but of the court hehe

  • dial up

    I think what everyone fails to realize is that Kareem has mentored bynum for a few years now??? You can tell that it’s a waste of Kareem’s time, Bynum hasn’t improved all that much. Still horrible on d, bad o for a big man, cheap fouls.

  • http://myspace.com/2grownup2beshownup Jack

    He’s nothing without his team around him. He’ll never be nothing more than a big body anyway.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Allenp & Teddy: C’mon dude… do some research… Kareem was a pretty cool dude to his teammates, but was pretty vicious on the court (ie punched at least two guys in the face because he thought they were D’ing him up too hard. At least Jordan waited till practice to do stuff like that). He is also known to be very grumpy on the streets, getting angry if you ask him to sign autographs, ignoring people saying hi to him.
    I know the fame gets annoying, but there are hundreds of basketball players who will at least still say hi to you.
    I’ve just heard too many stories about Kareem, on-court and off, to brush it off as “older black bias.”
    Russell wasn’t as bad as Kareem. He just had… ideologies and was very vocal about them. He probably wouldn’t say hi to me on the street.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Of course, neither of them were as big of an asshole as Rick Barry. That’s besides the point. That dude was the most disliked player in the history of basketball.

  • TK

    Well Drew is making a big mistake, or at least that’s the way I see it. Yeah maybe some of Kareem’s moves don’t work anymore, but for the most part he still is an NBA legend, and you can never really learn enough from a legend. Only time will tell now if he made the right move.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dave

    He’s bustin’ his buns out there every night, and this is the thanks Bynum gives him?

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Damn, Dave, I can’t believe I didn’t think of that joke. I’m really upset with myself.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ TK: Please, if anything Kareem’s post moves would DOMINATE today’s NBA. Besides Yao Ming and Dwight Howard and maybe Shaq, who can even come close to guarding that sky hook?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    No, Shaq can’t guard the sky hook. Nevermind.

  • tavoris

    Teddy…Andrew Bynum is less injury prone than Greg Oden? Bynum is only averaging 53 games a season…

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Teddy: There is absolutely no way Yao Ming could block the skyhook. Sorry Teddy. You can’t use height to block it, you need to jump. Ming can’t get off the ground.
    I only know of Chamberlain, Hakeem, and Gilmore blocking it. The first two were amazing leapers. The latter probably got lucky.

  • Shem

    Bynum can rebound, play some D, finish strong thats all im giving him. He has no post game, he doesnt have a soft touch around the rim, and is very injury prone. Who else in the history of… basketball to be honest would be a better teacher of the post game and having a soft touch. Bynum can be so much better if he wasnt an idiot

  • Shelton

    U assholes must have never seen Bynum play? He is an excellent shotblocker, has a soft touch and is hard to defend bc of his long arms. He isn’t injury prone it was just bad luck.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    I know, Jukai, my point was that there aren’t too many real centers left in the game. That’s also why I said “come close to guarding the sky hook,” not blocking it.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, I said Yao Ming because of his sheer height, although you have a point; he barely has any hops.

  • Jon P

    Ryan Jones are u serious…lol..kareem went from 34 to 30ppg…andrew went from 13 to 14….so basically with that 4 point drop off, he STILL was averaging more than DOUBLE what AB is averaging…..i see what u were tryin to say but that was a bad example….plus he average 30 points playin with oscar robertson so yeah….good try….lol

  • John

    @Jukai: The A-Train got lucky? Really? That’s mad. Show some respect man.

    See this:

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Jon… you need some serious work on your sarcasm meter… I mean, I know it’s hard to read sarcasm in print, but seriously dude, that was really obvious and really embarrassing on your part.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Teddy: I remember reading that Kareem loved to go up against Manute Bol, and just shoot the skyhook, just to see if he could get it off on someone that much taller than him. He did. Everytime.
    And Bol had just about as much hops as Yao (just zero offense)
    But yeah, I misread your post, so sorry man!

  • Gil

    Last time Kareem got dropped off, it was by Mike Olowokandi.

    Hope Bynum really knows what he’s doing.

    Kareem knows how to get his body prepared, and stayed on the court longer than anyone. If Bynum blows again, consider him served…

  • rav

    silly little boy…

  • Shem

    You are injury prone when you ve played 85 games the last 2 years, he isnt an excellent shot blocker when hes only averaging 1 block a game, and he really doesnt have a soft touch around the rim. Hes decent but a soft touch is pau gasol, dirk nowitzki, chris bosh, tim duncan , KG etc. The second you said bynum isnt injury prone, I already cant take you seriously (OH and the lakers went to the finals both years he only played 35 and 50 games)

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Has anyone else noticed that B. Long hasn’t written a comment on this post yet? ;)

  • http://WWW.Facebook.com Watari Atari

    Wow what a dumb move for Bynum, I mean Kareem is a legand why would he not take his leadership? This Laker team this year will have a lot of arrogance (as if they didnt already)

  • josh

    this is one of the many things that will keep LA out of the finals this season.

  • Danny W UK

    Maybe they just don’t get on. A friend of mine, who shall remain nameless, worked with Cap on the Oklahoma Storm in the USBL, and he said Cap was a bit of an asshole. I wouldn’t wanna work with someone who was an asshole. I’d get Mutumbo out to help him. Or in a ‘Dream’ world Olajuwon.

  • http://slamonline.com Niya-girl-fresh

    Andrew Bynum acts like a “self centered” spoiled brat at times, he needs to know that Kareem is his big ticket to a long lasting stardom career. I guess his head is getting too big, he needs a reality check.

  • Boston Baller

    Bynum doesn’t suck per say but he is far from where he could be with the help of Kareem. He might make the ASG this year if you look at all of the true centers in the west. (Dampier, Biedrins, Camby, Kaman, Oden, etc etc) We have a spot here in Boston for you Kareem, you can chill with Russell as KG and our Bigs soak up the knowledge.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Dave

    @Ryan Jones: Nasty. You got one. :D
    @Jukai: I can’t believe nobody else thought of it, either!
    That pic of Artis is awesome.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Jukai: Ah, I didn’t know about the Manute Bol story lol. Sounds cool; it makes sense too, since Kareem was long and he could get up pretty fast with that sky hook. And he could jack the hook up from about anywhere on the court… So that reinforces your point about hops being needed. Even the best leapers though, probably couldn’t block that move without a load of luck. Which is why only 3 people actually did it.
    Any ideas as to why bigs today don’t use the sky hook? I’ve seen Yao do a version of it, and Dwight with that weird running chuck in the lane, and then some other baby hooks from dudes, but no authentic Kareem skyhook.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Bet Kareem never wore a Bynum Brigade shirt.

  • peter

    skyhook=hook shot. Just it’s got more arc. Stop acting like it’s a move outta space jam.

  • Boston Baller

    @ Teddy B: No one does a real skyhook because it isn’t glamorous and wouldn’t make the espn top 10 list. These guys would actually have to put in the work to learn it properly and that would take time from hoisting 3′s for bad percentage and dunks in traffic. Again…come on over to us Cap, you’d look great in Green.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Teddy: Two reasons. A) As Shaq said, it’s not ‘hip hop.’ It’s sort of a lame move. And B) It’s actually really really hard, it’s a low percentage move unless you put a boatload of work.

  • ENDS

    And this idiot has a ring.

  • Steve

    Time to come home and coach Bogut.

  • Billy Sunday

    what can kareem teach him besides a sky hook? bynum needs training from the dream…

  • Steve

    time to come home and coach Bogut

  • ka

    dave made me lol, u try dragging walton n lanier up and down the court 48 minutes haha

  • Sturm Drang

    Sky hook is a hook shot with more arc? It was a bit more than that. The amazing thing about Kareem is that he would hit it from far beyond the range most bigs can hit with a hook. I mean, he would get that shot to work from ranges where anyone else would shoot a jump shot, and it was just about unblockable (just blocked a few times ever and considering how often Kareem used it, it might as well be unblockable).

    The reason we don’t see it anymore is that it’s mechanically unsound. You don’t have much control over a shot with one hand that goes through that huge wind-up (and including a twist of the body, not just from the shoulder) – Kareem could hit it because he either practiced that thing like a madman or it was something his musculature was made for. Beyond a certain distance, it’s far easier to make a jump shot.

    All the same… Really Bynum, if you can’t make a 15 foot sky hook 50% of the time, you aren’t done learning from Kareem. So we’d better see you break that out during the season.

  • La Maravilla

    Men this dude really think he good like that what the hell is wrong with him can somebody tell me please how can u not talk to one of the best player of all times and after he been with u for 4 years and teach u all u know about basketball and now the he thinks he got everything he needs he dogs my men kareem men f@ck bynum I hope his other knee break going up the stairs of his house

  • Ronald

    Did anyone actually read the article?

    Cap is just going to have a lesser role with Bynum.

    According to the article, “Bynum said he still intends to work with Abdul-Jabbar in practice and watch film with him, but acknowledged their work won’t be as extensive as it was in the past.”

    Nowhere does the article state that Bynum was firing/dropping Cap.

  • rikson

    Cant nobody of ypu imagine, that its not possible to learn all aspects of todays game from a legend playing decades ago ?! I mean surely you know about the rule-changes and thats just the top of the iceberg…

  • riggs

    i have had both bill russell and kareem sign autographs for me….first time im hearing of this ish

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    LA is my team but I really don’t care about this kid that much. Yeah we need him because he is a key piece to the puzzle but I still think he could try to learn more from one of the greatest. we will see how this pans out though. play wit it.

  • Nupe

    On the surface I don’t understand why anybody wouldn’t want all the help they can get from a hall-of-famer. On the other hand, just because somebody can play, doesn’t mean they can teach/coach. MJ couldn’t help make his players better, even the guards. So MAYBE what is happening here is they realize Kareem, as good of a player he was, just can’t coach. For Bynums sake I hope he get’s better and stays healthy. With Yao out he may have an easier time making the all star team, but his numbers better be covincing.

  • Steve

    Right now I take Biedrins and Okafor before I take Bynum. Bad attitude and inconsistent.

    The extension doesn’t help, but it would be interesting to see who the Lakers could get for him … trade out potential for a decent player who has a good attitude. They have Gasol and Odom who can be more than effective at the 4/5 already … should see if they can get a half decent PG and a back up 4/5 for him.

    E.G. Conley and Gasol Jr.

  • Steve

    Conley / Bryant / Artest / Odom / Gasol Sr

    Farmar / Gasol Jr / Walton three primary bench guys.

    AI / Mayo / Gay / Randolph / Bynum

    Thabeet still off the bench but behind a far better player than Gasol Jr.

  • Mike Kirschenbaum

    Can we be totally sure it is Bynum’s idea and not management. And personally I was in favor of ending Bynum’s relationship with Kareem before he announcement. Bynum’s problem according to Jackson is he is too concerned with offense and not giving his all on defense. Hmmmm. Where could Bynum have learned that attitude. Maybe from the greatest scorer in history who was known to cheat a bit on defense. Fire Jabbar! Hire Mutumbo!!