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Monday, October 19th, 2009 at 9:00 am  |  130 responses

Report: Cavs Want Stephen Jackson

by Marcel Mutoni

In Golden State, Stephen Jackson is no longer the captain, and at this point, is virtually persona non-grata in that town. Which, according to the latest rumor, is perfectly fine with the Cleveland Cavaliers.

If the Warriors don’t want Jackson anymore — which they very much don’t; feelings between the two parties being mutual, of course — the Cavs would love to take him off their hands. He is a problem Cleveland’s front-office is more than willing to tolerate.

From the Plain Dealer:

You have not heard the last of the Stephen Jackson trade rumors involving the Cavs. According to sources, the Cavs do have an interest in Jackson and have had some internal discussions about trading for him.

With strong team leaders and Mike Brown, who is close to Jackson and coached him in two different stops, there is a belief the Cavs could harness his good qualities and suppress his bad ones that he’s been showing in an effort to get out of Golden State.

Assuming he was happy with the potential trade, Jackson would provide Cleveland with something they desperatedly need: a perimeter presence more than willing and able to take the pressure off LeBron.

For Danny Ferry and the Cavs’ front-office, on many levels, this is a gamble that may be worth taking. The question now is how much they’ll be willing to give up.

Not too surprisingly, the latest out of the Warriors’ camp is that Stephen has suddenly found it in his heart to play the role of good soldier. Gee, I wonder if the possibility that he might not be there for very much longer had anything to do with Jackson’s new outlook on life?

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  • Aussie Boy

    cavs would upgrade with him!

  • http://www.twitter.com/NotebookNick thesubwayconnection

    This would kill my fantasy team, as he was one of my keepers for this year.

  • Vikturus

    Sure it would be a upgrade for cavs but don’t know if it’s worth the risk… They’re good enough already. He’s a good defender though, we remember what he did to Dirk. Ever team needs good defenders.

  • WB30

    cavs would do a great job giving him a contract

  • Ken

    Isn’t SJax’s contract huge though? So are LBJs, Shaq’s, and Varejao’s (overpaid!). What trade scenarios would work out financially?

  • rikson

    meh… wont happen!

  • neaorin

    This rumor started about a week ago, and according to it the Warriors wanted Big Z. Not happening.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Ask Pop how Jax behaves when he’s in a good situation. Love it. Love it. Love it.

  • jrb

    unfortunately i would hav to say that the former capn jack will help the cavs make it to the finals before losing to kobe and the lakers

  • K-Nasty

    I thought the reason they bought Moon and Parker was to add perimeter presence to take pressure off LeBron. Are the Cavs just not feelin that anymore?

  • Danny W UK

    I hope the Cavs don’t do it. It just be a terrible example for other players. they can sign a big contract, decide they want out, then throw their toys out the pram, and get dealt to a contender. (Starbury anyone).

  • http://dfkjslf.com Jukai

    Is acquiring Colbe Karl not enough??

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Interesting. The Lakers have Ron and the Cavs would have S.Jax.. Anthony Parker would have a lot of playing time reduced, unless he’s included in the trade.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’ve been pushing for this trade since the damn offseason.
    If they get Stack Jack, with Bron and Shaq, it’s going to be nasty in the East this year. Three elite teams battling all year long.

  • http://claydefayette@yahoo.com CDef28

    Who haven’t the Cavs wanted this off-season?

  • http://claydefayette@yahoo.com CDef28

    Who haven’t the Cavs wanted this off-season?

  • NUPE

    If the Cavs could pull this off without giving up too much, this would be one heck of an upgrade. They have some trade bait with Mo, Moon, Parker and maybe even Hickson. I could see any two of these players being involved in the trade. Maybe even West, but because of his recent issues I think they would want to stay away from him. I heard the rumor about Big Z being involved with the trade, I don’t see that being good for either side. Big Z leaving would put too many minutes on Shaq and he wouldn’t fit in with GS too well. The only way GS would be interested in Big Z would be for the cap space next year with his contract expiring.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    It would be brilliant. Jax is never afraid of the moment. Call me crazy but I would be willing to give up Z for StackJack.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    We don’t even know if Delonte is thinking about basketball right now. Cleveland can not count on him, Stack Jack as the starting 2 and AP as the backup 1/2 would be ill. (yes, I’m completely disregarding boobie).

  • rog123

    Cavs right now, are not good enough to win a chip. Only if lebrons teammates step up in the playoffs. But I am still a cavs fan whether this trade goes down or not

  • rog123

    Addin jack would be exactly what the cavs need. Someone who always steps it up, and can shoot the 3 consistently

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    rog123, if Mo Williams gets the deer in the headlights looks come playoff time again, they’re done. If he plays with regular season swag, they at least make it to the finals. He hasn’t proved that he can produce in pressure situations yet.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    God no. Please don’t let this happen.

  • http://claydefayette@yahoo.com CDef28

    Z, they AT LEAST make the finals? They still can’t match up with Orlando.

  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    This is obviously a plot to provide cover fire for Delonte.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    This would make them the favorites in the East. Who are they gonna trade for him though? Boobie Gibson and their next 3 first round picks?

  • http://thatsbecauseheleftyallintherearviewutah fireman10101

    Sjack can work on a good team but he “claims” he is as good as anyone else in the L. He all talk, don’t do it cavs u got enough as is

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If I’m a good player stuck on a bad team, I’m fouling out of every game I play in the first quarter, feuding with the coach, and demanding a trade. What? I should help my own situation? I’m expected to be a team leader because I was given a four-year, $28 million extension and named team captain? Psh. Like that matters. Start hacking now, Devin, you’ll be a Laker in no time. Unless, that is, you’re sent to a Siberian gulag.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    CDef28, do you think it’s a coincidence that they added two long perimeter players AND intend to play Bron a lot at the 4 spot?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The idea that players should have some sort of loyalty to their teams when they and their families can be uprooted and forced to move at the drop of dime is ludicrous.
    Either sports is a business, or it’s not. From what I’ve seen in America, there is no loyalty in business. Your job will fire you, or demote you, or do whatever anytime they damn well feel like it.
    Teams do whatever the hell they want, when they want to do it. They trade players who have deep roots in the community, they trade players who have been injured trying to help the team. Hell, they force veterans to ride the pine in order to pay inferior younger players because it’s what’s best for the team’s future.
    If I was star player I’d do what would make me happy. I’d get paid, and I’d request that the team improve or trade me. Why should I play good soldier? So I can be like Kevin Garnett and have the same media that tells other players to be good soldiers question my commitment to winning because I never complained? Or point to my large contract as the reason why my team can’t compete, when that’s an obvious fallacy?
    Nah, I’m burning bridges and looking out for me. Every team in the league looks out for themselves, so why shouldn’t the players? They are just employees, and an employee who forgets he is an employee is stupid.

  • GSW Fan For Life!!

    Possible Scenarios

    Stephen Jackson ($7,650,000) for Jamario Moon ($3,000,000) and Delonte West ($4,254,250)

    Stephen Jackson ($7,650,000) and Acie Law $2,216,160 and Devean George ($1,600,000)
    for Zydrunas Ilgauskas ($11,541,074)

    Stephen Jackson ($7,650,000) and Speedy Claxton ($5,209,454)
    for Zydrunas Ilgauskas ($11,541,074)

  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    Allenp is Marion and Boozer’s agent.

  • http://slamonline.com Nbk

    Zydrunas Ilgauskas, JJ Hickson and a conditional 1st round pick. It will look like the Pau Trade

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Anton
    So, you would feel loyalty to a job that could force you to uproot your family at the drop of dime just because they paid you a lot of money?
    How about the job you have now? Do you feel loyalty to the corporation? Do you feel like you should sacrifice what’s best for you and your happiness just to benefit the organization?
    I don’t understand why people expect NBA players to think any differently than venture capitalists? Or CEOs? Or anybody who gets paid an absurd amount of money. Do people expect Donald Trump to be loyal? How about Alex Baldwin and Tracy Morgan? Do they owe something to NBC because they get to work on 30 Rock? Should they be grateful and be good soliders if the quality of the writing sucks and they start to look stupid?
    The problem is that for some reason people have been trained to expect loyalty from players. They’ve also been trained to cheer for corporations that turn a tidy profit whether they underperform or excel. It’s a weird situation.
    Like I said earlier, if you’re an employee and you ever forget that you’re an employee, than you’re stupid.

  • http://slamonline.com Nbk

    or Tim Duncan

  • la huey

    well, said Allenp.

  • la huey

    also, Mike Brown’s offense is far too complex to add any key pieces at this point.

  • http://claydefayette@yahoo.com CDef28

    So z, Shaq can run with Howard?

  • http://slamonline.com Nbk

    la huey @ haha

  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    la huey’s words cut deep

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    CDef28, Howard has never crushed Shaq 1vs1 since he entered in the league. Look it up. Howard is not nearly as effective when he can’t just bully ppl down low. Perks give him all kinds of trouble too. / I have no come back for Mike Brown’s offensive schemes. Beyond disgusting. High screens for Bron’s for 46 minutes and 1-4 lows for the last 2 minutes. It took him 4 games to figure out that Pietrus and Lee couldn’t even dream of stopping Bron 1vs1 in the high post.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    AllenP are you crazy? I am in the military. I make 40 thou a year. They uproot us and send people who I work with for training/war all the time. For a HE11 of alot less then 11 mil. Yeah loyalty would be great. If I can do it and not complain to the media for 40 thou a year. SJax can do it for 11 million… or whatever ridiculous ammount of money he does it for. GTFOH. It’s a business but have some pride!!

  • Izzo

    Allen: What’s your take on the Ricky Rubio situation.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Touche on Duncan.
    Duncan is an anomaly. His organization is an anomaly.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Sjax is a great player. I do like him. But he reminds me of the guy who parks. Goes into a store. Comes out, and next to his car is a man who felt out of his wheel chair. He stares, walks over, looks to see if he had a paint chip on his new Bens, hops in a drives away.
    Reminds me of J.R. Smith. Big babies trying to act tough because they have “swagger” during a good game. Some of these guys need an eye opener.
    Anyways enough of the rant.
    Huge upgrade if the Cavs get him. Depending what they give up.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    James the Balla
    So, you’re argument is that if you choose not to complain about a situation, nobody else is allowed to complain?
    Or, your argument is that only people who make 40gs a year get a chance to complain?
    Is your attitude the one common among military personnel and their families? Because, in my dealings with military folks who have had to do several deployments, or who have had trouble navigating the VA, they have no problem complaining when they feel wronged.
    Complaining doesn’t make you a whiner, it makes you unhappy.
    The prevailing opinion appears to be that if you make millions of dollars and you play sports you don’t get to complain. Period.
    Well, unless we agree with you, then you get to complain.

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Izzo
    Like I said from the jump, Rubio made a business decision that would benefit he and his family.
    Attempting to pretend it was anything but that is lame.
    I have no problem with Rubio making a business decision. Just like I had no problem with Brandon Jennings making a business decision.
    The NBA and NCAA are not looking out for players. They are looking out for the NBA and the NCAA. Players are disposable commodities. No player is bigger than the league in the opinion of league officials.
    So, if I was a player I would always remember that. I would always remember that I am a cog in the system, and it makes since for me to be worried about my well being as a cog, not worried about the well-being of the system.
    That doesn’t mean I’m lazy, doesn’t mean I don’t do my job. It means that I make my business decisions the same way the company makes its business decisions. Based on what’s best for me.
    It’s really funny to me that y’all don’t see it this way. I mean, have y’all not noticed how easily companies make “business decisions” that ruin people’s lives? Why would you be loyal to a corporation?

  • JD

    Please may this not happen

  • http://slamonline.com Nbk

    all this time i always thought james was a 12 year old kid

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    James tha Balla
    Why would you say that about Jackson?
    Are you unaware of the charity work he’s done in his hometown of Port Arthur, Texas? Did you know he was a gang member as a child and has worked and given money to programs designed to aid young people in the same situation?
    That was a crazy analogy you used, and I’m curious how you stumbled upon it.
    And I wonder if you made the same points about Kobe when he was asking for a trade a few years ago?

  • Izzo

    Allen thanks, I wanted to see if your view was consistent. And I agree. No team should keep a player that doesn’t want to be there, it makes no sense. But if they don’t deal him, he needs to see out his contract to the best of his abilities, as any good employee would. Or is supposed to.
    James: The two situations are completely different, you are being paid to be an unquestioning servant of the state, the other guy is being payed to play basketball.

  • http://slamonline.com Nbk

    james the balla you don’t know jack

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    anyone want to join a fantasy league, click my name and leave a message on the chat box…the league consists of SLAM (ex)posters

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Cosign everything allenp has said. And I’m sorry james the balla but loyalty is an actual job requirment for the military. And you know what you sign up for , lots of moves possibly war. I’m not downgrading it at all but its so completly different.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    No my argument is that “yes it is a business”. You make MILLIONS. Not Thousands… MILLIONS. You can complain. But don’t act like my little brothers friends who don’t get to go to the skateboard park at night.
    A grown ass man. Who is in the top 5 percent of North America for income. And he complains about what? And you want to talk about it’s a business. Play with pride until you get traded. And if you have to uproot your family, realize that yeah it sucks. But you can sleep on your king size bed, with your 8 bedrooms 9 bathrooms, and 6 cars surrounding you. He isn’t getting uprooted and making less then 100 grand a year with minimal beneffits and an hour commute in traffic, while not being able to go to the gym or have off time because you work 12 hour days. NO… you are complaining about making millions in a business, that is what you love to do. he gets a promotion “captain”. And complains. He goes up against the best businesses in his job “kobe”, and loses but cant be fired nor lose money. And yet this man complains. He is acting like a stuck up c()nt. Grow a set, suck it up buttercup. I do not feel bad for guys like SJax who feel the world owes him the sun even when he is in the shade.

    Complaining is one thing. Crying like a b1tch and making a bad situation worse, is a different situation. I am not a fan anymore.

  • http://slamonline.com Nbk

    RV – my work wont let me leave messages in your box, some Blog block thing idk but im down

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    It is different. I agree. And Izzo, it’s not the State. I am Canadian lol.
    All I am saying is that it’s bullsh!t for him to act like a baby. Play your hardest and stop whining. It’s a business. But at least show some heart. Try and be a leader, or a veteran like you ARE.
    If I was his boss lol, I would keep him where he was. He can only go so long crying, until he wants to play ball again.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    The problem with everything is that most people if they don’t like their working situation are able to put in notice and seek employment elsewhere, in sports you can’t do that. The teams keep you until they have no use for you anymore and you can’t do sh*t about it. It was like this with the marbury situation last year they didn’t want him and he didn’t want to be there but he wasn’t allowed to go somewhere else until the team decided he wasn’t useful anymore its kind of screwed up. If jax wants a trade he should be allowed to voice it without consequence.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Izzo, I disagree. The Lakers kept Kobe when he wanted to bolt and it led to another championship. Basically, everyone acts for their best interests. They figured that an unhappy Kobe was better than no Kobe. An unhappy Kobe will still give his all on the court (unlike an unhappy Vince) and will not disrespect his organization (unlike an unhappy Jax). They made a business decision, a rational one at that. Kobe cares waaaaay too much about legacy and stuff like that to sabotage his stats and stuff, they knew that. Jax does not give a flying eff about anything, really. GSW should get rid of him as soon as they can because it ain’t getting better.

  • Izzo

    James: The state=the government.
    Z: In my defence, I think Kobe should be considered an extraordinary circumstance.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Thats it Z. Kind of what I was trying to say. Thanks.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    What about the owners honoring their side of the contract? Do you think they got jax resigned by saying “from here on out we’re gonna suck but you’ll get paid” of course not, on their end of the bargaining table was probably a promise to remain at least competitive. If things go south a player should be allowed to say he doesn’t want to be a part of a sinking franchise and if you have been as good to the warriors as jax was at one point they should respect him enough to trade him or release him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    @Bryan when Monta gets injured and players don’t play good. It’s hard to stay competitive. Monta is back, They have a solid rookie. Jax WAS captain. Biedrins, or whatever his name is is plaing good. I still think it’s f()cked up.
    I know what you meant, but in the great North you never hear “working for the state” lol.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    James
    What you are saying is that because Jackson makes what to you is an absurd amount of money, he has forfeited certain rights.
    He makes millions, he can’t complain.
    I say that’s crap. He can complain. He can complain all the damn time. I don’t have to agree with him, but I’m not going to tell him to shut up either.
    Golden State made business decisions to lock up certain players and let other players walk because they wanted to keep making as much money as possible. Period.
    Stephen Jackson has realized that, and is now upset because he was told their was a committment to winning. There is not. There is a commmittment to making a profit.
    The thing is, people get upset with players for wanting to make as much money as possible while working under optimum working conditions, but they seem to give organizations a pass for DOING THE EXACT SAME THING!
    Like the Lakers. They didn’t dump Shaq because Kobe wanted him gone. They dumped Shaq because he wanted another $100 million extension and the team figured he wasn’t worth it. Didn’t matter that Shaq had just made Jerry Buss tons of money while returning to Lakers to prominence as an organization. Nope, the Lakers made a business decision.
    See how that works?

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    AllenP is on point there. In this capitalist system, all that matters for corporations is the money. Loyalty to employees is just some lip service companies give as long as profit is being made, and all employees whether they’re making $11/hour or $11 million should remember that.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How about the Suns?
    One of the main things they lacked was a backup point guard for Steve Nash. They had several first round draft choices that they could have turned into backups, one of which they could have turned into Rajon Rondo.
    But, Suns owner Robert Sarver didn’t want to pay the luxury tax because that would have reduced his profits. So, despite the fact that he’s getting a slice of the league profits, despite the fact that his team is selling out games left and right, despite the fact that he has lucrative marketing deals with local organizations, Sarver orders the draft choiced traded away in order to increase his profits.
    Business decision.
    I can go down the entire damn league and point to business decisions. Even the Spurs have made “business decisionss.” Every team in the league makes “business decisions” and it’s an accepted operating procedure. When players make them, they are greedy bastards.
    Y’all are simple.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    NBK, are you cool with posting your email on here? If you are, just post it and i’ll email you the invite

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    NBK, post your email on here if its cool with you and i’ll send u and invite

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    does the comment box now have a delay or something??

  • http://slamonline.com Nbk
  • http://slamonline.com Nbk

    the comment box has had a delay for me for about 3 months

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Yeah same NBK. Every second post is a delay for me.
    @Allen. I am not saying he is giving up the right to complain. But the way he is doing it. If I was making millions to play ball. I am hoping that I still keep the qualities my mother instilled in me to do the best I can. Work hard. And be happy. Jax may not have that in him. But we have seen from his past he is very loyal. Why try and screw GSW and be a d1ck. If they were trading him to the Kings, for less money, his family can’t live in Sacramento with him and he ws going to be back up, back up SG. Then I could see him complaining the way he is (maybe). We don’t live in a society of an eye for an eye. I would like to think some people have more dignity.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    James
    We’re not talking about compromising our principles as a man. I never said Jackson should dog it.
    Jackson had a public blow up with his coach when he felt the refs were treating him unfairly and his coach did not play his proper role in defending him.
    Prior to that, what exactly did he do besides ask for a trade?
    Seriously, what did he do?
    People have a problem with him asking for a trade. That’s the bottom line. They figure he got his money, he was lucky to get that money, so now he should just shut up and be happy.
    That’s crap to me. Nobody applies these same rules to everybody else in our society who makes millions of dollars. Because, contrary to popular belief, WAY more people besides ball players get paid ludicrous contracts.
    There is a mindset in this country when it comes to professional athletes that is problematic. We all understand that they get paid according to their skill level and the dearth of people able to do their jobs. Yet, we still have a problem with treating them like other similarly skilled employees.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    He didn’t say “Hey, I am the captain of this team, I am going to keep playing my heart out to hopefully make the playoffs. I don’t feel that we can make it together anymore though, this team and I are going in different directions. But I still want to be the leader of this team”. He made public a&& of himself. Lost his “captains”. Doesn’t want to play. Call his coach out. And is demanding a trade.
    Man up. Curry before he even plays a game in the NBA is seeing the Captain of the team act like a child.

  • http://slamonline.com Nbk

    he isn’t acting like a child…..he signed the extension in belief that the team would remain competitive. Everything with that organization is being handled differently then when they made the playoffs. If your a player going for 20 5 and 5 with a ring, and your team suddenly moves toward rebuilding instead of continuing toward a championship you have every right in the world to ask to be traded. And he is not acting like a child, shoot Kobe Bryant said there was no chance he would play in a laker jersey again. And don’t forget all of this started when some ignorant at a hip hop convention asked Sjax if they would make the PLAYOFFS this year? how is he supposed to react when they get worse every single year while he has been getting better?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Yes KOBE is the worst player of all time. And his decisons were the worst. We have discussed that before, I know Kobe is a terrible person.
    BUTTTTT about JAXXXX. He is acting like a baby. Why the hell is everyone else in the league not asking to be traded then? Everyone is trying to win a championship lol. If Jax though there were close … and now they are not close. He is retarted. Give GSW Chris Paul, and a solid Center and they are 6th in the West. Why isn’t Kevin Martin demanding a trade? KD? Jamison? Nash? How come Amare isn’t making scenes like this? The Suns have basically went from top to bottom. And Amare talks about wnating to be traded. But still working his a&& off.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    O and has there been anyone that the Cavs have NOT wnated this off season lol. Every time a free agent come sup or someone who wants to be traded or a vet coming back from retirement. The Cavs want him. If it was up to the Cavs the would have 35 players on the roster!!

  • http://slamonline.com Nbk

    the suns won 48 games last year james, that is not the bottom of anything. infact thats 5th in the east. Kevin Martin does not have a championship ring, or even any playoff experience, plus he didn’t sign an extension expecting the playoffs, Jackson did. Antawn is still on a playoff team idiot. Kevin Durant is still developing in the PERFECT situation for a player in his position. You can’t see the differences? are you sure your not 12?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Yeah with Shaq playing amazing. Where is Shaq now lol? Are they winning 48 this year? You SAID, getting worse every year … I would assume the Suns got worse, no? And what seed was Antwan and the Wizards in last year? Who did they play in the playoffs I dont remember … idiot lol.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    some people are smart enough to realize that when a star player is injured and his other 2 aren’t completely healthy either a playoff team can have a bad year. The wizards are a top 6 team in the east at worst, if you don’t get that you don’t get basketball. The suns actually will have a very similar record to last year considering all 13 players are happy, and that 48 wins last year was the worst record the suns have had since 2002. So considering passed success, and the fact that the Suns are back to their old ways, it would be safe to assume they will be better, or atleast playoff bound unlike last year. plus we are talking about this year not last year

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Anyways. Gym time. That paragraph makes no sense. You are making false accusations to make your points sound valid. If the Suns are better then last year. I will stop commenting.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    BTW, I’m not passing judgments on Jax or the Warriors. To both, I say: DO YOU. That’s it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    you should prolly stop commenting then. The suns are going to win between 50-53 games this year. By doing what they did with D’Antoni – blowing out lottery teams and suprising playoff teams. Shaq did not improve phoenix in any way

  • davidR

    james, the funny thing is, the season hasn’t started and you’re already assuming jax won’t try if he’s given the time. sure he’s unhappy, but why don’t you wait until the REAL games start to see how he plays?

  • davidR

    however, given the past, if jax doesn’t get playing time i’m sure it’s to assume nellie’s behind it. don’t believe me? see: baron davis, al harrington, jamal crawford, tim hardaway, chris webber, mikael piet…

  • davidR

    lastly, it makes me very sad that the warriors are essentially a farming system who will give away great players to playoff teams to play pivotal roles. james, what’s the point of showing loyalty to the warriors? do you remember jason richardson? dude said he wanted to retire as a warrior, even placed an article in a local bay area newspaper apologizing for not making the playoffs. he then gets traded the next season for brandon wright.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If Stephen Jackson’s primary concern was winning, he would have stayed in San Antonio for less money. Instead, he signed with Atlanta to be the man and get his numbers up so he could make more money. He parlayed that into a deal with Indiana. Then after that went sour, he came to Oakland, and parlayed an unlikely playoff run into the extension he signed last season, one that hasn’t even kicked in yet.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Russ i am pretty sure a guys primary concern can change.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    When did Jackson say his primary concern was winning?
    I’ve heard him say numerous times his primary concern is taking care of his family, which in basketball speak means getting as much money as possible over the course of a very short career in relative terms.
    After he gets his money, he would like to win.
    This is pretty much standard procedure for every athlete. I can only think of a handful who have turned down enormous contracts “to win.” Hell, Steve Nash is considered the consumate professional and teammate and he left a Dallas team on the cusp of the Finals for “money.” Nobody accused of him making money his primary concern over winning, they accepted that he wanted to win and get paid.
    Athletes are employees. Like all employees they want to make as much money as possible in the best possible working conditions.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ok but he already has his money….its not like they can take the contract he already signed away from him

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    NBK and Allen. Read what Russ just wrote.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    you read what everyone wrote

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Right, he got his money, now he’s worried about winning. Russ appears to be saying that because Jackson positioned himself to make as much money as possible, his primary concern is not winning.
    I agree. His first concern, like most athlete’s first concern, is making as much money as possible during their career. Then they worry about winning.
    Some players, like say Tim Duncan and even Gilber Arenas, have turned down millions to help their team, but typically those cats are still getting massive contracts. Both Arenas and Duncan still signed $90 million contracts when they took a “reduction” in pay.
    Jackson bounced around Europe before finally sticking the league. I’m sure his primary concern is making enough money to take care of his immediate and extended family for generations. His secondary concern is winning a ring while doing it. Or at least being competitive.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    well wtf does what he wanted 4 years ago matter? he11 what does what he wanted 5 months ago matter? its what he wants now. He knows he is getting his money. So bringing up the fact that he normally is about money is irrelevant. (whether it is to you doesn’t matter, it is to him)

  • lol

    this is the funniest thing ive ever seena bout basketballyet not really related , mo may not ave been the best durin the playoffs but he was still greatduring the reg. season, anthony carter could prob do great if he gets playing time(as a role playr) and with a startin lineup of james, mo , carter,shq, z/verajao, also with jax’s huge salary theyll never afford to keep james if they trade for jax and STILL keep their good players(unless Z really does retire)

  • Yesse

    Who the heck are they trading for him?Stephen is improving alot and could be alot.Cavs might have to lose a bit for him.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Big Z (expiring contract), JJ Hickson. And a conditional future 1st round pick. it will be just like the Pau Gasol Trade

  • lol

    so overall itll be a ripoff to gsw……

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I’d like to sign a $20 million guaranteed contract with the National Enquirer, then act like a total jerkoff because they’re not focused on winning National Magazine Awards, and demand a move to Esquire with the same pay. Too bad I can’t. I’m about done with pro sports.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Anyway, whatever. I hope they trade him and win 50 games. Biedrins, Randolph, Morrow and Ellis is a good, young core. And if Curry works out, all the better. The way I see it, the Warriors gave Jax the extension they did (and the captaincy) because they hoped he’d be a leader. Clearly they were 100 percent wrong. I’d send him anywhere, for anybody.

  • lol

    still since jax is still a good player ud wanna get someone or something good out of it just not somewere in ur division

  • haus

    There is absolutely 0% chance of Hickson being thrown into this deal…Hickson is very close with LeBron and and Hickson has huge potential. The entire organization is high on him…he’s not worth an overpriced 31 year old at the end of his prime. It would most likely be Z and him only (but only with a buy-out arrangement, similar to what McDyess did last year with the Pistons.) The person that SLAM is quoting in this article (Brian Windhorst from the Cleveland Plain Dealer) also said that Hickson would never be involved in a trade for Capt Jack. Rule number 1 for GM’s in NBA: NEVER trade big for small. So it’s already out of the norm but would be completely ABSURD to do 2 bigs(Hickson, Z) for 1 small. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever going to happen…i saw you posted that trade proposition twice on here…may as well delete then now..

  • Mack

    Zyrdunas to Warriors? Ha, that would be a joke. He’ll get bought out if he does

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Wow, solid post Russ.
    At least someone sees what I see.

  • Waylonakolipse

    The Warriors should get Powe, Williams, and draft picks out of this deal for Jackson and Curry.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Russ , if you didn’t like your position with the enquirer you could quit and offer your services to another magazine.

  • haus

    Waylonakolipse,

    The money doesn’t even come close to working out…nor would they trade Williams.

  • BostonBaller

    #1 It is a business and the owners treat it as such. #2 The players get paid millions to “play”#3 They can complain but still should play to the best of their ability when on the court. # 4 The team can’t “NOT” pay a player b/c he isn’t holding up his part of the contract or pay him less b/c he is under performing. #5 I don’t cry for any player or coach when they get the boot b/c they will never starve or be homeless unless they are complete morons. #6The NCAA & NBA are all about themselves but the players get theirs too, college players get a “free” education and hopefully take advantage of it and they get exposure to get to the next PAID level. #7 It’s no secret that corporations do not care about the worker bees but the bees getting honey need not stop producing while they buzz their complaints. #8 The league will allow Jackson to go to Cleveland so that James has a better shot at the MEDIA FINALS, I mean NBA Finals.

  • BostonBaller

    Great analogy using the National Enquirer Mr. Bengtson. However, in business it is frowned upon to leave your job w/out giving your employer 2 weeks notice even though you can get “fired” (laid off) without the 2 weeks noticed. That doesn’t mean I stop producing or showing up for work if I think I may get fired. In REAL life you can’t do what players do as far as complaining and not performing on purpose (in the public eye mind you) then get shipped to another team and still get paid well. In the REAL world you would get fired and wouldn’t get a good reference. Sports and REAL world are not parallels.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    SJax for AV. Play Bron at the 4-spot. Collect rings.

  • Shem

    This just isnt even fair! Okay I dont know who the cavs are going to trade but i m pretty sure it ll be a couple draft picks. The cavs will be STACKED! LeBron, Delonte, Williams, Parker, Moon, Varejao, Shaq, Ilgauskas, Gibson, Stephen Jackson etc. This would definetly be the best team on paper.

  • autoprt

    they are going to have to give up Gibson,
    cash and possibly a pick but at this point they
    gotta get Jackson out of there he is doing whatever
    possible to poison the team to leave.

    he is good in situations when he is happy though.

  • AiRsMiTh

    I could go for cash and a draft pick and some journeyman, I just want to clean out the front office and get a new owner for the team. Then I could hopefully watch the talent that this team has already blossom. I don’t care about the Cavs but if the trigger is pulled, I wish the best for Jackson.

  • DALLAS STOKES

    Cavs 1 Shaq 5 Stack 2. It is written.

  • B

    I’m almost sure James is either 12 or just plain ignorant.

  • la huey

    stop mentioning gibson like he’s a solid player guys. he’s little more than a younger damon jones.

  • Solon

    Please get this cancer off our team. he’s really good, I swear! Look last preseason game-22 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds. See: You should take him Mr. Ferry.
    Sincerely,
    The Warriors

  • dma

    what in the world would the warriors do with boobie? curry, monta, law, and now boobie?

  • Solon

    ON this argument note AllenP, James, etc are having. I have no problem with Stack asking fro a trade-players do that all the time. Our owners are dumb and offered him waaaayyy more money and years then any other team would have given him, so he won that round. But I DO have a problem with how he did it. He basically said F(_)CK YOU to the Fans. The most loyal fans in the NBA who have supported one of the most decrepit franchises in the NBA for decades. We gave our hearts to Steven Jackson after no other team in the league wanted him. He fought with frickin fans!!! The pacers just wanted to get him the H*ell out of dodge, and we revitalized his career. Made him a star again. And then he basically takes a shit in our front yard, makes himself almost untradable with his stupid antics.
    It’s a business, sure, and the Owners do for themselves just like the players should. But it is unfair to the people who have supported this team with their hard earned money, paying more and more every year for tickets, and give their love and support to all the players.
    It is Bullcrap, and he has to get traded now becasue of all this sh*t. He needs to give the fans an apology for his actions, because all we did was support him and give him the opportunity to play basketball for a living-the BEST DAMN job in the world. Stop your bitching, ask for a trade to ownership if you really feel like yo need out, but don’t do it the way you did, alienating yourself and making it almost impossible to trade you. That is stupid, classless, greedy, immature, lazy, unprofessional, and generally garbage in every way.
    Mr. Jackson, you used to be my Hero. You are dead to me now.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    the warriors wont do the trade. And cleveland will do whatever it takes to keep lebron. If hickson and lebron are that tight you are right they wont trade him, but the whole don’t go big for small, or young for old…wont apply, its called keep lebron in cleveland, that is their only motive don’t get it twisted

  • haus

    The thing is, I never said they wouldn’t do big for small…what i did say is that they would be medically insane to do 2 bigs for 1 small. I wouldn’t twist things any other way…I live 20 mins from Cleveland, I think i know it’s do or die this year.

  • NUPE

    GS wants to get rid of him and a lot of teams are to affraid to take him. If Mike Brown has a good relatiship with him already, cavs may be the most likely candidate. With salary cap considerations and next years lottery of talent it’s hard to say what kinds of deals make sense. Maybe bigs for a small would work if you want to free space after next season.

  • Beer Money

    The Cavs need to trade for Stephen Jackson or the Warriors will trade him to the Lakers for Adam Morrison and Jordan Farmar; creating a dynasty in Los Angeles with Fisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Jackson etc. All the Warriors want are expiring contracts and unfortunately, that would mean a trade of Stephen Jackson and Speedy Claxton for Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Or, Stephen Jackson, Acie Law, and Devean George for Zydrunas Ilgauskas. The Cavs should check to see if the Warriors would be willing to waive Z in time for a Cavs playoff run and then pull the trigger, otherwise LeBron will be gone next year in order to build a team that can compete with the Lakers.

  • WOODY

    Shaq can play 20-25 minutes for about 60 games a year and be in shape for the playoffs where he’s needed. If the Cavs trade Z they have no center for 2/3 of the time and won’t get past the first round. Sound like a good deal – I thought not.

  • Beer Money

    Man, this is an easy deal. The Warriors have no interest in any other player on the Cavs than Big Z for Stephen Jackson. But, do the Warriors plan to keep Z long term – doubtful! The Warriors are the youngest team in the NBA; Z will probably only play with them as a back up PF because Brandan Wright is hurt. And when the Warriors are eventually eliminated from the playoffs this season (as early as Christmas), they will have no interest in keeping Ilgauskas and he will be waived. The Cavs just need to win as many games as possible, then pick up Z for the playoffs. So, the Cavs get Jackson and keep Ilgauskas. Win a championship and the Cavs can also keep LeBron. Why would LeBron go anywhere else if he can win a championship at home?

  • Mason Jar

    Jackson just might calm down and get right with Cleveland. But I’d HATE to see us lose big Z. The Shaq/Z rotation is just too good. And Z is a better shooter than Wild Thing. Give ‘em D-Block and JJ. Or JJ And Boobie. (I have no idea if these work financially though) Keep Coby Karl and Barrett. Waive the others. That’s 15. And you have to consider what would be left if we lost Lebron. A healthy Powe, Moon AND Stephen Jackson makes that team MUCH stronger.

  • http://www.flashgamesgalore.com arcade

    Stop the non sense, Jax would be a big upgrade for the Cavs, and could be that “real” missing piece…

  • http://www.pinnacle.com DJ PInnacle Strews

    Yes! Trade Lebron + Shaq for Jackson + Biedrins!

  • DJ PInnacle Strews are you retarded!?

    wow how stupid can you be dj

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