Thursday, November 12th, 2009 at 12:45 pm  |  37 responses

Coulda Been Joakim

The prospect of Noah playing in Toronto still tantalizes fans.

by Pardeep ToorJoakim Noah

Attracted to the goofy, wild hair, weak beard and childish energy, I’ve always been a fan of Joakim Noah. But watching him combine his athleticism and crazy — becoming a consistently productive NBA player — has not been easy.

He showed flashes last season while playing the best ball of his career in the first round against the Boston Celtics (steal… dunk… and one!). But this season, Noah has come back, morphed from a child into a man. No, seriously, for the first time in his career he has muscles and is using them to average 11.4/12.3/2.3 through eight games, plus his fifth double-double on the year last night against his former team, the Toronto Raptors.

Former team? Uh?

The bitter fan in me still imagines Noah as a Raptor. Still believes that had he came out after one of the most dynamic and exciting individual tournament runs of all-time. After his sophomore season at Florida, there’s reason to believe that Joakim Noah would have been the No. 1 pick in the 2006 Draft and the Raptors would have taken him instead of the mysterious Italian who showed up on draft boards mere months before the Draft (who also happens to be allergic to rebounds).

Noah was the NCAA Tournament star in 2006, averaging 16.2 points, 9.5 rebounds and 4.8 blocks in six games, including a calculator-crunching 16 points, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 5 blocks and 3 steals in the first round against South Alabama and an absurd 21 points, 15 rebounds and 5 blocks against No. 1-ranked Villanova (Randy Foye/Kyle Lowry/Allan Ray-led team) in the Elite Eight.

Even before the Final Four, DraftExpress and ESPN’s Chad Ford had him pegged as a top-five overall pick. After the championship, Ford projected Noah as a top-two pick overall. There were questions about his ugly jump shot, wiry frame and absence of strength necessary to play in the frontcourt at the NBA level. But the numbers, quirky attitude and excitement for the game still had Noah projected as a solid NBA prospect, especially in the mediocre 2006 Draft class. The Raptors needed to acquire a big man to complement Joakim NoahChris Bosh, and Noah seemed like the best choice.

(Seriously, the 2006 Draft class was broke – Brandon Roy is a lone all-star, and even he had serious questions surrounding him about his health before the draft. Adam Morrison, Sheldon Williams, Randy Foye, Thabo Sefolosha have all been traded/cut at least once. Patrick O’Bryant and Mouhamed Sene were last seen on milk cartons and nothing intriguing can be said about JJ Redick. Joakim Noah could very well have went first overall that year.)

But Noah didn’t come out. He stayed at Florida with fellow Gators Al Horford and Corey Brewer to make one more title run. Philosophically, Noah staying at Florida for the sake of camaraderie and another championship was a beautiful story. Making a return was rare then, but it becomes even more remote today, as the one-and-dunzos impede the college landscape.

It was fitting that the veteran Florida team combated the freshman-infested Greg Oden/Mike Conley squad in 2007. Even though college players had been leaving early for years and, in many cases, not even attending college, the championship match was a perfect tipping point from the ‘old’ way to the ‘new’ way ahead. It was a clash of viewpoints on not only sport but education – those who attend school with a purpose in mind (make the NBA, get a job) and those attempting to immortalize the journey. The journey prevailed but Noah’s numbers declined, and so did his draft stock. He was picked ninth in the 2007 Draft, a far cry from first overall that he almost assuredly would have been taken a year prior, costing him approximately $2 million a year for the duration of his rookie contract.

The irony of the Noah’s decision to stay is that he is a perfect big man to play alongside Bosh and would solve a lot of the Raptors’ problems this season. Interior defense, penetrating guards and rebounding has been brutal in Toronto this year. Noah would fortify the paint as shot-blocking threat and grab more boards than any current Raptor big — his 12.3 rpg doubles 2006-Noah-substitute, Andrea Bargnani, who is averaging 6.4 rebounds a game so far. Not good.

Offensively, Noah doesn’t need the ball in his hands to produce, opening up more shots for the Raptors’ perimeter-heavy offense. Defensively, he can switch on pick and rolls anJoakim Noahd still disrupt smaller guards, guard the other team’s best post player – masking Bosh’s defensive inefficiencies. Bargnani doesn’t provide those ‘minor’ luxuries, preferring to hang out on the perimeter, adding more outside shooting on a primarily jump-shooting team.

Then there’s the issue of attitude – the swagger that Noah brings on the court, bumping his chest after his signature outstretched one hand slam and the impact that has on the team.

But now I’m just teasing Raptors’ fans and especially myself. Noah didn’t happen. It was close but the projected top pick in 2006 made the controversial decision to stay in college, a decision that may never be made again by a lottery bound baller but unfortunately was made the year the Raptors’ had the first pick overall and a player who has the skills to complete many of their weaknesses could have been available. For my own sanity, I have to stop pretending like Noah could have been a Raptor. As he gets better, it’s just going to get worse. Still, so close.

Pardeep Toor is the co-founder of It’s Just Sports where he gets philosophical about basketball. Follow him on Twitter.

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  • ..

    That headline should be changed to fan singular.

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    sorry but this is the most absurd article of all time…Noah is a nice enery guy who would combine well with mr.Bosh but hes no first or second pick IN ANY DRAFT and 2006 had 1 franshise player and a probable future all star in Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge plus Bargs, Rudy Gay and Rondo so well…Toronto fans must be happy youre not their GM

  • doyouwantmore

    LOL No doubt. I’d still take Bargnani. (True about the rebounding, though)

  • http://myspace.com/rsaenz24 rog123

    Noah over Bargs??? Are u serious? Come on, dirk was dominating the nba, so why wouldn’t they want a possible dirk?? Noah is a very good hustle player who’s role on a championship team would prolly be the 6 or 7 man. Ala varejao, lee, birdman. I’m not comparing thir games, just their roles on a championship team

  • jj

    lol. this is a joke, right? bargnani will prove to be a much better player than noah, if not already – his i.q. is MUCH higher, and having the outside game he is coming into his own inside. how were you able to keep a straight face writing this?

  • http://www.slamonline.com kh

    Cause he rebounds better? Wow. These 2 are even the same players!

  • rainman10

    rog123…why are you talking about role on a championship team? Would “Bargs” start on a championship team? Some of you missed the entire point of the article. This is a Raptor fan talking about the weaknesses of the current team, and how having Noah would solve many of those problems. If Noah had left school after that first championship, the Raptors would have had the chance to take him. And looking back now, this fan believes that would have been better than taking “Bargs”. With the exception of Roy, is there a player from that draft class that would help out and fit in with Toronto more than Noah? Probably not.

  • Exile

    The author has one solid point. The Raps have to make a choice sooner or later between “Bargs,” and CB$. Thats right…CB$. Both need someone to help them down low and someone to toughen things up… Neither does it for the other…. although they are growing to make the adjustments…. one will need to be traded or let go to let the other thrive.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Joakim Noah would have been an even worse #1 pick than Bargnani. Let’s see him keep up his current production for a full season before we anoint him as some kind of franchise savior.

  • Aaron

    Pass.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    For the record, I would have been happy with the Raps taking LaMarcus Aldridge over Bargnani.

  • Pamplaskuce

    I don’t think anyone in Toronto feels this way…BarnYard can play and is slowly becoming a serious force…I hate that we could have had Roy…but I would puke in my front shirt pocket if we had drafted Noah over both those guys.

  • mando

    Could have went? Maybe you mean “Could have gone” I f you are going to write, do it right.

  • Vlad

    Dude you are a dufus. Just about the only out-of-place argument that you didn’t make is the Yannick Noah-Euro link.

    Journalism has become an amateur sport. Reminds me of back in the dot com days when the demand for IT people was so high that anyone could get a job after a year at your local DeVry. And we all know how that turned out.

    I guess it’s the fault of people like everyone in this comments section (myself included of course) who can’t get enough basketball in their diet, that these kinds of articles get hits and keep their “authors” employed.

    No offense to you personally, Mr Toor, but professionally I would recommend to you that you focus on writing less and thinking more of the message you want to send.

  • http://www.sonicbids.com doyouwantmore

    Oh snap. Vlad giving him the business.

  • http://mbenga-mblog.blogspot.com RM

    I agree with many points made here. What team in the NBA has a 4 and 5 that play outside? It hasn’t worked in the past and it never will. That being said, I still don’t believe one bit that Joakim Noah was worthy of a first overall draft pick. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Raptors go with more of a conventional style of team makeup, but I may be jumping the gun with the early season. Only time will tell. At least CB is driving to the basket every chance he gets rather then settling for that jumper. (By the way, we need to keep CB, big time.)

  • I come in peace

    I would have give this article a second thought if it was published last season. For 09-10, after 8 games and seeing how AB has done a lot more post up moves, penetrating and boxing out opponents at the post, I really have to disagree.
    Take last night’s game for example. Noah is mainly guarded by CB4 when both AB and CB4 are on the floor, why ? Its either because Noah plays the same position as CB4 and /or Noah as center can easily being matched up by a quicker PF/C. Regardless the reason, we see how many times CB4 goes to the line and at the end Noah was fouled out.
    So Noah for AB, is it really a good choice back in 2006, maybe, its a toss up, depends whether the GM at the time wants Center that can shoot 3s or you want PF that can play all F positions ? But as many great NBAer said before, you can teach rebound, but you cannot teach size, so taking AB even at 2006 seems like the right choice, provided we were not looking for another SG or SF back then.
    As for today, I won’t even give that idea a second thought, its gonna be AB all the way, seeing Noah fight for position the whole night is painful, despite he can score a lot, AB can post up against big and smaller front court players, and shoot 3s over 1,2 and 3 with ease when in mismatch situation, can Noah do that ? I guess not. So there you go, this is my 2 cents. Cheers!

  • karma

    I’m a desi and its good to see one of us writing but this article is bullshit.

    Noah has not proven to be more than an energy/hustle guy in this league, and is in the mold of JYD.

    Bargnani on the other hand, has continually improved every year and is having a great year so far.

    You hate way too easily. I read your article about why you loathe Kobe (based on his footage of training with Hakeem), and your reasoning is always somewhat flawed. Noah should not have been the top 1-2 pick in any draft, let alone in the 2006 one.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    This is crazy. As a Torontonian, I’m more excited about Bargs this year than ever. Passing on Roy was a loss, but most Raps fans would agree that Bargs is a better pick than Noah. One thing I do agree with: Noah has definitely been hitting the weight room. Dude looks BIG this year.

  • http://myspace.com/rsaenz24 rog123

    Yes, I believe bargs can definately start on a championship team. He would start in cleveland, san antonio, and orlando. Bos, and la already have top post players.

  • iLL wiLL

    AHAHAHAHAH, Vlad handled the author.

    But seriously, Noah would most definitely fill the spots the Raps sorely need, and thats a grimey, hustler who boards, blocks shots, and gives us a defensive presence.

    Straight up, I’d deal Bargs for Noah right now. Real talk.

  • knock knock

    Noah= Al horford, but taller.

  • Dagomar

    Bargnani is already a much better player than Noah, and he has more upside. Huh??

  • Dagomar

    Excellent comment by Vlad by the way.

  • lol

    Wait wat? noah was in the 07-08 draft and RUDY GAY< B ROY AND LAMARCUS ALRIDGE ARE GREAT PLAYERS

  • Rusty

    Pardeep hand in your bball pass. You have been found wanting…

  • buzarjump

    As a french NBA fan, I’m really happy that some of you appreciate Noah. This man is a real energizer and you can feel it in Chicago this year. You don’t win 2 ncaa titles in a row randomly.

  • http://twitter.com/pardeeptoor Pardeep Toor

    Thanks for the career advice Vlad. I really appreciate it. You are a champ.

    I’m really surprised by how many people actually prefer Bargy (in his 4th year) to Noah (in his 3rd year).

    Bargy is redundant on this Raps team. Noah would provide them everything they need to be competitive in a front court heavy eastern conference.

    Also, have people forgotten all the Noah hype after the 2006 NCAA tournament? He was going to get picked super high.

  • Pistol Pete

    Come on man, you honestly think that Noah shoulda, woulda, coulda been picked 1st? I doubt Colangelo is kicking himself over that decision.

  • matt

    you can drag any fringe nbdl’er to give you limited spurts of energy. pops gave us better numbers than that last year.

  • the rod

    Yeah sure, Andrea is gonna be an all star in max two years,has got the potential for 20 and 9 career averages,and you would rather have taken noah over him? U must be kiddin

  • http://Vikturus Vikturus

    Noah’s left arm at the lower pic looks huuuuge!

  • Valerio

    Ahahahah Noah over Bargnani??
    Ok, I might be impartial (yes….I’m italian, so please excuse me for my bad english) but there is no way that someone somewhere should pick Noah before Bargnani.
    I understan your point, surely Bargnani’s rebounding skills are very low, but damn he’s enough tall to “learn” how to rebound. Surely Noah would be better in rebounding but Bargnani can surely improve in that skill.
    You talk about the Noah’s career before NBA, but what about Bargnani??
    in the 2006 he won the “Rising Star Trophy” as the best Euroleague player under 22years old, he won the Italian League Championship, and he was nominated the best young player of the Italian League. And I don’t think that the NCAA is as hard as Euroleague.
    Noah can’t even think about shooting a 3, Barg. can, and as a Toronto fan you should know it.
    Bargnani just needs time to prove that he deserves the f**kin 50millions deal, I think that this could be the right year.

  • Pizzaman

    You researched your stats well, but after that it’s all down hill in terms of wisdom. Noah is a great energy guy and I love his enthusiasm and team play. I would also love to have him on the Raptors..but a number one pick? and comparing him to Bargnani? That’s where you lose me and just about anyone who knows basketball. Bargnani trumps Noah in just about every stat but rebounding where he will improve. His numbers are in the top three centers in the league and he can do almost anything. Noah has limited ability that will never make him anything but a hustle player.

  • http://slam liam

    kay how would the raps pull that off bargs was taken in the 06 draft noah was in 07 so

  • http://www.sheysmith.com Shey

    “The prospect of Noah playing in Toronto still tantalizes fans.”

    LOL, whut?? Which fans??

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