Monday, November 23rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm  |  96 responses

Everybody Hates Vince

Well, at least in Toronto.

by Bryan CrawfordVince Carter

A question came up on Twitter Sunday regarding Toronto’s “hate affair” with Vince Carter. Why so much negativity toward Vince, they asked? I had no real solid answer—at least not one that didn’t come off as being sarcastically funny—but it was a very good question nonetheless. One would think that with Vince being the first NBA star to ever play north of the border and considering how much he did for the franchise by putting the Raptors, the City of Toronto and Canada on the basketball map, that they’d hold a little less animosity towards the man and celebrate him as a hero. But they don’t. Whenever Vince comes to town he probably feels like he’s playing in front of a crowd full of Terrance and Phillip’s.

Allow me to remind you, my friends in the “Town of York,” that Vince Carter is the reason why you guys still have a team up there in the first place. Had Vin-sanity’s air show landed in Vancouver, we might have been talking about the Allen Iverson and Memphis Raptors debacle instead. So let’s not lose sight of the big picture here.

Vince Carter shouldn’t be the object of your wrath. Not by a long shot.

Dear people of Toronto, your NBA team just came into existence in 1995. By 1998 via a trade with the Golden State Warriors for his North Carolina teammate Antawn Jamison on draft day, you landed one Vincent Lamar Carter. Stop and think about that for a second. It takes some organizations a lot longer than three years to land a player who has the ability to turn a franchise around instantly the way that Vince did. And boy, did he do just that.

He won ROY in a lockout-shortened, 50-game season. The next year, he was voted an All-Star (and third team All-NBA to boot). And let’s not forget what he did during his ASG weekend debut. Remember when he put on one of the greatest displays in dunk contest HISTORY? Ever. Wearing a Raptors uniform. Let us also not forget that he led Toronto to a +22 in the win column from the year before, giving the franchise, the City of Toronto, and the entire friggin’ country its first ever taste of NBA playoff basketball. Not bad for a guy only two years in, eh?

And what did he do for an encore? He made second team All-NBA the following season. He was also voted in by the fans to be a starter for the East in the ASG. He led the team to a second place finish in the Central Division and to its first ever playoff series victory against the New York Knicks. He also came within one missed corner jumper against the Philadelphia 76ers from taking the Raptors to the ECF which would’ve been another first. Worth mentioning is the fact that the team hasn’t advanced past the first round of the Playoffs since then. But that’s neither here nor there.

And speaking of that missed jumper, what did the people of Toronto do when that happened? They bashed him for opting to attend UNC’s graduation ceremony and walking with his class on the morning prior to that pivotal Game 7 instead of resting all day in preparation for the game. I believe the word that was used was “distraction.” Wow, really?

The organization’s savior, the face of the franchise, attends team practice in Philadelphia that Saturday and then takes an hour flight down to North Carolina where he spends the night. He attends graduation on Sunday morning and is back in Philly by that afternoon, almost six hours before game time. And he did all that with the team “reluctantly” giving him their blessing. And it’s not like his decision affected his performance on the floor either.

He scored 20 points, grabbed 7 rebounds, dished out 9 assists, and had 0 turnovers that night. And the Raptors only lost that game by one point. ONE POINT! So let’s be honest here, he makes that shot and there is no controversy. He makes that shot and the people of Toronto still love him. He makes that shot and then possibly beats the Milwaukee Bucks to lead the Raptors to the NBA Finals, he never leaves town and perhaps they erect a statue of him dunking over Frederic Weis in a Raptors uni outside of the Air Canada Centre one day.

But that loss followed by all of the criticism he took for it spelled the beginning of the end for ‘Half Man, Half Amazing’ in Toronto.

The next couple of years for Vince were tough as he battled—Vince Carter & Chris Boshnot surprisingly—“jumper’s knee.” In ’02, the team won 42 games and made the Playoffs despite Vince appearing in only 60 regular season games and missing the postseason completely due to injury. The next season, still not 100 percent, VC played in only 43 regular season games and the Raptors went 24-58. The whispers of criticism started to become more and more audible.

That ‘02-03 season threw Toronto into rebuilding mode. They secured the fourth pick in the lottery and drafted Chris Bosh that summer. Lenny Wilkens was let go and was replaced by Kevin O’Neill, and the Raptors proceeded to be a pretty bad team in ‘03-04, going 33-49 which is par for the course in a rebuilding year. Vince came back to play in 73 regular season games, but his per game averages were down across the board. The team was losing and he seemed disinterested. By the end of that season, the writing on the wall was clear. The team wanted to rebuild around Chris Bosh. VC knew this and he wanted out. Twenty games into the ‘04-05 season, he’d gotten his wish. He was shipped to the New Jersey Nets in exchange for Alonzo Mourning and Eric and Aaron Williams.

That was in December. In January came the infamous interview with John Thompson on TNT.

Said Carter, “In years past… I was fortunate to have the talent. You get spoiled when you’re able to do a lot of things. You see that you don’t have to work at it.” The comment came in response to a question by Thompson on whether or not VC could still rely on his raw talent. Basketball fans in Toronto felt as if he was saying he didn’t really work hard while he was there. They felt like he was saying that he quit on the team. The hate began from that moment on.

North of the border Vince was now being called selfish. People were saying that he didn’t care for the fans that had supported him all those years. They said that he was a disgrace to professional athletes. They called him spoiled and accused him of not producing in light of the money he was being paid. They said he quit on his team. That he didn’t have heart. Yadda, yadda, yadda. And every time he comes to town now, he’s booed. That’s a pretty harsh thing to do to a guy who did so much for that organization in only six seasons. Especially considering that half the time he spent there he was hurt and couldn’t play. He didn’t do half as much for the New Jersey Nets and they gave him a hero’s welcome when he came back wearing an Orlando Magic jersey this season.

So don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Vince Carter fanboy by any stretch. I’ve seen it in Toronto and I saw it happen in New Jersey where he lost interest and didn’t seem to be playing hard when the team was struggling. So yes, he does deserve his hare of blame and maybe even some criticism. But it’s not all his fault either.

Let’s be honest, how many of us could give our all when the team that we’re playing on is no good? How many of us Vince Cartercan say that we could go out and play balls-to-the-wall night in and night out for an organization not committed to winning and fielding a competitive team? How many of us can say that we could maintain a positive attitude and remain upbeat after consistently taking Ls on a regular basis?

Crickets.

But I guess in Canada, when you’re a superstar you’re not given that luxury. I guess when you’re a superstar in Canada you’re not supposed to feel that way. I guess when you’re an American, multi-millionaire professional athlete playing north of the border, you’re supposed to go out and play hard for “their” team no matter what the circumstances. It doesn’t seem right, but it is what it is.

So I guess that’s why in Toronto… Everybody hates Vince.

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  • James Posted: Nov.23 at 2:35 pm
    Great read, thanks. And we don’t ALL hate him, just… most of us, apparently. I am still a Vince fan, went to the game yesterday and didn’t participate in the hatefest.

  • 360vue Posted: Nov.23 at 2:37 pm
    I’m not your buddy, guy! Nice article, pretty much spot on, VC probably got Raps fans hopes up and then repeatedly look for a chance to jump ship. Wonder what they’ll make of Bosh when he makes a quick exit next summer

  • Keep Posted: Nov.23 at 2:48 pm
    I do hate VC.
    I think he pulled one of the lamest moves in professional sports. I’m fine if you don’t want to play for the Raptors, whatever. I’m fine if you have personal problems with the management. I’m fine if you want to force a trade. I’m not ok if you slack off and lower your trade value so we get nothing for you. I’m not ok if you tell everyone that Toronto was a terrible place for your career. I’m not ok if you mock our team’s franchise player. Don’t pretend that Toronto just likes to jump on the hate bandwagon for fun. We’re Canadians for Christ’s sake, we love everyone….unless you pull a move like that.

  • tlam Posted: Nov.23 at 2:53 pm
    If you play hard…the fans will cheer for you. ie. Matt Bonner, Jamario Moon, Anthony Parker. Big cheers for them when they returned to the ACC. If VC player hard and made an effort all the way to the end of his stay in TO, I think people would still love him. It’s the lack of effort. I don’t see CB4 stop working hard until the final whistle…he’ll be cheered for if/when he leaves.

  • niQ Posted: Nov.23 at 2:56 pm
    From what I know, its basically just that he literally didn’t care about playing in his last years in Toronto. And regarding your last few paragraphs, that is pretty damn flawed. A few names I can think of at the top of my head who were in those situations are: Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson (playing with a crap team got to the finals), Ray Allen (in Seattle), and Kobe Bryant (after Shaq and before Pau). Oh, and don’t forget about Kevin Durant, his team hasn’t been winning much but at least he enjoys being able to play the game of basketball in the NBA.

  • Ryne Nelson Posted: Nov.23 at 3:01 pm
    Toronto would still have an NBA franchise if Vince Carter never played for the Raptors. Very supportive basketball fans in that town.

  • flipcyde Posted: Nov.23 at 3:02 pm
    I’m not your guy, friend. You’re right, VC did do all of that for the Raptors, but that is why we hate him so much. He was our superstar, he was Toronto’s hope, hell he was NBA in Canada’s hope. He had the charisma and the charm. He invested in the community. It was just the way he left Toronto that turned the passionate Canadian fanbase off. It was like he gave up. It was like he turned his back on all of us. When someone that revered by Canadian fans leaves in the manner that he did, well you can see why we bring the hate every game. The whole “Dunking is overrated”, even unwillingness to drive into the paint, giving out plays to the opposing team (then losing the game) just added to our increasing displeasure. Then came the shenanigans after he was traded to the Nets: slapping mo pete (then refs calling the foul on mo pete!) and mocking mvp chants for chris bosh among other things. The way VC left us is why we hate him so much.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Nov.23 at 3:03 pm
    niQ: Maybe with the exception of Allen Iverson, and maybe Paul Pierce, none of those other players had their cities turn on them the way Toronto turned on Vince.

  • Bryan Posted: Nov.23 at 3:05 pm
    Everyone complains when a player “quits on a team” but what about when an organization quits on its fans? What do they expect the players to do? I don’t care that vince didn’t play as hard when he was hurt and when the team obviously resigned to the fact that they sucked. Its like the knicks now I wouldn’t care if every played mailed it in for all 82 because the brass old them all up the river. Good read and I’m glad someone sticks up for vince.

  • Alfred Posted: Nov.23 at 3:05 pm
    Oh hooray! Another article white knighting Vince Carter, “hero” for the basketball masses in Toronto, and all from a smug, American point of view. Mentioning Canada dismissively while having Vince draped in the American flag only serves to further your agenda that Toronto is some backwater market that should be groveling at the feet of Carter, basking in the glow of his former Raptor greatness. Toronto is a world-class city. Period. It’s the 5th largest market in North America, and is a top 15 financial center in the world. Fullstop. First of all, you act as if the Toronto Raptors would have been relocated to Memphis already if Vince Carter wasn’t drafted by Toronto. Do you know this for a fact? Last time I checked, Antawn Jamison is still a great basketball player, and could have been the backbone of a solid Toronto team. Perhaps Tracy McGrady stays in this alternate universe, because Vince wasn’t in the equation. Who knows? You don’t, that’s for sure. Simply assuming that Toronto’s basketball team would cease to exist without Vince Carter is shockingly bad journalism and logic. People in Toronto hated Vince because he was so good, and because he gave up so easily. You mention it yourself in the article. Vince went from on top of the world, to injured, and on a team that was rebuilding. He mailed in performances, didn’t train during the summer, and eventually sulked his way out of town and miraculously recovered to lead New Jersey to the playoffs. Frankly, I’m tired of even hearing about him. I’m tired of reading articles like this one that just regurgitate five year old information, five year old arguments, permeated with juvenile pity for the city of Toronto, it which doesn’t deserve, or need. To say that your article is sub-standard is too generous. It’s a photocopy of a sub-standard article.

  • Bryan Posted: Nov.23 at 3:08 pm
    Players* and sold* f*ck typos.

  • TheR3dMenace Posted: Nov.23 at 3:13 pm
    Please consult this video, it will give the outsiders a nice insider-view of of what it was like to be a Raptors fan when Wince quit http://raptors.fandome.com/video/98606/Top-10-Reasons-Not-to-Like-Vince-Carter/

  • Rzavwa Posted: Nov.23 at 3:20 pm
    So if Orlando Magic fans can get over Shaq leaving, why can’t Raptors fans? Hell, at least you got SOMETHING for Vince. Shaq just left poor little Penny out in the cold. And Ho-G was never the same again.

  • David Posted: Nov.23 at 3:28 pm
    Nice counterpoint to the popular image of VC. Can’t front on the guy’s ability.

  • Alfred Posted: Nov.23 at 3:29 pm
    Bryan Crawford: “niQ: Maybe with the exception of Allen Iverson, and maybe Paul Pierce, none of those other players had their cities turn on them the way Toronto turned on Vince.” Paul Pierce never played for a team other than Boston, and niQ never mentioned him. What are you talking about?

  • kh Posted: Nov.23 at 3:40 pm
    Raptor fans cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it! It’s time to let go.
    All the hate only makes us (yes I am a Raptor fan and Canadian) look bad.

  • niQ Posted: Nov.23 at 3:41 pm
    I wasn’t talking about cities turning on players, I was talking about players who went all out even though their teams were (basically) crap.

  • Romel Posted: Nov.23 at 3:43 pm
    Vince still remains one of my favourite players. Never had any animosity towards him when he was traded. The day after he was traded, I went to game wearing my VC jersey, chanting, “Bring back Vince” I was lucky to make out of the ACC alive that night. I still wear his jersey when I’m playing ball and get my share of hard fouls and the occasional guy trying to rip my jersey. My Toronto peeps need to get over it and stop booing the man. Like or not, VC made the Raps. I’m glad to see Vince on a championship contending team. Hopefully the Raps can get there one day. Bosh is great, but without a SG or Small forward who can command attention like Vince, they have no chance.

  • Homie Posted: Nov.23 at 3:53 pm
    Vince is a whole lot of untypable things that can be considered euphemisms for the female naughty bits. He quit on Toronto, plain and simple. He’s a loser.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Nov.23 at 3:56 pm
    niQ: I guess what I’m trying to say is, people want to be in a place where they are appreciated. Bashing him for going to graduation? Then when he was HURT and COULDN’T compete, dissing him and accusing him of not playing hard and quitting on the team, etc? All I’m saying is, I don’t blame him for wanting out. After all he did for that team and that city and that’s what he got in return? Like I said, he’s not blameless, but he’s not 100% at fault either. But you know, that’s just my “smug, American point of view.”

  • Andrew Posted: Nov.23 at 4:08 pm
    The graduation part is lame… I don’t think raptors fans actually blame him for it. Its about education and attending to this celebration is one in a life time. Raptors fans only hate VC due to his attitude towards the trade. If Bosh left, due to his contract expire; most or all raptors fans will cheer for him. No matter the outcome.

  • niQ Posted: Nov.23 at 4:14 pm
    To be honest, I think the graduation thing got blown out of proportion by the media. I didn’t even care about that. And he came back to play so I don’t know why it was even in the conversation. I don’t think a bulk of the actual people in Toronto actually mention the graduation thing, it’s more of the not trying.
    When he was hurt it was understandable, but even when he was healthy (before he left Toronto), you could see him playing half-assed. Dude wasn’t even trying. Coach back then needed him to drive and draw fouls, he settled for ill-advised fadeaways. He was holding back. And what probably gets at people the most is that he was 100% as soon as he got to NJ. Which was quite evident that he wasn’t give 2 sh!ts about Toronto.
    Don’t get me wrong though, I respect his game. But his method of exit was disrespectful to Toronto.

  • migs Posted: Nov.23 at 4:19 pm
    niQ’s right – the graduation thing was blown way out of proportion, and isn’t even an issue anymore. If anything, the Nelly concert incident might be a more appropriate example of why TO hates VC.

  • david Posted: Nov.23 at 4:39 pm
    He jumped over a 7’3″ Frenchman and dunked while wearing a USA jersey in the freaking olympics of all places…I will cheer him everytime I see him

  • Joe Buddy Posted: Nov.23 at 4:45 pm
    LOL @ “Allow me to remind you, my friends in the “Town of York,” that Vince Carter is the reason why you guys still have a team up there in the first place.”
    to.

  • Joe Buddy Posted: Nov.23 at 4:45 pm
    LOL @ “Allow me to remind you, my friends in the “Town of York,” that Vince Carter is the reason why you guys still have a team up there in the first place.”

  • ehrof Posted: Nov.23 at 5:05 pm
    We as Raptors fans don’t hate Vince because he went to his graduation (on a side note: if this happened on any other team, there would be the same outcry from fans). We hate him because he quit. Not only did he quit, he told everyone he quit. I will continue to attend Raptors games against Vince and I will continue to start the “GO RAPS GO – VC SUCKS” chant. I will never respect him as a basketball player. He has ability and talent (no one can deny that) but he quit on us.

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Nov.23 at 5:18 pm
    As much as Raps fans want to downplay the whole graduation thing as a non-issue and say that it was blown out of proportion, keep in mind that it was a big deal when it happened and people did bash him for it. In fact, it was on TSN’s ‘Top 10 Reason’s To Hate Vince Carter’. I believe it was #4 if I’m not mistaken. People may feel burned and say that he quit on the team, but Raps fans should ask themselves if they quit on him? It was anything but a match made in heaven, but accountability needs to be taken on all sides. And, it’s about time to bury the hatchet, no?

  • 360vue Posted: Nov.23 at 5:28 pm
    I’m not your buddy, friend.
    I dont think anyone seriously entertains any other thought on VC’s exit on Toronto as shameful fleeing; dude just whined and played (poorly) his way out of there.. However, I know its the last thing he ‘gave’ the city/country but come on most of y’all Raps fans really need to let go, he undeniably did soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much for you all. Balance it out, don’t forgive the quitter but don’t hate on him, that sh!t gets you no where! Anyway, he’s obviously a lesser man (except on the court) so he’s hardly worth it

  • itaigruss Posted: Nov.23 at 6:15 pm
    article mad good. your last paragraph? slackin

  • Scruffz Posted: Nov.23 at 6:20 pm
    Funny story. I was in the tunnel when Vince was going to the locker room after Sundays game. People were asking him for his jersey, so he takes it off…but he wipes his face with it and keeps on walking. (For the record, he did sign an autograph and give high fives to people). Someone playfully called him out on it in the hallway, saying he faked them out of a jersey. Vince gave a wink and said, “They boo me, then they want my jersey”. I actually felt embarrassed to be a Raptors fan at that moment, knowing that he was absolutely right..and that a lot of fans here in Toronto are absolutely stupid. I actually heard boos for Vince, but then a lot of cheers for Dwight yesterday. How messed up is that?

  • Scruffz Posted: Nov.23 at 6:26 pm
    Keep, are you serious? “I’m not ok if you tell everyone that Toronto was a terrible place for your career.” Vince has ALWAYS said that Toronto has a place in his heart, because this is where his career began. He never, ever has anything bad to say about this city of Raptors fans. Even though he gets treat like complete garbage when he shows up at the ACC, he’s always handled it with class. Once he started getting hurt fans and media started turning on him. Why would anyone want to play in a situation like that? The fans let him down way before he let down the fans.

  • Ree Roe Posted: Nov.23 at 7:05 pm
    Toronto doesn’t know how to treat it’s American basketball stars & it’s sad. VC wasn’t perfect & made some mistakes, but the booing & hate he gets from Raptors fans sicken me. I 100% agree with this article.

  • Toronto since 95 Posted: Nov.23 at 7:10 pm
    Been a fan in Toronto since 95 and Vince was our best pure talent. That being said his actions in his final year of his stay here was nothing short of a disgrace to the game, so yes I was there on Sunday and yes I booed, but I’m the same fan that gave Oakley a standing O when he came back, I even gave J. O’neal a polite cheer when he was introduced. They deserve it, you want an intelligent b-ball fan base well then we are smart enough to see a joke when it’s in front of us. Hope he never wins a championship guys like that don’t deserve it……

  • luis quezada Posted: Nov.23 at 7:11 pm
    lol who cares if they hate him, IT’S CANADA LOL. nobody cares about canada

  • Flight Posted: Nov.23 at 7:16 pm
    I have a feeling this article won’t change any Toronto fan’s minds. I still feel he turned his back on the franchise. Not to mention the things he pulls when he returns to the ACC. Like talking directly to the camera responded to Chris Bosh’s MVP chants.. “Mvp?..Wow.”.

  • Marko Posted: Nov.23 at 7:35 pm
    Vince Carter is the definition of an immature, selfish, ignorant douchebag, and most of all a COWARD. Its not like he wasn’t loved in Toronto. The fans loved him, he could have signed any contract he wanted. The team started to struggle but played for a committed fan base for a wealthy and respectable organization. He wasn’t the only one suffering from poor management and lack of vision in the organization, his team-mates were in the same position. They still went out every night and more often then not gave it their all. But, no that was too difficult for Vince. He needed his mom to move in and manage his professional life, created a rift with his once loyal fans, and lost respect with anyone who loves the game of basketball and respects the legends of the game. Not only did he give up on a city, an organization, millions of fans around the world, he gave up on his team mates. The guys who played every night and looked to Vince as their leader had to walk out onto the floor and wonder whether he felt like playing today or whether he would succumb to some phantom injury. But, good for Vince he went on to a stellar New Jersey team (sarcasm) and has so far done absolutely nothing to set his career apart as a legend. His best years were in Toronto and could have continued, but I guess he just didn’t wanna dunk anymore. I wish Vince the best of luck on the Magic and apologize in advance to the people of Orlando for now being graced with Vince’s presence. Because no matter how he does on your team, he will always be a loser and a quitter. Not even 5 rings can change that.

  • MeloMan2.0 Posted: Nov.23 at 7:53 pm
    OK first of all, all u americans are the ones talking ignorant. personally, i like Vince carter…scratch that, love him. went to his basketball camp when i was younger… and when he left, i was really upset, but who wouldn’t be… All the fans that still hate vince have reason too, because he did quit, and he did act like he was un interested… That being said, i still like him, and hope tht his jersey is retired someday… but the booing never gets old and it makes the games more exciting…so keep it up!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Nov.23 at 7:54 pm
    Ummm, what? The Raptors were STILL a playoff team when Carter decided skip out.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Nov.23 at 7:54 pm
    Not that I h@te Carter.

  • MeloMan2.0 Posted: Nov.23 at 7:56 pm
    @rzawva: umm first of all, Shaq didnt quit playing in his later years with orlando.. second, You call Aaron and Eric Williams “something”?? hahaah get outta herre

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers Posted: Nov.23 at 8:07 pm
    Im not canadian or a Raptors fan…As a player one of my all time favourites even though he shoots too mutch.. but he was a douchbag to that franshise and that has nothing to do with him being their best player ever!

  • Easy-E Posted: Nov.23 at 8:22 pm
    I was feeling you up until; “I guess when you’re an American, multi-millionaire professional athlete playing north of the border, you’re supposed to go out and play hard for ‘their’ team no matter what the circumstances.” “their team”?????? Last time I checked, at the time, it was his team too, regardless of his citizen. I feel that was kinda bigoted. We need to drop this “America is the Greatest” stuff sometimes. But I agree with your point, he doesn’t deserve to still be “hated.” But he deserved some criticism…

  • Dagger Posted: Nov.23 at 8:34 pm
    “Let’s be honest, how many of us could give our all when the team that we’re playing on is no good?” This is an infuriating and juvenile line. This man is getting paid countless millions of dollars to perform his job. Most of us get paid a fraction of that amount and you damn well bet we do our best. He should be grateful for where he’s at, where all he needs to do is play the game at the highest level he is capable of. You also suggest that Toronto should be grateful for Vince Carter. Well I’d suggest Vince should have been a bit more grateful for the love of an entire country. Not to mention, you know, leadership of a team. Did I mention money?

  • Dagger Posted: Nov.23 at 8:38 pm
    Oh, and Toronto is a city of 5 million people with a passionate fanbase for basketball. Pretty sure the team would still be there were it not for VC.

  • floe Posted: Nov.23 at 8:42 pm
    bryan i don’t know you, but you’re a retard. vince didn’t put tdot on the map tdot put vince out to the world to rejoice.

  • kh Posted: Nov.23 at 9:21 pm
    I love when people call Vince out for going to his graduation…20, 7 and 9…I hate to imagine his numbers if he had skipped it. I could never comprehend when people argue about the amount of money players make and how they should give their all regardless of what’s happening around them, they are HUMAN! Regardless of your rate of pay there are going to be times when you just don’t like your boss, your job, your fellow employees, whatever the case may be. So just because they make more money it should be different?
    It’s so easy to judge, so difficult to understand.

  • Balherett3 Posted: Nov.23 at 9:32 pm
    It stings the way he left the franchise but i still got mad love for V.C. I’ll admit I booed him for a bit, but after I accepted his decision that you have move on.(it’s sports afterall)I don’t understand why people up here can’t let it go. Like the man has BEEN on another team and TRADED to Orlando what the hell!Just cause the Leafs suck don’t mean you should hold all your Raptors screw ups to Vince Cater.
    Maybe people would stay here longer if so many Raptors fans weren’t on bandwagons.

  • Thewsanity Posted: Nov.23 at 9:58 pm
    I’m a huge vinsanity fan..wait til vc dunks on all you raptors fans!

  • Heals Posted: Nov.23 at 11:30 pm
    It is always so entertaining when he plays there (thanks to his play and the crowd reactions) I am surprised they are never nationally televised more often when they happen…

  • Z Posted: Nov.24 at 12:00 am
    People hate Vince because he faked injuries and decided to stop getting to the rim on purpose in his last year in order to get traded. B!tch move. He’s not the first superstar to demand a trade but I don’t remember one dogging it like he did. Toronto fans have every right to boo him until he retires. The fact that he pretends to not know why they’re mad at him is beyond ridiculous.

  • J Posted: Nov.24 at 12:16 am
    Thewsanity: wait until the raptors mascot dunk on him, with no trampoline.

  • ugly_fish Posted: Nov.24 at 1:16 am
    Raptor fans should remember that VC dropped 42 points on the Houston Rockets on literally one leg when they lost 17 of 18 during the 2001-2002 season. Proof that he was injured was that majority came on jumpers and he gave up an open court banger to JYD instead of taking it himself. He tried hard when he was injured..what do you want him to do?

  • Joel O's Posted: Nov.24 at 1:32 am
    I don’t really hate him. Not anymore. It’s old news, let it go. It’s time for closure. It’s like being mad for years at some girl you used to date who you really, really liked for a long time just because there was a messy break up.

  • Joel O's Posted: Nov.24 at 1:41 am
    I don’t get why the writer of this article ended it with a Canada-US comparison. Why make this a country/city thing? “I guess when you’re a superstar in Canada you’re not supposed to feel that way.” Are things really different in Toronto as they are in say, Philly or New York or Houston? This is an issue revolving around a player and a fanbase; why use it as a thinly veiled jab at a city, a country? If commenters are kindly told to stay away from potentially inflammatory remarks about race, ethnicity and the like, perhaps writers should be held to that same standard.

  • burnt_chicken Posted: Nov.24 at 4:50 am
    bryan: The Raps would still be in TO. They have, and have always had, a lot of fan support for the TEAM. Don’t believe your half-baked hype, dude.
    …and your ‘smug American point of view’ isn’t smug at all. It’s just plain old, watered down xenophobia.
    tragically written, poorly defended.
    God bless America, indeed…

  • Yesse Posted: Nov.24 at 10:17 am
    I agree with this article.You die hard Raptor (or any team fans) are so stupid.The word die hard fan should also mean respect to VC.When he went to New Jersey the fans showed respect.

  • Dan Ilika Posted: Nov.24 at 10:24 am
    Dear Bryan, I would like to reserve judgement, but I can’t. I truly thought your story was a good, if not interesting, read. You made some very valid points, points that I myself have often made when discussing VC amongst my friends here in the Great White North. But I just don’t think you understand. I don’t think you understand what the criticism was about. I don’t see how you are so confused. Is there a problem with fans expecting more out of their Franchise Player when he is being paid so much? I don’t think so. I recall the whirlwind of criticism Ben Wallace found himself in after underachieving in Chicago after the Bulls signed him to a massive contract. What about stirs since Elton Brand signed with Philly that he wasn’t worth what they paid him? Chicago and Philidelphia have reputations for being home to some of the harshest, most critical sports fans in North America; is it because Toronto fans are vocal that you slam them over their collective expectations. The Raptors are the only NBA team in Canada. That instantly causes higher-than-normal expectations of the franchise and its players, and that, Mr. Crawford, is why Vince Carter’s actions have left a bad taste in the mouths of Raptors fans. Is he a whiner? Yes. Did he give up on the Raptors? Yes. Was he great for the Raptors franchise? Absolutely. He did incredible things for basketball in Canada, and I don’t think the collective dislike for him has to do with the fact that he wanted out but how he went about doing so. Your story was great until the end when you criticize Canadians for having a problem with a highly paid American not playing hard every night. That is where you’re wrong. The Toronto Maple Leafs are the most valuable franchise in the NHL. The team’s roster is littered with non-Americans (including Canadians). They may not get paid as much as Vince did during his time in Toronto, but Toronto fans are critical nonetheless. I would like to speak on behalf of all of us when I say the animosity for VC has nothing to do with his country of origin. He bailed on the franchise; he did it again in New Jersey–it’s not what he did or where he’s from, but how he did it. Thanks. -Dan

  • Joel O's Posted: Nov.24 at 10:31 am
    I think people who hate on VC are effing stupid. I’m from TO, and I grew up on VC. My boyhood idol,he made me love basketball.

  • Joel O's Posted: Nov.24 at 10:33 am
    Critically speaking, the problem with this article is that it does decent research from a basketball standpoint… and then tries to make the intellectual leap to social commentary, making conclusions and asking questions about a city and country the writer either doesn’t understand, or hasn’t shown so during the article. From a basketball standpoint, this is an pretty good article. But when it starts to make wide, sweeping statements about Toronto and Canada as a whole… it descends into baseless ignorance.

  • Joel O's Posted: Nov.24 at 10:38 am
    Wow, it looks like I have a “clone” here now. It’s not even right, since I didn’t grow up on VC – I grew up on MJ. Please ignore this facile pretender who obviously finds making a proper argument intellectually daunting… and lacks the immense courage necessary to even have an internet debate like the rest of us commenters.

  • aahmed26 Posted: Nov.24 at 12:19 pm
    Bryan Crawford is a disgrace to the other writers of Slam magasine. I rountinely love reading through the unbiased, informative, and interesting articles. However this shot against Canada and Toronto is lame. I’m not even from Canada yet when I was in Toronto i noticed what a big time basketball market they were. Fire this clown Slam..

  • Allenp Posted: Nov.24 at 1:47 pm
    The funny thing is that Vince’s reluctance to go the rim, and his aversion to pain seem to have continued even after he left Toronto. Maybe it wasn’t even about y’all. Maybe that’s just the way he is now.

  • thewsanity Posted: Nov.24 at 3:17 pm
    J: wait until i dunk on you..you’ll be calling your momma all day all night!

  • thewsanity Posted: Nov.24 at 3:19 pm
    all you vinsanity haters! you can all kiss VC’s A*#…

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Nov.24 at 3:22 pm
    Correction: Vince is reluctant to go to the rim, except when he plays Toronto.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Nov.24 at 3:29 pm
    “I guess when you’re an American, multi-millionaire professional athlete playing north of the border, you’re supposed to go out and play hard for ‘their’ team no matter what the circumstances.” Ummm, OBVIOUSLY.
    So Yao Ming shouldn’t play for the Rockets because its ‘their’ team? I guess Pau Gasol faked his injuries because LA is ‘their’ team? NBA teams have NOTHING to do with nationality. Come off that xenophobic vitriol. A player plays for a team, because its HIS team too. Americans aren’t the only ones playing ball, in case you haven’t noticed.
    I don’t think you’ve noticed.
    “It doesn’t seem right, but it is what it is.” What DOESN’T seem right about it? They pay him the big bucks expecting him to be the FRANCHISE PLAYER, and are disappointed when he stops trying: That’s wrong? Really?
    The Vince Carter situation has gone overboard at times, but trying to act like there’s absolutely no reason for it is insane.

  • Adrian Posted: Nov.24 at 3:38 pm
    Seriously? You’re turning this into a “Canadian” thing? That’s pretty stupid. You think he played on a “good” team the year he was drafted and the subsequent years after that? The team was GOOD, because HE was good. In the years leading to his trade, the team suffered and had to go into “rebuliding” mode because Carter turned into a shoot-first-second-third player – basically, the team was bad because HE was awful. I agree Vince Carter put Toronto on the basketball map – he then proceeded to crap all over it. THAT’s why he’s hated – plus he’s a complete waste of talent. Maybe that’s why CANADA hates him…we can’t stand brash american morons…or the writers that defend them.

  • Adrian Posted: Nov.24 at 3:43 pm
    “Then when he was HURT and COULDN’T compete, dissing him and accusing him of not playing hard and quitting on the team, etc?” Do you even know who Vince Carter is? Those weren’t accusations – they were actual truths…VC doesn’t play hard and he does quit on his team.

  • Z Posted: Nov.24 at 3:48 pm
    Seriously, this article is all over the place. The fact that the Raps play in Canada has nothing to do with this. He dogged it like a summamab!tch and fans won’t let him forget that. SVG (who likes to think that he’s always the brightest in the room) is way off base when he says that ppl don’t even know why they’re booing him anymore. They know. I guess you had to follow the Raps in those days but I’ve never ever seen such lack of effort from a superstar.

  • Johnny Posted: Nov.24 at 4:00 pm
    Bryan Crawford, you are one serious douchebag. The only person on the planet who deserves more boos than Carter, is you. Please do us all a favour (yes favour is spelled with a “u”) and go back to journalism school

  • Johnny Posted: Nov.24 at 4:26 pm
    Here’s a good reason why people are still hating on VC. At one point in the second quarter Carter slides over and takes a charge on Bargnani. It was hardly a collision: Carter beat Bargnani to the spot, whistle blows, Bargnani stops without even really banging into Carter. But Carter gets up kind of wincing and rubbing his right forearm. At one point he signals to the bench to come out, but they ignore him, apparently. He keeps rubbing his arm. There’s no cut or anything, and really, what is rubbing it going to do? But he keeps rubbing it sporadically, just to let everyone know he’s kind of hurt. My daughter does this, but she’s eight. There’s a reason he’s known as “Wince” Carter.

  • k.o. Posted: Nov.24 at 4:37 pm
    I’m so ready to write one lengthy diatribe in response to this, but i’ll take it one point at a time…

  • k.o. Posted: Nov.24 at 4:38 pm
    1)Nobody calls it “The Town of York” despite what Wikipedia says

  • k.o. Posted: Nov.24 at 4:42 pm
    2)Nice, crafty inclusion of the stereotypical Canadian “Eh?” to end paragraph 5. And by nice and crafty i mean “lame” and “expected”

  • k.o. Posted: Nov.24 at 4:47 pm
    3)The hourly breakdown of Vince’s graduation day vs. the missed shot against philly is moot. Whether there was enough time or not doesn’t matter – what that situation brought into question was Vince’s dedication and focus. Playing in the biggest game of one’s career MIGHT require all of that individuals attention and focus. maybe.

  • k.o. Posted: Nov.24 at 4:56 pm
    4)Something you don’t mention are the constant phantom injuries Vince suffered nearing the end of his time in Toronto. I remember numerous times when Vince would blow a defensive assignment, or was caught off guard by a pick, or tossed up some lame-duck running J only to be “injured” and end up on the floor clutching an ankle, elbow, back etc with a grimace of sheer agony on his face. Within 5 minutes tho, the guy would be sprinting out of the tunnel to get back in the game. Bullsh*t.

  • k.o. Posted: Nov.24 at 5:02 pm
    5)And finally the John Thompson interview. To paraphrase without embellishing, Vince admitted that he was previously so confident in his raw talent that he didn’t work as hard as he could have. Whether you agree or not, this is an admission of his lax work ethic before heading to Jersey. Whether the million dollar superstar plays for “our” team or “yours” the expectation, from the GM all the way through to disinterested fan number 23435093453 is that you PLAY YOUR HARDEST from tip-off to buzzer to earn those millions. Vince did not.

  • Aaron Posted: Nov.24 at 5:04 pm
    I don’t hate Vince. But he could have had a little more class during the tail-end of his time as a Rap. Other than that, good work!

  • don Posted: Nov.24 at 5:18 pm
    for all the hate on vince, i can’t wait for bosh to leave the RAPS and see the team post 29-win seasons again.

  • Allenp Posted: Nov.24 at 5:57 pm
    My point was that people took Carter’s low pain tolerance and disinterest personally. The folks in Toronto aren’t special in that regard, it’s common for all sports fans. Most folks figure that if you’re making a lot of money, you should give maximum effort and suck it up when ti comes to pain.
    I can see that logic.
    Thing is, money is relative. The millions professional athletes make seem enormous, but to folks across the world, $40,000 a year seems like a ransom. Yet, for the folks in this country who make that money, it’s not that much at all.
    People need to stop basing their judgements on how much money someone makes. It’s stupid. It’s insulting when you don’t do your job because it’s just insulting. The money is incidental.

  • Buschfire Posted: Nov.24 at 10:43 pm
    I AM since DAY 1 a HUGE Raptors fan. since Vince came to the team I have been a huge fan of his and I haven’t stopped till this day. I was at the game when Orlando rolled into town and I was prolly the only person in their cheering him (in my mind) anyways. I still love him and his ability as a player. but yes I was disapointed about how he left Toronto. He was not playing to his full potential and complaining that his knee and how dunking was overrated?!? cmon…

  • Double-You Jay Posted: Nov.24 at 11:42 pm
    So when the team doctors said “Hey Vince, you’re good to play,” he wouldn’t play and got a second opinion. The Raps were past the point of viability when VC came in. He blew up, but it didn’t really have anything to do with Toronto. I think if you want to give someone credit for the team still being where it is, you should be thanking Damon Stoudemire and Marcus Camby. Vancouver drafted BRYANT REEVES. Then the Steve Francis debacle (talk about b!tch moves?) happened. Vince was great, but he’s an a$$hole. Not the first athlete to be accused as such.

  • Danny23 Posted: Nov.25 at 1:25 am
    To go off on a tangent here — If VC makes that shot, what would Allen Iverson’s legacy be? Especially now… Take that Finals appearance off his resume and he definitely drops a couple of notches (or more?)…

  • abp10 Posted: Nov.25 at 1:51 am
    He wasn’t just “disinterested” in his last year in Toronto, he averaged almost half the numbers of what he later averaged that same year in NJ.

  • Kevin Posted: Nov.25 at 2:08 am
    makes for an interesting discussion, and this article raises several good points.. that said, a lot of the arguments are pretty flawed / untrue with regards to why he’s so hated in Toronto. other people commented already, but as someone who grew up in Vancouver with the Grizzlies, and then moved to Toronto several years ago – the two cities’ responses to having a professional basketball team are nowhere near the same.

  • J Posted: Nov.25 at 3:41 am
    @thewsanity: whatever.. you don’t scratch anything

  • Dacre Posted: Nov.25 at 9:00 am
    Vince for this years allstar game?? Yep. Dwight and Vince should both be there.

  • Dan Ilika Posted: Nov.25 at 1:51 pm
    @Kevin: While I’ve never lived on the West Coast, I can only imagine the response to the Grizzlies was never close to that of the Raptors. I mean, if anything the Raptors are a statement of the passion, desire and faith Toronto fans have. That is, despite the team’s very up-and-down run over the last 15 years (they never can seem to progress over two or more seasons) Raptors faithful have been just that: faithful. It has nothing to do with Vince; it has everything to do with a love of the game.

  • Fletch Posted: Nov.25 at 11:31 pm
    I have a Carter bobble head and whenever I’m having a bad day I flick his head and think, life could be worse, I could be Vince Carter.

  • BuscMasta Posted: Nov.28 at 5:38 am
    and SLAM….on this note I’m gonna cancel my subscription if you keep hiring horrible writers like this Bryan Crawford… fine I may have horrible grammer but I’m not getting paid to write BS.

  • Veggie79 Posted: Nov.30 at 10:49 am
    The article was great im still a vince fan but the raptors are my team.

  • matt Posted: Dec.8 at 2:35 am
    remember when Vinve went to NJ, prceeded to bug Kidd to such a degree that he demanded a trade? And then his contract was so large they needed to shed contracts and trade RJ? Notice theyre now 1-18? It appears hes screwed two franchises. Just wait Orlando.

  • Thomas Posted: Dec.10 at 2:54 am
    This is the most ill-informed and worst written article I have ever read. Please never subject us to listening to you again. The disjointedeness of your train of thought is painful. Players who have done far less wrong have been booed a lot as well.

  • Roadie213 Posted: Jan.27 at 2:50 pm
    VC is a quitter…plain and simple. Any american who doubts it check the facts. They don’t know what it was like to have him when he didn’t want to play. If I was MLSE I would have told him to pack his bags and leave the team, just like T-mac in houston or tinsley in indiana. Carter will be forever booed in Toronto. No love from the City of haters :)

  • SuitedUp Posted: Sep.29 at 7:19 pm
    There will be an article just like this about Lebron James next season. Toronto fans are just mad because their hockey team sucks balls.

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