Monday, November 23rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm  |  96 responses

Everybody Hates Vince

Well, at least in Toronto.

by Bryan CrawfordVince Carter

A question came up on Twitter Sunday regarding Toronto’s “hate affair” with Vince Carter. Why so much negativity toward Vince, they asked? I had no real solid answer—at least not one that didn’t come off as being sarcastically funny—but it was a very good question nonetheless. One would think that with Vince being the first NBA star to ever play north of the border and considering how much he did for the franchise by putting the Raptors, the City of Toronto and Canada on the basketball map, that they’d hold a little less animosity towards the man and celebrate him as a hero. But they don’t. Whenever Vince comes to town he probably feels like he’s playing in front of a crowd full of Terrance and Phillip’s.

Allow me to remind you, my friends in the “Town of York,” that Vince Carter is the reason why you guys still have a team up there in the first place. Had Vin-sanity’s air show landed in Vancouver, we might have been talking about the Allen Iverson and Memphis Raptors debacle instead. So let’s not lose sight of the big picture here.

Vince Carter shouldn’t be the object of your wrath. Not by a long shot.

Dear people of Toronto, your NBA team just came into existence in 1995. By 1998 via a trade with the Golden State Warriors for his North Carolina teammate Antawn Jamison on draft day, you landed one Vincent Lamar Carter. Stop and think about that for a second. It takes some organizations a lot longer than three years to land a player who has the ability to turn a franchise around instantly the way that Vince did. And boy, did he do just that.

He won ROY in a lockout-shortened, 50-game season. The next year, he was voted an All-Star (and third team All-NBA to boot). And let’s not forget what he did during his ASG weekend debut. Remember when he put on one of the greatest displays in dunk contest HISTORY? Ever. Wearing a Raptors uniform. Let us also not forget that he led Toronto to a +22 in the win column from the year before, giving the franchise, the City of Toronto, and the entire friggin’ country its first ever taste of NBA playoff basketball. Not bad for a guy only two years in, eh?

And what did he do for an encore? He made second team All-NBA the following season. He was also voted in by the fans to be a starter for the East in the ASG. He led the team to a second place finish in the Central Division and to its first ever playoff series victory against the New York Knicks. He also came within one missed corner jumper against the Philadelphia 76ers from taking the Raptors to the ECF which would’ve been another first. Worth mentioning is the fact that the team hasn’t advanced past the first round of the Playoffs since then. But that’s neither here nor there.

And speaking of that missed jumper, what did the people of Toronto do when that happened? They bashed him for opting to attend UNC’s graduation ceremony and walking with his class on the morning prior to that pivotal Game 7 instead of resting all day in preparation for the game. I believe the word that was used was “distraction.” Wow, really?

The organization’s savior, the face of the franchise, attends team practice in Philadelphia that Saturday and then takes an hour flight down to North Carolina where he spends the night. He attends graduation on Sunday morning and is back in Philly by that afternoon, almost six hours before game time. And he did all that with the team “reluctantly” giving him their blessing. And it’s not like his decision affected his performance on the floor either.

He scored 20 points, grabbed 7 rebounds, dished out 9 assists, and had 0 turnovers that night. And the Raptors only lost that game by one point. ONE POINT! So let’s be honest here, he makes that shot and there is no controversy. He makes that shot and the people of Toronto still love him. He makes that shot and then possibly beats the Milwaukee Bucks to lead the Raptors to the NBA Finals, he never leaves town and perhaps they erect a statue of him dunking over Frederic Weis in a Raptors uni outside of the Air Canada Centre one day.

But that loss followed by all of the criticism he took for it spelled the beginning of the end for ‘Half Man, Half Amazing’ in Toronto.

The next couple of years for Vince were tough as he battled—Vince Carter & Chris Boshnot surprisingly—“jumper’s knee.” In ’02, the team won 42 games and made the Playoffs despite Vince appearing in only 60 regular season games and missing the postseason completely due to injury. The next season, still not 100 percent, VC played in only 43 regular season games and the Raptors went 24-58. The whispers of criticism started to become more and more audible.

That ‘02-03 season threw Toronto into rebuilding mode. They secured the fourth pick in the lottery and drafted Chris Bosh that summer. Lenny Wilkens was let go and was replaced by Kevin O’Neill, and the Raptors proceeded to be a pretty bad team in ‘03-04, going 33-49 which is par for the course in a rebuilding year. Vince came back to play in 73 regular season games, but his per game averages were down across the board. The team was losing and he seemed disinterested. By the end of that season, the writing on the wall was clear. The team wanted to rebuild around Chris Bosh. VC knew this and he wanted out. Twenty games into the ‘04-05 season, he’d gotten his wish. He was shipped to the New Jersey Nets in exchange for Alonzo Mourning and Eric and Aaron Williams.

That was in December. In January came the infamous interview with John Thompson on TNT.

Said Carter, “In years past… I was fortunate to have the talent. You get spoiled when you’re able to do a lot of things. You see that you don’t have to work at it.” The comment came in response to a question by Thompson on whether or not VC could still rely on his raw talent. Basketball fans in Toronto felt as if he was saying he didn’t really work hard while he was there. They felt like he was saying that he quit on the team. The hate began from that moment on.

North of the border Vince was now being called selfish. People were saying that he didn’t care for the fans that had supported him all those years. They said that he was a disgrace to professional athletes. They called him spoiled and accused him of not producing in light of the money he was being paid. They said he quit on his team. That he didn’t have heart. Yadda, yadda, yadda. And every time he comes to town now, he’s booed. That’s a pretty harsh thing to do to a guy who did so much for that organization in only six seasons. Especially considering that half the time he spent there he was hurt and couldn’t play. He didn’t do half as much for the New Jersey Nets and they gave him a hero’s welcome when he came back wearing an Orlando Magic jersey this season.

So don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Vince Carter fanboy by any stretch. I’ve seen it in Toronto and I saw it happen in New Jersey where he lost interest and didn’t seem to be playing hard when the team was struggling. So yes, he does deserve his hare of blame and maybe even some criticism. But it’s not all his fault either.

Let’s be honest, how many of us could give our all when the team that we’re playing on is no good? How many of us Vince Cartercan say that we could go out and play balls-to-the-wall night in and night out for an organization not committed to winning and fielding a competitive team? How many of us can say that we could maintain a positive attitude and remain upbeat after consistently taking Ls on a regular basis?

Crickets.

But I guess in Canada, when you’re a superstar you’re not given that luxury. I guess when you’re a superstar in Canada you’re not supposed to feel that way. I guess when you’re an American, multi-millionaire professional athlete playing north of the border, you’re supposed to go out and play hard for “their” team no matter what the circumstances. It doesn’t seem right, but it is what it is.

So I guess that’s why in Toronto… Everybody hates Vince.

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  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    People hate Vince because he faked injuries and decided to stop getting to the rim on purpose in his last year in order to get traded. B!tch move. He’s not the first superstar to demand a trade but I don’t remember one dogging it like he did. Toronto fans have every right to boo him until he retires. The fact that he pretends to not know why they’re mad at him is beyond ridiculous.

  • J

    Thewsanity: wait until the raptors mascot dunk on him, with no trampoline.

  • ugly_fish

    Raptor fans should remember that VC dropped 42 points on the Houston Rockets on literally one leg when they lost 17 of 18 during the 2001-2002 season. Proof that he was injured was that majority came on jumpers and he gave up an open court banger to JYD instead of taking it himself. He tried hard when he was injured..what do you want him to do?

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    I don’t really hate him. Not anymore. It’s old news, let it go. It’s time for closure. It’s like being mad for years at some girl you used to date who you really, really liked for a long time just because there was a messy break up.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    I don’t get why the writer of this article ended it with a Canada-US comparison. Why make this a country/city thing? “I guess when you’re a superstar in Canada you’re not supposed to feel that way.” Are things really different in Toronto as they are in say, Philly or New York or Houston? This is an issue revolving around a player and a fanbase; why use it as a thinly veiled jab at a city, a country? If commenters are kindly told to stay away from potentially inflammatory remarks about race, ethnicity and the like, perhaps writers should be held to that same standard.

  • burnt_chicken

    bryan: The Raps would still be in TO. They have, and have always had, a lot of fan support for the TEAM. Don’t believe your half-baked hype, dude.
    …and your ‘smug American point of view’ isn’t smug at all. It’s just plain old, watered down xenophobia.
    tragically written, poorly defended.
    God bless America, indeed…

  • Yesse

    I agree with this article.You die hard Raptor (or any team fans) are so stupid.The word die hard fan should also mean respect to VC.When he went to New Jersey the fans showed respect.

  • Dan Ilika

    Dear Bryan,

    I would like to reserve judgement, but I can’t. I truly thought your story was a good, if not interesting, read. You made some very valid points, points that I myself have often made when discussing VC amongst my friends here in the Great White North. But I just don’t think you understand. I don’t think you understand what the criticism was about. I don’t see how you are so confused. Is there a problem with fans expecting more out of their Franchise Player when he is being paid so much? I don’t think so. I recall the whirlwind of criticism Ben Wallace found himself in after underachieving in Chicago after the Bulls signed him to a massive contract. What about stirs since Elton Brand signed with Philly that he wasn’t worth what they paid him? Chicago and Philidelphia have reputations for being home to some of the harshest, most critical sports fans in North America; is it because Toronto fans are vocal that you slam them over their collective expectations. The Raptors are the only NBA team in Canada. That instantly causes higher-than-normal expectations of the franchise and its players, and that, Mr. Crawford, is why Vince Carter’s actions have left a bad taste in the mouths of Raptors fans. Is he a whiner? Yes. Did he give up on the Raptors? Yes. Was he great for the Raptors franchise? Absolutely. He did incredible things for basketball in Canada, and I don’t think the collective dislike for him has to do with the fact that he wanted out but how he went about doing so. Your story was great until the end when you criticize Canadians for having a problem with a highly paid American not playing hard every night. That is where you’re wrong. The Toronto Maple Leafs are the most valuable franchise in the NHL. The team’s roster is littered with non-Americans (including Canadians). They may not get paid as much as Vince did during his time in Toronto, but Toronto fans are critical nonetheless. I would like to speak on behalf of all of us when I say the animosity for VC has nothing to do with his country of origin. He bailed on the franchise; he did it again in New Jersey–it’s not what he did or where he’s from, but how he did it.

    Thanks.

    -Dan

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    I think people who hate on VC are effing stupid.

    I’m from TO, and I grew up on VC. My boyhood idol,he made me love basketball.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Critically speaking, the problem with this article is that it does decent research from a basketball standpoint… and then tries to make the intellectual leap to social commentary, making conclusions and asking questions about a city and country the writer either doesn’t understand, or hasn’t shown so during the article. From a basketball standpoint, this is an pretty good article. But when it starts to make wide, sweeping statements about Toronto and Canada as a whole… it descends into baseless ignorance.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Wow, it looks like I have a “clone” here now. It’s not even right, since I didn’t grow up on VC – I grew up on MJ. Please ignore this facile pretender who obviously finds making a proper argument intellectually daunting… and lacks the immense courage necessary to even have an internet debate like the rest of us commenters.

  • aahmed26

    Bryan Crawford is a disgrace to the other writers of Slam magasine. I rountinely love reading through the unbiased, informative, and interesting articles. However this shot against Canada and Toronto is lame. I’m not even from Canada yet when I was in Toronto i noticed what a big time basketball market they were. Fire this clown Slam..

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The funny thing is that Vince’s reluctance to go the rim, and his aversion to pain seem to have continued even after he left Toronto. Maybe it wasn’t even about y’all. Maybe that’s just the way he is now.

  • thewsanity

    J: wait until i dunk on you..you’ll be calling your momma all day all night!

  • thewsanity

    all you vinsanity haters! you can all kiss VC’s A*#…

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Correction: Vince is reluctant to go to the rim, except when he plays Toronto.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    “I guess when you’re an American, multi-millionaire professional athlete playing north of the border, you’re supposed to go out and play hard for ‘their’ team no matter what the circumstances.” Ummm, OBVIOUSLY.
    So Yao Ming shouldn’t play for the Rockets because its ‘their’ team? I guess Pau Gasol faked his injuries because LA is ‘their’ team? NBA teams have NOTHING to do with nationality. Come off that xenophobic vitriol. A player plays for a team, because its HIS team too. Americans aren’t the only ones playing ball, in case you haven’t noticed.
    I don’t think you’ve noticed.
    “It doesn’t seem right, but it is what it is.” What DOESN’T seem right about it? They pay him the big bucks expecting him to be the FRANCHISE PLAYER, and are disappointed when he stops trying: That’s wrong? Really?
    The Vince Carter situation has gone overboard at times, but trying to act like there’s absolutely no reason for it is insane.

  • Adrian

    Seriously? You’re turning this into a “Canadian” thing? That’s pretty stupid. You think he played on a “good” team the year he was drafted and the subsequent years after that? The team was GOOD, because HE was good. In the years leading to his trade, the team suffered and had to go into “rebuliding” mode because Carter turned into a shoot-first-second-third player – basically, the team was bad because HE was awful.

    I agree Vince Carter put Toronto on the basketball map – he then proceeded to crap all over it. THAT’s why he’s hated – plus he’s a complete waste of talent. Maybe that’s why CANADA hates him…we can’t stand brash american morons…or the writers that defend them.

  • Adrian

    “Then when he was HURT and COULDN’T compete, dissing him and accusing him of not playing hard and quitting on the team, etc?”

    Do you even know who Vince Carter is? Those weren’t accusations – they were actual truths…VC doesn’t play hard and he does quit on his team.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Seriously, this article is all over the place. The fact that the Raps play in Canada has nothing to do with this. He dogged it like a summamab!tch and fans won’t let him forget that. SVG (who likes to think that he’s always the brightest in the room) is way off base when he says that ppl don’t even know why they’re booing him anymore. They know. I guess you had to follow the Raps in those days but I’ve never ever seen such lack of effort from a superstar.

  • Johnny

    Bryan Crawford, you are one serious douchebag. The only person on the planet who deserves more boos than Carter, is you.

    Please do us all a favour (yes favour is spelled with a “u”) and go back to journalism school

  • Johnny

    Here’s a good reason why people are still hating on VC. At one point in the second quarter Carter slides over and takes a charge on Bargnani. It was hardly a collision: Carter beat Bargnani to the spot, whistle blows, Bargnani stops without even really banging into Carter. But Carter gets up kind of wincing and rubbing his right forearm. At one point he signals to the bench to come out, but they ignore him, apparently. He keeps rubbing his arm. There’s no cut or anything, and really, what is rubbing it going to do? But he keeps rubbing it sporadically, just to let everyone know he’s kind of hurt. My daughter does this, but she’s eight. There’s a reason he’s known as “Wince” Carter.

  • k.o.

    I’m so ready to write one lengthy diatribe in response to this, but i’ll take it one point at a time…

  • k.o.

    1)Nobody calls it “The Town of York” despite what Wikipedia says

  • k.o.

    2)Nice, crafty inclusion of the stereotypical Canadian “Eh?” to end paragraph 5. And by nice and crafty i mean “lame” and “expected”

  • k.o.

    3)The hourly breakdown of Vince’s graduation day vs. the missed shot against philly is moot. Whether there was enough time or not doesn’t matter – what that situation brought into question was Vince’s dedication and focus. Playing in the biggest game of one’s career MIGHT require all of that individuals attention and focus. maybe.

  • k.o.

    4)Something you don’t mention are the constant phantom injuries Vince suffered nearing the end of his time in Toronto. I remember numerous times when Vince would blow a defensive assignment, or was caught off guard by a pick, or tossed up some lame-duck running J only to be “injured” and end up on the floor clutching an ankle, elbow, back etc with a grimace of sheer agony on his face. Within 5 minutes tho, the guy would be sprinting out of the tunnel to get back in the game. Bullsh*t.

  • k.o.

    5)And finally the John Thompson interview. To paraphrase without embellishing, Vince admitted that he was previously so confident in his raw talent that he didn’t work as hard as he could have. Whether you agree or not, this is an admission of his lax work ethic before heading to Jersey. Whether the million dollar superstar plays for “our” team or “yours” the expectation, from the GM all the way through to disinterested fan number 23435093453 is that you PLAY YOUR HARDEST from tip-off to buzzer to earn those millions. Vince did not.

  • Aaron

    I don’t hate Vince. But he could have had a little more class during the tail-end of his time as a Rap. Other than that, good work!

  • don

    for all the hate on vince, i can’t wait for bosh to leave the RAPS and see the team post 29-win seasons again.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    My point was that people took Carter’s low pain tolerance and disinterest personally. The folks in Toronto aren’t special in that regard, it’s common for all sports fans. Most folks figure that if you’re making a lot of money, you should give maximum effort and suck it up when ti comes to pain.
    I can see that logic.
    Thing is, money is relative. The millions professional athletes make seem enormous, but to folks across the world, $40,000 a year seems like a ransom. Yet, for the folks in this country who make that money, it’s not that much at all.
    People need to stop basing their judgements on how much money someone makes. It’s stupid. It’s insulting when you don’t do your job because it’s just insulting. The money is incidental.

  • Buschfire

    I AM since DAY 1 a HUGE Raptors fan. since Vince came to the team I have been a huge fan of his and I haven’t stopped till this day. I was at the game when Orlando rolled into town and I was prolly the only person in their cheering him (in my mind) anyways. I still love him and his ability as a player. but yes I was disapointed about how he left Toronto. He was not playing to his full potential and complaining that his knee and how dunking was overrated?!? cmon…

  • Double-You Jay

    So when the team doctors said “Hey Vince, you’re good to play,” he wouldn’t play and got a second opinion. The Raps were past the point of viability when VC came in. He blew up, but it didn’t really have anything to do with Toronto. I think if you want to give someone credit for the team still being where it is, you should be thanking Damon Stoudemire and Marcus Camby. Vancouver drafted BRYANT REEVES. Then the Steve Francis debacle (talk about b!tch moves?) happened. Vince was great, but he’s an a$$hole. Not the first athlete to be accused as such.

  • Danny23

    To go off on a tangent here — If VC makes that shot, what would Allen Iverson’s legacy be? Especially now… Take that Finals appearance off his resume and he definitely drops a couple of notches (or more?)…

  • abp10

    He wasn’t just “disinterested” in his last year in Toronto, he averaged almost half the numbers of what he later averaged that same year in NJ.

  • http://www.addictedtobeauty.ca/ Kevin

    makes for an interesting discussion, and this article raises several good points.. that said, a lot of the arguments are pretty flawed / untrue with regards to why he’s so hated in Toronto. other people commented already, but as someone who grew up in Vancouver with the Grizzlies, and then moved to Toronto several years ago – the two cities’ responses to having a professional basketball team are nowhere near the same.

  • J

    @thewsanity: whatever.. you don’t scratch anything

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Vince for this years allstar game?? Yep. Dwight and Vince should both be there.

  • Dan Ilika

    @Kevin: While I’ve never lived on the West Coast, I can only imagine the response to the Grizzlies was never close to that of the Raptors. I mean, if anything the Raptors are a statement of the passion, desire and faith Toronto fans have. That is, despite the team’s very up-and-down run over the last 15 years (they never can seem to progress over two or more seasons) Raptors faithful have been just that: faithful. It has nothing to do with Vince; it has everything to do with a love of the game.

  • Fletch

    I have a Carter bobble head and whenever I’m having a bad day I flick his head and think, life could be worse, I could be Vince Carter.

  • BuscMasta

    and SLAM….on this note I’m gonna cancel my subscription if you keep hiring horrible writers like this Bryan Crawford… fine I may have horrible grammer but I’m not getting paid to write BS.

  • Veggie79

    The article was great im still a vince fan but the raptors are my team.

  • matt

    remember when Vinve went to NJ, prceeded to bug Kidd to such a degree that he demanded a trade? And then his contract was so large they needed to shed contracts and trade RJ? Notice theyre now 1-18? It appears hes screwed two franchises. Just wait Orlando.

  • Thomas

    This is the most ill-informed and worst written article I have ever read. Please never subject us to listening to you again. The disjointedeness of your train of thought is painful.

    Players who have done far less wrong have been booed a lot as well.

  • Roadie213

    VC is a quitter…plain and simple. Any american who doubts it check the facts. They don’t know what it was like to have him when he didn’t want to play. If I was MLSE I would have told him to pack his bags and leave the team, just like T-mac in houston or tinsley in indiana. Carter will be forever booed in Toronto. No love from the City of haters :)

  • SuitedUp

    There will be an article just like this about Lebron James next season. Toronto fans are just mad because their hockey team sucks balls.

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