Monday, November 23rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm  |  96 responses

Everybody Hates Vince

Well, at least in Toronto.

by Bryan CrawfordVince Carter

A question came up on Twitter Sunday regarding Toronto’s “hate affair” with Vince Carter. Why so much negativity toward Vince, they asked? I had no real solid answer—at least not one that didn’t come off as being sarcastically funny—but it was a very good question nonetheless. One would think that with Vince being the first NBA star to ever play north of the border and considering how much he did for the franchise by putting the Raptors, the City of Toronto and Canada on the basketball map, that they’d hold a little less animosity towards the man and celebrate him as a hero. But they don’t. Whenever Vince comes to town he probably feels like he’s playing in front of a crowd full of Terrance and Phillip’s.

Allow me to remind you, my friends in the “Town of York,” that Vince Carter is the reason why you guys still have a team up there in the first place. Had Vin-sanity’s air show landed in Vancouver, we might have been talking about the Allen Iverson and Memphis Raptors debacle instead. So let’s not lose sight of the big picture here.

Vince Carter shouldn’t be the object of your wrath. Not by a long shot.

Dear people of Toronto, your NBA team just came into existence in 1995. By 1998 via a trade with the Golden State Warriors for his North Carolina teammate Antawn Jamison on draft day, you landed one Vincent Lamar Carter. Stop and think about that for a second. It takes some organizations a lot longer than three years to land a player who has the ability to turn a franchise around instantly the way that Vince did. And boy, did he do just that.

He won ROY in a lockout-shortened, 50-game season. The next year, he was voted an All-Star (and third team All-NBA to boot). And let’s not forget what he did during his ASG weekend debut. Remember when he put on one of the greatest displays in dunk contest HISTORY? Ever. Wearing a Raptors uniform. Let us also not forget that he led Toronto to a +22 in the win column from the year before, giving the franchise, the City of Toronto, and the entire friggin’ country its first ever taste of NBA playoff basketball. Not bad for a guy only two years in, eh?

And what did he do for an encore? He made second team All-NBA the following season. He was also voted in by the fans to be a starter for the East in the ASG. He led the team to a second place finish in the Central Division and to its first ever playoff series victory against the New York Knicks. He also came within one missed corner jumper against the Philadelphia 76ers from taking the Raptors to the ECF which would’ve been another first. Worth mentioning is the fact that the team hasn’t advanced past the first round of the Playoffs since then. But that’s neither here nor there.

And speaking of that missed jumper, what did the people of Toronto do when that happened? They bashed him for opting to attend UNC’s graduation ceremony and walking with his class on the morning prior to that pivotal Game 7 instead of resting all day in preparation for the game. I believe the word that was used was “distraction.” Wow, really?

The organization’s savior, the face of the franchise, attends team practice in Philadelphia that Saturday and then takes an hour flight down to North Carolina where he spends the night. He attends graduation on Sunday morning and is back in Philly by that afternoon, almost six hours before game time. And he did all that with the team “reluctantly” giving him their blessing. And it’s not like his decision affected his performance on the floor either.

He scored 20 points, grabbed 7 rebounds, dished out 9 assists, and had 0 turnovers that night. And the Raptors only lost that game by one point. ONE POINT! So let’s be honest here, he makes that shot and there is no controversy. He makes that shot and the people of Toronto still love him. He makes that shot and then possibly beats the Milwaukee Bucks to lead the Raptors to the NBA Finals, he never leaves town and perhaps they erect a statue of him dunking over Frederic Weis in a Raptors uni outside of the Air Canada Centre one day.

But that loss followed by all of the criticism he took for it spelled the beginning of the end for ‘Half Man, Half Amazing’ in Toronto.

The next couple of years for Vince were tough as he battled—Vince Carter & Chris Boshnot surprisingly—“jumper’s knee.” In ’02, the team won 42 games and made the Playoffs despite Vince appearing in only 60 regular season games and missing the postseason completely due to injury. The next season, still not 100 percent, VC played in only 43 regular season games and the Raptors went 24-58. The whispers of criticism started to become more and more audible.

That ‘02-03 season threw Toronto into rebuilding mode. They secured the fourth pick in the lottery and drafted Chris Bosh that summer. Lenny Wilkens was let go and was replaced by Kevin O’Neill, and the Raptors proceeded to be a pretty bad team in ‘03-04, going 33-49 which is par for the course in a rebuilding year. Vince came back to play in 73 regular season games, but his per game averages were down across the board. The team was losing and he seemed disinterested. By the end of that season, the writing on the wall was clear. The team wanted to rebuild around Chris Bosh. VC knew this and he wanted out. Twenty games into the ‘04-05 season, he’d gotten his wish. He was shipped to the New Jersey Nets in exchange for Alonzo Mourning and Eric and Aaron Williams.

That was in December. In January came the infamous interview with John Thompson on TNT.

Said Carter, “In years past… I was fortunate to have the talent. You get spoiled when you’re able to do a lot of things. You see that you don’t have to work at it.” The comment came in response to a question by Thompson on whether or not VC could still rely on his raw talent. Basketball fans in Toronto felt as if he was saying he didn’t really work hard while he was there. They felt like he was saying that he quit on the team. The hate began from that moment on.

North of the border Vince was now being called selfish. People were saying that he didn’t care for the fans that had supported him all those years. They said that he was a disgrace to professional athletes. They called him spoiled and accused him of not producing in light of the money he was being paid. They said he quit on his team. That he didn’t have heart. Yadda, yadda, yadda. And every time he comes to town now, he’s booed. That’s a pretty harsh thing to do to a guy who did so much for that organization in only six seasons. Especially considering that half the time he spent there he was hurt and couldn’t play. He didn’t do half as much for the New Jersey Nets and they gave him a hero’s welcome when he came back wearing an Orlando Magic jersey this season.

So don’t get me wrong, I’m not a Vince Carter fanboy by any stretch. I’ve seen it in Toronto and I saw it happen in New Jersey where he lost interest and didn’t seem to be playing hard when the team was struggling. So yes, he does deserve his hare of blame and maybe even some criticism. But it’s not all his fault either.

Let’s be honest, how many of us could give our all when the team that we’re playing on is no good? How many of us Vince Cartercan say that we could go out and play balls-to-the-wall night in and night out for an organization not committed to winning and fielding a competitive team? How many of us can say that we could maintain a positive attitude and remain upbeat after consistently taking Ls on a regular basis?

Crickets.

But I guess in Canada, when you’re a superstar you’re not given that luxury. I guess when you’re a superstar in Canada you’re not supposed to feel that way. I guess when you’re an American, multi-millionaire professional athlete playing north of the border, you’re supposed to go out and play hard for “their” team no matter what the circumstances. It doesn’t seem right, but it is what it is.

So I guess that’s why in Toronto… Everybody hates Vince.

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  • http://www.outsidethenba.com James

    Great read, thanks. And we don’t ALL hate him, just… most of us, apparently. I am still a Vince fan, went to the game yesterday and didn’t participate in the hatefest.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    I’m not your buddy, guy! Nice article, pretty much spot on, VC probably got Raps fans hopes up and then repeatedly look for a chance to jump ship. Wonder what they’ll make of Bosh when he makes a quick exit next summer

  • Keep

    I do hate VC.
    I think he pulled one of the lamest moves in professional sports.

    I’m fine if you don’t want to play for the Raptors, whatever. I’m fine if you have personal problems with the management. I’m fine if you want to force a trade.

    I’m not ok if you slack off and lower your trade value so we get nothing for you. I’m not ok if you tell everyone that Toronto was a terrible place for your career. I’m not ok if you mock our team’s franchise player.

    Don’t pretend that Toronto just likes to jump on the hate bandwagon for fun. We’re Canadians for Christ’s sake, we love everyone….unless you pull a move like that.

  • tlam

    If you play hard…the fans will cheer for you. ie. Matt Bonner, Jamario Moon, Anthony Parker. Big cheers for them when they returned to the ACC. If VC player hard and made an effort all the way to the end of his stay in TO, I think people would still love him. It’s the lack of effort. I don’t see CB4 stop working hard until the final whistle…he’ll be cheered for if/when he leaves.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    From what I know, its basically just that he literally didn’t care about playing in his last years in Toronto. And regarding your last few paragraphs, that is pretty damn flawed. A few names I can think of at the top of my head who were in those situations are: Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson (playing with a crap team got to the finals), Ray Allen (in Seattle), and Kobe Bryant (after Shaq and before Pau). Oh, and don’t forget about Kevin Durant, his team hasn’t been winning much but at least he enjoys being able to play the game of basketball in the NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Toronto would still have an NBA franchise if Vince Carter never played for the Raptors. Very supportive basketball fans in that town.

  • flipcyde

    I’m not your guy, friend. You’re right, VC did do all of that for the Raptors, but that is why we hate him so much. He was our superstar, he was Toronto’s hope, hell he was NBA in Canada’s hope. He had the charisma and the charm. He invested in the community. It was just the way he left Toronto that turned the passionate Canadian fanbase off. It was like he gave up. It was like he turned his back on all of us. When someone that revered by Canadian fans leaves in the manner that he did, well you can see why we bring the hate every game. The whole “Dunking is overrated”, even unwillingness to drive into the paint, giving out plays to the opposing team (then losing the game) just added to our increasing displeasure. Then came the shenanigans after he was traded to the Nets: slapping mo pete (then refs calling the foul on mo pete!) and mocking mvp chants for chris bosh among other things. The way VC left us is why we hate him so much.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    niQ: Maybe with the exception of Allen Iverson, and maybe Paul Pierce, none of those other players had their cities turn on them the way Toronto turned on Vince.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Everyone complains when a player “quits on a team” but what about when an organization quits on its fans? What do they expect the players to do? I don’t care that vince didn’t play as hard when he was hurt and when the team obviously resigned to the fact that they sucked. Its like the knicks now I wouldn’t care if every played mailed it in for all 82 because the brass old them all up the river. Good read and I’m glad someone sticks up for vince.

  • Alfred

    Oh hooray! Another article white knighting Vince Carter, “hero” for the basketball masses in Toronto, and all from a smug, American point of view. Mentioning Canada dismissively while having Vince draped in the American flag only serves to further your agenda that Toronto is some backwater market that should be groveling at the feet of Carter, basking in the glow of his former Raptor greatness. Toronto is a world-class city. Period. It’s the 5th largest market in North America, and is a top 15 financial center in the world. Fullstop.

    First of all, you act as if the Toronto Raptors would have been relocated to Memphis already if Vince Carter wasn’t drafted by Toronto. Do you know this for a fact? Last time I checked, Antawn Jamison is still a great basketball player, and could have been the backbone of a solid Toronto team. Perhaps Tracy McGrady stays in this alternate universe, because Vince wasn’t in the equation. Who knows? You don’t, that’s for sure. Simply assuming that Toronto’s basketball team would cease to exist without Vince Carter is shockingly bad journalism and logic.

    People in Toronto hated Vince because he was so good, and because he gave up so easily. You mention it yourself in the article. Vince went from on top of the world, to injured, and on a team that was rebuilding. He mailed in performances, didn’t train during the summer, and eventually sulked his way out of town and miraculously recovered to lead New Jersey to the playoffs.

    Frankly, I’m tired of even hearing about him. I’m tired of reading articles like this one that just regurgitate five year old information, five year old arguments, permeated with juvenile pity for the city of Toronto, it which doesn’t deserve, or need. To say that your article is sub-standard is too generous. It’s a photocopy of a sub-standard article.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Players* and sold* f*ck typos.

  • TheR3dMenace

    Please consult this video, it will give the outsiders a nice insider-view of of what it was like to be a Raptors fan when Wince quit

    http://raptors.fandome.com/video/98606/Top-10-Reasons-Not-to-Like-Vince-Carter/

  • Rzavwa

    So if Orlando Magic fans can get over Shaq leaving, why can’t Raptors fans? Hell, at least you got SOMETHING for Vince. Shaq just left poor little Penny out in the cold. And Ho-G was never the same again.

  • David

    Nice counterpoint to the popular image of VC. Can’t front on the guy’s ability.

  • Alfred

    Bryan Crawford: “niQ: Maybe with the exception of Allen Iverson, and maybe Paul Pierce, none of those other players had their cities turn on them the way Toronto turned on Vince.”

    Paul Pierce never played for a team other than Boston, and niQ never mentioned him. What are you talking about?

  • http://www.slamonline.com kh

    Raptor fans cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it! It’s time to let go.
    All the hate only makes us (yes I am a Raptor fan and Canadian) look bad.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    I wasn’t talking about cities turning on players, I was talking about players who went all out even though their teams were (basically) crap.

  • Romel

    Vince still remains one of my favourite players. Never had any animosity towards him when he was traded. The day after he was traded, I went to game wearing my VC jersey, chanting, “Bring back Vince” I was lucky to make out of the ACC alive that night. I still wear his jersey when I’m playing ball and get my share of hard fouls and the occasional guy trying to rip my jersey. My Toronto peeps need to get over it and stop booing the man. Like or not, VC made the Raps. I’m glad to see Vince on a championship contending team. Hopefully the Raps can get there one day. Bosh is great, but without a SG or Small forward who can command attention like Vince, they have no chance.

  • Homie

    Vince is a whole lot of untypable things that can be considered euphemisms for the female naughty bits. He quit on Toronto, plain and simple. He’s a loser.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    niQ: I guess what I’m trying to say is, people want to be in a place where they are appreciated. Bashing him for going to graduation? Then when he was HURT and COULDN’T compete, dissing him and accusing him of not playing hard and quitting on the team, etc? All I’m saying is, I don’t blame him for wanting out. After all he did for that team and that city and that’s what he got in return? Like I said, he’s not blameless, but he’s not 100% at fault either. But you know, that’s just my “smug, American point of view.”

  • Andrew

    The graduation part is lame… I don’t think raptors fans actually blame him for it. Its about education and attending to this celebration is one in a life time.

    Raptors fans only hate VC due to his attitude towards the trade.

    If Bosh left, due to his contract expire; most or all raptors fans will cheer for him. No matter the outcome.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    To be honest, I think the graduation thing got blown out of proportion by the media. I didn’t even care about that. And he came back to play so I don’t know why it was even in the conversation. I don’t think a bulk of the actual people in Toronto actually mention the graduation thing, it’s more of the not trying.
    When he was hurt it was understandable, but even when he was healthy (before he left Toronto), you could see him playing half-assed. Dude wasn’t even trying. Coach back then needed him to drive and draw fouls, he settled for ill-advised fadeaways. He was holding back. And what probably gets at people the most is that he was 100% as soon as he got to NJ. Which was quite evident that he wasn’t give 2 sh!ts about Toronto.
    Don’t get me wrong though, I respect his game. But his method of exit was disrespectful to Toronto.

  • migs

    niQ’s right – the graduation thing was blown way out of proportion, and isn’t even an issue anymore. If anything, the Nelly concert incident might be a more appropriate example of why TO hates VC.

  • david

    He jumped over a 7’3″ Frenchman and dunked while wearing a USA jersey in the freaking olympics of all places…I will cheer him everytime I see him

  • Joe Buddy

    LOL @ “Allow me to remind you, my friends in the “Town of York,” that Vince Carter is the reason why you guys still have a team up there in the first place.”
    to.

  • Joe Buddy

    LOL @ “Allow me to remind you, my friends in the “Town of York,” that Vince Carter is the reason why you guys still have a team up there in the first place.”

  • ehrof

    We as Raptors fans don’t hate Vince because he went to his graduation (on a side note: if this happened on any other team, there would be the same outcry from fans). We hate him because he quit. Not only did he quit, he told everyone he quit.

    I will continue to attend Raptors games against Vince and I will continue to start the “GO RAPS GO – VC SUCKS” chant.

    I will never respect him as a basketball player. He has ability and talent (no one can deny that) but he quit on us.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    As much as Raps fans want to downplay the whole graduation thing as a non-issue and say that it was blown out of proportion, keep in mind that it was a big deal when it happened and people did bash him for it. In fact, it was on TSN’s ‘Top 10 Reason’s To Hate Vince Carter’. I believe it was #4 if I’m not mistaken. People may feel burned and say that he quit on the team, but Raps fans should ask themselves if they quit on him? It was anything but a match made in heaven, but accountability needs to be taken on all sides. And, it’s about time to bury the hatchet, no?

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    I’m not your buddy, friend.
    I dont think anyone seriously entertains any other thought on VC’s exit on Toronto as shameful fleeing; dude just whined and played (poorly) his way out of there.. However, I know its the last thing he ‘gave’ the city/country but come on most of y’all Raps fans really need to let go, he undeniably did soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much for you all. Balance it out, don’t forgive the quitter but don’t hate on him, that sh!t gets you no where! Anyway, he’s obviously a lesser man (except on the court) so he’s hardly worth it

  • itaigruss

    article mad good. your last paragraph? slackin

  • Scruffz

    Funny story. I was in the tunnel when Vince was going to the locker room after Sundays game. People were asking him for his jersey, so he takes it off…but he wipes his face with it and keeps on walking. (For the record, he did sign an autograph and give high fives to people).

    Someone playfully called him out on it in the hallway, saying he faked them out of a jersey. Vince gave a wink and said, “They boo me, then they want my jersey”. I actually felt embarrassed to be a Raptors fan at that moment, knowing that he was absolutely right..and that a lot of fans here in Toronto are absolutely stupid. I actually heard boos for Vince, but then a lot of cheers for Dwight yesterday. How messed up is that?

  • Scruffz

    Keep, are you serious?

    “I’m not ok if you tell everyone that Toronto was a terrible place for your career.”

    Vince has ALWAYS said that Toronto has a place in his heart, because this is where his career began. He never, ever has anything bad to say about this city of Raptors fans. Even though he gets treat like complete garbage when he shows up at the ACC, he’s always handled it with class. Once he started getting hurt fans and media started turning on him. Why would anyone want to play in a situation like that? The fans let him down way before he let down the fans.

  • Ree Roe

    Toronto doesn’t know how to treat it’s American basketball stars & it’s sad. VC wasn’t perfect & made some mistakes, but the booing & hate he gets from Raptors fans sicken me. I 100% agree with this article.

  • Toronto since 95

    Been a fan in Toronto since 95 and Vince was our best pure talent. That being said his actions in his final year of his stay here was nothing short of a disgrace to the game, so yes I was there on Sunday and yes I booed, but I’m the same fan that gave Oakley a standing O when he came back, I even gave J. O’neal a polite cheer when he was introduced. They deserve it, you want an intelligent b-ball fan base well then we are smart enough to see a joke when it’s in front of us. Hope he never wins a championship guys like that don’t deserve it……

  • luis quezada

    lol who cares if they hate him, IT’S CANADA LOL. nobody cares about canada

  • Flight

    I have a feeling this article won’t change any Toronto fan’s minds. I still feel he turned his back on the franchise. Not to mention the things he pulls when he returns to the ACC. Like talking directly to the camera responded to Chris Bosh’s MVP chants.. “Mvp?..Wow.”.

  • Marko

    Vince Carter is the definition of an immature, selfish, ignorant douchebag, and most of all a COWARD. Its not like he wasn’t loved in Toronto. The fans loved him, he could have signed any contract he wanted. The team started to struggle but played for a committed fan base for a wealthy and respectable organization. He wasn’t the only one suffering from poor management and lack of vision in the organization, his team-mates were in the same position. They still went out every night and more often then not gave it their all. But, no that was too difficult for Vince. He needed his mom to move in and manage his professional life, created a rift with his once loyal fans, and lost respect with anyone who loves the game of basketball and respects the legends of the game. Not only did he give up on a city, an organization, millions of fans around the world, he gave up on his team mates. The guys who played every night and looked to Vince as their leader had to walk out onto the floor and wonder whether he felt like playing today or whether he would succumb to some phantom injury. But, good for Vince he went on to a stellar New Jersey team (sarcasm) and has so far done absolutely nothing to set his career apart as a legend. His best years were in Toronto and could have continued, but I guess he just didn’t wanna dunk anymore. I wish Vince the best of luck on the Magic and apologize in advance to the people of Orlando for now being graced with Vince’s presence. Because no matter how he does on your team, he will always be a loser and a quitter. Not even 5 rings can change that.

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan2.0

    OK first of all, all u americans are the ones talking ignorant. personally, i like Vince carter…scratch that, love him. went to his basketball camp when i was younger… and when he left, i was really upset, but who wouldn’t be… All the fans that still hate vince have reason too, because he did quit, and he did act like he was un interested… That being said, i still like him, and hope tht his jersey is retired someday… but the booing never gets old and it makes the games more exciting…so keep it up!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Ummm, what? The Raptors were STILL a playoff team when Carter decided skip out.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Not that I h@te Carter.

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan2.0

    @rzawva: umm first of all, Shaq didnt quit playing in his later years with orlando.. second, You call Aaron and Eric Williams “something”?? hahaah get outta herre

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    Im not canadian or a Raptors fan…As a player one of my all time favourites even though he shoots too mutch.. but he was a douchbag to that franshise and that has nothing to do with him being their best player ever!

  • Easy-E

    I was feeling you up until;

    “I guess when you’re an American, multi-millionaire professional athlete playing north of the border, you’re supposed to go out and play hard for ‘their’ team no matter what the circumstances.”

    “their team”??????

    Last time I checked, at the time, it was his team too, regardless of his citizen. I feel that was kinda bigoted. We need to drop this “America is the Greatest” stuff sometimes.

    But I agree with your point, he doesn’t deserve to still be “hated.” But he deserved some criticism…

  • Dagger

    “Let’s be honest, how many of us could give our all when the team that we’re playing on is no good?”

    This is an infuriating and juvenile line. This man is getting paid countless millions of dollars to perform his job. Most of us get paid a fraction of that amount and you damn well bet we do our best. He should be grateful for where he’s at, where all he needs to do is play the game at the highest level he is capable of.

    You also suggest that Toronto should be grateful for Vince Carter. Well I’d suggest Vince should have been a bit more grateful for the love of an entire country. Not to mention, you know, leadership of a team. Did I mention money?

  • Dagger

    Oh, and Toronto is a city of 5 million people with a passionate fanbase for basketball. Pretty sure the team would still be there were it not for VC.

  • floe

    bryan i don’t know you, but you’re a retard. vince didn’t put tdot on the map tdot put vince out to the world to rejoice.

  • http://www.slamonline.com kh

    I love when people call Vince out for going to his graduation…20, 7 and 9…I hate to imagine his numbers if he had skipped it.

    I could never comprehend when people argue about the amount of money players make and how they should give their all regardless of what’s happening around them, they are HUMAN! Regardless of your rate of pay there are going to be times when you just don’t like your boss, your job, your fellow employees, whatever the case may be. So just because they make more money it should be different?
    It’s so easy to judge, so difficult to understand.

  • Balherett3

    It stings the way he left the franchise but i still got mad love for V.C. I’ll admit I booed him for a bit, but after I accepted his decision that you have move on.(it’s sports afterall)I don’t understand why people up here can’t let it go. Like the man has BEEN on another team and TRADED to Orlando what the hell!Just cause the Leafs suck don’t mean you should hold all your Raptors screw ups to Vince Cater.
    Maybe people would stay here longer if so many Raptors fans weren’t on bandwagons.

  • Thewsanity

    I’m a huge vinsanity fan..wait til vc dunks on all you raptors fans!

  • Heals

    It is always so entertaining when he plays there (thanks to his play and the crowd reactions) I am surprised they are never nationally televised more often when they happen…

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