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Thursday, November 19th, 2009 at 10:00 am  |  82 responses

Five-Year Anniversay of ‘The Brawl’

Sorry, I forgot to get you a gift on this momentous occasion: “Five years ago today, in the final minute of a blowout statement victory over the defending champion Pistons, former Pacer Ron Artest fouled Ben Wallace, who then shoved Artest. Rather than retaliate, Artest retreated to the scorer’s table — until Pistons fan John Green hit Artest with a beer cup. What followed shook the NBA, destroyed the Pacers’ realistic championship hopes and contributed mightily to the revamped roster you see today. In the chaos that ensued on national television, Artest launched himself into the stands and exchanged punches with fans. Stephen Jackson followed him and also came to blows. Jermaine O’Neal punched a fan who ran onto the court. Angry patrons threw trash and insults at the Pacers as they left the arena. ‘That was the beginning of the end of things for the organization,’ former Indiana Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said. ‘It set things in motion.”‘

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  • http://slamonline.com maclovenotwar

    i love stephen jackson

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I still love that JO knocked that fat bit*h on his ass with one punch when he thought he was going to square up like he was in a boxing match or some sh*t. Jamal Tinsley coming out of the tunnel with the broom picker up thing was a close second though.

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    The one person I found in excusable during all this was Jackson. Artest went after the guy who threw a beer at him and then got attacked by other Pistons fans. Rasheed and someone else went in there to separate everyone. Jackson went in there and ATTACKED people. One guy he decked was just watching. Not sure why he only got nine days suspension.

  • tavoris

    Jukai, it was because Artest was ALREADY a pariah to the league. Jackson’s “thuggery” (using the term VERY loosely) was still unknown at that point.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    seriously, nobody even did anything to SJax, he just went in guns a blazin’ and started punching people. I just remember being in utter shock at the whole event. I was driving home from work and my dad called and said “when you get home ytou NEED to turn on the Pistons game!”.

  • d.j.

    Steven went in there to help his boy out ! if you got friends u know what im talking about if ur boy is getting whooped and would u just b sitting there watching… anyways point aside none of them should have been suspended i think cause they were provoked 1st..

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    Was it really the final minute? I thought there was still time left?

  • tavoris

    dj…i don’t disagree with Ron or any other player going into the stands. I do, however, think that the players have a responsibility to act as professionals, and let the security at the venue handle rowdy fans.

  • BIRDMAN JR

    How come fans think its their birth right to act like they run shit. Just because a player makes millions of dollars doesn’t mean they cant retaliate like anyone whose provoked. Fans complaining bout players being spoiled and crap is bullsh**. Go check and see what the owners are making of these players and find out whose really spoiled. F those fans in the D that started it and they got what they deserved and more. Just because you had a few drinks in ya doesn’t mean ur superman and can take on a 6-10 240 athlete.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    I’m gonna throw a beer at everyone in the office I don’t like today in honor of John Green. I’m gonna need a thirty pack.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Great story on the brawl in our next issue. By one of the best writers in the biz (who happened to be there).

  • peter
  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    You’ve got to be joking d.j. They didn’t deserve suspensions?! People talk smack, throw stuff, and just act like jack-a$$es all the time at sporting events! These people get paid to be loved by thier fans and hated by other fans, they have to expect people to be idiots and not react. What about refs? They get crap all the time! Is it okay for them to storm into the stands and punch people?

  • tavoris

    Wayno, I think both parties were wrong. However, the greater responsibility is to the fans to CONTROL THEMSELVES IN PUBLIC. I think the reaction is less accountable than the ACTION…u feel me? Saying “it happens all the time” or “these guys get paid millions” is no excuse to tolerate having things thrown at you while you’re supposed to be working.

  • tavoris

    Ben…definitely looking forward to it…it sure was a sore topic back then.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    If someone threw a beer at me I’d f*ck them up. I don’t care if you make a billion dollars you’re still a man and deserve respect.

  • UnRel

    @Brad Long… that’s funny.. cause i’ll need a few kegs..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Of course the fan has a responsibility to control themself, but how could you say that thier responsibility is any greater than that of the person getting paid millions knowing full well that any time you play an away game people will hate you? I know these atheletes are human, but whether you, they, or anyone else likes it or not, having more fame/wealth/power automatically gives a greater amount of responsibility, that’s just a fact of life. It’s not the same as if two average guys get in a fight on the street.

  • http://fdjklf.com Jukai

    d.j: Jackson was attacking people who had nothing to do with it. If he went into break up the fight at hand, it would be one thing. He was going after people who were stands above what was happening to Ron!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I wonder how many more years we will have to read about this anniversary.

  • tavoris

    look at it this way, wayno. Who caused the ruckus? The jerkoff who threw the beer AFTER Artest walked away from a potential fight with Ben Wallace. Would the brawl had occured if the beer wasn’t thrown? No, because Artest had walked away from Wallace, and the game was almost over. Does that need anymore explanation of initial (which=greater)responsibility? Nope.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    Refs can throw fans out of areans if they become to abusive. Were you unaware of this fact?
    Buying a ticket does not give you the right to throw stuff at another human being. Period.
    If you physically attack someone, which is what throwing stuff at them is, you deserve to get beat the eff up. Period.

  • tavoris

    Allenp, that incident changed how we view athletes (not in a good way). I think it’ll keep goin on as long as Artest & Jackson are in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    Explain how the players shirked their responsibility.
    They were playing a game, they did not randomly attack fans who had been cursing them and abusing them all night.
    Nope, Artest only attacked after a fan THREW something at him.
    Where did he fail to uphold his responsibility as a millionaire?
    I think Artest was wrong for attacking the wrong fan. I think Jackson was a little out of bounds for just randomnly punching people. But, I understand why Jackson when in the stands and I understand why Artest did as well. When people start throwing stuff at you, they have crossed the line and decided you are no longer a full-fledged member of the human race deserving of hte respect given to all human beings. You are now some sort of animal who can be abused if you fail to behave in an acceptable manner.
    I understnd completley why that would result in violence.

  • Roberto

    Yeah, THANKS FOR REMINDING ME!!! D@mn you SLAM!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    first, the guy who threw the beer is a total moron, I’m not defending him now you’re honestly saying that it would have been ok if he went up several rows and punched out the person who actually did throw the beer?!?! Seriously man? It’s not like the dude was squaring up getting ready to get into a fist fight, he was a drunk retard who threw a plastic cup of beer. It’s hardly defending yourself or even acceptable for a professional athelete to travel up several rows of seats to seek this guy out and punch him. Are you insane dude??? You seriously think that’s ok??!?!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Also Tavoris, the only reason Arest walked away from a potential fight with Wallace is because Ben Wallace could have torn his arms off and shoved them up his a$$…Who wouldn’t try to get away from that dude? Yes, the idiot fan initiated the fight, but honestly, to go that far out of your way to punch the dude as a PROFESSIONAL ATHELETE is insane, the suspension was VERY appropriate. SJax shoulda gotten more though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I like Ron Artest alot as a player, but I don’t see how anyone could defend him in that situation.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wayno
    Are you seriously arguing that buying a ticket gives you the ability to throw things and the players without them retaliating against you?
    If that’s what you’re arguing that we really have no need to discuss this topic further.
    The fan Artest, he responded The entire incident could have been avoided if the fans behaved like sensible human beings. I saw nothing crazy about Artest’s response. I saw something very human about it.
    Nobody can come to my job and throw stuff at me because they are unhappy. It doesn’t work like that.
    You seem to be admitting that the fan initiated a violent situation but believe that the onus is on Artest to refuse to fight because he makes a lot of money.
    A lot of people in this world seem to feel that if you make a lot of money, you should just put up with almost anything.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    If I was in Artests shoes, I would have f*cking knocked out the guy who threw that beer too.

  • Juanny

    I remember being in Florida and watching that happen live, which ironically, had I been in my hometown in Ontario I wouldn’t have seen nada.. I was speechless, my gramps was laughin, and kids in the stands were crying. Mixed emotions to say the least.

    but stop and think for a minute… J-O in his prime, RonRon and Steven Jackson!? oh the powers that be, be you in power for much longer, i be an exclusive ncaa fan by 2015

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    No, buying a ticket doesn’t give you that right, but dude has a lifetime ban from the Palace…it’s called letting the authorities deal with punishing people. I’m glad you though his response was “human” because last time I checked humans can be VERY wrong in thoer reaction. Humans get wasted at sporting events and occaisionally throw things…the fan’s reaction to Artest’s foul on Ben Wallace must be “human” then and by your logic it was okay…Just because Ron Artest’s reaction was “human” in no way makes it right. Also, it’s not just because he’s rich, it’s because having fame,wealth, and power absolutely DOES mean you need to act more responsibly and put up with more. This is a fact of life, you see it every day! Like I said, there is a difference between drunk retarded fan throwing a PLASTIC CUP and if the fan were to come up to Ron Artest and try to fight him. Ron Artest wasn’t defending himself, he was being a raging lunatic who wanted to punch somebody. Did the guy deserve to be punched? Probably. Was it a Professional athelete’s place to make sure that happened? Absolutely not.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    The fan was way out of line, you shouldn’t egg players on or throw things EVER, but two wrongs don’t make a right either and the action of the fan in no way justifies the reaction of the player.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I’d say that “with great power comes great responsibility”, but that quote is from Spiderman and would make me sound like a total nerd…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m still waiting for that Ron Artest/ John Green show that Ron-Ron promised was in the process of happening.

  • tavoris

    wayno, u dont get it. we agree with you that the players should not react in that manner. However, you refuse to concede that the fan could have prevented the incident by sitting on his arse & letting the pacers finish beating the pistons. His action STARTED the whole thing. That’s the most important part. ARTEST DID NOT WALK AWAY FROM WALLACE BECAUSE OF FEAR. Artest walked away becaue he realized that Ben Wallace was baiting him.

  • IndyB

    The fan who threw the beer was rewarded by a championship for his team that year. The suspensions broke up a team that the pistons honestly could not handle. John Green singlehandedly ruined my franchise for five years and I bet he still smiles when he thinks about it. I do not call this justice.

  • tavoris

    wayno, Sports Illustrated has an excellent article about “The Brawl” on their website, written by a reporter who was at the game.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    From the SI story Tavoris mentioned:
    Artest, contrary to common opinion, didn’t hit the fan he thought had thrown the beer. He grabbed him, lost his balance and the two grabbed on to one another. After Artest’s teammates ran into the stands, however, a bar-room brawl erupted. The man who threw the beer at Artest, a convicted felon named John Green, grabbed Artest from behind and began hitting him. Artest turned and threw a soft punch at Green, then walked back onto the court. There, another fan, wearing a white Pistons jersey, approached Artest with a menacing look. Artest threw a forearm to his chest, but it was blocked. Artest tried to throw another punch, but by then teammates and security officials tackled him. Another fan, also wearing a white Pistons jersey, tried to join the scrum, but Jermaine O’Neal came rushing in to throw a punch. O’Neal slipped on the beer-soaked court, which reduced the force and accuracy of his blow. Anthony Johnson also threw a punch at a fan who had walked freely onto the end of the court.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    More
    The brawl was as much a story of the modern media culture as a sports story. Talk to basketball players of past eras and they’ll proudly tell stories of their fights, some of which involved fans. Those episodes, however, were lightly reported by the newspapers, barely punished by the league and quickly forgotten by everyone. Not so in today’s 24-hour news cycle.

    Replays of Pacers’ fighting in the stands ran endlessly on television and no doubt influenced opinion. That was one reason Stern reacted so swiftly and firmly — to send a message to fans and sponsors alike that his league didn’t tolerate lawlessness.

    He also sent a message of inconsistency, however. In February 1995, for example, Houston’s Vernon Maxwell rushed 12 rows into the stands and struck in the head a man who had heckled him. That seemed as bad an offense as the one Artest committed, with less provocation. Maxwell was suspended for 10 games and fined $20,000. Stern himself later admitted to second thoughts about his punishment of Artest and considered bringing him back for the playoffs, but decided against it.
    It’s truly amazing how many people hold opinions based on skewed or erroneous information.

  • tavoris

    I’ve been saying the same thing as long as I’ve been posting here. Maybe some other people will realize the power that the media possesses, in addition to how they often misuse it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    dude, I saw the whole thing a million times just like everyone else. How am I refusing to concede that the fan started it? I said it in almost every post. Of course the fan started it, but Ron or any player shouldn’t go into the stands period. The fan started it, the responsibility after that is for the professional atheletes not to react in that manner. You need to work on your reading comprehension fellas. SJax and Ron both deserved to be gone for the season. If there are fans on the floor going after you it’s a different story, but they both charged into the stands yet you two don’t seem to think that they should be held responsible for it because somebody else started it.

  • Cizzo

    Remember that day like it was yesterday, holarious,………….on top of being completely unecessary. Let’s keep that in our ugly past!

  • underdog

    Good ‘ol days…

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    This stuff brings the game into disrepute (for outsiders) but as a ball fan, I gotta say this game was epic, and shall be long remebered for being truly one of the funniest things ive ever seen on a court, all because of a cup!!! you could sense it building though way before, like watching a kettle boil….

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Allen: I’m not sure I believe that. Artest’s recount of the situation has changed multiple times, and if you watch it, it didn’t look like he grabbed anyone, just went after the wrong people.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jukai
    That wasn’t Artest’s account. That was a sportswriter’s account of what he saw happened.
    Wayno
    My reading comprehension is fine. We just disagree on assigning responsibility.
    I agree with you that every human being is responsible for their own choices in life. Artest made a choice to go in the stands. So did Jackson. They have to live with that choice.
    We just disagree on whether that choice was reasonable. Clearly you believe that if somebody came to your job and threw food at you without provocation, the correct and justifiable response would be to alert the authorities and let them handle it. I think that’s a good response, but I think you would be justified if you punched the person who threw the food.
    Where I grew up, people fought for less.

  • tavoris

    Jukai, that wasnt Artests recount. that was the account of a reporter that was there. He’s reflecting on his initial response(which was universally mirrored in support of the players & contempt to the fans), & how that changed after Stern took his chance to expose Artest as an all-around bad guy.

  • tavoris

    Allenp, maybe wayno thinks the millions of dollars was supposed to make these guys FORGET the first twenty or so years of their lives. Cuz, money changes all people immediately and comprehensively.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Oh sorry, misread the article. Thought the article tried to convey that Artest “slipped and took someone down with him.”
    I watched the video replay multiple times. Artest took the guy who he THOUGHT threw the beer (who didn’t, buy the way, Artest attacked an innocent person) and grabbed him and flung him to the ground. Slipped or not, he meant to take that guy down.
    I don’t like that SI article. I woulda done what Ron did and bashed the dude’s skull in, but let’s not sugar coat it, Ron went into the crowd to beat the hell out of the guy. He should not have been suspended for a year, but he did what he did.

  • tavoris

    i dont think the writer was trying to portra artest & innocent (impossible). He’s trying to explain how perception of the situation was molded by the media-who were (at the time) putty in David Stern’s hands. He made theplayers the villians, and the media jumped at the opportunity to villianize the rick black “thugs”-even tho their instinct was to SIDE with them initially.

    You can feel however you want about Artest, but the media’s influence on shaping public opinion cannot be disputed.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Co sign allenp 100%. I used to work at a place where customers got in my face and became very abusive and my reaction was almost always one warning followed by physically removing the person from my space. If I got poked , pushed, touched or threatened my reaction was much more swift and severe. You do not hit people throw things at people or menace people whether they make 10k or 10 mil a year period. No offense wayno but its people with opinions like yours that enable people to think that they can throw objects at professional athletes without proper repercussions because the athlete should know better because they make money? Everyone can be professional in the face of adversity name calling,racial slurs cursing etc but once it crosses the physical line artest had every right to beat the sh*t out of that guy without remorse and so does everyone else. Now jackson saw his teamate in a crowd of 20k and charged after him and if you’ve seen it as many times as you said you know what happened next, but just in case. Artest got grabbed from behind and the first fan jackson hit threw a full cup of beer in artests face as his arms were pinned behind his back. Where was the wrong doing? If I throw a drink in your face and you don’t swing at me , your buddy probably would. Its just what you do. Is there a better way to respond? Maybe but you can’t say artest or jackson have anymore responsibility than any other man because of their paycheck that’s ridiculous.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Tavoris: Maybe. I felt the fans got away with a lot, in the medias eyes.
    But the end result is, some of those fans got in a lot more legal trouble than the players. Most of the players got community service. Some of those fans got some jail time.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Damn! Bryan is right! Jackson DID punch the guy who threw beer at Artest!
    I had never noticed that before!
    That… that actually changes my opinion of Jackson a lot in this ordeal.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    I have to apologize and withdraw my previous statements above about Jackson. From what I originally saw, I just Captain Jack just ran up into the crowd and started punching the people around Artest, people who were either watching or grabbing him to break up the fight. Now I see he literally went after the guy who ran up to Artest as he was being dragged away and tossed another full cup of beer at him. Jackson MAY have been up there to break up the fight but went after the guy who was causing more trouble.
    Thanks for clearing that up Bryan.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Dude, it’s not about the paycheck, you’re missing the point. It’s about how to conduct yourself as someone with power and influence. I think we can all agree that an NBA star certainly has significant level of influence and power. He wasn’t in dnager, he wasn’t defending himself, he was going apesh!t and trying to pound the dude. Whatever, obviously nobody is going to convince anyone of anything in this argument so y’all can go ahead and beat the sh!t out of eachother all you want.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    so all you guys that like to get physical as a retaliation….I’m guessing your the ones that like to call fouls everytime up the floor when playing in a scrimmage on saturday afternoons??

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    hah, good call Dacre

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    but then get suuuuper p!ssed when you call one legit foul on them later.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Darce what correlation does that have? Playing physical basketball is a lot different than getting a drink thrown in my face. I’m guessing you guys that don’t like to get physical as retaliation for people getting physical with you probably get pushed around a lot.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Dude, if someone shoves me, throws a punch, or charges at me or something yeah I’ll throw down, but if some drunk jacka$$ 20 yards away throws something I’d probably just be like “wtf?”. How do you not see that there is a big difference between that situation and someone trying to fight you?

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    So you’re at a club and someone on the other side of the bar throws his hunch punch at you you’re just gonna stand there and say wtf really? You’re not gonna at least get in his face? Remind me to never hit the club with you unless I want my ass kicked.

  • vic21

    Detroit fans deserved that and more.

  • tavoris

    wayno…so, a player is supposed to think about their “influence” when they are physically provoked by a fan? does that make them more culpable?
    really dude, you’re trying to change “money” for “influence” to make the same fallible argument.
    @ Jukai, it’s not even a maybe. The media has-and uses that power REGULARLY. It’s been the way of the world for decades. That’s the reality that the concept of propaganda is built on. and the only fan that got it bad was the one that threw the drink. And his penalty was like a week in jail and a year of community svc, not to mentioned being banned from NBA games. That still pales to a 76 game suspension for Artest-in addition to the permanent scar on perception to the world. The thing that sux about that is Artest is UNIVERSALLY loved by any player, fan, coach, or reporter that’s ever met the guy.

  • tavoris

    if u ask anybody unfamiliar with Artest of their opinion, you’ll get responses somewhere between Dennis Rodman and Mike Tyson. Hes a big, tough, guy, but the unpopular articles fail to mention how selflessly generous, kind, and welcoming to fans he’s always been.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Wayno: you’re a p&ssy. Sorry man.
    Tavoris: the dude got a felony assault charge put on his record. That’s going to hurt him WAY more than Artest missing 76 games. It’s not even close.
    And I agree, Artest does get the bum end of every article written about him. Every story I’ve heard about Ron Artest is about how honest he is, how he always listens to you, how he says hi to every fan and loves the attention. He’s generally a great guy. I mean, he went to people’s houses he’s never met and sang Kareoke! Socially, he’s a role model.
    However, as you well know, Artest certainly isn’t a saint and he CERTAINLY makes it easy for the media. He has been in many scuffles before and AFTER the brawl in the palace, and has a very short fuse on the court. He tried to attack Pat Riley, he has destroyed a total of two cameras in anger, and been suspended multiple times for ‘conduct detrimental to the team,’ He has been arrested for both spousal and animal abuse. So yeah, the media paints him in a dark light, but uh… you may want to look at his track record.

  • tavoris

    I don’t disagree, but certain “icons” have similar track records. MJ has a not-so-well-known history of philandering, gambling, fighting teammates, getting coaches fired, getting players traded, etc….in addition to NEVER interacting with reporters or fans beyond his obligations. Yet, he’s considered a MUCH GREATER role model.

    Artest is a live wire…has been since he was at St. John’s. However, perception is not always reality.

  • tavoris

    Magic-his playing days were riddled with far more drinking & partying than most people can comprehend. It was so bad back in the day, that people didn’t know how AC Green survived as a Laker with his morals.

  • http://fjkld.com Jukai

    Tavoris: MJ’s problems are pretty well known, they were just downplayed, or twisted into a different light. I don’t think the media is ‘exposing’ Artest’s flaws as much as they tried to hide all of Jordan’s problems, y’know? When Kobe yells at his teammates, he’s a douche. When Jordan did it, it was his competitive spirit.
    Plus money never smacked around his girlfriend.
    And don’t think drinking and partying doesn’t go on nowadays; once again, it’s all about who the media reports about. Walton, Brown, and the machine were known to go out and bone as many females as possible during off-nights. They are relatively successful. That’s not really reported. Of course, Iverson goes to strip clubs and casinos all the time and that’s reported like a new swine flu death.

  • J

    sheed, who is i think top 3 (1.rodman, 2. Kemp) all-time as the most bad-ass guys in the league, never jumped into it and instead he was separating them,

  • chintao

    It should be mandatory to type “no homo” after any reference to AC Green.

  • tavoris

    @chintao, u can’t allude to that for a guy that only missed 3 games in his whole 13-year career.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    So I’m a p&ssy because I don’t feel like getting assault charges because some cat throws a drink at me…alright dude, whatever. I’ll let that dude get thrown out and I’ll stay wherever I am and have more fun instead of getting my a$$ tossed out as well. I know i know, it makes me less of a man to not want to beat the sh!t outta drunk dudes at the drop of a hat. Go f(ck yourself jukai.

  • http://Slamonline.com NUPE

    In the heat of the moment, I understand how the players reacted. The right thing was to let security handle it, instead their emotions got the best of them. Now that was the most expensive fight they’ve ever had and the fact that it’s still getting talked about shows how it’s impacted their reputations as well. Both fans and athletes should have to follow some form of ‘rules of conduct’. Fans say all sorts of mean things to and about players – well within the players ability to hear. I’m not one to resort to violence but if some of the things that fans have said to some players – I would have wanted to hit em. When fans throw things at players, that’s clearly crossing the line and more provocative than just name calling. So if an already angry player is within punching range to a fan, and then gets something thrown at them or spit at/on (that happens too) – I completely understand wanting to retaliate. However as a professional, you should be held to a higher standard and refrain. I don’t think these guys did the right thing and I don’t think of them negatively for what they did in the one isolated instance. But other players have endured a lot worse than some name calling and having a drink thrown at them without causing a scene.

  • http://Slamonline.com NUPE

    Imagine what would have happened if Jackie Robinson would have retaliated against fans. And I’m sure he endured a lot worse than Artest et. al.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    cosign NUPE – very well said. They marred thier own reputation by doing this, the media did nothing wrong by reporting it.

  • tavoris

    NUPE, in case u didn’t notice in the vid…THERE WAS NO SECURITY. The fight was broken up by 1)the teams and 2)the Police. Part of the problem was that the Pistons had very little security at the game.
    @wayno-u don’t get it. The media is always right. end of discussion with you.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Whatever man, you’re the one who thinks that the media is an evil lie spewing machine whos primary goal is to take down the black man…unless they say something that you want to hear anyways. You’re a bit delusional there homie.

  • tavoris

    wayno, who said anything about race? It’s common knowledge that the media builds celebrities up to break them back down. There are basically 4 stories that sell: 1)sex, 2)rags-to-riches, 3)the fallen hero, and 4)the comeback. Any freshman-level marketing course would tell you that. Are you still in high school?

  • tavoris

    No, most of the media is an not an evil-spewing lie machine. But it’s 99% a money-hungry spin machine. Did your mom EVER tell you not to believe EVERYTHING you hear? I bet you think Larry Brown & George Karl are the most honest coaches in the NBA, and that Isiah Thomas didn’t try to kill himself a few months ago just because he said it was his daughter.

  • chintao

    @ tavoris ==> I do not question A.C. Green’s toughness. I’ve met some pretty tough gay guys. I only question how he was able to remain a virgin until after his NBA career ended. Dude must like dudes.

  • tavoris

    chintao…he’s an ordained minister that took his oath seriously. I don’t think there’s anything homo about that.

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