Thursday, November 26th, 2009 at 9:30 am  |  78 responses

Jason Kidd Now 2nd All-Time in Assists

Last night, the great Jason Kidd became the second all-time career assist leader in NBA history: “Jason Kidd moved into second place on the NBA’s career assists list, Jason Terry scored 27 points and the Dallas Mavericks shot 65.5 percent in a 130-99 victory over the Houston Rockets on Wednesday night. Kidd delivered seven assists to reach 10,337 in his career. He came in needing five to pass Mark Jackson’s career total (10,334), and now trails only John Stockton (15,806).”

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  • Yesse

    Now i dont think Jason is really passing John Stockton.Unless he plays to the time when he comes 40 years old.Then it’s not impossible.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    Nah I severely doubt anyone, anytime soon will come near Stockton’s total, Kidd is a supreme assister, he’s been playing pff 15 or so seasons? He’d would need another 5 or 6 seasons after this one to to reach John’s total if he keeps up with his current… then he would be wayyy past 40, he’s nearly 37 now isnt he?

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    Anyway, props to Kidd for his feat, he taught me alot about basketball, albeit indirectly, and more than some coaches!

  • nastierthanu

    Yup j kidd is my age and he’s from the class of ’92 (high school). He used to serve up alley oops during all star games like no other. Saw him play in college. Texas southern vs cal. Me and a host of ballers went toi check out the hype around this kid. He didn’t have an amazing stat sheet. Maybe 13pts 6 or 7 dimes but his presence,ball control, and b ball iq was outstanding. I knew he’d be nice. He also liked to dunk of the right foot with his left. Unusual. Lamond murry was the effin truth though big boy soft jumper dribbles to. He was nasty

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    classy vet..congrats!

  • TC

    one of the greatest…..just an awesome player,

  • http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3445/3357407353_c868c2d95c.jpg larrylegend

    thx 4 watching and learning from one of the greatest pg ever!

  • Orlando Woolridge

    Damn, JKidd is great, but to me this is more of reminder of how dominant Stockton was. Respect.

  • J-RO

    only active player that might reach the top three would be Chris Paul…

  • http://slamonline.com ben osborne

    Mark is still my main man.

  • dma

    stockton also had the luxury of playing in an era of shooting with more than 10 seconds left on the shotclock as well as in a system with a lot of movement. the nba as we know it for the past 10 years emphasizes on isolation and dribbling the clock down to 5 before making a move.

  • http://www.laumol.nl/weblog Laumol

    Any young PG right now aiming for Stockton’s record? Chris Paul? Deron Williams? Jose Calderon? Rajon Rondo? Devin Harris? Or is Nash still making a run?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Congratulations, Jason Kidd!

  • LeoneL

    It all comes down to the people they’re passing to. After all assists don’t count unless the shot is good. And Stockton happened to play with a guy who’s one of the best in finishing in the post. Still, nice piece of work by both Kidd and Stockton…and Mark too!

  • jk_light

    he’s the reason for my screen name so I adore his game a lot and also tried to model my game after him. It already works as I was a bad shooter getting better with age and lost 3 steps on defense.

  • D-R

    Laumol, Nash bloomed way too late for him to threaten Mark Jackson and Kidd, hell enough Stockton. The rest of the people listed after Deron Williams have no chance on general principle.

  • backboard

    haha, jk light, nach deiner beschreibung wären wir zusammen das dynamische jk_light twin backcourt duo…..

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Congrats Kidd!!

  • Shuttlesworth_9

    Jason Kidd my idol. Congratulations.

  • rikson

    Kidd is not better than Iverson…. WTF! hehe…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Congratulations, JKidd. So you get a lot of assists. But can we still call you Ason Kidd because you have no J?

  • Toni Kukoc

    so the Mavs consist of Ason kidd and Irk Nowitzki?!

  • buugi

    if he keeps up his career average (like 9,1 or so), then he will pass Stockton when he’s 43- 44. Pretty unrealistic.

  • a_whiteman

    Jason kidd>iverson?????

  • Hoodsnake

    Congrats JKidd…thing is he has gotten a lot of rebounds also and converted those into assists with his Marshall Bravestarr vision. Think his record as 2nd best will also stand for a long time and maybe he can push for a ring which will end his career on a sweet note

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    whiteman, thats a serious question?? jkidd>>>>>iverson! and i actually respect ai’s game.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    I don’t think he’ll reach Stockton’s milestone, but prove me wrong.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Whoa. Stockton’s lead is huge, I really don’t think anyone will ever get close to his record.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Whoa. Stockton’s lead is huge, I really don’t think anyone will ever get close to his record.

  • jk_light

    @backboard: From where do you know that I speak german and what would you bring to our dynamic duo?
    The bricks, the bad defense or both. At least we have court vision and passing ability.

  • jk_light

    Jason Kidd was the purest and greatest PG I witnessed while growing up and playing ball myself.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton


  • Niio

    Always loved Kidd’s game! Triple double threat every time he steps on the floor. No better rebounding guard/point guard in the game. Led his team to back to back finals, was robbed of an MVP what more can I say? Oh yeah does Kidd have a legit nickname? (not JKidd, or Ason)

  • LA Huey

    Congrats, JKidd! And like everyone else has noted, “Wow, Stock. Wow…”

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    @Niio. It used to actually be Flash. Then people started called Wade that.

  • http://none The Philosopher

    He’s what Michael Ray Richardson was supposed to become.

  • http://none The Philosopher

    As far as serving alley – opps, Jason Kidd is the best of all time, better than Magic. And in his prime, no point guard in the NBA finished on the break better. Had he had a mid – range game, he’d own a 20ppg average for his career.

  • Shem

    J kidd is 37 and is stil a good 5000 away. John Stockton really is amazing. He went several years averaging 17 pts and 14 assts. He was ridiculously consistent over 19 years and i forgot about how good of a guard he really was

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    How does Jason Kidd average 6.7 rebounds per game his ENTIRE CAREER? Playing point guard?

  • backboard

    @ jk – i know that you speak german cause i seen u write “Deutsch” on here before. I am on here everyday, ever since Lang started this ish… just because im not commenting doesnt mean i see stuff

    What i would bring to the dynamic backcourt duo? Pretty much the same as you i guess, good vision, strong D – but loosing a step, i am white and i beat my wife… 1 of these is not true!

    Cheers vom Chiemsee!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Yeah, no way he’s catching Stock. Although, I’d take Kidd over Stockton as my PG, just because Kidd is defensively so much better than Stockton.

  • Adrian Zapata

    Magic averaged 11.2 APG, had he played until the 95-96 season, and he played at least 78 games in 91-92, 92-93, 93-94, 94-95, and played a full season in 95-96, he would have 4368 more assist and a 16 year career (2 less than John Stockton)and that would bring his total to roughly 14,289. still short of stockton, but it gives u a great perspective of how great of a passer Magic was. For anyone who did not get to see Magic play, I believe he was the greatest passer of all time! If you go online to look for some games magic played in, dont look at highlights, try to watch a full game, highlights dont do justice of how great magic was at controlling the game. If there was no Larry Bird, Magic would have at least 7 rings!

  • Adrian Zapata

    BTW Tariq, doesn’t Stockton lead the league in Steals all time as well?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Adrian: So?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Adrian: Yeah he does. So what?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Iverson gets a sh*tload of steals. Is Iverson a great defensive player?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    What the fcuk is wrong with wordpress?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Steals don’t necessarily mean a player is a GREAT defensive player, but they definitely don’t mean a player is bad at defense. If you can lead the league in steals, you’re an above average-to-good defender. Pip owned the league in steals because of his over-playing the passing lanes, which made him one of the best defenders ever.

  • http://none The Philosopher

    Magic is the best player of all times. I’ll always and forever believe that. And it is the truth.

  • Holiday

    Wow Tariq, Stockton didn’t physically match up well against the bigger guards but he was hard nosed and never quit! He was a great defender, and his Basketball IQ was way beyond JKidds!

  • Holiday

    And Ill give Magic his due, but pound for pound i still think Stockton was the best! I mean it’s kind of messed up that Magic was as big as Karl Malone! Although I couldn’t blame somebody at all for taking Magic over Stockton, but i wouldn’t!!!

  • tavoris

    Good for Ason. it’s always fun to see a HOF lock acheive such a significant milestone. In my book, Kidd is the 2nd best PG all-time after Magic. Stockton has the record, but that’s as much a product of 1)Sloan’s system, and 2)his amazing durability. Magic was/is clearly the best-& has 5 rings 2 prove it.

  • http://myspace.com/rsaenz24 rog23

    stockton was very good, arguably the best pg of all time. but kidd is def one of the top 3 maybe 4 pgs ever!! no doubt. plus, he just wants to win. doesnt care about scoring, but still very complete player. still a triple double threat some nights

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Your argument for Pip being a great defender (which he most definitely was) based on steals is ludicrous. Scottie Pippen basically was asked to lock up the opposition’s best player every night. More often than not, he was successful. He did this not because he “overplayed the passing lanes,”(which he occasionally did) but because he was a fcuking nuisance. He contested every single shot. He didn’t let the other guy post him up. He was up in the other dude’s nuts. And he had a freakish wingspan for a guy his size. (And of course he hand-checked like crazy). All in all, he played LOCK-DOWN D. Stockton? Not so much. He got steals because, as you put it, he overplayed the passing lanes. But PGs like Payton and Kevin Johnson abused him on the regular.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Stockton is one of the all-time greats, but he is NOT “arguably the best pg of all time”

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Stockton is arguably a better PG than Kidd. You can easily make that argument, even though I may disagree. But 1) He was NOT a great defensive player. That’s just delusional. and 2) Please explain this statement: “his Basketball IQ was way beyond JKidds!” What the heck does that mean?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Teddy the Bear:
    “Steals don’t necessarily mean a player is a GREAT defensive player, but they definitely don’t mean a player is bad at defense. If you can lead the league in steals, you’re an above average-to-good defender.”

    Allen Iverson is always among the league leaders in steals. He is also a defensive liability.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    “Kidd is the 2nd best PG all-time after Magic.”

    Oscar Robertson would like a word. And he’s kinda pissed.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Just to clarify my position on Kidd/Stockton:
    They both have exquisite vision.
    They are both amazingly durable (Stockton more so)
    Stockton can shoot the hell out of that ball. Jason Kidd can’t shoot a lick.
    Kidd is a good defender. Stockton is a defensive liability.
    Kidd is one of the best rebounding point guards I’ve ever seen. (but that’s just gravy. I don’t see this as vital to a PG’s duties)
    So I’m not saying Stockton is a chump. In fact, he’s a hell of a player. I WISH the Lakers had a PG like John Stockton right now. But, he was a defensive liability. Don’t get your panties all up in a bunch because I pointed that out.

  • jufu

    damn we miss captain kidd up in nj

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Tariq, let’s face it: Payton and Kevin Johnson are two of the best point guards ever. They’d abuse any point guard defenders, Jason Kidd included. Saying they exposed Stockton’s D is like saying Reggie Miller exposed Michael’s D.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    An elite scorer will, more often than not, get his. This is true. But when a good defender, someone like, say, Shane Battier, defends Kobe, you can tell that Kobe will have to work more than usual to get his points. And maybe, just maybe, he can be harassed into a poor shooting night.

    But with a guy who is a defensive liability, like John Stockton or Allen Iverson (my favorite player btw), the opposing team says: “There…let’s attack THAT guy. HE’S the guy we can exploit.”
    Jason Kidd has never been that guy. John Stockton has ALWAYS been that guy.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Gary Payton did not ABUSE Jason Kidd on the defensive end. He did not have his way with him. Kidd could guard him. I’m not saying he nullified him, but he could guard him. Stockton escorted him to the rim.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    And by the way…how did Reggie Miller “expose Michael Jordan’s D”? Is Reggie Miller a great one-on-one player? You chose a bad example to illustrate a point you’re failing to make, because Reggie Miller is basically a spot-up shooter. He never took MJ off the dribble. He never posted MJ up. All he did was hit jumpers. And when he hit them, most of the time he was either open or he was running through screens. So your MJ/Reggie example really doesn’t carry any weight.

  • matt

    jason kidd is all time 9th in 3 pointers made with a 34%…

  • tavoris

    @Tariq…Big O was as much a PG as Jerry West was. And neither controlled the whole court like Kidd or Magic.

  • tavoris

    Plus, I’m sure Big O isn’t concerned with the “best pg ever” discussion since he’s easily on the short list of the “best player ever” discussion.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    jason kidd is top 10 ALL TIME in 3 ptrs made, eff ason. most underrated player of this era, he is one of best ever

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq


  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Oscar Robertson wasn’t a point guard?!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Big O didn’t “control the court”? Do you know how many times he led the league in assists?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    See, this is my problem with this site sometimes. People get too emotional. Kidd is indeed one of the best ever. If you doubt that, you don’t know too much about basketball. But his status as an all-time great has NEVER been based on his shooting ability. It’s been in SPITE of his poor shooting. You want to talk numbers? Consider this: Jason Kidd is not a Kobe or Iverson type, meaning he’s never been a scorer who’s asked to create his own shot. He creates for others. I point this out because people like Kobe and Iverson may have poor shooting percentages because they are volume shooters. And yet, despite this, they BOTH have better percentages than Jason Kidd, who, for his career is at %40.2 shooting from the floor. That’s why he’s called Ason. I mean, to be honest, I don’t watch a LOT of games, but do some of y’all watch ANY games?

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    @tariq tavoris is right, Oscar was a comboguard. oh and controlling the court isnt just relative to assists. this aint no disrespect to O because he’s up there as best ever contender and the truest triple threat ever, but he was lookin for his own more often than not, in terms of shots and rebounds, you cant control the court when your focusin on your own game, and no-one in their right mind would deny O was anything other than an exceptional playmaker but its not the same thing as having complete control over the court as a floor general.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Yeah, Oscar could play the two. I’ll give you that much. I can’t make enough sense out of the rest of your (and tavoris’s) argument to respond. You say he was a great playmaker, but at the same time, you say he wasn’t a great floor general. You’re contradicting yourself. Oscar Robertson was a walking triple-double who controlled every facet of the game. And, by the way, he would average double-digit assists in an era when, if you found an open man with a pass, and your teammate took a single dribble before putting the ball before putting the ball in the basket, you wouldn’t be credited with an assist. Do you fathom that? That Oscar Robertson averaged a triple-double in those circumstances? He had to pass it to a guy, and the guy had to IMMEDIATELY SCORE, WITHOUT TAKING A SINGLE DRIBBLE. With John Stockton, he would run the pick and roll, he’d pass it to Karl Malone, Malone would take A COUPLE OF DRIBBLES, and then score, and Stock would still be credited an assist.

    In other words, if the same criteria were applied to both players, Oscar Robertson would have, BY FAR, the most assists ever. To imply that Oscar Robertson was not an exemplary floor general is simple ignorance.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Dude Tariq, it was just an example. Saying a great player exposed another person’s defense is ridiculous, because that player is going to score regardless. Brandon Roy dropped 40 on Ron Artest–was that exposing Ron Artest’s defense, or was it just a great offensive player doing what he does to everyone?
    Also, Reggie Miller took Jordan by running him off of screens. That still “exposes” someone’s defense according to you, doesn’t it? If a player can free himself from his man, that’s still dominating the defender.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq

    Brandon Roy will not drop 40 on Ron Artest on the regular.
    Are you saying that it makes no difference who guards a dominant offensive player? So let’s say you’re coaching the Rockets, and your team is playing against Dwyane Wade, you say “Oh, well he’s Dwyane Wade…he abuses everyone. I’ll just let whoever guard Wade. Makes no difference. Or do you have your BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER guard Wade? You’re going to say “No, Tariq, of COURSE I have Shane Battier guard Wade because he’s my best player.”
    I’m not saying Stockton is a defensive liability because he failed to lock up Gary Payton and Kevin Johnson. I’m not saying that. I’m saying he was the WEAK POINT defensively in the Utah Jazz. So other teams EXPLOITED him. In other words, when the Sonics played the Jazz, the offensive side of Payton’s brain would be thinking: “Yippee, I get to play against John Stockton! I get to do WHATEVER I WANT! I can score AT WILL!”
    Of course, on the flip side, when Payton had to guard Stockton, it was a different story. Stockton couldn’t DO WHATEVER HE WANTED. For example, he couldn’t post Payton up. And when he tried to use his speed to take GP off the dribble, he was successful at times, but Payton could guard him. In other words, in the Utah locker room, Jerry Sloan NEVER said: “OK Stock, we want you to take advantage of Payton.” But in the Seattle locker room, George Karl ALWAYS said: “OK Gary, we need to get you the ball as much as possible to take advantage of John.”

    And it wasn’t just with elite point guards. It was with ANY point guard who could score. Because John Stockton COULD NOT DEFEND. Look at when they played the Houston Rockets with Kenny Smith and Sam Cassell for example. Same thing.

  • tavoris

    Tariq, being a good playmaker does not make you a point guard. Alot of GREAT playmakers controlled the game from their position. Lebron, Wade, Pippen, Bird, West, Robertson. None of those players were/are point guards, yet all controlled their team.

    When Oscar Robertson had the ball, he was the biggest scoring threat-without question. When Kidd and Magic have the ball, EVERYBODY is a scoring threat. That is my point.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tariq owned this thread. I agree with all of his comments. Some of y’all are way off base about Oscar Robertson. Not a floor general? Leave the crack alone NOW!