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Wednesday, November 11th, 2009 at 9:01 am  |  129 responses

Post Up: It’s Dwyane’s World

The Wiz were just living in it.

by Holly MacKenzie/@stackmack

That wild, crazy and zany Bulls/Nuggets game? The one where Derrick Rose had ice veins, knocking down free throws to tie before Chauncey Billups won the game for the Nuggets after Brad Miller hit a game-winning shot with 0.3 seconds remaining only to have the shot reviewed and called off after the Bulls celebration at midcourt? Yeah, I didn’t see a glimpse of it because I was liveblogging the Rockets/Mavericks game that didn’t end up being quite so exciting.

Of course the Bulls would lose a heartbreaker like that at home so that they would be coming in to Toronto today to face the Raptors. Fully expect them to come out wanting blood tonight. I’ve got myself a long day lined up in front of me. Whoooo.

The Mavs game I liveblogged? The Rockets came out on fire, scoring 61 points in the first half and leading by as many as 17 before they all but died in the third quarter managing just 13 points as the Mavericks doubled them in the period and ran away with the lead in the fourth. It was a total tale of two halves as Dallas figured out how to slow the game down, rob the Rockets of their running game and dominate things the rest of the way through. Erick Dampier had 14 points and 20 rebounds to go with three blocked shots. Dirk finished with 23 and Jason Terry had 24 off of the bench (fantasy team hive-five!). Carl Landry played his undersized body and oversized heart out, batting for his 19 points in the loss.

In the Heat/Wizards matchup there was a whole lot going on. Gilbert wasn’t supposed to play, then he was, the Wiz led at the half and then Gil finished with 21 points, eight assists and 12 turnovers, grabbing himself the double-double you don’t want. The Wiz lost 90-76, gave up 41 points to Dwyane (I didn’t get to see any of them, tell me, how pretty were they?), and continued to confuse me with their rotation. Why oh why did Caron log 45 minutes of action? 42 for Gil? Still no time for JaVale McGee and less than three minutes for Nick Young. Unfortunately, the Wiz also lost Randy Foye to an ankle sprain.

I think I speak for us all when I say: GET HEALTHY WASHINGTON!

It was an odd game on the Heat side of things. After the strong start, QRich went scoreless for the game, Wade had 41 and Michael Beasley added 15. Jermaine O’Neal had just six points and six boards and after starting the season out with a bunch of double-double performances, Udonis Haslem was also quiet, finishing with four points to go with seven rebounds. Still, the Heat won, thanks to Dwyane Wade’s 29 second half points, which was two more than the entire Washington team’s 27.

With the win the Heat are now 6-1. Not bad, not bad at all. Good for second place in the East, behind Boston’s 7-1 record.

Did you all see Travis Outlaw’s dunk over Rudy Gay? It was a pretty one. The crazy thing is, think about how hyped up we get watching these dunks. imagine being able to do them. Imagine the rush you must get, jump, jump, jumping into the air, OVER your defender and then slamming the ball through the hoop. Crazy.

Speaking of the Portland game…. Hasheem Thabeet has a fractured jaw after a collision with Zach Randolph. Damn. Get well soon, rook!

Anyone else’s heart feel for Kevin Durant when he missed the game-tying three and lifted his jersey up to cover his sad face after the buzzer sounded in Sacramento? He finished with 37 points, 9-for-23 from the floor, inlcuding 1-for-6 from three and 18-for-18 from the line, but he also finished with the loss. Another W for the Kings who improved to 4-4 on the season. .500 mark for the first time since Dec/06!

Okay, I must get myself moving here. I hope to be enjoying a well-fought contest between the Bulls and Raptors this evening. Wherever your day and evening takes you, enjoy it!

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  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Nick Young needs to stay on the bench. Andre Blatche needs to realize he’s not a 2 guard. Brendan Haywood needs to stop mean mugging every time he draws a foul and Flip needs to get a legit point guard to run his team. Gil in NOT that guy. Neither is……well, there’s no one else really. As for the Heat, they play well together, they play good D (with the Suns game as the exception)and Dwyane is still unstoppable going to the lane. They’re a legit problem for every team in the East. I’d have never thought I’d say I’m pretty comfortable when Arroyo comes in to give Chalmers a break. As long as they keep sharing the ball, they’re going to be much better than expected.

  • http://www.outsidethenba.com Outside The NBA

    It KILLED ME to see Durant miss that last shot… The look on his face, then him covering it with his jersey. Ugh.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh….and all that being said…..we’ll see where they really stand tomorrow after their game with the Cavs.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    The heat are a really good second tier team and with wade they have the ability to knock off some of the big dogs I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see them take out the cavs.

  • Bruno

    between the cavs and the heat right now, I think Miami is playing better basketball

  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    @Eboy, it’s not like the Cavs have any sense of where they stand yet. LA or Boston would be a better measuring stick.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    I like Nick Young’s game, Eboy. I think he’s still raw and hasn’t quite found that rhythm, but I still think he could be a player in this league. It killed me to see Foye go down last night. Another guard injured for the Wizards? My goodness…

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan2.0

    cosign Holly: Nick Young has some of the most raw talent out there… if he gets consistent minutes it shud b over.
    And about that Nuggets game… I love kmart and the toughness he brings to the team, but sometimes i wonder… leavin anyone wide open for the game winner… not a smart idea

  • MooButter

    Miami will benefit from getting the Cavs on the second night of a back to back with Cleveland giving Orlando their best shot for revenge.

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  • http://www.mynameinblue.blogspot.com Hisham

    i wonder if Kevin Martin is having mixed feelings right now. He’s the star of that team, but as soon as he goes down, BOOM! 3 game win streak. It’s like the Rockets advancing to the second round with T-Mac out. I wonder how that stuff makes a star player feel.

  • http://www.digitalthread.com AlbertBarr

    All I know is that people need to stop talking about how atrocious the Kings are…I think they have had some quality wins and although they wont make the playoffs or anything, I think they are going to have an alright year. And as for Kevin Martin being out…I am sure that he is stoked to watch the young studs get some wins…add his 30 ppg to the mix and you have a team that will upset some good teams.

  • Jake

    Dunking in someone’s grill is the best feeling I’ve ever had.It’s like a drug:).

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Dan-ge-rous, the Mavs are so dan-ge-rous! Down 17, win by 18? That’s just rubbing it in right there. Potent offense now that they post up Matrix (dare i say the 1st team in years to call plays out for Shawn?), Kidd is dishing in double digits & is well protected against penetrating speedy PG’s, and Josh gives them added versatility. But Erick(a) needs to stop teasing me like this. That performance last night was vintage Warriors Damp in a contract year kind.., just inspired. I’m not expecting many more such stat lines from him… But lord, would i be full of glee if Damp finally realized his potential. I won’t even start on Dirk (too obvious, Mvp level play), the bench (scrappy, hungry) and Rick’s steady hand at the helm. To be honest, i wish Tim Thomas would stay on injury reserve for a while…

  • http://www.digitalthread.com AlbertBarr

    Oh…and Brad Miller and the Bulls were robbed. That ball could have easily been barely NOT touching his fingertip…that video review is kinda whack.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Gotta add that i think Flash is actually faster than ever end to end… A few steals last night he was way out of position, and BAM… Steal and breakaway. I am in awe when he tippy toes around while at full speed, evades a backpedalling defender, then finishes in style. Wade is amazing.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Russ was so angry on Twitter after Bulls/Nuggs, it was amusing to the nth degree. At some point, he mighta wished death on certain individuals who run around blowing whistles for a living…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Dark…..how’d you like another Mavs/Heat Finals??? Maybe on NBA Live or something!!!

  • Sporting-Lisbon-Blazers

    I wonder about that to Hisham…TRAV´S DUNK WAS JUST VICIOUS!!on a guy who is used to be on the other side of things, Rudy Gay even shaked his head after, like he was disy…Outlaw was 1 for 9 having one of his horse game nights but the one field goal he made was absolutly worth it!! BANG

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    You read my mind whitehot…. actually suggested that (Finals rematch) to Wade after he tweeted about last nights game…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Is the Duran bandwagon still overflowing?
    I like their rook though.

  • cramzy

    So I guess it’s evident that Tyreke Evans is a 2…DWADE!!!!!!!! Can’t wait for Cavs/Heat!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I thought the rule was that if you have .3 on the clock or less you don’t have time for a catch and shoot? That you had to go for the lob or something. Isnt’ there a rule like that? Is it less that .3?
    The refs made the right call overturning that shot. But, video replay is kind of wack in basketball.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    AllenP is right… i remember reading years ago after Fisher’s .4 dagger against the spurs that clock has to be reset to 0.4 for the shot to count. Has this been changed.

  • Hoodsnake

    I wanna have a closer look at Wade’s kicks.Kinda looks like…aw forget it

  • Diesel

    The main thing for the bulls game is that the refs called the shot good when it happened. They showed 20 replays of the shot and you couldn’t make a decision either way…so if it inconclusive you don’t overturn the call on the floor. Replay took away a genuine moment in basketball…now you have to wait 20 min to celebrate a win. Kills the whole environment.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Reke is going to average around 20, 5, and 5 since martin is out. I expect nothing but nasty things from the rook. play wit it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I read the rules. If you .3, techinically you can get a shot off. From the rulebook:
    “The game clock must show :00.3 or
    more in order for a player to secure
    possession of the ball on a rebound or
    throw-in to attempt a field goal. Instant
    replay shall be utilized if the basket is
    successful on this type of play and the
    clock runs to 0:00″

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    The Heat is on.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    “flash! aa-aah!
    he’s a miracle
    flash!
    king of the impossible”… lyrics by queen, performances by dwyane

  • Orlando Woolridge

    So, with all the Durant slurping going around these parts, I’m still struggling to see how he is considered the first or second best offensive talent in the L at this point. I know he’s a good player and all, but man, can we all chill on that stuff until he stops chucking 23 shots and losing?

  • Orlando Woolridge

    Did anyone else feel that Del Negro’s time out right after Kirk stole the ball in the last minute killed all the momentum they had going? They were in the midst of a great comeback, the crowd was going bananas, they get the steal and then BOOM…time out. As disappointed as I was, the refs made the right call at the end. That doesn’t make up for the 100 questionable calls they made before that though.

  • http://dsfjkl.com Jukai

    I have been thoroughly unimpressed with Durant. People said he’d be averaging 30 by now (you know who you are) but they didn’t add he’d have to do it on sub 40% shooting.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    18-18 from the free throw line is impressive enough. It’s early. His percentages will improve.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m going to give Durant some more time, but it makes sense to start asking questions and ridiculing those people who thought he was a better scorer right now than Melo and Bron.
    ridicule away.

  • larry brown

    eboy you really need to step of nick young he is a great player and nick will land on a team that he fit well with nick want to be trade now but the wizards keep hanging on to him they are not playing him so let nick young go and I hope to a team in cali

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I don’t care what his percentages say and any of you who dare say his percentages make him subpar as a shooter or scorer need to ask yourself how many years deron williams has shot 32% from three but was still a “much better shooter’ than chris paul.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Everyone only throws out stats when it works for whatever arguement there making, if I’m building a team and I want a young guy (bye bye kobe) to get me bucket upon bucket I’m going kevin durant I don’t care who is available. If I want someone to do everything I’m going lebron , but from a scoring standpoint give me durant 8 days a week and stat nerds can suck it.

  • Orlando Woolridge

    @Bryan…huh?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    No Magic-Bobcats remarks/thoughts? Do we not even exsist to you anymore Holly?

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    based on what i saw last night, the Bobcats might be 4th in the division again this year! I am excited.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    I hope everyone did they’re moment of silence for our soldiers today!!!

  • Orlando Woolridge

    I understand stats aren’t everything, but they are an indicator of how a player is performing. If a player has a horrible shooting percentage (and isn’t winning games on top of it), I don’t see how you can say he is the greatest scorer. He might be your favorite player, but thats a different story. Perhaps he should trust in his teammates more often if he wants to start winning more games.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    James: i thought you were in Canada?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    I am in Canada. It’s Remembrance Day here. I just got off parade and took my uniform off!! Beautiful day here too.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I still can’t get over BET writing in complete sentences and not having otherwordly grammar.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    just wanted to show out my music choic for the week for all the hip hop heads. go cop that wale album, “attention deficit”. straight fire. play wit it.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    If the Bobcats win their next 3 games, people will be here next week talking about how they could surprise the Cavs in a first round match up. The Cavs never lose to bad teams in the playoffs, ever. When LeBron goes on video-game mode, it takes a good team like the Celts, Magic, Spurs or Pistons back in the day to take his team out. / Good call by the ref. Russ is a fan, not a journalist when we’re talking about the Bulls. / KD: just walk away after the game, the whole gettting down on yourself thing is not a good look. Superstars don’t do that.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    oh yeah gerald wallace needs to get it together, BET. he is killing my fantasy team and letting raymond get all the shine. play wit it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Kevin Durant is not a superstar. A star, sure….but he ain’t no superstar.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Bryan: I actually don’t care what you’re gonna call me but you make no f-cking sense. If you’re gonna disregard every argument than why even bother? Just say that you prefer KD to Bron and let’s call it a day. Bron is better at everything than KD, scoring included. There is no basis to say that KD is a better scorer, none. Especially not in crunch time. Everything he is doing, Lebron has already did and then some. KD should have been at 27 a game last year. He should finish at 31+ this year. And that’s just to keep pace with Bron. We’re not even going to talk about the other facets of the game, just scoring.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Yeah KD was just in the moment, Z. I don’t blame him but you got to get over your losses and look foward to the next game. Prime example is CP3.after every ass whooping they take he is always on twitter cracking jokes with fans and just saying how they need to work harder to win the next game. Honestly, I think the guy knows they are crap and he is starting to not care that much. play wit it.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    KD can score and……yeah he’s a good scorer. play wit it.

  • Tommy Patron

    @ Z: Which was a good call by the ref? When it was called good during gameplay or when they used an inconclusive replay to change their original call? Also, the clock operator @ the UC is a buster.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    If someone claimed they would take KD over Lebron to start their team off….they’d have to be the stupidest person in the world or Donald Sterling. Or Ernie Grunfeld.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Does anyone remember the debate about whether the Magic should take Dwight or Emeka with the #1 pick? Yeah…….

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Emeka was a bad boy back then though I can’t lie. I didn’t really care who got picked between the two of them back then because I was still a youngin but I think the magic did alright with their choice. play wit it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    They got Dwight and Jameer in that draft. Pretty f*cking solid draft right there. Emeka looks old and slow.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Z the Bobcats wont play the Cavs until the SECOND round, the Bobcats will be 8th and i am guessing Cleveland will be like 3rd or 4th. Once we sweep Boston (did i just say that?Ha!) we will handle the lightwork aka your disfunctional team.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    TAD, Dwight could have been Kwame though. There’s only so much to take away from guys dunking on 6-4 centers in high school and shattering the rims in private work outs… / Ive just read on TrueHoop that Dallas don’t want to play Dampier too much because past a certain amount of PT, his option for next year automatically kicks in. Awkward, since he’s been their best center.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Eboy- i cant figure it out either. I guess AP English was a useful class to take after all.

    DP- Gerald will get going, he is just in a little bit of a slump. Larry Brown is going crazy right now and Gerald is playing bad. It will go away soon enough.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I liked the less subdued BET a whole lot better.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    The King’s court this year include an ex cop/adulter, a shooting guard that is too small to be a shooting guard, the biggest bust to come out of NCSU in the past few years(more so then Cedric Simmons), a old guy that should have stayed in Israel, a Moon pie, a sideshow bob looking mo-fo, and a soon to be convicted certified wacko. Hell yes they are winning it all.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    I liked the Eboy that would shut the fu(k up and just bow down to his pharaoh a whole lot better. Where the hell did that guy go?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Better, but not quite the same. I died the day AI became a Grizzly, btw….this is just an avatar writing on my deceased behalf.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Eboy I’d take lebron with a number one pick in a dispersal draft, wade 2 and durant 3. But, if I think kd is a better scorer than bron regardless of numbers right now. I might be wrong but I can live with it. My point in my last post was that everyone points to the numbers when saying bron is abetter scorer than so and so , but then the same f*cking people ignore the stats when it comes to chris paul being as good a shooter as deron williams and then its all “damn the percentages” but when I say the same thing about kd and lebron its all “bryan you’re a f*cking idiot” wellll I don’t care if I’m an idiot if we had to guess who would score 75 in a game I’d pick kd over bron. Its like the numbers don’t matter with lebron he’s a “superb rebounder” meanwhile he’s never averaged 8 in a season. Scottie pippen averaged almost 9 in a season twice and 3 steals and had like 120 blocks and he wasn’t nearly the specimen lebron is. It just doesn’t make any sense. So I can be an idiot I don’t really care its not going to change my mind. Bron is the 1 or 1a in the nba right now but I still like durants ability to score better than his. If you want someone to get points would you want someone who’s inclination is to score or someone who’s inclination is to pass?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I can’t believe that back in 07 i tried to emulate my shot like Reke’s. maybe thats why shooting percentage is kind of sh3tty this early into my bball season. play wit it.

  • riggs

    i love the fact the picture on the front page of dwyane, neither foot is touching the floor and it looks like he’s running in the air.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’d like someone who has shown that he can take over an offense and destroy defenses (great ones at that) in huge moments. I don’t know if that praying mantis looking cat can do something like that. To be fair too….I’d take Lebron, Wade and Kobe as scoring options over KD anyday and to be honest….Dirk would get that look too before him so let’s not kid ourselves….he’s good at putting the ball in the hole but as evidenced by the Lakers game last week…..in a pressure packed moment against upper eschelon defensive talent dude was a knotted ball in the moment. Until he can show out otherwise, his numbers are hollow.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I can respect your opinion and disagree. I can see why people would take lebron or wade or kobe , I left kobe off my draft list because of his age, and the age factor is the main reason I’m so high on durant its not like lebron and wade are old or anything but I just don’t see a ceiling for how good a scorer durant can be. And he’s gonna end up getting 8 boards and 4 assists a game also. Numbers not very far off from the king.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yeah…but Shia, what do those numbers mean….that no one else on the squad is able to create offense like he can or that he has to shoot below 40% to get them? That’s a pretty horrible percentage for an elite wing player.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    In a debatable argument, you always take the have’s over the have not’s. While KD is a great scorer with a smooth stroke, you can’t take him over players like Bron, KB, Wade, or even Melo or Dirk when considering who would score for you in a clutch moment or get you over the top. Just rewind to last week against the Lakers where Durant shot airballs in the 4th quarter and OT. KD will get there, but i’ll take the others who have “been” there.

  • Dagomar

    Great, great passage:

    “The crazy thing is, think about how hyped up we get watching these dunks. imagine being able to do them. Imagine the rush you must get, jump, jump, jumping into the air, OVER your defender and then slamming the ball through the hoop. Crazy.”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    I didn’t see that many people bring up KD’s shooting percentages.
    I was skeptical about the kid since forever, particulary putting him in the top 10 in the League when his team doesn’t win and he doesn’t just flat out dominate games. I said back then that dude has some chucker tendencies, and I stick by that. He needs to learn how to pick his spots and which shots to take.
    Durant oesn’t actually have to score 30 for that team to be great. 23-25 is fine if it means more touches for Green and Westbrook. That team has good talent right now. Green, Westbrook, Thabo, Weaver, Collison, Etan Thomas, those are solid players. Durant needs to step up and make it happen. Now.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    The 40% is an aberration in my book. Just like everyone said deron williams shooting 31.6 percent from three doesn’t make him a bad shooter. I don’t know that he’s gonna be a 48 43 and 89 guy but I think he’s gonna be a 46 and 39 guy. And he’s shown that he can do it, he’s just cold shooting right now.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    If i had to draft a player to build my team around for TODAY it would be Lebron. If i had to draft a player to build my team around for the next 5 years it will be Durant. Lebron has shown he is a jack of all trades, and can get better overall but will never specialize in one thing. Durant is already showing signs of being a great scorer, and has room to become really really good in every other category. In 5 years, i expect Lebron will be averaging a tripple double and Durant will be leading the league in scoring (by like a 3-4 point margin over Wade) and top 5 in everything else.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And don’t get me wrong….dude can fill it up and has potential to get better but do you really think the guys going to score 30 pts a game for the next 5 or 6 seasons? Seriously? He might get 26-27 a game…and that’s really good production, but that 30 number is HARD to do consistently.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And I forgot Melo….who is a better, more efficient scoring option. Now the list is at 6 of guys more solid at scoring….dare say it someone like Pau is a better option too? What if he had 30 shots a game?

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Miami may be good for a 4 seed in the East, but I can’t really see them advancing past the 2nd round.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    You should have stopped while you were ahead, E.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Betcats said exactly what I’ve been trying to say, thank you.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    No love for Pau, TAD?…..you’re about to be flamed by team Laker.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    your welcome for saying it and blessing you all with greatness at the same time. I am going to go play some Modern Warfare 2! HAHAHAHA thats right i got Modern Warfare 2.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    But before i go: SHOOTING % MEANS NOTHING. Iverson led the league in scoring several years on very very low FG %. Volume shooters can still put work in, you just need good rebounders/defenders/playmakers to set them up

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    There is an assumption that doing a little bit of everything actually hinders your scoring opportunities. It does not. Bron takes about the same number of shots a game as the other stars. KD has to be called a scorer because thats the only thing he can do out there. That’s the reason you can’t pigeon-hole D-Wade and Bron as merely scorers, they affect the game in every way. We’re running in circles here but there is still no convincing argument as to why KD would lead the league in scoring by 3-4 points! THERE IS NOTHING KD IS DOING SCORING-WISE SO FAR THAT HASN’T BEEN DONE BETTER BY BRON AT THE SAME AGE. NADA. Let’s see if he’ll even crack 30 a game this year, first and then we’ll talk. In 5 years, Bron will be 29 and at his absolute APEX. Seriously, KD has no business in any discussion that concerns Wade, Bron or Kobe. None.

  • Tommy Patron

    Now I hear the Head of NBA officials says the “conclusive” angle on the Brad Miller shot was the overhead view. That is ridiculous, as it would be impossible to determine if fingertips were on ball. You could only conclusively say that his fingertips were near the ball.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    That’s fine z I predict you’ll be eating your words 1.5 years from now max.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    bryan don’t be silly. in 1.5 years Kevin Durant will still barely weigh 200lbs, and won’t be able to guard any player with physical strength. Kevin Durant will only improve his scoring ability until his “man-body” starts to develop

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Maybe this is Kevin Durant’s “man body.”
    Reggie Miller never got big. KG, Pippen, these cats have remained thin late in life.
    Durant may stay this size forever with possibly a slight increase.
    Like Z said, I like that Durant can score in a variety of ways. But, what is his main weapon? What is his unstoppable skill as a scorer that nobody can really defend. Dude’s size makes him a tough guard, but I’ve yet to watch a Thunder game (and I’ve watched a few) and said “Man, they just can’t stop Durant from doing X.)
    With Bron and Wade it’s getting to the lane, with Kobe it’s the jumper. Even Melo and Dirk are borderline unguardable at certain things. I haven’t seen that yet from Durant, which puts him below the absolute best in the league as far as scoring. Not that he can’t or wont’ get there, but I think his biggest development isn’t putting on strength, it’s understanding how and where to get is buckets.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kevin Garnett has gained over 30LB’s since he entered the League, and Miller and Pippen were traditional wings, they weren’t 6’10. If Durant wants an “unstoppable skill” it will be the ability to handle the ball like a guard against bigger defenders, while still overwhelming smaller guys. He can’t overwhelm anybody, not even Austin Daye with his current bulk

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Allenp my contention is that X is everything , they can’t stop kd from scoring anyway he wants to like a young tmac. He doesn’t have one thing that stands out because he’s an outstanding scorer in every way. The only thing that stops him is himself. Save lebron I don’t think there is a guy in the league than can stop him from getting buckets. Maybe josh smith has the speed/power package that lebron does and can muscle him and stay in front of him. Maybe.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    I guess that’s why I like him so much. He’s like a young tmac with better range and more fire. The sky is the limit.

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan2.0

    Bryan ur a f*cking idiot!! All u Durantula groupies need to stop putting him up with the elite players in the game. There is no way he can be top 5, heck, even top 10 in the league. He’s won less than 50 games in his career!!! shootd horrible percentages too. Maybe in a few yrs he’ll be there, but definetely not now

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    meloman – you look like an idiot. read what they said,…… “maybe in a few years” which is what you said is no different then them saying “in 5 years.” But he plays nothing like tracy mcgrady in Orlando. Well they both shot a lot, but McGrady used his athletic ability to score. Durant uses his jumpshot to create offense. McGrady was a much better passer then durant and also played a little bit of defense. Other then the fact that they are tall, and can handle the ball (dribbling) Nothing about their games is similar

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Luckily I don’t mind being called an idiot by somebody who has melo’s d*ck in their throat so deep that they named themselves after him on a website. So before you start calling people groupies maybe you need to look in the mirror at the giddy for melo schoolgirl you’ve become.

  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    Is League Pass pissing anyone else off? All the good games (including tonight’s Cavs/Magic) are blacked out. It’s pretty damn rudy gay.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    The relative in which they scored nbk. The smoothness. I’m not talking similar in defense or passing in abilty to score and make it look effortless. And aside from tmacs ability to explode vertically I don’t see much difference at all.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    the cavs magic game is on national television. which is why its blacked out

  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    “James the balla Posted: Nov.11 at 1:34 pm
    I am in Canada. It’s Remembrance Day here. I just got off parade and took my uniform off!!”
    I thought you only comment here nude when Kobe plays?

  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    I don’t got ESPN and no other channel is hosting it. FML.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Shia is on a rampage today.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    So you think they are similar because they both don’t look like they try? Because like I said, Durant uses his Jumpshot, (defenders play tighter on durant then they every have on mcgrady), but McGrady created offense with his athletic ability (ala-Kobe, he took a players weakness and exploited it) The most fundamental way in which each guy create’s or created (in mcgrady’s case) offense is different. which is why i see no similarity – other then the obvious, tall, skinny & athletic

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    TMac’s handle was better, his passing was WAY better, hell, McGrady was just a better scorer since he took a wack Magic team to the playoffs several times and averaged 30+ per game as soon as he hit Orlando. And, when McGrady wanted to, he could play defense with the best in the league. The problem was he rarely wanted to play d like that.
    NBK
    Garnett is still thin despite the 30 pounds. What I’ve noticed is that very few players get substantially larger. They might put on a little weight, but nobody turns into the Hulk.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no i didn’t mean like that allen. i meant he needs something so that if Shaq farted he wouldn’t get blown away. He needs some core strength or something. If he gets matched up with Thabo Sefalosha (wtf spell check)he should in theory be able to back him down. I didn’t mean he needs to become a world heavyweight champ or anything. But he needs some strength, especially if he wants to become more then a one dimensional scorer

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Not 1 dimensional, but complete… you get what i mean?

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Exactly nbk. Seriously no sarcasm exactly what I was trying to say the way they can put 30 on someone and look like they were just bullsh*tting out there.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Allenp that’s why I said I’m not talking about passing and defense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ok Bryan that makes sense then. I thought you meant similar in terms of how they scored. but yeah they both look like they aren’t trying, although i doubt Durant takes naps at halftime like mcgrady does. (which i feel is the weirdest thing anyone in basketball does)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Durant needs to talk to the Pistons Strength and Conditioning coach and do the same workout he had Tayshaun Prince do. He realized that Prince was always going to be skinny because that was his structure, so he had Tay work mostly on core training, stretching, and plyometrics. Prince ended up playing almost 500 straight games before he got sidelined with his ruptured disc in his back. Durant will always have a skinny frame, but if he did core work and stregthened his legs he could be much better.

  • http://dsfjkl.com Jukai

    What makes me soooooo happy here is that people are finally acknowledging Dirk as a CLUTCH force.
    After I was convincing people this for two and a half years.
    They finally realize it.
    I’m doing a slight jig right now.

  • http://dsfjkl.com Jukai

    Two things in fairness to Bryan:
    I have never thought Deron was a better three point shooter than Chris Paul because of percentages. Deron’s got a better midrange but I see them hit the same damn shots from outside. People overrate Deron’s outside shooting skills. So yeah, I am a stat guy.
    Also, I think me and a LOT of people agreed with you that Durant would go insane on the offensive end this year. I mean, 45/40 percent shootings droppin’ 25 his sophomore year, he was easily gonna hit 30-33 this year with no big improvements to his team.
    And he just hasn’t.
    I’m not sure what he worked on over the summer, he looks like he worked a lot on getting into position and boxing out for rebounds, but that’s the only vast improvement I see for Durant. I don’t even notice a great leap in defensive abilities. His shot looks the same, if not more hesitant.
    So while Durant may be able to score in a more variety of ways than Melo, Dirk, Lebron and Wade, I’m still going to take them if I need buckets because they can get buckets.
    Kobe is the obvious choice here though.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Like TAD says, being skinny is not the problem. Being weak is. Rip is not even 200 lbs but he’s wiry strong. You can’t dislodge him easily from his stance. Same with Tay. Reggie Miller was cutting in the paint and getting bumped all the time but he could take it. I see too many defenders overcrowding KD with him bending backward. That needs to be addressed. Especially at the end of games. In the LA game, Ron Artest was a good 2-3 feet away from him with both feet planted at the 3-point line and he couldn’t think of anything else than throwing a loooong 3.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    “He’s wiry strong…..”
    Anyone else think of that movie ‘The Replacements’?

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Jukai: also in fairness we’re 8 games in. If durant shoots under 35% from three ill be more than shocked. Same with the regular fg% under 45% and ill be surprised. Right around december I expect we’ll be getting a full idea of durant and what he can do. And by the end of the year the thunder will be improved and durant will be putting up 28 and 7.5 which is what my prediction was to start the year. I think 30-33 and 7 -9 rebounds is about where he tops out over the next 3 years.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Unless of course he gets hurt or his coach holds him back or jeff green and westbrook blossom into 20ppg guys. Which brings me to why stats are so decieving, If for arguments sake durant puts up 35 a game next season but the following season he steps off because westbrook got his J wet over the summer and he drops to 28 is he still not gonna be the best scorer in the league because his average went down?

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Like kobe. I still think kobe is tops as a scorer in the league he averages less than everyone last year because of circumstance he had a better supporting cast etc , but this year with his main guy out he’s back to leading the league… did he stop being the best scorer in the league and then all of sudden become it again? Is that how it works? Durant is behind kobe, wade and melo as a scorer right now and that’s it and his percentages and ppg may not show it but that’s how I feel about the guy.I said earlier I’d pick durant for scoring over everyone else because that’s where I see him ending up the best scorer in the L. Lebron will be the best all around player for the next ten years and he’s the consensus number one pick in an nba dispersal draft but due to age injuries and ceiling to others I pick durant number 2.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    So Shia, no love for Melo’s offensive game?

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    Tad, I listed melo above durant for right now. In the long run however I think durant is going to be better.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnew Bryan

    But yeah I do love how complete melo is offensively I just wish he could get 8 to 9 boards a game.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ah ok, I got you now. Melo definitely should improve his board game, but around 8 sounds about right.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Amen to the Dirk recognition, Juks…. A to the effing men.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    360vue singing the Flash Gordon song @ 12:12 pm made my day.

  • http://dsfjkl.com Jukai

    Bryan: The issue is, Green and Westbrook AREN’T 20ppg scorers. They really aren’t. So the team DOES need Durant to shoot up 30. And he isn’t.
    -yet-
    So, we’ll see.
    Tad: I hope you weren’t one of the dudes saying Lebron should focus less on rebounding and now you’re saying Melo should rebound more…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Come one jukai be realistic, don’t infer tad was one of those people

  • Atrain

    BRANDON “THE SHOW” JENNINGS CONTINUES TO BEAST

    TELL YOUR FRIENDS

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    your on the first site that pushed brandon jennings name. all the people here are aware

  • http://dsfjkl.com Jukai

    I gotta admit when I was wrong: Jennings is way better than I thought, and those “Jennings is better than Rubio” rants may have a tinge of truth to them

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rubio could still be better…..definately won’t be his first year he has never played the American Game but I wouldn’t judge Jennings success in the NBA against someone still in Europe

  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    I question Rubio’s mental toughness since some cold weather got his panties in a bunch.

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